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How can you measure your Human chorionic

gonadotropin????? How can I a test to measure it?

And does anyone have the AACE ranges for all the

hormones? As they seem to be the best...

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> I don't think they get it 120pmol/L = in pg/ml

> 35. And this is not all that high some do dam good

> at this level.

> All you can do is what you do.

>

> chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> Quote

> Getting my E2 to lets

> say near 40, but not too low, could also help my

> problems.

> Unquote

>

> Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont listen

> not matter how

> many times or people tell you that.

>

> The information you have been given and the people

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> your are not listening.

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To mesure Human Chorionic Gonadotropin it's just a blood test. This is a cut

and paste about it from this link. It also has all the ranges for labs and what

is the best levels.

=======================================================

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Beta Subunit, Pregnancy This test is used

to detect the beta subunit of HCG, providing a sensitive, specific test for the

detection of early pregnancy, ectopic pregnancy, or threatened abortion.

=======================================================

I have never seen any ranges for hormones in the AACE Guildlines. Here is a

link to the AACE Guildlines for Hypogonadism.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

Getting your Estradiol down to 40 pmol/L is to low in my units this puts you

at 10 pg/ml the very bottom of the range. I and others taking Arimidex have

gone this low and did not feel very good at all. You would do better to try for

70 pmol/L this is about 20 in my units here in the USA.

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote:

How can you measure your Human chorionic

gonadotropin????? How can I a test to measure it?

And does anyone have the AACE ranges for all the

hormones? As they seem to be the best...

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> I don't think they get it 120pmol/L = in pg/ml

> 35. And this is not all that high some do dam good

> at this level.

> http://www.globalrph.com/conv_si.htm#Epinephrine

> All you can do is what you do.

>

> chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> Quote

> Getting my E2 to lets

> say near 40, but not too low, could also help my

> problems.

> Unquote

>

> Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont listen

> not matter how

> many times or people tell you that.

>

> The information you have been given and the people

> helping you are

> awful.

>

> I did my best to try as did others it has not and

> will not work as

> your are not listening.

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Here is a link to the UK ref. ranges for E2.

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote:

Again, you have not listened.

I said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am going to get my LEVEL from 120 to near 40 USING

THE UK RANGES, which ARE 25-156. I am 120 in the UK

ranges, and I want to be in the 40 in the UK ranges.

Now do you get me?

--- chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> Quote

> Getting my E2 to lets

> say near 40, but not too low, could also help my

> problems.

> Unquote

>

> Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont listen

> not matter how

> many times or people tell you that.

>

> The information you have been given and the people

> helping you are

> awful.

>

> I did my best to try as did others it has not and

> will not work as

> your are not listening.

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My arms and legs are long as someone who is 6ft2 but i

am only 5ft10, my spine, is 4 inches smaller.

my testicles are small, really small

my penis is only 4.5 inches on a semi

i can only reach a semi,

i orgasm little

i av 2% sperms that only work,,

please i am petrified,,,,what can i

be?????????????????????????? i will get my genetics

tests soon,,

but,,what do u think? i know my pituiary plays a huge

role,,but what else? wot other tests

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Here is a link to the UK ref. ranges for E2.

>

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> Again, you have not listened.

>

> I said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> I am going to get my LEVEL from 120 to near 40 USING

> THE UK RANGES, which ARE 25-156. I am 120 in the UK

> ranges, and I want to be in the 40 in the UK ranges.

> Now do you get me?

>

> --- chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

>

> > Quote

> > Getting my E2 to lets

> > say near 40, but not too low, could also help my

> > problems.

> > Unquote

> >

> > Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont listen

> > not matter how

> > many times or people tell you that.

> >

> > The information you have been given and the people

> > helping you are

> > awful.

> >

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> > will not work as

> > your are not listening.

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But my LH is high, E2 is on the high end in the range,

T is normalish, and my GH (growth hormone) is on the

bottom bottom. I will do more tests to determine more

accuracy,,but 0.1 clearly explains my 4 inch off ratio

spine,,

what is wrong with me

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Here is a link to the UK ref. ranges for E2.

>

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> Again, you have not listened.

>

> I said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> I am going to get my LEVEL from 120 to near 40 USING

> THE UK RANGES, which ARE 25-156. I am 120 in the UK

> ranges, and I want to be in the 40 in the UK ranges.

> Now do you get me?

>

> --- chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

>

> > Quote

> > Getting my E2 to lets

> > say near 40, but not too low, could also help my

> > problems.

> > Unquote

> >

> > Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont listen

> > not matter how

> > many times or people tell you that.

> >

> > The information you have been given and the people

> > helping you are

> > awful.

> >

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> > your are not listening.

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On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:39:19 +0000 (GMT), you wrote:

>

>Again, you have not listened.

>

>I said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

>I am going to get my LEVEL from 120 to near 40 USING

>THE UK RANGES, which ARE 25-156. I am 120 in the UK

>ranges, and I want to be in the 40 in the UK ranges.

>Now do you get me?

And what do you base that number on? Why do you want to be in the

bottom 10%?

November 17, 2007

Well lets see how your test looks and your Cortisol levels are very low. First

thing I would do is get a saliva test that checks this 4x's in a day. Here are

labs you can get the test with out a Dr.

United Kingdom Labwork from NP Tech, where they will send out the kit for an

ASI (adrenal stress test), plus sex hormones and a full thyroid panel etc.

(thanks to “Mo” for this info)

www.nptech.co.uk

5) United Kingdom Labwork from Red Apple Clinic. Thyroid, Adrenals, and

others. (thanks to Crunchie for this info).

www.redappleclinic.co.uk

Do take the time to read this FAQ's about low cortisol levels do to Adrenal

Fatigue.

And this is a link to a famous Dr. in the UK that has a book about this.

http://featherstone.bravehost.com/thyroid/peatfieldadrenal.html

Dr.'s in the US and the UK don't look for Adrenal Fatigue they look at your

test for disease.

I don't feel that this is why your arms are longer but I do feel the stress of

your not feeling will is taking it's toll on your Adrenals and if your saliva

test shows your low you would do better to treat this.

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote:

My arms and legs are long as someone who is 6ft2 but i

am only 5ft10, my spine, is 4 inches smaller.

my testicles are small, really small

my penis is only 4.5 inches on a semi

i can only reach a semi,

i orgasm little

i av 2% sperms that only work,,

please i am petrified,,,,what can i

be?????????????????????????? i will get my genetics

tests soon,,

but,,what do u think? i know my pituiary plays a huge

role,,but what else? wot other tests

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Here is a link to the UK ref. ranges for E2.

>

http://www.gpnotebook.co.uk/simplepage.cfm?ID=570818627

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> Again, you have not listened.

>

> I said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> I am going to get my LEVEL from 120 to near 40 USING

> THE UK RANGES, which ARE 25-156. I am 120 in the UK

> ranges, and I want to be in the 40 in the UK ranges.

> Now do you get me?

>

> --- chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

>

> > Quote

> > Getting my E2 to lets

> > say near 40, but not too low, could also help my

> > problems.

> > Unquote

> >

> > Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont listen

> > not matter how

> > many times or people tell you that.

> >

> > The information you have been given and the people

> > helping you are

> > awful.

> >

> > I did my best to try as did others it has not and

> > will not work as

> > your are not listening.

> >

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That GH test is not a good test to tell if your low and you did have the next

one up (IgF 1) 785 (197-956) ng/ml. This shows your OK my levels came back at

220 and for my age it's good your a lot higher. And if this test were low then

you do more testing like told you to find out if your GH is low. It takes

a lot of testing to tell.

But my LH is high, E2 is on the high end in the range,

T is normalish, and my GH (growth hormone) is on the

bottom bottom. I will do more tests to determine more

accuracy,,but 0.1 clearly explains my 4 inch off ratio

spine,,

what is wrong with me

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Here is a link to the UK ref. ranges for E2.

>

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> Again, you have not listened.

>

> I said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> I am going to get my LEVEL from 120 to near 40 USING

> THE UK RANGES, which ARE 25-156. I am 120 in the UK

> ranges, and I want to be in the 40 in the UK ranges.

> Now do you get me?

>

> --- chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

>

> > Quote

> > Getting my E2 to lets

> > say near 40, but not too low, could also help my

> > problems.

> > Unquote

> >

> > Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont listen

> > not matter how

> > many times or people tell you that.

> >

> > The information you have been given and the people

> > helping you are

> > awful.

> >

> > I did my best to try as did others it has not and

> > will not work as

> > your are not listening.

> >

> > >

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Quote

I am going to get my LEVEL from 120 to near 40 USING

THE UK RANGES, which ARE 25-156. I am 120 in the UK

ranges, and I want to be in the 40 in the UK ranges.

Now do you get me?

Unquote

No not at all, what you are proposing to do is not only illogical it

is a terrible idea that will adversely affect your health.

Time and time again you have mentioned the US reference ranges as a

reason for lowering your E2 level despite the fact that you E2 was

measured in an entirely differing reference range.

We have converted your E2 levels to the US range to show you what

your levels are on that range and to show you that you are NOT very

high in E2.

Now you are saying you do recognize the difference in the reference

ranges but want to get to 40pmol/l as in 40 on the UK scale.

But why 40? Where do you get the number 50 from?

Let me guess you get them because it is a number you recall from the

US range (bangs head into wall). That is a totally inappropriate

reference point.

Listen 120pmol/l absolutely and unequivocally is NOT the cause of

your problems.

The problems you have stated in terms of growth would NOT be caused

by that E2 level- NEVER.

This E2 level is common in young men and in men generally in the

normal populous that have NO growth problems at all.

Your E2 level is a good E2 level for many men and a little elevated

for other, but it is not overtly high.

You have mentioned lowering your E2 to 40pmol/l.

If you do that you will suffer from profound fatigue/exhaustion, bone

pain, hot flushes and night sweats, you will feel much worse than any

man who has hypogondism!!!

Low E2 is an absolutely hellish thing to have.

With E2 that low you would also kill your libido stone dead, make

erections almost impossible- forget a semi erection- you wont have

anything down there at that E2 level.

You will also risk screwing your growth up completely as E2 is

required for the proper conclusion of puberty. You risk throwing out

your thyroid function, usually and sore throat is an indicator of

that and on top of all this you could over time give yourself

osteoproosis and ruin your bone density in spin and hips.

Quote

But my LH is high, E2 is on the high end in the range,

T is normalish, and my GH (growth hormone) is on the

bottom bottom. I will do more tests to determine more

accuracy,,but 0.1 clearly explains my 4 inch off ratio

spine,,

what is wrong with me

Uquote

You say your LH is high, lowering E2 would increase it further- not

decrease it. Also low or high LH is not a condition, there is no

such thing as LH deficiency or excess- the only issue here is its

effect on testosterone levels and your seem on the surface to be ok.

Your Growth Hormone level is NOT low because it has been measured in

a one off blood test which would appear low in most people.

To find out if GH is low you need to have an evocative/dynamic test,

such as the Insulin Tolerance test (ITT) or a Glucagen test. If you

think you might lack GH you need on of this tests to find out what

the situation is.

To check your androgen status out fully you need to get your

endocrinologist to test SHBG and free testosterone to if possible.

So far you have had total/serum testosterone tested and that alone

does not prove that there is no androgen issue so you need a more in-

depth analysis that includes these tests and you sound as though you

need a geneticists view on what could be the cause for your growth

issues- one of the tests that should be included in a chromosomal

test for Klinefelters/Kallmans etc.

The question that you do rightly ask is;

" What is wrong me me? "

That question you raise is perfectly reasonable and a perfectly right

question to ask. But at the moment you are clutching desperately at

straws and making wild assumptions as to the cause of your problems

and looking to self treat on the back of those…that can seriously

mess you up which is why I am writing this to you- I don't want that

to happen to you!!

I know you might think I am just trying to make life tough and deny,

your concerns, trust me I am not doing that, I am thinking about your

best interests.

The bottom line and what you need then;

A test for SHBG

A free testosterone test (I have found out these have recentlyt

become available to some teaching hospitals in the UK- so you might

be able to get this now)

Either way the SHBG can be used to obtain a calculated free

testosterone (CT).

You need and Insulin Tolerance Test (ITT) or Glucagen test to measure

your Growth Hormone levels.

You need a genetic chromosomal test for androgen defects and you need

a geneticist considering the potential causes for your clinical

presentation.

Lastly you need a competent endocrinologist considering any other

causes that would allow for your clinical presentation.

If you read nothing of my post take what I have wrote as the bottom

line as a shopping list……get to your doctors and get them to

investigate and please do NOT self treat.

Sorry if I have sounded like I am giving you a hard time..not my

intention at all.

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Thank you very much for the tests. which one would you

say I should do??????? i think my throid, pitutiary

and my adrenals are all messed up. note i am always:

-Coughing

-Blowing nose every day

-Pouring saliva

-Spitting in bin

-Tired

-Impossible to wake up

-Stressed

-Never happy,

-And you know my other problems x

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Well lets see how your test looks and your Cortisol

> levels are very low. First thing I would do is get

> a saliva test that checks this 4x's in a day. Here

> are labs you can get the test with out a Dr.

> United Kingdom Labwork from NP Tech, where they

> will send out the kit for an ASI (adrenal stress

> test), plus sex hormones and a full thyroid panel

> etc. (thanks to “Mo” for this info)

> www.nptech.co.uk

> 5) United Kingdom Labwork from Red Apple Clinic.

> Thyroid, Adrenals, and others. (thanks to Crunchie

> for this info).

> www.redappleclinic.co.uk

> Do take the time to read this FAQ's about low

> cortisol levels do to Adrenal Fatigue.

>

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

> And this is a link to a famous Dr. in the UK that

> has a book about this.

>

http://featherstone.bravehost.com/thyroid/peatfieldadrenal.html

> Dr.'s in the US and the UK don't look for Adrenal

> Fatigue they look at your test for disease.

>

> I don't feel that this is why your arms are longer

> but I do feel the stress of your not feeling will is

> taking it's toll on your Adrenals and if your saliva

> test shows your low you would do better to treat

> this.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> My arms and legs are long as someone who

> is 6ft2 but i

> am only 5ft10, my spine, is 4 inches smaller.

>

> my testicles are small, really small

> my penis is only 4.5 inches on a semi

> i can only reach a semi,

> i orgasm little

> i av 2% sperms that only work,,

>

> please i am petrified,,,,what can i

> be?????????????????????????? i will get my genetics

> tests soon,,

>

> but,,what do u think? i know my pituiary plays a

> huge

> role,,but what else? wot other tests

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > Here is a link to the UK ref. ranges for E2.

> >

>

http://www.gpnotebook.co.uk/simplepage.cfm?ID=570818627

> >

> > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote:

> > Again, you have not listened.

> >

> > I said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> >

> > I am going to get my LEVEL from 120 to near 40

> USING

> > THE UK RANGES, which ARE 25-156. I am 120 in the

> UK

> > ranges, and I want to be in the 40 in the UK

> ranges.

> > Now do you get me?

> >

> > --- chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Quote

> > > Getting my E2 to lets

> > > say near 40, but not too low, could also help my

> > > problems.

> > > Unquote

> > >

> > > Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont

> listen

> > > not matter how

> > > many times or people tell you that.

> > >

> > > The information you have been given and the

> people

> > > helping you are

> > > awful.

> > >

> > > I did my best to try as did others it has not

> and

> > > will not work as

> > > your are not listening.

> > >

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> > >

> >

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I believe my pituitary, adrenal and my thyroid is

mashed up,,,and how can one know if one has

hypogonadism by a specific test? and any one dont know

of any usa hormone ranges known to be efficient,

i need to get pituitary and adrenal and throid tested

etc, hence all my probs remain killing me,,,and making

me suffere,,,dam,,,i cant even live,,,im an outcast to

ppl in my life,,,but im not gonna give up,,

ok i take the e2 advice ,,,,,and tlk to my professor

when i meet him,

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> To mesure Human Chorionic Gonadotropin it's just a

> blood test. This is a cut and paste about it from

> this link. It also has all the ranges for labs and

> what is the best levels.

>

>

=======================================================

> Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Beta Subunit,

> Pregnancy This test is used to detect the beta

> subunit of HCG, providing a sensitive, specific test

> for the detection of early pregnancy, ectopic

> pregnancy, or threatened abortion.

>

=======================================================

> I have never seen any ranges for hormones in the

> AACE Guildlines. Here is a link to the AACE

> Guildlines for Hypogonadism.

>

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

>

> Getting your Estradiol down to 40 pmol/L is to low

> in my units this puts you at 10 pg/ml the very

> bottom of the range. I and others taking Arimidex

> have gone this low and did not feel very good at

> all. You would do better to try for 70 pmol/L this

> is about 20 in my units here in the USA.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> How can you measure your Human chorionic

> gonadotropin????? How can I a test to measure it?

>

> And does anyone have the AACE ranges for all the

> hormones? As they seem to be the best...

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > I don't think they get it 120pmol/L = in

> pg/ml

> > 35. And this is not all that high some do dam good

> > at this level.

> > http://www.globalrph.com/conv_si.htm#Epinephrine

> > All you can do is what you do.

> >

> > chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> > Quote

> > Getting my E2 to lets

> > say near 40, but not too low, could also help my

> > problems.

> > Unquote

> >

> > Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont listen

> > not matter how

> > many times or people tell you that.

> >

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I would do the saliva test on your Cortisol levels and the other tests that come

with it.

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote: Thank you very

much for the tests. which one would you

say I should do??????? i think my throid, pitutiary

and my adrenals are all messed up. note i am always:

-Coughing

-Blowing nose every day

-Pouring saliva

-Spitting in bin

-Tired

-Impossible to wake up

-Stressed

-Never happy,

-And you know my other problems x

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Well lets see how your test looks and your Cortisol

> levels are very low. First thing I would do is get

> a saliva test that checks this 4x's in a day. Here

> are labs you can get the test with out a Dr.

> United Kingdom Labwork from NP Tech, where they

> will send out the kit for an ASI (adrenal stress

> test), plus sex hormones and a full thyroid panel

> etc. (thanks to “Mo” for this info)

> www.nptech.co.uk

> 5) United Kingdom Labwork from Red Apple Clinic.

> Thyroid, Adrenals, and others. (thanks to Crunchie

> for this info).

> Do take the time to read this FAQ's about low

> cortisol levels do to Adrenal Fatigue.

>

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

> And this is a link to a famous Dr. in the UK that

> has a book about this.

>

http://featherstone.bravehost.com/thyroid/peatfieldadrenal.html

> Dr.'s in the US and the UK don't look for Adrenal

> Fatigue they look at your test for disease.

>

> I don't feel that this is why your arms are longer

> but I do feel the stress of your not feeling will is

> taking it's toll on your Adrenals and if your saliva

> test shows your low you would do better to treat

> this.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> My arms and legs are long as someone who

> is 6ft2 but i

> am only 5ft10, my spine, is 4 inches smaller.

>

> my testicles are small, really small

> my penis is only 4.5 inches on a semi

> i can only reach a semi,

> i orgasm little

> i av 2% sperms that only work,,

>

> please i am petrified,,,,what can i

> be?????????????????????????? i will get my genetics

> tests soon,,

>

> but,,what do u think? i know my pituiary plays a

> huge

> role,,but what else? wot other tests

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > Here is a link to the UK ref. ranges for E2.

> >

>

http://www.gpnotebook.co.uk/simplepage.cfm?ID=570818627

> >

> > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote:

> > Again, you have not listened.

> >

> > I said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> >

> > I am going to get my LEVEL from 120 to near 40

> USING

> > THE UK RANGES, which ARE 25-156. I am 120 in the

> UK

> > ranges, and I want to be in the 40 in the UK

> ranges.

> > Now do you get me?

> >

> > --- chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Quote

> > > Getting my E2 to lets

> > > say near 40, but not too low, could also help my

> > > problems.

> > > Unquote

> > >

> > > Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont

> listen

> > > not matter how

> > > many times or people tell you that.

> > >

> > > The information you have been given and the

> people

> > > helping you are

> > > awful.

> > >

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> and

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> > > your are not listening.

> > >

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You would need a test like, This is taken from Dr. 's site at

www.allthingsmale.com in TRT: A Recipe for Success.

• Total Testosterone

• Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA " Free and Loosely Bound " )

• Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is unavailable)

• DHT

• Estradiol (specify the Extraction Method, or " sensitive " assay for

males)

• LH

• FSH

• Prolactin

• Cortisol

• Thyroid Panel

• CBC

• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel

• Lipid Profile

• PSA (if over 40)

If your testosterone is low and your Estradiol is good with your LH and FSH low

this could mean you have a Pituitary Problem for making testosterone. To tell

if your Pituitary is why your Cortisol levels are low you would need an ACTH

Stim. test read this link on how this test is done and how to read it.

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote:

I believe my pituitary, adrenal and my thyroid is

mashed up,,,and how can one know if one has

hypogonadism by a specific test? and any one dont know

of any usa hormone ranges known to be efficient,

i need to get pituitary and adrenal and throid tested

etc, hence all my probs remain killing me,,,and making

me suffere,,,dam,,,i cant even live,,,im an outcast to

ppl in my life,,,but im not gonna give up,,

ok i take the e2 advice ,,,,,and tlk to my professor

when i meet him,

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> To mesure Human Chorionic Gonadotropin it's just a

> blood test. This is a cut and paste about it from

> this link. It also has all the ranges for labs and

> what is the best levels.

>

http://www.lef.org/protocols/appendix/blood_testing_01.htm

>

=======================================================

> Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Beta Subunit,

> Pregnancy This test is used to detect the beta

> subunit of HCG, providing a sensitive, specific test

> for the detection of early pregnancy, ectopic

> pregnancy, or threatened abortion.

>

=======================================================

> I have never seen any ranges for hormones in the

> AACE Guildlines. Here is a link to the AACE

> Guildlines for Hypogonadism.

>

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

>

> Getting your Estradiol down to 40 pmol/L is to low

> in my units this puts you at 10 pg/ml the very

> bottom of the range. I and others taking Arimidex

> have gone this low and did not feel very good at

> all. You would do better to try for 70 pmol/L this

> is about 20 in my units here in the USA.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> How can you measure your Human chorionic

> gonadotropin????? How can I a test to measure it?

>

> And does anyone have the AACE ranges for all the

> hormones? As they seem to be the best...

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > I don't think they get it 120pmol/L = in

> pg/ml

> > 35. And this is not all that high some do dam good

> > at this level.

> > http://www.globalrph.com/conv_si.htm#Epinephrine

> > All you can do is what you do.

> >

> > chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> > Quote

> > Getting my E2 to lets

> > say near 40, but not too low, could also help my

> > problems.

> > Unquote

> >

> > Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont listen

> > not matter how

> > many times or people tell you that.

> >

> > The information you have been given and the people

> > helping you are

> > awful.

> >

> > I did my best to try as did others it has not and

> > will not work as

> > your are not listening.

> >

> > >

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On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:18:56 +0000 (GMT), you wrote:

>-Coughing

>-Blowing nose every day

>-Pouring saliva

>-Spitting in bin

>-Tired

>-Impossible to wake up

These sound like allergy symptoms.

November 18, 2007

I do them everywhere, in bathroom, brushing teeth,

after and whilst eating, outside, inside, exercising,

sleeping, everywhere.

I am not allergic to anything, I had an allergy test

done, and on top, it is unfair to say it is an

allergic symtpon. this is all severe and has been

happening to me for over 5 years. and I have tried

mixed dieting food, etc etc, I am fed up, and I

believe it is part of my serious problems...

--- retrogrouch@... wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:18:56 +0000 (GMT), you wrote:

>

> >-Coughing

> >-Blowing nose every day

> >-Pouring saliva

> >-Spitting in bin

> >-Tired

> >-Impossible to wake up

>

> These sound like allergy symptoms.

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American units:

TSH 1.42 mIU/L

Free T4 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L (UK VERSION)

FSH 6.8 mIU/mL

LH 7.7 lU/L

Oestradiol 32.7 pg/mL

Prolactin 4.94 µg/L

Testosterone 478 ng/dL

17 OH-Progesterone 0.84 ng/mL

Androstenedione 90.5 ng/dL

Cortisol (Rdm) 7.4 µg/dL

IgF 1 785 (197-956) ng/ml (UK VERSION

Binding Protein 3 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L (UK VERSION)

UK units:

TSH 1.42 (0.27-4.20) mU/L

Free T4 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L

FSH 6.8 (1.5-11.4) U/L

LH 7.7 (1.7-8.6) U/L

Oestradiol 120 (28-156) pmol/l

Prolactin 215 (86-324) IU/ml

Testosterone 16.6 (9.9-27.8) nmol/l

17 OH-Progesterone 2.66 (0.90-10.00) nmol//l

Androstenedione 3.16 (0.68-10.00) nmol/L

Cortisol (Rdm) 204 nmol/L

IgF 1 785 (197-956) ng/ml

Binding Protein 3 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> You would need a test like, This is taken from Dr.

> 's site at www.allthingsmale.com in TRT: A

> Recipe for Success.

>

> • Total Testosterone

> • Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA " Free and Loosely

> Bound " )

> • Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is

> unavailable)

> • DHT

> • Estradiol (specify the Extraction Method, or

> " sensitive " assay for

> males)

> • LH

> • FSH

> • Prolactin

> • Cortisol

> • Thyroid Panel

> • CBC

> • Comprehensive Metabolic Panel

> • Lipid Profile

> • PSA (if over 40)

> If your testosterone is low and your Estradiol is

> good with your LH and FSH low this could mean you

> have a Pituitary Problem for making testosterone.

> To tell if your Pituitary is why your Cortisol

> levels are low you would need an ACTH Stim. test

> read this link on how this test is done and how to

> read it.

>

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> I believe my pituitary, adrenal and my

> thyroid is

> mashed up,,,and how can one know if one has

> hypogonadism by a specific test? and any one dont

> know

> of any usa hormone ranges known to be efficient,

>

> i need to get pituitary and adrenal and throid

> tested

> etc, hence all my probs remain killing me,,,and

> making

> me suffere,,,dam,,,i cant even live,,,im an outcast

> to

> ppl in my life,,,but im not gonna give up,,

>

> ok i take the e2 advice ,,,,,and tlk to my professor

> when i meet him,

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > To mesure Human Chorionic Gonadotropin it's just a

> > blood test. This is a cut and paste about it from

> > this link. It also has all the ranges for labs and

> > what is the best levels.

> >

>

http://www.lef.org/protocols/appendix/blood_testing_01.htm

> >

>

=======================================================

> > Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Beta Subunit,

> > Pregnancy This test is used to detect the beta

> > subunit of HCG, providing a sensitive, specific

> test

> > for the detection of early pregnancy, ectopic

> > pregnancy, or threatened abortion.

> >

>

=======================================================

> > I have never seen any ranges for hormones in the

> > AACE Guildlines. Here is a link to the AACE

> > Guildlines for Hypogonadism.

> >

>

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

> >

> > Getting your Estradiol down to 40 pmol/L is to low

> > in my units this puts you at 10 pg/ml the very

> > bottom of the range. I and others taking Arimidex

> > have gone this low and did not feel very good at

> > all. You would do better to try for 70 pmol/L this

> > is about 20 in my units here in the USA.

> >

> > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote:

> > How can you measure your Human chorionic

> > gonadotropin????? How can I a test to measure it?

> >

> > And does anyone have the AACE ranges for all the

> > hormones? As they seem to be the best...

> >

> > --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> >

> > > I don't think they get it 120pmol/L = in

> > pg/ml

> > > 35. And this is not all that high some do dam

> good

> > > at this level.

> > > http://www.globalrph.com/conv_si.htm#Epinephrine

> > > All you can do is what you do.

> > >

> > > chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> > > Quote

> > > Getting my E2 to lets

> > > say near 40, but not too low, could also help my

> > > problems.

> > > Unquote

> > >

> > > Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont

> listen

> > > not matter how

> > > many times or people tell you that.

> > >

> > > The information you have been given and the

> people

> > > helping you are

> > > awful.

> > >

> > > I did my best to try as did others it has not

> and

> > > will not work as

> > > your are not listening.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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My results in the American Units:

TSH 1.42 mIU/L

Free T4 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L (UK unit)

FSH 6.8 mIU/mL

LH 7.7 lU/L

Oestradiol 32.7 pg/mL

Prolactin 4.94 µg/L

Testosterone 478 ng/dL

17 OH-Progesterone 0.84 ng/mL

Androstenedione 90.5 ng/dL

Cortisol (Rdm) 7.4 µg/dL

IgF 1 785 (197-956) ng/ml (UK unit)

Binding Protein 3 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L (UK unit)

HGH came too low! Serum growth hormone = 0.1 ml.U/L

(0.0 - 10.0) Supplementary Result (UK unit)

Do I need anything else extra to test for within this

test? On top MY GENETICS HAVE COME OUT TO BE NORMAL!

MY GENETICAL TESTING IS NORMAL, WHICH IS A GOOD SIGN.

(i will get my other testin this tues on my genes too)

Now I am off ratio as my GH could be most likely LOW,

but need more tests, but the simple test gives reason

to my off ratio body. Also LOW Testosterone causes the

LONG ARMS AND LEGS TO GROW. My testosterone is

borderline and someone my age should be above

900ng/dL, not at 478ng/dL! On top, if someone has high

LH, there TESTOSTERONE should be high too??? I have

high LH, so why are my testicles still small and why

do I only have 2% functional sperms??????? Also I shld

be on 10.0 for my GH level in order to develop once on

HGH, need more tests though. And can anyone explain

what causes low GH?? on top, if one testicle is lost,

does it mean the Testosterone level halves???

Also I had a hernia operation and undescended

testicles. I had an ultrasound and it showed my

testicles are fine! But I need a proper examination,

can anyone recommend any tests? I am also getting a

Doppler Study with Caverject done to see for any

physical damage. CAN ANYONE NAME ME THE TESTS DONE TO

CHECK FOR ANY CONDUCTIVE BLOOD LOSS WITH ELECTRICAL

NERVE TRACINGS AS AN EXAMPLE? FOR MY GROINS AND MY

TESTICLES AS WELL AS MY PENIS, I NEED A FULL CHECKUP.

As my genetics are normal, can I still have some form

of hypogonadism???? How can I test/check for which

form of hypogonadism i av???? My t is borderline I

need it to be above 900 (as my reason above explains

partly why i.e. long arms and boyd my age shld be high

not just above the t level of older men), my e2 is 120

in the UK units, it would be better to get it at 60 to

70 in the UK units (high e2 causes testicle shrinkage

and my penis etc have not developed from as far as i

can remember age 10 and 11, which also explains on

hormonial probs >>> but also I need HGH too to help me

grow my off ratio spine within the next 6 years (i am

19). CAN ANYONE GIVE ME A RX DETAIL on how and what

dose I should take and how regularly etc please for

HGH???? Can someone also tell me HOW I CAN USE HCG TOO

(AS I DO HAVE TINY TESTICLES and 2% sperm count)?? And

also an RX for Testosterone therapy too??? use my case

and my results as a guide, so i can show it to my

proffesor (who is paediatric and adoloscence

endocrinologist)

I am going to take all this information to my

professor, and use it as a guide to help solve my

case.

Summary:

-T is not where it should be for a 19 year old,

-E2 is a little bit high

-LH is high, causing a concern why am I only 2% sperm

functional and why are testicles small, and why is

Testosterone still low, as HIGH LH should produce MORE

Testosterone (hcg is used to boost t, but it boosts LH

to boost t, and my LH is high, but T normal, something

is going on???)

-Need RX for HGH & HCG (and even perhaps T therapy,

but the cause of why t is borderline and LH is high

needs to be found too, but any RX detail on T therapy

will help me a lot,,)

-Names for physical examination on groins, penis and

testicles.

-Can I still have some form of hypogonadism,??? & how

can i check/test for which type of hypogonadism i

av????

-Any extra tests I need for my whole case and

endocrine aspect, (I have some already i.e. ITT, SHBG,

Free testosterone, ACTH Stim and saliva test through

the adrenal stress level test, that i got from this

group, thnx every1 xx) > any more?

-Any particular Testosterone testing and its types

that need to be checked for?

-if one testicle is lost, does it mean the

Testosterone level halves???

NOTE: MY CASE IS DIFFERENT. I AM A TEEN GROWING INTO A

MAN, I AM NOT YET A FULLY DEVELOPED ADULT. SO MY CASE

IS A LOT DIFFERENT...

NOTE: I AM TAKING THIS TO MY PROFESSOR IN 2 WEEKS

TIME, TO TALK AND DISCUSS WITH MY PROBLEM AND USE IT

AS AN EXAMPLE, GUIDANCE, etc etc TO HELP SOLVE MY

CASE.

extra: when i find anything cute, my chews itself, it

is not deliberate but it happens on top my cheeks get

tired and all cuddly etc, this is not deliberate, it

happens autmoatically on the word go!

May someone please answer to my queires, so i can add

it to my file and use it to help solve my prob with

professional guidance with my proffersor. thnx x.

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> You would need a test like, This is taken from Dr.

> 's site at www.allthingsmale.com in TRT: A

> Recipe for Success.

>

> • Total Testosterone

> • Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA " Free and Loosely

> Bound " )

> • Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is

> unavailable)

> • DHT

> • Estradiol (specify the Extraction Method, or

> " sensitive " assay for

> males)

> • LH

> • FSH

> • Prolactin

> • Cortisol

> • Thyroid Panel

> • CBC

> • Comprehensive Metabolic Panel

> • Lipid Profile

> • PSA (if over 40)

> If your testosterone is low and your Estradiol is

> good with your LH and FSH low this could mean you

> have a Pituitary Problem for making testosterone.

> To tell if your Pituitary is why your Cortisol

> levels are low you would need an ACTH Stim. test

> read this link on how this test is done and how to

> read it.

>

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> I believe my pituitary, adrenal and my

> thyroid is

> mashed up,,,and how can one know if one has

> hypogonadism by a specific test? and any one dont

> know

> of any usa hormone ranges known to be efficient,

>

> i need to get pituitary and adrenal and throid

> tested

> etc, hence all my probs remain killing me,,,and

> making

> me suffere,,,dam,,,i cant even live,,,im an outcast

> to

> ppl in my life,,,but im not gonna give up,,

>

> ok i take the e2 advice ,,,,,and tlk to my professor

> when i meet him,

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > To mesure Human Chorionic Gonadotropin it's just a

> > blood test. This is a cut and paste about it from

> > this link. It also has all the ranges for labs and

> > what is the best levels.

> >

>

http://www.lef.org/protocols/appendix/blood_testing_01.htm

> >

>

=======================================================

> > Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Beta Subunit,

> > Pregnancy This test is used to detect the beta

> > subunit of HCG, providing a sensitive, specific

> test

> > for the detection of early pregnancy, ectopic

> > pregnancy, or threatened abortion.

> >

>

=======================================================

> > I have never seen any ranges for hormones in the

> > AACE Guildlines. Here is a link to the AACE

> > Guildlines for Hypogonadism.

> >

>

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

> >

> > Getting your Estradiol down to 40 pmol/L is to low

> > in my units this puts you at 10 pg/ml the very

> > bottom of the range. I and others taking Arimidex

> > have gone this low and did not feel very good at

> > all. You would do better to try for 70 pmol/L this

> > is about 20 in my units here in the USA.

> >

> > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote:

> > How can you measure your Human chorionic

> > gonadotropin????? How can I a test to measure it?

> >

> > And does anyone have the AACE ranges for all the

> > hormones? As they seem to be the best...

> >

> > --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> >

> > > I don't think they get it 120pmol/L = in

> > pg/ml

> > > 35. And this is not all that high some do dam

> good

> > > at this level.

> > > http://www.globalrph.com/conv_si.htm#Epinephrine

> > > All you can do is what you do.

> > >

> > > chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> > > Quote

> > > Getting my E2 to lets

> > > say near 40, but not too low, could also help my

> > > problems.

> > > Unquote

> > >

> > > Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont

> listen

> > > not matter how

> > > many times or people tell you that.

> > >

> > > The information you have been given and the

> people

> > > helping you are

> > > awful.

> > >

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> and

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> > > your are not listening.

> > >

> > > >

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-what causes GH (growth hormone) to be low????

-And i am askin on the testicle part (i.e if one

testicle is lost, so is the testosterone level

halved?), as both my testicles are small, but one is

very small, (my left one is small & my right one is

very small, by 2x or 3x smaller than my left one)

on my report of my " Testicular Ultrasound " it said:

" " " " The right testicle and the right epididymis are

reduced in size. The right testicle measures 2.78cm in

length and 1.49cm in maximum AP diameter. However, the

right testicle appears of normal homogeneous

echogenicity with no evidence of focal lesions or

diffuse parenchymal changes. Normal blood flow was

demostrated to the right testicle on colour Doppler.

The ultrasound appearances of the left epididymis and

the left testicle are normal. No abnormal fluid

collection is seen. There is no evidence of

varicocoele formation " " " "

So far, the genes and the ultrasound show something is

up with my hormones, which I believe it is, as I

slightly explained why in my last post. My left

testicle is not normal in size though and especially

my rigth testicle. so something is up with my hormones

as my genetic test and ultrasound test on the

testicles are normal.

it concerns me why r my testicles so small and why do

i only have 2% functional sperms though.......i am

going to get a doppler ultrasound with caverject to

see any damage to penis. and i need more on my

testicle and my groin areas to see any damage, as i

had undescended testicles and a herina.

So far, i am concluding something abnormal is going on

with my hormones, i.e. high LH, but borderline

Testosterone(and i am sick and tired of ppl sayin my t

is ok, it is not, i am 19! it is 498 in american

units, remember FOR MY AGE I SHOULD BE 900+)

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> You would need a test like, This is taken from Dr.

> 's site at www.allthingsmale.com in TRT: A

> Recipe for Success.

>

> • Total Testosterone

> • Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA " Free and Loosely

> Bound " )

> • Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is

> unavailable)

> • DHT

> • Estradiol (specify the Extraction Method, or

> " sensitive " assay for

> males)

> • LH

> • FSH

> • Prolactin

> • Cortisol

> • Thyroid Panel

> • CBC

> • Comprehensive Metabolic Panel

> • Lipid Profile

> • PSA (if over 40)

> If your testosterone is low and your Estradiol is

> good with your LH and FSH low this could mean you

> have a Pituitary Problem for making testosterone.

> To tell if your Pituitary is why your Cortisol

> levels are low you would need an ACTH Stim. test

> read this link on how this test is done and how to

> read it.

>

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> I believe my pituitary, adrenal and my

> thyroid is

> mashed up,,,and how can one know if one has

> hypogonadism by a specific test? and any one dont

> know

> of any usa hormone ranges known to be efficient,

>

> i need to get pituitary and adrenal and throid

> tested

> etc, hence all my probs remain killing me,,,and

> making

> me suffere,,,dam,,,i cant even live,,,im an outcast

> to

> ppl in my life,,,but im not gonna give up,,

>

> ok i take the e2 advice ,,,,,and tlk to my professor

> when i meet him,

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > To mesure Human Chorionic Gonadotropin it's just a

> > blood test. This is a cut and paste about it from

> > this link. It also has all the ranges for labs and

> > what is the best levels.

> >

>

http://www.lef.org/protocols/appendix/blood_testing_01.htm

> >

>

=======================================================

> > Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Beta Subunit,

> > Pregnancy This test is used to detect the beta

> > subunit of HCG, providing a sensitive, specific

> test

> > for the detection of early pregnancy, ectopic

> > pregnancy, or threatened abortion.

> >

>

=======================================================

> > I have never seen any ranges for hormones in the

> > AACE Guildlines. Here is a link to the AACE

> > Guildlines for Hypogonadism.

> >

>

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

> >

> > Getting your Estradiol down to 40 pmol/L is to low

> > in my units this puts you at 10 pg/ml the very

> > bottom of the range. I and others taking Arimidex

> > have gone this low and did not feel very good at

> > all. You would do better to try for 70 pmol/L this

> > is about 20 in my units here in the USA.

> >

> > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote:

> > How can you measure your Human chorionic

> > gonadotropin????? How can I a test to measure it?

> >

> > And does anyone have the AACE ranges for all the

> > hormones? As they seem to be the best...

> >

> > --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> >

> > > I don't think they get it 120pmol/L = in

> > pg/ml

> > > 35. And this is not all that high some do dam

> good

> > > at this level.

> > > http://www.globalrph.com/conv_si.htm#Epinephrine

> > > All you can do is what you do.

> > >

> > > chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> > > Quote

> > > Getting my E2 to lets

> > > say near 40, but not too low, could also help my

> > > problems.

> > > Unquote

> > >

> > > Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont

> listen

> > > not matter how

> > > many times or people tell you that.

> > >

> > > The information you have been given and the

> people

> > > helping you are

> > > awful.

> > >

> > > I did my best to try as did others it has not

> and

> > > will not work as

> > > your are not listening.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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I don't know how much more we can help you. Here is a chart showing avg. levels

of testosterone in a man over 24 hrs. They peek at about just over 400. I hope

it opens for you.

al-daily-testosterone-testosterone-20levels-20over

A lot of the questions your asking we here is the US can't help you with in

the UK but you can go and post this at this site in the UK.

http://www.andropause.org.uk/newforum/forum_frameset.htm

HCG will not help you your body makes a lot of LH and HCG acts like LH.

Your higher LH and FSH with your T levels in the 400's tells me your body is

asking for more testosterone and your Testis can make more.

Your E2 is a little high and if your get it down to 70 from 120 you might feel

better and your TT and FT should go up some.

Your Cortisol is very low and you need to do more testing on it.

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote:

My results in the American Units:

TSH 1.42 mIU/L

Free T4 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L (UK unit)

FSH 6.8 mIU/mL

LH 7.7 lU/L

Oestradiol 32.7 pg/mL

Prolactin 4.94 µg/L

Testosterone 478 ng/dL

17 OH-Progesterone 0.84 ng/mL

Androstenedione 90.5 ng/dL

Cortisol (Rdm) 7.4 µg/dL

IgF 1 785 (197-956) ng/ml (UK unit)

Binding Protein 3 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L (UK unit)

HGH came too low! Serum growth hormone = 0.1 ml.U/L

(0.0 - 10.0) Supplementary Result (UK unit)

Do I need anything else extra to test for within this

test? On top MY GENETICS HAVE COME OUT TO BE NORMAL!

MY GENETICAL TESTING IS NORMAL, WHICH IS A GOOD SIGN.

(i will get my other testin this tues on my genes too)

Now I am off ratio as my GH could be most likely LOW,

but need more tests, but the simple test gives reason

to my off ratio body. Also LOW Testosterone causes the

LONG ARMS AND LEGS TO GROW. My testosterone is

borderline and someone my age should be above

900ng/dL, not at 478ng/dL! On top, if someone has high

LH, there TESTOSTERONE should be high too??? I have

high LH, so why are my testicles still small and why

do I only have 2% functional sperms??????? Also I shld

be on 10.0 for my GH level in order to develop once on

HGH, need more tests though. And can anyone explain

what causes low GH?? on top, if one testicle is lost,

does it mean the Testosterone level halves???

Also I had a hernia operation and undescended

testicles. I had an ultrasound and it showed my

testicles are fine! But I need a proper examination,

can anyone recommend any tests? I am also getting a

Doppler Study with Caverject done to see for any

physical damage. CAN ANYONE NAME ME THE TESTS DONE TO

CHECK FOR ANY CONDUCTIVE BLOOD LOSS WITH ELECTRICAL

NERVE TRACINGS AS AN EXAMPLE? FOR MY GROINS AND MY

TESTICLES AS WELL AS MY PENIS, I NEED A FULL CHECKUP.

As my genetics are normal, can I still have some form

of hypogonadism???? How can I test/check for which

form of hypogonadism i av???? My t is borderline I

need it to be above 900 (as my reason above explains

partly why i.e. long arms and boyd my age shld be high

not just above the t level of older men), my e2 is 120

in the UK units, it would be better to get it at 60 to

70 in the UK units (high e2 causes testicle shrinkage

and my penis etc have not developed from as far as i

can remember age 10 and 11, which also explains on

hormonial probs >>> but also I need HGH too to help me

grow my off ratio spine within the next 6 years (i am

19). CAN ANYONE GIVE ME A RX DETAIL on how and what

dose I should take and how regularly etc please for

HGH???? Can someone also tell me HOW I CAN USE HCG TOO

(AS I DO HAVE TINY TESTICLES and 2% sperm count)?? And

also an RX for Testosterone therapy too??? use my case

and my results as a guide, so i can show it to my

proffesor (who is paediatric and adoloscence

endocrinologist)

I am going to take all this information to my

professor, and use it as a guide to help solve my

case.

Summary:

-T is not where it should be for a 19 year old,

-E2 is a little bit high

-LH is high, causing a concern why am I only 2% sperm

functional and why are testicles small, and why is

Testosterone still low, as HIGH LH should produce MORE

Testosterone (hcg is used to boost t, but it boosts LH

to boost t, and my LH is high, but T normal, something

is going on???)

-Need RX for HGH & HCG (and even perhaps T therapy,

but the cause of why t is borderline and LH is high

needs to be found too, but any RX detail on T therapy

will help me a lot,,)

-Names for physical examination on groins, penis and

testicles.

-Can I still have some form of hypogonadism,??? & how

can i check/test for which type of hypogonadism i

av????

-Any extra tests I need for my whole case and

endocrine aspect, (I have some already i.e. ITT, SHBG,

Free testosterone, ACTH Stim and saliva test through

the adrenal stress level test, that i got from this

group, thnx every1 xx) > any more?

-Any particular Testosterone testing and its types

that need to be checked for?

-if one testicle is lost, does it mean the

Testosterone level halves???

NOTE: MY CASE IS DIFFERENT. I AM A TEEN GROWING INTO A

MAN, I AM NOT YET A FULLY DEVELOPED ADULT. SO MY CASE

IS A LOT DIFFERENT...

NOTE: I AM TAKING THIS TO MY PROFESSOR IN 2 WEEKS

TIME, TO TALK AND DISCUSS WITH MY PROBLEM AND USE IT

AS AN EXAMPLE, GUIDANCE, etc etc TO HELP SOLVE MY

CASE.

extra: when i find anything cute, my chews itself, it

is not deliberate but it happens on top my cheeks get

tired and all cuddly etc, this is not deliberate, it

happens autmoatically on the word go!

May someone please answer to my queires, so i can add

it to my file and use it to help solve my prob with

professional guidance with my proffersor. thnx x.

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> You would need a test like, This is taken from Dr.

> 's site at www.allthingsmale.com in TRT: A

> Recipe for Success.

>

> • Total Testosterone

> • Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA " Free and Loosely

> Bound " )

> • Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is

> unavailable)

> • DHT

> • Estradiol (specify the Extraction Method, or

> " sensitive " assay for

> males)

> • LH

> • FSH

> • Prolactin

> • Cortisol

> • Thyroid Panel

> • CBC

> • Comprehensive Metabolic Panel

> • Lipid Profile

> • PSA (if over 40)

> If your testosterone is low and your Estradiol is

> good with your LH and FSH low this could mean you

> have a Pituitary Problem for making testosterone.

> To tell if your Pituitary is why your Cortisol

> levels are low you would need an ACTH Stim. test

> read this link on how this test is done and how to

> read it.

>

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=288

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> I believe my pituitary, adrenal and my

> thyroid is

> mashed up,,,and how can one know if one has

> hypogonadism by a specific test? and any one dont

> know

> of any usa hormone ranges known to be efficient,

>

> i need to get pituitary and adrenal and throid

> tested

> etc, hence all my probs remain killing me,,,and

> making

> me suffere,,,dam,,,i cant even live,,,im an outcast

> to

> ppl in my life,,,but im not gonna give up,,

>

> ok i take the e2 advice ,,,,,and tlk to my professor

> when i meet him,

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > To mesure Human Chorionic Gonadotropin it's just a

> > blood test. This is a cut and paste about it from

> > this link. It also has all the ranges for labs and

> > what is the best levels.

> >

>

http://www.lef.org/protocols/appendix/blood_testing_01.htm

> >

>

=======================================================

> > Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Beta Subunit,

> > Pregnancy This test is used to detect the beta

> > subunit of HCG, providing a sensitive, specific

> test

> > for the detection of early pregnancy, ectopic

> > pregnancy, or threatened abortion.

> >

>

=======================================================

> > I have never seen any ranges for hormones in the

> > AACE Guildlines. Here is a link to the AACE

> > Guildlines for Hypogonadism.

> >

>

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

> >

> > Getting your Estradiol down to 40 pmol/L is to low

> > in my units this puts you at 10 pg/ml the very

> > bottom of the range. I and others taking Arimidex

> > have gone this low and did not feel very good at

> > all. You would do better to try for 70 pmol/L this

> > is about 20 in my units here in the USA.

> >

> > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote:

> > How can you measure your Human chorionic

> > gonadotropin????? How can I a test to measure it?

> >

> > And does anyone have the AACE ranges for all the

> > hormones? As they seem to be the best...

> >

> > --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> >

> > > I don't think they get it 120pmol/L = in

> > pg/ml

> > > 35. And this is not all that high some do dam

> good

> > > at this level.

> > > http://www.globalrph.com/conv_si.htm#Epinephrine

> > > All you can do is what you do.

> > >

> > > chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> > > Quote

> > > Getting my E2 to lets

> > > say near 40, but not too low, could also help my

> > > problems.

> > > Unquote

> > >

> > > Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont

> listen

> > > not matter how

> > > many times or people tell you that.

> > >

> > > The information you have been given and the

> people

> > > helping you are

> > > awful.

> > >

> > > I did my best to try as did others it has not

> and

> > > will not work as

> > > your are not listening.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote:

-what causes GH (growth hormone) to be low????

-And i am askin on the testicle part (i.e if one

testicle is lost, so is the testosterone level

halved?), as both my testicles are small, but one is

very small, (my left one is small & my right one is

very small, by 2x or 3x smaller than my left one)

on my report of my " Testicular Ultrasound " it said:

" " " " The right testicle and the right epididymis are

reduced in size. The right testicle measures 2.78cm in

length and 1.49cm in maximum AP diameter. However, the

right testicle appears of normal homogeneous

echogenicity with no evidence of focal lesions or

diffuse parenchymal changes. Normal blood flow was

demostrated to the right testicle on colour Doppler.

The ultrasound appearances of the left epididymis and

the left testicle are normal. No abnormal fluid

collection is seen. There is no evidence of

varicocoele formation " " " "

So far, the genes and the ultrasound show something is

up with my hormones, which I believe it is, as I

slightly explained why in my last post. My left

testicle is not normal in size though and especially

my rigth testicle. so something is up with my hormones

as my genetic test and ultrasound test on the

testicles are normal.

it concerns me why r my testicles so small and why do

i only have 2% functional sperms though.......i am

going to get a doppler ultrasound with caverject to

see any damage to penis. and i need more on my

testicle and my groin areas to see any damage, as i

had undescended testicles and a herina.

So far, i am concluding something abnormal is going on

with my hormones, i.e. high LH, but borderline

Testosterone(and i am sick and tired of ppl sayin my t

is ok, it is not, i am 19! it is 498 in american

units, remember FOR MY AGE I SHOULD BE 900+)

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> You would need a test like, This is taken from Dr.

> 's site at www.allthingsmale.com in TRT: A

> Recipe for Success.

>

> • Total Testosterone

> • Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA " Free and Loosely

> Bound " )

> • Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is

> unavailable)

> • DHT

> • Estradiol (specify the Extraction Method, or

> " sensitive " assay for

> males)

> • LH

> • FSH

> • Prolactin

> • Cortisol

> • Thyroid Panel

> • CBC

> • Comprehensive Metabolic Panel

> • Lipid Profile

> • PSA (if over 40)

> If your testosterone is low and your Estradiol is

> good with your LH and FSH low this could mean you

> have a Pituitary Problem for making testosterone.

> To tell if your Pituitary is why your Cortisol

> levels are low you would need an ACTH Stim. test

> read this link on how this test is done and how to

> read it.

>

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=288

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> I believe my pituitary, adrenal and my

> thyroid is

> mashed up,,,and how can one know if one has

> hypogonadism by a specific test? and any one dont

> know

> of any usa hormone ranges known to be efficient,

>

> i need to get pituitary and adrenal and throid

> tested

> etc, hence all my probs remain killing me,,,and

> making

> me suffere,,,dam,,,i cant even live,,,im an outcast

> to

> ppl in my life,,,but im not gonna give up,,

>

> ok i take the e2 advice ,,,,,and tlk to my professor

> when i meet him,

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > To mesure Human Chorionic Gonadotropin it's just a

> > blood test. This is a cut and paste about it from

> > this link. It also has all the ranges for labs and

> > what is the best levels.

> >

>

http://www.lef.org/protocols/appendix/blood_testing_01.htm

> >

>

=======================================================

> > Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Beta Subunit,

> > Pregnancy This test is used to detect the beta

> > subunit of HCG, providing a sensitive, specific

> test

> > for the detection of early pregnancy, ectopic

> > pregnancy, or threatened abortion.

> >

>

=======================================================

> > I have never seen any ranges for hormones in the

> > AACE Guildlines. Here is a link to the AACE

> > Guildlines for Hypogonadism.

> >

>

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

> >

> > Getting your Estradiol down to 40 pmol/L is to low

> > in my units this puts you at 10 pg/ml the very

> > bottom of the range. I and others taking Arimidex

> > have gone this low and did not feel very good at

> > all. You would do better to try for 70 pmol/L this

> > is about 20 in my units here in the USA.

> >

> > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote:

> > How can you measure your Human chorionic

> > gonadotropin????? How can I a test to measure it?

> >

> > And does anyone have the AACE ranges for all the

> > hormones? As they seem to be the best...

> >

> > --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> >

> > > I don't think they get it 120pmol/L = in

> > pg/ml

> > > 35. And this is not all that high some do dam

> good

> > > at this level.

> > > http://www.globalrph.com/conv_si.htm#Epinephrine

> > > All you can do is what you do.

> > >

> > > chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> > > Quote

> > > Getting my E2 to lets

> > > say near 40, but not too low, could also help my

> > > problems.

> > > Unquote

> > >

> > > Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont

> listen

> > > not matter how

> > > many times or people tell you that.

> > >

> > > The information you have been given and the

> people

> > > helping you are

> > > awful.

> > >

> > > I did my best to try as did others it has not

> and

> > > will not work as

> > > your are not listening.

> > >

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" HCG will not help you your body makes a lot of LH and

HCG acts like LH. Your higher LH and FSH with your T

levels in the 400's tells me your body is asking for

more testosterone and your Testis can make more.

Your E2 is a little high and if your get it down to 70

from 120 you might feel better and your TT and FT

should go up some. "

Thnx for all your help. But what worries me is the

following:

My LH is very high, and that means my testosterone

should be near 900. In pubertal teens testosterone

should be peaking, but I come borderline. I am not an

adult or an older man, I am a young boy growing into a

man, so my testosterone should be on the higher end. I

turn out to be 498, about 200 higher than of old men's

level. this is odd. on top, what is also odd, if my LH

is high, then why is my T not high? You said, my

higher LH and FSH with my T levels in the 400's tells

you that my body is asking for more testosterone and

my Testis 'can' make more. Ok, but again, due to my

age, and being a pubertal teen I should hit 900. on

top, why is it that my testicles are small??? I also

do not have many functional sperms, only 2%! This

strikes a serious issue. And my LH is high, so why not

my T? Something else is going on, and I need an mri of

my glands and further testing.

But to clarify, could it be that my E2 being at 120 is

not healthy FOR ME. And that 'high' E2 causes,

testicle shrinkage, sperm count to be very low,

prevents penile growth, and stops erections and

decreases orgasm volume.

HCG is used to increase sperm count and testicle

volume. It produces LH to produce T, eventually

causing a rise in sperm count and an increase in

testicular size.

But, I already have high LH as you say, BUT, my

TESTOSTERONE IS IN THE NORMAL RANGE, BUT REMEMBER I AM

A YOUNG GUY, I AM NOT LIKE THE OTHER GUY'S ON THIS

GROUP, AND A PUBERTAL TEEN LIKE ME SHOULD BE ON 900.

The concern is, if my LH is high, what is going on

with my sperm count and testicle volume?

Could it be that my main problem for ME ME ME, is the

E2? As I am 120, if i go to 60ish, I could work

better, and then less of my T will not be antagonized

by the E2.

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> I don't know how much more we can help you. Here is

> a chart showing avg. levels of testosterone in a man

> over 24 hrs. They peek at about just over 400. I

> hope it opens for you.

>

al-daily-testosterone-testosterone-20levels-20over

> A lot of the questions your asking we here is the

> US can't help you with in the UK but you can go and

> post this at this site in the UK.

>

http://www.andropause.org.uk/newforum/forum_frameset.htm

> HCG will not help you your body makes a lot of LH

> and HCG acts like LH.

> Your higher LH and FSH with your T levels in the

> 400's tells me your body is asking for more

> testosterone and your Testis can make more.

> Your E2 is a little high and if your get it down

> to 70 from 120 you might feel better and your TT and

> FT should go up some.

>

> Your Cortisol is very low and you need to do more

> testing on it.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> My results in the American Units:

>

> TSH 1.42 mIU/L

> Free T4 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L (UK unit)

> FSH 6.8 mIU/mL

> LH 7.7 lU/L

> Oestradiol 32.7 pg/mL

> Prolactin 4.94 µg/L

> Testosterone 478 ng/dL

> 17 OH-Progesterone 0.84 ng/mL

> Androstenedione 90.5 ng/dL

> Cortisol (Rdm) 7.4 µg/dL

>

> IgF 1 785 (197-956) ng/ml (UK unit)

> Binding Protein 3 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L (UK unit)

>

> HGH came too low! Serum growth hormone = 0.1 ml.U/L

> (0.0 - 10.0) Supplementary Result (UK unit)

>

> Do I need anything else extra to test for within

> this

> test? On top MY GENETICS HAVE COME OUT TO BE NORMAL!

> MY GENETICAL TESTING IS NORMAL, WHICH IS A GOOD

> SIGN.

> (i will get my other testin this tues on my genes

> too)

>

> Now I am off ratio as my GH could be most likely

> LOW,

> but need more tests, but the simple test gives

> reason

> to my off ratio body. Also LOW Testosterone causes

> the

> LONG ARMS AND LEGS TO GROW. My testosterone is

> borderline and someone my age should be above

> 900ng/dL, not at 478ng/dL! On top, if someone has

> high

> LH, there TESTOSTERONE should be high too??? I have

> high LH, so why are my testicles still small and why

> do I only have 2% functional sperms??????? Also I

> shld

> be on 10.0 for my GH level in order to develop once

> on

> HGH, need more tests though. And can anyone explain

> what causes low GH?? on top, if one testicle is

> lost,

> does it mean the Testosterone level halves???

>

> Also I had a hernia operation and undescended

> testicles. I had an ultrasound and it showed my

> testicles are fine! But I need a proper examination,

> can anyone recommend any tests? I am also getting a

> Doppler Study with Caverject done to see for any

> physical damage. CAN ANYONE NAME ME THE TESTS DONE

> TO

> CHECK FOR ANY CONDUCTIVE BLOOD LOSS WITH ELECTRICAL

> NERVE TRACINGS AS AN EXAMPLE? FOR MY GROINS AND MY

> TESTICLES AS WELL AS MY PENIS, I NEED A FULL

> CHECKUP.

>

> As my genetics are normal, can I still have some

> form

> of hypogonadism???? How can I test/check for which

> form of hypogonadism i av???? My t is borderline I

> need it to be above 900 (as my reason above explains

> partly why i.e. long arms and boyd my age shld be

> high

> not just above the t level of older men), my e2 is

> 120

> in the UK units, it would be better to get it at 60

> to

> 70 in the UK units (high e2 causes testicle

> shrinkage

> and my penis etc have not developed from as far as i

> can remember age 10 and 11, which also explains on

> hormonial probs >>> but also I need HGH too to help

> me

> grow my off ratio spine within the next 6 years (i

> am

> 19). CAN ANYONE GIVE ME A RX DETAIL on how and what

> dose I should take and how regularly etc please for

> HGH???? Can someone also tell me HOW I CAN USE HCG

> TOO

> (AS I DO HAVE TINY TESTICLES and 2% sperm count)??

> And

> also an RX for Testosterone therapy too??? use my

> case

> and my results as a guide, so i can show it to my

> proffesor (who is paediatric and adoloscence

> endocrinologist)

>

> I am going to take all this information to my

> professor, and use it as a guide to help solve my

> case.

>

> Summary:

>

> -T is not where it should be for a 19 year old,

> -E2 is a little bit high

> -LH is high, causing a concern why am I only 2%

> sperm

> functional and why are testicles small, and why is

> Testosterone still low, as HIGH LH should produce

> MORE

> Testosterone (hcg is used to boost t, but it boosts

> LH

> to boost t, and my LH is high, but T normal,

> something

> is going on???)

> -Need RX for HGH & HCG (and even perhaps T therapy,

> but the cause of why t is borderline and LH is high

> needs to be found too, but any RX detail on T

> therapy

> will help me a lot,,)

> -Names for physical examination on groins, penis and

> testicles.

> -Can I still have some form of hypogonadism,??? &

> how

> can i check/test for which type of hypogonadism i

> av????

> -Any extra tests I need for my whole case and

> endocrine aspect, (I have some already i.e. ITT,

> SHBG,

> Free testosterone, ACTH Stim and saliva test through

> the adrenal stress level test, that i got from this

> group, thnx every1 xx) > any more?

> -Any particular Testosterone testing and its types

> that need to be checked for?

> -if one testicle is lost, does it mean the

> Testosterone level halves???

>

> NOTE: MY CASE IS DIFFERENT. I AM A TEEN GROWING INTO

> A

> MAN, I AM NOT YET A FULLY DEVELOPED ADULT. SO MY

> CASE

> IS A LOT DIFFERENT...

>

> NOTE: I AM TAKING THIS TO MY PROFESSOR IN 2 WEEKS

> TIME, TO TALK AND DISCUSS WITH MY PROBLEM AND USE IT

> AS AN EXAMPLE, GUIDANCE, etc etc TO HELP SOLVE MY

> CASE.

>

> extra: when i find anything cute, my chews itself,

> it

> is not deliberate but it happens on top my cheeks

> get

> tired and all cuddly etc, this is not deliberate, it

> happens autmoatically on the word go!

>

> May someone please answer to my queires, so i can

> add

> it to my file and use it to help solve my prob with

> professional guidance with my proffersor. thnx x.

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > You would need a test like, This is taken from Dr.

> > 's site at www.allthingsmale.com in TRT: A

> > Recipe for Success.

> >

> > • Total Testosterone

> > • Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA " Free and Loosely

> > Bound " )

> > • Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is

> > unavailable)

> > • DHT

> > • Estradiol (specify the Extraction Method, or

> > " sensitive " assay for

> > males)

> > • LH

> > • FSH

> > • Prolactin

> > • Cortisol

> > • Thyroid Panel

> > • CBC

> > • Comprehensive Metabolic Panel

>

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could you at least give some guidance to my questions

please. especially how to know > how to find out by

tests etc if I have some form of hypogonadism. >>> but

do my hormone results that I have posted, show I do

not have any form hypogonadism?????

i do av mega mini mini breasts, and on top I love

kids, and on top, I am quite feminine. and my hips are

slightly feministic...

thnx. x

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> This guy at this site is up big time on testis.

>

-134256483.html

> His nick is Megazoid post to him send him a PM.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> -what causes GH (growth hormone) to be

> low????

> -And i am askin on the testicle part (i.e if one

> testicle is lost, so is the testosterone level

> halved?), as both my testicles are small, but one is

> very small, (my left one is small & my right one is

> very small, by 2x or 3x smaller than my left one)

>

> on my report of my " Testicular Ultrasound " it said:

>

> " " " " The right testicle and the right epididymis are

> reduced in size. The right testicle measures 2.78cm

> in

> length and 1.49cm in maximum AP diameter. However,

> the

> right testicle appears of normal homogeneous

> echogenicity with no evidence of focal lesions or

> diffuse parenchymal changes. Normal blood flow was

> demostrated to the right testicle on colour Doppler.

>

> The ultrasound appearances of the left epididymis

> and

> the left testicle are normal. No abnormal fluid

> collection is seen. There is no evidence of

> varicocoele formation " " " "

>

> So far, the genes and the ultrasound show something

> is

> up with my hormones, which I believe it is, as I

> slightly explained why in my last post. My left

> testicle is not normal in size though and especially

> my rigth testicle. so something is up with my

> hormones

> as my genetic test and ultrasound test on the

> testicles are normal.

>

> it concerns me why r my testicles so small and why

> do

> i only have 2% functional sperms though.......i am

> going to get a doppler ultrasound with caverject to

> see any damage to penis. and i need more on my

> testicle and my groin areas to see any damage, as i

> had undescended testicles and a herina.

>

> So far, i am concluding something abnormal is going

> on

> with my hormones, i.e. high LH, but borderline

> Testosterone(and i am sick and tired of ppl sayin my

> t

> is ok, it is not, i am 19! it is 498 in american

> units, remember FOR MY AGE I SHOULD BE 900+)

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > You would need a test like, This is taken from Dr.

> > 's site at www.allthingsmale.com in TRT: A

> > Recipe for Success.

> >

> > • Total Testosterone

> > • Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA " Free and Loosely

> > Bound " )

> > • Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is

> > unavailable)

> > • DHT

> > • Estradiol (specify the Extraction Method, or

> > " sensitive " assay for

> > males)

> > • LH

> > • FSH

> > • Prolactin

> > • Cortisol

> > • Thyroid Panel

> > • CBC

> > • Comprehensive Metabolic Panel

> > • Lipid Profile

> > • PSA (if over 40)

> > If your testosterone is low and your Estradiol is

> > good with your LH and FSH low this could mean you

> > have a Pituitary Problem for making testosterone.

> > To tell if your Pituitary is why your Cortisol

> > levels are low you would need an ACTH Stim. test

> > read this link on how this test is done and how to

> > read it.

> >

>

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=288

> >

> > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote:

> > I believe my pituitary, adrenal and my

> > thyroid is

> > mashed up,,,and how can one know if one has

> > hypogonadism by a specific test? and any one dont

> > know

> > of any usa hormone ranges known to be efficient,

> >

> > i need to get pituitary and adrenal and throid

> > tested

> > etc, hence all my probs remain killing me,,,and

> > making

> > me suffere,,,dam,,,i cant even live,,,im an

> outcast

> > to

> > ppl in my life,,,but im not gonna give up,,

> >

> > ok i take the e2 advice ,,,,,and tlk to my

> professor

> > when i meet him,

> >

> > --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> >

> > > To mesure Human Chorionic Gonadotropin it's just

> a

> > > blood test. This is a cut and paste about it

> from

> > > this link. It also has all the ranges for labs

> and

> > > what is the best levels.

> > >

> >

>

http://www.lef.org/protocols/appendix/blood_testing_01.htm

> > >

> >

>

=======================================================

> > > Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Beta Subunit,

> > > Pregnancy This test is used to detect the beta

> > > subunit of HCG, providing a sensitive, specific

> > test

> > > for the detection of early pregnancy, ectopic

> > > pregnancy, or threatened abortion.

> > >

> >

>

=======================================================

> > > I have never seen any ranges for hormones in the

> > > AACE Guildlines. Here is a link to the AACE

> > > Guildlines for Hypogonadism.

> > >

> >

>

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

> > >

> > > Getting your Estradiol down to 40 pmol/L is to

> low

> > > in my units this puts you at 10 pg/ml the very

> > > bottom of the range. I and others taking

> Arimidex

> > > have gone this low and did not feel very good at

> > > all. You would do better to try for 70 pmol/L

> this

> > > is about 20 in my units here in the USA.

> > >

> > > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > > wrote:

> > > How can you measure your Human chorionic

> > > gonadotropin????? How can I a test to measure

> it?

> > >

> > > And does anyone have the AACE ranges for all the

> > > hormones? As they seem to be the best...

> > >

> > > --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > I don't think they get it 120pmol/L = in

> > > pg/ml

> > > > 35. And this is not all that high some do dam

> > good

> > > > at this level.

> > > >

> http://www.globalrph.com/conv_si.htm#Epinephrine

> > > > All you can do is what you do.

> > > >

> > > > chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> > > > Quote

> > > > Getting my E2 to lets

> > > > say near 40, but not too low, could also help

> my

> > > > problems.

> > > > Unquote

> > > >

> > > > Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont

> > listen

> > > > not matter how

> > > > many times or people tell you that.

> > > >

> > > > The information you have been given and the

> > people

> > > > helping you are

> > > > awful.

> > > >

> > > > I did my best to try as did others it has not

>

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