Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 , I believe my son's meltdown yesterday was because of lack of food also. He had a Pedisure in the morning, but he rarely eats the snack served (he won't finish anything, so he doesn't have to throw away the wrapper/package/baggie). He ate only 2 carrot sticks for lunch and refused to buy milk or a popsicle because he can't bare to give away his coins (he hoards, by the way, LOL). Then, he ate 3 teddie grams at his babysitter's house (couldn't finish because they had " faces " ...as you may have guessed, he's a vegetarian). Plus, these kids get about 20 minutes to eat anyway that is combined with recess. There's no way my active kid is going to chose food over playtime. HOW DO WE GET THEM TO EAT?! Ugh. Kris > I guess the 1st day blues hit lots of us. Cameron did good the 1st > day - it was only a 1/2 day. Day 2 went " ok " .....today was disaster - > over hot lunch!!!!! I had him take hot lunch yesterday, which was > chicken nuggets.....thought that would be perfect....but they > were " squishy...not crunchy " .....so today was a food meltdown. Pepp. > pizza, another favorite, but he was panicked...if he doesn't like it, > the lunch ladies will make him miss recess until he finishes it (not > true). He also didn't want either of his two cold lunch options - > cereal or sandwich....his options, not mine. I make sure he gets a > big breakfast...but by 3:30 he's starved.... > > in MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Wow....so far Cameron is not to that extreme. He is pretty good once he actually takes a bite. It's getting him to take the bite....it looks different, etc.....then he's the last one eating cuz of all the rituals. I do give him a vitamin in the morning. Maybe I'll try the pedisure. Does your son like it? Is it like chocolate milk? I might have to open it, pour it in a choc. milk container. Oh, the things we do!!! in MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 , That's good that Cameron isn't so extreme in eating. My son actually, only likes the strawberry flavor. And I've always assumed that I can get that down him because he started on it young. But, hopefully Cameron will like it. At least it's about 10 gms of protein in him! Kris P.S. My younger son who definitely likes a good meal (he's skinny too, but will try anything...LOL) hates Pediasure! > Wow....so far Cameron is not to that extreme. He is pretty good once > he actually takes a bite. It's getting him to take the bite....it > looks different, etc.....then he's the last one eating cuz of all the > rituals. I do give him a vitamin in the morning. Maybe I'll try > the pedisure. Does your son like it? Is it like chocolate milk? I > might have to open it, pour it in a choc. milk container. Oh, the > things we do!!! > > in MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Dea, We have had some similar situations at our home. We went the day before school started to the open house, loved the teacher really left with a positive outlook. Went to our therapist shortly after and my son had a major melt down, and went into a rage. My therapist had to hold him down for 20 minutes. My son was yelling he didn’t want to be there and talk about all his deep secrets. He had never been so severe at his office and I can’t help but think it has to do with all the emotions built up about school either. My son has had these rages all summer with us in different stressful situations he had been in. He is on Zoloft right now and am trying to figure out if it is the Zoloft or the OCD causing these fits. Lucky for us, our pediatrician is out of the country for 2 ½ weeks and the other doctors in his office don’t want to do anything with this medication until he gets back. Ugg! I feel like a emotional wreck. Just like you said, you have a good day and then boom with the bad and you never know when it is going to show its ugly face. With school I am so afraid waiting for the next bomb to hit, and praying it won’t be in front of all the kids for ridicule. This is all so hard on mom, isn’t it.? _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of deannalearider Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:13 PM Subject: First day of school Well today was the first day of school and it went well. No meltdowns in the AM and she made it through the whole day and has not refused to go back. The guidance councelor checked on her a few times and got a thumbs up and we had no bathroom issues. I was feeling very positive about the day until we went to therapy in the evening. My daughter was like a different kid. She was beligerent, mean, uncooperative, and so stuborn. She just will not participate in the therapy at all. I had to count her many times and keep putting her in time out in the therapist office. Several times I had to force her into the time out, drag her bodily out from under a table. I am just not strong enough physically or mentally for that. The therapist says that until we get this behavior under control we can not work on erp or cbt. Everything I have read says this type of raging is typical of several OCD. If the kids are raging at you over other stuff than they are taking the focus off the OCD. Also I think she holds it togehter at school and it takes so much out of her that she just melts down later. I know that type of behavior is not acceptable but I can't help but wonder if she did not have such severe ocd if she would not have these rages. She struggels with everything all the time and than looses control. I know I should celebrate that the first day of school went well but every time there is one victory there are 10 new problems. Hope everyone else is having good first days of school. Dea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 In a message dated 8/28/2006 10:14:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, deannalearider@... writes: I was feeling very positive about the day until we went to therapy in the evening. My daughter was like a different kid. Dea I read posts like this & think of how my dd is during therapy appts. It makes me wonder if some of this isn't due to the fact that being at the therapist's office forces these kids to deal with & accept the fact that they have OCD, and part of the problem is that they don't want to deal with it or accept the fact that they have it. While my daughter doesn't rage during her appts, she definitely acts differently. It's difficult for her to admit much of anything in front of the therapist, while at home she'll talk about it. I know my dd HATES to go to therapy. It's not that the doctor isn't nice, or that she doesn't like the doctor, it's that she completely resists any confirmation that she has OCD outside of the family. Every time we have an appt, we go through the same arguments, " WHY do I have to go? " " I'm fine now - I can handle this without a doctor " (which she can NOT.) She is very confused because things are much easier for her now that she's on meds & they work. She wants to slowly decrease the Prozac because she doesn't think she needs it anymore because things are easy right now. I try to explain to her that it's only easy BECAUSE of the medication & it's NOT her doing it. She just doesn't understand. I told her that IF she goes to the therapist & participates in the CBT & ERP, we will talk to the psychiatrist at our next appt to see if we could try a reduction in meds & how she does with that -- but ONLY if she works with the therapy to handle OCD on her own -- which she hasn't done yet. First of all - we've only had one appt with the psychologist - she hasn't " learned " to do anything yet. I don't know if that was the right promise to make or not (reducing meds after she learns some therapy), but I'm tired of the arguments before & after every appt. I'm also scared that if we start messing with her medication level, something will change & maybe, if reducing it causes problems, then increasing it might not work the next time & where will we be then??? Jumping from med combo to med combo experiencing problems like so many other people? I don't want that for her (or us). She resists & fights against everything with those appts, although she will sit calmly & speak politely to the therapist -- it's not all truthful. She doesn't admit to everything in the sessions - of course, if she DID, she would then have to talk about it & start doing something about it. And she's not ok with that. Anyway, just my thoughts on that. LT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 In a message dated 8/29/2006 10:58:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, g_mart1971@... writes: My ds states we just need to accept that this is the way he is and his life will consist of living within the confines of our home and doing nothing but being zombied out in front of the TV or computer. g_mart -- UGH!!! That is the saddest thing I've EVER heard. Sweet thing - he sounds so filled with hopelessness. Would he consider talking to other kids with OCD? Has he read anything about it (his age level)? (sorry if you covered any of this in previous posts... I'm woefully behind & can't read every one on the board any more). It sounds like he really needs to talk to some other kids who have had some success handling OCD so he realizes he has a chance at that & it doesn't mean he has to live an isolated life. Don't let him give up on trying. LT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 What do you do about the rages? Our therapist does not give the time outs, she wants us to do it to establish control. I timed her out and she just kept coming back for more. If we did not have the ocd would she rage so much is what I keep asking myself. Its like which came first the chicken or the egg. Fix the ocd, fix the behavior, which do we do first. Right now nothing is helping. I agree with UGG Dea - In , " Adele Mahan " <adelem@...> wrote: > > Dea, > > We have had some similar situations at our home. We went the day before > school started to the open house, loved the teacher really left with a > positive outlook. Went to our therapist shortly after and my son had a major > melt down, and went into a rage. My therapist had to hold him down for 20 > minutes. My son was yelling he didn't want to be there and talk about all > his deep secrets. He had never been so severe at his office and I can't help > but think it has to do with all the emotions built up about school either. > My son has had these rages all summer with us in different stressful > situations he had been in. He is on Zoloft right now and am trying to figure > out if it is the Zoloft or the OCD causing these fits. Lucky for us, our > pediatrician is out of the country for 2 ½ weeks and the other doctors in > his office don't want to do anything with this medication until he gets > back. Ugg! > > > > I feel like a emotional wreck. Just like you said, you have a good day and > then boom with the bad and you never know when it is going to show its ugly > face. With school I am so afraid waiting for the next bomb to hit, and > praying it won't be in front of all the kids for ridicule. This is all so > hard on mom, isn't it.? > > > > _____ > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of deannalearider > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:13 PM > > Subject: First day of school > > > > Well today was the first day of school and it went well. No > meltdowns in the AM and she made it through the whole day and has not > refused to go back. The guidance councelor checked on her a few > times and got a thumbs up and we had no bathroom issues. I was > feeling very positive about the day until we went to therapy in the > evening. My daughter was like a different kid. She was beligerent, > mean, uncooperative, and so stuborn. She just will not participate > in the therapy at all. I had to count her many times and keep > putting her in time out in the therapist office. Several times I had > to force her into the time out, drag her bodily out from under a > table. I am just not strong enough physically or mentally for that. > The therapist says that until we get this behavior under control we > can not work on erp or cbt. Everything I have read says this type of > raging is typical of several OCD. If the kids are raging at you over > other stuff than they are taking the focus off the OCD. Also I think > she holds it togehter at school and it takes so much out of her that > she just melts down later. I know that type of behavior is not > acceptable but I can't help but wonder if she did not have such > severe ocd if she would not have these rages. She struggels with > everything all the time and than looses control. I know I should > celebrate that the first day of school went well but every time there > is one victory there are 10 new problems. > Hope everyone else is having good first days of school. > Dea > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 This sounds familiar to me. My ds states the doctors haven't been able to help him thus far and the meds don't help either. He argues every time we have to go to the doc, in fact the doc says we should lay off therapy until the meds kick in more. My ds states we just need to accept that this is the way he is and his life will consist of living within the confines of our home and doing nothing but being zombied out in front of the TV or computer. It makes me want to take it all away but then he has to deal with his thoughts. jtlt@... wrote: In a message dated 8/28/2006 10:14:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, deannalearider@... writes: I was feeling very positive about the day until we went to therapy in the evening. My daughter was like a different kid. Dea I read posts like this & think of how my dd is during therapy appts. It makes me wonder if some of this isn't due to the fact that being at the therapist's office forces these kids to deal with & accept the fact that they have OCD, and part of the problem is that they don't want to deal with it or accept the fact that they have it. While my daughter doesn't rage during her appts, she definitely acts differently. It's difficult for her to admit much of anything in front of the therapist, while at home she'll talk about it. I know my dd HATES to go to therapy. It's not that the doctor isn't nice, or that she doesn't like the doctor, it's that she completely resists any confirmation that she has OCD outside of the family. Every time we have an appt, we go through the same arguments, " WHY do I have to go? " " I'm fine now - I can handle this without a doctor " (which she can NOT.) She is very confused because things are much easier for her now that she's on meds & they work. She wants to slowly decrease the Prozac because she doesn't think she needs it anymore because things are easy right now. I try to explain to her that it's only easy BECAUSE of the medication & it's NOT her doing it. She just doesn't understand. I told her that IF she goes to the therapist & participates in the CBT & ERP, we will talk to the psychiatrist at our next appt to see if we could try a reduction in meds & how she does with that -- but ONLY if she works with the therapy to handle OCD on her own -- which she hasn't done yet. First of all - we've only had one appt with the psychologist - she hasn't " learned " to do anything yet. I don't know if that was the right promise to make or not (reducing meds after she learns some therapy), but I'm tired of the arguments before & after every appt. I'm also scared that if we start messing with her medication level, something will change & maybe, if reducing it causes problems, then increasing it might not work the next time & where will we be then??? Jumping from med combo to med combo experiencing problems like so many other people? I don't want that for her (or us). She resists & fights against everything with those appts, although she will sit calmly & speak politely to the therapist -- it's not all truthful. She doesn't admit to everything in the sessions - of course, if she DID, she would then have to talk about it & start doing something about it. And she's not ok with that. Anyway, just my thoughts on that. LT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 LT, I agree with all that you said. My son said one time, " going to Dr. S. is like a ugly person going to talk about how ugly they are " . Then this last time he said, " I hate going and talking about all my secrets, its not anyones business " Not until an emergency comes up and then he sure floods mom with his secrets, ha! Everytime I try to talk to my son about it he just doesn't want to talk. I can't figure out why the pull is so strong not to talk about it. The only thing I can think of is that perfectionist comes with this and therefore if you feel you need to be perfect you wouldn't want to talk about how not perfect you are. My husband with OCD is the same way. I do not have OCD and I actually love going to the therapist and talking about all my problems, I can't seem to get enough. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of jtlt@... Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: Re: First day of school In a message dated 8/28/2006 10:14:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, deannalearider@ <mailto:deannalearider%40> writes: I was feeling very positive about the day until we went to therapy in the evening. My daughter was like a different kid. Dea I read posts like this & think of how my dd is during therapy appts. It makes me wonder if some of this isn't due to the fact that being at the therapist's office forces these kids to deal with & accept the fact that they have OCD, and part of the problem is that they don't want to deal with it or accept the fact that they have it. While my daughter doesn't rage during her appts, she definitely acts differently. It's difficult for her to admit much of anything in front of the therapist, while at home she'll talk about it. I know my dd HATES to go to therapy. It's not that the doctor isn't nice, or that she doesn't like the doctor, it's that she completely resists any confirmation that she has OCD outside of the family. Every time we have an appt, we go through the same arguments, " WHY do I have to go? " " I'm fine now - I can handle this without a doctor " (which she can NOT.) She is very confused because things are much easier for her now that she's on meds & they work. She wants to slowly decrease the Prozac because she doesn't think she needs it anymore because things are easy right now. I try to explain to her that it's only easy BECAUSE of the medication & it's NOT her doing it. She just doesn't understand. I told her that IF she goes to the therapist & participates in the CBT & ERP, we will talk to the psychiatrist at our next appt to see if we could try a reduction in meds & how she does with that -- but ONLY if she works with the therapy to handle OCD on her own -- which she hasn't done yet. First of all - we've only had one appt with the psychologist - she hasn't " learned " to do anything yet. I don't know if that was the right promise to make or not (reducing meds after she learns some therapy), but I'm tired of the arguments before & after every appt. I'm also scared that if we start messing with her medication level, something will change & maybe, if reducing it causes problems, then increasing it might not work the next time & where will we be then??? Jumping from med combo to med combo experiencing problems like so many other people? I don't want that for her (or us). She resists & fights against everything with those appts, although she will sit calmly & speak politely to the therapist -- it's not all truthful. She doesn't admit to everything in the sessions - of course, if she DID, she would then have to talk about it & start doing something about it. And she's not ok with that. Anyway, just my thoughts on that. LT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 as frustrated as I get I am not giving up. I can't stand the thought of her growing into adult and not being able to do even the simpiliest thing. We drag her to the appointments as painful as it is because we have to. Do not give up Dea > In a message dated 8/28/2006 10:14:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > deannalearider@... writes: > > I was > feeling very positive about the day until we went to therapy in the > evening. My daughter was like a different kid. > > Dea > > I read posts like this & think of how my dd is during therapy appts. It > makes me wonder if some of this isn't due to the fact that being at the > therapist's office forces these kids to deal with & accept the fact that they have > OCD, and part of the problem is that they don't want to deal with it or accept > the fact that they have it. > > While my daughter doesn't rage during her appts, she definitely acts > differently. It's difficult for her to admit much of anything in front of the > therapist, while at home she'll talk about it. I know my dd HATES to go to > therapy. It's not that the doctor isn't nice, or that she doesn't like the doctor, > it's that she completely resists any confirmation that she has OCD outside > of the family. > > Every time we have an appt, we go through the same arguments, " WHY do I have > to go? " " I'm fine now - I can handle this without a doctor " (which she can > NOT.) She is very confused because things are much easier for her now that > she's on meds & they work. She wants to slowly decrease the Prozac because > she doesn't think she needs it anymore because things are easy right now. I > try to explain to her that it's only easy BECAUSE of the medication & it's NOT > her doing it. She just doesn't understand. > > I told her that IF she goes to the therapist & participates in the CBT & > ERP, we will talk to the psychiatrist at our next appt to see if we could try a > reduction in meds & how she does with that -- but ONLY if she works with the > therapy to handle OCD on her own -- which she hasn't done yet. First of all > - we've only had one appt with the psychologist - she hasn't " learned " to do > anything yet. I don't know if that was the right promise to make or not > (reducing meds after she learns some therapy), but I'm tired of the arguments > before & after every appt. I'm also scared that if we start messing with her > medication level, something will change & maybe, if reducing it causes > problems, then increasing it might not work the next time & where will we be then??? > Jumping from med combo to med combo experiencing problems like so many other > people? I don't want that for her (or us). > > She resists & fights against everything with those appts, although she will > sit calmly & speak politely to the therapist -- it's not all truthful. She > doesn't admit to everything in the sessions - of course, if she DID, she would > then have to talk about it & start doing something about it. And she's not > ok with that. > > Anyway, just my thoughts on that. > LT > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 I asked my therapist how long should I let me son play gameboy, computer, tv, etc. because I was so concerned about the time he is spending doing these things. His comment was that these things were helping him cope, that he recommended me make him get off of them every hour and take a break for awhile from it. He recommended me telling my son after he does.... (for me) then you can have a hour on gameboy, etc, My son states that he doesn't need to change or get help. My therapist comment to that is okay that is fine if you want to live this way but don't expect your mom to do the same. His advice to me is to try as much as possible to keep on with life as usual. I think it is easy for them to not get help for themselves if we are willing to get drawn into this with them. My son is 9 and I will leave him home for short periods of time. I am trying to go do little things to show him if he chooses not to work on this then he might spend some time alone. I have noticed at times when I give up that control to him, he is a little more eager to go with me the next time. Hope this helps some, but know I totally understand how you feel and am having the same struggle with my son.I really think this is the hardest part. I am very much a go getter and a extravert and the isolation has been killing me. DP _____ * My ds states we just need to accept that this is the way he is and his life will consist of living within the confines of our home and doing nothing but being zombied out in front of the TV or computer. Anxiety <gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJhNjFtdmpjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzIEZ 3JwSWQDOTA0ODUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNjAwOTg0MjkwBHNlYwNzbG1vZARzdGltZQMxMTU2ODY4ODY1? t=ms & k=Anxiety+disorder+treatment & w1=Anxiety+disorder+panic+attack & w2=Anxiet y+disorder+treatment & w3=Social+anxiety+disorder & w4=Anxiety+disorder+help & w5= Social+anxiety+disorder+symptoms & c=5 & s=161 & g=2 & .sig=g4m9olpxBMr-Igy-uRlyOg> disorder treatment * Social <gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJhdjk0MG84BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzMEZ 3JwSWQDOTA0ODUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNjAwOTg0MjkwBHNlYwNzbG1vZARzdGltZQMxMTU2ODY4ODY1? t=ms & k=Social+anxiety+disorder & w1=Anxiety+disorder+panic+attack & w2=Anxiety+d isorder+treatment & w3=Social+anxiety+disorder & w4=Anxiety+disorder+help & w5=Soc ial+anxiety+disorder+symptoms & c=5 & s=161 & g=2 & .sig=jAXCJV20ASEJVMiJv4zr0Q> anxiety disorder * Anxiety <gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJhdXM3NDc1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzQEZ 3JwSWQDOTA0ODUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNjAwOTg0MjkwBHNlYwNzbG1vZARzdGltZQMxMTU2ODY4ODY1? t=ms & k=Anxiety+disorder+help & w1=Anxiety+disorder+panic+attack & w2=Anxiety+dis order+treatment & w3=Social+anxiety+disorder & w4=Anxiety+disorder+help & w5=Socia l+anxiety+disorder+symptoms & c=5 & s=161 & g=2 & .sig=cCotafpeD-HIRuBaWZCDaQ> disorder help * Social <gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJhYWEyOXRyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzUEZ 3JwSWQDOTA0ODUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNjAwOTg0MjkwBHNlYwNzbG1vZARzdGltZQMxMTU2ODY4ODY1? t=ms & k=Social+anxiety+disorder+symptoms & w1=Anxiety+disorder+panic+attack & w2= Anxiety+disorder+treatment & w3=Social+anxiety+disorder & w4=Anxiety+disorder+he lp & w5=Social+anxiety+disorder+symptoms & c=5 & s=161 & g=2 & .sig=Xtbaum_31emoROmwe0 zjxQ> anxiety disorder symptoms Get Discounts <http://us.ard./SIG=12k121vc9/M=493064.8985651.9760771.8674578/D=gr phealth/S=1705984290:NC/Y=/EXP=1156876065/A=3848650/R=0/SIG=13icunco9/* http:/shopping./;_ylc=X3oDMTFkdDdzdmF2BF9TAzk1OTQ5NjM2BHNlYwNpbnQtZ 3JvdXBzBHNsawN5c2hvcHBpbmc3LTE0Yw--> Shopping Compare prices and find great deals. TV Staying <http://us.ard./SIG=12k8trsu8/M=493064.8985665.9759897.8674578/D=gr phealth/S=1705984290:NC/Y=/EXP=1156876065/A=3848443/R=0/SIG=10sq6u3c2/* http:/tv./picks/> in tonight? Check Daily Picks & see what to watch. Start <start;_ylc=X3oDMTJtcW1iYXBlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzME Z3JwSWQDOTA0ODUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNjAwOTg0MjkwBHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDZ3JvdXBzMgRzdGlt ZQMxMTU2ODY4ODYy> a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. .. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714 & grpId=90485 & grpspId=1600984290 & msgId=5 1902 & stime=1156868863 & nc1=3848650 & nc2=3848443 & nc3=3> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Hi Dea, Your daughter sounds very much like mine. She has never been a behavioral problem in school, but the second her foot hits the door watch out! She saves all the raging for me.She holds it together all day at school. Occasionally she will throw a rage with her dad, or another relative, or in a store,doctors office, etc, but normally it's for me. My daughter also has bipolar disorder, but I have always felt deep down that the actual rages were caused by her severe ocd issues. Anyway, Smile for today! Your daughter had a good first day at school!!!!! My kids start tomorrow. Hugs Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Yes, don't give up!!!! My daughter was soooo bad from the time she was 3, I thought I couldn't handle another day. She had spent 2 years in and out of hospitals. Dozens of med combinations and therapists.I should say, refusing therapy. Now she is a different kid. I still do at times have extreme difficulty with her, but she has come a very very long way. You would never know she were the same kid. As frustrating as it is, they usually do better with a little maturity. hugs Judy mom to Brittany-11-NT -going into 6th gr-high honor student -Brittany's twin-3-29-95--4-7-95 -9-bp,ocd,multiple other anxiety disorders,odd,cyclical vomiting syndrome, 75mg zoloft,.1mg clonidine,5mg abilify, going into reg 5th gr class-504plan iel 4-ocd,multiple anxiety disorders, speech articulation problem-going into kindergarten-speech therapy, IEP , 12.5mg zoloft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Good luck tommorrow. Will be thinking about you. Aren't we lucky that all of the joy is saved for mom. dea -- In , jchabot <jchabot@...> wrote: > > Hi Dea, > Your daughter sounds very much like mine. She has never been a behavioral problem in school, but the second her foot hits the door watch out! She saves all the raging for me.She holds it together all day at school. Occasionally she will throw a rage with her dad, or another relative, or in a store,doctors office, etc, but normally it's for me. > My daughter also has bipolar disorder, but I have always felt deep down that the actual rages were caused by her severe ocd issues. > > Anyway, Smile for today! Your daughter had a good first day at school!!!!! My kids start tomorrow. > Hugs > Judy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 I know what you mean. My son did the same thing. This has been worst several weeks that we have had in a LONG TIME. I think they are SO STRESSED out from the change and the anxiety from starting school that they hold it in ALL DAY and when they get to a safe place ,such as home or Dr. office, they let it ALL OUT. Sheree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Believe me, we won't let him give up. We're exhausting ourselves trying everything. I would love for him to meet another kid around his age that has similar problems---or someone who's started feeling better and can give him some hope. How do I find someone? I also would love to find some good reading material on his level. Any suggestions? jtlt@... wrote: In a message dated 8/29/2006 10:58:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, g_mart1971@... writes: My ds states we just need to accept that this is the way he is and his life will consist of living within the confines of our home and doing nothing but being zombied out in front of the TV or computer. g_mart -- UGH!!! That is the saddest thing I've EVER heard. Sweet thing - he sounds so filled with hopelessness. Would he consider talking to other kids with OCD? Has he read anything about it (his age level)? (sorry if you covered any of this in previous posts... I'm woefully behind & can't read every one on the board any more). It sounds like he really needs to talk to some other kids who have had some success handling OCD so he realizes he has a chance at that & it doesn't mean he has to live an isolated life. Don't let him give up on trying. LT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 At the present time this isn't an issue for me, as my son (aspergers/ocd) is in a day unit of a residential school, and they do a great job of dealing with a wide variety of behaviors. The acedemics stink, but the work with the behaviors is great. Now in the past with our regular school district life was hell. I always seemed that no matter how much explanation was given on this disorder there was nothing that sunk in. In 5th grade life was wonderful as his teacher had life experinece with a sib with OCD and understood how to work with it. 6th grade lead to the out of district placement. And I will assert till my dying day that the issue was more with a teacher who didn't understand and refused to listen or read etc. My son is a PANDAS kid and he got a bad sinus infection. One thing that had been an issue with him was shoe placement at gym. On one day right at the begining of his infection the gym was in disarray for a concert that evening. Now it seemed to me that if this was going to cause a difficulty he couldn't handle then for that particular day he could have been kept back from gym. Instead he was taken and fought with about placing his shoes in a different area. When he wouldn't comply he was then pulled from the gym. Where he was hitting at the person who was pulling him down the hall. When I was called too school, the first thing out of the teachers mouth was, we have to assume this is your fault as he'd been doing so well. I also understand the issues of holding in there anxiety and letting loose at home. With the same teacher, I had many calls where she was so concerned with the bus drivers safety that she wouldn't allow him to ride home on the bus. But, not this day, she thought everything was fine. He had won the National Geographic Geo Bee for his school. Such a wonderful proud moment. From there the kids test for state etc. They gave him the test the next day without any prep time. And when they were notified he didn't make it they felt he was fine with the news. He entered our house like a dragon, kicking, hitting, crying and head banging. Its always so difficult, so as this school year begins everyone is in my heart and prayers. --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 In a message dated 8/30/2006 8:40:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, adelem@... writes: I do not have OCD and I actually love going to the therapist and talking about all my problems, I can't seem to get enough. DP That's funny. I feel the same way. One day at the psyc's office, we were in a heated discussion about this & that with my daugther - then I made a comment about how chaotic things had been & I guess, with my facial expression & my comment she knew things were getting to me... it was just time for us to go & she looked at me and said " no, please continue - what else is going on... " and I just DUMPED on the poor woman for like 5 minutes straight. Then I said " WOW... thanks - that was GREAT ! " and we all laughed. Therapy's da' bomb! Too bad most kids don't feel the same way. I think they are unable to get away from the thought that this means something is 'wrong' with them. They don't think like adults think " this is going to help me. " The first appt we ever had for my daughter when we realized it was OCD, she was in tears in the car in front of the therapist's office - would NOT get out on her own - sat and cried & carried on & argued with us about going " I am NOT going in there... you CAN'T make me go " Finally, after about 20 minutes of prying & questioning her, she FINALLY came out with...... " I do NOT want to be 'the 14 year old who needs therapy' " ......................AHA!!! For a kid who didn't know anyone in therapy and has no experience to form an opinion, she had a very definite opinion of what it would look like to other people. She was scared to death of being labeled that way. LT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 I have started going on my own appointments with the same therapist and it has been great. I decided that there is no way I can help my child, discipline and be strong if I don't get help for myself. My mental health is falling apart and I just have to get the support I need also. Me going by myself is making a huge difference and I am finding I need the full hour or even two hours one day to get it all out and get the guidance I need. My son has been going around asking people, " So.how does it make you feel? " and he even lays on this desk in our house with a pillow and pretends that he is in a psychologist office. The funny thing is our therapist has never asked him how he feels or had him lay down on a sofa, ha! I think he must have seen it somewhere on tv. Back to me going by myself, I come home with a big smile on my face and brag how wonderful it was to go to therapy. I am hoping that my family will see it is a good thing and making positive changes in mom. My son was funny yesterday he said to the therapis, " my mom loves going to you for some reason! " Hee! This process is very interesting isn't it. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of jtlt@... Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: First day of school In a message dated 8/30/2006 8:40:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, adelemcarolina (DOT) <mailto:adelem%40carolina.rr.com> rr.com writes: I do not have OCD and I actually love going to the therapist and talking about all my problems, I can't seem to get enough. DP That's funny. I feel the same way. One day at the psyc's office, we were in a heated discussion about this & that with my daugther - then I made a comment about how chaotic things had been & I guess, with my facial expression & my comment she knew things were getting to me... it was just time for us to go & she looked at me and said " no, please continue - what else is going on... " and I just DUMPED on the poor woman for like 5 minutes straight. Then I said " WOW... thanks - that was GREAT ! " and we all laughed. Therapy's da' bomb! Too bad most kids don't feel the same way. I think they are unable to get away from the thought that this means something is 'wrong' with them. They don't think like adults think " this is going to help me. " The first appt we ever had for my daughter when we realized it was OCD, she was in tears in the car in front of the therapist's office - would NOT get out on her own - sat and cried & carried on & argued with us about going " I am NOT going in there... you CAN'T make me go " Finally, after about 20 minutes of prying & questioning her, she FINALLY came out with...... " I do NOT want to be 'the 14 year old who needs therapy' " ......................AHA!!! For a kid who didn't know anyone in therapy and has no experience to form an opinion, she had a very definite opinion of what it would look like to other people. She was scared to death of being labeled that way. LT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 I have started going on my own appointments with the same therapist and it has been great. I decided that there is no way I can help my child, discipline and be strong if I don't get help for myself. My mental health is falling apart and I just have to get the support I need also. Me going by myself is making a huge difference and I am finding I need the full hour or even two hours one day to get it all out and get the guidance I need. My son has been going around asking people, " So.how does it make you feel? " and he even lays on this desk in our house with a pillow and pretends that he is in a psychologist office. The funny thing is our therapist has never asked him how he feels or had him lay down on a sofa, ha! I think he must have seen it somewhere on tv. Back to me going by myself, I come home with a big smile on my face and brag how wonderful it was to go to therapy. I am hoping that my family will see it is a good thing and making positive changes in mom. My son was funny yesterday he said to the therapis, " my mom loves going to you for some reason! " Hee! This process is very interesting isn't it. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of jtlt@... Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: First day of school In a message dated 8/30/2006 8:40:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, adelemcarolina (DOT) <mailto:adelem%40carolina.rr.com> rr.com writes: I do not have OCD and I actually love going to the therapist and talking about all my problems, I can't seem to get enough. DP That's funny. I feel the same way. One day at the psyc's office, we were in a heated discussion about this & that with my daugther - then I made a comment about how chaotic things had been & I guess, with my facial expression & my comment she knew things were getting to me... it was just time for us to go & she looked at me and said " no, please continue - what else is going on... " and I just DUMPED on the poor woman for like 5 minutes straight. Then I said " WOW... thanks - that was GREAT ! " and we all laughed. Therapy's da' bomb! Too bad most kids don't feel the same way. I think they are unable to get away from the thought that this means something is 'wrong' with them. They don't think like adults think " this is going to help me. " The first appt we ever had for my daughter when we realized it was OCD, she was in tears in the car in front of the therapist's office - would NOT get out on her own - sat and cried & carried on & argued with us about going " I am NOT going in there... you CAN'T make me go " Finally, after about 20 minutes of prying & questioning her, she FINALLY came out with...... " I do NOT want to be 'the 14 year old who needs therapy' " ......................AHA!!! For a kid who didn't know anyone in therapy and has no experience to form an opinion, she had a very definite opinion of what it would look like to other people. She was scared to death of being labeled that way. LT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 i know i get a lot out of going, too! sharon Re: First day of school In a message dated 8/30/2006 8:40:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, adelem@... writes: I do not have OCD and I actually love going to the therapist and talking about all my problems, I can't seem to get enough. DP That's funny. I feel the same way. One day at the psyc's office, we were in a heated discussion about this & that with my daugther - then I made a comment about how chaotic things had been & I guess, with my facial expression & my comment she knew things were getting to me... it was just time for us to go & she looked at me and said " no, please continue - what else is going on... " and I just DUMPED on the poor woman for like 5 minutes straight. Then I said " WOW... thanks - that was GREAT ! " and we all laughed. Therapy's da' bomb! Too bad most kids don't feel the same way. I think they are unable to get away from the thought that this means something is 'wrong' with them. They don't think like adults think " this is going to help me. " The first appt we ever had for my daughter when we realized it was OCD, she was in tears in the car in front of the therapist's office - would NOT get out on her own - sat and cried & carried on & argued with us about going " I am NOT going in there... you CAN'T make me go " Finally, after about 20 minutes of prying & questioning her, she FINALLY came out with...... " I do NOT want to be 'the 14 year old who needs therapy' " ......................AHA!!! For a kid who didn't know anyone in therapy and has no experience to form an opinion, she had a very definite opinion of what it would look like to other people. She was scared to death of being labeled that way. LT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 good for you - we could all use some - and having the family see how much you get out of it is a great incentive!!! Eileen Quoting Adele Mahan <adelem@...>: > I have started going on my own appointments with the same therapist and it > has been great. I decided that there is no way I can help my child, > discipline and be strong if I don't get help for myself. My mental health is > falling apart and I just have to get the support I need also. Me going by > myself is making a huge difference and I am finding I need the full hour or > even two hours one day to get it all out and get the guidance I need. > > > > My son has been going around asking people, " So.how does it make you feel? " > and he even lays on this desk in our house with a pillow and pretends that > he is in a psychologist office. The funny thing is our therapist has never > asked him how he feels or had him lay down on a sofa, ha! I think he must > have seen it somewhere on tv. > > > > Back to me going by myself, I come home with a big smile on my face and brag > how wonderful it was to go to therapy. I am hoping that my family will see > it is a good thing and making positive changes in mom. My son was funny > yesterday he said to the therapis, " my mom loves going to you for some > reason! " Hee! > > > > This process is very interesting isn't it. > > > > > > _____ > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of jtlt@... > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:28 AM > > Subject: Re: First day of school > > > > > In a message dated 8/30/2006 8:40:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > adelemcarolina (DOT) <mailto:adelem%40carolina.rr.com> rr.com writes: > > I do not have OCD and I actually love going to the therapist and talking > about all my problems, I can't seem to get enough. > > DP > > That's funny. I feel the same way. One day at the psyc's office, we were > in a heated discussion about this & that with my daugther - then I made a > comment about how chaotic things had been & I guess, with my facial > expression & > my comment she knew things were getting to me... it was just time for us to > go & she looked at me and said " no, please continue - what else is going > on... > " and I just DUMPED on the poor woman for like 5 minutes straight. Then I > said " WOW... thanks - that was GREAT ! " and we all laughed. > > Therapy's da' bomb! Too bad most kids don't feel the same way. I think > they are unable to get away from the thought that this means something is > 'wrong' with them. They don't think like adults think " this is going to help > me. " > The first appt we ever had for my daughter when we realized it was OCD, she > was in tears in the car in front of the therapist's office - would NOT get > out on her own - sat and cried & carried on & argued with us about going " I > am > NOT going in there... you CAN'T make me go " Finally, after about 20 minutes > of prying & questioning her, she FINALLY came out with...... " I do NOT want > to be 'the 14 year old who needs therapy' " ......................AHA!!! > For a kid who didn't know anyone in therapy and has no experience to form an > > opinion, she had a very definite opinion of what it would look like to other > > people. She was scared to death of being labeled that way. > LT > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Thank you for sharing Carolyn. My little guy went into an all-day 1st grade, started last week. It has been quite a change for him, but his teacher says he is handling it quite well. A whole lot different than last year when he threw several fits, rolled around on the floor and threw rice from the sensory table (it pissed him off I guess). They grow up so fast. Hope Marty feels better! First day of school Hi all, Well the kids got through their first day of school here, and all is well in our world. started 1st grade, big thing for him. He dressed up really cool, dark shirt with skull and crossbones from "Pirates of the Caribbean" on the front. Black pants with kind of a tattered look, bought them that way, and his blond curly hair spiked on top with red spike stuff. Oh yes and black and red Sketchers on his feet. I was all excited and asked him if his teacher was nice, and he said quite nonchalantly, "Not really." Poor kids have to follow the rules now. He said he had chicken nuggets for lunch, and three recesses, that was fun. He looked beat, and it is hot here, so I made him put his shorts on. Yesterday I took them to see "Pirates of the Caribbean, Dead Man's Chest," to celebrate their last day of freedom, and I must say it was quite an exciting show, I would highly recommend it, was much better than the first one I though. And Sierra had a fine day too. She thinks she is going to like Ms. Dopps, I had it wrong, thought it was Ms. Botts. She has some of her old friends back she missed last year, and she said she really liked the teacher. She is the one who I said was a lesbian, but we have decided she will stay in class and make the best of it, let her little light shine for Jesus, and all of that, see how it goes. And I got to thinking maybe some feminist input wouldn't hurt her anyway, as she does tend to be too submissive to males. The teacher did an exercise on bullying and used Sierra as an example, said if Sierra was bullying , what would do. Everybody laughed, as is a big boy, and Sierra a little girl. And I got her a new cell phone yesterday, and she is just as happy as if she had won a million $$. We got it free and added to my own phone plan for just $9.99 a month. She has it all figured out already, but they don't let you use them in school, which is fine, but now she can call if she gets in trouble. Like today she forgot to get . Their mom was going to meet them down the street at a church so she wouldn't have to drive through all the traffic in front of the school, and Sierra didn't have so she had go back and do it anyway. Ooops. Tomorrow I get the three of them back, have to start getting them ready right away, take them, come back and care for little Lucas, he is just 2. Think we are going to do some bike riding with him in the trailer. I told the others, and they said, "Oh noooooooo you can't leave us." Oh well, school now for them, no more fun with grandma, well for awhile anyway, it is Lukey's turn now, and I can't wait! Oh yes, my 42 year old "autistic" brain damged child threw up. left his food going and forgot to connect the pump, so he got three cans at once. Too much, had to take him in the bathroom and change his clothes. (Marty is on a Peg tube for those who don't know.) Carolyn No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Hi , This morning as I was walking my grandson to his 3rd day of 1st grade, he said, "Oh boy, another zippidy do dah day...." rather sarcastically I thought. He is a funny kid, is not a little kiddy type boy at all, is into "The Pirates of the Caribbean," told me the whole story walking down the hall way just now, and he knows all the names and details. I took him and his sister to see the latest one the day before school started, and I could barely understand the story myself. We have been reading National Geographic together for years now, and he knows many things about sharks, bugs, snakes, animals, rocks, volcanoes. I worry they will hold him back too much, think he is more ready for 4th grade, haha. Well I must run now, have a doctor's appointment scheduled for my disabled son, Marty, brain damaged, autistic, etc. He just needs his physical, blood work for Depokote levels, etc. He is on a food tube and his sodium sometimes gets out of whack, etc. Be nice to be able to talk to the doctor for a few more minutes than usual. They treat me so nice in there, guess they are impressed I have taken care of my son now for 42 years. Me too! haha Carolyn in Oregon First day of school Hi all, Well the kids got through their first day of school here, and all is well in our world. started 1st grade, big thing for him. He dressed up really cool, dark shirt with skull and crossbones from "Pirates of the Caribbean" on the front. Black pants with kind of a tattered look, bought them that way, and his blond curly hair spiked on top with red spike stuff. Oh yes and black and red Sketchers on his feet. I was all excited and asked him if his teacher was nice, and he said quite nonchalantly, "Not really." Poor kids have to follow the rules now. He said he had chicken nuggets for lunch, and three recesses, that was fun. He looked beat, and it is hot here, so I made him put his shorts on. Yesterday I took them to see "Pirates of the Caribbean, Dead Man's Chest," to celebrate their last day of freedom, and I must say it was quite an exciting show, I would highly recommend it, was much better than the first one I though. And Sierra had a fine day too. She thinks she is going to like Ms. Dopps, I had it wrong, thought it was Ms. Botts. She has some of her old friends back she missed last year, and she said she really liked the teacher. She is the one who I said was a lesbian, but we have decided she will stay in class and make the best of it, let her little light shine for Jesus, and all of that, see how it goes. And I got to thinking maybe some feminist input wouldn't hurt her anyway, as she does tend to be too submissive to males. The teacher did an exercise on bullying and used Sierra as an example, said if Sierra was bullying , what would do. Everybody laughed, as is a big boy, and Sierra a little girl. And I got her a new cell phone yesterday, and she is just as happy as if she had won a million $$. We got it free and added to my own phone plan for just $9.99 a month. She has it all figured out already, but they don't let you use them in school, which is fine, but now she can call if she gets in trouble. Like today she forgot to get . Their mom was going to meet them down the street at a church so she wouldn't have to drive through all the traffic in front of the school, and Sierra didn't have so she had go back and do it anyway. Ooops. Tomorrow I get the three of them back, have to start getting them ready right away, take them, come back and care for little Lucas, he is just 2. Think we are going to do some bike riding with him in the trailer. I told the others, and they said, "Oh noooooooo you can't leave us." Oh well, school now for them, no more fun with grandma, well for awhile anyway, it is Lukey's turn now, and I can't wait! Oh yes, my 42 year old "autistic" brain damged child threw up. left his food going and forgot to connect the pump, so he got three cans at once. Too much, had to take him in the bathroom and change his clothes. (Marty is on a Peg tube for those who don't know.) Carolyn No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 I read that, Carolyn in Oregon, 42 years. Do you have a hard time listening to people who are worried if their new drapes match the new couch just right, or push yourself to care about which exotic vacation spot would be the best this year? I hope you are getting as much pleasure as work out of lifeJ Jill From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 11:20 AM To: Autism and Aspergers Treatment Subject: Re: First day of school Hi , This morning as I was walking my grandson to his 3rd day of 1st grade, he said, " Oh boy, another zippidy do dah day.... " rather sarcastically I thought. He is a funny kid, is not a little kiddy type boy at all, is into " The Pirates of the Caribbean, " told me the whole story walking down the hall way just now, and he knows all the names and details. I took him and his sister to see the latest one the day before school started, and I could barely understand the story myself. We have been reading National Geographic together for years now, and he knows many things about sharks, bugs, snakes, animals, rocks, volcanoes. I worry they will hold him back too much, think he is more ready for 4th grade, haha. Well I must run now, have a doctor's appointment scheduled for my disabled son, Marty, brain damaged, autistic, etc. He just needs his physical, blood work for Depokote levels, etc. He is on a food tube and his sodium sometimes gets out of whack, etc. Be nice to be able to talk to the doctor for a few more minutes than usual. They treat me so nice in there, guess they are impressed I have taken care of my son now for 42 years. Me too! haha Carolyn in Oregon First day of school Hi all, Well the kids got through their first day of school here, and all is well in our world. started 1st grade, big thing for him. He dressed up really cool, dark shirt with skull and crossbones from " Pirates of the Caribbean " on the front. Black pants with kind of a tattered look, bought them that way, and his blond curly hair spiked on top with red spike stuff. Oh yes and black and red Sketchers on his feet. I was all excited and asked him if his teacher was nice, and he said quite nonchalantly, " Not really. " Poor kids have to follow the rules now. He said he had chicken nuggets for lunch, and three recesses, that was fun. He looked beat, and it is hot here, so I made him put his shorts on. Yesterday I took them to see " Pirates of the Caribbean, Dead Man's Chest, " to celebrate their last day of freedom, and I must say it was quite an exciting show, I would highly recommend it, was much better than the first one I though. And Sierra had a fine day too. She thinks she is going to like Ms. Dopps, I had it wrong, thought it was Ms. Botts. She has some of her old friends back she missed last year, and she said she really liked the teacher. She is the one who I said was a lesbian, but we have decided she will stay in class and make the best of it, let her little light shine for Jesus, and all of that, see how it goes. And I got to thinking maybe some feminist input wouldn't hurt her anyway, as she does tend to be too submissive to males. The teacher did an exercise on bullying and used Sierra as an example, said if Sierra was bullying , what would do. Everybody laughed, as is a big boy, and Sierra a little girl. And I got her a new cell phone yesterday, and she is just as happy as if she had won a million $$. We got it free and added to my own phone plan for just $9.99 a month. She has it all figured out already, but they don't let you use them in school, which is fine, but now she can call if she gets in trouble. Like today she forgot to get . Their mom was going to meet them down the street at a church so she wouldn't have to drive through all the traffic in front of the school, and Sierra didn't have so she had go back and do it anyway. Ooops. Tomorrow I get the three of them back, have to start getting them ready right away, take them, come back and care for little Lucas, he is just 2. Think we are going to do some bike riding with him in the trailer. I told the others, and they said, " Oh noooooooo you can't leave us. " Oh well, school now for them, no more fun with grandma, well for awhile anyway, it is Lukey's turn now, and I can't wait! Oh yes, my 42 year old " autistic " brain damged child threw up. left his food going and forgot to connect the pump, so he got three cans at once. Too much, had to take him in the bathroom and change his clothes. (Marty is on a Peg tube for those who don't know.) Carolyn size=2 width="100%" align=center> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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