fatigue

[Guest guest]

Taking molybdenum and pantethine complex helps the body get rid of the toxins

produced when candida dies off. These really helped my muscle pains.

[Guest guest]

" Anyone have fatigue/achy body/anxiety/cognitive issues?

i THINK i have fibromyaglia or CFS.

I also read a book linking candida with these conditions. Im wondering how many

people w/ candida problems also have fatigue/weakness "

Hi, . I definitely have a lot of fatigue! I, too, thought I might have

CFS. Luckily, I don't have any pain though.

I tried a strict candida diet along with antifungals for a month. I never had

any kind of die-off. You can try that and see if you have die-off. I figured it

wouldn't hurt anything, and it didn't.

Fatigue is a symptom of so many things, that it is difficult to figure out what

it is! I finally decided to see an ND, because my fatigue just isn't going away

no matter what I try. She tested my cortisol, DHEA, serotonin, and a couple

other things, and I have adrenal exhaustion. Even if this isn't your main

problem, your adrenals are probably still fatigued due to candida or whatever

you may be dealing with. Anxiety can be part of adrenal fatigue, as well,

depending on what stage you are in. From what I am finding, chronic fatigue and

fibromyalgia can also start as adrenal fatigue. I am not sure if that statement

is true, because I really haven't read much about chronic fatigue or

fibromyalgia.

My ND has me on targeted amino acid therapy from NeuroScience for my adrenals

and neurotransmitters (serotonin, etc.). I started feeling a little better last

month, but then became fatigued again near my period. I just started another

amino acid supplement that is supposed to really address the fatigue. I hope to

see some results within the next couple of weeks.

If you are interested in testing, there is a company that is frequently

mentioned on the adrenal fatigue list. They seem to only test cortisol and DHEA,

so I doubt the treatment involves fixing serotonin levels too, which are

possibly low. Unfortunately you have to go through a healthcare professional for

NeuroScience Inc. Their website is www.neurorelief.com if you happen to have an

open-minded doctor! I would consider saving money and trying the diet with

antifungals first!

HTH!

-Olif

[Guest guest]

I definitely have fatigue and hope clearing up the candida will help with

that.

_____

From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On

Behalf Of Z

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 3:24 PM

candidiasis

Subject: fatigue

Anyone have fatigue/achy body/anxiety/cognitive issues?

i THINK i have fibromyaglia or CFS.

I also read a book linking candida with these conditions. Im wondering how

many people w/ candida problems also have fatigue/weakness

Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@ <mailto:mccallalton%40> >

wrote:

I made a real mistake drinking furit juice, eating fruit, grains, etc.

My health has taken a real dive.

Olif <OVanPeltcomcast (DOT) <mailto:OVanPelt%40comcast.net> net> wrote:

Yes, Duncan, it is cow's milk I couldn't tolerate as an infant- until I was

about 2 1/2 years old anyway. I think my body just learned how to cope with

it by then though. Actually it didn't cope all that well, because I had my

tonsils out when I was 6. They were always enlarged, but not infected-

probably a result of my dairy intolerance. I probably shouldn't have had it

at all. It has been slightly over a year now since I eliminated dairy. I

also showed high IgG levels to goat's milk on the test I took last fall. I

hadn't even realized I was exposed to goat's milk. I imagine it is the

casein in that I am reacting to as well.

Can you recommend a specific brand of undenatured whey protein that would be

tolerated by someone with a whey sensitivity? I am almost out of rice

protein, and would love to switch to whey. I don't want to take the chance

spending money on one I can't tolerate though, so it would really help if

you can recommend one!

Thanks,

Olif

[Guest guest]

Thx for the reply and great info.

I actually have tested my cortisol and it is very very high...all day and

night. Not high enough to be considered a disease but very high. My doc didnt

suggest aaaaanything for my adrenals though..but i know my adrenals are

exhausted. Anything natural i can take? my body is very sensitive to rx's and

even natural stuff so i gotta be careful...

thx! And good luck with your new supplement!

Olif <OVanPelt@...> wrote:

" Anyone have fatigue/achy body/anxiety/cognitive issues?

i THINK i have fibromyaglia or CFS.

I also read a book linking candida with these conditions. Im wondering how many

people w/ candida problems also have fatigue/weakness "

Hi, . I definitely have a lot of fatigue! I, too, thought I might have

CFS. Luckily, I don't have any pain though.

I tried a strict candida diet along with antifungals for a month. I never had

any kind of die-off. You can try that and see if you have die-off. I figured it

wouldn't hurt anything, and it didn't.

Fatigue is a symptom of so many things, that it is difficult to figure out what

it is! I finally decided to see an ND, because my fatigue just isn't going away

no matter what I try. She tested my cortisol, DHEA, serotonin, and a couple

other things, and I have adrenal exhaustion. Even if this isn't your main

problem, your adrenals are probably still fatigued due to candida or whatever

you may be dealing with. Anxiety can be part of adrenal fatigue, as well,

depending on what stage you are in. From what I am finding, chronic fatigue and

fibromyalgia can also start as adrenal fatigue. I am not sure if that statement

is true, because I really haven't read much about chronic fatigue or

fibromyalgia.

My ND has me on targeted amino acid therapy from NeuroScience for my adrenals

and neurotransmitters (serotonin, etc.). I started feeling a little better last

month, but then became fatigued again near my period. I just started another

amino acid supplement that is supposed to really address the fatigue. I hope to

see some results within the next couple of weeks.

If you are interested in testing, there is a company that is frequently

mentioned on the adrenal fatigue list. They seem to only test cortisol and DHEA,

so I doubt the treatment involves fixing serotonin levels too, which are

possibly low. Unfortunately you have to go through a healthcare professional for

NeuroScience Inc. Their website is www.neurorelief.com if you happen to have an

open-minded doctor! I would consider saving money and trying the diet with

antifungals first!

HTH!

-Olif

[Guest guest]

thank you.

im on the candida diet and nystatin but cheat w/ occasional milk and sometimes

fruit. i feel my body needs something other than meat and eggs all the time

smkahoo <smkahoo@...> wrote:

It is certain that you will fatigue and body aches with candida>

> absolutely! i started out in horrible shape with aches and wanting

to

> sleep so much! now i'm not very tired but the first six months of

> transition for me was like riding a bull....ups and downs as far as

> energy went and the aches, yes! they progressively got so bad i

couldn't

> stand up in the morning. now i'm fine! crazy what we put ourselves

> through for food eh?

>

> Re: fatigue

>

>

>

> do you live in a moldy house or area????

>

> Z <monicaz49 (DOT) <mailto:monicaz49%40> com>

wrote:

> Anyone have fatigue/achy body/anxiety/cognitive issues?

> i THINK i have fibromyaglia or CFS.

> I also read a book linking candida with these conditions. Im

wondering

> how many people w/ candida problems also have fatigue/weakness

>

> Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@ <mailto:mccallalton%40>

> > wrote:

> I made a real mistake drinking furit juice, eating fruit, grains,

etc.

> My health has taken a real dive.

>

> Olif <OVanPeltcomcast (DOT) <mailto:OVanPelt%40comcast.net> net> wrote:

> Yes, Duncan, it is cow's milk I couldn't tolerate as an infant-

until I

> was about 2 1/2 years old anyway. I think my body just learned how

to

> cope with it by then though. Actually it didn't cope all that well,

> because I had my tonsils out when I was 6. They were always

enlarged,

> but not infected- probably a result of my dairy intolerance. I

probably

> shouldn't have had it at all. It has been slightly over a year now

since

> I eliminated dairy. I also showed high IgG levels to goat's milk

on the

> test I took last fall. I hadn't even realized I was exposed to

goat's

> milk. I imagine it is the casein in that I am reacting to as well.

>

> Can you recommend a specific brand of undenatured whey protein that

> would be tolerated by someone with a whey sensitivity? I am almost

out

> of rice protein, and would love to switch to whey. I don't want to

take

> the chance spending money on one I can't tolerate though, so it

would

> really help if you can recommend one!

>

> Thanks,

> Olif

>

>

[Guest guest]

true....i found that eating stuff with aspartame, splenda etc.....made me feel

worse than eating sugar! lol

Young <eyoung33@...> wrote: wet weather does! retreat

to your safe bubble and get some rest and

healthy food! you sound like you're reacting to aspartame or something

of the like too? have any gum or anything where it might have snuck in?

that stuff and msg can really push me over.

Re: fatigue

No.

And we are a big household. no one else is sick. Although, my mom and a

couple relatives are a lil bit more fatigued than usual...but no other

symptoms.

Today is the first cool day in my area and i notice my body aches so

bad, my fatigue is worse and brain fog is acting up. Does the weather

make this crap flair up??! Im scared ..i was soooo debilitated last

fall/winter.

Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@ <mailto:mccallalton%40>

> wrote:

do you live in a moldy house or area????

Z <monicaz49 (DOT) <mailto:monicaz49%40> com> wrote:

Anyone have fatigue/achy body/anxiety/cognitive issues?

i THINK i have fibromyaglia or CFS.

I also read a book linking candida with these conditions. Im wondering

how many people w/ candida problems also have fatigue/weakness

Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@ <mailto:mccallalton%40>

> wrote:

I made a real mistake drinking furit juice, eating fruit, grains, etc.

My health has taken a real dive.

Olif <OVanPeltcomcast (DOT) <mailto:OVanPelt%40comcast.net> net> wrote:

Yes, Duncan, it is cow's milk I couldn't tolerate as an infant- until I

was about 2 1/2 years old anyway. I think my body just learned how to

cope with it by then though. Actually it didn't cope all that well,

because I had my tonsils out when I was 6. They were always enlarged,

but not infected- probably a result of my dairy intolerance. I probably

shouldn't have had it at all. It has been slightly over a year now since

I eliminated dairy. I also showed high IgG levels to goat's milk on the

test I took last fall. I hadn't even realized I was exposed to goat's

milk. I imagine it is the casein in that I am reacting to as well.

Can you recommend a specific brand of undenatured whey protein that

would be tolerated by someone with a whey sensitivity? I am almost out

of rice protein, and would love to switch to whey. I don't want to take

the chance spending money on one I can't tolerate though, so it would

really help if you can recommend one!

Thanks,

Olif

[Guest guest]

" I actually have tested my cortisol and it is very very high...all day and

night. "

You should do something now, because the next stage is adrenal exhaustion. The

pioneer of adrenal stress, Hans Selye (see his book The Stress of Life for

detailed info), has 4 stages for adrenal fatigue/stress adaptation. You are in

stage 2, where your body is trying to adapt and producing too much cortisol. In

stage 3, you can't adapt any longer and stage 4 is pretty much death from what I

understand. The elevated stage could last years, so you might have time, but you

may have been in this stage for years already and not known it. I think that was

the case for me. I can't believe your doctor didn't want to do anything! From

what I am seeing on the adrenal fatigue list, most doctors don't even recognize

it much less know what to do about it. Right now your adrenals are overproducing

cortisol trying to cope with stress. Eventually they won't be able to do this

any longer and you will crash. I am finding that once you reach the stage of

exhaustion, it is very difficult to recover but not impossible. :-)

I think most importantly, you should remove any stress in your life that you

can. I know it is impossible to remove it all, but if you have something very

stressful, a certain job, etc., do what you can to change it. Take time daily to

relax (of course, if you are like me, that isn't a problem with so much

fatigue!).

I think diet also adds stress, especially if you have hidden food sensitivities.

If your adrenals are stressed, your digestion probably isn't optimal. If you

follow a strict candida diet and especially remove dairy, wheat, and sugar, you

are likely eliminating some food sensitivities right there. Other common problem

foods are egg, soy, and corn. Just eliminate and then add back in to see if they

are a problem for you. There are tests for this, but they are expensive and

really not necessary if you do an elimination diet. I never realized I was

sensitive to certain foods until I eliminated them for a few weeks and tried

eating them again. When I eliminated my food sensitivities, my energy got

slightly better but it wasn't enough to help my adrenals recover, even though it

has been a year. Since you are in stage 2, hopefully this will take noticeable

stress off your adrenals.

NeuroSceince Inc does testing for anxiety, as well, and gives appropriate amino

acid supplements for your levels. You might be high in some neurotransmitters

whereas I was low. You can also be low in some. The supplements contain free

form amino acids, vitamins, and minerals. They are hypo-allergenic. I wouldn't

think you would have a problem with them, but I guess anything is possible!

-Olif

[Guest guest]

seriously it's toxic stuff! recently both my doctor and i shared our

stories about getting some MSG snuck into our foods at a local healthy

chain!

From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ]

On Behalf Of Z

Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:46 AM

candidiasis

Subject: RE: fatigue

true....i found that eating stuff with aspartame, splenda etc.....made

me feel worse than eating sugar! lol

Young <eyoung33austin (DOT) <mailto:eyoung33%40austin.rr.com> rr.com>

wrote: wet weather does! retreat to your safe bubble and get some rest

and

healthy food! you sound like you're reacting to aspartame or something

of the like too? have any gum or anything where it might have snuck in?

that stuff and msg can really push me over.

Re: fatigue

No.

And we are a big household. no one else is sick. Although, my mom and a

couple relatives are a lil bit more fatigued than usual...but no other

symptoms.

Today is the first cool day in my area and i notice my body aches so

bad, my fatigue is worse and brain fog is acting up. Does the weather

make this crap flair up??! Im scared ..i was soooo debilitated last

fall/winter.

Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@ <mailto:mccallalton%40>

> wrote:

do you live in a moldy house or area????

Z <monicaz49 (DOT) <mailto:monicaz49%40> com> wrote:

Anyone have fatigue/achy body/anxiety/cognitive issues?

i THINK i have fibromyaglia or CFS.

I also read a book linking candida with these conditions. Im wondering

how many people w/ candida problems also have fatigue/weakness

Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@ <mailto:mccallalton%40>

> wrote:

I made a real mistake drinking furit juice, eating fruit, grains, etc.

My health has taken a real dive.

Olif <OVanPeltcomcast (DOT) <mailto:OVanPelt%40comcast.net> net> wrote:

Yes, Duncan, it is cow's milk I couldn't tolerate as an infant- until I

was about 2 1/2 years old anyway. I think my body just learned how to

cope with it by then though. Actually it didn't cope all that well,

because I had my tonsils out when I was 6. They were always enlarged,

but not infected- probably a result of my dairy intolerance. I probably

shouldn't have had it at all. It has been slightly over a year now since

I eliminated dairy. I also showed high IgG levels to goat's milk on the

test I took last fall. I hadn't even realized I was exposed to goat's

milk. I imagine it is the casein in that I am reacting to as well.

Can you recommend a specific brand of undenatured whey protein that

would be tolerated by someone with a whey sensitivity? I am almost out

of rice protein, and would love to switch to whey. I don't want to take

the chance spending money on one I can't tolerate though, so it would

really help if you can recommend one!

Thanks,

Olif

[Guest guest]

I think your fatigue will clear on its own, Patti. Fatigue occurs

in bowel disorders because the toxin burden created blocks

cellular function including energy production in the

mitochondria. In many people there is also a dietary deficiency

through malabsorption or poor diet.

So, as you get rid of your disease/toxins/infection and ensure

adequate nutrition, you'll find the energy returns.

Direct approaches to remove toxin load such as liver flushes,

undenatured whey for glutathione increase (mentioned in the

research specifically for detoxification), other antioxidants,

electrolyte and pH concern (attend to potassium and magnesium

deficiency), and correcting the body's biggest toxin source, bad

bowel bacteria, can improve energy pretty quickly.

Specific attention to adrenal exhaustion is only an unnecessary

patch to most people and a windfall to therapists who work it,

especially therapists who work that angle without attending to

the underlying cause, toxin load and malnutrition. The adrenals

are not really exhausted in most cases, they just can't keep up

with the physical stress situation, and as these impairments are

reduced, stress is reduced and you find your adrenals are just

fine under normal conditions.

What therapy along these lines you can do at home for a whole

month might cost less than a single visit to the adrenal

therapist, and will provide more benefit. Put another way, if you

don't attend to it and neither does the therapist, anything the

therapist does try will be impeded. I attend to the basics and

put the body in a position for unimpaired healing because little

or nothing else is usually required.

Truly, you sink or swim on your diet and lifestyle.

Duncan

On 17 Sep 2006 at 11:24, candidiasis wrote:

>

> Posted by: " Patti Cassalia " pcassalia@... patticass

> Date: Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:39 pm (PDT)

>

> I definitely have fatigue and hope clearing up the candida will help

> with that.

[Guest guest]

Perhaps you didn't respond to your therapy earlier because the two

deficiencies we know about, inulin and glutathione, had not been

addressed until just now and the improvement hasn't had time to

accumulate.

Regarding energy, have you been following the arsenic thread, have

you determined the arsenic level in your drinking water, and are you

taking selenium to address deficiency as well as depletion directly

caused by arsenic?

Arsenic impairs mitochondial energy production in addition to causing

cancer, gastroenteritis and diabetes.

For that matter, anyone with fatigue, any of the degenerative

illnesses or fibromyalgia would do well to check arsenic levels in

their drinking water; negative effects start at about .5 PPB and the

risk is pretty high aleady at even 5 PPB, just half of the new EPA

guideline! Because arsenic depletes selenium and glutathione, and

glutahione is a crucial part of the energy cycle, it's worth a look.

> -Olif

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

" have

you determined the arsenic level in your drinking water, and are you

taking selenium to address deficiency as well as depletion directly

caused by arsenic? "

I only drink bottled spring water, which I hope doesn't contain arsenic, but I

haven't checked. One of my neurotransmitter supplements contains selenium and

glutathione support.

-Olif

[Guest guest]

If you are eating what you should and feeling ill, then it is most likely die

off that is making you feel ill.

Keen

Re: fatigue

No.

And we are a big household. no one else is sick. Although, my mom and a

couple relatives are a lil bit more fatigued than usual...but no other

symptoms.

Today is the first cool day in my area and i notice my body aches so

bad, my fatigue is worse and brain fog is acting up. Does the weather

make this crap flair up??! Im scared ..i was soooo debilitated last

fall/winter.

Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@ <mailto:mccallalton%40>

> wrote:

do you live in a moldy house or area????

Z <monicaz49 (DOT) <mailto:monicaz49%40> com> wrote:

Anyone have fatigue/achy body/anxiety/cognitive issues?

i THINK i have fibromyaglia or CFS.

I also read a book linking candida with these conditions. Im wondering

how many people w/ candida problems also have fatigue/weakness

Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@ <mailto:mccallalton%40>

> wrote:

I made a real mistake drinking furit juice, eating fruit, grains, etc.

My health has taken a real dive.

Olif <OVanPeltcomcast (DOT) <mailto:OVanPelt%40comcast.net> net> wrote:

Yes, Duncan, it is cow's milk I couldn't tolerate as an infant- until I

was about 2 1/2 years old anyway. I think my body just learned how to

cope with it by then though. Actually it didn't cope all that well,

because I had my tonsils out when I was 6. They were always enlarged,

but not infected- probably a result of my dairy intolerance. I probably

shouldn't have had it at all. It has been slightly over a year now since

I eliminated dairy. I also showed high IgG levels to goat's milk on the

test I took last fall. I hadn't even realized I was exposed to goat's

milk. I imagine it is the casein in that I am reacting to as well.

Can you recommend a specific brand of undenatured whey protein that

would be tolerated by someone with a whey sensitivity? I am almost out

of rice protein, and would love to switch to whey. I don't want to take

the chance spending money on one I can't tolerate though, so it would

really help if you can recommend one!

Thanks,

Olif

[Guest guest]

Are you eating enough vegetables? If your body needs something more

than eggs and meat, what it needs is vegetables, lots and lots of

vegetables.

I'm always surprised that most people battling candida don't eat a lot

of vegetables. At least 75% of everything I eat is of vegetable origin.

Keen

Re: fatigue

>

>

>

> do you live in a moldy house or area????

>

> Z <monicaz49 (DOT) <mailto:monicaz49%40> com>

wrote:

> Anyone have fatigue/achy body/anxiety/cognitive issues?

> i THINK i have fibromyaglia or CFS.

> I also read a book linking candida with these conditions. Im

wondering

> how many people w/ candida problems also have fatigue/weakness

>

> Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@ <mailto:mccallalton%40>

> > wrote:

> I made a real mistake drinking furit juice, eating fruit, grains,

etc.

> My health has taken a real dive.

>

> Olif <OVanPeltcomcast (DOT) <mailto:OVanPelt%40comcast.net> net> wrote:

> Yes, Duncan, it is cow's milk I couldn't tolerate as an infant-

until I

> was about 2 1/2 years old anyway. I think my body just learned how

to

> cope with it by then though. Actually it didn't cope all that well,

> because I had my tonsils out when I was 6. They were always

enlarged,

> but not infected- probably a result of my dairy intolerance. I

probably

> shouldn't have had it at all. It has been slightly over a year now

since

> I eliminated dairy. I also showed high IgG levels to goat's milk

on the

> test I took last fall. I hadn't even realized I was exposed to

goat's

> milk. I imagine it is the casein in that I am reacting to as well.

>

> Can you recommend a specific brand of undenatured whey protein that

> would be tolerated by someone with a whey sensitivity? I am almost

out

> of rice protein, and would love to switch to whey. I don't want to

take

> the chance spending money on one I can't tolerate though, so it

would

> really help if you can recommend one!

>

> Thanks,

> Olif

>

>

[Guest guest]

Keen -

I eat soooo many veggies and tons of salads. Also good with my

eggs/fish and lots of lamb. I cheated so much this summer and got

into the routine of eating more carbs and white sugar than I needed

to. Gained back about 5 lbs and feeling so tired again. I have

tried for 2 days now to go back on no sugar/white or any carbs

including fruit. Really tired today - probably from no sugar but

lately I just can't seem to get full or content. Does anyone else

go through that. What I am eating is not bad, it's just that I

never get satisfied. Is it because I am back craving things

again??? Will it subside if I can stay yeast free for a few days

and get back on track? Also - I have been eating quinoa instead of

brown rice lately - anyone have anything to say about that???

(quinoa - that is).

a

>

> If you are eating what you should and feeling ill, then it is most

likely die off that is making you feel ill.

>

> Keen

>

[Guest guest]

I'm so jealous about the lamb, I love it but can't touch it!

I also had the extreme hunger for a while. The digestive enzymes I'm

taking seem to have helped, now I don't eat as much in each meal and

have ended up eating 4 - 6 meals a day. I get quite sick if I eat a lot

at any meal and have to stop as soon as I feel even slightly full and

keep the balance of the meal for later. If I don't, I get stomach

cramps and nausea.

Maybe you should try eating more meat if you are still hungry. That

worked for my husband. He sometimes gets so hungry that he finishes his

meal and then has more food. He is so thin that I encourage him to eat

as much as he feels he needs.

Quinoa, I was told, is the perfect food, it has more nutrition than any

other grain. My husband hates it though, although I quite liked it.

But I'm not eating it now because I'm still losing weight and I don't

want to stop. Let me brag a little - as of Saturday, I've lost 53kgs

(116.8 pounds according to a conversion website). It's all through

eating vegetables, brown rice and chicken breast for 3 weeks short of

one year!

Keen

Re: fatigue

Keen -

I eat soooo many veggies and tons of salads. Also good with my

eggs/fish and lots of lamb. I cheated so much this summer and got

into the routine of eating more carbs and white sugar than I needed

to. Gained back about 5 lbs and feeling so tired again. I have

tried for 2 days now to go back on no sugar/white or any carbs

including fruit. Really tired today - probably from no sugar but

lately I just can't seem to get full or content. Does anyone else

go through that. What I am eating is not bad, it's just that I

never get satisfied. Is it because I am back craving things

again??? Will it subside if I can stay yeast free for a few days

and get back on track? Also - I have been eating quinoa instead of

brown rice lately - anyone have anything to say about that???

(quinoa - that is).

a

>

> If you are eating what you should and feeling ill, then it is most

likely die off that is making you feel ill.

>

> Keen

>

[Guest guest]

i agree keen - and eat them primarily RAW! beware of nightshades.

enjoy your veggies!

Re: fatigue

>

>

>

> do you live in a moldy house or area????

>

> Z <monicaz49 (DOT) <mailto:monicaz49%40> com>

wrote:

> Anyone have fatigue/achy body/anxiety/cognitive issues?

> i THINK i have fibromyaglia or CFS.

> I also read a book linking candida with these conditions. Im

wondering

> how many people w/ candida problems also have fatigue/weakness

>

> Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@ <mailto:mccallalton%40>

> > wrote:

> I made a real mistake drinking furit juice, eating fruit, grains,

etc.

> My health has taken a real dive.

>

> Olif <OVanPeltcomcast (DOT) <mailto:OVanPelt%40comcast.net> net> wrote:

> Yes, Duncan, it is cow's milk I couldn't tolerate as an infant-

until I

> was about 2 1/2 years old anyway. I think my body just learned how

to

> cope with it by then though. Actually it didn't cope all that well,

> because I had my tonsils out when I was 6. They were always

enlarged,

> but not infected- probably a result of my dairy intolerance. I

probably

> shouldn't have had it at all. It has been slightly over a year now

since

> I eliminated dairy. I also showed high IgG levels to goat's milk

on the

> test I took last fall. I hadn't even realized I was exposed to

goat's

> milk. I imagine it is the casein in that I am reacting to as well.

>

> Can you recommend a specific brand of undenatured whey protein that

> would be tolerated by someone with a whey sensitivity? I am almost

out

> of rice protein, and would love to switch to whey. I don't want to

take

> the chance spending money on one I can't tolerate though, so it

would

> really help if you can recommend one!

>

> Thanks,

> Olif

>

>

[Guest guest]

isn't it amazing what cutting out bad foods will quickly allow your body

to do? congratulations - wow! a lot of change in your world. my

goodness. best!

Re: fatigue

Keen -

I eat soooo many veggies and tons of salads. Also good with my

eggs/fish and lots of lamb. I cheated so much this summer and got

into the routine of eating more carbs and white sugar than I needed

to. Gained back about 5 lbs and feeling so tired again. I have

tried for 2 days now to go back on no sugar/white or any carbs

including fruit. Really tired today - probably from no sugar but

lately I just can't seem to get full or content. Does anyone else

go through that. What I am eating is not bad, it's just that I

never get satisfied. Is it because I am back craving things

again??? Will it subside if I can stay yeast free for a few days

and get back on track? Also - I have been eating quinoa instead of

brown rice lately - anyone have anything to say about that???

(quinoa - that is).

a

>

> If you are eating what you should and feeling ill, then it is most

likely die off that is making you feel ill.

>

> Keen

>

[Guest guest]

OK, Olif;

Just so you and other readers know, a lot of supplements contain

40-50 mcg selenium, but 200-600 mcg is the therapeutic window.

If you do have arsenic exposure, and there is almost certainly

arsenic in your bottled water at a level below EPA guidelines but

above harm level, it will deplete a certain amount of selenium as

your body removes it.

Knowing that, I can't say the exact dose for you, but aiming at

the high side of the therapeutic window would be a wise move

given your toxin load from the dysbiosis. Research even shows

tumour shrinkage and hepC viral load reduction (!) at 1100 mcg

daily, and selenium toxicity is rare; I've seen a study that

showed no toxic effect besides bent fingernails at 3200 mcg daily

for a year.

Duncan

> Posted by: " Olif " OVanPelt@... olifmary

> Date: Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:48 pm (PDT)

>

> " have

> you determined the arsenic level in your drinking water, and are you

> taking selenium to address deficiency as well as depletion directly

> caused by arsenic? "

>

> I only drink bottled spring water, which I hope doesn't contain

> arsenic, but I haven't checked. One of my neurotransmitter supplements

> contains selenium and glutathione support.

>

> -Olif

[Guest guest]

Fatigue from die-off is caused by toxin load; it can be contolled

by elevating glutathione and other antioxidants.

Cancer studies I read showed that people reduced or even

eliminated side effects from chemotherapy and radiation if they

maintained their glutathione levels. I can't think of worse toxin

loads or worse side effects, yet many people don't even have to

miss work while they're on chemotherapy if they take the

undenatured whey.

The studies will likely turn up in the glutathione references on

my site

Duncan

On 18 Sep 2006 at 11:15, candidiasis wrote:

>

> Posted by: " Keen Venables " kvenables@...

> Date: Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:41 pm (PDT)

>

> If you are eating what you should and feeling ill, then it is most

> likely die off that is making you feel ill.

>

> Keen

[Guest guest]

is the quinoa real fattening??? Should I not be eating that if I

want to lose some lbs.? Chicken is not good for my blood type so I

try and avoid it if I can. Congrats on the weight loss!!! I have

about 10 more to go and that will be enough, it's just losing that

last ten. I feel the cravings!! I will try and increase my

protein. May help. I do the digestive enzymes, but not all the

time. I love my one egg and one egg white and eat it almost every

day. Do you think it's ok to eat eggs everday??? it's only one

whole one and one egg white, but wonder if I should limit it to 2-3

days a week instead?

a

> >

> > If you are eating what you should and feeling ill, then it is

most

> likely die off that is making you feel ill.

> >

> > Keen

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with Leigh, " too much " of anything, even drinking water, is

toxic.

But even at screaming high dose of 3200 mcg selenium daily for a year

only produced fingernail issues that grew out when the trial was

finished. At 1100 mcg daily, other studies noted tumour shrinkage and

viral load reduction in Hep C.

Selenium is crucial and is supplemented at far below toxicity level.

200-600 mcg daily is the therapeutic window in absence of arsenic in

your drinking water. Unlike selenium, arsenic is toxic at any level,

and precautions should be taken against it. Selenium reduces arsenic

and creates glutathione, a pivotally important antioxidant.

Duncan Crow

>

> too much selenium is toxc

>

[Guest guest]

Ninety percent of the fat in quinoa is unsaturated.

Sixty nine percent of quinoa is carbohydrates.

However you look at it, it's a carb dish like any other seed. Yes,

it's fattening.

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-B00001-01c21U1.html

Duncan

> > >

> > > If you are eating what you should and feeling ill, then it is

> most

> > likely die off that is making you feel ill.

> > >

> > > Keen

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Raw is a good idea for those who can handle it. Unfortunately, apart

from some salads, we can't manage raw vegetables, so I steam them. They

are very nice with some olive oil and lemon juice dressing, that is how

we eat a lot of our vegetables.

We don't have problems with the nightshade veggies, although I know that

a lot of people do. We try to eat at least 4 different veggies a day,

although we usually eat more like 6 - 8. Vegetables for breakfast and

lunch (cooked the night before) and salad at night.

Keen

Re: fatigue

>

>

>

> do you live in a moldy house or area????

>

> Z <monicaz49 (DOT) <mailto:monicaz49%40> com>

wrote:

> Anyone have fatigue/achy body/anxiety/cognitive issues?

> i THINK i have fibromyaglia or CFS.

> I also read a book linking candida with these conditions. Im

wondering

> how many people w/ candida problems also have fatigue/weakness

>

> Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@ <mailto:mccallalton%40>

> > wrote:

> I made a real mistake drinking furit juice, eating fruit, grains,

etc.

> My health has taken a real dive.

>

> Olif <OVanPeltcomcast (DOT) <mailto:OVanPelt%40comcast.net> net> wrote:

> Yes, Duncan, it is cow's milk I couldn't tolerate as an infant-

until I

> was about 2 1/2 years old anyway. I think my body just learned how

to

> cope with it by then though. Actually it didn't cope all that well,

> because I had my tonsils out when I was 6. They were always

enlarged,

> but not infected- probably a result of my dairy intolerance. I

probably

> shouldn't have had it at all. It has been slightly over a year now

since

> I eliminated dairy. I also showed high IgG levels to goat's milk

on the

> test I took last fall. I hadn't even realized I was exposed to

goat's

> milk. I imagine it is the casein in that I am reacting to as well.

>

> Can you recommend a specific brand of undenatured whey protein that

> would be tolerated by someone with a whey sensitivity? I am almost

out

> of rice protein, and would love to switch to whey. I don't want to

take

> the chance spending money on one I can't tolerate though, so it

would

> really help if you can recommend one!

>

> Thanks,

> Olif

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, the quinoa was suggested to my husband to stop his weight loss

when he was losing a lot. So I avoid as a precaution.

The egg shouldn't be bad for you. As long as you eat lots of vegetables

and no refined foods, your body should deal with it fine. Do you eat

oatmeal? That helps for cholesterol, if you are worried about it.

Keen

Re: fatigue

is the quinoa real fattening??? Should I not be eating that if I

want to lose some lbs.? Chicken is not good for my blood type so I

try and avoid it if I can. Congrats on the weight loss!!! I have

about 10 more to go and that will be enough, it's just losing that

last ten. I feel the cravings!! I will try and increase my

protein. May help. I do the digestive enzymes, but not all the

time. I love my one egg and one egg white and eat it almost every

day. Do you think it's ok to eat eggs everday??? it's only one

whole one and one egg white, but wonder if I should limit it to 2-3

days a week instead?

a

> >

> > If you are eating what you should and feeling ill, then it is

most

> likely die off that is making you feel ill.

> >

> > Keen

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

great web link - thanks Duncan. I think I will lay off the quinoa

for awhile and go back to brown rice.

a

> > > >

> > > > If you are eating what you should and feeling ill, then it

is

> > most

> > > likely die off that is making you feel ill.

> > > >

> > > > Keen

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >