Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

January 19, 2008

Being hypo has a lot to do with everything. You were under-dosed on the

Armour and that is why you were feeling tired. Good that you have a doc who

will give you Armour!

cw

-- Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

Hello, I have not been on for a while. I was on 1

grain of Armour for 1 year, and started feeling so

very tired all the time. Last time I saw doc about

three weeks ago she said that my iron was very low 6%

saturated? What does this mean? She put me on 3 grains

of Armour and iron! My fingernails are actually

growing and I feel much better. In 2005 my iron was

really low. My question is...Does being hypothyroid

have anything to do with iron deficiency? Thanks

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January 19, 2008

I guess I need to read more! But 3 grains of Armour

sounds like so much especially when I have half of my

thyroid. No?

--- Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

> Being hypo has a lot to do with everything. You

> were under-dosed on the

> Armour and that is why you were feeling tired. Good

> that you have a doc who

> will give you Armour!

> cw

> -- Low Iron and

> Hypothyroidism

>

> Hello, I have not been on for a while. I was on 1

> grain of Armour for 1 year, and started feeling so

> very tired all the time. Last time I saw doc about

> three weeks ago she said that my iron was very low

> 6%

> saturated? What does this mean? She put me on 3

> grains

> of Armour and iron! My fingernails are actually

> growing and I feel much better. In 2005 my iron was

> really low. My question is...Does being hypothyroid

> have anything to do with iron deficiency? Thanks

>

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January 19, 2008

It's actually a minimal dose for most people. I take 3 grains. Some on

here take up to 11 grains.

cw

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> Hypothyroidism

>

> Hello, I have not been on for a while. I was on 1

> grain of Armour for 1 year, and started feeling so

> very tired all the time. Last time I saw doc about

> three weeks ago she said that my iron was very low

> 6%

> saturated? What does this mean? She put me on 3

> grains

> of Armour and iron! My fingernails are actually

> growing and I feel much better. In 2005 my iron was

> really low. My question is...Does being hypothyroid

> have anything to do with iron deficiency? Thanks

>

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January 19, 2008

I don't believe in the method of dosing to how you feel exclusively because

there could be

other reasons you do or don't feel well. I think testing is important too,

otherwise you are

operating in the dark, and too much thyroid can give you heart problems.

Roni

& Tina <bamachoppers@...> wrote:

I guess I need to read more! But 3 grains of Armour

sounds like so much especially when I have half of my

thyroid. No?

--- Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

> Being hypo has a lot to do with everything. You

> were under-dosed on the

> Armour and that is why you were feeling tired. Good

> that you have a doc who

> will give you Armour!

> cw

> -- Low Iron and

> Hypothyroidism

>

> Hello, I have not been on for a while. I was on 1

> grain of Armour for 1 year, and started feeling so

> very tired all the time. Last time I saw doc about

> three weeks ago she said that my iron was very low

> 6%

> saturated? What does this mean? She put me on 3

> grains

> of Armour and iron! My fingernails are actually

> growing and I feel much better. In 2005 my iron was

> really low. My question is...Does being hypothyroid

> have anything to do with iron deficiency? Thanks

>

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The manufacturer suggests that 3 grains is a maximum dose.

Roni

Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

It's actually a minimal dose for most people. I take 3 grains. Some on

here take up to 11 grains.

cw

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> Hypothyroidism

>

> Hello, I have not been on for a while. I was on 1

> grain of Armour for 1 year, and started feeling so

> very tired all the time. Last time I saw doc about

> three weeks ago she said that my iron was very low

> 6%

> saturated? What does this mean? She put me on 3

> grains

> of Armour and iron! My fingernails are actually

> growing and I feel much better. In 2005 my iron was

> really low. My question is...Does being hypothyroid

> have anything to do with iron deficiency? Thanks

>

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Yes, but most of us take more.

-- Low Iron and

> Hypothyroidism

>

> Hello, I have not been on for a while. I was on 1

> grain of Armour for 1 year, and started feeling so

> very tired all the time. Last time I saw doc about

> three weeks ago she said that my iron was very low

> 6%

> saturated? What does this mean? She put me on 3

> grains

> of Armour and iron! My fingernails are actually

> growing and I feel much better. In 2005 my iron was

> really low. My question is...Does being hypothyroid

> have anything to do with iron deficiency? Thanks

>

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Are you prescribed more, or do you just take more on your own?

Roni

Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

Yes, but most of us take more.

-- Low Iron and

> Hypothyroidism

>

> Hello, I have not been on for a while. I was on 1

> grain of Armour for 1 year, and started feeling so

> very tired all the time. Last time I saw doc about

> three weeks ago she said that my iron was very low

> 6%

> saturated? What does this mean? She put me on 3

> grains

> of Armour and iron! My fingernails are actually

> growing and I feel much better. In 2005 my iron was

> really low. My question is...Does being hypothyroid

> have anything to do with iron deficiency? Thanks

>

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That's what I am rx'd

cw

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> Hypothyroidism

>

> Hello, I have not been on for a while. I was on 1

> grain of Armour for 1 year, and started feeling so

> very tired all the time. Last time I saw doc about

> three weeks ago she said that my iron was very low

> 6%

> saturated? What does this mean? She put me on 3

> grains

> of Armour and iron! My fingernails are actually

> growing and I feel much better. In 2005 my iron was

> really low. My question is...Does being hypothyroid

> have anything to do with iron deficiency? Thanks

>

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January 19, 2008

Dr. Derry in Canada used to start ppl on 3 grains and move up from there. He

was right.

Gracia

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January 20, 2008

I think that things are different for everyone. For my

16 year old sister, for example, we caught her hashi's

early with a TSH of 5 and high antibodies. Now, all

she needs to take is about 1.25 grains and this gives

her a TSH of about 0.8 I think? We did have her on two

grains for a while but she shot into hyper T mode with

a 0.03 TSH and complained of a pounding heart and

shakiness.

Peace,

--- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> Dr. Derry in Canada used to start ppl on 3 grains

> and move up from there. He was right.

> Gracia

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Tina,

You wrote:

> ...Does being hypothyroid

> have anything to do with iron deficiency?

Yes. Without enough FT3, marrow cells slow production of blood cells

producing anemia.

Chuck

January 20, 2008

Then you probably need it.

Roni

Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

That's what I am rx'd

cw

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> Hypothyroidism

>

> Hello, I have not been on for a while. I was on 1

> grain of Armour for 1 year, and started feeling so

> very tired all the time. Last time I saw doc about

> three weeks ago she said that my iron was very low

> 6%

> saturated? What does this mean? She put me on 3

> grains

> of Armour and iron! My fingernails are actually

> growing and I feel much better. In 2005 my iron was

> really low. My question is...Does being hypothyroid

> have anything to do with iron deficiency? Thanks

>

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The dose of 1.25 grains sounds a little too low for a complete dose. Usually

Hashi's patients require more to fully suppress their anti bodies and feel

well. Usually a full dose of Armour will get the TSH much lower, almost

zero.

I appreciate what you are saying about her feeling ill in taking 2 grains,

but sometimes people feel ill (fast heart, headaches, bowel upset) by

increasing the dosage too fast. Usually you have to increase a quarter grain

about every 7-10 days. It is common to have a headache for a day or so after

doing so.

Are her FT3 and FT4 levels in the top third of the range?

Neil

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I think that things are different for everyone. For my

16 year old sister, for example, we caught her hashi's

early with a TSH of 5 and high antibodies. Now, all

she needs to take is about 1.25 grains and this gives

her a TSH of about 0.8 I think? We did have her on two

grains for a while but she shot into hyper T mode with

a 0.03 TSH and complained of a pounding heart and

shakiness.

Peace,

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>

> Dr. Derry in Canada used to start ppl on 3 grains

> and move up from there. He was right.

> Gracia

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Re: Low Iron and Hypothyroidism

I think that things are different for everyone. For my

16 year old sister, for example, we caught her hashi's

early with a TSH of 5 and high antibodies. Now, all

she needs to take is about 1.25 grains and this gives

her a TSH of about 0.8 I think? We did have her on two

grains for a while but she shot into hyper T mode with

a 0.03 TSH and complained of a pounding heart and

shakiness.

Peace,

--- Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> > wrote:

>

> Dr. Derry in Canada used to start ppl on 3 grains

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Neil-

From what my Mom told me, she was increasing it very

slowly ... I was the one saying she should increase it

by more lol. A TSH in the 0.03 range is scary to me

and her free T3 was way higher than the normal range.

We caught her hypoT so early I don't think we should

make her numbers go to the hyperT side that

drastically. I don't see how a significant amount of

her thyroid could have been killed with a TSH of only

5. I'll ask my Mom how she's doing ... she may be

taking a higher dose now because she started birth

control (please save the religious speeches everyone).

Thanks for the comments though :-)

Peace,

--- neil <neilneil@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> The dose of 1.25 grains sounds a little too low for

> a complete dose. Usually

> Hashi's patients require more to fully suppress

> their anti bodies and feel

> well. Usually a full dose of Armour will get the TSH

> much lower, almost

> zero.

>

> I appreciate what you are saying about her feeling

> ill in taking 2 grains,

> but sometimes people feel ill (fast heart,

> headaches, bowel upset) by

> increasing the dosage too fast. Usually you have to

> increase a quarter grain

> about every 7-10 days. It is common to have a

> headache for a day or so after

> doing so.

>

> Are her FT3 and FT4 levels in the top third of the

> range?

>

> Neil

>

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> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:02 AM

> hypothyroidism

> Subject: Re: Low Iron and

> Hypothyroidism

>

> I think that things are different for everyone. For

> my

> 16 year old sister, for example, we caught her

> hashi's

> early with a TSH of 5 and high antibodies. Now, all

> she needs to take is about 1.25 grains and this

> gives

> her a TSH of about 0.8 I think? We did have her on

> two

> grains for a while but she shot into hyper T mode

> with

> a 0.03 TSH and complained of a pounding heart and

> shakiness.

>

> Peace,

>

> --- Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> >

> wrote:

>

> >

> > Dr. Derry in Canada used to start ppl on 3 grains

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> > Gracia

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Interesting that her FT3 was so high on that dose, everyone is so very

different....hope she continues to do better and better.

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Neil-

From what my Mom told me, she was increasing it very

slowly ... I was the one saying she should increase it

by more lol. A TSH in the 0.03 range is scary to me

and her free T3 was way higher than the normal range.

We caught her hypoT so early I don't think we should

make her numbers go to the hyperT side that

drastically. I don't see how a significant amount of

her thyroid could have been killed with a TSH of only

5. I'll ask my Mom how she's doing ... she may be

taking a higher dose now because she started birth

control (please save the religious speeches everyone).

Thanks for the comments though :-)

Peace,

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wrote:

> ,

>

> The dose of 1.25 grains sounds a little too low for

> a complete dose. Usually

> Hashi's patients require more to fully suppress

> their anti bodies and feel

> well. Usually a full dose of Armour will get the TSH

> much lower, almost

> zero.

>

> I appreciate what you are saying about her feeling

> ill in taking 2 grains,

> but sometimes people feel ill (fast heart,

> headaches, bowel upset) by

> increasing the dosage too fast. Usually you have to

> increase a quarter grain

> about every 7-10 days. It is common to have a

> headache for a day or so after

> doing so.

>

> Are her FT3 and FT4 levels in the top third of the

> range?

>

> Neil

>

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> hypothyroidism@ <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

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> Hypothyroidism

>

> I think that things are different for everyone. For

> my

> 16 year old sister, for example, we caught her

> hashi's

> early with a TSH of 5 and high antibodies. Now, all

> she needs to take is about 1.25 grains and this

> gives

> her a TSH of about 0.8 I think? We did have her on

> two

> grains for a while but she shot into hyper T mode

> with

> a 0.03 TSH and complained of a pounding heart and

> shakiness.

>

> Peace,

>

> --- Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net>

<mailto:circe%40gwi.net> >

> wrote:

>

> >

> > Dr. Derry in Canada used to start ppl on 3 grains

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> > Gracia

> >

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Yes, but either I need more or compounded Armour sucks!

cw

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> Hello, I have not been on for a while. I was on 1

> grain of Armour for 1 year, and started feeling so

> very tired all the time. Last time I saw doc about

> three weeks ago she said that my iron was very low

> 6%

> saturated? What does this mean? She put me on 3

> grains

> of Armour and iron! My fingernails are actually

> growing and I feel much better. In 2005 my iron was

> really low. My question is...Does being hypothyroid

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I started on Armour recently, and I think I feel better. I am aware of the

placebo effect, so

I always reserve judgement on such things till I am sure it's real. How come

you are taking

compounded Armour and not filling the rx you got?

Roni

Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

Yes, but either I need more or compounded Armour sucks!

cw

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>

> Hello, I have not been on for a while. I was on 1

> grain of Armour for 1 year, and started feeling so

> very tired all the time. Last time I saw doc about

> three weeks ago she said that my iron was very low

> 6%

> saturated? What does this mean? She put me on 3

> grains

> of Armour and iron! My fingernails are actually

> growing and I feel much better. In 2005 my iron was

> really low. My question is...Does being hypothyroid

> have anything to do with iron deficiency? Thanks

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Neil,

You wrote:

> ... Usually Hashi's patients require more to fully suppress their anti bodies

and feel

> well....

This is more complete nonsense. Please give us one bit of scientific or

documented evidence to support your claim that Armour suppresses

antibodies.

At least you seem to be consistent.

Chuck

January 20, 2008

So we have a pharmaceutical company recommending a maximum dose that is

less than optimal for AVERAGE use??? They must not like to make money...

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> graciabee <graciabee>

>

> Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:49 pm (PST)

>

> Dr. Derry in Canada used to start ppl on 3 grains and move up from

> there. He was right.

> Gracia

>

> The manufacturer suggests that 3 grains is a maximum dose.

> Roni

January 20, 2008

Thank you Chuck...You always answer the real question.

Thank everyone so much! My endo. has never given

anyone Armour before, but she said " hey I'll try

anything within reason to make you feel better! " When

I print the responses from some in this group, she

actually reads them! I know it's kinda scary, but I

think we are learning about Armour together! This

group is so wonderful!

--- Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

> Tina,

>

> You wrote:

> > ...Does being hypothyroid

> > have anything to do with iron deficiency?

>

> Yes. Without enough FT3, marrow cells slow

> production of blood cells

> producing anemia.

>

> Chuck

>

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January 20, 2008

Tina,

I couldn't help but notice the " bama " in your email.

Please tell me this lovely doctor that listens to you

is in Alabama!

--- & Tina <bamachoppers@...> wrote:

> Thank you Chuck...You always answer the real

> question.

> Thank everyone so much! My endo. has never given

> anyone Armour before, but she said " hey I'll try

> anything within reason to make you feel better! "

> When

> I print the responses from some in this group, she

> actually reads them! I know it's kinda scary, but I

> think we are learning about Armour together! This

> group is so wonderful!

> --- Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

>

> > Tina,

> >

> > You wrote:

> > > ...Does being hypothyroid

> > > have anything to do with iron deficiency?

> >

> > Yes. Without enough FT3, marrow cells slow

> > production of blood cells

> > producing anemia.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

>

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January 20, 2008

Forest Labs [i think] makes Armour and set the maximum dosage

recommendation. Are you saying Forest Labs sets this limit to keep

people sick, so they will have to buy other products that Forest Labs makes?

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> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

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> graciabee <graciabee>

>

> Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:05 pm (PST)

>

> sure they like to make money---on their patented drugs. if you are

> undertreated for thyroid then you will need psych drugs, cholesterol,

> rheumi etc etc.

> Gracia

>

> So we have a pharmaceutical company recommending a maximum dose that is

> less than optimal for AVERAGE use??? They must not like to make money...

>

January 20, 2008

The rx I got was for compounded Armour. I am working on getting a new rx.

Doc is out til feb.

cw

-- Low Iron and

> Hypothyroidism

>

> Hello, I have not been on for a while. I was on 1

> grain of Armour for 1 year, and started feeling so

> very tired all the time. Last time I saw doc about

> three weeks ago she said that my iron was very low

> 6%

> saturated? What does this mean? She put me on 3

> grains

> of Armour and iron! My fingernails are actually

> growing and I feel much better. In 2005 my iron was

> really low. My question is...Does being hypothyroid

> have anything to do with iron deficiency? Thanks

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January 21, 2008

Uh, Chuck? I've been told by Hashi's people doing this, that at their

individual full replacement doses of Armour, with taking adrenal

support (where necessary), and selenium (and magnesium where

necessary), that their antibodies are no longer measurable.

Sam

(thyroidless since 1990)

> > ... Usually Hashi's patients require more to fully suppress their

anti bodies and feel

> > well....

>

> This is more complete nonsense. Please give us one bit of

scientific or

> documented evidence to support your claim that Armour suppresses

> antibodies.

>

> At least you seem to be consistent.

>

> Chuck

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