Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I did not say that. You are twisting my words so go piss off -- Re: Losing Weight >> >> Come on now... this is a hypothyroid forum. Am I actually hearing that > when >> you all got diagnosed as hypothyroid you didn't suddenly have a problem > with >> gaining weight? I was lifting hundreds of pounds with weightlifting and >> running 5 miles 5 times a week and started to get fat! No diet change. >> >> If I lower my levoxyl by 12.5 mcg for a month I will be 10 pound heavier > in >> less than 60 days. In fact if I wanted to lose 10 pounds I would adjust it >> upward and it would fall off... I would be a bit jittery but it definitely >> speeds up my metabolism. -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I guess you are having trouble following posts read can you, I was not addressing you UNLESS you have multiple ideinties, which is classic of a TROLL -- Re: Losing Weight > > Come on now... this is a hypothyroid forum. Am I actually hearing that when > you all got diagnosed as hypothyroid you didn't suddenly have a problem with > gaining weight? I was lifting hundreds of pounds with weightlifting and > running 5 miles 5 times a week and started to get fat! No diet change. > > If I lower my levoxyl by 12.5 mcg for a month I will be 10 pound heavier in > less than 60 days. In fact if I wanted to lose 10 pounds I would adjust it > upward and it would fall off... I would be a bit jittery but it definitely > speeds up my metabolism. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > F > > -- > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I guess you are having trouble following posts , I was not addressing you UNLESS you have multiple ID's, which is classic of a TROLL -- Re: Losing Weight > > Come on now... this is a hypothyroid forum. Am I actually hearing that when > you all got diagnosed as hypothyroid you didn't suddenly have a problem with > gaining weight? I was lifting hundreds of pounds with weightlifting and > running 5 miles 5 times a week and started to get fat! No diet change. > > If I lower my levoxyl by 12.5 mcg for a month I will be 10 pound heavier in > less than 60 days. In fact if I wanted to lose 10 pounds I would adjust it > upward and it would fall off... I would be a bit jittery but it definitely > speeds up my metabolism. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > F > > -- > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Well, it was a guess as to why you made two conflicting statements and I made clear that I was guessing as to a possible resolution - why the statements weren't necessarily conflicting based on my understanding of your position on 0 calorie and 500 calorie diets. What you said was in quotes in the post. What I said were clearly my words. Nancie Barnett wrote: > I did not say that. You are twisting my words so go piss off I appreciate active participation in an email list and would never tell you to go away. Cheers, -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Steve- sorry about telling you to go piss off, but the whole debate was getting to be a drag. You don't agree with me and I don't agree with you. But, at least you did not call me a troll or imply that I was nuts or lying, so we have to agree to disagree on this topic. Cheers -- Re: Re: Losing Weight Well, it was a guess as to why you made two conflicting statements and I made clear that I was guessing as to a possible resolution - why the statements weren't necessarily conflicting based on my understanding of your position on 0 calorie and 500 calorie diets. What you said was in quotes in the post. What I said were clearly my words. Nancie Barnett wrote: > I did not say that. You are twisting my words so go piss off I appreciate active participation in an email list and would never tell you to go away. Cheers, -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Peace to you. Steve Nancie Barnett wrote: > Steve- > sorry about telling you to go piss off, but the whole debate was getting to > be a drag. > You don't agree with me and I don't agree with you. > But, at least you did not call me a troll or imply that I was nuts or lying, > so we have to agree to disagree on this topic. > Cheers -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 and group...  I'm so glad that you have been able to lower you weight and it's effecst on your body. That takes a LOT of self-control and inner strength.  When I say that losing weight will help everyone who has bad back and is carrying a little extra. I do mean that across the board. It doesn't mean it will cure your problem, but it WILL decrease pain...absolutely. Even me....I'm 5'4 " and I weigh 140. It's not overweight at all, but my natural weight is closer to 130 and I can feel a big difference in my pain when I fluctuate towards 150. Hold a ten pond weight in front of you...it's a decent amount of weight. Now, if you had that on your back, no big deal. your spine is able to carry a tremendous axial load...it is NOT however capable of carrying the weight, when it's pulling from the front, without negative side effects. The disks start slipping and sliding and the muscles pull and tense up.  That being said, no matter what is wrong with your back, if you are carrying some extra weight, it WILL help to lose it. people who are not even pverweight but carrying a little extra...can ALL benefit from losing a little.  Which brings me to think....(and please don't anyone take offense as I am included in this)....why is it that we have the power to HELP the pain by keeping our weight down and working our core to keep it strong...but we often fail to do so? I know when I do my tummy exercizes that are gentle, they make my pain much better. But I fail to do them on a regular basis. Why is that. I gorge on sweets and don't eat a healthy diet so I carry a little " fluff " around my middle. I think for me ,and I know others here feel this way also, I eat when I'm hurting and depressed and tired. I say that it gives me one little speck of happiness when everything else fails. But maybe I wouldn't hurt so bad if I took better care of my body.  I'd like to hear from others on this...  Regards, in RI From: Loest <boltzero@...> Subject: Re: This one is to . spinal problems Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 7:04 AM > > I ABSOLUTELY wholeheartedly believe that losing weight WILL ease back pain. When I think of my weight and how it fluctuates between 175lbs to an all time high of 204lbs, I observed several factors during the gradual weight gain that affected the problem in L5 that " hopefully " will be corrected soon with surgery. 1. Most of the weight gathered in my belly, my posture changed to support the extra weight. In principle like a bow being drawn back to fire an arrow, and there was a dramatic increase in the frequency/intensity of chronic pain. 2. Bending forward during the weight increase became more difficult simply because there was more gut to fold in. Squatting instead of bending enabled me to avoid inflaming or slipping L5. 3. My balance was affected by the weight increase, needing to shift my posture to navigate corners, stairs, or uneven surfaces and I was self-aware that I was moving around differently than before. 4. My joints were becoming inflamed by the dynamics of coping with the extra weight and the fine adjustments needed while moving around, I was getting worn out much more rapidly as the weight increased. 5. It's been said before, carrying around extra weight is like carrying a loaded backpack, sometimes more than one - and the concept is true. 6. When I did loose weight and went back down to 175lbs, a lot of the inflammation and other high end pain subsided along with the recurrent frequency of incident. 7. Everyone is built and wired differently, my weight gain and recurring pain is exclusive to me and I would not apply the experience to anyone else's current profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 I definitely agree that losing weight CAN help reduce back pain, but just because you lose weight does not mean it will help for sure. For me it did not. This past year I went from 180 to 125, and my back pain did not get better - actually, it's much worse than it ever has been - but I have DDD, so I don't think anything I could have done myself would have helped. That's why I am finally having surgery in about 4 weeks, after 10 years of pain. I am so glad that some of you have found pain relief after losing weight - it's not easy but it's worth it. Carrying extra weight on your frame is not good for your back. I do think that people who are overweight or obese should definitely try to lose weight and see if it does help with your pain - if anything, it will help your overall health. I think doctors should suggest weight loss to patients with back pain - of course, it's not a guarantee that it will help reduce your pain, just like anything else - surgery is not a guarantee either. on a side note, I know someone who is pretty overweight who just had disc replacement surgery - I was very surprised that the doctor did the surgery on her. I just don't think it's responsible of a doc to operate on someone who is really overweight, because the weight puts a load on the discs, and she will probably end up having more surgery down the road. I think he should have asked her to lose weight to see if it helped first. Jenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 , Well everyone has an opinion, (as well as other things I/we don't have to go into.), and we all know, and been told many times,  that losing weight will help in pain control. My question is, OK I know I have a LOT of extra I need to loose, but HOW, when I try to take a walk, do some exercise, or what ever, I experience so much more pain that I tend to not do those things that cause it. I am at my wits end trying to convince myself to do something, when it hurts so bad. I know everyone can say you just have to push yourself, make yourself get up and go, but I have suffered so much, the pain has been so intense, that I have to talk myself into just getting up. I know that some will say that I'm just lazy, and/or I just do not have the will power or desire to get better, but for the life of me this is just a night mare I am living in. I can't enjoy anything, not even sitting here typing on my PC, do I enjoy...I'm not trying to belittle anyone else's pain, but no one really understands, my PM doc says to me: you have to do this, you have to push yourself to walk, you have to lay down and rest your back, But when I try, it's just so horrible...I find myself in a lost for words to explain how it feels. I don't eat much, OK maybe I do get into that " sweets " thing every now and then, but other than that I may eat one meal a day, and when I do my DW fixes my plate exactly the same amount as what she eats, but I don't finish it because I get nauseous. So I am not gorging myself all day really I guess I really don't have an opinion at all, just my experiences with pain and how it effects my every movement. My doc Rx's medication to control pain, but just enough to bring my level down to keep me out of tears, so why can't they just take it to the next step, and use those drugs that are considered too dangerous by the DEA, or whom ever makes that decision on whats dangerous. I myself are willing to take the chance on taking something that will make me get up and moving, and worry about the consequences after I get my health/strength back. I mean what is the worst that can happen? I get hooked on a very strong drug? That can happen with the medications I am currently on now, can't it? I'm done now, thank you for listening/reading if you make it this far. I apologize if I offend or hurt any-ones feeling, that is not my intention.  Bama,  The dog has seldom been successful in pulling man up to its level of sagacity, but man has frequently dragged the dog down to his. Thurber                                                                             ________________________________ From: Babbitt <tpowell1977@...> spinal problems Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:46:13 AM Subject: Re: Losing weight and group...  I'm so glad that you have been able to lower you weight and it's effecst on your body. That takes a LOT of self-control and inner strength.  When I say that losing weight will help everyone who has bad back and is carrying a little extra. I do mean that across the board. It doesn't mean it will cure your problem, but it WILL decrease pain...absolutely. Even me....I'm 5'4 " and I weigh 140. It's not overweight at all, but my natural weight is closer to 130 and I can feel a big difference in my pain when I fluctuate towards 150. Hold a ten pond weight in front of you...it's a decent amount of weight. Now, if you had that on your back, no big deal. your spine is able to carry a tremendous axial load...it is NOT however capable of carrying the weight, when it's pulling from the front, without negative side effects. The disks start slipping and sliding and the muscles pull and tense up.  That being said, no matter what is wrong with your back, if you are carrying some extra weight, it WILL help to lose it. people who are not even pverweight but carrying a little extra...can ALL benefit from losing a little.  Which brings me to think....(and please don't anyone take offense as I am included in this)....why is it that we have the power to HELP the pain by keeping our weight down and working our core to keep it strong...but we often fail to do so? I know when I do my tummy exercizes that are gentle, they make my pain much better. But I fail to do them on a regular basis. Why is that. I gorge on sweets and don't eat a healthy diet so I carry a little " fluff " around my middle. I think for me ,and I know others here feel this way also, I eat when I'm hurting and depressed and tired. I say that it gives me one little speck of happiness when everything else fails. But maybe I wouldn't hurt so bad if I took better care of my body.  I'd like to hear from others on this...  Regards, in RI From: Loest <boltzerosbcglobal (DOT) net> Subject: Re: This one is to . spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 7:04 AM > > I ABSOLUTELY wholeheartedly believe that losing weight WILL ease back pain. When I think of my weight and how it fluctuates between 175lbs to an all time high of 204lbs, I observed several factors during the gradual weight gain that affected the problem in L5 that " hopefully " will be corrected soon with surgery. 1. Most of the weight gathered in my belly, my posture changed to support the extra weight. In principle like a bow being drawn back to fire an arrow, and there was a dramatic increase in the frequency/intensity of chronic pain. 2. Bending forward during the weight increase became more difficult simply because there was more gut to fold in. Squatting instead of bending enabled me to avoid inflaming or slipping L5. 3. My balance was affected by the weight increase, needing to shift my posture to navigate corners, stairs, or uneven surfaces and I was self-aware that I was moving around differently than before. 4. My joints were becoming inflamed by the dynamics of coping with the extra weight and the fine adjustments needed while moving around, I was getting worn out much more rapidly as the weight increased. 5. It's been said before, carrying around extra weight is like carrying a loaded backpack, sometimes more than one - and the concept is true. 6. When I did loose weight and went back down to 175lbs, a lot of the inflammation and other high end pain subsided along with the recurrent frequency of incident. 7.. Everyone is built and wired differently, my weight gain and recurring pain is exclusive to me and I would not apply the experience to anyone else's current profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 , I know you were directing your question at , but I just wanted to chime in... : ) yep - it is extremely hard to lose weight when exercise hurts so badly. It's like a catch 22 - if you want to possibly reduce your pain, you must exercise to lose weight, but to exercise, you have to not be in pain to do so! : ( I (and I'm sure many others) am in the same boat and understand completely. I lost weight not by exercising but by changing my eating habits drastically, and also by breastfeeding, which obviously you can't do : ) and chasing after a 3 yr old and a 1 yr old. I did not do it the traditional way and I hope I am not upsetting anyone by implying that it was " easy " for me - that is not my intention. I just wanted to share my experiences and let you know that you are not alone. None of us think you are lazy - pain is a terribly debilitating thing and affects every single aspect of your life, especially your ability to not just exercise, but to physically get out of bed in the morning. As far as the medication thing goes, I just went back to my pain doc and told him: I am in severe pain. My meds are not working. He put me on something much stronger and it does help a little more, but it does not take the pain away as most pain pills don't. I am in agony and I totally understand what you are feeling. Jenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 , Â I agree wholeheartedly!!! On several of your points. I don't have an answer for HOW you accomplish this feat. I am in the same place as you for the most part, though I am able to walk without much pain. For the whole past week, when I'm not at work those two days, I have been sitting on my couch, trying to get myself up and DO something. Laundry, vaccuum, take a walk, go to the market...but I've struggled and lost every day. I'm feeling depression setting in as despair sets in as well. HOW DO you force yourself to get up when your body feels like a painful lead weight? It's hard. I don't know how. I DO know that when I've forced myself to get out the door...even if I say I'm just going to walk to the end of my street and back...well I've felt better. Maybe taking a ten minute walk is too daunting. Start smaller. how about to the end of the driveway and back and see how you feel. perhaps you could do it just one more time? Try to add to it everyday. Â I also agree with your point about the medications. You need good pain control if you are going to get moving. If your PM doc isn't interested, get a second opinion. Even if it's short term use, like a month. If you can get moving, you WILL feel better. Those aches will ease a little as you get your joints moving. Take a few minutes to be outside and smell the fresh air, feel the warmth of the sun on your face...and try to find a reason to keep going. Â If we need to start an accountibility blog here we can. Lets add our name to a list everyday when we walk, no matter how long or far we walk. Lets lift each other up and give each other a reason to walk. I'm sure there's a little competitive streak here somewhere... Â Have a great low pain day... Â --- in RI From: Loest <boltzero@sbcglobal . net> Subject: Re: This one is to . spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 7:04 AM > > I ABSOLUTELY wholeheartedly believe that losing weight WILL ease back pain. When I think of my weight and how it fluctuates between 175lbs to an all time high of 204lbs, I observed several factors during the gradual weight gain that affected the problem in L5 that " hopefully " will be corrected soon with surgery. 1. Most of the weight gathered in my belly, my posture changed to support the extra weight. In principle like a bow being drawn back to fire an arrow, and there was a dramatic increase in the frequency/intensity of chronic pain. 2. Bending forward during the weight increase became more difficult simply because there was more gut to fold in. Squatting instead of bending enabled me to avoid inflaming or slipping L5. 3. My balance was affected by the weight increase, needing to shift my posture to navigate corners, stairs, or uneven surfaces and I was self-aware that I was moving around differently than before. 4. My joints were becoming inflamed by the dynamics of coping with the extra weight and the fine adjustments needed while moving around, I was getting worn out much more rapidly as the weight increased. 5. It's been said before, carrying around extra weight is like carrying a loaded backpack, sometimes more than one - and the concept is true. 6. When I did loose weight and went back down to 175lbs, a lot of the inflammation and other high end pain subsided along with the recurrent frequency of incident. 7.. Everyone is built and wired differently, my weight gain and recurring pain is exclusive to me and I would not apply the experience to anyone else's current profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Hey ... Can you be milked?............. (chuckle) Â --- From: <sessions.jennifer@...> Subject: Re: Losing weight spinal problems Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 12:28 PM , I know you were directing your question at , but I just wanted to chime in... : ) yep - it is extremely hard to lose weight when exercise hurts so badly. It's like a catch 22 - if you want to possibly reduce your pain, you must exercise to lose weight, but to exercise, you have to not be in pain to do so! : ( I (and I'm sure many others) am in the same boat and understand completely. I lost weight not by exercising but by changing my eating habits drastically, and also by breastfeeding, which obviously you can't do : ) and chasing after a 3 yr old and a 1 yr old. I did not do it the traditional way and I hope I am not upsetting anyone by implying that it was " easy " for me - that is not my intention. I just wanted to share my experiences and let you know that you are not alone. None of us think you are lazy - pain is a terribly debilitating thing and affects every single aspect of your life, especially your ability to not just exercise, but to physically get out of bed in the morning. As far as the medication thing goes, I just went back to my pain doc and told him: I am in severe pain. My meds are not working. He put me on something much stronger and it does help a little more, but it does not take the pain away as most pain pills don't. I am in agony and I totally understand what you are feeling. Jenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 LOL , Thanks for the laugh, but geez girl you sure left yourself open on that one <BIG GRIN> YUP I can be milked, but not in the same area Jenn was talking about!!!!  Bama,  The dog has seldom been successful in pulling man up to its level of sagacity, but man has frequently dragged the dog down to his. Thurber                                                                             ________________________________ From: Babbitt <tpowell1977@...> spinal problems Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 12:44:01 PM Subject: Re: Re: Losing weight Hey ... Can you be milked?..... ........ (chuckle)  --- From: <sessions.jennifer@ gmail.com> Subject: Re: Losing weight spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 12:28 PM , I know you were directing your question at , but I just wanted to chime in... : ) yep - it is extremely hard to lose weight when exercise hurts so badly. It's like a catch 22 - if you want to possibly reduce your pain, you must exercise to lose weight, but to exercise, you have to not be in pain to do so! : ( I (and I'm sure many others) am in the same boat and understand completely. I lost weight not by exercising but by changing my eating habits drastically, and also by breastfeeding, which obviously you can't do : ) and chasing after a 3 yr old and a 1 yr old. I did not do it the traditional way and I hope I am not upsetting anyone by implying that it was " easy " for me - that is not my intention. I just wanted to share my experiences and let you know that you are not alone. None of us think you are lazy - pain is a terribly debilitating thing and affects every single aspect of your life, especially your ability to not just exercise, but to physically get out of bed in the morning. As far as the medication thing goes, I just went back to my pain doc and told him: I am in severe pain. My meds are not working. He put me on something much stronger and it does help a little more, but it does not take the pain away as most pain pills don't. I am in agony and I totally understand what you are feeling. Jenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Ah ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You naughty boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From: <sessions.jennifer@ gmail.com> Subject: Re: Losing weight spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 12:28 PM , I know you were directing your question at , but I just wanted to chime in... : ) yep - it is extremely hard to lose weight when exercise hurts so badly. It's like a catch 22 - if you want to possibly reduce your pain, you must exercise to lose weight, but to exercise, you have to not be in pain to do so! : ( I (and I'm sure many others) am in the same boat and understand completely. I lost weight not by exercising but by changing my eating habits drastically, and also by breastfeeding, which obviously you can't do : ) and chasing after a 3 yr old and a 1 yr old. I did not do it the traditional way and I hope I am not upsetting anyone by implying that it was " easy " for me - that is not my intention. I just wanted to share my experiences and let you know that you are not alone. None of us think you are lazy - pain is a terribly debilitating thing and affects every single aspect of your life, especially your ability to not just exercise, but to physically get out of bed in the morning. As far as the medication thing goes, I just went back to my pain doc and told him: I am in severe pain. My meds are not working. He put me on something much stronger and it does help a little more, but it does not take the pain away as most pain pills don't. I am in agony and I totally understand what you are feeling. Jenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 , That sounds like a good idea, I belong to the Nicotine-Busters group here on , and they have a quit meter that actually calculates for example how much $ you save. I know that is kinda far fetched for your idea, but?... Anyways, thanks for the answer you gave on my last post, I thought it might just be me, and depression getting me down again, because I am truly trying to do what my doc says. I just can't seem to get the motivation.  Bama,  The dog has seldom been successful in pulling man up to its level of sagacity, but man has frequently dragged the dog down to his. Thurber                                                                             ________________________________ From: Babbitt <tpowell1977@...> spinal problems Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 12:42:41 PM Subject: Re: Re: Losing weight ,  I agree wholeheartedly! !! On several of your points. I don't have an answer for HOW you accomplish this feat. I am in the same place as you for the most part, though I am able to walk without much pain. For the whole past week, when I'm not at work those two days, I have been sitting on my couch, trying to get myself up and DO something. Laundry, vaccuum, take a walk, go to the market...but I've struggled and lost every day.. I'm feeling depression setting in as despair sets in as well. HOW DO you force yourself to get up when your body feels like a painful lead weight? It's hard. I don't know how. I DO know that when I've forced myself to get out the door...even if I say I'm just going to walk to the end of my street and back...well I've felt better. Maybe taking a ten minute walk is too daunting. Start smaller. how about to the end of the driveway and back and see how you feel. perhaps you could do it just one more time? Try to add to it everyday.  I also agree with your point about the medications. You need good pain control if you are going to get moving. If your PM doc isn't interested, get a second opinion. Even if it's short term use, like a month. If you can get moving, you WILL feel better. Those aches will ease a little as you get your joints moving. Take a few minutes to be outside and smell the fresh air, feel the warmth of the sun on your face...and try to find a reason to keep going.  If we need to start an accountibility blog here we can. Lets add our name to a list everyday when we walk, no matter how long or far we walk. Lets lift each other up and give each other a reason to walk. I'm sure there's a little competitive streak here somewhere....  Have a great low pain day...  --- in RI From: Loest <boltzero@sbcglobal . net> Subject: Re: This one is to . spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 7:04 AM > > I ABSOLUTELY wholeheartedly believe that losing weight WILL ease back pain. When I think of my weight and how it fluctuates between 175lbs to an all time high of 204lbs, I observed several factors during the gradual weight gain that affected the problem in L5 that " hopefully " will be corrected soon with surgery. 1. Most of the weight gathered in my belly, my posture changed to support the extra weight. In principle like a bow being drawn back to fire an arrow, and there was a dramatic increase in the frequency/intensity of chronic pain. 2. Bending forward during the weight increase became more difficult simply because there was more gut to fold in. Squatting instead of bending enabled me to avoid inflaming or slipping L5. 3.. My balance was affected by the weight increase, needing to shift my posture to navigate corners, stairs, or uneven surfaces and I was self-aware that I was moving around differently than before. 4. My joints were becoming inflamed by the dynamics of coping with the extra weight and the fine adjustments needed while moving around, I was getting worn out much more rapidly as the weight increased. 5. It's been said before, carrying around extra weight is like carrying a loaded backpack, sometimes more than one - and the concept is true. 6. When I did loose weight and went back down to 175lbs, a lot of the inflammation and other high end pain subsided along with the recurrent frequency of incident. 7.. Everyone is built and wired differently, my weight gain and recurring pain is exclusive to me and I would not apply the experience to anyone else's current profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Thanks Jenn and , for the conversation, and the support. Also the humor, I really needed that. I hope no one got offended. But, I really need to get off here, as reality sets in and the pain takes over again. I hope everyone can enjoy a much less painful day. I think we all need a break from the monster that takes over our every moment in life. God bless you all!!!  Bama,  The dog has seldom been successful in pulling man up to its level of sagacity, but man has frequently dragged the dog down to his. Thurber                                                                             ________________________________ From: <sessions.jennifer@...> spinal problems Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:28:40 AM Subject: Re: Losing weight , I know you were directing your question at , but I just wanted to chime in... : ) yep - it is extremely hard to lose weight when exercise hurts so badly. It's like a catch 22 - if you want to possibly reduce your pain, you must exercise to lose weight, but to exercise, you have to not be in pain to do so! : ( I (and I'm sure many others) am in the same boat and understand completely. I lost weight not by exercising but by changing my eating habits drastically, and also by breastfeeding, which obviously you can't do : ) and chasing after a 3 yr old and a 1 yr old. I did not do it the traditional way and I hope I am not upsetting anyone by implying that it was " easy " for me - that is not my intention. I just wanted to share my experiences and let you know that you are not alone. None of us think you are lazy - pain is a terribly debilitating thing and affects every single aspect of your life, especially your ability to not just exercise, but to physically get out of bed in the morning. As far as the medication thing goes, I just went back to my pain doc and told him: I am in severe pain. My meds are not working. He put me on something much stronger and it does help a little more, but it does not take the pain away as most pain pills don't. I am in agony and I totally understand what you are feeling. Jenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Absolutely , Â I would never insinuate that we are lazy...it's just we have so much to overcome that it seems so hard to do, neigh impossible. Today again I am struggling to do anything around the house. I FEEL lazy, but I know it's because my pain is bad today. I has been for the past week. I will commit to walking down the road today. Will someone match me and commit to walking as well? Â --- in RI From: Loest <boltzero@sbcglobal . net> Subject: Re: This one is to . spinedisorderssuppo rtgroup@gro ups.com Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 7:04 AM > > I ABSOLUTELY wholeheartedly believe that losing weight WILL ease back pain. When I think of my weight and how it fluctuates between 175lbs to an all time high of 204lbs, I observed several factors during the gradual weight gain that affected the problem in L5 that " hopefully " will be corrected soon with surgery. 1. Most of the weight gathered in my belly, my posture changed to support the extra weight. In principle like a bow being drawn back to fire an arrow, and there was a dramatic increase in the frequency/intensity of chronic pain. 2. Bending forward during the weight increase became more difficult simply because there was more gut to fold in. Squatting instead of bending enabled me to avoid inflaming or slipping L5. 3.. My balance was affected by the weight increase, needing to shift my posture to navigate corners, stairs, or uneven surfaces and I was self-aware that I was moving around differently than before. 4. My joints were becoming inflamed by the dynamics of coping with the extra weight and the fine adjustments needed while moving around, I was getting worn out much more rapidly as the weight increased. 5. It's been said before, carrying around extra weight is like carrying a loaded backpack, sometimes more than one - and the concept is true. 6. When I did loose weight and went back down to 175lbs, a lot of the inflammation and other high end pain subsided along with the recurrent frequency of incident. 7.. Everyone is built and wired differently, my weight gain and recurring pain is exclusive to me and I would not apply the experience to anyone else's current profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 i'm using ldn for 5 months. during that time i lost 6 Kilos which is about 1/10 of my wieght. i didn't change any thing in my diet. is it a common side effect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 There are several different thoughts on weight loss/gain. A few years ago I became familiar with high fat (ala Weston A Price) and questioned the calorie theory. Many people I spoke to didn't calculate calories, they just watched what they ate. High fat didn't change my weight. Counting calories didn't change my weight. But over the last 2 months I've been steadily losing. Maybe 1 lb a week or so, which is healthy. I'm also nursing, so that helps. I just watch my portions, make sure I'm getting a variety of fruits and veggies in combination with my protein. I notice when I have too much sugar, whether soda/coffee (yes yes slap my hand ) or in fruit that my weight will go up. It's just a matter of figuring out what is right for you once your thyroid levels are on a somewhat normal track. My husband can eat a ton of grains and not put on a pound but if I eat a ton of grains/sugar I gain. I've been making a lot of soups/stews, even rice, or spaghetti sauce, using pureed veggies (tomatoes, onions, bell pepper, garlic, a carrot and some kale, sometimes celery) so make sure I get a good variety. It's also the only way my daughter and husband will eat veggies. Hope that helps! Janelle On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:18 AM, secapps51 <moqui51@...> wrote: > Earlier this year, I was losing weight and could not figure out what was going on.  I had started taking vitamin D and took about 8000 mg every day because my numbers were low and I had now idea on the correct amount to take to get the numbers in range.  I read later that too much D can cause problems so I cut back to 4000 mg. I get my D level checked in about a month, and get my thyroid levels checked again. > > But I gained back the 6 pounds that I had lost earlier, and can't seem to make them budge.  I go up and down as much as 3 pounds in one day, so I assume a lot of this is water weight.  I am not overweight, but I am trying to get to one weight and stay there. > > I was wondering if anyone knows if floride in the water has any effects on weight?  I was filtering my water, but lately I have stopped and just put it in the fridge and let it sit overnight before I drink it. > > I am not a big salt user, and try to control my sugar.  I use stevia and honey, but do on occasion have those sweet treats. > > Nothing else has changed that I can think of and my thyroid numbers were fine.  I was not hyper, so I ruled that one out.  I am hypo/hashimotos. > > I eat almost all fresh veggies, no red meat, and I get some exercise every day.  Why is it so difficult for someone with a thyroid problem to lose even one pound?  What is the science behind this?  Drives me nuts. I > >  know being older that the slow metabolism figures in, but I also keep my calories very low compared to most people.  I would say I am always below 1400 calories a day, unless we eat out, but I do watch what I eat even then. I have also read that if you go too low on calories your body will go into starvation mode and you stop losing also.  Never tried that one. LOL > > I take calcium, vitamin E, Vitamin D, a digestive enzyme, and fish oil. > > I would say I average about 400 calories for breaksfast and usually  only eat a snack during the day, then try to stay around 600 for my evening meal and then have a snack later in the evening.  I may drink alcohol once a month and then it is only one drink. > > Susie > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 I don't have any answers for you Susie. You sound very much like me. When I go out to eat with others, which is rare, someone usually asks me if that is all that I'm going to eat. I eat mostly healthy foods and actually love salads and veggies. I'm not a vegetarian, but eat mostly fish, turkey, chicken, and maybe once a week beef or pork, and then it's only about a 3oz portion of a very lean cut.  I keep getting edema in my legs and feet. It comes and goes and I can never figure out what is the problem. I've tried drinking more than my usual 4 - 5 16 oz glasses of water but then I can't stop running to the bathroom, with great urgency. When I spoke to my cardiologist about it he said to definitely not increase my water.  It's very frustrating. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge!  Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: secapps51 <moqui51@...> Subject: Losing weight hypothyroidism Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 6:18 AM Earlier this year, I was losing weight and could not figure out what was going on. I had started taking vitamin D and took about 8000 mg every day because my numbers were low and I had now idea on the correct amount to take to get the numbers in range. I read later that too much D can cause problems so I cut back to 4000 mg. I get my D level checked in about a month, and get my thyroid levels checked again. But I gained back the 6 pounds that I had lost earlier, and can't seem to make them budge. I go up and down as much as 3 pounds in one day, so I assume a lot of this is water weight. I am not overweight, but I am trying to get to one weight and stay there. I was wondering if anyone knows if floride in the water has any effects on weight? I was filtering my water, but lately I have stopped and just put it in the fridge and let it sit overnight before I drink it. I am not a big salt user, and try to control my sugar. I use stevia and honey, but do on occasion have those sweet treats. Nothing else has changed that I can think of and my thyroid numbers were fine. I was not hyper, so I ruled that one out. I am hypo/hashimotos. I eat almost all fresh veggies, no red meat, and I get some exercise every day. Why is it so difficult for someone with a thyroid problem to lose even one pound? What is the science behind this? Drives me nuts. I know being older that the slow metabolism figures in, but I also keep my calories very low compared to most people. I would say I am always below 1400 calories a day, unless we eat out, but I do watch what I eat even then. I have also read that if you go too low on calories your body will go into starvation mode and you stop losing also. Never tried that one. LOL I take calcium, vitamin E, Vitamin D, a digestive enzyme, and fish oil. I would say I average about 400 calories for breaksfast and usually only eat a snack during the day, then try to stay around 600 for my evening meal and then have a snack later in the evening. I may drink alcohol once a month and then it is only one drink. Susie  ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Susie, You wrote: > ... I was wondering if anyone knows if floride in the water has any effects > on weight? I was filtering my water, but lately I have stopped and just > put it in the fridge and let it sit overnight before I drink it. Fluoride attacks both the thyroid gland and hormones in serum. A charcoal filter only removes a tiny fraction from water. You might want to consider bottled water for drinking, if your tap water is fluoridated. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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