losing weight

[Guest guest]

> After having a series of varicies procedures which is banding of my

> blood veins, it has been my experience that one can lose weight.

>

> Until your body becomes accustom to the invasion of the rubber bands,

> all you can swallow is fluids, like smoothies [and even that hurts].

>

> I have found that it has certainly changed the way that I eat. To

> get my protein, I pan fry cubes of Tofu [no oil, just to get my daily

> allowance of protein. The same with the homemade smoothies. Bananas

> or frozen strawberries, ice cream [low fat].

>

> Don't even try anything solid because the pain will double you over.

> Since the banding starts as close to the liver as possible, you will

> feel everything going down like a punch in the solar plexus.

>

> There are so many other immunosuppressants in use that are not

> steroids, that I'm somewhat surprised that given the side effects,

> that liver patients, and Myasthenia Gravis patients continue to allow

> their doctors to give them Prenisone.

>

> When I read high blood pressure, doesn't the doctor consider varicies

> to be a greater danger. I read that the chances of surviving

> varicies is 50% because of the internal bleeding. I would certainly

> raise that concern with the doctor. My Hepatologist insisted that my

> Gastroenterlogist perform an endoscopy to observe the condition of my

> blood veins.

>

> The results were bad. Very thin walls.

>

> If Prednisone is giving you high blood pressure, then you need to

> discuss this with your doctor. If Prednisone is increasing your

> gluclose levels, you need to discuss this with your doctor.

>

> While there are other choices, there is no need to create a death

> wish list now.

>

> I can exercise too. But one has to change their lifestyle. You have

> to eat right, drink your two quarts of water every day. To exercise,

> you have to build up your stamina, and that's a very slow process

> because of your liver disease. To build up your liver, you have to

> allow it to rest. Milk thistle can offer a substitute for liver

> bile, thus allowing your liver to rest more. Eating the proper foods

> will allow you body to use the minimum amount of liver bile.

>

> It's all part of the program to feel normal again. A lot of people

> are doing it, and a lot more should be giving their liver a chance to

> recover. You have to keep hope alive.

ED..... as of now prednisone is the only known treatment for AIH... and some

people may be on it the rest of thier life... Prednisone is mainly an

anti=inflammatory that has immuno properties... it is the Imuran or MP 6 or

whatever that is the main immuno to keep one from developing more antibodies

that would attack ypour liver, The prednisone is to keep down the inflammation

which leads to fibrosis and scar tissue and cirrhosis.

High blood pressure is not necessarilly equated with Portal hypertension which

can lead to the development of varices and most of these people here may never

develop portal hypertension as long as the disease is controlled (by prednisone

and imuran) and even HBP can be controlled medically. Despite its side effects

prednisone is truly a miracle drug that has many uses. Medical treatment is

based on risk vs. benefit.

BTW... I had bleeding varices for over 2 years with 2 instances of hemmorhaging.

I had countless transfusions and endoscopies and was treated with sclerotherapy

instead of banding. I had no unuasal pain fom the procedure and was able to eat

comfortably after each one... I guess each is different... Jen here has had

bleeds so bad that even banding didn`t help and she neeed a TIPS procedure...

Much has been said and researched about milkthistle and the bottom line seems to

be that although it doesn`t seem to hurt you there is no documented proof that

it is of any great benefit either. I personally am wary of herbals. Unless one

really knows what they are doing they can cause more harm than good. It is

interesting that those who tout herbs the most are in the business of selling

them. (check the web and see if I`m not right) and very few Medical Doctors

endorse them.

Hope this finds you well..

Jerry

[Guest guest]

Jerry, Welcome back. We've missed you. I hope you had a good rest and

flirted with lots of girls LOL.

Debbie (Tommy's Mom)

> [Original Message]

> From: <gefox@...>

> < >

> Date: 7/7/01 12:24:51 AM

> Subject: [ ] Re: Losing weight

>

>

> > After having a series of varicies procedures which is banding of

> my

> > blood veins, it has been my experience that one can lose weight.

> >

> > Until your body becomes accustom to the invasion of the rubber

> bands,

> > all you can swallow is fluids, like smoothies [and even that

> hurts].

> >

> > I have found that it has certainly changed the way that I eat. To

>

> > get my protein, I pan fry cubes of Tofu [no oil, just to get my

> daily

> > allowance of protein. The same with the homemade smoothies.

> Bananas

> > or frozen strawberries, ice cream [low fat].

> >

> > Don't even try anything solid because the pain will double you

> over.

> > Since the banding starts as close to the liver as possible, you

> will

> > feel everything going down like a punch in the solar plexus.

> >

> > There are so many other immunosuppressants in use that are not

> > steroids, that I'm somewhat surprised that given the side effects,

>

> > that liver patients, and Myasthenia Gravis patients continue to

> allow

> > their doctors to give them Prenisone.

> >

> > When I read high blood pressure, doesn't the doctor consider

> varicies

> > to be a greater danger. I read that the chances of surviving

> > varicies is 50% because of the internal bleeding. I would

> certainly

> > raise that concern with the doctor. My Hepatologist insisted that

> my

> > Gastroenterlogist perform an endoscopy to observe the condition of

> my

> > blood veins.

> >

> > The results were bad. Very thin walls.

> >

> > If Prednisone is giving you high blood pressure, then you need to

> > discuss this with your doctor. If Prednisone is increasing your

> > gluclose levels, you need to discuss this with your doctor.

> >

> > While there are other choices, there is no need to create a death

> > wish list now.

> >

> > I can exercise too. But one has to change their lifestyle. You

> have

> > to eat right, drink your two quarts of water every day. To

> exercise,

> > you have to build up your stamina, and that's a very slow process

> > because of your liver disease. To build up your liver, you have

> to

> > allow it to rest. Milk thistle can offer a substitute for liver

> > bile, thus allowing your liver to rest more. Eating the proper

> foods

> > will allow you body to use the minimum amount of liver bile.

> >

> > It's all part of the program to feel normal again. A lot of

> people

> > are doing it, and a lot more should be giving their liver a chance

> to

> > recover. You have to keep hope alive.

>

> ED..... as of now prednisone is the only known treatment for AIH...

> and some people may be on it the rest of thier life... Prednisone is

> mainly an anti=inflammatory that has immuno properties... it is the

> Imuran or MP 6 or whatever that is the main immuno to keep one from

> developing more antibodies that would attack ypour liver, The

> prednisone is to keep down the inflammation which leads to fibrosis

> and scar tissue and cirrhosis.

> High blood pressure is not necessarilly equated with Portal

> hypertension which can lead to the development of varices and most of

> these people here may never develop portal hypertension as long as

> the disease is controlled (by prednisone and imuran) and even HBP can

> be controlled medically. Despite its side effects prednisone is truly

> a miracle drug that has many uses. Medical treatment is based on risk

> vs. benefit.

> BTW... I had bleeding varices for over 2 years with 2 instances of

> hemmorhaging. I had countless transfusions and endoscopies and was

> treated with sclerotherapy instead of banding. I had no unuasal pain

> fom the procedure and was able to eat comfortably after each one... I

> guess each is different... Jen here has had bleeds so bad that even

> banding didn`t help and she neeed a TIPS procedure...

> Much has been said and researched about milkthistle and the bottom

> line seems to be that although it doesn`t seem to hurt you there is

> no documented proof that it is of any great benefit either. I

> personally am wary of herbals. Unless one really knows what they are

> doing they can cause more harm than good. It is interesting that

> those who tout herbs the most are in the business of selling them.

> (check the web and see if I`m not right) and very few Medical Doctors

> endorse them.

> Hope this finds you well..

> Jerry

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Joanne:

I love hearing that you lost the " belly " . That is what I want the

most of all. I made it to the gym 3 times this week. Did 30 minutes

on the treadmill and another 20 or so on weight machines. You are

right, I do feel better. As far as the diet goes, the carbs are my

weakness. I love bread, popcorn, cake and all that.

In Northern Michigan it is hard to walk right now.

Temp has been 12-20 degrees and it's so slippery. I'll stick to the

indoor stuff for now!

Thanks for the response.

Marty

> Blank

> To, Marty in Michigan et al... The best way to get started is to

walk! Not only will you burn calories but feel better. Cut back on

a few carbs, eats all you want of fruit and veggys, have calcium for

health...cheese etc....chicken with skin removed and not fried is

good, as is fish, and 3 ounces of protein twice a day. the protein

may be in form of yogurt, soy etc for one meal and 3 ounces of

fish, fowl, meat tghe other. No crackers, candy, popcorn (try the

Quaker Rice Cakes.all flavors) POPSICLES!!! Italian ice, Sorbet, any

low fat soups etc..... Then add Yoga, then small jand

weights.... Get a small inexpensive calorie counter at grocery

store..and use that.....they also have carb counters... With my

exercise...waljking, then hiking, swimming, etc.i have lost 35

pounds! I am much happier and the belly is also gone. I give that

one to Yoga. Good luck. Joanne

[Guest guest]

Gosh Steve, some people have all the luck!!! I have been following my

Candida diet for six weeks now and haven't lost an ounce. In fact, for

awhile there, I was actually gaining weight.

So - if you want to stop losing weight - start eating yogurt and raw nuts

(raw almonds are the best) and " good " oils. They are all good for you and

all are loaded with calories.

Ciao - Penny

Losing Weight

> Hello

>

> I have been on the sugar fre diet for over a month now and i am

> losing weight (around a stone) which is concerning me as I only

> weighed 12stone before and I am a tall thin lad.

>

> Any suggestions of food I can eat to start putting the weight back

> on. I already eat alot of chicken

>

> Thanks

>

> PS. Also I dont drink coffee but was thinking of drinking de-caff

> coffee. Is this acceptable? and also can u use those artificial

> sweetners in drinks?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Eat nuts, lots of them, no peanuts or cashews. Almonds and walnuts are

good. And eat nut butters and eggs. I also eat dairy. Kim

[Guest guest]

Hey Bee,

Thanks for the encouragement!

> Losing weight should not be a big concern for you, because killing the

> candida is the most important thing. It is understandable that you

> would lose some weight. At one point I was losing 3 lbs. a day on the

> candida diet.

The thing is that it is a big deal for me to lose much weight at all, let

alone 3 pounds a day! I don't know if you know too much about Cystic

Fibrosis a.k.a. CF, but it is a genetically based disease where one of the

main symptoms is malabsorbtion of nutrients (of all kinds, fats, proteins,

carbs, vitamins, and minerals) due to insufficient or no secretion of

pancreatic enzymes. Therefore, I must take high quantities of lipase,

protease, and amylase, just to be able to digest and absorb my food. So,

needless to say, with this condition, it is difficult to maintain weight,

let alone gain weight. Fats are the most difficult thing for a person with

CF to digest and absorb. Honestly CF is a complicated illness that I can't

even claim to completely understand myself.

It is for this reason that I think it may be more prudent for me, as an

individual, to increase my carb intake. I am thinking that it would make

sense to at least inrease starchy vegetables such as potatoes, sweet

potatoes, carrots, and beets, as this way I can avoid grains, which will

irritate the gut. I realize that this may feed the Candida more than

eating cabbage, brocolli, and other low-carb veggies, but it seems like

for me it may be the best option.

Can you answer these things for me:

* What do you think of my idea?

* Is it absolutely necessary to eat according to the " optimal diet " ratios?

* If I do have a little higher percentage of my diet as carbs and a little

lower percentage as fat (I could probably keep the fat content the same,

the percentage would just go down because of an increase in the carbs), is

that going to be very bad? What would the outcome be? Would I still be

able to kill off the candida?

I also stay up on the board at yestconnection.com and many people there

seem to be able to eat more carbs (oviously not a HUGE ammount, but more

that the optimal diet allows) while still being able to get rid of

Candida. I remember you writing that Dr. Crook got the diet wrong, and I

can see that in some of the allowed foods on their web site (it is

obviously not a Nourishing Traditions diet), but in general people do seem

to be able to eliminate Candida on that diet. I guess my point in this

paragraph is that maybe I could eat more carbs and still get rid of

Candida, just as the people on that board seem to do.

I hope I don't come off as offensive or as questioning your plan, which is

obviously excellent for eliminating Candida. I just need to do what is

best for me, and I am not quite sure what that is at this point. Perhaps

the " optimal diet " is the ideal, but will a diet that comes close to it,

i.e. my slightly modified higher carbs diet, still be good and beneficial?

Sorry for being so long winded....

Thanks so much for any help!

Take care,

Erek

[Guest guest]

Dear Erek,

> Thanks for the encouragement!

You are welcome!

> The thing is that it is a big deal for me to lose much weight at

all, let> alone 3 pounds a day! I don't know if you know too much

about Cystic> Fibrosis a.k.a. CF, but it is a genetically based

disease where one of the> main symptoms is malabsorbtion of nutrients

(of all kinds, fats, proteins,> carbs, vitamins, and minerals) due to

insufficient or no secretion of> pancreatic enzymes. Therefore, I

must take high quantities of lipase,> protease, and amylase, just to

be able to digest and absorb my food.

===>Actually, fats and protein are easier to digest than carbs.

> It is for this reason that I think it may be more prudent for me,

as an> individual, to increase my carb intake. I am thinking that it

would make> sense to at least inrease starchy vegetables such as

potatoes, sweet> potatoes, carrots, and beets, as this way I can

avoid grains, which will> irritate the gut. I realize that this may

feed the Candida more than> eating cabbage, brocolli, and other low-

carb veggies, but it seems like> for me it may be the best option.

==>You do what you feel is best. Now that you know how candida grows

you can adjust things accordingly. I hope you do well.

> * What do you think of my idea?

> * Is it absolutely necessary to eat according to the " optimal diet "

ratios?

==>No, it is not necessary. Dr. Jan. K. who developed the diet is

curing very serious illnesses with it, like diabetes, so that's why I

recommend it.

> * If I do have a little higher percentage of my diet as carbs and a

little> lower percentage as fat (I could probably keep the fat

content the same,> the percentage would just go down because of an

increase in the carbs), is> that going to be very bad? What would the

outcome be? Would I still be> able to kill off the candida?

==>It may take longer, but it could be possible. Go by what you feel

is right for you, and experiment with it.

> I also stay up on the board at yestconnection.com and many people

there> seem to be able to eat more carbs (oviously not a HUGE

ammount, but more> that the optimal diet allows) while still being

able to get rid of> Candida. I remember you writing that Dr. Crook

got the diet wrong, and I> can see that in some of the allowed foods

on their web site (it is> obviously not a Nourishing Traditions

diet), but in general people do seem> to be able to eliminate Candida

on that diet. I guess my point in this> paragraph is that maybe I

could eat more carbs and still get rid of> Candida, just as the

people on that board seem to do.

==>Yes, my article and diet is written to those people who are the

sickest and it is best to start off on the diet I recommend in order

to overcome candida quicker, but you can do it the longer way and

modify your diet.

> I hope I don't come off as offensive or as questioning your plan,

which is> obviously excellent for eliminating Candida. I just need to

do what is> best for me, and I am not quite sure what that is at this

point. Perhaps> the " optimal diet " is the ideal, but will a diet that

comes close to it,> i.e. my slightly modified higher carbs diet,

still be good and beneficial?

==>Yes Erek. Don't be too worried about doing the right thing. Take

it on a gradient and do what you can do.

> Thanks so much for any help!

You are so very welcome. Do take good care.

Bee

[Guest guest]

As I told you all before. I weight only 112 all my life. then low thyroid came

into my life and I have walked and everything and cant lose one ounce. I had

gaied 50 pounds. So you know how I feel. Well, I am now taking CLA you can

look it up at google. I haven;t lost yet but just started. I was talking to a

Parmicist who stated that he felt I wasn't getting a high enough dose of

thyroid. I go into the endro next month and I'm going to tell him I did it his

way for 3 years and now he should do it my way. We'll see what happens. Sandy

definately butter the po®pcorn b/c you need good fats. Eat more protein (no

meat? look at Schwarzbein Principle) Get enough Armour (T3, T2 etc), and some

DHEA. How's that?

Gracia

I'm still sitting here in the corner munching on some low-fat popcorn,

studying for my Muscles exam next Wednesday, waiting for Chuck or Gracia to come

up with the magic answer to losing this extra weight ( :-) ) I work out

(Aeorobic and walking and resistance) and i eat Organic and no meat. NO weight

loss!!!!!!!!!!!! ARGHHHHHHHHHHH. Should I just go butter the porpcorn?

Blessings,

Char in Delaware

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Good luck. It makes sense of course. Too bad most Dr.'s can't see that.

Gail

>

> I was talking to a Parmicist who stated that he felt I wasn't getting

a high enough dose of thyroid. I go into the endro next month and I'm

going to tell him I did it his way for 3 years and now he should do it

my way. We'll see what happens. Sandy

>

[Guest guest]

it's not the meds that keeps you from losing the weight it is the disease.

You may be under medicated or may need a different med. WWW

stopthethyroidmadness.Com

CW

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-- Losing Weight

I got married two years ago. Before my wedding i was in the gym and losing

weight. About a year ago i was diagnosed hypo and started levothyroxine (not

sure if that is spelled right). I tried going back to the gym (i had gained

some weight back after the wedding). I cannot lose any weight. It's

frustrating cause i'd rather go off the meds go to the gym and lose the

weight.

Any suggestions.

[Guest guest]

Eileen I understand how you feel, but if you need the medication, you need the

medication.

Basically, you need to put in less than your body burns every day. If you start

making

your portions smaller, and cut down on sugars and other carbs by reading the

nutrition

labels, you will find that you can lose, slowly, but you will lose. Then when

you add some

exercise to that, you will lose some more. Good luck to you, I know it's hard.

I'm battling

the same thing.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: eileen_kurlan <eileen_kurlan@...>

Subject: Losing Weight

hypothyroidism

Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:20 PM

I got married two years ago.  Before my wedding i was in the gym and losing

weight.  About a year ago i was diagnosed hypo and started levothyroxine (not

sure if that is spelled right).  I tried going back to the gym (i had gained

some weight back after the wedding).  I cannot lose any weight.  It's

frustrating cause i'd rather go off the meds go to the gym and lose the weight.

Any suggestions.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I disagree with the previous statement.

There have been studies done, where people with Hypothyroidism still

gain

weight eating 500 calories per day.

I even did an experiment where I took $4000 from my retirement account

and hired a personal trainer. For four months I worked out 3-4 times

per week

vigorously, and although I lost a few pounds, I was still overweight.

Lots of obvious fat storage. Excess.

And I was only 40 lbs overweight, which is a lot less than some.

You need to fix the adrenals.

Then take Armour. Read the stopthethyroidmadness.com site.

And after years of detox and balancing hormones,

then you will lose weight.

Ali

On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:28 PM, Roni Molin wrote:

> Eileen I understand how you feel, but if you need the medication,

> you need the medication.

> Basically, you need to put in less than your body burns every day.

> If you start making

> your portions smaller, and cut down on sugars and other carbs by

> reading the nutrition

> labels, you will find that you can lose, slowly, but you will lose.

> Then when you add some

> exercise to that, you will lose some more. Good luck to you, I know

> it's hard. I'm battling

> the same thing.

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>

> From: eileen_kurlan <eileen_kurlan@...>

> Subject: Losing Weight

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:20 PM

>

> I got married two years ago. Before my wedding i was in the gym and

> losing weight. About a year ago i was diagnosed hypo and started

> levothyroxine (not sure if that is spelled right). I tried going

> back to the gym (i had gained some weight back after the wedding).

> I cannot lose any weight. It's frustrating cause i'd rather go off

> the meds go to the gym and lose the weight.

>

> Any suggestions.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

One more thing..

I recently took someones advice on this group to

take L-Tyrosine which is an amino acid and makes

more thyroid hormone, speeding up the metabolism.

I started taking it it 500mg, once per day.

I am less hungry, and I started pooping more.

That is all good news!

Ali

On Mar 9, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Alison Trotta-Marshall wrote:

> I disagree with the previous statement.

> There have been studies done, where people with Hypothyroidism still

> gain

> weight eating 500 calories per day.

> I even did an experiment where I took $4000 from my retirement account

> and hired a personal trainer. For four months I worked out 3-4 times

> per week

> vigorously, and although I lost a few pounds, I was still overweight.

> Lots of obvious fat storage. Excess.

> And I was only 40 lbs overweight, which is a lot less than some.

> You need to fix the adrenals.

> Then take Armour. Read the stopthethyroidmadness.com site.

> And after years of detox and balancing hormones,

> then you will lose weight.

> Ali

> On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:28 PM, Roni Molin wrote:

>

> > Eileen I understand how you feel, but if you need the medication,

> > you need the medication.

> > Basically, you need to put in less than your body burns every day.

> > If you start making

> > your portions smaller, and cut down on sugars and other carbs by

> > reading the nutrition

> > labels, you will find that you can lose, slowly, but you will lose.

> > Then when you add some

> > exercise to that, you will lose some more. Good luck to you, I know

> > it's hard. I'm battling

> > the same thing.

> >

> > Roni

> > <>Just because something

> > isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> > not there<>

> >

> >

> >

> > From: eileen_kurlan <eileen_kurlan@...>

> > Subject: Losing Weight

> > hypothyroidism

> > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:20 PM

> >

> > I got married two years ago. Before my wedding i was in the gym and

> > losing weight. About a year ago i was diagnosed hypo and started

> > levothyroxine (not sure if that is spelled right). I tried going

> > back to the gym (i had gained some weight back after the wedding).

> > I cannot lose any weight. It's frustrating cause i'd rather go off

> > the meds go to the gym and lose the weight.

> >

> > Any suggestions.

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes the slowing of the metabolism is the issue. I exercise a lot and when I was

under medicated with T4... the abdominal fat would not go away. If you are

still hypo and exercising not only will your metabolism not speed up but the way

it goes is carbs are used for energy first THEN muscle breakdown is next.... the

fat is the last thing to go, if at all. At least, thats the way it was with me.

My Muscle breakdown enzymes are through the roof when I exercise while hypo.

The enzymes strain the kidneys and the liver if I go too far with the exercise.

Testing has shown this again and again.

I was surprise to learn that when you run a marathon of 25 MILES.... you burn

only 3000 calories. Interesting that some people think that 30 minutes of walk

on a treadmill will reverse bad eating. Its just not the case.

I do know that some bodybuilders abuse cytomel to lose body fat. These guys

(without thyroid disease!) are taking 50 mcg and more for weeks at a time to

speed the weight loss by increasing the metabolism. Interesting that I rarely

hear anyone on these boards that actually have Thyroid disease and abuse their

meds for rapid weight loss... yet thousands are doing it.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bodybuilding+cytomel.

________________________________

From: Alison Trotta-Marshall <rubyrain11@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 9:56:53 AM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight

I disagree with the previous statement.

There have been studies done, where people with Hypothyroidism still

gain

weight eating 500 calories per day.

I even did an experiment where I took $4000 from my retirement account

and hired a personal trainer. For four months I worked out 3-4 times

per week

vigorously, and although I lost a few pounds, I was still overweight.

Lots of obvious fat storage. Excess.

And I was only 40 lbs overweight, which is a lot less than some.

You need to fix the adrenals.

Then take Armour. Read the stopthethyroidmadne ss.com site.

And after years of detox and balancing hormones,

then you will lose weight.

Ali

On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:28 PM, Roni Molin wrote:

> Eileen I understand how you feel, but if you need the medication,

> you need the medication.

> Basically, you need to put in less than your body burns every day.

> If you start making

> your portions smaller, and cut down on sugars and other carbs by

> reading the nutrition

> labels, you will find that you can lose, slowly, but you will lose.

> Then when you add some

> exercise to that, you will lose some more. Good luck to you, I know

> it's hard. I'm battling

> the same thing.

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>

> From: eileen_kurlan <eileen_kurlan>

> Subject: Losing Weight

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:20 PM

>

> I got married two years ago. Before my wedding i was in the gym and

> losing weight. About a year ago i was diagnosed hypo and started

> levothyroxine (not sure if that is spelled right). I tried going

> back to the gym (i had gained some weight back after the wedding).

> I cannot lose any weight. It's frustrating cause i'd rather go off

> the meds go to the gym and lose the weight.

>

> Any suggestions.

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Exercise is for the heart, toning muscles and firming the body. You can exercise

for

hours each day, but if you are putting in lots of calories, especially

carbohydrates, you

probably won't lose weight as a hypothyroid. The body can only use sugar to burn

for

energy. So, if you are providing it with an abundance of carbs, which it can

burn, any excess food is converted to fat and stored. If you lower your overall

portions and especially lower your carbs, your body is forced to convert it's

fat storage into sugar to furn for fuel. Then you will lose weight.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

> From: eileen_kurlan <eileen_kurlan@...>

> Subject: Losing Weight

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:20 PM

>

> I got married two years ago.  Before my wedding i was in the gym and 

> losing weight.  About a year ago i was diagnosed hypo and started 

> levothyroxine (not sure if that is spelled right).  I tried going 

> back to the gym (i had gained some weight back after the wedding).   

> I cannot lose any weight.  It's frustrating cause i'd rather go off 

> the meds go to the gym and lose the weight.

>

> Any suggestions.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

That sounds interesting.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

> >

> > From: eileen_kurlan <eileen_kurlan@...>

> > Subject: Losing Weight

> > hypothyroidism

> > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:20 PM

> >

> > I got married two years ago. Before my wedding i was in the gym and

> > losing weight. About a year ago i was diagnosed hypo and started

> > levothyroxine (not sure if that is spelled right). I tried going

> > back to the gym (i had gained some weight back after the wedding).

> > I cannot lose any weight. It's frustrating cause i'd rather go off

> > the meds go to the gym and lose the weight.

> >

> > Any suggestions.

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

, I never read anywhere that the body will burn muscle before fat if

deprived of sugar.

It's easier for the body to conver fat than muscle, and I believe it will do

that first. However, if you are exercising to excess, I don't know if that

changes things.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

> From: eileen_kurlan <eileen_kurlan>

> Subject: Losing Weight

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:20 PM

>

> I got married two years ago.  Before my wedding i was in the gym and

> losing weight.  About a year ago i was diagnosed hypo and started

> levothyroxine (not sure if that is spelled right).  I tried going

> back to the gym (i had gained some weight back after the wedding).

> I cannot lose any weight.  It's frustrating cause i'd rather go off

> the meds go to the gym and lose the weight.

>

> Any suggestions.

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Alison-

the reason why those people gained weight on 500 calories a day is that

that amount was TOO LOW for healthy body functioning and the brain sensed

that they were starving and thus shut down the metabolism. That study was a

sham and should have been considered Medical Malpractice.

Nancie

-- Losing Weight

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:20 PM

>

> I got married two years ago. Before my wedding i was in the gym and

> losing weight. About a year ago i was diagnosed hypo and started

> levothyroxine (not sure if that is spelled right). I tried going

> back to the gym (i had gained some weight back after the wedding).

> I cannot lose any weight. It's frustrating cause i'd rather go off

> the meds go to the gym and lose the weight.

>

> Any suggestions.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

It depends on whether or not you walk uphill on the treadmill and the length

of time.

You have to walk 15,000 steps per day to lose weight and if you use a

treadmill you have to ramp us the speed to at least 3.0 and walk at

elevation of at least 3.0 for 45 minutes to 60 minutes at least 5 days a

week to achieve weight loss.

If you walk outside, you have to use a pedometer and walk at a good clip and

walk hills to achieve weight loss. The hills don't have to be steep, but you

must walk a varied terrain. Otherwise the body gets used to the workout and

your metabolism does not get challenged.

Nancie



Nancie E. Barnett, RN, MSN, FNP, NPNP

-------Original Message-------

From:

Yes the slowing of the metabolism is the issue. I exercise a lot and when I

was under medicated with T4... the abdominal fat would not go away. If you

are still hypo and exercising not only will your metabolism not speed up but

the way it goes is carbs are used for energy first THEN muscle breakdown is

next.... the fat is the last thing to go, if at all. At least, thats the way

it was with me. My Muscle breakdown enzymes are through the roof when I

exercise while hypo. The enzymes strain the kidneys and the liver if I go

too far with the exercise. Testing has shown this again and again.

..

[Guest guest]

Ron-

you are correct. Muscle is the last to go. You see that with starving

persons. The muscle is the last thing to go after the fat goes. That still

is the same with exercise. You lose the fat, then the muscle starts to go if

you are not eating enough calories every day to avoid muscle wasting.

Nancie

-- Losing Weight

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:20 PM

>

> I got married two years ago. Before my wedding i was in the gym and

> losing weight. About a year ago i was diagnosed hypo and started

> levothyroxine (not sure if that is spelled right). I tried going

> back to the gym (i had gained some weight back after the wedding).

> I cannot lose any weight. It's frustrating cause i'd rather go off

> the meds go to the gym and lose the weight.

>

> Any suggestions.

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's called Rhabdomyolysis (Rhabdomyolysis is the rapid breakdown of skeletal

muscle tissue due to injury to muscle tissue.)

and although this study says it's uncommon in hypothyroid... it's happening to

me and to my friend. Probably because we exercise so much. Note that the

conclusion to the study shows that it clears up when the subject is on thyroid

hormone. My T3 drops rapidly and I become hypo then my muscles turn to mush

and my facial skin hangs.

My friend is painfully under medicated for hypothyroidism (don't ask) and she

often has high liver enzymes and high muscle breakdown enzymes (CK). It is

well known that hypothyroidism will interfere with muscle development and I

personally believe it is the muscle breakdown it causes.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/n171641155374316/

________________________________

From: Roni Molin <matchermaam@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 1:20:57 PM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight

, I never read anywhere that the body will burn muscle before fat if

deprived of sugar.

It's easier for the body to conver fat than muscle, and I believe it will do

that first. However, if you are exercising to excess, I don't know if that

changes things.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

> From: eileen_kurlan <eileen_kurlan>

> Subject: Losing Weight

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:20 PM

>

> I got married two years ago. Before my wedding i was in the gym and

> losing weight. About a year ago i was diagnosed hypo and started

> levothyroxine (not sure if that is spelled right). I tried going

> back to the gym (i had gained some weight back after the wedding).

> I cannot lose any weight. It's frustrating cause i'd rather go off

> the meds go to the gym and lose the weight.

>

> Any suggestions.

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Come on now... this is a hypothyroid forum. Am I actually hearing that when you

all got diagnosed as hypothyroid you didn't suddenly have a problem with gaining

weight? I was lifting hundreds of pounds with weightlifting and running 5 miles

5 times a week and started to get fat! No diet change.

If I lower my levoxyl by 12.5 mcg for a month I will be 10 pound heavier in less

than 60 days. In fact if I wanted to lose 10 pounds I would adjust it upward

and it would fall off... I would be a bit jittery but it definitely speeds up my

metabolism.

________________________________

From: Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 1:29:37 PM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight

Alison-

the reason why those people gained weight on 500 calories a day is that

that amount was TOO LOW for healthy body functioning and the brain sensed

that they were starving and thus shut down the metabolism. That study was a

sham and should have been considered Medical Malpractice.

Nancie

-- Losing Weight

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:20 PM

>

> I got married two years ago. Before my wedding i was in the gym and

> losing weight. About a year ago i was diagnosed hypo and started

> levothyroxine (not sure if that is spelled right). I tried going

> back to the gym (i had gained some weight back after the wedding).

> I cannot lose any weight. It's frustrating cause i'd rather go off

> the meds go to the gym and lose the weight.

>

> Any suggestions.

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I see. It's basically cause by the hypo, but aggravated by the exercise.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

> From: eileen_kurlan <eileen_kurlan>

> Subject: Losing Weight

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:20 PM

>

> I got married two years ago.  Before my wedding i was in the gym and

> losing weight.  About a year ago i was diagnosed hypo and started

> levothyroxine (not sure if that is spelled right).  I tried going

> back to the gym (i had gained some weight back after the wedding).

> I cannot lose any weight.  It's frustrating cause i'd rather go off

> the meds go to the gym and lose the weight.

>

> Any suggestions.

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Again, it's the moderate lowering of caloric intake, and the somewhat greater

lowering of the carbohydrate intake that will help lower weight, without the

exercise.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

> From: eileen_kurlan <eileen_kurlan>

> Subject: Losing Weight

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:20 PM

>

> I got married two years ago. Before my wedding i was in the gym and

> losing weight. About a year ago i was diagnosed hypo and started

> levothyroxine (not sure if that is spelled right). I tried going

> back to the gym (i had gained some weight back after the wedding).

> I cannot lose any weight. It's frustrating cause i'd rather go off

> the meds go to the gym and lose the weight.

>

> Any suggestions.

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I how I wish you were right and it was all that easy. Make that statement to

any bodybuilder who is struggling to lose weight and keep his (or her) hard

earned muscle and you will see how wrong that is however. Body building forums

are all about that issue.... retaining muscle.

" Probably the most important point to remember about cortisol and diet is that

when glycogen (stored carbohydrate) in the body gets low, cortisol levels rise.

This makes perfect sense when you keep in mind that carbohydrate is your body's

preferred source of calories. When the body does not have enough precious

carbohydrates available, alternative sources of energy must be found. The only

other options the body has for calories are fat and protein. Rising cortisol

levels will speed up the breakdown of lean tissue (protein) in your body and

convert the released amino acids into glucose (carbohydrate) for fuel. At the

same time, rising cortisol will speed up the release of free fatty acids (from

your body fat stores), making more body fat available for aerobic metabolism.

(3,4)

Despite the fact that your body may use more fat when your glycogen levels are

down, it will also use more muscle. "

________________________________

From: Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 1:44:34 PM

Subject: Re: Losing Weight

Ron-

you are correct. Muscle is the last to go. You see that with starving

persons. The muscle is the last thing to go after the fat goes. That still

is the same with exercise. You lose the fat, then the muscle starts to go if

you are not eating enough calories every day to avoid muscle wasting.

Nancie

-- Losing Weight

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:20 PM

>

> I got married two years ago. Before my wedding i was in the gym and

> losing weight. About a year ago i was diagnosed hypo and started

> levothyroxine (not sure if that is spelled right). I tried going

> back to the gym (i had gained some weight back after the wedding).

> I cannot lose any weight. It's frustrating cause i'd rather go off

> the meds go to the gym and lose the weight.

>

> Any suggestions.

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>