losing weight

[Guest guest]

I did not say that. You are twisting my words so go piss off

-- Re: Losing Weight

>>

>> Come on now... this is a hypothyroid forum. Am I actually hearing that

> when

>> you all got diagnosed as hypothyroid you didn't suddenly have a problem

> with

>> gaining weight? I was lifting hundreds of pounds with weightlifting and

>> running 5 miles 5 times a week and started to get fat! No diet change.

>>

>> If I lower my levoxyl by 12.5 mcg for a month I will be 10 pound heavier

> in

>> less than 60 days. In fact if I wanted to lose 10 pounds I would adjust

it

>> upward and it would fall off... I would be a bit jittery but it

definitely

>> speeds up my metabolism.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

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to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

I guess you are having trouble following posts read can you, I was not

addressing you UNLESS you have multiple ideinties, which is classic of a

TROLL

-- Re: Losing Weight

>

> Come on now... this is a hypothyroid forum. Am I actually hearing that

when

> you all got diagnosed as hypothyroid you didn't suddenly have a problem

with

> gaining weight? I was lifting hundreds of pounds with weightlifting and

> running 5 miles 5 times a week and started to get fat! No diet change.

>

> If I lower my levoxyl by 12.5 mcg for a month I will be 10 pound heavier

in

> less than 60 days. In fact if I wanted to lose 10 pounds I would adjust it

> upward and it would fall off... I would be a bit jittery but it definitely

> speeds up my metabolism.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> F

>

> --

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

I guess you are having trouble following posts , I was not addressing you

UNLESS you have multiple ID's, which is classic of a TROLL

-- Re: Losing Weight

>

> Come on now... this is a hypothyroid forum. Am I actually hearing that

when

> you all got diagnosed as hypothyroid you didn't suddenly have a problem

with

> gaining weight? I was lifting hundreds of pounds with weightlifting and

> running 5 miles 5 times a week and started to get fat! No diet change.

>

> If I lower my levoxyl by 12.5 mcg for a month I will be 10 pound heavier

in

> less than 60 days. In fact if I wanted to lose 10 pounds I would adjust it

> upward and it would fall off... I would be a bit jittery but it definitely

> speeds up my metabolism.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> F

>

> --

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, it was a guess as to why you made two conflicting statements and I

made clear that I was guessing as to a possible resolution - why the

statements weren't necessarily conflicting based on my understanding of

your position on 0 calorie and 500 calorie diets. What you said was in

quotes in the post. What I said were clearly my words.

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> I did not say that. You are twisting my words so go piss off

I appreciate active participation in an email list and would never tell

you to go away.

Cheers,

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Steve-

sorry about telling you to go piss off, but the whole debate was getting to

be a drag.

You don't agree with me and I don't agree with you.

But, at least you did not call me a troll or imply that I was nuts or lying,

so we have to agree to disagree on this topic.

Cheers

-- Re: Re: Losing Weight

Well, it was a guess as to why you made two conflicting statements and I

made clear that I was guessing as to a possible resolution - why the

statements weren't necessarily conflicting based on my understanding of

your position on 0 calorie and 500 calorie diets. What you said was in

quotes in the post. What I said were clearly my words.

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> I did not say that. You are twisting my words so go piss off

I appreciate active participation in an email list and would never tell

you to go away.

Cheers,

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Peace to you.

Steve

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> Steve-

> sorry about telling you to go piss off, but the whole debate was getting to

> be a drag.

> You don't agree with me and I don't agree with you.

> But, at least you did not call me a troll or imply that I was nuts or lying,

> so we have to agree to disagree on this topic.

> Cheers

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

and group...

 

I'm so glad that you have been able to lower you weight and it's effecst on your

body. That takes a LOT of self-control and inner strength.

 

When I say that losing weight will help everyone who has  bad back and is

carrying a little extra. I do mean that across the board. It doesn't mean it

will cure your problem, but it WILL decrease pain...absolutely. Even me....I'm

5'4 " and I weigh 140. It's not overweight at all, but my natural weight is

closer to 130 and I can feel a big difference in my pain when I fluctuate

towards 150. Hold a ten pond weight in front of you...it's a decent amount of

weight. Now, if you had that on your back, no big deal. your spine is able to

carry a tremendous axial load...it is NOT however capable of carrying the

weight, when it's pulling from the front, without negative side effects. The

disks start slipping and sliding and the muscles pull and tense up.

 

That being said, no matter what is wrong with your back, if you are carrying

some extra weight, it WILL help to lose it. people who are not even pverweight

but carrying a little extra...can ALL benefit from losing a little.

 

Which brings me to think....(and please don't anyone take offense as I am

included in this)....why is it that we have the power to HELP the pain by

keeping our weight down and working our core to keep it strong...but we often

fail to do so? I know when I do my tummy exercizes that are gentle, they make my

pain much better. But I fail to do them on a regular basis. Why is that. I gorge

on sweets and don't eat a healthy diet so I carry a little " fluff " around my

middle. I think for me ,and I know others here feel this way also, I eat when

I'm hurting and depressed and tired. I say that it gives me one little speck of

happiness when everything else fails. But maybe I wouldn't hurt so bad if I took

better care of my body.

 

I'd like to hear from others on this...

 

Regards,

in RI

From: Loest <boltzero@...>

Subject: Re: This one is to .

spinal problems

Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 7:04 AM

>

> I ABSOLUTELY wholeheartedly believe that losing weight WILL ease back pain.

When I think of my weight and how it fluctuates between 175lbs to an all time

high of 204lbs, I observed several factors during the gradual weight gain that

affected the problem in L5 that " hopefully " will be corrected soon with surgery.

1. Most of the weight gathered in my belly, my posture changed to support the

extra weight. In principle like a bow being drawn back to fire an arrow, and

there was a dramatic increase in the frequency/intensity of chronic pain.

2. Bending forward during the weight increase became more difficult simply

because there was more gut to fold in. Squatting instead of bending enabled me

to avoid inflaming or slipping L5.

3. My balance was affected by the weight increase, needing to shift my posture

to navigate corners, stairs, or uneven surfaces and I was self-aware that I was

moving around differently than before.

4. My joints were becoming inflamed by the dynamics of coping with the extra

weight and the fine adjustments needed while moving around, I was getting worn

out much more rapidly as the weight increased.

5. It's been said before, carrying around extra weight is like carrying a loaded

backpack, sometimes more than one - and the concept is true.

6. When I did loose weight and went back down to 175lbs, a lot of the

inflammation and other high end pain subsided along with the recurrent frequency

of incident.

7. Everyone is built and wired differently, my weight gain and recurring pain is

exclusive to me and I would not apply the experience to anyone else's current

profile.

[Guest guest]

I definitely agree that losing weight CAN help reduce back pain, but just

because you lose weight does not mean it will help for sure. For me it did not.

This past year I went from 180 to 125, and my back pain did not get better -

actually, it's much worse than it ever has been - but I have DDD, so I don't

think anything I could have done myself would have helped. That's why I am

finally having surgery in about 4 weeks, after 10 years of pain. I am so glad

that some of you have found pain relief after losing weight - it's not easy but

it's worth it.

Carrying extra weight on your frame is not good for your back. I do think that

people who are overweight or obese should definitely try to lose weight and see

if it does help with your pain - if anything, it will help your overall health.

I think doctors should suggest weight loss to patients with back pain - of

course, it's not a guarantee that it will help reduce your pain, just like

anything else - surgery is not a guarantee either.

on a side note, I know someone who is pretty overweight who just had disc

replacement surgery - I was very surprised that the doctor did the surgery on

her. I just don't think it's responsible of a doc to operate on someone who is

really overweight, because the weight puts a load on the discs, and she will

probably end up having more surgery down the road. I think he should have asked

her to lose weight to see if it helped first.

Jenn

[Guest guest]

,

Well everyone has an opinion, (as well as other things I/we don't have to go

into.), and we all know, and been told many times,  that losing weight will help

in pain control. My question is, OK I  know I have a LOT of extra I need to

loose, but HOW, when I try to take a walk, do some exercise, or what ever, I

experience so much more pain that I tend to not do those things that cause it. 

I am at my wits end trying to convince myself to do something, when it hurts so

bad. I know everyone can say you just have to push yourself, make yourself get

up and go, but I have suffered so much, the pain has been so intense, that I

have to talk myself into just getting up. I know that some will say that I'm

just lazy, and/or I just do not have the will power or desire to get better, but

for the life of me this is just a night mare I am living in. I can't enjoy

anything, not even sitting here typing on my PC, do I enjoy...I'm not trying to

belittle anyone else's

pain, but no one really understands, my PM doc says to me: you have to do this,

you have to push yourself to walk, you have to lay down and rest your back,

But when I try, it's just so horrible...I find myself in a lost for words to

explain how it feels.

I don't eat much, OK maybe I do get into that  " sweets " thing every now and then,

but other than that I may eat one meal a day, and when I do my DW fixes my plate

exactly the same amount as what she eats, but I don't finish it because I get

nauseous. So I am not gorging myself all day really

I guess I really don't have an opinion at all, just my experiences with pain and

how it effects my every movement. My doc Rx's medication to control pain, but

just enough to bring my level down to keep me out of tears, so why can't they

just take it to the next step, and use those drugs that are considered too

dangerous by the DEA, or whom ever makes that decision on whats dangerous. I

myself are willing to take the chance on taking something that will make me get

up and moving, and worry about the consequences after I get my health/strength

back. I mean what is the worst that can happen? I get hooked on a very strong

drug? That can happen with the medications I am currently on now, can't it?

I'm done now, thank you for listening/reading if you make it this far. I

apologize if I offend or hurt any-ones feeling, that is not my intention.

 

Bama,

 

The dog has seldom been successful in pulling man up to its level of sagacity,

but man has frequently dragged the dog down to his. Thurber

                                                                            

________________________________

From: Babbitt <tpowell1977@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:46:13 AM

Subject: Re: Losing weight

and group...

 

I'm so glad that you have been able to lower you weight and it's effecst on your

body. That takes a LOT of self-control and inner strength.

 

When I say that losing weight will help everyone who has  bad back and is

carrying a little extra. I do mean that across the board. It doesn't mean it

will cure your problem, but it WILL decrease pain...absolutely. Even me....I'm

5'4 " and I weigh 140. It's not overweight at all, but my natural weight is

closer to 130 and I can feel a big difference in my pain when I fluctuate

towards 150. Hold a ten pond weight in front of you...it's a decent amount of

weight. Now, if you had that on your back, no big deal. your spine is able to

carry a tremendous axial load...it is NOT however capable of carrying the

weight, when it's pulling from the front, without negative side effects. The

disks start slipping and sliding and the muscles pull and tense up.

 

That being said, no matter what is wrong with your back, if you are carrying

some extra weight, it WILL help to lose it. people who are not even pverweight

but carrying a little extra...can ALL benefit from losing a little.

 

Which brings me to think....(and please don't anyone take offense as I am

included in this)....why is it that we have the power to HELP the pain by

keeping our weight down and working our core to keep it strong...but we often

fail to do so? I know when I do my tummy exercizes that are gentle, they make my

pain much better. But I fail to do them on a regular basis. Why is that. I gorge

on sweets and don't eat a healthy diet so I carry a little " fluff " around my

middle. I think for me ,and I know others here feel this way also, I eat when

I'm hurting and depressed and tired. I say that it gives me one little speck of

happiness when everything else fails. But maybe I wouldn't hurt so bad if I took

better care of my body.

 

I'd like to hear from others on this...

 

Regards,

in RI

From: Loest <boltzerosbcglobal (DOT) net>

Subject: Re: This one is to .

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 7:04 AM

>

> I ABSOLUTELY wholeheartedly believe that losing weight WILL ease back pain.

When I think of my weight and how it fluctuates between 175lbs to an all time

high of 204lbs, I observed several factors during the gradual weight gain that

affected the problem in L5 that " hopefully " will be corrected soon with surgery.

1. Most of the weight gathered in my belly, my posture changed to support the

extra weight. In principle like a bow being drawn back to fire an arrow, and

there was a dramatic increase in the frequency/intensity of chronic pain.

2. Bending forward during the weight increase became more difficult simply

because there was more gut to fold in. Squatting instead of bending enabled me

to avoid inflaming or slipping L5.

3. My balance was affected by the weight increase, needing to shift my posture

to navigate corners, stairs, or uneven surfaces and I was self-aware that I was

moving around differently than before.

4. My joints were becoming inflamed by the dynamics of coping with the extra

weight and the fine adjustments needed while moving around, I was getting worn

out much more rapidly as the weight increased.

5. It's been said before, carrying around extra weight is like carrying a loaded

backpack, sometimes more than one - and the concept is true.

6. When I did loose weight and went back down to 175lbs, a lot of the

inflammation and other high end pain subsided along with the recurrent frequency

of incident.

7.. Everyone is built and wired differently, my weight gain and recurring pain

is exclusive to me and I would not apply the experience to anyone else's current

profile.

[Guest guest]

,

I know you were directing your question at , but I just wanted to chime

in... : )

yep - it is extremely hard to lose weight when exercise hurts so badly. It's

like a catch 22 - if you want to possibly reduce your pain, you must exercise to

lose weight, but to exercise, you have to not be in pain to do so! : ( I (and

I'm sure many others) am in the same boat and understand completely. I lost

weight not by exercising but by changing my eating habits drastically, and also

by breastfeeding, which obviously you can't do : ) and chasing after a 3 yr old

and a 1 yr old. I did not do it the traditional way and I hope I am not

upsetting anyone by implying that it was " easy " for me - that is not my

intention. I just wanted to share my experiences and let you know that you are

not alone. None of us think you are lazy - pain is a terribly debilitating

thing and affects every single aspect of your life, especially your ability to

not just exercise, but to physically get out of bed in the morning.

As far as the medication thing goes, I just went back to my pain doc and told

him: I am in severe pain. My meds are not working. He put me on something much

stronger and it does help a little more, but it does not take the pain away as

most pain pills don't. I am in agony and I totally understand what you are

feeling.

Jenn

[Guest guest]

,

 

I agree wholeheartedly!!! On several of your points. I don't have an answer for

HOW you accomplish this feat. I am in the same place as you for the most part,

though I am able to walk without much pain. For the whole past week, when I'm

not at work those two days, I have been sitting on my couch, trying to get

myself up and DO something. Laundry, vaccuum, take a walk, go to the

market...but I've struggled and lost every day. I'm feeling depression setting

in as despair sets in as well. HOW DO you force yourself to get up when your

body feels like a painful lead weight? It's hard. I don't know how. I DO know

that when I've forced myself to get out the door...even if I say I'm just going

to walk to the end of my street and back...well I've felt better.

Maybe taking a ten minute walk is too daunting. Start smaller. how about to the

end of the driveway and back and see how you feel. perhaps you could do it just

one more time? Try to add to it everyday.

 

I also agree with your point about the medications. You need good pain control

if you are going to get moving. If your PM doc isn't interested, get a second

opinion. Even if it's short term use, like a month. If you can get moving, you

WILL feel better. Those aches will ease a little as you get your joints moving.

Take a few minutes to be outside and smell the fresh air, feel the warmth of the

sun on your face...and try to find a reason to keep going.

 

If we need to start an accountibility blog here we can. Lets add our name to a

list everyday when we walk, no matter how long or far we walk. Lets lift each

other up and give each other a reason to walk. I'm sure there's a little

competitive streak here somewhere...

 

Have a great low pain day...

 

--- in RI

From: Loest <boltzero@sbcglobal . net>

Subject: Re: This one is to .

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 7:04 AM

>

> I ABSOLUTELY wholeheartedly believe that losing weight WILL ease back pain.

When I think of my weight and how it fluctuates between 175lbs to an all time

high of 204lbs, I observed several factors during the gradual weight gain that

affected the problem in L5 that " hopefully " will be corrected soon with surgery.

1. Most of the weight gathered in my belly, my posture changed to support the

extra weight. In principle like a bow being drawn back to fire an arrow, and

there was a dramatic increase in the frequency/intensity of chronic pain.

2. Bending forward during the weight increase became more difficult simply

because there was more gut to fold in. Squatting instead of bending enabled me

to avoid inflaming or slipping L5.

3. My balance was affected by the weight increase, needing to shift my posture

to navigate corners, stairs, or uneven surfaces and I was self-aware that I was

moving around differently than before.

4. My joints were becoming inflamed by the dynamics of coping with the extra

weight and the fine adjustments needed while moving around, I was getting worn

out much more rapidly as the weight increased.

5. It's been said before, carrying around extra weight is like carrying a loaded

backpack, sometimes more than one - and the concept is true.

6. When I did loose weight and went back down to 175lbs, a lot of the

inflammation and other high end pain subsided along with the recurrent frequency

of incident.

7.. Everyone is built and wired differently, my weight gain and recurring pain

is exclusive to me and I would not apply the experience to anyone else's current

profile.

[Guest guest]

Hey ...

Can you be milked?.............

(chuckle)

 

---

From: <sessions.jennifer@...>

Subject: Re: Losing weight

spinal problems

Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 12:28 PM

,

I know you were directing your question at , but I just wanted to chime

in... : )

yep - it is extremely hard to lose weight when exercise hurts so badly. It's

like a catch 22 - if you want to possibly reduce your pain, you must exercise to

lose weight, but to exercise, you have to not be in pain to do so! : ( I (and

I'm sure many others) am in the same boat and understand completely. I lost

weight not by exercising but by changing my eating habits drastically, and also

by breastfeeding, which obviously you can't do : ) and chasing after a 3 yr old

and a 1 yr old. I did not do it the traditional way and I hope I am not

upsetting anyone by implying that it was " easy " for me - that is not my

intention. I just wanted to share my experiences and let you know that you are

not alone. None of us think you are lazy - pain is a terribly debilitating thing

and affects every single aspect of your life, especially your ability to not

just exercise, but to physically get out of bed in the morning.

As far as the medication thing goes, I just went back to my pain doc and told

him: I am in severe pain. My meds are not working. He put me on something much

stronger and it does help a little more, but it does not take the pain away as

most pain pills don't. I am in agony and I totally understand what you are

feeling.

Jenn

[Guest guest]

LOL ,

Thanks for the laugh, but geez girl you sure left yourself open on that one <BIG

GRIN>

YUP I can be milked, but not in the same area Jenn was talking about!!!!

 

Bama,

 

The dog has seldom been successful in pulling man up to its level of sagacity,

but man has frequently dragged the dog down to his. Thurber

                                                                            

________________________________

From: Babbitt <tpowell1977@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 12:44:01 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Losing weight

Hey ...

Can you be milked?..... ........

(chuckle)

 

---

From: <sessions.jennifer@ gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Losing weight

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 12:28 PM

,

I know you were directing your question at , but I just wanted to chime

in... : )

yep - it is extremely hard to lose weight when exercise hurts so badly. It's

like a catch 22 - if you want to possibly reduce your pain, you must exercise to

lose weight, but to exercise, you have to not be in pain to do so! : ( I (and

I'm sure many others) am in the same boat and understand completely. I lost

weight not by exercising but by changing my eating habits drastically, and also

by breastfeeding, which obviously you can't do : ) and chasing after a 3 yr old

and a 1 yr old. I did not do it the traditional way and I hope I am not

upsetting anyone by implying that it was " easy " for me - that is not my

intention. I just wanted to share my experiences and let you know that you are

not alone. None of us think you are lazy - pain is a terribly debilitating thing

and affects every single aspect of your life, especially your ability to not

just exercise, but to physically get out of bed in the morning.

As far as the medication thing goes, I just went back to my pain doc and told

him: I am in severe pain. My meds are not working. He put me on something much

stronger and it does help a little more, but it does not take the pain away as

most pain pills don't. I am in agony and I totally understand what you are

feeling.

Jenn

[Guest guest]

Ah ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You naughty boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: <sessions.jennifer@ gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Losing weight

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 12:28 PM

,

I know you were directing your question at , but I just wanted to chime

in... : )

yep - it is extremely hard to lose weight when exercise hurts so badly. It's

like a catch 22 - if you want to possibly reduce your pain, you must exercise to

lose weight, but to exercise, you have to not be in pain to do so! : ( I (and

I'm sure many others) am in the same boat and understand completely. I lost

weight not by exercising but by changing my eating habits drastically, and also

by breastfeeding, which obviously you can't do : ) and chasing after a 3 yr old

and a 1 yr old. I did not do it the traditional way and I hope I am not

upsetting anyone by implying that it was " easy " for me - that is not my

intention. I just wanted to share my experiences and let you know that you are

not alone. None of us think you are lazy - pain is a terribly debilitating thing

and affects every single aspect of your life, especially your ability to not

just exercise, but to physically get out of bed in the morning.

As far as the medication thing goes, I just went back to my pain doc and told

him: I am in severe pain. My meds are not working. He put me on something much

stronger and it does help a little more, but it does not take the pain away as

most pain pills don't. I am in agony and I totally understand what you are

feeling.

Jenn

[Guest guest]

,

That sounds like a good idea, I belong to the Nicotine-Busters group here on

, and they have a quit meter that actually calculates for example how much

$ you save. I know that is kinda far fetched for your idea, but?...

Anyways, thanks for the answer you gave on my last post, I thought it might just

be me, and depression getting me down again, because I am truly trying to do

what my doc says. I just can't seem to get the motivation.

 

Bama,

 

The dog has seldom been successful in pulling man up to its level of sagacity,

but man has frequently dragged the dog down to his. Thurber

                                                                            

________________________________

From: Babbitt <tpowell1977@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 12:42:41 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Losing weight

,

 

I agree wholeheartedly! !! On several of your points. I don't have an answer for

HOW you accomplish this feat. I am in the same place as you for the most part,

though I am able to walk without much pain. For the whole past week, when I'm

not at work those two days, I have been sitting on my couch, trying to get

myself up and DO something. Laundry, vaccuum, take a walk, go to the

market...but I've struggled and lost every day.. I'm feeling depression setting

in as despair sets in as well. HOW DO you force yourself to get up when your

body feels like a painful lead weight? It's hard. I don't know how. I DO know

that when I've forced myself to get out the door...even if I say I'm just going

to walk to the end of my street and back...well I've felt better.

Maybe taking a ten minute walk is too daunting. Start smaller. how about to the

end of the driveway and back and see how you feel. perhaps you could do it just

one more time? Try to add to it everyday.

 

I also agree with your point about the medications. You need good pain control

if you are going to get moving. If your PM doc isn't interested, get a second

opinion. Even if it's short term use, like a month. If you can get moving, you

WILL feel better. Those aches will ease a little as you get your joints moving.

Take a few minutes to be outside and smell the fresh air, feel the warmth of the

sun on your face...and try to find a reason to keep going.

 

If we need to start an accountibility blog here we can. Lets add our name to a

list everyday when we walk, no matter how long or far we walk. Lets lift each

other up and give each other a reason to walk. I'm sure there's a little

competitive streak here somewhere....

 

Have a great low pain day...

 

--- in RI

From: Loest <boltzero@sbcglobal . net>

Subject: Re: This one is to .

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 7:04 AM

>

> I ABSOLUTELY wholeheartedly believe that losing weight WILL ease back pain.

When I think of my weight and how it fluctuates between 175lbs to an all time

high of 204lbs, I observed several factors during the gradual weight gain that

affected the problem in L5 that " hopefully " will be corrected soon with surgery.

1. Most of the weight gathered in my belly, my posture changed to support the

extra weight. In principle like a bow being drawn back to fire an arrow, and

there was a dramatic increase in the frequency/intensity of chronic pain.

2. Bending forward during the weight increase became more difficult simply

because there was more gut to fold in. Squatting instead of bending enabled me

to avoid inflaming or slipping L5.

3.. My balance was affected by the weight increase, needing to shift my posture

to navigate corners, stairs, or uneven surfaces and I was self-aware that I was

moving around differently than before.

4. My joints were becoming inflamed by the dynamics of coping with the extra

weight and the fine adjustments needed while moving around, I was getting worn

out much more rapidly as the weight increased.

5. It's been said before, carrying around extra weight is like carrying a loaded

backpack, sometimes more than one - and the concept is true.

6. When I did loose weight and went back down to 175lbs, a lot of the

inflammation and other high end pain subsided along with the recurrent frequency

of incident.

7.. Everyone is built and wired differently, my weight gain and recurring pain

is exclusive to me and I would not apply the experience to anyone else's current

profile.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jenn and , for the conversation, and the support.

Also the humor,  I really needed that. I hope no one got offended.

But, I really need to get off here, as reality sets in and the pain takes over

again. I hope everyone can enjoy a much less painful day. I think we all need a

break from the monster that takes over our every moment in life.

God bless you all!!!

 

Bama,

 

The dog has seldom been successful in pulling man up to its level of sagacity,

but man has frequently dragged the dog down to his. Thurber

                                                                            

________________________________

From: <sessions.jennifer@...>

spinal problems

Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:28:40 AM

Subject: Re: Losing weight

,

I know you were directing your question at , but I just wanted to chime

in... : )

yep - it is extremely hard to lose weight when exercise hurts so badly. It's

like a catch 22 - if you want to possibly reduce your pain, you must exercise to

lose weight, but to exercise, you have to not be in pain to do so! : ( I (and

I'm sure many others) am in the same boat and understand completely. I lost

weight not by exercising but by changing my eating habits drastically, and also

by breastfeeding, which obviously you can't do : ) and chasing after a 3 yr old

and a 1 yr old. I did not do it the traditional way and I hope I am not

upsetting anyone by implying that it was " easy " for me - that is not my

intention. I just wanted to share my experiences and let you know that you are

not alone. None of us think you are lazy - pain is a terribly debilitating thing

and affects every single aspect of your life, especially your ability to not

just exercise, but to physically get out of bed in the morning.

As far as the medication thing goes, I just went back to my pain doc and told

him: I am in severe pain. My meds are not working. He put me on something much

stronger and it does help a little more, but it does not take the pain away as

most pain pills don't. I am in agony and I totally understand what you are

feeling.

Jenn

[Guest guest]

Absolutely ,

 

I would never insinuate that we are lazy...it's just we have so much to overcome

that it seems so hard to do, neigh impossible. Today again I am struggling to do

anything around the house. I FEEL lazy, but I know it's because my pain is bad

today. I has been for the past week. I will commit to walking down the road

today. Will someone match me and commit to walking as well?

 

--- in RI

From: Loest <boltzero@sbcglobal . net>

Subject: Re: This one is to .

spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com

Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 7:04 AM

>

> I ABSOLUTELY wholeheartedly believe that losing weight WILL ease back pain.

When I think of my weight and how it fluctuates between 175lbs to an all time

high of 204lbs, I observed several factors during the gradual weight gain that

affected the problem in L5 that " hopefully " will be corrected soon with surgery.

1. Most of the weight gathered in my belly, my posture changed to support the

extra weight. In principle like a bow being drawn back to fire an arrow, and

there was a dramatic increase in the frequency/intensity of chronic pain.

2. Bending forward during the weight increase became more difficult simply

because there was more gut to fold in. Squatting instead of bending enabled me

to avoid inflaming or slipping L5.

3.. My balance was affected by the weight increase, needing to shift my posture

to navigate corners, stairs, or uneven surfaces and I was self-aware that I was

moving around differently than before.

4. My joints were becoming inflamed by the dynamics of coping with the extra

weight and the fine adjustments needed while moving around, I was getting worn

out much more rapidly as the weight increased.

5. It's been said before, carrying around extra weight is like carrying a loaded

backpack, sometimes more than one - and the concept is true.

6. When I did loose weight and went back down to 175lbs, a lot of the

inflammation and other high end pain subsided along with the recurrent frequency

of incident.

7.. Everyone is built and wired differently, my weight gain and recurring pain

is exclusive to me and I would not apply the experience to anyone else's current

profile.

[Guest guest]

i'm using ldn for 5 months. during that time i lost 6 Kilos which is about 1/10

of my wieght. i didn't change any thing in my diet. is it a common side effect?

[Guest guest]

There are several different thoughts on weight loss/gain. A few years

ago I became familiar with high fat (ala Weston A Price) and

questioned the calorie theory. Many people I spoke to didn't

calculate calories, they just watched what they ate. High fat didn't

change my weight. Counting calories didn't change my weight. But

over the last 2 months I've been steadily losing. Maybe 1 lb a week

or so, which is healthy. I'm also nursing, so that helps. I just

watch my portions, make sure I'm getting a variety of fruits and

veggies in combination with my protein. I notice when I have too much

sugar, whether soda/coffee (yes yes slap my hand ) or in fruit that

my weight will go up. It's just a matter of figuring out what is

right for you once your thyroid levels are on a somewhat normal track.

My husband can eat a ton of grains and not put on a pound but if I

eat a ton of grains/sugar I gain. I've been making a lot of

soups/stews, even rice, or spaghetti sauce, using pureed veggies

(tomatoes, onions, bell pepper, garlic, a carrot and some kale,

sometimes celery) so make sure I get a good variety. It's also the

only way my daughter and husband will eat veggies.

Hope that helps!

Janelle

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:18 AM, secapps51 <moqui51@...> wrote:

> Earlier this year, I was losing weight and could not figure out what was going

on.  I had started taking vitamin D and took about 8000 mg every day because my

numbers were low and I had now idea on the correct amount to take to get the

numbers in range.  I read later that too much D can cause problems so I cut back

to 4000 mg. I get my D level checked in about a month, and get my thyroid levels

checked again.

>

> But I gained back the 6 pounds that I had lost earlier, and can't seem to make

them budge.  I go up and down as much as 3 pounds in one day, so I assume a lot

of this is water weight.  I am not overweight, but I am trying to get to one

weight and stay there.

>

> I was wondering if anyone knows if floride in the water has any effects on

weight?  I was filtering my water, but lately I have stopped and just put it in

the fridge and let it sit overnight before I drink it.

>

> I am not a big salt user, and try to control my sugar.  I use stevia and

honey, but do on occasion have those sweet treats.

>

> Nothing else has changed that I can think of and my thyroid numbers were fine.

 I was not hyper, so I ruled that one out.  I am hypo/hashimotos.

>

> I eat almost all fresh veggies, no red meat, and I get some exercise every

day.  Why is it so difficult for someone with a thyroid problem to lose even one

pound?  What is the science behind this?  Drives me nuts. I

>

>  know being older that the slow metabolism figures in, but I also keep my

calories very low compared to most people.  I would say I am always below 1400

calories a day, unless we eat out, but I do watch what I eat even then. I have

also read that if you go too low on calories your body will go into starvation

mode and you stop losing also.  Never tried that one. LOL

>

> I take calcium, vitamin E, Vitamin D, a digestive enzyme, and fish oil.

>

> I would say I average about 400 calories for breaksfast and usually  only eat

a snack during the day, then try to stay around 600 for my evening meal and then

have a snack later in the evening.  I may drink alcohol once a month and then it

is only one drink.

>

> Susie

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't have any answers for you Susie. You sound very much like me. When I go

out to eat with others, which is rare, someone usually asks me if that is all

that I'm going to eat. I eat mostly healthy foods and actually love salads and

veggies. I'm not a vegetarian, but eat mostly fish, turkey, chicken, and maybe

once a week beef or pork, and then it's only about a 3oz portion of

a very lean cut.

 

I keep getting edema in my legs and feet. It comes and goes and I can never

figure out what is the problem. I've tried drinking more than my usual 4 - 5 16

oz glasses of water but then I can't stop running to the bathroom, with great

urgency. When I spoke to my cardiologist about it he

said to definitely not increase my water.

 

It's very frustrating.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: secapps51 <moqui51@...>

Subject: Losing weight

hypothyroidism

Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 6:18 AM

Earlier this year, I was losing weight and could not figure out what was going

on.  I had started taking vitamin D and took about 8000 mg every day because my

numbers were low and I had now idea on the correct amount to take to get the

numbers in range.  I read later that too much D can cause problems so I cut back

to 4000 mg. I get my D level checked in about a month, and get my thyroid levels

checked again.

But I gained back the 6 pounds that I had lost earlier, and can't seem to make

them budge.  I go up and down as much as 3 pounds in one day, so I assume a lot

of this is water weight.  I am not overweight, but I am trying to get to one

weight and stay there. 

I was wondering if anyone knows if floride in the water has any effects on

weight?  I was filtering my water, but lately I have stopped and just put it in

the fridge and let it sit overnight before I drink it. 

I am not a big salt user, and try to control my sugar.  I use stevia and honey,

but do on occasion have those sweet treats.

Nothing else has changed that I can think of and my thyroid numbers were fine. 

I was not hyper, so I ruled that one out.  I am hypo/hashimotos. 

I eat almost all fresh veggies, no red meat, and I get some exercise every day. 

Why is it so difficult for someone with a thyroid problem to lose even one

pound?  What is the science behind this?  Drives me nuts. I

know being older that the slow metabolism figures in, but I also keep my

calories very low compared to most people.  I would say I am always below 1400

calories a day, unless we eat out, but I do watch what I eat even then. I have

also read that if you go too low on calories your body will go into starvation

mode and you stop losing also.  Never tried that one. LOL 

I take calcium, vitamin E, Vitamin D, a digestive enzyme, and fish oil.

I would say I average about 400 calories for breaksfast and usually  only eat a

snack during the day, then try to stay around 600 for my evening meal and then

have a snack later in the evening.  I may drink alcohol once a month and then it

is only one drink. 

Susie

 

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Susie,

You wrote:

> ... I was wondering if anyone knows if floride in the water has any effects

> on weight? I was filtering my water, but lately I have stopped and just

> put it in the fridge and let it sit overnight before I drink it.

Fluoride attacks both the thyroid gland and hormones in serum. A

charcoal filter only removes a tiny fraction from water. You might want

to consider bottled water for drinking, if your tap water is fluoridated.

Chuck