Hi Everyone

[Guest guest]

Hi, I am glad you posted! I have spondlolyethessis on L5 L4 and S1. I have has

several epidural injections, one nerve block, been in different pain meds, had

steriods, spinal decompression treatments and nothing has worked. I have been in

pain since 2001.

 

I totally relate to you. I have pain in my leg also, but the pain is in the

right leg instead of the left. I sometimes feel that the pain is totally running

my life. I have to plan my day around the pain and I used to love to take a

shower in the am and pm. Now I get panic attacks just thinking about taking a

shower due to the pain that I know is going to happen.

 

I now take a shower right before I know I am going to sleep because I know I can

lay down after and do not have to do too much to get ready afterwards and

without time limits.

 

I am just so upset that I am 35 years old and my life has turned out this way. I

should be traveling and doing so much more!

 

If you do not mind. I would love to talk to you on the phone. I think we would

be a great support for each other. Let me know if you would like that!

 

 

Dawn E.

I would rather be hated for who I am

than to be like for who I am not ~Author Unknown

From: tltagl <tltagl@...>

Subject: Hi everyone

spinal problems

Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:09 PM

Ive never posted befor but read post almost everyday. I have had

chronic low back pain since i had a attack of what they say was

transverse mylytis 2007. Who knows what i had I thought it was a stroke

and I have seen alot of drs who dont know anything about that disease..

I am in constant pain everyday on strong pain meds plus ibuprofin

nothing helps and if i ask for soemthing stronger im sure they wouldnt

give it to me any way... I have had about 4 mris, 4 epidural

injections into my spine...Now another thoracic mri is coming up and a

bone scan with specs.. Nothing is helping l4-l5 l5-s1 annualr tear

broad based disc buldge.. also on L3 L4 plus a herniated disc in my

neck think c-6 but my neck isnt hurting..I had a emg done on my left

leg that shows pain is coming from L-5...My left leg is totally numb on

the outside and is on fire on the inside all the way through my

toes..My left hip is in constant pain...I have a appt with the

neurosurgeon on 02/19/09..I dont understand why no one wants to help

and i cant even get a straight anwser of why the nerve test shows one

thing and why they cant fix it surgically.. .Im sick of the pills and no

life...Sorry for venting but i feel this is never ending and i might as

well just accept the fact i will have to live with this the rest of my

life...

[Guest guest]

April, I am so sorry for your pain, i know that exact pain. I have had five

failed spine surgies in that region. my heart goes out to you and so does my

healing crystal energy to you.I haven't written much cause i got a shot in my

right hand

blessings,

K

Hi Everyone

Hi Everyone, So, I am starting to understand what you all are talking

about when you refer to something as one of your extreme pain moments. My

pain has been pretty equal and just all the time for the most part. My

back pain had actually been pretty good until yesterday. I moved wrong,

and now I am def experiencing extreme pain. I can barely even move from

one side of my recliner to the other. Also, Around my incisions, I have

so much hard skin. Is this scar tissue? My fusion was at L4 L5. I just

dont know what to do anymore. My doctor suggested two days ago that I

think about applying for disability. Originally, I had planned to go back

to work next week. I am feeling very depressed about this situation.

Anyway, Thanks for listening! April

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[Guest guest]

April,

That firm skin you feel is scar tissue and is very common. It breaks up over the

course of one to two years, but you'll probably always have SOME. If you can

have someone massage it for you a little every day, that can help break it up.

 

The only disability you could apply for is temporary disability through your

work or TDI if your state has that. You will not qualify for SSDI which is the

permanent disability.

 

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From: April <nanny04@...>

Subject: Hi Everyone

spinal problems

Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 9:36 AM

Hi Everyone, So, I am starting to understand what you all are talking

about when you refer to something as one of your extreme pain moments. My

pain has been pretty equal and just all the time for the most part. My

back pain had actually been pretty good until yesterday. I moved wrong,

and now I am def experiencing extreme pain. I can barely even move from

one side of my recliner to the other. Also, Around my incisions, I have

so much hard skin. Is this scar tissue? My fusion was at L4 L5. I just

dont know what to do anymore. My doctor suggested two days ago that I

think about applying for disability. Originally, I had planned to go back

to work next week. I am feeling very depressed about this situation.

Anyway, Thanks for listening! April

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[Guest guest]

Hi Cheri and welcome!

I am sorry to hear about your kidney problems.

I did a little digging around and found a few things. You may already know this

stuff but if not here goes...

1. I found this answer to someone's posted question which provides a good

overview and basic advice:

http://www.doctorndtv.com/FAQ/detailfaq.asp?id=4655overview

" Membranoproliferative glomerulonephritis (MPGN) is mostly a progressive

disorder unless it is secondary to an infection which, if treated, may cause

resolution of MPGN type I. Hepatitis B & C viral infections have been commonly

incriminated. There is no specific treatment for idiopathic MPGN type I except

for non-specific drugs like the ones you are taking. Most often the disease is

progressive. Meticulous control of blood pressure to less than 130/80 mm Hg will

help in retarding the rate of deterioration. Dietary protein intake should be

0.6 - 0.8 gms/kg body weight with high calories intake 35 kcal/kg body weight

and the quality of proteins should be high quality proteins (at least 50% of

proteins to be high biological proteins like eggs, milk products and meat. The

dose of ACE inhibitors need to be optimized to achieve the target level of blood

pressure and lowest proteinuria. One should try to prevent malnutrition. You

should monitor blood pressure to achieve target levels and kidney function to be

monitored 2-3 monthly "

2. I also found this HCV advocate Fact Sheet available on PDF at

www.hcvadvocate.org/hepatitis/factsheets_pdf/glomeru_09.pdf

I hope it is helpful. It was released in Feb 2009:

The most common type of glomerulonephritis

(kidney disease) found in people with hepatitis C is membranoproliferative

glomerulonephritis (MPGN). Other less common

forms of kidney disease include noncryoglobulinemic

MPGN, membranous glomerulonephritis, MPGN type III, and

mesangial proliferative glomerulonephritis. This fact sheet

article will concentrate on MPGN.

MPGN is a type of kidney disease that is caused by

the complexes (such as HCV antibodies, hepatitis C virus,

rheumatoid factor) deposited in the membranes (glomeruli)

of the kidneys. The prevalence of MPGN in the hepatitis C

population is difficult to gauge because of the limited number

of studies conducted, but in two studies the hepatitis C virus

was detected in about 60% of patients with MPGN in Japan

and 10-20% of people with MPGN in the United States.

Despite the fact that HCV-related MPGN is relatively uncommon

in the hepatitis C population, MPGN is considered

a significant problem because of the large number of people

infected with hepatitis C and the potential for serious and

life-threatening complications.

MPGN is usually diagnosed using various laboratory tests

such as HCV antibody positive, HCV viral load, elevated liver

enzymes, positive rheumatoid factor and circulating cryoglobulins.

It can also be confirmed by kidney biopsy.

MPGN is a difficult disease to diagnose because there

are few symptoms during the early stages of MPGN. The

actual diagnosis of most cases occurs mostly in people who

are in their 50's and 60's. It also occurs somewhat more

commonly in women than in men. Symptoms can include

elevated liver enzymes, hypertension (high blood pressure),

joint pain and neuropathy.

The disease progression of MPGN is generally over a

long period of time and is highly variable from one person

to another. About 10% of people with MPGN will develop

serious kidney disease (end stage renal disease) that will

require dialysis.

Treatment of HCV-related MPGN usually consists of

treatment with interferon monotherapy for the underlying

cause – hepatitis C. Interferon treatment has had limited

success, but it has been shown to improve the condition of

the kidneys, and reduce the incidence of acute flare-ups in

some people. Remission of HCV-related MPGN only occurs

in a minority of people treated. One of the most important

strategies for managing MPGN is to control blood pressure,

which will help to prevent further damage to the kidneys.

Since ribavirin is mainly eliminated through the kidneys it

is not generally used for the treatment of HCV in someone

with kidney disease. However, a few studies have found that

ribavirin (usually low dose) in combination with interferon has

produced better results in helping to manage MPGN. Other

treatment options included plasmapheresis (removal of circulating

cyroglobulins), and the use of corticosteroids.

Currently studies are looking at the use of pegylated

interferon (with and without ribavirin) and Rituximab (Anti-

CD20), a drug used to treat lymphoma and some autoimmune

diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis.

Best Wishes,

Scarlet

>

> I have never posted here so I thought I'd jump in an introduce myself. I have

had hep C for 31 years, I received it thru a transfusion during surgery when I

was 24 years old. About 10 years ago I had a biopsy and was told that I was at

stage 1-2. At the time my liver enzymes were beginning to get high so I used

SAM-E along with glutithione, olive leaf and several other supplements and my

liver enzymes went down to low normal where they have remained. These days I

take Eurocel to kill the virus, glutithion, lipoic acid and selenium. My last

viral count was at 224,000 IU. Everything I read about Hep C talks about the

danger of liver damage, but I have experienced severe kidney damage from the hep

C. Kidney biopsy diagnosed a rare form of kidney disease that is caused by hep C

virus (Membranoproliferative Glomerulonephritis (MPGN)) I am at stage 3 kidney

failure (dialysis happens at stage 5) and I have to be very careful about what

drugs I use, especially pain meds. This type of kidney disease can lead to

lymphoma. Anyone else suffering with these kidney problems??? I have never

done the interferon treatments, I think my type is 1a. Thanks for listening!

> Hugs, Cheri

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Scarlett. I have been under the care of a nephrologist for the past

three years and we work to keep my blood pressure in check, which is hard

especially since I'm allergic to ACE inhibitors. I do have cryoglobulins but

they have also improved with the improved viral counts. Its just something that

I have to keep on top of. My C3, C4 and CH 50 are all very low too (which is

from the hep c) and I have been diagnosed with a congenital immune deficiency, I

do not make antiboties to certain viruses so I started on IgG infusions this

past January. The IG has helped my neuropathy and energy levels. My kidney

problems and cryoglobulins were not recognised by my family doctor for the first

couple of years, I complained for some time of weakness and dark urine before it

was checked out and I got to the right doctors. No one seemed to know to look

for this with hep C. Thanks again for the info, hopefully this might help

others who are having kidney problems. Hugs, Cheri

> >

> > I have never posted here so I thought I'd jump in an introduce myself. I

have had hep C for 31 years, I received it thru a transfusion during surgery

when I was 24 years old. About 10 years ago I had a biopsy and was told that I

was at stage 1-2. At the time my liver enzymes were beginning to get high so I

used SAM-E along with glutithione, olive leaf and several other supplements and

my liver enzymes went down to low normal where they have remained. These days I

take Eurocel to kill the virus, glutithion, lipoic acid and selenium. My last

viral count was at 224,000 IU. Everything I read about Hep C talks about the

danger of liver damage, but I have experienced severe kidney damage from the hep

C. Kidney biopsy diagnosed a rare form of kidney disease that is caused by hep C

virus (Membranoproliferative Glomerulonephritis (MPGN)) I am at stage 3 kidney

failure (dialysis happens at stage 5) and I have to be very careful about what

drugs I use, especially pain meds. This type of kidney disease can lead to

lymphoma. Anyone else suffering with these kidney problems??? I have never

done the interferon treatments, I think my type is 1a. Thanks for listening!

> > Hugs, Cheri

> >

>

[Guest guest]

ALA helps with diabitis neurophaty.

>

> I have a friend with type one Diabetes. It is an autoimmune disease but I

cant find much info on LDN and if it works for diabetes and would ALA also be

benefit. Before Irec to a work friend I want to make sure it works in some

capacity. I have a feeling the quicker you catch it the better it works by

preserving cells that produce insulin. I looked on the world data base and didnt

see it listed by anyone.

>

> Thanks for any help

>

> Matt

>

[Guest guest]

Diane, Thanks so much for posting! I am preparing myself for revision surgery-probably at Hopkins. I was injured as an RN in 1979 and had a length of fusions done L2-S1. Now I've been told by a doc at s Hopkins that flatback is causing my symptoms and that revision could help. I'm awaiting approval from Workers comp as they have to pay for the surgery. In the meantime I'm vacillating as I am so afraid of ending up worse than I am. Before surgery did you have terrible pain deep in your buttocks on both sides? I wonder if this is the S -I joint? Did that go away with the surgery? It is so relentless and it would be wonderful if it could be helped. I too have been unable to work for many years as sitting and standing still are most difficult. I'm now 56 and it would be fabulous if some quality of life could be restored. I have wondered how my muscles will react since I've been fused since 1982. It is good to get some warning on that. Again, I thank you very much for your letter. Best Wishes, Kate

From: stranger

Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:23 PM

Subject: [ ] Hi Everyone

This is Diane B from PA. I haven't posted in such a long time, but have been just so busy living my life ( post revision ) That I haven't made the time. I just wanted to let anyone who is going through it that my experience was DEFINITELY WORTH IT!!! I was given back my life and everyday I am thanking God. I was operated on June 5, 2005 by Dr Boachie at The Hospital for Special Surgery. For the 5 yrs prior to the revision, I couldn't walk without a rolling walker, I was literally bent in half. I would run from one place where I could rest to another so I could either sit down or have something to lean on. I was always in pain, and had been for 20yrs. I had been diagnosed with Adhesive Arachnoiditis also. I had to give up my career, I had went back to school at 27 to get my BSN, and in 84 had to go on disability.I was 58 when I had my revision, and now can do just about anything I want to. It did take a very long time for me to come back from my last surgery ( I had 8 altogether on my back. ) I had never stopped to think about how my legs would react when the muscles that had been in an abnormal positon for so many yrs were all straight again overnite. It was quite painful for awhile until they stretched. Noone had ever mentioned to expect that. I celebrate 6 yrs of pretty much painfree, normal living on June 5th.This Christmas I am going to Disney World with my husband, my son, and 2 of my grandsons, and I am just loving living my life.I want to wish everyone in the group a very Merry Christmas, and a Healthy, and Happy New Year.

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

I love a good ending! MY Goodness! How great for you! Enjoy Disney and thanks

for posting your success.....It is so encouraging to others. C

>

> This is Diane B from PA. I haven't posted in such a long time, but have been

just so busy living my life ( post revision ) That I haven't made the time. I

just wanted to let anyone who is going through it that my experience was

DEFINITELY WORTH IT!!! I was given back my life and everyday I am thanking

God. I was operated on June 5, 2005 by Dr Boachie at The Hospital for Special

Surgery. For the 5 yrs prior to the revision, I couldn't walk without a

rolling walker, I was literally bent in half. I would run from one place where

I could rest to another so I could either sit down or have something to lean on.

I was always in pain, and had been for 20yrs. I had been diagnosed with

Adhesive Arachnoiditis also. I had to give up my career, I had went back to

school at 27 to get my BSN, and in 84 had to go on disability.

> I was 58 when I had my revision, and now can do just about anything I want

to. It did take a very long time for me to come back from my last surgery ( I

had 8 altogether on my back. ) I had never stopped to think about how my legs

would react when the muscles that had been in an abnormal positon for so many

yrs were all straight again overnite. It was quite painful for awhile until

they stretched. Noone had ever mentioned to expect that.

> I celebrate 6 yrs of pretty much painfree, normal living on June 5th.

> This Christmas I am going to Disney World with my husband, my son, and 2 of

my grandsons, and I am just loving living my life.

> I want to wish everyone in the group a very Merry Christmas, and a Healthy,

and Happy New Year.

>

[Guest guest]

HiDiane,

Great hearing from you! Its great to hear that you are doing well and happily

engaged in your life. I know that it is hard for members in the " deciding stage "

not to focus on the stories that are going poorly when there aren't others to

compare to. I think it exemplifies what we try to tell newer members....those

that have surgery and have a good quality of life thereafter tend to move on and

not spend much time here....thus it can be an unbalanced view of the process.

Thanks for checking in!

I wonder if you can tell us if you still use any pain medications or follow any

particular routines, physical or mental these days?

(For those that are interested in some of DianeB's journey...check out posts

#16118 or #16334. It was not a case of feeling terrific 8 weeks after surgery!).

Have a very merry x-mas in Florida. Hope it warms up for you!

Take Care, Cam

[Guest guest]

I too have not been on this site in a long time, but as Cam said, it is good to

hear the positive! I will be celebrating my three-year anniversary this coming

January since my revision surgery and I COULD NOT BE HAPPIER. I would do it

again in a heartbeat! I was 55 when I had the surgery done at NYU with Dr.

Errico, and I feel like my life is completely back to normal now. The first

year or so was a healing process, but now I can say that I exercise regularly

and on a rare occasion when I may experience some discomfort (usually when it's

damp outside), extra-strength Tylenol is all that is required! Hard to believe

when only a few years ago, I could not go anywhere without my Tramadol, Mobic

and lidocaine patches! Even with all those meds, being on my feet in a grocery

store for more than 15 minutes had me virtually depending on the cart to hold me

up!

Happy holidays to all!

Donna

>

> HiDiane,

>

> Great hearing from you! Its great to hear that you are doing well and happily

engaged in your life. I know that it is hard for members in the " deciding stage "

not to focus on the stories that are going poorly when there aren't others to

compare to. I think it exemplifies what we try to tell newer members....those

that have surgery and have a good quality of life thereafter tend to move on and

not spend much time here....thus it can be an unbalanced view of the process.

Thanks for checking in!

>

> I wonder if you can tell us if you still use any pain medications or follow

any particular routines, physical or mental these days?

>

> (For those that are interested in some of DianeB's journey...check out posts

#16118 or #16334. It was not a case of feeling terrific 8 weeks after surgery!).

>

> Have a very merry x-mas in Florida. Hope it warms up for you!

>

> Take Care, Cam

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Cam, Good to know you are doing well also. I know exactely what you mean

about the forward lean, I notice it also, and it is a daily challenge, and

will be a lifelong struggle. I don't recall saying anything about symptoms of

noise, or popping. I don't know about Carolina, when exactely are you going?

Take Care,

Diane B

>

> Hi Diane B!

>

> I am very glad to hear from you and hope you will come meet with us

> in Carolina. It is looking like a fun time for all!

>

> I haven't had any of the symtoms you describe as far as noise or

> popping, but after a long day I notice that I can be trying

> to " balance " myself more using my upper spine than my core

> muscles...leading to a bit of a forward lean from the top of my

> fusion. It is one of those things that I assume will be a lifelong

> challenge....keeping good postural alignment with the core muscles

> so that the discs above the fusion do not take undue wear...a very

> real possiblity for us.

>

> If it is a change in pain or how it " feels " I would strongly

> recommend you contact DrB's office and talk to them and then

> schedule a follow up appt to make sure that none of the implants

> have move or come loose...which I suppose, is another possibility.

>

> Stay in touch,

> Cam

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

Somehow you must have logged on to an old post from 2007 or so....remember we

had our first retreat back then and you were going to try to go? Do you see an

old post number on the message?

Take Care,Cam

> >

> > Hi Diane B!

> >

> > I am very glad to hear from you and hope you will come meet with us

> > in Carolina. It is looking like a fun time for all!

> >

> > I haven't had any of the symtoms you describe as far as noise or

> > popping, but after a long day I notice that I can be trying

> > to " balance " myself more using my upper spine than my core

> > muscles...leading to a bit of a forward lean from the top of my

> > fusion. It is one of those things that I assume will be a lifelong

> > challenge....keeping good postural alignment with the core muscles

> > so that the discs above the fusion do not take undue wear...a very

> > real possiblity for us.

> >

> > If it is a change in pain or how it " feels " I would strongly

> > recommend you contact DrB's office and talk to them and then

> > schedule a follow up appt to make sure that none of the implants

> > have move or come loose...which I suppose, is another possibility.

> >

> > Stay in touch,

> > Cam

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks , I will.

> >

> > This is Diane B from PA. I haven't posted in such a long time, but have

been just so busy living my life ( post revision ) That I haven't made the time.

I just wanted to let anyone who is going through it that my experience was

DEFINITELY WORTH IT!!! I was given back my life and everyday I am thanking

God. I was operated on June 5, 2005 by Dr Boachie at The Hospital for Special

Surgery. For the 5 yrs prior to the revision, I couldn't walk without a

rolling walker, I was literally bent in half. I would run from one place where

I could rest to another so I could either sit down or have something to lean on.

I was always in pain, and had been for 20yrs. I had been diagnosed with

Adhesive Arachnoiditis also. I had to give up my career, I had went back to

school at 27 to get my BSN, and in 84 had to go on disability.

> > I was 58 when I had my revision, and now can do just about anything I want

to. It did take a very long time for me to come back from my last surgery ( I

had 8 altogether on my back. ) I had never stopped to think about how my legs

would react when the muscles that had been in an abnormal positon for so many

yrs were all straight again overnite. It was quite painful for awhile until

they stretched. Noone had ever mentioned to expect that.

> > I celebrate 6 yrs of pretty much painfree, normal living on June 5th.

> > This Christmas I am going to Disney World with my husband, my son, and 2 of

my grandsons, and I am just loving living my life.

> > I want to wish everyone in the group a very Merry Christmas, and a Healthy,

and Happy New Year.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

OMG Cam Your right!!! I logged on to a very old post.

> > >

> > > Hi Diane B!

> > >

> > > I am very glad to hear from you and hope you will come meet with us

> > > in Carolina. It is looking like a fun time for all!

> > >

> > > I haven't had any of the symtoms you describe as far as noise or

> > > popping, but after a long day I notice that I can be trying

> > > to " balance " myself more using my upper spine than my core

> > > muscles...leading to a bit of a forward lean from the top of my

> > > fusion. It is one of those things that I assume will be a lifelong

> > > challenge....keeping good postural alignment with the core muscles

> > > so that the discs above the fusion do not take undue wear...a very

> > > real possiblity for us.

> > >

> > > If it is a change in pain or how it " feels " I would strongly

> > > recommend you contact DrB's office and talk to them and then

> > > schedule a follow up appt to make sure that none of the implants

> > > have move or come loose...which I suppose, is another possibility.

> > >

> > > Stay in touch,

> > > Cam

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi............

Just a follow up to my Sotto Pelle inserts. A month plus into this treatment

and my numbers have increased alot. Before my testosterone levels were 150ish,

and now my testosterone levels are at 858. I am very happy that the blood test

results are very positive.

A year of fighting these numbers and finally something is working....

Spence

[Guest guest]

Pellets can be a pain in the butt literally. This method works for some others

tend to disagree. When doing pellets you still need to monitor closely because

the body can use them up at faster rate depending on the individual. Somne have

to be replaced every 6 months others need to get it every 3. Try it and see how

they work for you. Please report how this has affected your estrodial over the

course.

>

> Hi............

> Just a follow up to my Sotto Pelle inserts. A month plus into this treatment

and my numbers have increased alot. Before my testosterone levels were 150ish,

and now my testosterone levels are at 858. I am very happy that the blood test

results are very positive.

>

> A year of fighting these numbers and finally something is working....

>

> Spence

>

[Guest guest]

My estrodial has increased and I have been prescribed a pill to take once a

week. A very small price to pay to get my testosterone levels back up in some

simblance of what it should be. Did it hurt? No, uncomfortable for a couple of

days, yes, but nothing an ice pack couldn't fix now and again. After a week the

swelling went down and everything is back to normal.

> >

> > Hi............

> > Just a follow up to my Sotto Pelle inserts. A month plus into this

treatment and my numbers have increased alot. Before my testosterone levels

were 150ish, and now my testosterone levels are at 858. I am very happy that

the blood test results are very positive.

> >

> > A year of fighting these numbers and finally something is working....

> >

> > Spence

> >

>

[Guest guest]

adex needs to be adminster smaller dosage thorugh out the week. The half live is

50 hours. So once every 3-4 days max would be the appropriate does. I would

take the pill and split it up according to where your levels are at. Above e2 of

50 then dosage between .50-.75 per week should be fine depending if you properly

metaboising the drug.

> > >

> > > Hi............

> > > Just a follow up to my Sotto Pelle inserts. A month plus into this

treatment and my numbers have increased alot. Before my testosterone levels

were 150ish, and now my testosterone levels are at 858. I am very happy that

the blood test results are very positive.

> > >

> > > A year of fighting these numbers and finally something is working....

> > >

> > > Spence

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That is great news I pray this keeps up for you like I said if I could find a

good Dr. to do pellets with out ripping me off for my money I would be on them.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Spence D <spencesdd@...>

> Subject: Hi Everyone

>

> Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 11:58 PM

> Hi............

> Just a follow up to my Sotto Pelle inserts.  A month

> plus into this treatment and my numbers have increased

> alot.  Before my testosterone levels were 150ish, and

> now my testosterone levels are at 858.  I am very happy

> that the blood test results are very positive.

>

> A year of fighting these numbers and finally something is

> working....

>

> Spence

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would like to know if there any medicine that increase the amonut of semen, I

do have this problem.

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 12:57:05 PM

Subject: Re: Hi Everyone

 

That is great news I pray this keeps up for you like I said if I could find a

good Dr. to do pellets with out ripping me off for my money I would be on them.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Spence D <spencesdd@...>

> Subject: Hi Everyone

>

> Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 11:58 PM

> Hi............

> Just a follow up to my Sotto Pelle inserts.  A month

> plus into this treatment and my numbers have increased

> alot.  Before my testosterone levels were 150ish, and

> now my testosterone levels are at 858.  I am very happy

> that the blood test results are very positive.

>

> A year of fighting these numbers and finally something is

> working....

>

> Spence

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

You need to find out why sperm is low. Lifestyles are the biggest factors, low

zinc,b-12 folate selenium and other nutrients. MACA can work in some people to

increase sperm production as verified by some studies.

>

> > From: Spence D <spencesdd@...>

> > Subject: Hi Everyone

> >

> > Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 11:58 PM

> > Hi............

> > Just a follow up to my Sotto Pelle inserts.  A month

> > plus into this treatment and my numbers have increased

> > alot.  Before my testosterone levels were 150ish, and

> > now my testosterone levels are at 858.  I am very happy

> > that the blood test results are very positive.

> >

> > A year of fighting these numbers and finally something is

> > working....

> >

> > Spence

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

The Sotto Pelle therapy has not been approved by the FDA, so you won't find just

any doctor that will insert them. The process has been in practice for over 20

years, and I can tell you, so far, it's working. Google Sotto Pelle, and see if

there is a clinic near you. The initial cost is about the same as going to a

regular doctor. There is a $250 first time consult fee, a $200 insertion fee,

and there is a cost per individual pellet inserted into your hip. It's not

inexpensive, but neither where any of the alternatives.

Good luck.

Spence

>

> > From: Spence D <spencesdd@...>

> > Subject: Hi Everyone

> >

> > Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 11:58 PM

> > Hi............

> > Just a follow up to my Sotto Pelle inserts.  A month

> > plus into this treatment and my numbers have increased

> > alot.  Before my testosterone levels were 150ish, and

> > now my testosterone levels are at 858.  I am very happy

> > that the blood test results are very positive.

> >

> > A year of fighting these numbers and finally something is

> > working....

> >

> > Spence

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I hope your health continues to improve. I thought pellet therapy was unproven

and somewhat ineffective... And you are dependent on nurses / docters to put

them in. Hey may be you can be a positive study in its effectiveness if your lab

results come back improved.

Hi Everyone

> >

> > Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 11:58 PM

> > Hi............

> > Just a follow up to my Sotto Pelle inserts.  A month

> > plus into this treatment and my numbers have increased

> > alot.  Before my testosterone leve

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Spence,

I have done this time and time again not Dr.'s here in MI. doing the Sotto Pelle

Therapy. The Dr.'s here want you to come back and do them every month.

This is not how pellets are done they do this not because it's the best way to

do it but for the money.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Spence D <spencesdd@...>

> Subject: Re: Hi Everyone

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 7:08 PM

> Hi ,

> The Sotto Pelle therapy has not been approved by the FDA,

> so you won't find just any doctor that will insert

> them.  The process has been in practice for over 20

> years, and I can tell you, so far, it's working. 

> Google Sotto Pelle, and see if there is a clinic near

> you.  The initial cost is about the same as going to a

> regular doctor.  There is a $250 first time consult

> fee, a $200 insertion fee, and there is a cost per

> individual pellet inserted into your hip.  It's not

> inexpensive, but neither where any of the alternatives.

>

> Good luck.

> Spence

>

>

> >

> > > From: Spence D <spencesdd@...>

> > > Subject: Hi Everyone

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 11:58 PM

> > > Hi............

> > > Just a follow up to my Sotto Pelle inserts.  A

> month

> > > plus into this treatment and my numbers have

> increased

> > > alot.  Before my testosterone levels were

> 150ish, and

> > > now my testosterone levels are at 858.  I am

> very happy

> > > that the blood test results are very positive.

> > >

> > > A year of fighting these numbers and finally

> something is

> > > working....

> > >

> > > Spence

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Back in the day the actor Bob Hope was on Pellets. It's not new been around a

long time.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: uu1845@... <uu1845@...>

> Subject: RE: Hi Everyone

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 8:09 PM

> I hope your health continues to

> improve. I thought pellet therapy was unproven and somewhat

> ineffective... And you are dependent on nurses / docters to

> put them in. Hey may be you can be a positive study in its

> effectiveness if your lab results come back

> improved.   

>

> Hi Everyone

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 11:58 PM

> > > Hi............

> > > Just a follow up to my Sotto Pelle inserts.  A

> month

> > > plus into this treatment and my numbers have

> increased

> > > alot.  Before my testosterone leve

>

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>

>