First Day of School

[Guest guest]

,

I believe my son's meltdown yesterday was because of lack of food also.

He had a Pedisure in the morning, but he rarely eats the snack served

(he won't finish anything, so he doesn't have to throw away the

wrapper/package/baggie). He ate only 2 carrot sticks for lunch and

refused to buy milk or a popsicle because he can't bare to give away

his coins (he hoards, by the way, LOL). Then, he ate 3 teddie grams at

his babysitter's house (couldn't finish because they had " faces " ...as

you may have guessed, he's a vegetarian). Plus, these kids get about 20

minutes to eat anyway that is combined with recess. There's no way my

active kid is going to chose food over playtime. HOW DO WE GET THEM TO

EAT?! Ugh.

Kris

> I guess the 1st day blues hit lots of us. Cameron did good the 1st

> day - it was only a 1/2 day. Day 2 went " ok " .....today was disaster -

> over hot lunch!!!!! I had him take hot lunch yesterday, which was

> chicken nuggets.....thought that would be perfect....but they

> were " squishy...not crunchy " .....so today was a food meltdown. Pepp.

> pizza, another favorite, but he was panicked...if he doesn't like it,

> the lunch ladies will make him miss recess until he finishes it (not

> true). He also didn't want either of his two cold lunch options -

> cereal or sandwich....his options, not mine. I make sure he gets a

> big breakfast...but by 3:30 he's starved....

>

> in MI

[Guest guest]

Wow....so far Cameron is not to that extreme. He is pretty good once

he actually takes a bite. It's getting him to take the bite....it

looks different, etc.....then he's the last one eating cuz of all the

rituals. I do give him a vitamin in the morning. Maybe I'll try

the pedisure. Does your son like it? Is it like chocolate milk? I

might have to open it, pour it in a choc. milk container. Oh, the

things we do!!!

in MI

[Guest guest]

,

That's good that Cameron isn't so extreme in eating. My son actually,

only likes the strawberry flavor. And I've always assumed that I can

get that down him because he started on it young. But, hopefully

Cameron will like it. At least it's about 10 gms of protein in him!

Kris

P.S. My younger son who definitely likes a good meal (he's skinny too,

but will try anything...LOL) hates Pediasure!

> Wow....so far Cameron is not to that extreme. He is pretty good once

> he actually takes a bite. It's getting him to take the bite....it

> looks different, etc.....then he's the last one eating cuz of all the

> rituals. I do give him a vitamin in the morning. Maybe I'll try

> the pedisure. Does your son like it? Is it like chocolate milk? I

> might have to open it, pour it in a choc. milk container. Oh, the

> things we do!!!

>

> in MI

[Guest guest]

Dea,

We have had some similar situations at our home. We went the day before

school started to the open house, loved the teacher really left with a

positive outlook. Went to our therapist shortly after and my son had a major

melt down, and went into a rage. My therapist had to hold him down for 20

minutes. My son was yelling he didn’t want to be there and talk about all

his deep secrets. He had never been so severe at his office and I can’t help

but think it has to do with all the emotions built up about school either.

My son has had these rages all summer with us in different stressful

situations he had been in. He is on Zoloft right now and am trying to figure

out if it is the Zoloft or the OCD causing these fits. Lucky for us, our

pediatrician is out of the country for 2 ½ weeks and the other doctors in

his office don’t want to do anything with this medication until he gets

back. Ugg!

I feel like a emotional wreck. Just like you said, you have a good day and

then boom with the bad and you never know when it is going to show its ugly

face. With school I am so afraid waiting for the next bomb to hit, and

praying it won’t be in front of all the kids for ridicule. This is all so

hard on mom, isn’t it.?

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of deannalearider

Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:13 PM

Subject: First day of school

Well today was the first day of school and it went well. No

meltdowns in the AM and she made it through the whole day and has not

refused to go back. The guidance councelor checked on her a few

times and got a thumbs up and we had no bathroom issues. I was

feeling very positive about the day until we went to therapy in the

evening. My daughter was like a different kid. She was beligerent,

mean, uncooperative, and so stuborn. She just will not participate

in the therapy at all. I had to count her many times and keep

putting her in time out in the therapist office. Several times I had

to force her into the time out, drag her bodily out from under a

table. I am just not strong enough physically or mentally for that.

The therapist says that until we get this behavior under control we

can not work on erp or cbt. Everything I have read says this type of

raging is typical of several OCD. If the kids are raging at you over

other stuff than they are taking the focus off the OCD. Also I think

she holds it togehter at school and it takes so much out of her that

she just melts down later. I know that type of behavior is not

acceptable but I can't help but wonder if she did not have such

severe ocd if she would not have these rages. She struggels with

everything all the time and than looses control. I know I should

celebrate that the first day of school went well but every time there

is one victory there are 10 new problems.

Hope everyone else is having good first days of school.

Dea

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/28/2006 10:14:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

deannalearider@... writes:

I was

feeling very positive about the day until we went to therapy in the

evening. My daughter was like a different kid.

Dea

I read posts like this & think of how my dd is during therapy appts. It

makes me wonder if some of this isn't due to the fact that being at the

therapist's office forces these kids to deal with & accept the fact that they

have

OCD, and part of the problem is that they don't want to deal with it or accept

the fact that they have it.

While my daughter doesn't rage during her appts, she definitely acts

differently. It's difficult for her to admit much of anything in front of the

therapist, while at home she'll talk about it. I know my dd HATES to go to

therapy. It's not that the doctor isn't nice, or that she doesn't like the

doctor,

it's that she completely resists any confirmation that she has OCD outside

of the family.

Every time we have an appt, we go through the same arguments, " WHY do I have

to go? " " I'm fine now - I can handle this without a doctor " (which she can

NOT.) She is very confused because things are much easier for her now that

she's on meds & they work. She wants to slowly decrease the Prozac because

she doesn't think she needs it anymore because things are easy right now. I

try to explain to her that it's only easy BECAUSE of the medication & it's NOT

her doing it. She just doesn't understand.

I told her that IF she goes to the therapist & participates in the CBT &

ERP, we will talk to the psychiatrist at our next appt to see if we could try a

reduction in meds & how she does with that -- but ONLY if she works with the

therapy to handle OCD on her own -- which she hasn't done yet. First of all

- we've only had one appt with the psychologist - she hasn't " learned " to do

anything yet. I don't know if that was the right promise to make or not

(reducing meds after she learns some therapy), but I'm tired of the arguments

before & after every appt. I'm also scared that if we start messing with her

medication level, something will change & maybe, if reducing it causes

problems, then increasing it might not work the next time & where will we be

then???

Jumping from med combo to med combo experiencing problems like so many other

people? I don't want that for her (or us).

She resists & fights against everything with those appts, although she will

sit calmly & speak politely to the therapist -- it's not all truthful. She

doesn't admit to everything in the sessions - of course, if she DID, she would

then have to talk about it & start doing something about it. And she's not

ok with that.

Anyway, just my thoughts on that.

LT

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/29/2006 10:58:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

g_mart1971@... writes:

My ds states we just need to accept that this is the way he is and his life

will consist of living within the confines of our home and doing nothing but

being zombied out in front of the TV or computer.

g_mart --

UGH!!! That is the saddest thing I've EVER heard. Sweet thing - he sounds

so filled with hopelessness. Would he consider talking to other kids with

OCD? Has he read anything about it (his age level)? (sorry if you covered any

of this in previous posts... I'm woefully behind & can't read every one on

the board any more). It sounds like he really needs to talk to some other

kids who have had some success handling OCD so he realizes he has a chance at

that & it doesn't mean he has to live an isolated life. Don't let him give up

on trying.

LT

[Guest guest]

What do you do about the rages? Our therapist does not give the time

outs, she wants us to do it to establish control. I timed her out

and she just kept coming back for more. If we did not have the ocd

would she rage so much is what I keep asking myself. Its like which

came first the chicken or the egg. Fix the ocd, fix the behavior,

which do we do first. Right now nothing is helping. I agree with UGG

Dea

- In , " Adele Mahan " <adelem@...>

wrote:

>

> Dea,

>

> We have had some similar situations at our home. We went the day

before

> school started to the open house, loved the teacher really left

with a

> positive outlook. Went to our therapist shortly after and my son

had a major

> melt down, and went into a rage. My therapist had to hold him down

for 20

> minutes. My son was yelling he didn't want to be there and talk

about all

> his deep secrets. He had never been so severe at his office and I

can't help

> but think it has to do with all the emotions built up about school

either.

> My son has had these rages all summer with us in different stressful

> situations he had been in. He is on Zoloft right now and am trying

to figure

> out if it is the Zoloft or the OCD causing these fits. Lucky for

us, our

> pediatrician is out of the country for 2 ½ weeks and the other

doctors in

> his office don't want to do anything with this medication until he

gets

> back. Ugg!

>

>

>

> I feel like a emotional wreck. Just like you said, you have a good

day and

> then boom with the bad and you never know when it is going to show

its ugly

> face. With school I am so afraid waiting for the next bomb to hit,

and

> praying it won't be in front of all the kids for ridicule. This is

all so

> hard on mom, isn't it.?

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of deannalearider

> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:13 PM

>

> Subject: First day of school

>

>

>

> Well today was the first day of school and it went well. No

> meltdowns in the AM and she made it through the whole day and has

not

> refused to go back. The guidance councelor checked on her a few

> times and got a thumbs up and we had no bathroom issues. I was

> feeling very positive about the day until we went to therapy in the

> evening. My daughter was like a different kid. She was beligerent,

> mean, uncooperative, and so stuborn. She just will not participate

> in the therapy at all. I had to count her many times and keep

> putting her in time out in the therapist office. Several times I

had

> to force her into the time out, drag her bodily out from under a

> table. I am just not strong enough physically or mentally for that.

> The therapist says that until we get this behavior under control we

> can not work on erp or cbt. Everything I have read says this type

of

> raging is typical of several OCD. If the kids are raging at you

over

> other stuff than they are taking the focus off the OCD. Also I

think

> she holds it togehter at school and it takes so much out of her

that

> she just melts down later. I know that type of behavior is not

> acceptable but I can't help but wonder if she did not have such

> severe ocd if she would not have these rages. She struggels with

> everything all the time and than looses control. I know I should

> celebrate that the first day of school went well but every time

there

> is one victory there are 10 new problems.

> Hope everyone else is having good first days of school.

> Dea

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This sounds familiar to me. My ds states the doctors haven't been able to help

him thus far and the meds don't help either. He argues every time we have to go

to the doc, in fact the doc says we should lay off therapy until the meds kick

in more. My ds states we just need to accept that this is the way he is and his

life will consist of living within the confines of our home and doing nothing

but being zombied out in front of the TV or computer. It makes me want to take

it all away but then he has to deal with his thoughts.

jtlt@... wrote:

In a message dated 8/28/2006 10:14:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

deannalearider@... writes:

I was

feeling very positive about the day until we went to therapy in the

evening. My daughter was like a different kid.

Dea

I read posts like this & think of how my dd is during therapy appts. It

makes me wonder if some of this isn't due to the fact that being at the

therapist's office forces these kids to deal with & accept the fact that they

have

OCD, and part of the problem is that they don't want to deal with it or accept

the fact that they have it.

While my daughter doesn't rage during her appts, she definitely acts

differently. It's difficult for her to admit much of anything in front of the

therapist, while at home she'll talk about it. I know my dd HATES to go to

therapy. It's not that the doctor isn't nice, or that she doesn't like the

doctor,

it's that she completely resists any confirmation that she has OCD outside

of the family.

Every time we have an appt, we go through the same arguments, " WHY do I have

to go? " " I'm fine now - I can handle this without a doctor " (which she can

NOT.) She is very confused because things are much easier for her now that

she's on meds & they work. She wants to slowly decrease the Prozac because

she doesn't think she needs it anymore because things are easy right now. I

try to explain to her that it's only easy BECAUSE of the medication & it's NOT

her doing it. She just doesn't understand.

I told her that IF she goes to the therapist & participates in the CBT &

ERP, we will talk to the psychiatrist at our next appt to see if we could try a

reduction in meds & how she does with that -- but ONLY if she works with the

therapy to handle OCD on her own -- which she hasn't done yet. First of all

- we've only had one appt with the psychologist - she hasn't " learned " to do

anything yet. I don't know if that was the right promise to make or not

(reducing meds after she learns some therapy), but I'm tired of the arguments

before & after every appt. I'm also scared that if we start messing with her

medication level, something will change & maybe, if reducing it causes

problems, then increasing it might not work the next time & where will we be

then???

Jumping from med combo to med combo experiencing problems like so many other

people? I don't want that for her (or us).

She resists & fights against everything with those appts, although she will

sit calmly & speak politely to the therapist -- it's not all truthful. She

doesn't admit to everything in the sessions - of course, if she DID, she would

then have to talk about it & start doing something about it. And she's not

ok with that.

Anyway, just my thoughts on that.

LT

[Guest guest]

LT,

I agree with all that you said. My son said one time, " going to Dr. S. is

like a ugly person going to talk about how ugly they are " . Then this last

time he said, " I hate going and talking about all my secrets, its not

anyones business " Not until an emergency comes up and then he sure floods

mom with his secrets, ha! Everytime I try to talk to my son about it he just

doesn't want to talk. I can't figure out why the pull is so strong not to

talk about it. The only thing I can think of is that perfectionist comes

with this and therefore if you feel you need to be perfect you wouldn't want

to talk about how not perfect you are. My husband with OCD is the same way.

I do not have OCD and I actually love going to the therapist and talking

about all my problems, I can't seem to get enough.

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of jtlt@...

Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:47 AM

Subject: Re: First day of school

In a message dated 8/28/2006 10:14:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

deannalearider@ <mailto:deannalearider%40> writes:

I was

feeling very positive about the day until we went to therapy in the

evening. My daughter was like a different kid.

Dea

I read posts like this & think of how my dd is during therapy appts. It

makes me wonder if some of this isn't due to the fact that being at the

therapist's office forces these kids to deal with & accept the fact that

they have

OCD, and part of the problem is that they don't want to deal with it or

accept

the fact that they have it.

While my daughter doesn't rage during her appts, she definitely acts

differently. It's difficult for her to admit much of anything in front of

the

therapist, while at home she'll talk about it. I know my dd HATES to go to

therapy. It's not that the doctor isn't nice, or that she doesn't like the

doctor,

it's that she completely resists any confirmation that she has OCD outside

of the family.

Every time we have an appt, we go through the same arguments, " WHY do I have

to go? " " I'm fine now - I can handle this without a doctor " (which she can

NOT.) She is very confused because things are much easier for her now that

she's on meds & they work. She wants to slowly decrease the Prozac because

she doesn't think she needs it anymore because things are easy right now. I

try to explain to her that it's only easy BECAUSE of the medication & it's

NOT

her doing it. She just doesn't understand.

I told her that IF she goes to the therapist & participates in the CBT &

ERP, we will talk to the psychiatrist at our next appt to see if we could

try a

reduction in meds & how she does with that -- but ONLY if she works with the

therapy to handle OCD on her own -- which she hasn't done yet. First of all

- we've only had one appt with the psychologist - she hasn't " learned " to do

anything yet. I don't know if that was the right promise to make or not

(reducing meds after she learns some therapy), but I'm tired of the

arguments

before & after every appt. I'm also scared that if we start messing with her

medication level, something will change & maybe, if reducing it causes

problems, then increasing it might not work the next time & where will we be

then???

Jumping from med combo to med combo experiencing problems like so many other

people? I don't want that for her (or us).

She resists & fights against everything with those appts, although she will

sit calmly & speak politely to the therapist -- it's not all truthful. She

doesn't admit to everything in the sessions - of course, if she DID, she

would

then have to talk about it & start doing something about it. And she's not

ok with that.

Anyway, just my thoughts on that.

LT

[Guest guest]

as frustrated as I get I am not giving up. I can't stand the thought

of her growing into adult and not being able to do even the

simpiliest thing. We drag her to the appointments as painful as it

is because we have to. Do not give up

Dea

> In a message dated 8/28/2006 10:14:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> deannalearider@... writes:

>

> I was

> feeling very positive about the day until we went to therapy in the

> evening. My daughter was like a different kid.

>

> Dea

>

> I read posts like this & think of how my dd is during therapy

appts. It

> makes me wonder if some of this isn't due to the fact that being at

the

> therapist's office forces these kids to deal with & accept the fact

that they have

> OCD, and part of the problem is that they don't want to deal with

it or accept

> the fact that they have it.

>

> While my daughter doesn't rage during her appts, she definitely

acts

> differently. It's difficult for her to admit much of anything in

front of the

> therapist, while at home she'll talk about it. I know my dd HATES

to go to

> therapy. It's not that the doctor isn't nice, or that she doesn't

like the doctor,

> it's that she completely resists any confirmation that she has OCD

outside

> of the family.

>

> Every time we have an appt, we go through the same arguments, " WHY

do I have

> to go? " " I'm fine now - I can handle this without a doctor " (which

she can

> NOT.) She is very confused because things are much easier for her

now that

> she's on meds & they work. She wants to slowly decrease the Prozac

because

> she doesn't think she needs it anymore because things are easy

right now. I

> try to explain to her that it's only easy BECAUSE of the medication

& it's NOT

> her doing it. She just doesn't understand.

>

> I told her that IF she goes to the therapist & participates in the

CBT &

> ERP, we will talk to the psychiatrist at our next appt to see if we

could try a

> reduction in meds & how she does with that -- but ONLY if she works

with the

> therapy to handle OCD on her own -- which she hasn't done yet.

First of all

> - we've only had one appt with the psychologist - she

hasn't " learned " to do

> anything yet. I don't know if that was the right promise to make or

not

> (reducing meds after she learns some therapy), but I'm tired of the

arguments

> before & after every appt. I'm also scared that if we start messing

with her

> medication level, something will change & maybe, if reducing it

causes

> problems, then increasing it might not work the next time & where

will we be then???

> Jumping from med combo to med combo experiencing problems like so

many other

> people? I don't want that for her (or us).

>

> She resists & fights against everything with those appts, although

she will

> sit calmly & speak politely to the therapist -- it's not all

truthful. She

> doesn't admit to everything in the sessions - of course, if she

DID, she would

> then have to talk about it & start doing something about it. And

she's not

> ok with that.

>

> Anyway, just my thoughts on that.

> LT

>

>

[Guest guest]

I asked my therapist how long should I let me son play gameboy, computer,

tv, etc. because I was so concerned about the time he is spending doing

these things. His comment was that these things were helping him cope, that

he recommended me make him get off of them every hour and take a break for

awhile from it. He recommended me telling my son after he does.... (for me)

then you can have a hour on gameboy, etc,

My son states that he doesn't need to change or get help. My therapist

comment to that is okay that is fine if you want to live this way but don't

expect your mom to do the same. His advice to me is to try as much as

possible to keep on with life as usual. I think it is easy for them to not

get help for themselves if we are willing to get drawn into this with them.

My son is 9 and I will leave him home for short periods of time. I am trying

to go do little things to show him if he chooses not to work on this then he

might spend some time alone. I have noticed at times when I give up that

control to him, he is a little more eager to go with me the next time.

Hope this helps some, but know I totally understand how you feel and am

having the same struggle with my son.I really think this is the hardest

part. I am very much a go getter and a extravert and the isolation has been

killing me.

DP

_____

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dea,

Your daughter sounds very much like mine. She has never been a behavioral

problem in school, but the second her foot hits the door watch out! She saves

all the raging for me.She holds it together all day at school. Occasionally she

will throw a rage with her dad, or another relative, or in a store,doctors

office, etc, but normally it's for me.

My daughter also has bipolar disorder, but I have always felt deep down that

the actual rages were caused by her severe ocd issues.

Anyway, Smile for today! Your daughter had a good first day at school!!!!! My

kids start tomorrow.

Hugs

Judy

[Guest guest]

Yes, don't give up!!!!

My daughter was soooo bad from the time she was 3, I thought I couldn't handle

another day. She had spent 2 years in and out of hospitals. Dozens of med

combinations and therapists.I should say, refusing therapy. Now she is a

different kid. I still do at times have extreme difficulty with her, but she has

come a very very long way. You would never know she were the same kid.

As frustrating as it is, they usually do better with a little maturity.

hugs

Judy

mom to Brittany-11-NT -going into 6th gr-high honor student

-Brittany's twin-3-29-95--4-7-95

-9-bp,ocd,multiple other anxiety disorders,odd,cyclical vomiting

syndrome, 75mg zoloft,.1mg clonidine,5mg abilify, going into reg 5th gr

class-504plan

iel 4-ocd,multiple anxiety disorders,

speech articulation problem-going into kindergarten-speech therapy, IEP ,

12.5mg zoloft

[Guest guest]

Good luck tommorrow. Will be thinking about you. Aren't we lucky

that all of the joy is saved for mom.

dea

-- In , jchabot <jchabot@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Dea,

> Your daughter sounds very much like mine. She has never been a

behavioral problem in school, but the second her foot hits the door

watch out! She saves all the raging for me.She holds it together all

day at school. Occasionally she will throw a rage with her dad, or

another relative, or in a store,doctors office, etc, but normally

it's for me.

> My daughter also has bipolar disorder, but I have always felt

deep down that the actual rages were caused by her severe ocd issues.

>

> Anyway, Smile for today! Your daughter had a good first day at

school!!!!! My kids start tomorrow.

> Hugs

> Judy

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know what you mean. My son did the same thing. This has been worst several

weeks that we have had in a LONG TIME. I think they are SO STRESSED out from

the change and the anxiety from starting school that they hold it in ALL DAY

and when they get to a safe place ,such as home or Dr. office, they let it

ALL OUT.

Sheree

[Guest guest]

Believe me, we won't let him give up. We're exhausting ourselves trying

everything. I would love for him to meet another kid around his age that has

similar problems---or someone who's started feeling better and can give him some

hope. How do I find someone? I also would love to find some good reading

material on his level. Any suggestions?

jtlt@... wrote:

In a message dated 8/29/2006 10:58:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

g_mart1971@... writes:

My ds states we just need to accept that this is the way he is and his life

will consist of living within the confines of our home and doing nothing but

being zombied out in front of the TV or computer.

g_mart --

UGH!!! That is the saddest thing I've EVER heard. Sweet thing - he sounds

so filled with hopelessness. Would he consider talking to other kids with

OCD? Has he read anything about it (his age level)? (sorry if you covered any

of this in previous posts... I'm woefully behind & can't read every one on

the board any more). It sounds like he really needs to talk to some other

kids who have had some success handling OCD so he realizes he has a chance at

that & it doesn't mean he has to live an isolated life. Don't let him give up

on trying.

LT

[Guest guest]

At the present time this isn't an issue for me, as my son (aspergers/ocd) is in

a day unit of a residential school, and they do a great job of dealing with a

wide variety of behaviors. The acedemics stink, but the work with the behaviors

is great.

Now in the past with our regular school district life was hell. I always

seemed that no matter how much explanation was given on this disorder there was

nothing that sunk in. In 5th grade life was wonderful as his teacher had life

experinece with a sib with OCD and understood how to work with it.

6th grade lead to the out of district placement. And I will assert till my

dying day that the issue was more with a teacher who didn't understand and

refused to listen or read etc. My son is a PANDAS kid and he got a bad sinus

infection. One thing that had been an issue with him was shoe placement at gym.

On one day right at the begining of his infection the gym was in disarray for a

concert that evening. Now it seemed to me that if this was going to cause a

difficulty he couldn't handle then for that particular day he could have been

kept back from gym. Instead he was taken and fought with about placing his

shoes in a different area. When he wouldn't comply he was then pulled from the

gym. Where he was hitting at the person who was pulling him down the hall.

When I was called too school, the first thing out of the teachers mouth was,

we have to assume this is your fault as he'd been doing so well.

I also understand the issues of holding in there anxiety and letting loose at

home. With the same teacher, I had many calls where she was so concerned with

the bus drivers safety that she wouldn't allow him to ride home on the bus.

But, not this day, she thought everything was fine. He had won the National

Geographic Geo Bee for his school. Such a wonderful proud moment. From there

the kids test for state etc. They gave him the test the next day without any

prep time. And when they were notified he didn't make it they felt he was fine

with the news. He entered our house like a dragon, kicking, hitting, crying and

head banging.

Its always so difficult, so as this school year begins everyone is in my heart

and prayers.

---------------------------------

Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small

Business.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/30/2006 8:40:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

adelem@... writes:

I do not have OCD and I actually love going to the therapist and talking

about all my problems, I can't seem to get enough.

DP

That's funny. I feel the same way. One day at the psyc's office, we were

in a heated discussion about this & that with my daugther - then I made a

comment about how chaotic things had been & I guess, with my facial expression

&

my comment she knew things were getting to me... it was just time for us to

go & she looked at me and said " no, please continue - what else is going on...

" and I just DUMPED on the poor woman for like 5 minutes straight. Then I

said " WOW... thanks - that was GREAT ! " and we all laughed.

Therapy's da' bomb! Too bad most kids don't feel the same way. I think

they are unable to get away from the thought that this means something is

'wrong' with them. They don't think like adults think " this is going to help

me. "

The first appt we ever had for my daughter when we realized it was OCD, she

was in tears in the car in front of the therapist's office - would NOT get

out on her own - sat and cried & carried on & argued with us about going " I am

NOT going in there... you CAN'T make me go " Finally, after about 20 minutes

of prying & questioning her, she FINALLY came out with...... " I do NOT want

to be 'the 14 year old who needs therapy' " ......................AHA!!!

For a kid who didn't know anyone in therapy and has no experience to form an

opinion, she had a very definite opinion of what it would look like to other

people. She was scared to death of being labeled that way.

LT

[Guest guest]

I have started going on my own appointments with the same therapist and it

has been great. I decided that there is no way I can help my child,

discipline and be strong if I don't get help for myself. My mental health is

falling apart and I just have to get the support I need also. Me going by

myself is making a huge difference and I am finding I need the full hour or

even two hours one day to get it all out and get the guidance I need.

My son has been going around asking people, " So.how does it make you feel? "

and he even lays on this desk in our house with a pillow and pretends that

he is in a psychologist office. The funny thing is our therapist has never

asked him how he feels or had him lay down on a sofa, ha! I think he must

have seen it somewhere on tv.

Back to me going by myself, I come home with a big smile on my face and brag

how wonderful it was to go to therapy. I am hoping that my family will see

it is a good thing and making positive changes in mom. My son was funny

yesterday he said to the therapis, " my mom loves going to you for some

reason! " Hee!

This process is very interesting isn't it.

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of jtlt@...

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:28 AM

Subject: Re: First day of school

In a message dated 8/30/2006 8:40:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

adelemcarolina (DOT) <mailto:adelem%40carolina.rr.com> rr.com writes:

I do not have OCD and I actually love going to the therapist and talking

about all my problems, I can't seem to get enough.

DP

That's funny. I feel the same way. One day at the psyc's office, we were

in a heated discussion about this & that with my daugther - then I made a

comment about how chaotic things had been & I guess, with my facial

expression &

my comment she knew things were getting to me... it was just time for us to

go & she looked at me and said " no, please continue - what else is going

on...

" and I just DUMPED on the poor woman for like 5 minutes straight. Then I

said " WOW... thanks - that was GREAT ! " and we all laughed.

Therapy's da' bomb! Too bad most kids don't feel the same way. I think

they are unable to get away from the thought that this means something is

'wrong' with them. They don't think like adults think " this is going to help

me. "

The first appt we ever had for my daughter when we realized it was OCD, she

was in tears in the car in front of the therapist's office - would NOT get

out on her own - sat and cried & carried on & argued with us about going " I

am

NOT going in there... you CAN'T make me go " Finally, after about 20 minutes

of prying & questioning her, she FINALLY came out with...... " I do NOT want

to be 'the 14 year old who needs therapy' " ......................AHA!!!

For a kid who didn't know anyone in therapy and has no experience to form an

opinion, she had a very definite opinion of what it would look like to other

people. She was scared to death of being labeled that way.

LT

[Guest guest]

I have started going on my own appointments with the same therapist and it

has been great. I decided that there is no way I can help my child,

discipline and be strong if I don't get help for myself. My mental health is

falling apart and I just have to get the support I need also. Me going by

myself is making a huge difference and I am finding I need the full hour or

even two hours one day to get it all out and get the guidance I need.

My son has been going around asking people, " So.how does it make you feel? "

and he even lays on this desk in our house with a pillow and pretends that

he is in a psychologist office. The funny thing is our therapist has never

asked him how he feels or had him lay down on a sofa, ha! I think he must

have seen it somewhere on tv.

Back to me going by myself, I come home with a big smile on my face and brag

how wonderful it was to go to therapy. I am hoping that my family will see

it is a good thing and making positive changes in mom. My son was funny

yesterday he said to the therapis, " my mom loves going to you for some

reason! " Hee!

This process is very interesting isn't it.

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of jtlt@...

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:28 AM

Subject: Re: First day of school

In a message dated 8/30/2006 8:40:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

adelemcarolina (DOT) <mailto:adelem%40carolina.rr.com> rr.com writes:

I do not have OCD and I actually love going to the therapist and talking

about all my problems, I can't seem to get enough.

DP

That's funny. I feel the same way. One day at the psyc's office, we were

in a heated discussion about this & that with my daugther - then I made a

comment about how chaotic things had been & I guess, with my facial

expression &

my comment she knew things were getting to me... it was just time for us to

go & she looked at me and said " no, please continue - what else is going

on...

" and I just DUMPED on the poor woman for like 5 minutes straight. Then I

said " WOW... thanks - that was GREAT ! " and we all laughed.

Therapy's da' bomb! Too bad most kids don't feel the same way. I think

they are unable to get away from the thought that this means something is

'wrong' with them. They don't think like adults think " this is going to help

me. "

The first appt we ever had for my daughter when we realized it was OCD, she

was in tears in the car in front of the therapist's office - would NOT get

out on her own - sat and cried & carried on & argued with us about going " I

am

NOT going in there... you CAN'T make me go " Finally, after about 20 minutes

of prying & questioning her, she FINALLY came out with...... " I do NOT want

to be 'the 14 year old who needs therapy' " ......................AHA!!!

For a kid who didn't know anyone in therapy and has no experience to form an

opinion, she had a very definite opinion of what it would look like to other

people. She was scared to death of being labeled that way.

LT

[Guest guest]

i know i get a lot out of going, too!

sharon

Re: First day of school

In a message dated 8/30/2006 8:40:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

adelem@... writes:

I do not have OCD and I actually love going to the therapist and talking

about all my problems, I can't seem to get enough.

DP

That's funny. I feel the same way. One day at the psyc's office, we were

in a heated discussion about this & that with my daugther - then I made a

comment about how chaotic things had been & I guess, with my facial expression

&

my comment she knew things were getting to me... it was just time for us to

go & she looked at me and said " no, please continue - what else is going on...

" and I just DUMPED on the poor woman for like 5 minutes straight. Then I

said " WOW... thanks - that was GREAT ! " and we all laughed.

Therapy's da' bomb! Too bad most kids don't feel the same way. I think

they are unable to get away from the thought that this means something is

'wrong' with them. They don't think like adults think " this is going to help

me. "

The first appt we ever had for my daughter when we realized it was OCD, she

was in tears in the car in front of the therapist's office - would NOT get

out on her own - sat and cried & carried on & argued with us about going " I am

NOT going in there... you CAN'T make me go " Finally, after about 20 minutes

of prying & questioning her, she FINALLY came out with...... " I do NOT want

to be 'the 14 year old who needs therapy' " ......................AHA!!!

For a kid who didn't know anyone in therapy and has no experience to form an

opinion, she had a very definite opinion of what it would look like to other

people. She was scared to death of being labeled that way.

LT

[Guest guest]

good for you - we could all use some - and having the family see how

much you get out of it is a great incentive!!!

Eileen

Quoting Adele Mahan <adelem@...>:

> I have started going on my own appointments with the same therapist and it

> has been great. I decided that there is no way I can help my child,

> discipline and be strong if I don't get help for myself. My mental health is

> falling apart and I just have to get the support I need also. Me going by

> myself is making a huge difference and I am finding I need the full hour or

> even two hours one day to get it all out and get the guidance I need.

>

>

>

> My son has been going around asking people, " So.how does it make you feel? "

> and he even lays on this desk in our house with a pillow and pretends that

> he is in a psychologist office. The funny thing is our therapist has never

> asked him how he feels or had him lay down on a sofa, ha! I think he must

> have seen it somewhere on tv.

>

>

>

> Back to me going by myself, I come home with a big smile on my face and brag

> how wonderful it was to go to therapy. I am hoping that my family will see

> it is a good thing and making positive changes in mom. My son was funny

> yesterday he said to the therapis, " my mom loves going to you for some

> reason! " Hee!

>

>

>

> This process is very interesting isn't it.

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of jtlt@...

> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:28 AM

>

> Subject: Re: First day of school

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 8/30/2006 8:40:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> adelemcarolina (DOT) <mailto:adelem%40carolina.rr.com> rr.com writes:

>

> I do not have OCD and I actually love going to the therapist and talking

> about all my problems, I can't seem to get enough.

>

> DP

>

> That's funny. I feel the same way. One day at the psyc's office, we were

> in a heated discussion about this & that with my daugther - then I made a

> comment about how chaotic things had been & I guess, with my facial

> expression &

> my comment she knew things were getting to me... it was just time for us to

> go & she looked at me and said " no, please continue - what else is going

> on...

> " and I just DUMPED on the poor woman for like 5 minutes straight. Then I

> said " WOW... thanks - that was GREAT ! " and we all laughed.

>

> Therapy's da' bomb! Too bad most kids don't feel the same way. I think

> they are unable to get away from the thought that this means something is

> 'wrong' with them. They don't think like adults think " this is going to help

> me. "

> The first appt we ever had for my daughter when we realized it was OCD, she

> was in tears in the car in front of the therapist's office - would NOT get

> out on her own - sat and cried & carried on & argued with us about going " I

> am

> NOT going in there... you CAN'T make me go " Finally, after about 20 minutes

> of prying & questioning her, she FINALLY came out with...... " I do NOT want

> to be 'the 14 year old who needs therapy' " ......................AHA!!!

> For a kid who didn't know anyone in therapy and has no experience to form an

>

> opinion, she had a very definite opinion of what it would look like to other

>

> people. She was scared to death of being labeled that way.

> LT

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for sharing Carolyn.

My little guy went into an all-day 1st grade, started last week.

It has been quite a change for him, but his teacher says he is handling it quite well. A whole lot different than last year when he threw several fits, rolled around on the floor and threw rice from the sensory table (it pissed him off I guess). They grow up so fast.

Hope Marty feels better!

First day of school

Hi all,

Well the kids got through their first day of school here, and all is well in our world. started 1st grade, big thing for him. He dressed up really cool, dark shirt with skull and crossbones from "Pirates of the Caribbean" on the front. Black pants with kind of a tattered look, bought them that way, and his blond curly hair spiked on top with red spike stuff. Oh yes and black and red Sketchers on his feet.

I was all excited and asked him if his teacher was nice, and he said quite nonchalantly, "Not really." Poor kids have to follow the rules now. He said he had chicken nuggets for lunch, and three recesses, that was fun. He looked beat, and it is hot here, so I made him put his shorts on.

Yesterday I took them to see "Pirates of the Caribbean, Dead Man's Chest," to celebrate their last day of freedom, and I must say it was quite an exciting show, I would highly recommend it, was much better than the first one I though.

And Sierra had a fine day too. She thinks she is going to like Ms. Dopps, I had it wrong, thought it was Ms. Botts. She has some of her old friends back she missed last year, and she said she really liked the teacher. She is the one who I said was a lesbian, but we have decided she will stay in class and make the best of it, let her little light shine for Jesus, and all of that, see how it goes.

And I got to thinking maybe some feminist input wouldn't hurt her anyway, as she does tend to be too submissive to males. The teacher did an exercise on bullying and used Sierra as an example, said if Sierra was bullying , what would do. Everybody laughed, as is a big boy, and Sierra a little girl.

And I got her a new cell phone yesterday, and she is just as happy as if she had won a million $$. We got it free and added to my own phone plan for just $9.99 a month. She has it all figured out already, but they don't let you use them in school, which is fine, but now she can call if she gets in trouble. Like today she forgot to get . Their mom was going to meet them down the street at a church so she wouldn't have to drive through all the traffic in front of the school, and Sierra didn't have so she had go back and do it anyway.

Ooops.

Tomorrow I get the three of them back, have to start getting them ready right away, take them, come back and care for little Lucas, he is just 2. Think we are going to do some bike riding with him in the trailer. I told the others, and they said, "Oh noooooooo you can't leave us."

Oh well, school now for them, no more fun with grandma, well for awhile anyway, it is Lukey's turn now, and I can't wait!

Oh yes, my 42 year old "autistic" brain damged child threw up. left his food going and forgot to connect the pump, so he got three cans at once. Too much, had to take him in the bathroom and change his clothes. (Marty is on a Peg tube for those who don't know.)

Carolyn

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

This morning as I was walking my grandson to his 3rd day of 1st grade, he said, "Oh boy, another zippidy do dah day...." rather sarcastically I thought.

He is a funny kid, is not a little kiddy type boy at all, is into "The Pirates of the Caribbean," told me the whole story walking down the hall way just now, and he knows all the names and details. I took him and his sister to see the latest one the day before school started, and I could barely understand the story myself.

We have been reading National Geographic together for years now, and he knows many things about sharks, bugs, snakes, animals, rocks, volcanoes. I worry they will hold him back too much, think he is more ready for 4th grade, haha.

Well I must run now, have a doctor's appointment scheduled for my disabled son, Marty, brain damaged, autistic, etc. He just needs his physical, blood work for Depokote levels, etc. He is on a food tube and his sodium sometimes gets out of whack, etc. Be nice to be able to talk to the doctor for a few more minutes than usual. They treat me so nice in there, guess they are impressed I have taken care of my son now for 42 years.

Me too! haha

Carolyn in Oregon

First day of school

Hi all,

Well the kids got through their first day of school here, and all is well in our world. started 1st grade, big thing for him. He dressed up really cool, dark shirt with skull and crossbones from "Pirates of the Caribbean" on the front. Black pants with kind of a tattered look, bought them that way, and his blond curly hair spiked on top with red spike stuff. Oh yes and black and red Sketchers on his feet.

I was all excited and asked him if his teacher was nice, and he said quite nonchalantly, "Not really." Poor kids have to follow the rules now. He said he had chicken nuggets for lunch, and three recesses, that was fun. He looked beat, and it is hot here, so I made him put his shorts on.

Yesterday I took them to see "Pirates of the Caribbean, Dead Man's Chest," to celebrate their last day of freedom, and I must say it was quite an exciting show, I would highly recommend it, was much better than the first one I though.

And Sierra had a fine day too. She thinks she is going to like Ms. Dopps, I had it wrong, thought it was Ms. Botts. She has some of her old friends back she missed last year, and she said she really liked the teacher. She is the one who I said was a lesbian, but we have decided she will stay in class and make the best of it, let her little light shine for Jesus, and all of that, see how it goes.

And I got to thinking maybe some feminist input wouldn't hurt her anyway, as she does tend to be too submissive to males. The teacher did an exercise on bullying and used Sierra as an example, said if Sierra was bullying , what would do. Everybody laughed, as is a big boy, and Sierra a little girl.

And I got her a new cell phone yesterday, and she is just as happy as if she had won a million $$. We got it free and added to my own phone plan for just $9.99 a month. She has it all figured out already, but they don't let you use them in school, which is fine, but now she can call if she gets in trouble. Like today she forgot to get . Their mom was going to meet them down the street at a church so she wouldn't have to drive through all the traffic in front of the school, and Sierra didn't have so she had go back and do it anyway.

Ooops.

Tomorrow I get the three of them back, have to start getting them ready right away, take them, come back and care for little Lucas, he is just 2. Think we are going to do some bike riding with him in the trailer. I told the others, and they said, "Oh noooooooo you can't leave us."

Oh well, school now for them, no more fun with grandma, well for awhile anyway, it is Lukey's turn now, and I can't wait!

Oh yes, my 42 year old "autistic" brain damged child threw up. left his food going and forgot to connect the pump, so he got three cans at once. Too much, had to take him in the bathroom and change his clothes. (Marty is on a Peg tube for those who don't know.)

Carolyn

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[Guest guest]

I read

that, Carolyn in Oregon,

42 years. Do you have a hard time listening to people who are worried if their new

drapes match the new couch just right, or push yourself to care about which

exotic vacation spot would be the best this year?

I hope you

are getting as much pleasure as work out of lifeJ

Jill

From:

Autism and Aspergers Treatment [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf Of Carolyn

Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006

11:20 AM

To:

Autism and Aspergers Treatment

Subject: Re:

First day of school

Hi ,

This morning as I was walking my

grandson to his 3rd day of 1st grade, he said, " Oh boy, another

zippidy do dah day.... " rather sarcastically I thought.

He is a funny kid, is not a

little kiddy type boy at all, is into " The Pirates of the Caribbean, " told me the whole story walking down the

hall way just now, and he knows all the names and details. I took him

and his sister to see the latest one the day before school started, and I could

barely understand the story myself.

We have been reading National

Geographic together for years now, and he knows many things about sharks, bugs,

snakes, animals, rocks, volcanoes. I worry they will hold him back too much,

think he is more ready for 4th grade, haha.

Well I must run now, have a doctor's

appointment scheduled for my disabled son, Marty, brain damaged, autistic,

etc. He just needs his physical, blood work for Depokote levels, etc.

He is on a food tube and his sodium sometimes gets out of whack, etc. Be nice

to be able to talk to the doctor for a few more minutes than usual. They

treat me so nice in there, guess they are impressed I have taken care of my son

now for 42 years.

Me too! haha

Carolyn in Oregon

First day of

school

Hi all,

Well the kids got through their first

day of school here, and all is well in our world. started 1st grade, big

thing for him. He dressed up really cool, dark shirt with skull and crossbones

from " Pirates of the Caribbean "

on the front. Black pants with kind of a tattered look, bought them that way,

and his blond curly hair spiked on top with red spike stuff. Oh yes and black

and red Sketchers on his feet.

I was all excited and asked him if his

teacher was nice, and he said quite nonchalantly, " Not really. " Poor

kids have to follow the rules now. He said he had chicken nuggets for lunch,

and three recesses, that was fun. He looked beat, and it is hot here, so I made

him put his shorts on.

Yesterday I took them to see

" Pirates of the Caribbean, Dead Man's

Chest, " to celebrate their last day of freedom, and I must say it was

quite an exciting show, I would highly recommend it, was much better than the

first one I though.

And Sierra had a fine day too. She

thinks she is going to like Ms. Dopps, I had it wrong, thought it was Ms.

Botts. She has some of her old friends back she missed last year, and she said

she really liked the teacher. She is the one who I said was a lesbian, but we

have decided she will stay in class and make the best of it, let her little

light shine for Jesus, and all of that, see how it goes.

And I got to thinking maybe some feminist

input wouldn't hurt her anyway, as she does tend to be too submissive to males.

The teacher did an exercise on bullying and used Sierra as an example, said if

Sierra was bullying , what would do. Everybody laughed, as

is a big boy, and Sierra a little girl.

And I got her a new cell phone

yesterday, and she is just as happy as if she had won a million $$. We got

it free and added to my own phone plan for just $9.99 a month. She has it all

figured out already, but they don't let you use them in school, which is fine,

but now she can call if she gets in trouble. Like today she forgot to get

. Their mom was going to meet them down the street at a church so she

wouldn't have to drive through all the traffic in front of the school,

and Sierra didn't have so she had go back and do it anyway.

Ooops.

Tomorrow I get the three of them back,

have to start getting them ready right away, take them, come back and care for

little Lucas, he is just 2. Think we are going to do some bike riding with him

in the trailer. I told the others, and they said, " Oh noooooooo you can't

leave us. "

Oh well, school now for them, no more

fun with grandma, well for awhile anyway, it is Lukey's turn now, and I

can't wait!

Oh yes, my 42 year old

" autistic " brain damged child threw up. left his food

going and forgot to connect the pump, so he got three cans at once. Too much,

had to take him in the bathroom and change his clothes. (Marty is on a Peg tube

for those who don't know.)

Carolyn

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