Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Hi Val, Nice try. Deliberating misquoting someone, then asking for an apology is the oldest trick in the book. Then going on to say " Be a man...etc " just makes it laughable. You can see I DIDN'T say people in your country are idiots...I clearly phrased it in the form of a question (didn't you see the " ??? " after the sentence????) to Gracia regarding her longing for universal health care. If you have been following her posts and other posters replies Gracia regularly wishes the USA to have a " perfect " system much like what you and the Canadians have. Gracia thinks our " guvment " (her term) wants each and every one of us healthy and has our best interests in mind. Gracia has said that people need to " demand " good care from their universal care systems. I pointed out that many in England and Canada in desperate situations actually leave the country and seek treatment here in the states and that I have seen in articles (I pasted it) that there was more than a 800,000 backlog of people waiting for surgery and that many die waiting for their operations. Is that true or is the website wrong??? My question to Gracia " Are they idiots??? Don't they demand " quality health care " ??? " meant that of course they would demand quality health care, if their individual voices could or would be heard, but I believe they are STUCK with the system now that it has been created, stuck with these " lotteries " , stuck with TSH worshipers like the head of the BTA (I had one of them in my country too), stuck with going out of the country to get help when feeling absolutely desperate. To unwind such a monster is pretty much impossible once it is created...a runaway train so to speak. I don't want that in the USA, we already have those systems with the motor vehicles dept and the Internal Revenue Dept. Poster " Roni " in this group yesterday had this post " My uncle is currently waiting for a life saving heart operation, and is on a list. They may call him or they may not. It is actually a lottery they told his wife. Meanwhile his life is just ebbing away. " Roni I don't believe specified what country her Uncle lives in, but it sure sounds like a universal health care country to me. (Roni, I hope your Uncle get his surgery soon and will be well). My contention is that universal health care systems sound pretty scary, and I have a lot of doubt if our " guvment " could run such a HUGE bureaucracy. Perhaps you could help us understand how wonderful or how horific your universal health care system actually is??? Anyway, I didn't insult you and I have nothing to apologies for. If that doesn’t work for you, please delete my posts as soon as you see them. You will be doing us both a favor. Neil Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK For your information Neil, British thyroid sufferers are NOT idiots, and yes we demand, and when we don't get, we help ourselves. I resent very strongly your throwaway comment asking if British (and Canadians who you also trashed), are idiots who sit back and are passive recipients of poor health care. Be careful with your insults, as you do not know WHO and how many U.K. subscribers post to this board as well. Nor do you have any appreciation of what many of us have tried to do in our own small way to help ourselves and tell others how to avoid the same pitfalls, due to our national health service. I think you should apologise. You are not freely conducting a bigoted unedited comment one might make behind closed doors, as if speaking to a hallowed circle of like minded friends, you are online, and read by many, you would do well to remember that. Be a man, and apologise. Val (U.K. Thyroid sufferer.) Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK > > > > > this is what we have now LOL. > why does national health care=poor health care? b/c we are all idiots? we > have to demand quality health care so that we can afford it. Do a search for > Prof Weetman at http://www.thyroid.about.com <http://www.thyroid.about.com> > > Shocking. > Gracia > > And note that the " BTA " you cite below is this govt. " universal care " you > tout. > > This is what you would get. > > Neil > > _____ > > Recent Activity > a.. 6New Members > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Val, you seem to have a completely different take on the meaning of Neil's post than I do. I believe he meant that even though you ARE NOT idiots and you PROBABLY DO demand good health care that still the government run system is lacking. In the US if we are fools enough to go to a national healthcare system we will no doubt get an agency with the heart of the IRS and the efficiency of the military. And lest I mislead you I have an immense respect for the US military, but NOT for their efficiency. Before we go to national healthcare system in the US we should restrict the voting to those who have some vague idea of economics 101. Of course healthcare is much more than its economic side, but that alone will sink any plan I've seen deeper than the titanic. > > Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK > <hypothyroidism/message/29757;_ylc=X3oDMTJxOGUwbGk\ 5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjk3NTcEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4NDQ4ODU2Mw--> > > > > Posted by: " " veetee@... > <mailto:veetee@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Fw%3A%20%5Bthyroid%5D%20Dr%20\ Skinners%20Trial%20-%20UK> > hypobod <hypobod> > > > Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:28 am (PST) > > For your information Neil, > > British thyroid sufferers are NOT idiots, and yes we demand, and when we > don't get, we help ourselves. I resent very strongly your throwaway > comment > asking if British (and Canadians who you also trashed), are idiots who sit > back and are passive recipients of poor health care. Be careful with your > insults, as you do not know WHO and how many U.K. subscribers post to this > board as well. Nor do you have any appreciation of what many of us have > tried to do in our own small way to help ourselves and tell others how to > avoid the same pitfalls, due to our national health service. I think you > should apologise. You are not freely conducting a bigoted unedited comment > one might make behind closed doors, as if speaking to a hallowed circle of > like minded friends, you are online, and read by many, you would do > well to > remember that. Be a man, and apologise. > > Val (U.K. Thyroid sufferer.) > > RE: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK > > > So why aren't the British and Canadian citizens doing anything about > their > > mediocre health care systems? > > > > That TSH worshiper resents the British Thyroid Assoc!!! > > > > Why do many of them come to the states for better doctors? > > > > Are they idiots??? Don't they demand " quality health care " ??? > > > > Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 we already have national health care in the US, but it is only for some ppl. It is called medicare/medicaid. We have a prob in US with poor standard of care, and this exists in Europe as well. Skinner trial illustrates this. What I keep saying is that with better standards of care, better educated docs, we can have an affordable health care system. Gracia Before we go to national healthcare system in the US we should restrict the voting to those who have some vague idea of economics 101. Of course healthcare is much more than its economic side, but that alone will sink any plan I've seen deeper than the titanic. > > Recent Activity a.. 5New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 , This is exactly what I meant...thanks for saying it even better than I could... Neil _____ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 2:06 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK Val, you seem to have a completely different take on the meaning of Neil's post than I do. I believe he meant that even though you ARE NOT idiots and you PROBABLY DO demand good health care that still the government run system is lacking. In the US if we are fools enough to go to a national healthcare system we will no doubt get an agency with the heart of the IRS and the efficiency of the military. And lest I mislead you I have an immense respect for the US military, but NOT for their efficiency. Before we go to national healthcare system in the US we should restrict the voting to those who have some vague idea of economics 101. Of course healthcare is much more than its economic side, but that alone will sink any plan I've seen deeper than the titanic. > > Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK > <HYPERLINK " hypothyroidism/message/29757;_ylc=X3oDMTJxOGU wbGk5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjk 3NTcEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4NDQ4ODU2Mw-- " http://groups.-.c om/-group/hypothyroi-dism/message/-29757;_ylc=-X3oDMTJxOGUwbGk5-BF9TAzk3MzU5 NzE1-BGdycElkAzE0NTY2-NARncnBzcElkAzE3-MDkyNTEwODIEbXNn-SWQDMjk3NTcEc2Vj-A2R tc2cEc2xrA3Zt-c2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4-NDQ4ODU2Mw---> > > > > Posted by: " " HYPERLINK " mailto:veetee%40blueyonder.co.uk " veeteeblueyonder (DOT) -co.uk > <mailto:HYPERLINK " mailto:veetee%40blueyonder.co.uk " veeteeblueyonder (DOT) -co.uk?Subject=%20Re%-3A %20Fw%3A%-20%5Bthyroid%-5D%20Dr%20Skinne-rs%20Trial%-20-%20UK> > hypobod <HYPERLINK " hypobod " http://profiles.-/-hypobod> > > > Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:28 am (PST) > > For your information Neil, > > British thyroid sufferers are NOT idiots, and yes we demand, and when we > don't get, we help ourselves. I resent very strongly your throwaway > comment > asking if British (and Canadians who you also trashed), are idiots who sit > back and are passive recipients of poor health care. Be careful with your > insults, as you do not know WHO and how many U.K. subscribers post to this > board as well. Nor do you have any appreciation of what many of us have > tried to do in our own small way to help ourselves and tell others how to > avoid the same pitfalls, due to our national health service. I think you > should apologise. You are not freely conducting a bigoted unedited comment > one might make behind closed doors, as if speaking to a hallowed circle of > like minded friends, you are online, and read by many, you would do > well to > remember that. Be a man, and apologise. > > Val (U.K. Thyroid sufferer.) > > RE: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK > > > So why aren't the British and Canadian citizens doing anything about > their > > mediocre health care systems? > > > > That TSH worshiper resents the British Thyroid Assoc!!! > > > > Why do many of them come to the states for better doctors? > > > > Are they idiots??? Don't they demand " quality health care " ??? > > > > Neil No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 I am having a tough time finding a doctor that takes medicare. The one doctor said she will consider taking me if medicare pays her the 30,000 they owe her. It has been 5 months she has waited for payment. I am even considering canceling it if this is the way they pay. What good is it?? I heard the government borrows the money to pay medicare bills. Nice, huh!! -------Original Message------- Gracia wrote: We already have national health care in the US, but it is only for some ppl. It is called medicare/medicaid. We have a prob in US with poor standard of care, and this exists in Europe as well. Skinner trial illustrates this. What I keep saying is that with better standards of care, better educated docs, we can have an affordable health care system. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Hi , I have medicare and have had not very much problems with them at all. If there is a problem I call them and get it straightened out.. Have you called them to see what the problem is? I think they're pretty good. I haven't had any problems getting a doctor that wouldn't take it. All most all of them take it around here in Ohio. Bev > > We already have national health care in the US, but it is only for some ppl. > It is called medicare/medicaid. > > We have a prob in US with poor standard of care, and this exists in Europe > as well. Skinner trial illustrates this. What I keep saying is that with > better standards of care, better educated docs, we can have an affordable > health care system. > > > > . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 And as I tried to point out elsewhere [don't know it it got through] the combined costs of medicare and medicaid projected for 1990 in constant dollars when the liberal crowd was pushing it in 1964 was in fact almost exactly 2000% percent of the projected cost. So just take any national healthcare proposal and multiply it times 20 and see if you think we can afford it. Medicare/medicade, along with social security, are upon a crash course with economic reality. At the present rate there is absolutely no hope that we the taxpayers can support all that has been promised to people now living. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that at the present rate of growth of just these 3 items we would have a 100% tax rate in less than a century. I wish that at least a few more people espousing yet another federal boondoggle would read a bit of someone like Sowell. I believe that some of the countries that have some of the better systems of national health care have income tax rates greater than 50%. Sweden, maybe??? > > Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK > <hypothyroidism/message/29773;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMmg3M3N\ uBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjk3NzMEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4NDU2NjkxNg--> > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Fw%3A%20%5Bthyroid%5D%20Dr%20Skinners%2\ 0Trial%20-%20UK> > graciabee <graciabee> > > > Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:29 pm (PST) > > > > we already have national health care in the US, but it is only for > some ppl. It is called medicare/medicaid. > > We have a prob in US with poor standard of care, and this exists in > Europe as well. Skinner trial illustrates this. What I keep saying is > that with better standards of care, better educated docs, we can have > an affordable health care system. > > Gracia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Communicating via the internet has tremendous advantages; but also some major disadvantages. Since we miss all of the facial expressions and body language much can be lost in translation. So when we see something that appears goofy it behooves us to read it again, looking for possible alternate meanings. I recently saw an exchange of posts on another list where one of the posters did not do that; and he became livid with anger and posted a lot of derogatory and name calling posts against the other. And the funny thing is the first person didn't really say anything near what the second one was reading. > Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK > <hypothyroidism/message/29775;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZW9ya3U\ 4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjk3NzUEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4NDU2NjkxNg--> > > > > Posted by: " neil " neilneil@... > <mailto:neilneil@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Fw%3A%20%5Bthyroid%5D%20Dr%20\ Skinners%20Trial%20-%20UK> > onewaypockets <onewaypockets> > > > Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:32 pm (PST) > > , > > This is exactly what I meant...thanks for saying it even better than I > could... > > Neil > > _____ > > From: hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > [mailto:hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>] > On Behalf Of > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 2:06 PM > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Subject: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK > > Val, you seem to have a completely different take on the meaning of > Neil's post than I do. I believe he meant that even though you ARE NOT > idiots and you PROBABLY DO demand good health care that still the > government run system is lacking. > > In the US if we are fools enough to go to a national healthcare system > we will no doubt get an agency with the heart of the IRS and the > efficiency of the military. And lest I mislead you I have an immense > respect for the US military, but NOT for their efficiency. > > Before we go to national healthcare system in the US we should restrict > the voting to those who have some vague idea of economics 101. Of > course healthcare is much more than its economic side, but that alone > will sink any plan I've seen deeper than the titanic. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 You know, that could be addressed by everyone paying a " small " monthly premium into a " national " medicare/medicaid program for all, instead of the outrageous premiums they are paying to private health insurers. Say if every adult human in the USA, with the ability to afford it, paid $20 per month? According to the population " clock " at http://www.census.gov/ the population of the USA is approx 302,358,746 (and raising). Say if only a quarter of the population was able to afford $20 per month, that's $1,814,152,560 per year if my calculator is right. And if people paid into it based on their income, that total could skyrocket. ??? Sam :-o > > And as I tried to point out elsewhere [don't know it it got through] the > combined costs of medicare and medicaid projected for 1990 in constant > dollars when the liberal crowd was pushing it in 1964 was in fact almost > exactly 2000% percent of the projected cost. So just take any national > healthcare proposal and multiply it times 20 and see if you think we can > afford it. > > Medicare/medicade, along with social security, are upon a crash course > with economic reality. At the present rate there is absolutely no hope > that we the taxpayers can support all that has been promised to people > now living. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that at the present rate of > growth of just these 3 items we would have a 100% tax rate in less than > a century. > > I wish that at least a few more people espousing yet another federal > boondoggle would read a bit of someone like Sowell. > > I believe that some of the countries that have some of the better > systems of national health care have income tax rates greater than 50%. > Sweden, maybe??? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 I don't know what kind of money you make, but if you live in the states, it might be an interesting exercise to add up all the actual money you spend on taxes. You'd need to include income (Federal,State,Local), property, school, sales, gas, actual costs for healthcare including insurance premiums and copays, any money to medicare, costs for children's education, amount put into retirement accounts, social security, etc. After adding them all up and subtracting from your income I think you might get a bit of a surprise. Roni --- <res075oh@...> wrote: > And as I tried to point out elsewhere [don't know it > it got through] the > combined costs of medicare and medicaid projected > for 1990 in constant > dollars when the liberal crowd was pushing it in > 1964 was in fact almost > exactly 2000% percent of the projected cost. So > just take any national > healthcare proposal and multiply it times 20 and see > if you think we can > afford it. > > Medicare/medicade, along with social security, are > upon a crash course > with economic reality. At the present rate there is > absolutely no hope > that we the taxpayers can support all that has been > promised to people > now living. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that at > the present rate of > growth of just these 3 items we would have a 100% > tax rate in less than > a century. > > I wish that at least a few more people espousing yet > another federal > boondoggle would read a bit of someone like > Sowell. > > I believe that some of the countries that have some > of the better > systems of national health care have income tax > rates greater than 50%. > Sweden, maybe??? > > > > > > > Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK > > > <hypothyroidism/message/29773;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMmg3M3N\ uBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjk3NzMEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4NDU2NjkxNg--> > > > > > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > > > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Fw%3A%20%5Bthyroid%5D%20Dr%20Skinners%2\ 0Trial%20-%20UK> > > graciabee > <graciabee> > > > > > > Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:29 pm (PST) > > > > > > > > we already have national health care in the US, > but it is only for > > some ppl. It is called medicare/medicaid. > > > > We have a prob in US with poor standard of care, > and this exists in > > Europe as well. Skinner trial illustrates this. > What I keep saying is > > that with better standards of care, better > educated docs, we can have > > an affordable health care system. > > > > Gracia > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 My Uncle is waiting for a " new " operation, and he lives in Los Angeles, and the operation has been around and performed in Germany for years. Roni --- neil <neilneil@...> wrote: > Hi Val, > > Nice try. > > Deliberating misquoting someone, then asking for an > apology is the oldest > trick in the book. Then going on to say " Be a > man...etc " just makes it > laughable. > > You can see I DIDN'T say people in your country are > idiots...I clearly > phrased it in the form of a question (didn't you see > the " ??? " after the > sentence????) to Gracia regarding her longing for > universal health care. If > you have been following her posts and other posters > replies Gracia regularly > wishes the USA to have a " perfect " system much like > what you and the > Canadians have. Gracia thinks our " guvment " (her > term) wants each and every > one of us healthy and has our best interests in > mind. Gracia has said that > people need to " demand " good care from their > universal care systems. I > pointed out that many in England and Canada in > desperate situations actually > leave the country and seek treatment here in the > states and that I have seen > in articles (I pasted it) that there was more than a > 800,000 backlog of > people waiting for surgery and that many die waiting > for their operations. > Is that true or is the website wrong??? > > My question to Gracia " Are they idiots??? Don't they > demand " quality health > care " ??? " meant that of course they would demand > quality health care, if > their individual voices could or would be heard, but > I believe they are > STUCK with the system now that it has been created, > stuck with these > " lotteries " , stuck with TSH worshipers like the head > of the BTA (I had one > of them in my country too), stuck with going out of > the country to get help > when feeling absolutely desperate. To unwind such a > monster is pretty much > impossible once it is created...a runaway train so > to speak. I don't want > that in the USA, we already have those systems with > the motor vehicles dept > and the Internal Revenue Dept. > > Poster " Roni " in this group yesterday had this post > " My uncle is currently > waiting for a life saving heart operation, and is on > a list. They may > call him or they may not. It is actually a lottery > they told his wife. > Meanwhile his life is just ebbing away. " Roni I > don't believe specified what > country her Uncle lives in, but it sure sounds like > a universal health care > country to me. (Roni, I hope your Uncle get his > surgery soon and will be > well). > > My contention is that universal health care systems > sound pretty scary, and > I have a lot of doubt if our " guvment " could run > such a HUGE bureaucracy. > Perhaps you could help us understand how wonderful > or how horific your > universal health care system actually is??? > > Anyway, I didn't insult you and I have nothing to > apologies for. If that > doesn’t work for you, please delete my posts as soon > as you see them. You > will be doing us both a favor. > > Neil > > Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr > Skinners Trial - UK > > For your information Neil, > > British thyroid sufferers are NOT idiots, and yes we > demand, and when we > don't get, we help ourselves. I resent very strongly > your throwaway comment > asking if British (and Canadians who you also > trashed), are idiots who sit > back and are passive recipients of poor health care. > Be careful with your > insults, as you do not know WHO and how many U.K. > subscribers post to this > board as well. Nor do you have any appreciation of > what many of us have > tried to do in our own small way to help ourselves > and tell others how to > avoid the same pitfalls, due to our national health > service. I think you > should apologise. You are not freely conducting a > bigoted unedited comment > one might make behind closed doors, as if speaking > to a hallowed circle of > like minded friends, you are online, and read by > many, you would do well to > remember that. Be a man, and apologise. > > Val (U.K. Thyroid sufferer.) > > Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr > Skinners Trial - UK > > > > > > > > > > this is what we have now LOL. > > why does national health care=poor health care? > b/c we are all idiots? we > > have to demand quality health care so that we can > afford it. Do a search > for > > Prof Weetman at http://www.thyroid.about.com > <http://www.thyroid.about.com> > > > > Shocking. > > Gracia > > > > And note that the " BTA " you cite below is this > govt. " universal care " you > > tout. > > > > This is what you would get. > > > > Neil > > > > _____ > > > > Recent Activity > > a.. 6New Members > > Visit Your Group > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Thoughtful statement, . And - we have to ask ourselves why these folks with government funded medical care for all people come to the United States to be treated when they are in trouble. On another list I belong to, some Canadian women have to wait up to two years to see a " specialist " . So, rather than wait, they cross the border into the U.S. any pay for a doc to see them. Dusty Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK And as I tried to point out elsewhere [don't know it it got through] the combined costs of medicare and medicaid projected for 1990 in constant dollars when the liberal crowd was pushing it in 1964 was in fact almost exactly 2000% percent of the projected cost. So just take any national healthcare proposal and multiply it times 20 and see if you think we can afford it. Medicare/medicade, along with social security, are upon a crash course with economic reality. At the present rate there is absolutely no hope that we the taxpayers can support all that has been promised to people now living. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that at the present rate of growth of just these 3 items we would have a 100% tax rate in less than a century. I wish that at least a few more people espousing yet another federal boondoggle would read a bit of someone like Sowell. I believe that some of the countries that have some of the better systems of national health care have income tax rates greater than 50%. Sweden, maybe??? > > Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK > <http://groups. <hypothyroidism/message/29773;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMmg 3M3NuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjk 3NzMEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4NDU2NjkxNg--> /group/hypothyroidism/message/29773;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMmg3M3NuBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjk3NzMEc2VjA2Rtc2 cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4NDU2NjkxNg--> > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> > <mailto:circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Fw%3A%20%5Bthyroid%5D%20Dr%20Skinners%20Trial%20-%20UK> > graciabee <http://profiles. <graciabee> /graciabee> > > > Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:29 pm (PST) > > > > we already have national health care in the US, but it is only for > some ppl. It is called medicare/medicaid. > > We have a prob in US with poor standard of care, and this exists in > Europe as well. Skinner trial illustrates this. What I keep saying is > that with better standards of care, better educated docs, we can have > an affordable health care system. > > Gracia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Thank you Bev. I haven't been to a doctor for close to 30 yrs....so...maybe not having one before getting medicare is the problem. They are not paying the doctors tho and that is not right. I live poorly in a ritzy town in Oregon....maybe they just don't need medicare. -- Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK Hi , I have medicare and have had not very much problems with them at all. If there is a problem I call them and get it straightened out.. Have you called them to see what the problem is? I think they're pretty good. I haven't had any problems getting a doctor that wouldn't take it. All most all of them take it around here in Ohio. Bev Recent Activity 4New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Sam, Your idea just can't work. It is too logical. It makes too much sense. I can hear the wailing already. Bleeding hearts will never make illegal's pay. They will never make children pay (or the children of illegals). They will never make the sick....the old....the feeble.....the stupid....the people who do not financially plan ahead. So basically once they are done with their " special interests " it comes back to US. The few who work, who earn, who pay for everyone. Problem is, as points out, this little cash cow segment (the US) is running out. The boomers are getting old and they want to retire. Problem is there is no one left to pay for US. So it ain't gonna happen. Even though it should. Even though it must. Pass the pie, Neil _____ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Sam Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:15 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK You know, that could be addressed by everyone paying a " small " monthly premium into a " national " medicare/medicaid program for all, instead of the outrageous premiums they are paying to private health insurers. Say if every adult human in the USA, with the ability to afford it, paid $20 per month? According to the population " clock " at HYPERLINK " http://www.census.gov/ " http://www.census.-gov/ the population of the USA is approx 302,358,746 (and raising). Say if only a quarter of the population was able to afford $20 per month, that's $1,814,152,560 per year if my calculator is right. And if people paid into it based on their income, that total could skyrocket. ??? Sam :-o > > And as I tried to point out elsewhere [don't know it it got through] the > combined costs of medicare and medicaid projected for 1990 in constant > dollars when the liberal crowd was pushing it in 1964 was in fact almost > exactly 2000% percent of the projected cost. So just take any national > healthcare proposal and multiply it times 20 and see if you think we can > afford it. > > Medicare/medicade, along with social security, are upon a crash course > with economic reality. At the present rate there is absolutely no hope > that we the taxpayers can support all that has been promised to people > now living. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that at the present rate of > growth of just these 3 items we would have a 100% tax rate in less than > a century. > > I wish that at least a few more people espousing yet another federal > boondoggle would read a bit of someone like Sowell. > > I believe that some of the countries that have some of the better > systems of national health care have income tax rates greater than 50%. > Sweden, maybe??? > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 I wonder how much there would be for us if this war were not taking millions of dollars out of our country every day. I see by the news reports today he is wanting to give $190 million to the Palestinians to get a peace treaty, but has indicated that the children's health initiave to continue to give poor American children health insurance has been denegrated by his advisors. Our money is not being used up by our citizens, it is being sent overseas for all kinds of reasons on top of whatever else was going out of the country in the first place Roni --- neil <neilneil@...> wrote: ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Do you know why they are not paying the doc.? Does the doc. normally except Medicare? I have changed docs. quite a lot the last couple years and I still haven't had any problems getting them to pay. I make sure the doc. excepts medicare before I go to that doc. hope it starts working for you soon. Bev > > Thank you Bev. I haven't been to a doctor for close to 30 yrs....so...maybe > not having one before getting medicare is the problem. > > They are not paying the doctors tho and that is not right. I live poorly in > a ritzy town in Oregon....maybe they just don't need medicare. > > > > -- Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK > > Hi , > I have medicare and have had not very much problems with them at all. > If there is a problem I call them and get it straightened out.. Have > you called them to see what the problem is? I think they're pretty > good. I haven't had any problems getting a doctor that wouldn't > take it. All most all of them take it around here in Ohio. > Bev > Recent Activity > 4New Members > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 How much of this are we going to take before we march on Washington.....we are all mumbling to ourselves but Sheehan is the only one sticking her neck out. We are all chickens. -- RE: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK I wonder how much there would be for us if this war were not taking millions of dollars out of our country every day. I see by the news reports today he is wanting to give $190 million to the Palestinians to get a peace treaty, but has indicated that the children's health initiave to continue to give poor American children health insurance has been denegrated by his advisors. Our money is not being used up by our citizens, it is being sent overseas for all kinds of reasons on top of whatever else was going out of the country in the first place Roni --- neil <neilneil@...> wrote: __________________________________________________________ oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Is there a path thru the woods where I can become an illegal alien in Canada?? -- Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK You know, that could be addressed by everyone paying a " small " monthly premium into a " national " medicare/medicaid program for all, instead of the outrageous premiums they are paying to private health insurers. Say if every adult human in the USA, with the ability to afford it, paid $20 per month? According to the population " clock " at HYPERLINK " http://www.census.gov/ " http://www.census.-gov/ the population of the USA is approx 302,358,746 (and raising). Say if only a quarter of the population was able to afford $20 per month, that's $1,814,152,560 per year if my calculator is right. And if people paid into it based on their income, that total could skyrocket. ??? Sam :-o > > And as I tried to point out elsewhere [don't know it it got through] the > combined costs of medicare and medicaid projected for 1990 in constant > dollars when the liberal crowd was pushing it in 1964 was in fact almost > exactly 2000% percent of the projected cost. So just take any national > healthcare proposal and multiply it times 20 and see if you think we can > afford it. > > Medicare/medicade, along with social security, are upon a crash course > with economic reality. At the present rate there is absolutely no hope > that we the taxpayers can support all that has been promised to people > now living. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that at the present rate of > growth of just these 3 items we would have a 100% tax rate in less than > a century. > > I wish that at least a few more people espousing yet another federal > boondoggle would read a bit of someone like Sowell. > > I believe that some of the countries that have some of the better > systems of national health care have income tax rates greater than 50%. > Sweden, maybe??? > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 No Bev, I got a little ticked because she said she wasn't taking new medicare patients and decided to look elsewhere. It's pretty hoity toity here....people with money. But I will ask both. Thanks for suggesting. -- Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK Do you know why they are not paying the doc.? Does the doc. normally except Medicare? I have changed docs. quite a lot the last couple years and I still haven't had any problems getting them to pay. I make sure the doc. excepts medicare before I go to that doc. hope it starts working for you soon. Bev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 --- <ronicamelian@...> wrote: > No Bev, > > I got a little ticked because she said she wasn't > taking new medicare > patients and decided to look elsewhere. > > It's pretty hoity toity here....people with money. > But I will ask both. > Thanks for suggesting. > > > > -- Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr > Skinners Trial - UK > > Do you know why they are not paying the doc.? Does > the doc. > normally except Medicare? I have changed docs. quite > a lot the last > couple years and I still haven't had any problems > getting them to > pay. I make sure the doc. excepts medicare before I > go to that doc. > hope it starts working for you soon. > Bev > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 <grin> Oh yea, that's right, common sense doesn't exist in government...what was I thinking? ACH!!! Bad Sammy :-\ > > Sam, > > Your idea just can't work. It is too logical. It makes too much sense. > > I can hear the wailing already. Bleeding hearts will never make illegal's > pay. They will never make children pay (or the children of illegals). They > will never make the sick....the old....the feeble.....the stupid....the > people who do not financially plan ahead. > > So basically once they are done with their " special interests " it comes back > to US. The few who work, who earn, who pay for everyone. > > Problem is, as points out, this little cash cow segment (the US) is > running out. The boomers are getting old and they want to retire. Problem is > there is no one left to pay for US. > > So it ain't gonna happen. Even though it should. Even though it must. > > Pass the pie, > > Neil > > _____ > > From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] > On Behalf Of Sam > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:15 PM > hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK > > > > You know, that could be addressed by everyone paying a " small " > monthly premium into a " national " medicare/medicaid program for all, > instead of the outrageous premiums they are paying to private health > insurers. Say if every adult human in the USA, with the ability to > afford it, paid $20 per month? > > According to the population " clock " at HYPERLINK > " http://www.census.gov/ " http://www.census.-gov/ the > population of the USA is approx 302,358,746 (and raising). Say if > only a quarter of the population was able to afford $20 per month, > that's $1,814,152,560 per year if my calculator is right. And if > people paid into it based on their income, that total could > skyrocket. > > ??? > > Sam :-o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 See the movie Sicko, we are all afraid of our government, instead of the other way around. As far as someone mentioning being a bleeding heart, what an odd image to conjure up. My family and I have always worked and paid taxes, but we still care about the children, the old, the stupid.... all of them, regardless of who their parents are, how old they are or whether they are educated. We are all interconnected. All but for the grace of God go we, who are lucky enough to have had good parents, good children, and good teachers which led us to be able to make choices. Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes. Be humble before you are brought to your knees. Love to all, Jackie On Jul 16, 2007, at 8:59 PM, wrote: > How much of this are we going to take before we march on > Washington.....we > are all mumbling to ourselves but Sheehan is the only one > sticking her > neck out. We are all chickens. > > > > -- RE: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK > > I wonder how much there would be for us if this war > were not taking millions of dollars out of our country > every day. I see by the news reports today he is > wanting to give $190 million to the Palestinians to > get a peace treaty, but has indicated that the > children's health initiave to continue to give poor > American children health insurance has been denegrated > by his advisors. Our money is not being used up by our > citizens, it is being sent overseas for all kinds of > reasons on top of whatever else was going out of the > country in the first place > > Roni > > --- neil <neilneil@...> wrote: > > __________________________________________________________ > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 If you start another " fund " the politicians would steal it away to fund other interests, like they are currently doing with the Social Security money which is given away to those who never paid into it - ie: SSI recipients (many of whom enjoy supplementing this income with " under the table " income and you can't tell me they don't because I know of at least two who did by babysitting full time for friends and working and getting paid by " family " in what I would consider hard labor jobs. > From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] > On Behalf Of Sam > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:15 PM > hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK > > You know, that could be addressed by everyone paying a " small " > monthly premium into a " national " medicare/medicaid program for all, > instead of the outrageous premiums they are paying to private health > insurers. Say if every adult human in the USA, with the ability to > afford it, paid $20 per month? > > According to the population " clock " at HYPERLINK > " http://www.census.gov/ " http://www.census.-gov/ the > population of the USA is approx 302,358,746 (and raising). Say if > only a quarter of the population was able to afford $20 per month, > that's $1,814,152,560 per year if my calculator is right. And if > people paid into it based on their income, that total could > skyrocket. > > ??? > > Sam :-o > > > > > > And as I tried to point out elsewhere [don't know it it got > through] the > > combined costs of medicare and medicaid projected for 1990 in > constant > > dollars when the liberal crowd was pushing it in 1964 was in fact > almost > > exactly 2000% percent of the projected cost. So just take any > national > > healthcare proposal and multiply it times 20 and see if you think > we can > > afford it. > > > > Medicare/medicade, along with social security, are upon a crash > course > > with economic reality. At the present rate there is absolutely no > hope > > that we the taxpayers can support all that has been promised to > people > > now living. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that at the present rate > of > > growth of just these 3 items we would have a 100% tax rate in less > than > > a century. > > > > I wish that at least a few more people espousing yet another > federal > > boondoggle would read a bit of someone like Sowell. > > > > I believe that some of the countries that have some of the better > > systems of national health care have income tax rates greater than > 50%. > > Sweden, maybe??? > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 > 5:22 PM > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 > 5:22 PM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Hi Jackie, What you say makes sense, unless you also consider what posted yesterday, I paste it here.... " And as I tried to point out elsewhere [don't know it it got through] the combined costs of medicare and medicaid projected for 1990 in constant dollars when the liberal crowd was pushing it in 1964 was in fact almost exactly 2000% percent of the projected cost. So just take any national healthcare proposal and multiply it times 20 and see if you think we can afford it. " " Medicare/medicade, along with social security, are upon a crash course with economic reality. At the present rate there is absolutely no hope that we the taxpayers can support all that has been promised to people now living. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that at the present rate of growth of just these 3 items we would have a 100% tax rate in less than a century. " " I wish that at least a few more people espousing yet another federal boondoggle would read a bit of someone like Sowell. " " I believe that some of the countries that have some of the better systems of national health care have income tax rates greater than 50%. Sweden, maybe??? " " " You can see it is an impossibility that the " few " (the few people actually working and paying taxes) will be able to pay for these Medicare and Medicade programs, let alone universal care that wants. How is this to be done? There are too many of " them " and too few of us. Neil _____ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Ken & Jackie Reimer Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:26 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK See the movie Sicko, we are all afraid of our government, instead of the other way around. As far as someone mentioning being a bleeding heart, what an odd image to conjure up. My family and I have always worked and paid taxes, but we still care about the children, the old, the stupid.... all of them, regardless of who their parents are, how old they are or whether they are educated. We are all interconnected. All but for the grace of God go we, who are lucky enough to have had good parents, good children, and good teachers which led us to be able to make choices. Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes. Be humble before you are brought to your knees. Love to all, Jackie On Jul 16, 2007, at 8:59 PM, wrote: > How much of this are we going to take before we march on > Washington..-...we > are all mumbling to ourselves but Sheehan is the only one > sticking her > neck out. We are all chickens. > > > > -- RE: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK > > I wonder how much there would be for us if this war > were not taking millions of dollars out of our country > every day. I see by the news reports today he is > wanting to give $190 million to the Palestinians to > get a peace treaty, but has indicated that the > children's health initiave to continue to give poor > American children health insurance has been denegrated > by his advisors. Our money is not being used up by our > citizens, it is being sent overseas for all kinds of > reasons on top of whatever else was going out of the > country in the first place > > Roni > > --- neil <HYPERLINK " mailto:neilneil%40roadrunner.com " neilneilroadrunner-> wrote: > > ____________-_________-_________-_________-_________-_________-_ > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > HYPERLINK " http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC " http://mobile.-yah oo.com/-mobileweb/-onesearch?-refer=1ONXIC > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Wow...sounds like Corvallis. > > >They are not paying the doctors tho and that is not right. I live poorly in >a ritzy town in Oregon....maybe they just don't need medicare. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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