Supplements

[Guest guest]

Not sure, but I thought Nexium was calcium carbonate. I seem to

remember that being one of the things you should not take with Synthroid.

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> Supplements

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> Posted by: " babe61ca " babe61ca@...

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> babe61ca <babe61ca>

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>

> Sun Apr 6, 2008 7:45 pm (PDT)

>

> I was wondering if anyone can help me out.. First, I take 75mg

> synthroid in the am with Nexium. Could there be a conflict? Also I

> drink coffee around this time. I was also wondering.. I take CLA to

> help with belly fat and it has worked off and on for me, will this

> interfere with the synthroid?.. Any help would be appreciated.

> .

> Deb

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

> Not sure, but I thought Nexium was calcium carbonate. I seem to

> remember that being one of the things you should not take with Synthroid.

Nexium is esomeprazole magnesium, rather than calcium carbonate, but it

does interact with calcium. It also interacts with thyroxine levels,

like furosemide, but this is not an absorption issue.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Thanks; I guess I confused it with something else...

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> Posted by: " Chuck B " gumboyaya@...

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> gumbo482001 <gumbo482001>

>

>

> Wed Apr 9, 2008 4:19 pm (PDT)

>

> ,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > Not sure, but I thought Nexium was calcium carbonate. I seem to

> > remember that being one of the things you should not take with

> Synthroid.

>

> Nexium is esomeprazole magnesium, rather than calcium carbonate, but it

> does interact with calcium. It also interacts with thyroxine levels,

> like furosemide, but this is not an absorption issue.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

,

Do you have any symptoms besides a degenerative spine. Did they call it

Degenerative Disc Disease (not really a disease by the way)? The are lots of

things you can do to increase the longevity of your spine depending on what your

specific problems is. For example....

- Ensure you are not over weight.

- Keep hamstrings limber through massage and stretches.

- I know a number of people who swear by the inversion tables that they use just

5 min in the

morning and 5 min at night which helps them.

- Some other folks swear by their chiropractor.

- I would ensure you are getting enough calcium in you diet along with a

multi-vitamin.

- With regard to supplements' some people say that glucosamine and chondroitin

supplements'

help them.

- Have good posture and ensure you bend at the knees to pick up items and don't

pickup

anything too heavy.

- Get some exercise such as swimming, cycling and walking and avoid big impact

sports like

running, tennis, etc.

That's my two cents I am sure there are others in this group that have their

views as well.

Not that misery loves company but know that you are not alone .. there are

MILLIONS of people

with spine problems. I think the stats are at any given time there are 31

million people with a

back problem.

Stay Well

-

spinal problems@...:

heatherboles79@...: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 15:31:29 +0000Subject: [spinal

Disorders Support] Supplements

I have been diagnosed with a degenerative spine. I am only 29. I am so scared

that I cannot put it into words. I know that you cannot rebuild your bones, but

are there any supplements that I can take to prevent further degeneration? Thank

you all for you support!

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Yes, there definitely are herbs that you can take that will help.

Let me go grab the bottles and let you know...just a sec...

If you go to the health food vitamin store and tell them about your

situation they will direct you to a number of supplements.

Here is a list of things I take, tho I don't have a degenerative spine,

I do have an injury and need to take what I can to keep an otherwise

healthy spine:

Bone-up (which is a superior calcium formula, reduces bone loss)

Bromelain (is for anti-inflammatory agent, you may not need)

Glucosamine Chondroitin with MSM-(for joint health still deals

with bones and movement..)

They use to have something that was specific for " bone and joints "

but I haven't been able to find it anymore...

also, there is a vitimin supplement that is specific for women and osteoporosis

which I think would help in your situation, that increases bone density.

If you smoke or are malnourished you want to look at those things and

get the nourishment's your body needs...if you exercise to excess that can

deplete you body.

I use to drink a lot of milk and perhaps that is why my bones are so

good, get sun and exercise...vit D also...

Blessings to you , I am sure others will have some impute

for you...that will help you out.

Joanne

Supplements

I have been diagnosed with a degenerative spine. I am only 29. I am

so scared that I cannot put it into words. I know that you cannot

rebuild your bones, but are there any supplements that I can take to

prevent further degeneration? Thank you all for you support!

[Guest guest]

, Thank you so much for your advice. I got out today and got the

supplements... I know I need to lose weight, I am 30lbs over weight

and maybe this is the kick in the behind that I need to get my life

together. Once again thanks for your response.

>

>

> ,

> Do you have any symptoms besides a degenerative spine. Did they

call it Degenerative Disc Disease (not really a disease by the way)?

The are lots of things you can do to increase the longevity of your

spine depending on what your specific problems is. For example....

> - Ensure you are not over weight.

> - Keep hamstrings limber through massage and stretches.

> - I know a number of people who swear by the inversion tables that

they use just 5 min in the

> morning and 5 min at night which helps them.

> - Some other folks swear by their chiropractor.

> - I would ensure you are getting enough calcium in you diet along

with a multi-vitamin.

> - With regard to supplements' some people say that glucosamine and

chondroitin supplements'

> help them.

> - Have good posture and ensure you bend at the knees to pick up

items and don't pickup

> anything too heavy.

> - Get some exercise such as swimming, cycling and walking and avoid

big impact sports like

> running, tennis, etc.

>

> That's my two cents I am sure there are others in this group that

have their views as well.

>

> Not that misery loves company but know that you are not alone ..

there are MILLIONS of people

> with spine problems. I think the stats are at any given time there

are 31 million people with a

> back problem.

>

> Stay Well

> -

>

>

>

>

> spinal problems@...: heatherboles79@...: Sun, 6 Jul

2008 15:31:29 +0000Subject: Supplements

>

>

>

>

> I have been diagnosed with a degenerative spine. I am only 29. I am

so scared that I cannot put it into words. I know that you cannot

rebuild your bones, but are there any supplements that I can take to

prevent further degeneration? Thank you all for you support!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Joanne,

Thanks so much for taking the time to write. I got out and got some

glucosamine and a really good calcium supplement (i detest milk and

gave it up right after breastfeeding!) I have to lose some weight,

and think that this is going to have to be my wake up call...Thanks

again for listening!

heather

>

> Hi ,

> Yes, there definitely are herbs that you can take that will help.

> Let me go grab the bottles and let you know...just a sec...

> If you go to the health food vitamin store and tell them about your

> situation they will direct you to a number of supplements.

> Here is a list of things I take, tho I don't have a degenerative

spine,

> I do have an injury and need to take what I can to keep an otherwise

> healthy spine:

> Bone-up (which is a superior calcium formula, reduces bone loss)

> Bromelain (is for anti-inflammatory agent, you may not need)

> Glucosamine Chondroitin with MSM-(for joint health still deals

> with bones and movement..)

> They use to have something that was specific for " bone and joints "

> but I haven't been able to find it anymore...

> also, there is a vitimin supplement that is specific for women and

osteoporosis

> which I think would help in your situation, that increases bone

density.

>

> If you smoke or are malnourished you want to look at those things

and

> get the nourishment's your body needs...if you exercise to excess

that can

> deplete you body.

>

> I use to drink a lot of milk and perhaps that is why my bones are so

> good, get sun and exercise...vit D also...

>

> Blessings to you , I am sure others will have some impute

> for you...that will help you out.

>

> Joanne

>

> Supplements

>

>

> I have been diagnosed with a degenerative spine. I am only 29. I

am

> so scared that I cannot put it into words. I know that you cannot

> rebuild your bones, but are there any supplements that I can take

to

> prevent further degeneration? Thank you all for you support!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good Sweetie,

Glad you started with something that will make a

difference.

Also, I don't know if you are experiencing any back

pain, but if you are and need to get some exercise with

out taxing your back, walking in a pool will help strengthen

your back. The idea that you are doing something that is not

weight baring and yet has some resistance is quite effective.

Try and do something so you can gain somestrength in your

back and build muscle tone up your spine.

All very good for helping you.

I have a girlfriend who had some serious back issues and she

was able to get her life back by walking in a pool and she is a

lot more that 30lbs over weight...she is doing well now.

Blessings,

Joanne

Supplements

>

>

> I have been diagnosed with a degenerative spine. I am only 29. I

am

> so scared that I cannot put it into words. I know that you cannot

> rebuild your bones, but are there any supplements that I can take

to

> prevent further degeneration? Thank you all for you support!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

> I please need some help with the supplements. The hardest part are

the

> A's en D's.

>

> I have a Cod liver oil capsules with 397 mcg A (1312 IE) and 3,4

(136

> IE) mcg D. That means I should take about 20 of them to get the

right

> amount of A and the D will be to much. Not a good idea.

>

> Besides that I have vit.A (retinylpalmitaat)4000ie

> and vit D.of wich 1 drop contains 10 mcg D3, wich gives about 400

IE.

> So should I only take a day:

> 5 of the A supplement (makes 20.000IE) and

> and 2 drops of the D (makes 800 IE)

> and leave the Cod LIver oil alone?

> I would aprraciate some light in the darkness. Until now I only

took 1

> Cod Liver oil capsule a day.

==>Hi Magda. Sorry you are having such difficulties with vitamin

A & D. I'm not familiar with the measurement of IE, did you mean to

type IU, which stands for International Units, which is usually how

A, D, & E are measured?

You can take 16 of those Cod Liver Oil capsules quite safely, which

provides 20,992 IU vitamin A and 2,176 IU vitamin D. That isn't too

much vitamin D, since most people nowadays require 5,000 IUs for many

months to even bring their vitamin D levels up to normal. If you are

concerned have your doctor check your vitamin D levels.

Does the Cod liver oil contain any omega 3, i.e. EPA and DHA? If

not, you still need to get omega 3.

Are you sure the D3 drops were converted from mcgs to IUs correctly?

To convert mcg to IU take mcg times 3.3, i.e. 10 mcg x 3.3 = 33 IU,

so you'd need 25 drops of that product to get 825 IU.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

Thank you so much for your answers. IE is just dutch for IU, sorry.

I thought that 1 mcg A = 3,33 IU, but that 1 mcg D = 40 IU and that

1mcg E = 1 IU. I read that somewere. Is that wrong? It makes a lot of

difference. It is very confusing all these IU's and mcg's.

I bought a new brand vit. C. So that problem is solved.

Thank you for all your help.

Magda

> >

> > Hi,

> > I please need some help with the supplements. The hardest part

are

> the

> > A's en D's.

> >

> > I have a Cod liver oil capsules with 397 mcg A (1312 IE) and 3,4

> (136

> > IE) mcg D. That means I should take about 20 of them to get the

> right

> > amount of A and the D will be to much. Not a good idea.

> >

> > Besides that I have vit.A (retinylpalmitaat)4000ie

> > and vit D.of wich 1 drop contains 10 mcg D3, wich gives about 400

> IE.

> > So should I only take a day:

> > 5 of the A supplement (makes 20.000IE) and

> > and 2 drops of the D (makes 800 IE)

> > and leave the Cod LIver oil alone?

> > I would aprraciate some light in the darkness. Until now I only

> took 1

> > Cod Liver oil capsule a day.

>

> ==>Hi Magda. Sorry you are having such difficulties with vitamin

> A & D. I'm not familiar with the measurement of IE, did you mean

to

> type IU, which stands for International Units, which is usually how

> A, D, & E are measured?

>

> You can take 16 of those Cod Liver Oil capsules quite safely, which

> provides 20,992 IU vitamin A and 2,176 IU vitamin D. That isn't

too

> much vitamin D, since most people nowadays require 5,000 IUs for

many

> months to even bring their vitamin D levels up to normal. If you

are

> concerned have your doctor check your vitamin D levels.

>

> Does the Cod liver oil contain any omega 3, i.e. EPA and DHA? If

> not, you still need to get omega 3.

>

> Are you sure the D3 drops were converted from mcgs to IUs

correctly?

> To convert mcg to IU take mcg times 3.3, i.e. 10 mcg x 3.3 = 33 IU,

> so you'd need 25 drops of that product to get 825 IU.

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

> Thank you so much for your answers. IE is just dutch for IU, sorry.

> I thought that 1 mcg A = 3,33 IU, but that 1 mcg D = 40 IU and that

> 1mcg E = 1 IU. I read that somewere. Is that wrong? It makes a lot of

> difference. It is very confusing all these IU's and mcg's.

++You may be right about 1 mcg D = 40 IU. I couldn't find the

translation for vitamin D specifically. Do you have a reference?

>

> I bought a new brand vit. C. So that problem is solved.

> Thank you for all your help.

++Good for you!

Luv, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> In a message dated 7/30/08 10:05:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> writes:

>

>

> > The timing starts once you are completely on the diet and

> > taking all of the supplements.

> >

> > I was advised to take Apple Pectin to deal with the candida die-

off. What do others take for this? I have heard that the die-off is

very toxic and dangerous.

>

==>Hi . No applect pectin is sugar and it feeds candida. No,

die-off is not dangerous!!!

May I please request that you get on the same page with the rest of

the members by reading the information. Actually it is required

reading before posting questions, etc. which is written in the rules,

guidelines and introduction emailed to you when you joined.

TIA, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> I am just beginning the program and am trying to get all of my

> supplements together. Can anyone recommend a good mail order source

> for vitamin c, b complex and magnesium in a tablet that can be

split.

> Mine are 600 mg in capsule form so it's hard to divide them. Also,

Dr.

> Mercola recommends krill oil as a good source of omega 3 on his

> website, mercola.com. Is this acceptable? He also recommends the D>

lite system for getting your vitamin d naturally. It's a little

> expensive but if it works, and I can get well, I'm willing to spend

the

> money and it would eliminate having to take cod liver oil or vit.d.

> Any thoughts on this?

>

Hi Peggy. Where you buy products depends upon what country you live

in. Would you post another message with your country, and ask for help

from the group? Or you can search our Message archives for the

information which has been posted many times before.

You can dump out part of your magnesium capsule and mix it into food,

Bee's Egg Drink, or water to take it. Krill oil is good. I'm not

familiar with the D-lite system but if it provides vitamin D, that's

great! But also take vitamin A from a fish liver oil, i.e. cod,

halibut or shark.

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> " Hi Kate. Are they the " citrate " form, and ensure it states

> the " elemental amount " of calcium or magnesium on the label. That is

> the amount your body will absorb. If it doesn't state " elemental

> amount " you'll need to take 40% more to get enough of them. You get

> as closed to 300 mg twice a day without going too far over that

> amount. The total needs to be 600 mg per of each. "

>

> I looked at my bottles of each, and both say that they are 100%

> Natural Elemental. I don't know what you mean my " citrate, " though.

My

> magnesium says it's 200mg Amino Acid Chelate, and on the back it

says,

> Magnesium (oxide). My Calcium also says it is 200mg Amino Acid

> Chelate, and on the back it says Calcium (Carbonate). Are these the

> right kind of supplements? I was planning on taking one of each with

> breakfast and the same at dinner, along with my other supplements.

Hi Kate. No, those are the wrong kind. Re-check the supplements list

which says you buy calcium and magnesium " citrate. " The form you

bought is amino acids that are usually made from soy, which is a no-

no. Does it say " soy-free " on the label?

You need to take 300 mg of each two times a day (a total of 600 mg of

elemental calcium citrate, and of elemental magnesium citrate per

day). See the supplements list and the 2nd article here for the

doses, etc.:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu2_4_3.php

Bee

[Guest guest]

OK.

ProBoost is a powdered sublingual supplement that's probably the best

available product on the market to support the thymus gland. This

gland regulates the immune system. Its performance falls off

precipitously as most people age (even by 35, you're operating on half

rations); and it's pretty well wrecked in people whose immune systems

have been grappling with something like Lyme for a long time.

PB was first developed for AIDS patients, and a great many of them are

on it now. You can find it online for about $38 for a box of 30

packets. You have to take it easy at first, because it absolutely will

cause herxing for 2-3 weeks as your thymus kicks into gear and your

immune system goes to work on whatever crap you've got on board. But

I've used it daily for three years now, and am amazed at how much more

energy I have because my body's not having to fight quite so hard to

stay even.

NAC is N-acetyl-l-cysteine. It's a supplement that's also essential

for good immune function. Specifically in my case, it helped make my

immune system smarter and less prone to overreact to the wrong thing

-- which meant fewer allergies and sensitivities. Great if you've got

asthma, MCS, or any of the other off-the-wall inflammatory or immune

stuff that ails us. It's also very important to the manufacture of

glutathione, which I'm not going into here except to mention that

glutathione disruption is a (perhaps THE) central problem that the

Lyme causes in our bodies. I take 1000-1200mg twice a day.

MSM is a form of sulfur that's essential for good cell function. Since

the Lyme is attacking our cells constantly, this helps us stay ahead

of the damage. It's especially good for collagen -- and since Lyme

hits our collagen first and hardest, this makes it even more useful.

NADH is also called Enada. It's a nucleotide that's central to energy

processing at the cellular level, which is right where the Lyme is

messing us up. I was put on 20mg/day by a CFS/LLMD in LA four years

ago, and saw my energy rise significantly within two weeks.

Quercetin is a flavinoid found in many fruits. It has incredible anti-

inflammatory properties. It's very commonly given to MS patients to

keep their immune systems calm enough not to attack their nerve

tissue. In Lymies, it can really help control joint pain from the bugs

eating our collagen. Beyond that, many of the side issues of Lyme,

including diabetes and endocrine disruptions, are directly caused by

out-of-control inflammatory reactions.

My LLMD suggested I take it whenever I take abx, because it is very

effective at moderating herx reactions without reducing the

effectiveness of the antibiotic. I take 600-1200 mg at a go, and it

really does make the clarithromycin go down far easier.

Sara

On Oct 23, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Caughman wrote:

> Sara,

> You mention taking supplements:

>

> besides the ProBoost, I take NAC, MSM, NADH, quercetin,

>

> Can you kindly explain what these are for the benefit of us newbies?

>

> Many thanks.

> Caughman

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

I go to a naturopathic physician/nutritionist who specializes in Lyme

Disease treatment. True, I have to submit the bills after I see her (and pay

out-of-pocket), but it's so worth it. I think it's best to have a

professional advise us about the supplements we personally need by having

tests done. My person gives IV treatments of specific vitamins, etc. That's

my two cents on the subject.

Janet

Santa Cruz, CA

[Guest guest]

Good Morning Bee,

My son sent me this info posted in his newspaper.

Was alarming.

Could you reply please

Lola

http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2008/11/you_docs_dont_monkey_with_coc\

o.html

[Guest guest]

>

> Good Morning Bee,

>

> My son sent me this info posted in his newspaper.

>http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2008/11/you_docs_dont_monk

ey_with_coco.html

+++Hi Lola. If saturated fats were unhealthy and caused heart

disease then how come heart disease was rare prior to

industrialization of foods, since those were the only fats and oils

mankind had available? If you've read my articles you also know that

the Cholesterol Theory is totally false. Here's an article on the

true cause of heart disease:

http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/hd.html

The fact is every single cell in the body requires saturated fats

direct from nature, since cell membranes must be constructed out of

50% saturated fat in order to be healthy; otherwise they are weak -

lung cell membranes require 100% saturated fat.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee...

> If a person is consuming dairy such as cheese and kefir, could they

> still take 600 mg of eggshell calcium and magnesium, or would they

be

> taking too much at that point?

+++Hi Mike. It is possible they wouldn't need as much cal/mag from

supplements. I take 175 mg cal and 300-450 mag daily since I have

cheese and cream.

> Also, if one is not following the strict candida diet, would it be

beneficial to take all the other supplements as well, or would that

be supplying these nutrients in excess as well?

+++You wouldn't need to be concerned about getting too many water

soluble supplements, which are vitamins B & C, since your body throws

off whatever it doesn't require.

+++Since our diets contain too much omega 6, and inadequate levels of

omega 3 (they should be balanced 50/50), fish oil or cod liver oil

are important unless you eat enough fish that contains good levels of

omega 3. If a person doesn't get enough sun exposure for vitamin D,

it is also important, and vitamins A & D work together.

+++I think everyone needs at least 400 IU vitamin E per day, which

wouldn't be too much. I take 800 IU per day.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> I got some more supplements today, and I just want to make sure

> they're the right ones...

>

> I got this Norwegian Cod Liver Oil by TwinLab. One teaspoon

> contains:

> 4615 IU of Vitamin A

> 462 IU Vitamin D

> 554 mg of EPA

> 369 mg of DHA.

>

> I was thinking about taking two teaspoons a day and then taking,

> separately, 10,000 IU of just vitamin A. Does that sound about

right?

+++Hi Kate. Yes, that is correct.

>

> Also, I just picked up a different brand of sea salt. It's

> called " Eden Sea Salt, " - French Celtic Hand Harvested. It is not

> rocky like the last sea salt I got; Instead, it looks more like

> sand. On the jar, it says it is " hand harvested sea salt from

> treasured salt marshes " that is then " finely stone ground " and

> offers " a wealth of trace minerals. " Does this sound like the real

> deal? I still have the receipt, so I can take it back if need be.

+++Sorry, that isn't the correct sea salt, mainly because it doesn't

come from the ocean. FYI: The larger the crystals the more minerals

ocean sea salt contains; even finely ground Celtic sea salt will

contain less minerals than large crystals. Also the presence of

minerals is indicated by the color, which should be gray, and the sea

salt should also be moist.

>

> Thanks so much for your help! Happy and Healthy Holidays everyone!

+++You are welcome and thanks for the greeting!

Luv, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> How do people deal with the change in supplements?

> I am on lugals solutions and nature-throid right now.

>

> Of course my holistic MD has me on other supplements as well.

> selenium, molybdenum, (ATP cofactors-Riboflavin 100mg and Niacin

500mg (2 x a day))

> (the niacin is as inositol hexanicotinate) Is that the right kind

of niacin?

+++Hi Doris. As you finish up each of your current supplements,

start on the ones recommended. No, that isn't the correct kind of

niacin, which is Vitamin B3. The one you have doesn't cause a flush

like " true " niacin does, so it isn't effective for detoxifying, etc.

Why are you taking it?

>

> I had a blood test that says I have a defective gene for

methylation which I was told means I can't utilize my b vitamins so I

am taking the following:

> DMG complete - riboflavin 50mg , folinic acid 800mcg, vit. B12

6mcg, Dimethyglycine HCI (DMG) and choline 50 mg 2x/day.

+++Take what you have and then start on the B vitamins I recommend.

DNA is corrected with " proper nutrients, " elimination of toxins and

foods that feed candida, and by improving digestion.

> I also realize he has me on high levels of D3 drops (6,000) per day

and I take cod liver oil but was never told what amount to take. A

naturopath had me taking 2 tbsp of blue ice CLO a day a few years

ago. He said you can't get too much when A and D are together in

fish oil.

+++Wow, 6,000 IUs of D3 is a lot, and in addition to cod liver oil?

You should just take cod liver oil in the Winter, and follow my other

recommendations for the Summer.

> I haven't been taking any calcium. Who can you trust? Wow no

wonder my body is confused!

+++Yuppers!

> I need to keep going back to this doctor to have my thyroid levels

checked. How do people tell their doctors they want to go off all

the supplements? (They sell them at their office.)

+++That depends upon the doctor. I'd wait until your tests change,

since your doctor should be lowering your meds accordingly. If he

doesn't, see him about lowering them. However, in the meantime your

thyroid tests will go up and down, which follows the pattern of how

your thyroid was messed up from the beginning.

+++How long ago did you start to have thyroid problems, and then I

can advise you better.

> I would be dropping niacin from my 1000mg a day to 100. Do I do

this gradually?

+++You can finish taking what you have, and then start on " true "

Niacin (B3) - see this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/niacin.php

Bee

[Guest guest]

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>

> +++How long ago did you start to have thyroid problems, and then I

> can advise you better.

I have had thyroid problems for 14 years. I suspected yeast after reading Dr.

Crook's

book after the birth of my first child. I tried on my own with his diet but it

didn't help. A

friend told me about DR. Broda ' work on thyroid where you take you waking

basel

body temp. My temps were too high for a few months then too low.

After 2 miscarriages and being diagnosed with fibromyalgia I went on armor

thyroid. 2

months later I conceived my daughter. I stayed on thyroid for 18 months but

when my

body temp came up I quit taking it. I had another child 2 years later and

another 2 years

after that. During that time I struggled with food allergies and my third baby

had thrush.

I then had 2 more miscarriages and I went back on thyroid.

Three years ago I think my body shut down from stress and that is when my

problems got

severe. My daughter had the tip of her finger 3/4 severed and then got

infected and I was

in the hospital while they tried IV antibiotics to help her. She did recover

but I came down

with terrible chronic fatigue and all the candida symptoms. (I didn't think of

that though.)

I couldn't function for months.

With my heart racing a naturopath suggested I go off my thyroid so I did. I

didn't notice

much difference. I've been eating Nourishing Traditions diet for four years and

have done

different strict diets.including SCD and GAPs in the last year. Stool samples

have said I

can't tolerate gluten or casein. I will start feeling better and add fruit and

some honey

back in and I am down in a slump again. I also am supper sensitive to mold.

Last winter we had mold remediation done on our home and had moved out for

several

months.

Last spring I had hashimotos numbers with OK TSH. Since then I went to a

holistic doc

who started me on Lugal's in July. In September my blood tests showed much

worse TSH

and bad hashimotos so he started me on naturethryoid. After a month my numbers

weren't any better so he increased my dose to 1gr.

I've had another blood test now but I don't know the results.

I do wonder if I don't respond to thyroid med because my adrenals haven't been

addressed.

I guess this means it would take 15 months on the diet to get better. I am not

sure when

to start reducing my thyroid med.

Doris

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[Guest guest]

>+++ I was never able to take B-vitamin supplements. I peed them all out. But

now, I

take Nutritional Yeast Flakes. Two tablespoons a day in water is the dose. I

also am

taking the HCl which I mentioned to you before, it helps me utilize everything.

The Flakes

have all B's in them except niacin which you will need to buy separately.

> How do people deal with the change in supplements?

> I am on lugals solutions and nature-throid right now.

++++ One thing to bear in mind is that Bee has designed a diet that is full of

nutrition.

So, she is recommending supps that fill in the cracks of our Candida diet that

has lots of

good fats, low, low sugar, no grains, etc. So her supp guidelines are the

perfect match

with the diet. (Most docs act like they need to prescribe all the B vitamins

you will need

plus maybe two to three times that amount because they never seem to realize

that you

should be receiving most of your B vitamins from FOOD!!!!)

Another thing to realize is that the vitamins all work in RATIOS... when you

take too much

of one or two, or in your present case: several vitamins, you throw off the

ratios and can

actually cause yourself to be depleted of essential vitamins because one of them

is too

high. It throws the ratio off

>

> Of course my holistic MD has me on other supplements as well.

> selenium, molybdenum, (ATP cofactors-Riboflavin 100mg and Niacin 500mg (2 x a

day))

> (the niacin is as inositol hexanicotinate) Is that the right kind of niacin?

+++ The correct form is niacinimide.

>

> I had a blood test that says I have a defective gene for methylation which I

was told

means

> I can't utilize my b vitamins

+++Try the Yeast flakes and the HCl...

so I am taking the following :

> DMG complete - riboflavin 50mg , folinic acid 800mcg, vit. B12 6mcg,

Dimethyglycine

HCI

> (DMG) and choline 50 mg 2x/day.

> I also realize he has me on high levels of D3 drops (6,000) per day and I take

cod liver

oil

> but was never told what amount to take. A naturopath had me taking 2 tbsp of

blue ice

> CLO a day a few years ago. He said you can't get too much when A and D are

together

in

> fish oil.

++++ Whoa. Check Bee's site for the correct dosage. She has a page on the top

brands

and their correct dosage .. Just search cod liver il. But, I seem to recall

that Blue Ice is one

of the more potent brands and two Tablespoons may be too much. Bee's site will

tell you

how much and whether you need to supplement with Vit A in the form of fish liver

oil.

> I haven't been taking any calcium. Who can you trust?

> Wow no wonder my body is confused!

> I need to keep going back to this doctor to have my thyroid levels checked.

How do

> people tell their doctors they want to go off all the supplements? (They sell

them at their

> office.)

+++ Supps sold at doctor offices are always overpriced. I would suggest you

just tell

them you want to get the " formula " from your doctor and that you will then

purchase your

own vitamins because you need to save money. Then ignore their recommendations

because most doctors have very little true nutritional training and much of what

you need

is included in whole food form on Bee's diet. She has supplemented the diet

with vitamins

that take into account the anti-Candida protocol. You need the calcium and

magnesium

right now, for example, because you will be limiting your dairy to butter. As

for calcium, I

take Solgar and NOW brands. They do not state the elemental amount, so I take

40%

more. Plus, as you will read in the calcium/magnesium section, these two supps

are

highly personal. I experienced muscle cramps on my left leg which suggested

that I

needed to up my magnesium or reduce my calcium. You have to fine tune and

listen to

your body with those two.

> I would be dropping niacin from my 1000mg a day to 100. Do I do this

gradually?

+++ Bee will have good advice about this.

> Help!

> Doris

>

+++ All the best,

Marissa

[Guest guest]

+++How long ago did you start to have thyroid problems,

and then I can advise you better.

>

> I have had thyroid problems for 14 years.

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+++Doris, it will take 14 months for your thyroid (and adrenals) to

normalize. I recommend getting your thyroid tested again after

you've been on this program for 6 months, and then test it every 2

months twice (that will take you to 10 months of healing). After

that test it every 6 weeks. During that time your thyroid tests may

go up and down, but it should start normalizing about 1 year on this

program, so your meds must be lowered accordingly, otherwise your

thyroid will go into a tizzy from low to high suddenly.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> +++ The correct form is niacinimide.

+++Marissa. Correction - the correct form is niacin (B3) and not

niacinimide which is synthetic.

Luv, Bee