Flu Shot

[Guest guest]

from Dale, Mom to Katy, CVID, age 20

, and all those interested in flu shots. Flu mist is an absolute

NO-NO for our kids as it is live-virus. But the flu shot is actually

recommended for most of them. The reason is as follows: It seems that

even though our kids are lacking in building permanent antibodies, there

is some evidence that they build something that gives them a little

temporary protection either through the B-cells or possibly T-cells.

And because flu-shots are needed for a particular season and therefore

not usually included in the IVIG that they are receiving - they have no

protection to the current bugs. So... because flu shots are not

harmful (FOR MOST OF OUR POPULATION -- always talk to your doctor before

deciding!!!) and there's indication of temporary immunity, our

immunologist and pediatrician have always recommended flu shots for

Katy. IDF also supports flu shots for most of our CVID'ers and low IgA

patients. I'm not sure about those with T-cell involvement. Some

people take a flu shot at least twice during flu season -- seems like

early October and again in January. We don't do that -- but might

consider it if the flu season lasts longer than usual. Actually, now

that Katy is in college -- she doesn't bother with the flu shots ---

ARGH!!!

Hope that helps. How's doing?

In His service,

Dale

[Guest guest]

It is my understanding that each year the flu shot is a little different --

there are many different strains and each year they try to predict what strains

will be going around and base the vaccine on those. Also, I believe the abs

you make to the flu vaccine are not permanent, hence, everybody gets a new shot

every year.

always gets two flu shots, one right away and one a month or two later,

so Sept & November or October & December if I didn't have my act together.

Everyone in our family gets a shot to try to keep flu out of our house. DH and I

get ours at Walgreen's or a grocery store, kids get theirs at the peds.

I think I saw a news story that there will be a shortage again this year, so

keep your ears to the ground to get them early!!! Our immuno and ped said that

everyone in our house is considered to be on the " A " list to get flu shots

first in the event of a shortage, due to 's PID. Keep that in mind when you

are calling if needed.

has always gotten 2 shots and has never had the flu! Kate (non-PID) got

it last year badly enough to need Tamiflu.

(mom to , age 5-1/2, dairy intolerant-related GERD -- currently

has polysaccharide antibody def, previously had transient IgG, IgA, t-cell &

other defs... and also to Kate, born 9/19/02, dairy intolerant)

[Guest guest]

Yes! I get the flu shot for my son who has asthma and I also will be getting

one for myself. We got it last year and other than a sore arm no

problems...hugs and smiles!

Donna

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/23/04 8:43:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

faces1999@... writes:

>

> Yes! I get the flu shot for my son who has asthma and I also will be getting

>

> one for myself. We got it last year and other than a sore arm no

> problems...hugs and smiles!

> Donna

>

Hi Donna:

It's that sore arm that I am not looking forward to:) Of course, I'd rather

have that then come down with the nasty flu.

Do you remember when (month) you got the vacinne?

Take care.

Patty

[Guest guest]

Hi Jacqui,

I'm brand new to this group but detoxing is something

I have some experience with. If possible, I would try

the religious exemption or maybe you have a doctor

that would be willing to write a note explaining that

you had a prior reaction to a flu shot.

If not, lots of peopole are using homeopathy for all

sorts of detox, including heavy metals. There is a

group called " homeodetox-talk " . The site is

primarily concerned with detoxing autistic children

but lots of parents on the site go through the process

as well. The moderator is Coyle. She could

probably recommend something for you to take after the

shot and could arrange to have it shipped to you.

Hope that helps.

Craig

--- JACQUELINE I SINATRA <klinksinat1@...> wrote:

> Hi all,

> I have a question for the group. I work at a

> hospital in Seattle that is making in mandatory to

> get the flu shot this year and every year for every

> single emplyee. People who have an allergic reaction

> or for religious reasons are exempt. The institution

> stated in a meeting yesterday that if people refuse

> they will be terminated.

> I know that all flu shots have thermisol in

> them...how can I detox my body once I have the shot?

>

> I was thinking of immediately putting a clay pack on

> the injection site and then a series of ozone saunas

> and maybe taking chlorophyll.

>

> Other ideas?

>

> Thanks-

>

> Jacqui

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

[Guest guest]

knowing what you know and then allowing yourself to get the shot, and then

going through detox is pure insanity

find a lawyer, use the religious exemption or find a sympathetic doctor who

will bend the truth and vouch that you had a previous allergic reaction

thimerosol is not something to play around with

also i think there are some non-thimerosol vaccines. i still wouldnt go near

that stuff but it's probably better than getting a dose of mercury.

[Guest guest]

Hi........there is NO WAY that I would get that shot..........Job be

damned..........this is YOUR health you are talking about....once it is gone it

may be difficult to get back. Robb

Re: Flu shot

knowing what you know and then allowing yourself to get the shot, and then

going through detox is pure insanity

find a lawyer, use the religious exemption or find a sympathetic doctor who

will bend the truth and vouch that you had a previous allergic reaction

thimerosol is not something to play around with

also i think there are some non-thimerosol vaccines. i still wouldnt go near

that stuff but it's probably better than getting a dose of mercury.

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alternative self-help subjects.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Jacqui,

Why not take the religious exemption?

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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From: " JACQUELINE I SINATRA " <klinksinat1@...>

Reply-oxyplus

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Subject: Flu shot

Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:08:36 -0700

Hi all,

I have a question for the group. I work at a hospital in Seattle that is

making in mandatory to get the flu shot this year and every year for every

single emplyee. People who have an allergic reaction or for religious

reasons are exempt. The institution stated in a meeting yesterday that if

people refuse they will be terminated.

I know that all flu shots have thermisol in them...how can I detox my body

once I have the shot?

I was thinking of immediately putting a clay pack on the injection site and

then a series of ozone saunas and maybe taking chlorophyll.

Other ideas?

Thanks-

Jacqui

[Guest guest]

Me neither. People can get very sick from flu shots, and besides,

there's ample evidence that they don't even protect against flu. Flu

mutates very rapidly. AVOID THAT SHOT!

> Hi........there is NO WAY that I would get that shot..........Job

be damned..........this is YOUR health you are talking about....once

it is gone it may be difficult to get back. Robb

> Re: Flu shot

>

>

> knowing what you know and then allowing yourself to get the shot,

and then

> going through detox is pure insanity

>

> find a lawyer, use the religious exemption or find a sympathetic

doctor who

> will bend the truth and vouch that you had a previous allergic

reaction

>

> thimerosol is not something to play around with

>

> also i think there are some non-thimerosol vaccines. i still

wouldnt go near

> that stuff but it's probably better than getting a dose of

mercury.

>

>

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative

therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will

find here are for information and research purposes only. We are

people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found

here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence,

common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own

actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY

responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without

consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or

health care provider.

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jacqui. I agree with Art. Get a lawyer. This is unconstitutional.

The hospital knows that the flu vaccine they are going to give you is

from last years flu and not effective against this years flu.

I know it is a profoundly stressful thing to take a stand, but his is

just wrong.

Much compassion for your situation.

Donna

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JACQUELINE I SINATRA wrote:

> Hi all,

> I have a question for the group. I work at a hospital in Seattle that

> is making in mandatory to get the flu shot this year and every year

> for every single emplyee. People who have an allergic reaction or for

> religious reasons are exempt. The institution stated in a meeting

> yesterday that if people refuse they will be terminated.

> I know that all flu shots have thermisol in them...how can I detox my

> body once I have the shot?

>

> I was thinking of immediately putting a clay pack on the injection

> site and then a series of ozone saunas and maybe taking chlorophyll.

>

> Other ideas?

>

> Thanks-

>

> Jacqui

>

> [ <http://www.nod32.com>

[Guest guest]

I get one every year, they advise the chronic ill to get one. I am a hep-c

non-responder.

Country TV

Ron

Inez, TX. 77968

flu shot

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>

> Does anyone on here get the flu shot? Since my white counts are

> always a little low I was wondering about getting one.

> My doc said he didn't have a clue (gives me great faith in him )

> and that I should call the 1-800 number which I did. They said that

> usually they suggest it, but you should get your docs ok.

> So, I suppose I am on my own with this decision. Any suggestions out

> there?

> Why would I NOT get one?

> <><TammieD><>

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[Guest guest]

Hey Ron, fellow Texan! Where is Inez?

Alley

Grand Prairie, Tx

[Guest guest]

I got the flu shot on tx and off. My white counts weren't below norm when I did

it, but were going low as they usually do on tx. No problems.

Good idea to call the 800 number.

Alley

[Guest guest]

Hey Ron, fellow Texan! Where is Inez?

Alley

Grand Prairie, Tx

[Guest guest]

I got the flu shot on tx and off. My white counts weren't below norm when I did

it, but were going low as they usually do on tx. No problems.

Good idea to call the 800 number.

Alley

[Guest guest]

Small place, 14 miles east of TX. coastal bend area.

Country TV

Ron

Inez, TX. 77968

Re: flu shot

>

> Hey Ron, fellow Texan! Where is Inez?

>

> Alley

> Grand Prairie, Tx

>

>

[Guest guest]

Small place, 14 miles east of TX. coastal bend area.

Country TV

Ron

Inez, TX. 77968

Re: flu shot

>

> Hey Ron, fellow Texan! Where is Inez?

>

> Alley

> Grand Prairie, Tx

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, definitely get the flu shot! You should also get vaccinated for Hep B

and Hep A. And, get vaccinated for pneumonia too.

The vaccine is made of dead virus' so you can't get the flu from it, although

some claim that they do.

My personal thoughts on getting the shot is that our bodies are already in a

fight and under stress which puts us in the position of catching almost

anything that is going around. The flu shot really helps me. I can't believe I

haven't had a cold or the flu since I've been getting them, and I used get the

flu and/or bronchitis every year before then.

We can't afford to not get vaccinated against everything that we could be

very susceptible to. What may make a 'regular' person ill, could be almost

deadly for us heppers.

Go for it girl!

Betty

[Guest guest]

Yes, definitely get the flu shot! You should also get vaccinated for Hep B

and Hep A. And, get vaccinated for pneumonia too.

The vaccine is made of dead virus' so you can't get the flu from it, although

some claim that they do.

My personal thoughts on getting the shot is that our bodies are already in a

fight and under stress which puts us in the position of catching almost

anything that is going around. The flu shot really helps me. I can't believe I

haven't had a cold or the flu since I've been getting them, and I used get the

flu and/or bronchitis every year before then.

We can't afford to not get vaccinated against everything that we could be

very susceptible to. What may make a 'regular' person ill, could be almost

deadly for us heppers.

Go for it girl!

Betty

[Guest guest]

I did my first flu shot last year while in treatment. Although I've never had

the flu (knock on wood), I felt that with my immune system fighting the virus

and thus comprimised, it wouldn't hurt to get a flu shot to be on the safe side.

I didn't have any reaction to the shot and even though exposed to people with

flu in the office, I never got it.

flu shot

Does anyone on here get the flu shot? Since my white counts are

always a little low I was wondering about getting one.

My doc said he didn't have a clue (gives me great faith in him )

and that I should call the 1-800 number which I did. They said that

usually they suggest it, but you should get your docs ok.

So, I suppose I am on my own with this decision. Any suggestions out

there?

Why would I NOT get one?

<><TammieD><>

[Guest guest]

I did my first flu shot last year while in treatment. Although I've never had

the flu (knock on wood), I felt that with my immune system fighting the virus

and thus comprimised, it wouldn't hurt to get a flu shot to be on the safe side.

I didn't have any reaction to the shot and even though exposed to people with

flu in the office, I never got it.

flu shot

Does anyone on here get the flu shot? Since my white counts are

always a little low I was wondering about getting one.

My doc said he didn't have a clue (gives me great faith in him )

and that I should call the 1-800 number which I did. They said that

usually they suggest it, but you should get your docs ok.

So, I suppose I am on my own with this decision. Any suggestions out

there?

Why would I NOT get one?

<><TammieD><>

[Guest guest]

As soon as we found out I had Hep C, both my primary care physician and my

hepatologist prescribed a flu shot. And the pcp wondered if I should get

the pneumo-something shot for pneumonia. Then I lost my medical insurance

so I never found out if I should have that shot or not.

This year I will go to a flu shot clinic and continue to get one. It will

cost $15.

I have never had the flu. And I don't want it!

Pam in Maine

>From: " tammster62 " <t1d1r1d1@...>

>Reply-Hepatitis C

>Hepatitis C

>Subject: flu shot

>Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:42:51 -0000

>

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>Does anyone on here get the flu shot? Since my white counts are

>always a little low I was wondering about getting one.

>My doc said he didn't have a clue (gives me great faith in him )

>and that I should call the 1-800 number which I did. They said that

>usually they suggest it, but you should get your docs ok.

>So, I suppose I am on my own with this decision. Any suggestions out

>there?

>Why would I NOT get one?

> <><TammieD><>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

As soon as we found out I had Hep C, both my primary care physician and my

hepatologist prescribed a flu shot. And the pcp wondered if I should get

the pneumo-something shot for pneumonia. Then I lost my medical insurance

so I never found out if I should have that shot or not.

This year I will go to a flu shot clinic and continue to get one. It will

cost $15.

I have never had the flu. And I don't want it!

Pam in Maine

>From: " tammster62 " <t1d1r1d1@...>

>Reply-Hepatitis C

>Hepatitis C

>Subject: flu shot

>Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:42:51 -0000

>

>

>Does anyone on here get the flu shot? Since my white counts are

>always a little low I was wondering about getting one.

>My doc said he didn't have a clue (gives me great faith in him )

>and that I should call the 1-800 number which I did. They said that

>usually they suggest it, but you should get your docs ok.

>So, I suppose I am on my own with this decision. Any suggestions out

>there?

>Why would I NOT get one?

> <><TammieD><>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi . . . .this flu shot rationing is not really anything new.

I can remember for the lasts several years that there has been a

report that we were going to be short on the vaccine.

I believe that in the year 2000, when I worked for a doctor's office

we were only giving the shots to people over 65, people with chronic

illnesses and health care workers. I have taken a flu shot every

year that I have been a nurse and if they are offering them at my

work this year I will take one . . . if not, I really don't think it

will be any big deal . . . .

Marilyn in NC - 3 days post-op and doing fine

[Guest guest]

I had a hard time with this decision because I didn't want to take a shot

from someone who needed it more. I got it today, MAINLY because my iron is

so low that getting over the flu could be a real issue. The nurse assured me

that she thought I was EXACTLY the person who should take it. I don't think

it was because of the by-pass as much as because of the anemia. My PCP had

me on the at risk list...he said, I was LOW, high risk...how do you like

that...ie, it isn't going to kill you but you ARE going to be very, very

sick, he said...I agree, it is a hard decision. My 79 year old mother is

diabetic and asmathic and allergic to the vaccine and one of my concerns is

always that we might give it to her...

Flu shot

I just saw a news story in the Atlanta area concerning the flu shot

and the fact that some areas are voluntarily giving the shot to only

the high risk individuals while others are giving it to anybody that

wants it. They are calling for voluntary rationing of the vaccine.

Since the staff at CLOS has said that we are at no greater risk to

get the flu than anyone else (and admitting that I have never gotten

a flu shot before anyway) I just wanted to say that I am going to

continue what I have done in the past and take my chances. The story

I saw once again urged that only those at the highest risk for

complications from the flu take the shot. It also reinforced that

there are several medicines out there to treat the flu early if you

happen to get it.

I am in no way trying to telling anyone else what do do but I would

rather " my shot " figuratively go to a high risk individual.

in GA