Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Hi Dusty, I am not posting this to defend Gracia, like everyone here she speaks for herself. But I would like to relate a story. About a two years ago my wife, mid 40's, started having a LOT of hip pain, so bad some days her eyes looked glazed and she cried. It got so bad so went to our HMO doctor and they X-rayed it. They told her she had the beginnings of osteoartritis. They told her there was nothing they really could do, but prescribed some huge pain relivers tablets, something like Tylenol with Codine (you get the idea). The pain actually got so bad she bought a cane to walk around a work. Around that time I also started having some problems too and was doing a lot of reading and I tested her blood as well when I did mine. What I found was she was EXTREMELY deficient in Vitamin D, and her female hormones were just about ZERO. Her testosterone level was the only normal level, some of this hormone is made by a females adrenal glands. She was essentially menopausal despite having a monthly cycle and only being in her mid 40's. She paid out of pocket to go to an anti-aging doctor and very long story short...he got her on some progesterone caplets and estrogen gel. I also have been giving her vitmain D3 oil based gels and restored her D3 levels to normal. All of her hormones are now " tuned-up " . We guess what...the osteoartritis is GONE! Not just better, but 100% gone! The cane just sits in the back of her car, never gets used. I am not sure if it was the vitamin D or the restoration of her hormones, we are not about to run a " study " ;-/ to find out which hormone (or prohormone like the vitamin D) is responsible, but she is off the Tylenol and feeling fantastic. Hormones are the Mother root of which many deeper issues are made. Neil :-)))) > > THis is more dangerous blather. Only a true charlatan would address such > every day mundane problems as headache and a sore hip with such dangerous > drugs. These comments show the depth of your addiction or the depth of your > brainwashing. > > Dusty > > Re: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism > > 1) Armour has calcitonen in it, which " fixes " calcium to bone. > > 2) hormones are wonderful, but I have had to seriously decrease the estrogen > and progesterone, b/c of iodine and how it affects hormone receptors. > everything all together has made my teeth bigger! and harder! > hmmmm that could be a comercial for something. > Gracia > > You also are using bio identical sex hormones, which have made your bones > and teeth twice as strong as they used to be. No secret about their > ability to do that. Funny you don't mention it here. > > Here it comes again, that misrepresentation of the wonders of ONLY YOUR > drugs with perfect numbers according to where YOU DESIRE those numbers to be > and not any medical standard. > > Dusty > > ----- > Recent > Recent Activity > a.. 17New Members > Visit Your Group > Meditation and > Lovingkindness > > A Group > > to share and learn. > > Health > Heartburn or Worse > > What symptoms > > are most serious? > > Biz Resources > Y! Small Business > > Articles, tools, > > forms, and more. > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you should insult and slander(blather, charlatan, addiction, brainwashed). Anger, bickering and strife can be addicting too as well as being hard on the adrenals. It can make one sick. People might be hesitant to share successfull therapies for fear of being put down and humiliated. Please, try to be humble and learn from others who have gone down the path ahead of us. If you don't want to follow, you don't have to. ~ Shalom, > > THis is more dangerous blather. Only a true charlatan would address such > every day mundane problems as headache and a sore hip with such dangerous > drugs. These comments show the depth of your addiction or the depth of your > brainwashing. > > Dusty > > Re: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism > > 1) Armour has calcitonen in it, which " fixes " calcium to bone. > > 2) hormones are wonderful, but I have had to seriously decrease the estrogen > and progesterone, b/c of iodine and how it affects hormone receptors. > everything all together has made my teeth bigger! and harder! > hmmmm that could be a comercial for something. > Gracia > > You also are using bio identical sex hormones, which have made your bones > and teeth twice as strong as they used to be. No secret about their > ability to do that. Funny you don't mention it here. > > Here it comes again, that misrepresentation of the wonders of ONLY YOUR > drugs with perfect numbers according to where YOU DESIRE those numbers to be > and not any medical standard. > > Dusty > > ----- > Recent > Recent Activity > a.. 17New Members > Visit Your Group > Meditation and > Lovingkindness > > A Group > > to share and learn. > > Health > Heartburn or Worse > > What symptoms > > are most serious? > > Biz Resources > Y! Small Business > > Articles, tools, > > forms, and more. > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Hello, I usually just lurk here, but I am one who has benefited greatly from Iodine. I have Hashi's. I take 50mg Iodoral per day. I feel great, my skin looks better, and my fibrocystic breast pain is gone. I also have a friend who is taking Iodoral at his doctor's insistance. His anti-bodies started out at over 1000. After two months on Iodoral his anti-bodies were under 500. He looks and feels so much better. So there you have it, two people that have Hashi's and had Iodine help them tremendously. Darla > > > > > > hi Venezia > > I am glad you are happy with your new doc but he is not right > about iodine and hashis. that is conventional thinking and what docs > are taught, but it is not correct. I only wish I had been given > iodine/iodide as a child--it would have saved me from a life of hell. > > Gracia > > > > Hi , > > > > Just met with my new doctor today. I brought up the fact that this is > > a big discussion on our list. He said iodine is definately not good > > for those with hashi's. He is one that treats with Armour and looks > > at FT3 & Ft4 and also TSH. He brought up a patient with Hashi's that > > was taking a multiple vitamin that had iron. She couldn't figure out > > why she felt so bad until she brought up that fact that she was taking > > a vitamin to him. > > > > Wasn't there someone on the list that has hashi's and tried iodine and > > said they didn't do well on it. I am going back into the posts and > > see if I can find that. Or if you are that person maybe you could > > elaborate for us. > > > > By the way, I am very happy with my new doctor today. He is > > definitely up on what works for us. He treats naturally (I know some > > of you do not feel there is anything natural about Armour) Anyway, he > > took is time with me. Is doing my Ft3 and 4 and Ferritin. As for > > adrenals he said that if I had an adrenal problem, my BP would be low > > like in the 90's and it was 126/65 so.....I may still bring it up > > again depending on what he finds out from the blood tests. Once they > > are in we will discuss things further. > > > > Venizia > > > > --- > > Recent Activity > > a.. 17New Members > > Visit Your Group > > Meditation and > > Lovingkindness > > > > A Group > > > > to share and learn. > > > > Health > > Asthma Triggers > > > > How you can > > > > identify them. > > > > Drive Traffic > > Sponsored Search > > > > can help increase > > > > your site traffic. > > . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Ok, answer this about people that actually 'are' allergic to inorganic iodine. Iodine in the body is necessary to be alive, and those people have iodine in their bodies (or they wouldn't be alive), so how come they don't react to the iodine in their bodies, organs, brain, eyes, skin, etc? > > your lack of medical knowledge is showing garcia BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE can take iodine. people who are allergic to any form of iodine can not take it because they can get an severe allergic reaction that could kill them! I know because I am one of them. > one of my docs, prudence hall who has extensive training in natural medicine as well as allopathic medicine concurs about this. she also knows that NOT all people can be on hormone replacement therapy, take lupus patients- it is contraindicated for people who have lupus/sle to take any hormone replacement because they will flare the disease process, just like people who have breast cancer and uterine cancer- you NEVER give them hormone replacement because the hormones drive the cancer. > women who are not in menopause and kids CAN NOT take sex hormone replacement therapy! otherwise you are giving them something that can trigger cancer and other diseases. > I never said good medical care was about using monotherapy. DO NOT PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH. > I was speaking about armour specifically. > like I have said what works for you is great- but it may not work for every other person in the universe. > I am very happy that what you take helps you- I just can't understand why you can't accept that not everyone is like you. even sam, takes more armour than you do- because she needs it. if you feel that we are all the same [gggg] then why don't you take 11 grains of armour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Tina, Thank you for the info.! Could you recommend any holistic docs in the area? (I'm new to B'ham.) --- & Tina <bamachoppers@...> wrote: > Yes her name is Heckemeyer, but she is at > the Mecy hospital Green in Birmingham! Even > though I have health insurance I go there, because > in > my opinion they are the most experienced doctors > around. They've seen it all! I work at U.A.B. > Hospital, and some of our doctors work there as > well. > I work in Orthopedics. > --- Silver <susanjsilver@...> wrote: > > > > > Tina, > > > > I couldn't help but notice the " bama " in your > email. > > Please tell me this lovely doctor that listens to > > you > > is in Alabama! > > > > > > > > --- & Tina <bamachoppers@...> wrote: > > > > > Thank you Chuck...You always answer the real > > > question. > > > Thank everyone so much! My endo. has never given > > > anyone Armour before, but she said " hey I'll try > > > anything within reason to make you feel better! " > > > When > > > I print the responses from some in this group, > she > > > actually reads them! I know it's kinda scary, > but > > I > > > think we are learning about Armour together! > This > > > group is so wonderful! > > > --- Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Tina, > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > ...Does being hypothyroid > > > > > have anything to do with iron deficiency? > > > > > > > > Yes. Without enough FT3, marrow cells slow > > > > production of blood cells > > > > producing anemia. > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > Find them fast with Search. > > > > > > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Dusty, Gracia helped save my life. Sam > > > > I'm not attacking you personally..... I'm attacking the belief > system about > > your kind of medicating that is so wildly absurd and dangerous in > exactly > > the way you do conventional medicine. A headache and a sore hip > will go > > away in minutes to a few hours - adding something as dangerous as > estrogen > > to treat them is absolutely ludicrous. Posting such nonsense is > proof that > > you wish to continue stir the pot. > > > > Dusty > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism > > > > > > > > > > good lord.....what on earth is wrong with you? headache and sore > hip are not > > mundane probs for me--I usually feel good everyday. do you think I > am > > addicted to estrogen? can I ask you to refrain from attacking me > personally? > > I would appreciate it. > > Gracia > > > > THis is more dangerous blather. Only a true charlatan would address > such > > every day mundane problems as headache and a sore hip with such > dangerous > > drugs. These comments show the depth of your addiction or the depth > of your > > brainwashing. > > > > Dusty > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Contrast dye is nasty...it's not uncommon to have bad reactions to that stuff...I don't react well to contrast dyes. I do great on iodoral, tho. You seem to know lot of people that are allergic to everything. You must live in the allergic-to-everything belt of the US. > > > > your lack of medical knowledge is showing garcia BECAUSE NOT > EVERYONE can take iodine. people who are allergic to any form of > iodine can not take it because they can get an severe allergic > reaction that could kill them! I know because I am one of them. > > one of my docs, prudence hall who has extensive training in natural > medicine as well as allopathic medicine concurs about this. she also > knows that NOT all people can be on hormone replacement therapy, take > lupus patients- it is contraindicated for people who have lupus/sle > to take any hormone replacement because they will flare the disease > process, just like people who have breast cancer and uterine cancer- > you NEVER give them hormone replacement because the hormones drive > the cancer. > > women who are not in menopause and kids CAN NOT take sex hormone > replacement therapy! otherwise you are giving them something that can > trigger cancer and other diseases. > > I never said good medical care was about using monotherapy. DO NOT > PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH. > > I was speaking about armour specifically. > > like I have said what works for you is great- but it may not work > for every other person in the universe. > > I am very happy that what you take helps you- I just can't > understand why you can't accept that not everyone is like you. even > sam, takes more armour than you do- because she needs it. if you feel > that we are all the same [gggg] then why don't you take 11 grains of > armour? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Contrast dye is a whole lot different than inorganic iodine/iodide. > > > > > > your lack of medical knowledge is showing garcia BECAUSE NOT > > EVERYONE can take iodine. people who are allergic to any form of > > iodine can not take it because they can get an severe allergic > > reaction that could kill them! I know because I am one of them. > > > one of my docs, prudence hall who has extensive training in > natural > > medicine as well as allopathic medicine concurs about this. she > also > > knows that NOT all people can be on hormone replacement therapy, > take > > lupus patients- it is contraindicated for people who have lupus/sle > > to take any hormone replacement because they will flare the disease > > process, just like people who have breast cancer and uterine cancer- > > > you NEVER give them hormone replacement because the hormones drive > > the cancer. > > > women who are not in menopause and kids CAN NOT take sex hormone > > replacement therapy! otherwise you are giving them something that > can > > trigger cancer and other diseases. > > > I never said good medical care was about using monotherapy. DO > NOT > > PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH. > > > I was speaking about armour specifically. > > > like I have said what works for you is great- but it may not work > > for every other person in the universe. > > > I am very happy that what you take helps you- I just can't > > understand why you can't accept that not everyone is like you. even > > sam, takes more armour than you do- because she needs it. if you > feel > > that we are all the same [gggg] then why don't you take 11 grains > of > > armour? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Now how about the side effects of " low dose " Cortef? > > http://www.drugs.com/sfx/cortef-side-effects.html > > Side effects of Cortef > > > > http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/solucort_ad.htm > > > > Side effect of Solu Cortef > > Fluid and Electrolyte > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3215> Disturbances > > > Sodium <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9969> > retention > > Fluid retention > > Congestive <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=6972> > heart failure in susceptible patients > > Potassium <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=9970> loss > > Hypokalemic alkalosis > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6852> > > Hypertension <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=3846> > > > Musculoskeletal > > > Muscle <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4464> weakness > > Steroid <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=5556> > myopathy <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=4492> > > Loss of muscle mass > > Osteoporosis <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=4686> > > Tendon <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=5732> rupture > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=40106> , particularly > of the Achilles <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=2113> > tendon > > Vertebral compression > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=39885> fractures > > Aseptic <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2366> > necrosis of femoral > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3406> > > and humeral heads > > Pathologic <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=25868> > fracture of long bones > > > Gastrointestinal <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=3555> > > > > Peptic <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4829> ulcer > with possible perforation and hemorrhage > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=14263> Pancreatitis > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4745> Abdominal > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=19269> distention > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=13145> Ulcerative > esophagitis <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=3322> > > Increases in alanine > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=15589> transaminase > (ALT <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6585> , SGPT > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6321> ), aspartate > transaminase (AST > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6611> , SGOT > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6320> ) and alkaline > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=8701> phosphatase have > been observed following corticosteroid > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2849> treatment. > These changes are usually small, not associated with any clinical syndrome > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=5613> and are > reversible upon discontinuation. > > > Dermatologic <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=2952> > > > Impaired wound healing > > Thin fragile skin > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=7901> > > Petechiae <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=4853> and > ecchymoses > > Facial erythema <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=3306> > > Increased sweating > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9299> > > May suppress reactions to skin tests > > > Neurological <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=11748> > > > Convulsions > > Increased intracranial > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=13759> pressure > > with papilledema <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=4757> > (pseudotumor > > cerebri) usually after treatment > > Vertigo <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6129> > > Headache <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=11396> > > > Endocrine <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=25210> > > > Menstrual <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=30736> > irregularities > > Development of Cushingoid > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9080> state > > Suppression of growth in children > > Secondary adrenocortical and > > pituitary <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=21320> > unresponsiveness, > > particularly in times of stress > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=20104> , as > > in trauma <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=8171> , > surgery <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=5603> , or > illness > > Decreased carbohydrate > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6553> tolerance > > Manifestations of latent > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=38176> diabetes > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=11148> > > mellitus > > Increased requirements of insulin > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3989> > > or oral hypoglycemic > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=18046> agents in > > diabetics > > > Ophthalmic <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=4647> > > > Posterior <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=9277> > subcapsular cataracts > > Increased intraocular > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4014> pressure > > Glaucoma <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=3596> > > Exophthalmos <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=3355> > > > Metabolic <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=18074> > > > Negative nitrogen > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=32780> balance due to > protein <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6554> > catabolism <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=11103> > > > The following additional reactions are related to parenteral > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4776> corticosteroid > therapy <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=10897> : > > > Allergic, anaphylactic or other hypersensitivity reactions > > Hyperpigmentation > <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3844> or > > hypopigmentation > > Subcutaneous <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=8265> > and cutaneous <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=2885> > > atrophy <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2389> > > Sterile abscess <http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp? articlekey=2097> > > > > > Re: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism > > > > > you don't know enough about using cortef and iodine, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Huh? All I said was " Contrast dye is a whole lot different than inorganic iodine/iodide. " Where the heck to you get " igoring the truth " from that? Contrast dye " is " a whole lot different than inorganic iodine/iodide. Yes it's " based " on iodine, but it's a compound: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocontrast > > There ya go again, Sam. Ignoring the truth. The man was confirmed to have > an iodine allergy and had to wear a Medic bracelet. > > You can't change that no matter how many times you post other info to try > and cloud the issue. Very clever - but - it is what it is. He was > allergic to the iodine. > > > > Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism > > > > Contrast dye is a whole lot different than > inorganic iodine/iodide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Ahhh, I see. Thank you, Chuck. You're actually the first person I've ever asked that has actually responded with a reasonable explaination. Cool! Sam :-D > > > > Ok, answer this about people that actually 'are' allergic to > > inorganic iodine. Iodine in the body is necessary to be alive, and > > those people have iodine in their bodies (or they wouldn't be alive), > > so how come they don't react to the iodine in their bodies, organs, > > brain, eyes, skin, etc? > > Because it is technically a sensitivity, rather than an allergy, which > means it has a threshold. The threshold dose will vary greatly, but it > is evidently at about 3 mg for most people with the sensitivity. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I have to go in for a kidney contrast dye test of some kind [sore kidney area for a month]. It's a Fluoroscopy IVP W/Tomo. I also will have a renal sonogram. I had to do bloodwork first to make sure that there are no indications that I should not have the tests done, and have to get that result first. The lady at the lab that did the bloodwork indicated the test might be very uncomfortable??? Anybody familiar with that? I've had contrast x-rays of various kinds before, and other than the junk you have to drink I don't remember anything that particularly bothered me. Thanks, > > Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism > <hypothyroidism/message/35839;_ylc=X3oDMTJxcjFob2R\ 2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzU4MzkEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMTIyNDQ0MQ--> > > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@... > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Low%20Iron%20and%20Hypothyroidi\ sm> > stealthwind <stealthwind> > > > Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:07 pm (PST) > > Contrast dye is a whole lot different than > inorganic iodine/iodide. > > > > > > Yeah, I'm sure it can be nasty - but the bottom line is it was > confirmed > > that he reacted tot he iodine and had to avoid it the rest ofhis > life - > > hence the bracelet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Hopefully not as uncomfortable as the myleogram I had. Breath in thru your nose, and very slowly breath out of your mouth. That could be the other way around, tho. Just relax and watch the show if they let you...maybe ask for a copy of the DVD if they make one. <wink> So, um, what's up? Hows come they're gonna look at you in live action? Are you ok or is this just preemptive? Sam :-o > > I have to go in for a kidney contrast dye test of some kind [sore kidney > area for a month]. It's a Fluoroscopy IVP W/Tomo. I also will have a > renal sonogram. > > I had to do bloodwork first to make sure that there are no indications > that I should not have the tests done, and have to get that result first. > > The lady at the lab that did the bloodwork indicated the test might > be very uncomfortable??? Anybody familiar with that? I've had contrast > x-rays of various kinds before, and other than the junk you have to > drink I don't remember anything that particularly bothered me. > > Thanks, > > > > > > Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism > > > > > > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@... > > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Low%20Iron%20and% 20Hypothyroidism> > > stealthwind <stealthwind> > > > > > > Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:07 pm (PST) > > > > Contrast dye is a whole lot different than > > inorganic iodine/iodide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I've had kidney stones 2 or 3 times a long time ago. Sometimes I get a sore area about where my right kidney is [i think]; and sometimes the soreness seems to extend downward toward the front of my abdomen. I presumed it to be a urinary tract infection. AFAIR it seems to be close to the same path the pain took when I had the stones. Usually the soreness goes away in a few days. A year or few ago when I had the soreness I went to a urologist who stated that I did not have a kidney infection [after urinalysis] and suggested that I had probably pulled a muscle. In a few days the soreness went away. This time I've had the same type of soreness, but it has been going on for a month, so I want to have it checked out. No pain most of the time. Right now I can't even feel it at all. If it is a stone it is not passing; I would instantly recognize that pain, and be yelling for morphine sulphate... I believe the urologist said something about the fact that it might be a stone just starting to attempt to exit, but I'm not sure. Thanks for your concern... > > Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism > <hypothyroidism/message/35874;_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2w0MDg\ 0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzU4NzQEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMTIzMjQ0MQ--> > > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@... > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Low%20Iron%20and%20Hypothyroidi\ sm> > stealthwind <stealthwind> > > > Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:23 pm (PST) > > Hopefully not as uncomfortable as the myleogram I had. > Breath in thru your nose, and very slowly breath out of your mouth. > That could be the other way around, tho. Just relax and watch the > show if they let you...maybe ask for a copy of the DVD if they make > one. <wink> > > So, um, what's up? Hows come they're gonna look at you > in live action? Are you ok or is this just preemptive? > > Sam :-o > > > > > > I have to go in for a kidney contrast dye test of some kind [sore > kidney > > area for a month]. It's a Fluoroscopy IVP W/Tomo. I also will > have a > > renal sonogram. > > > > I had to do bloodwork first to make sure that there are no > indications > > that I should not have the tests done, and have to get that result > first. > > > > The lady at the lab that did the bloodwork indicated the test > might > > be very uncomfortable??? Anybody familiar with that? I've had > contrast > > x-rays of various kinds before, and other than the junk you have to > > drink I don't remember anything that particularly bothered me. > > > > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 OUCH! If it be stones, I hope they be eensy weensy. Ar Sam :-O > > > > > > I have to go in for a kidney contrast dye test of some kind [sore > > kidney > > > area for a month]. It's a Fluoroscopy IVP W/Tomo. I also will > > have a > > > renal sonogram. > > > > > > I had to do bloodwork first to make sure that there are no > > indications > > > that I should not have the tests done, and have to get that result > > first. > > > > > > The lady at the lab that did the bloodwork indicated the test > > might > > > be very uncomfortable??? Anybody familiar with that? I've had > > contrast > > > x-rays of various kinds before, and other than the junk you have to > > > drink I don't remember anything that particularly bothered me. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Well, why don't you just join the iodine group and see for yourself, then. Here's the link: iodine > > Maybe you are confused. > Dusty > > Re: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism > > > > > there are many ppl on iodine group taking iodine who believed they were > " allergic " to iodine. It's a whacky world after all. > maybe it's a big pharma plot to keep us confused and ignorant? > Gracia > > There ya go again, Sam. Ignoring the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Sorry but that's a matter of opinion... > > > > Maybe you are confused. > > > > > . > > <http://geo./serv? s=97359714/grpId=145664/grpspId=1709251082/msgId= > 35896/stime=1201241185/nc1=5191947/nc2=5191951/nc3=4763762> > SNIP SNIP > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Dusty, I wasn't commenting on your father, I was just commenting on contrast dye. I also had a myleogram and I did not react well to it, also. By the way, I don't use my ears to read emails... > > > > There ya go again, Sam. Ignoring the truth. The man was confirmed > to have > > an iodine allergy and had to wear a Medic bracelet. > > > > You can't change that no matter how many times you post other info > to try > > and cloud the issue. Very clever - but - it is what it is. He was > > allergic to the iodine. > > > > > > > > Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism > > > > > > > > Contrast dye is a whole lot different than > > inorganic iodine/iodide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Me too; but strangely enough a small size stone does not mean a small size pain. The only one I passed wasn't much bigger than the head of a pin; but you would have thought I was trying to pass an elephant... > > Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism > <hypothyroidism/message/35887;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbXUyOW4\ 2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzU4ODcEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMTI0MjkwNg--> > > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@... > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Low%20Iron%20and%20Hypothyroidi\ sm> > stealthwind <stealthwind> > > > Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:31 pm (PST) > > OUCH! If it be stones, I hope they be eensy weensy. > > Ar > > Sam :-O > > > > > > I've had kidney stones 2 or 3 times a long time ago. Sometimes I > get a > > sore area about where my right kidney is [i think]; and sometimes > the > > soreness seems to extend downward toward the front of my abdomen. > I > > presumed it to be a urinary tract infection. AFAIR it seems to be > close > > to the same path the pain took when I had the stones. Usually the > > soreness goes away in a few days. > > > > A year or few ago when I had the soreness I went to a urologist who > > stated that I did not have a kidney infection [after urinalysis] > and > > suggested that I had probably pulled a muscle. In a few days the > > soreness went away. > > > > This time I've had the same type of soreness, but it has been going > on > > for a month, so I want to have it checked out. No pain most of the > > time. Right now I can't even feel it at all. If it is a stone it > is > > not passing; I would instantly recognize that pain, and be yelling > for > > morphine sulphate... I believe the urologist said something about > the > > fact that it might be a stone just starting to attempt to exit, but > I'm > > not sure. > > > > Thanks for your concern... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Oh yea, I thought the same way when I passed a tiny human being out the birth canal...twice. :-O Sam :-D > > Me too; but strangely enough a small size stone does not mean a small > size pain. The only one I passed wasn't much bigger than the head of a > pin; but you would have thought I was trying to pass an elephant... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 This article explains how many of the misconceptions about iodine allergy have arisen. The link is: http://www.radiology.ucsf.edu/instruction/abdominal/ab_handbook/04-IodineAllergy\ ..html I don't know if it fully addresses all aspects of the issue or not. It apparently is more concerned with misconceptions about contrast administration more than anything else. Quote: IODINE ALLERGY AND CONTRAST ADMINISTRATION Patients are frequently asked about iodine or seafood allergy before IV contrast material is administered because of a commonly held belief among radiologists and others in the medical community of a specific cross-reactivity between iodinated radiographic contrast material and other iodine-rich substances. " Iodine allergy " is often used as a collective term for adverse reactions to these agents. Patients commonly provide positive or ambiguous responses to such questions; such responses are likely to become more common with the increasing consumption of seafood and the increasing prevalence of allergies in the general population. Our purpose is to show that iodine does not confer a specific cross-reactivity between iodine-rich substances, that the cross-reactivity that does exist is nonspecific, and that the concept of iodine allergy is fallacious and may result in the inappropriate nonuse of IV contrast material in patients intolerant of antiseptics or seafood that contain iodine. Background Physiology and Immunology Iodine is an essential trace mineral, required for the synthesis of thyroid hormones. Ingested iodine is converted to iodide, the ionized form of iodine, in the gut. Dietary sources include fish, iodized salt, and iodates used as bread preservatives. Fish is a good source of iodine because, over the millennia, iodine has been leached from the soil and washed into the oceans. Iodine in fish may be free, as a substituent for chlorine, or bound to protein. To briefly review, the immune system consists of nonspecific and specific responses. Mediators of nonspecific responses include phagocytes, complement, and interferon. Specific immune responses, which require an antigen-antibody interaction, are mediated by B and T lymphocytes. Simple atoms or molecules such as iodine or contrast material do not have the complexity required for antigenicity, although theoretically they might act as haptens. Haptens are agents that are too small to act as antigens by themselves but that, by binding to larger carrier molecules, provoke an antibody response to the hapten-carrier complex. Allergy, or hypersensitivity, is a specific, excessive immune response to an antigen and results in damage to the host. The most common type is immunoglobulin E-mediated and is known as anaphylactic or immediate hypersensitivity. Iodine and Contrast Material Reactions Contrast materials are triiodinated benzoic acid derivatives that, in solution, contain a small amount of free iodide. Adverse reactions to these substances may be classified as idiosyncratic or nonidiosyncratic. The mechanism of idiosyncratic reactions is unknown. Among the theories for such reactions is the allergy theory, which proposes that either contrast material or iodine acts as a hapten, thus, provoking a specific immune response. An antigen-antibody reaction then occurs when the patient is subsequently re-exposed to contrast material. Contrast materials can cause the formation of antigenic iodoproteins in vitro [1]. However, the same group of investigators subsequently failed to show a significant relationship between contrast sensitivity and the presence of lymphocytes specifically reactive to either contrast material or iodide [2]. Additionally, attempts to induce antibody formation in vivo using an animal model have been unsuccessful, despite optimal conditions [3]. The mechanism of idiosyncratic contrast reactions is therefore unlikely to be a specific immune response (i.e., true allergy) and is more likely due to activation of complement or other mediators of the nonspecific immune system. Consequently, idiosyncratic contrast reactions are best termed " anaphylactoid, " " allergy-like, " or " pseudoallergic, " rather than " allergic. " Additionally, the activation is almost certainly a function of the contrast molecule as a whole rather than free iodide. For example, none of 23 patients with documented contrast sensitivity reacted to subcutaneous sodium iodide [4]. Nonidiosyncratic reactions are due to direct toxic or osmolar effects. The only adverse effect of contrast material that can convincingly be ascribed to free iodide is iodide mumps and other manifestations of iodism. " Iodide mumps " refers to swelling of the submandibular, sublingual, and parotid salivary glands after the administration of intravascular contrast material. It is part of a continuum of nonidiosyncratic reactions that are due to overload of normal physiologic pathways of iodide metabolism. This continuum is known as iodism; it also includes lacrimal gland swelling, coryza, and skin rashes. Most cases occur in patients with renal impairment, presumably because reduced renal excretion results in a higher in vivo iodide concentration. Iodine and Seafood Intolerance " Food intolerance " is a general term that includes all exaggerated or abnormal reactions to food, whether caused by immune or nonimmune mechanisms. For example, food-borne illness caused by fish and shellfish may be due to allergy, transmittal of infection, or the presence of toxins. These different mechanisms are of largely academic interest to the radiologist, because they may not be distinguishable in a patient with a history of illness after seafood ingestion. Nonetheless, accurate use of terminology suggests that such patients are best described as seafood-intolerant rather than seafood-allergic. Hypersensitivity reactions to seafood almost always commence within 2 hr of exposure [4]. Symptoms include pruritus, urticaria, angioedema, bronchospasm, rhinitis, vomiting, diarrhea, and shock. The manifestations may be life threatening, even if initial symptoms are minimal (e.g., tingling in the mouth or throat). The reactions are true allergies and are probably immunoglobulin E-mediated. For example, 85% of patients with shellfish sensitivity have positive skin-prick tests to shrimp extract, the method of choice for revealing tissue immunoglobulin E. The responsible seafood antigen is at least partially characterized as the fish equivalent of the muscle protein tropomyosin [4]. No evidence exists that the iodine content of seafood is related to these reactions. Iodine and Antiseptics The active agent in many commercially available antiseptics is polyvinylpyrrolidone-iodine. Examples include Betadine (Purdue Frederick, Norwalk, CT) and Povidine (Alpharma, Baltimore, MD). Polyvinylpyrrolidone (povidone) is a polymer similar to dextran. It acts as a carrier that delivers complexed diatomic iodine directly to the bacterial cell surface. Diatomic iodine is bactericidal, apparently because of inactivation of essential bacterial enzymes. Adverse cutaneous reactions to the compound are rare; only two reactions were recorded in 5000 applications. It is likely that many such reactions are due to skin irritation rather than allergy, and in any case the iodine component is probably not involved. None of five patients with a history of contact dermatitis after povidone-iodine reacted to patch testing with potassium iodide solution, whereas all reacted to povidone-iodine [5]. Systemic side effects are extremely rare. Transcutaneous absorption of iodide in neonates and in bum patients can result in iodism. One case of a systemic anaphylactoid reaction due to vaginal use of povidone-iodine has been reported [6]. Cross-Reactivity and Iodine Allergy Evidence exists of a nonspecific cross-reactivity between contrast material sensitivity and allergy to seafood, as well as other foods. In a large review, 5% of 112,003 cases of intravascular ionic contrast administration resulted in a reaction. The relative risk of a reaction in patients with seafood allergy (diagnostic criteria unspecified) was 3.0, compared with 2.9 for those with allergy to eggs, milk, or chocolate; 2.6 for those with allergy to fruit and strawberries; and 2.2 for those with asthma [7]. In other words, a seafood allergy increases the risk of a contrast reaction by about the same factor, as does any other allergy. Additionally, these figures suggest that at least 85% of patients with seafood allergy receiving IV contrast material will not have an adverse reaction. This risk-benefit profile should be considered before patients with seafood allergy are denied IV contrast material or recommended for corticosteroid premedication. We are unaware of any investigation of contrast reactivity in patients intolerant of povidone-iodine. The likely mechanisms of idiosyncratic contrast reactions, seafood allergies, and povidone-iodine dermatitis are distinct; they are activation of nonspecific immune mediators by the contrast molecule, immunoglobulin E-mediated hypersensitivity to fish muscle protein, and irritant contact dermatitis, respectively. Little evidence exists that elemental iodine or iodide is responsible for idiosyncratic contrast reactions or povidone-iodine dermatitis, and no evidence exists that it is involved in seafood allergy. The notion that iodine confers a specific cross-reactivity between these agents is unfounded. The term " iodine allergy " is therefore unfortunate, because it perpetuates muddled thinking and unsubstantiated beliefs. It should be abandoned and replaced by more neutral descriptive terms such as " contrast material sensitivity, " " seafood intolerance, " and " povidone-iodine dermatitis. " Clinical Implications Patients reporting iodine or seafood allergy should be questioned as to the exact nature and severity of the reaction. If possible, seafood allergy should be distinguished from other causes of seafood intolerance. The presence of a seafood allergy places the patient at a threefold risk of an adverse reaction to contrast material. As with any other allergy, the nature and severity of the reaction should be considered when choosing the type of contrast material and when determining the need for a premedication regimen. Seafood allergy should not of itself be regarded as an absolute contraindication to the administration of IV contrast material. There is no reason to believe that iodine allergy based on skin reactions to topical antiseptics is of any specific relevance to the administration of IV contrast material. References 1. Nilsson R, Ehrenberg L, Fedorcsak I. Formation of potential antigens from radiographic contrast media. Acta Radiol 1987; 28:473-77 2. Stejkal V, Nilson R, Grepe A. Immunologic basis for adverse reactions to radiographic contrast media. Acta Radial 1990; 31:605-612 3. Can- DH, AC. Contrast media reactions: experimental evidence against the allergy theory. Br J Radiol 1984;57: 469-173 4. Daul CB, JE, Lehrer SB. Hypersensitivity reactions to Crustacea and mollusks. Clin Rev Allergy 1993,11:201-222 5. Van Ketel WG, van den Berg WHHW. Sensitization to povidone-iodine. Dermatol din 1990;8: 107-109 6. Waran KD, Munsick RA. Anaphylaxis from povidone-iodine (letter). Lancet 1995;345: 1506 7. Shehadi WH. Adverse reactions to intravascularly administered contrast media. AJR 1975;24: 145-152 End of quote. . .. > > > Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism > <hypothyroidism/message/35890;_ylc=X3oDMTJxcGkzM2J\ kBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzU4OTAEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMTI0MjkwNg--> > > > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Low%20Iron%20and%20Hypothyroidism> > graciabee <graciabee> > > > Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:17 pm (PST) > > > there are many ppl on iodine group taking iodine who believed they > were " allergic " to iodine. It's a whacky world after all. > maybe it's a big pharma plot to keep us confused and ignorant? > Gracia > > There ya go again, Sam. Ignoring the truth. The man was confirmed to have > an iodine allergy and had to wear a Medic bracelet. > > You can't change that no matter how many times you post other info to try > and cloud the issue. Very clever - but - it is what it is. He was > allergic to the iodine. 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Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 It's confusing. Given your medical expertise and knowledge do you find the article I just posted about the misconceptions of iodine allergy misleading? If so, which specific parts? > > Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism > <hypothyroidism/message/35898;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdDcxb2p\ qBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzU4OTgEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMTI0MjkwNg--> > > > > Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@... > <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Low%20Iron%20and%20Hypothyroidism> > aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1> > > > Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:25 pm (PST) > > dusty- > that is how I found out I had acquired an hypersensitivity to iodine > after being exposed to it over and over again through various forms; I > had a CT scan with contrast dye and went into respiratory arrest in > the scanner. I also have an acquired reaction to betadine which gives > me a 3rd degree burn; and of course shell fish and seaweed will cause > me to have a full blown hypersensitivity reaction. which is a shame > because I miss eating shellfish. > xo > nancie > RE: Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism > > They no doubt do react and never feel really well - with nagging symptoms > (as only allergy can produce) all their lives. It is when we OD them with > dyes containing iodine or meds of that sort that the reaction becomes > violent. > > My father nearly died from an iodine injection back in the 70's. His heart > stopped and he had to be zapped back to life. The injection was part of a > mylegram (Sp?) for his WWII spinal injury. For the rest of his life - he > wore a medical bracelet. > > As we boomers have entered into the menopause years, I have friends > who have > been found to be allergic to sex hormones, yes compounded bio's as well as > non bio's. > > Dusty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 , wow, that was a pretty cool read. Sam :-D > > This article explains how many of the misconceptions about iodine > allergy have arisen. The link is: > > http://www.radiology.ucsf.edu/instruction/abdominal/ab_handbook/04- IodineAllergy.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Sam, How did you get to this. When I went to the link, it said it could not be found. Venizia > > > > This article explains how many of the misconceptions about iodine > > allergy have arisen. The link is: > > > > http://www.radiology.ucsf.edu/instruction/abdominal/ab_handbook/04- > IodineAllergy.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 was so kind as to include the article in his email. Sam :-D > > > > > > This article explains how many of the misconceptions about iodine > > > allergy have arisen. The link is: > > > > > > http://www.radiology.ucsf.edu/instruction/abdominal/ab_handbook/04- > > IodineAllergy.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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