Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

January 23, 2008

Hi Dusty,

I am not posting this to defend Gracia, like everyone here she speaks

for herself. But I would like to relate a story.

About a two years ago my wife, mid 40's, started having a LOT of hip

pain, so bad some days her eyes looked glazed and she cried. It got so

bad so went to our HMO doctor and they X-rayed it. They told her she

had the beginnings of osteoartritis. They told her there was nothing

they really could do, but prescribed some huge pain relivers tablets,

something like Tylenol with Codine (you get the idea). The pain

actually got so bad she bought a cane to walk around a work.

Around that time I also started having some problems too and was doing

a lot of reading and I tested her blood as well when I did mine. What

I found was she was EXTREMELY deficient in Vitamin D, and her female

hormones were just about ZERO. Her testosterone level was the only

normal level, some of this hormone is made by a females adrenal

glands. She was essentially menopausal despite having a monthly cycle

and only being in her mid 40's.

She paid out of pocket to go to an anti-aging doctor and very long

story short...he got her on some progesterone caplets and estrogen

gel. I also have been giving her vitmain D3 oil based gels and

restored her D3 levels to normal. All of her hormones are now " tuned-up " .

We guess what...the osteoartritis is GONE! Not just better, but 100% gone!

The cane just sits in the back of her car, never gets used.

I am not sure if it was the vitamin D or the restoration of her

hormones, we are not about to run a " study " ;-/ to find out which

hormone (or prohormone like the vitamin D) is responsible, but she is

off the Tylenol and feeling fantastic.

Hormones are the Mother root of which many deeper issues are made.

Neil

:-))))

>

> THis is more dangerous blather. Only a true charlatan would address such

> every day mundane problems as headache and a sore hip with such

dangerous

> drugs. These comments show the depth of your addiction or the depth

of your

> brainwashing.

>

> Dusty

>

> Re: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

>

> 1) Armour has calcitonen in it, which " fixes " calcium to bone.

>

> 2) hormones are wonderful, but I have had to seriously decrease the

estrogen

> and progesterone, b/c of iodine and how it affects hormone receptors.

> everything all together has made my teeth bigger! and harder!

> hmmmm that could be a comercial for something.

> Gracia

>

> You also are using bio identical sex hormones, which have made your

bones

> and teeth twice as strong as they used to be. No secret about their

> ability to do that. Funny you don't mention it here.

>

> Here it comes again, that misrepresentation of the wonders of ONLY YOUR

> drugs with perfect numbers according to where YOU DESIRE those

numbers to be

> and not any medical standard.

>

> Dusty

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January 23, 2008

Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you should insult

and slander(blather, charlatan, addiction, brainwashed).

Anger, bickering and strife can be addicting too as well as being

hard on the adrenals. It can make one sick.

People might be hesitant to share successfull therapies for fear of

being put down and humiliated. Please, try to be humble and learn

from others who have gone down the path ahead of us. If you don't

want to follow, you don't have to. ~ Shalom,

>

> THis is more dangerous blather. Only a true charlatan would address

such

> every day mundane problems as headache and a sore hip with such

dangerous

> drugs. These comments show the depth of your addiction or the

depth of your

> brainwashing.

>

> Dusty

>

> Re: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

>

> 1) Armour has calcitonen in it, which " fixes " calcium to bone.

>

> 2) hormones are wonderful, but I have had to seriously decrease the

estrogen

> and progesterone, b/c of iodine and how it affects hormone

receptors.

> everything all together has made my teeth bigger! and harder!

> hmmmm that could be a comercial for something.

> Gracia

>

> You also are using bio identical sex hormones, which have made your

bones

> and teeth twice as strong as they used to be. No secret about their

> ability to do that. Funny you don't mention it here.

>

> Here it comes again, that misrepresentation of the wonders of ONLY

YOUR

> drugs with perfect numbers according to where YOU DESIRE those

numbers to be

> and not any medical standard.

>

> Dusty

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January 23, 2008

Hello,

I usually just lurk here, but I am one who has benefited greatly from

Iodine. I have Hashi's. I take 50mg Iodoral per day. I feel great, my

skin looks better, and my fibrocystic breast pain is gone.

I also have a friend who is taking Iodoral at his doctor's

insistance. His anti-bodies started out at over 1000. After two

months on Iodoral his anti-bodies were under 500. He looks and feels

so much better.

So there you have it, two people that have Hashi's and had Iodine

help them tremendously.

Darla

> >

> > hi Venezia

> > I am glad you are happy with your new doc but he is not right

> about iodine and hashis. that is conventional thinking and what

docs

> are taught, but it is not correct. I only wish I had been given

> iodine/iodide as a child--it would have saved me from a life of

hell.

> > Gracia

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Just met with my new doctor today. I brought up the fact that

this is

> > a big discussion on our list. He said iodine is definately not

good

> > for those with hashi's. He is one that treats with Armour and

looks

> > at FT3 & Ft4 and also TSH. He brought up a patient with Hashi's

that

> > was taking a multiple vitamin that had iron. She couldn't

figure out

> > why she felt so bad until she brought up that fact that she was

taking

> > a vitamin to him.

> >

> > Wasn't there someone on the list that has hashi's and tried

iodine and

> > said they didn't do well on it. I am going back into the posts

and

> > see if I can find that. Or if you are that person maybe you

could

> > elaborate for us.

> >

> > By the way, I am very happy with my new doctor today. He is

> > definitely up on what works for us. He treats naturally (I know

some

> > of you do not feel there is anything natural about Armour)

Anyway, he

> > took is time with me. Is doing my Ft3 and 4 and Ferritin. As for

> > adrenals he said that if I had an adrenal problem, my BP would

be low

> > like in the 90's and it was 126/65 so.....I may still bring it

up

> > again depending on what he finds out from the blood tests. Once

they

> > are in we will discuss things further.

> >

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January 23, 2008

Ok, answer this about people that actually 'are' allergic to

inorganic iodine. Iodine in the body is necessary to be alive, and

those people have iodine in their bodies (or they wouldn't be alive),

so how come they don't react to the iodine in their bodies, organs,

brain, eyes, skin, etc?

>

> your lack of medical knowledge is showing garcia BECAUSE NOT

EVERYONE can take iodine. people who are allergic to any form of

iodine can not take it because they can get an severe allergic

reaction that could kill them! I know because I am one of them.

> one of my docs, prudence hall who has extensive training in natural

medicine as well as allopathic medicine concurs about this. she also

knows that NOT all people can be on hormone replacement therapy, take

lupus patients- it is contraindicated for people who have lupus/sle

to take any hormone replacement because they will flare the disease

process, just like people who have breast cancer and uterine cancer-

you NEVER give them hormone replacement because the hormones drive

the cancer.

> women who are not in menopause and kids CAN NOT take sex hormone

replacement therapy! otherwise you are giving them something that can

trigger cancer and other diseases.

> I never said good medical care was about using monotherapy. DO NOT

PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH.

> I was speaking about armour specifically.

> like I have said what works for you is great- but it may not work

for every other person in the universe.

> I am very happy that what you take helps you- I just can't

understand why you can't accept that not everyone is like you. even

sam, takes more armour than you do- because she needs it. if you feel

that we are all the same [gggg] then why don't you take 11 grains of

armour?

January 24, 2008

Tina,

Thank you for the info.! Could you recommend any

holistic docs in the area? (I'm new to B'ham.)

--- & Tina <bamachoppers@...> wrote:

> Yes her name is Heckemeyer, but she is at

> the Mecy hospital Green in Birmingham! Even

> though I have health insurance I go there, because

> in

> my opinion they are the most experienced doctors

> around. They've seen it all! I work at U.A.B.

> Hospital, and some of our doctors work there as

> well.

> I work in Orthopedics.

> --- Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Tina,

> >

> > I couldn't help but notice the " bama " in your

> email.

> > Please tell me this lovely doctor that listens to

> > you

> > is in Alabama!

> >

> > --- & Tina <bamachoppers@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Thank you Chuck...You always answer the real

> > > question.

> > > Thank everyone so much! My endo. has never given

> > > anyone Armour before, but she said " hey I'll try

> > > anything within reason to make you feel better! "

> > > When

> > > I print the responses from some in this group,

> she

> > > actually reads them! I know it's kinda scary,

> but

> > I

> > > think we are learning about Armour together!

> This

> > > group is so wonderful!

> > > --- Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Tina,

> > > >

> > > > You wrote:

> > > > > ...Does being hypothyroid

> > > > > have anything to do with iron deficiency?

> > > >

> > > > Yes. Without enough FT3, marrow cells slow

> > > > production of blood cells

> > > > producing anemia.

> > > >

> > > > Chuck

> > > >

> > >

> >

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January 24, 2008

Dusty, Gracia helped save my life.

Sam

> >

> > I'm not attacking you personally..... I'm attacking the belief

> system about

> > your kind of medicating that is so wildly absurd and dangerous in

> exactly

> > the way you do conventional medicine. A headache and a sore hip

> will go

> > away in minutes to a few hours - adding something as dangerous as

> estrogen

> > to treat them is absolutely ludicrous. Posting such nonsense is

> proof that

> > you wish to continue stir the pot.

> >

> > Dusty

> >

> > Re: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

> >

> > good lord.....what on earth is wrong with you? headache and sore

> hip are not

> > mundane probs for me--I usually feel good everyday. do you think

I

> am

> > addicted to estrogen? can I ask you to refrain from attacking me

> personally?

> > I would appreciate it.

> > Gracia

> >

> > THis is more dangerous blather. Only a true charlatan would

address

> such

> > every day mundane problems as headache and a sore hip with such

> dangerous

> > drugs. These comments show the depth of your addiction or the

depth

> of your

> > brainwashing.

> >

> > Dusty

>

January 24, 2008

Contrast dye is nasty...it's not uncommon to have

bad reactions to that stuff...I don't react well

to contrast dyes. I do great on iodoral, tho.

You seem to know lot of people that are allergic to

everything. You must live in the allergic-to-everything

belt of the US.

> >

> > your lack of medical knowledge is showing garcia BECAUSE NOT

> EVERYONE can take iodine. people who are allergic to any form of

> iodine can not take it because they can get an severe allergic

> reaction that could kill them! I know because I am one of them.

> > one of my docs, prudence hall who has extensive training in

natural

> medicine as well as allopathic medicine concurs about this. she

also

> knows that NOT all people can be on hormone replacement therapy,

take

> lupus patients- it is contraindicated for people who have lupus/sle

> to take any hormone replacement because they will flare the disease

> process, just like people who have breast cancer and uterine cancer-

> you NEVER give them hormone replacement because the hormones drive

> the cancer.

> > women who are not in menopause and kids CAN NOT take sex hormone

> replacement therapy! otherwise you are giving them something that

can

> trigger cancer and other diseases.

> > I never said good medical care was about using monotherapy. DO

NOT

> PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH.

> > I was speaking about armour specifically.

> > like I have said what works for you is great- but it may not work

> for every other person in the universe.

> > I am very happy that what you take helps you- I just can't

> understand why you can't accept that not everyone is like you. even

> sam, takes more armour than you do- because she needs it. if you

feel

> that we are all the same [gggg] then why don't you take 11 grains

of

> armour?

>

January 24, 2008

Contrast dye is a whole lot different than

inorganic iodine/iodide.

> > >

> > > your lack of medical knowledge is showing garcia BECAUSE NOT

> > EVERYONE can take iodine. people who are allergic to any form of

> > iodine can not take it because they can get an severe allergic

> > reaction that could kill them! I know because I am one of them.

> > > one of my docs, prudence hall who has extensive training in

> natural

> > medicine as well as allopathic medicine concurs about this. she

> also

> > knows that NOT all people can be on hormone replacement therapy,

> take

> > lupus patients- it is contraindicated for people who have

lupus/sle

> > to take any hormone replacement because they will flare the

disease

> > process, just like people who have breast cancer and uterine

cancer-

>

> > you NEVER give them hormone replacement because the hormones

drive

> > the cancer.

> > > women who are not in menopause and kids CAN NOT take sex

hormone

> > replacement therapy! otherwise you are giving them something that

> can

> > trigger cancer and other diseases.

> > > I never said good medical care was about using monotherapy. DO

> NOT

> > PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH.

> > > I was speaking about armour specifically.

> > > like I have said what works for you is great- but it may not

work

> > for every other person in the universe.

> > > I am very happy that what you take helps you- I just can't

> > understand why you can't accept that not everyone is like you.

even

> > sam, takes more armour than you do- because she needs it. if you

> feel

> > that we are all the same [gggg] then why don't you take 11 grains

> of

> > armour?

> >

January 24, 2008

Now how about the side effects of " low dose " Cortef?

>

> http://www.drugs.com/sfx/cortef-side-effects.html

>

> Side effects of Cortef

>

> http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/solucort_ad.htm

>

> Side effect of Solu Cortef

>

> Fluid and Electrolyte

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3215>

Disturbances

>

> Sodium <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9969>

> retention

>

> Fluid retention

>

> Congestive <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=6972>

> heart failure in susceptible patients

>

> Potassium <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=9970> loss

>

> Hypokalemic alkalosis

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6852>

>

> Hypertension <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=3846>

>

> Musculoskeletal

>

> Muscle <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4464>

weakness

>

> Steroid <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=5556>

> myopathy <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=4492>

>

> Loss of muscle mass

>

> Osteoporosis <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=4686>

>

> Tendon <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=5732>

rupture

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=40106> ,

particularly

> of the Achilles <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=2113>

> tendon

>

> Vertebral compression

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=39885>

fractures

>

> Aseptic <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2366>

> necrosis of femoral

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3406>

>

> and humeral heads

>

> Pathologic <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=25868>

> fracture of long bones

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> Gastrointestinal <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=3555>

>

> Peptic <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4829>

ulcer

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Pancreatitis

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4745>

Abdominal

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=19269>

distention

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=13145>

Ulcerative

> esophagitis <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=3322>

>

> Increases in alanine

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=15589>

transaminase

> (ALT <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6585> ,

SGPT

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aspartate

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> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6320> ) and

alkaline

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=8701>

phosphatase have

> been observed following corticosteroid

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2849>

treatment.

> These changes are usually small, not associated with any clinical

syndrome

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=5613> and are

> reversible upon discontinuation.

>

> Dermatologic <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=2952>

>

> Impaired wound healing

>

> Thin fragile skin

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=7901>

>

> Petechiae <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=4853> and

> ecchymoses

>

> Facial erythema <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=3306>

>

> Increased sweating

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9299>

>

> May suppress reactions to skin tests

>

> Neurological <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=11748>

>

> Convulsions

>

> Increased intracranial

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=13759>

pressure

>

> with papilledema <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=4757>

> (pseudotumor

>

> cerebri) usually after treatment

>

> Vertigo <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6129>

>

> Headache <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=11396>

>

> Endocrine <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=25210>

>

> Menstrual <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=30736>

> irregularities

>

> Development of Cushingoid

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9080> state

>

> Suppression of growth in children

>

> Secondary adrenocortical and

>

> pituitary <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=21320>

> unresponsiveness,

>

> particularly in times of stress

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=20104> , as

>

> in trauma <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=8171> ,

> surgery <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=5603> , or

> illness

>

> Decreased carbohydrate

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6553>

tolerance

>

> Manifestations of latent

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=38176>

diabetes

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=11148>

>

> mellitus

>

> Increased requirements of insulin

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3989>

>

> or oral hypoglycemic

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=18046>

agents in

>

> diabetics

>

> Ophthalmic <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=4647>

>

> Posterior <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=9277>

> subcapsular cataracts

>

> Increased intraocular

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4014>

pressure

>

> Glaucoma <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=3596>

>

> Exophthalmos <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=3355>

>

> Metabolic <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=18074>

>

> Negative nitrogen

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=32780>

balance due to

> protein <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6554>

> catabolism <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=11103>

>

> The following additional reactions are related to parenteral

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4776>

corticosteroid

> therapy <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=10897> :

>

> Allergic, anaphylactic or other hypersensitivity reactions

>

> Hyperpigmentation

> <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3844> or

>

> hypopigmentation

>

> Subcutaneous <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=8265>

> and cutaneous <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=2885>

>

> atrophy <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2389>

>

> Sterile abscess <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?

articlekey=2097>

>

> Re: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

>

> you don't know enough about using cortef and iodine,

January 24, 2008

Huh? All I said was " Contrast dye is a whole lot different

than inorganic iodine/iodide. " Where the heck to you get " igoring the

truth " from that? Contrast dye " is " a whole lot different than

inorganic iodine/iodide. Yes it's " based " on iodine, but it's a

compound: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocontrast

>

> There ya go again, Sam. Ignoring the truth. The man was confirmed

to have

> an iodine allergy and had to wear a Medic bracelet.

>

> You can't change that no matter how many times you post other info

to try

> and cloud the issue. Very clever - but - it is what it is. He was

> allergic to the iodine.

>

> Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

>

> Contrast dye is a whole lot different than

> inorganic iodine/iodide.

January 24, 2008

Ahhh, I see. Thank you, Chuck. You're actually

the first person I've ever asked that has actually

responded with a reasonable explaination.

Cool!

Sam :-D

> >

> > Ok, answer this about people that actually 'are' allergic to

> > inorganic iodine. Iodine in the body is necessary to be alive, and

> > those people have iodine in their bodies (or they wouldn't be

alive),

> > so how come they don't react to the iodine in their bodies,

organs,

> > brain, eyes, skin, etc?

>

> Because it is technically a sensitivity, rather than an allergy,

which

> means it has a threshold. The threshold dose will vary greatly, but

it

> is evidently at about 3 mg for most people with the sensitivity.

>

> Chuck

>

January 24, 2008

I have to go in for a kidney contrast dye test of some kind [sore kidney

area for a month]. It's a Fluoroscopy IVP W/Tomo. I also will have a

renal sonogram.

I had to do bloodwork first to make sure that there are no indications

that I should not have the tests done, and have to get that result first.

The lady at the lab that did the bloodwork indicated the test might

be very uncomfortable??? Anybody familiar with that? I've had contrast

x-rays of various kinds before, and other than the junk you have to

drink I don't remember anything that particularly bothered me.

Thanks,

>

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> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

> Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:07 pm (PST)

>

> Contrast dye is a whole lot different than

> inorganic iodine/iodide.

>

> >

> > Yeah, I'm sure it can be nasty - but the bottom line is it was

> confirmed

> > that he reacted tot he iodine and had to avoid it the rest ofhis

> life -

> > hence the bracelet.

January 24, 2008

Hopefully not as uncomfortable as the myleogram I had.

Breath in thru your nose, and very slowly breath out of your mouth.

That could be the other way around, tho. Just relax and watch the

show if they let you...maybe ask for a copy of the DVD if they make

one. <wink>

So, um, what's up? Hows come they're gonna look at you

in live action? Are you ok or is this just preemptive?

Sam :-o

>

> I have to go in for a kidney contrast dye test of some kind [sore

kidney

> area for a month]. It's a Fluoroscopy IVP W/Tomo. I also will

have a

> renal sonogram.

>

> I had to do bloodwork first to make sure that there are no

indications

> that I should not have the tests done, and have to get that result

first.

>

> The lady at the lab that did the bloodwork indicated the test

might

> be very uncomfortable??? Anybody familiar with that? I've had

contrast

> x-rays of various kinds before, and other than the junk you have to

> drink I don't remember anything that particularly bothered me.

>

> Thanks,

>

> >

> > Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

> >

> > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

> > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Low%20Iron%20and%

20Hypothyroidism>

> > stealthwind <stealthwind>

> >

> > Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:07 pm (PST)

> >

> > Contrast dye is a whole lot different than

> > inorganic iodine/iodide.

January 24, 2008

I've had kidney stones 2 or 3 times a long time ago. Sometimes I get a

sore area about where my right kidney is [i think]; and sometimes the

soreness seems to extend downward toward the front of my abdomen. I

presumed it to be a urinary tract infection. AFAIR it seems to be close

to the same path the pain took when I had the stones. Usually the

soreness goes away in a few days.

A year or few ago when I had the soreness I went to a urologist who

stated that I did not have a kidney infection [after urinalysis] and

suggested that I had probably pulled a muscle. In a few days the

soreness went away.

This time I've had the same type of soreness, but it has been going on

for a month, so I want to have it checked out. No pain most of the

time. Right now I can't even feel it at all. If it is a stone it is

not passing; I would instantly recognize that pain, and be yelling for

morphine sulphate... I believe the urologist said something about the

fact that it might be a stone just starting to attempt to exit, but I'm

not sure.

Thanks for your concern...

>

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> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

> Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:23 pm (PST)

>

> Hopefully not as uncomfortable as the myleogram I had.

> Breath in thru your nose, and very slowly breath out of your mouth.

> That could be the other way around, tho. Just relax and watch the

> show if they let you...maybe ask for a copy of the DVD if they make

> one. <wink>

>

> So, um, what's up? Hows come they're gonna look at you

> in live action? Are you ok or is this just preemptive?

>

> Sam :-o

>

> >

> > I have to go in for a kidney contrast dye test of some kind [sore

> kidney

> > area for a month]. It's a Fluoroscopy IVP W/Tomo. I also will

> have a

> > renal sonogram.

> >

> > I had to do bloodwork first to make sure that there are no

> indications

> > that I should not have the tests done, and have to get that result

> first.

> >

> > The lady at the lab that did the bloodwork indicated the test

> might

> > be very uncomfortable??? Anybody familiar with that? I've had

> contrast

> > x-rays of various kinds before, and other than the junk you have to

> > drink I don't remember anything that particularly bothered me.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

January 24, 2008

OUCH! If it be stones, I hope they be eensy weensy.

Ar

Sam :-O

> > >

> > > I have to go in for a kidney contrast dye test of some kind

[sore

> > kidney

> > > area for a month]. It's a Fluoroscopy IVP W/Tomo. I also will

> > have a

> > > renal sonogram.

> > >

> > > I had to do bloodwork first to make sure that there are no

> > indications

> > > that I should not have the tests done, and have to get that

result

> > first.

> > >

> > > The lady at the lab that did the bloodwork indicated the test

> > might

> > > be very uncomfortable??? Anybody familiar with that? I've had

> > contrast

> > > x-rays of various kinds before, and other than the junk you

have to

> > > drink I don't remember anything that particularly bothered me.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

>

January 24, 2008

Well, why don't you just join the iodine group

and see for yourself, then. Here's the link:

iodine

>

> Maybe you are confused.

> Dusty

>

> Re: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

>

> there are many ppl on iodine group taking iodine who believed they

were

> " allergic " to iodine. It's a whacky world after all.

> maybe it's a big pharma plot to keep us confused and ignorant?

> Gracia

>

> There ya go again, Sam. Ignoring the truth.

January 24, 2008

Sorry but that's a matter of opinion...

> >

> > Maybe you are confused.

> >

>

> .

>

> <http://geo./serv?

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> 35896/stime=1201241185/nc1=5191947/nc2=5191951/nc3=4763762>

> SNIP SNIP

>

January 24, 2008

Dusty, I wasn't commenting on your father,

I was just commenting on contrast dye.

I also had a myleogram and I did not react

well to it, also.

By the way, I don't use my ears to read

emails...

> >

> > There ya go again, Sam. Ignoring the truth. The man was confirmed

> to have

> > an iodine allergy and had to wear a Medic bracelet.

> >

> > You can't change that no matter how many times you post other

info

> to try

> > and cloud the issue. Very clever - but - it is what it is. He was

> > allergic to the iodine.

> >

> > Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

> >

> > Contrast dye is a whole lot different than

> > inorganic iodine/iodide.

January 25, 2008

Me too; but strangely enough a small size stone does not mean a small

size pain. The only one I passed wasn't much bigger than the head of a

pin; but you would have thought I was trying to pass an elephant...

>

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> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

> Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:31 pm (PST)

>

> OUCH! If it be stones, I hope they be eensy weensy.

>

> Ar

>

> Sam :-O

>

> >

> > I've had kidney stones 2 or 3 times a long time ago. Sometimes I

> get a

> > sore area about where my right kidney is [i think]; and sometimes

> the

> > soreness seems to extend downward toward the front of my abdomen.

> I

> > presumed it to be a urinary tract infection. AFAIR it seems to be

> close

> > to the same path the pain took when I had the stones. Usually the

> > soreness goes away in a few days.

> >

> > A year or few ago when I had the soreness I went to a urologist who

> > stated that I did not have a kidney infection [after urinalysis]

> and

> > suggested that I had probably pulled a muscle. In a few days the

> > soreness went away.

> >

> > This time I've had the same type of soreness, but it has been going

> on

> > for a month, so I want to have it checked out. No pain most of the

> > time. Right now I can't even feel it at all. If it is a stone it

> is

> > not passing; I would instantly recognize that pain, and be yelling

> for

> > morphine sulphate... I believe the urologist said something about

> the

> > fact that it might be a stone just starting to attempt to exit, but

> I'm

> > not sure.

> >

> > Thanks for your concern...

> >

January 25, 2008

Oh yea, I thought the same way when I

passed a tiny human being out the birth

canal...twice. :-O

Sam :-D

>

> Me too; but strangely enough a small size stone does not mean a small

> size pain. The only one I passed wasn't much bigger than the head of

a

> pin; but you would have thought I was trying to pass an elephant...

>

January 25, 2008

This article explains how many of the misconceptions about iodine

allergy have arisen. The link is:

http://www.radiology.ucsf.edu/instruction/abdominal/ab_handbook/04-IodineAllergy\

..html

I don't know if it fully addresses all aspects of the issue or not. It

apparently is more concerned with misconceptions about contrast

administration more than anything else.

Quote:

IODINE ALLERGY AND CONTRAST ADMINISTRATION

Patients are frequently asked about iodine or seafood allergy before IV

contrast material is administered because of a commonly held belief

among radiologists and others in the medical community of a specific

cross-reactivity between iodinated radiographic contrast material and

other iodine-rich substances. " Iodine allergy " is often used as a

collective term for adverse reactions to these agents. Patients commonly

provide positive or ambiguous responses to such questions; such

responses are likely to become more common with the increasing

consumption of seafood and the increasing prevalence of allergies in the

general population. Our purpose is to show that iodine does not confer a

specific cross-reactivity between iodine-rich substances, that the

cross-reactivity that does exist is nonspecific, and that the concept of

iodine allergy is fallacious and may result in the inappropriate nonuse

of IV contrast material in patients intolerant of antiseptics or seafood

that contain iodine.

Background Physiology and Immunology

Iodine is an essential trace mineral, required for the synthesis of

thyroid hormones. Ingested iodine is converted to iodide, the ionized

form of iodine, in the gut. Dietary sources include fish, iodized salt,

and iodates used as bread preservatives. Fish is a good source of iodine

because, over the millennia, iodine has been leached from the soil and

washed into the oceans. Iodine in fish may be free, as a substituent for

chlorine, or bound to protein.

To briefly review, the immune system consists of nonspecific and

specific responses. Mediators of nonspecific responses include

phagocytes, complement, and interferon. Specific immune responses, which

require an antigen-antibody interaction, are mediated by B and T

lymphocytes. Simple atoms or molecules such as iodine or contrast

material do not have the complexity required for antigenicity, although

theoretically they might act as haptens. Haptens are agents that are too

small to act as antigens by themselves but that, by binding to larger

carrier molecules, provoke an antibody response to the hapten-carrier

complex. Allergy, or hypersensitivity, is a specific, excessive immune

response to an antigen and results in damage to the host. The most

common type is immunoglobulin E-mediated and is known as anaphylactic or

immediate hypersensitivity.

Iodine and Contrast Material Reactions

Contrast materials are triiodinated benzoic acid derivatives that, in

solution, contain a small amount of free iodide. Adverse reactions to

these substances may be classified as idiosyncratic or nonidiosyncratic.

The mechanism of idiosyncratic reactions is unknown. Among the theories

for such reactions is the allergy theory, which proposes that either

contrast material or iodine acts as a hapten, thus, provoking a specific

immune response. An antigen-antibody reaction then occurs when the

patient is subsequently re-exposed to contrast material. Contrast

materials can cause the formation of antigenic iodoproteins in vitro

[1]. However, the same group of investigators subsequently failed to

show a significant relationship between contrast sensitivity and the

presence of lymphocytes specifically reactive to either contrast

material or iodide [2]. Additionally, attempts to induce antibody

formation in vivo using an animal model have been unsuccessful, despite

optimal conditions [3]. The mechanism of idiosyncratic contrast

reactions is therefore unlikely to be a specific immune response (i.e.,

true allergy) and is more likely due to activation of complement or

other mediators of the nonspecific immune system. Consequently,

idiosyncratic contrast reactions are best termed " anaphylactoid, "

" allergy-like, " or " pseudoallergic, " rather than " allergic. "

Additionally, the activation is almost certainly a function of the

contrast molecule as a whole rather than free iodide. For example, none

of 23 patients with documented contrast sensitivity reacted to

subcutaneous sodium iodide [4].

Nonidiosyncratic reactions are due to direct toxic or osmolar effects.

The only adverse effect of contrast material that can convincingly be

ascribed to free iodide is iodide mumps and other manifestations of

iodism. " Iodide mumps " refers to swelling of the submandibular,

sublingual, and parotid salivary glands after the administration of

intravascular contrast material. It is part of a continuum of

nonidiosyncratic reactions that are due to overload of normal

physiologic pathways of iodide metabolism. This continuum is known as

iodism; it also includes lacrimal gland swelling, coryza, and skin

rashes. Most cases occur in patients with renal impairment, presumably

because reduced renal excretion results in a higher in vivo iodide

concentration.

Iodine and Seafood Intolerance

" Food intolerance " is a general term that includes all exaggerated or

abnormal reactions to food, whether caused by immune or nonimmune

mechanisms. For example, food-borne illness caused by fish and shellfish

may be due to allergy, transmittal of infection, or the presence of

toxins. These different mechanisms are of largely academic interest to

the radiologist, because they may not be distinguishable in a patient

with a history of illness after seafood ingestion. Nonetheless, accurate

use of terminology suggests that such patients are best described as

seafood-intolerant rather than seafood-allergic.

Hypersensitivity reactions to seafood almost always commence within 2 hr

of exposure [4]. Symptoms include pruritus, urticaria, angioedema,

bronchospasm, rhinitis, vomiting, diarrhea, and shock. The

manifestations may be life threatening, even if initial symptoms are

minimal (e.g., tingling in the mouth or throat). The reactions are true

allergies and are probably immunoglobulin E-mediated. For example, 85%

of patients with shellfish sensitivity have positive skin-prick tests to

shrimp extract, the method of choice for revealing tissue immunoglobulin

E. The responsible seafood antigen is at least partially characterized

as the fish equivalent of the muscle protein tropomyosin [4]. No

evidence exists that the iodine content of seafood is related to these

reactions.

Iodine and Antiseptics

The active agent in many commercially available antiseptics is

polyvinylpyrrolidone-iodine. Examples include Betadine (Purdue

Frederick, Norwalk, CT) and Povidine (Alpharma, Baltimore, MD).

Polyvinylpyrrolidone (povidone) is a polymer similar to dextran. It acts

as a carrier that delivers complexed diatomic iodine directly to the

bacterial cell surface. Diatomic iodine is bactericidal, apparently

because of inactivation of essential bacterial enzymes. Adverse

cutaneous reactions to the compound are rare; only two reactions were

recorded in 5000 applications. It is likely that many such reactions are

due to skin irritation rather than allergy, and in any case the iodine

component is probably not involved. None of five patients with a history

of contact dermatitis after povidone-iodine reacted to patch testing

with potassium iodide solution, whereas all reacted to povidone-iodine

[5]. Systemic side effects are extremely rare. Transcutaneous absorption

of iodide in neonates and in bum patients can result in iodism. One case

of a systemic anaphylactoid reaction due to vaginal use of

povidone-iodine has been reported [6].

Cross-Reactivity and Iodine Allergy

Evidence exists of a nonspecific cross-reactivity between contrast

material sensitivity and allergy to seafood, as well as other foods. In

a large review, 5% of 112,003 cases of intravascular ionic contrast

administration resulted in a reaction. The relative risk of a reaction

in patients with seafood allergy (diagnostic criteria unspecified) was

3.0, compared with 2.9 for those with allergy to eggs, milk, or

chocolate; 2.6 for those with allergy to fruit and strawberries; and 2.2

for those with asthma [7]. In other words, a seafood allergy increases

the risk of a contrast reaction by about the same factor, as does any

other allergy. Additionally, these figures suggest that at least 85% of

patients with seafood allergy receiving IV contrast material will not

have an adverse reaction. This risk-benefit profile should be considered

before patients with seafood allergy are denied IV contrast material or

recommended for corticosteroid premedication. We are unaware of any

investigation of contrast reactivity in patients intolerant of

povidone-iodine.

The likely mechanisms of idiosyncratic contrast reactions, seafood

allergies, and povidone-iodine dermatitis are distinct; they are

activation of nonspecific immune mediators by the contrast molecule,

immunoglobulin E-mediated hypersensitivity to fish muscle protein, and

irritant contact dermatitis, respectively. Little evidence exists that

elemental iodine or iodide is responsible for idiosyncratic contrast

reactions or povidone-iodine dermatitis, and no evidence exists that it

is involved in seafood allergy. The notion that iodine confers a

specific cross-reactivity between these agents is unfounded. The term

" iodine allergy " is therefore unfortunate, because it perpetuates

muddled thinking and unsubstantiated beliefs. It should be abandoned and

replaced by more neutral descriptive terms such as " contrast material

sensitivity, " " seafood intolerance, " and " povidone-iodine dermatitis. "

Clinical Implications

Patients reporting iodine or seafood allergy should be questioned as to

the exact nature and severity of the reaction. If possible, seafood

allergy should be distinguished from other causes of seafood

intolerance. The presence of a seafood allergy places the patient at a

threefold risk of an adverse reaction to contrast material. As with any

other allergy, the nature and severity of the reaction should be

considered when choosing the type of contrast material and when

determining the need for a premedication regimen. Seafood allergy should

not of itself be regarded as an absolute contraindication to the

administration of IV contrast material. There is no reason to believe

that iodine allergy based on skin reactions to topical antiseptics is of

any specific relevance to the administration of IV contrast material.

References

1. Nilsson R, Ehrenberg L, Fedorcsak I. Formation of potential

antigens from radiographic contrast media. Acta Radiol 1987; 28:473-77

2. Stejkal V, Nilson R, Grepe A. Immunologic basis for adverse

reactions to radiographic contrast media. Acta Radial 1990; 31:605-612

3. Can- DH, AC. Contrast media reactions: experimental

evidence against the allergy theory. Br J Radiol 1984;57: 469-173

4. Daul CB, JE, Lehrer SB. Hypersensitivity reactions to

Crustacea and mollusks. Clin Rev Allergy 1993,11:201-222

5. Van Ketel WG, van den Berg WHHW. Sensitization to

povidone-iodine. Dermatol din 1990;8: 107-109

6. Waran KD, Munsick RA. Anaphylaxis from povidone-iodine (letter).

Lancet 1995;345: 1506

7. Shehadi WH. Adverse reactions to intravascularly administered

contrast media. AJR 1975;24: 145-152

End of quote.

.

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> graciabee <graciabee>

>

> Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:17 pm (PST)

>

> there are many ppl on iodine group taking iodine who believed they

> were " allergic " to iodine. It's a whacky world after all.

> maybe it's a big pharma plot to keep us confused and ignorant?

> Gracia

>

> There ya go again, Sam. Ignoring the truth. The man was confirmed to have

> an iodine allergy and had to wear a Medic bracelet.

>

> You can't change that no matter how many times you post other info to try

> and cloud the issue. Very clever - but - it is what it is. He was

> allergic to the iodine.

January 25, 2008

It's confusing. Given your medical expertise and knowledge do you find

the article I just posted about the misconceptions of iodine allergy

misleading? If so, which specific parts?

>

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> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

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> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

> Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:25 pm (PST)

>

> dusty-

> that is how I found out I had acquired an hypersensitivity to iodine

> after being exposed to it over and over again through various forms; I

> had a CT scan with contrast dye and went into respiratory arrest in

> the scanner. I also have an acquired reaction to betadine which gives

> me a 3rd degree burn; and of course shell fish and seaweed will cause

> me to have a full blown hypersensitivity reaction. which is a shame

> because I miss eating shellfish.

> xo

> nancie

> RE: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

>

> They no doubt do react and never feel really well - with nagging symptoms

> (as only allergy can produce) all their lives. It is when we OD them with

> dyes containing iodine or meds of that sort that the reaction becomes

> violent.

>

> My father nearly died from an iodine injection back in the 70's. His heart

> stopped and he had to be zapped back to life. The injection was part of a

> mylegram (Sp?) for his WWII spinal injury. For the rest of his life - he

> wore a medical bracelet.

>

> As we boomers have entered into the menopause years, I have friends

> who have

> been found to be allergic to sex hormones, yes compounded bio's as well as

> non bio's.

>

> Dusty

January 25, 2008

, wow, that was a pretty cool read.

Sam :-D

>

> This article explains how many of the misconceptions about iodine

> allergy have arisen. The link is:

>

> http://www.radiology.ucsf.edu/instruction/abdominal/ab_handbook/04-

IodineAllergy.html

January 25, 2008

Sam,

How did you get to this. When I went to the link, it said it could

not be found.

Venizia

> >

> > This article explains how many of the misconceptions about iodine

> > allergy have arisen. The link is:

> >

> > http://www.radiology.ucsf.edu/instruction/abdominal/ab_handbook/04-

> IodineAllergy.html

>

January 25, 2008

was so kind as to include the article in his email.

Sam :-D

> > >

> > > This article explains how many of the misconceptions about

iodine

> > > allergy have arisen. The link is:

> > >

http://www.radiology.ucsf.edu/instruction/abdominal/ab_handbook/04-

> > IodineAllergy.html

> >

>

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