Re: Only 18 and trying too hard to get the treatment I need ASAP.

[Guest guest]

YOu don't mention your doctor's diagnosis. What you are describing

sounds very much like Klinefelter's syndrome. Has anyone spoken to you

about that?

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:31:26 -0000, you wrote:

>Summary:

>

>I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity and my sexual organs, I

>have had a delay in development. And my hormones are not normal for

>an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional delay///My growth ratio

>is very off, my trunk (mid-section/body/spine) is 4 inches short.

>Making my arms and legs as long as a person who is 6ft2, whilst I am

>only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer than my height///I lack

>primary sexual development and have not had any growth since 11 years

>of age///I have very little sexual function and I have not developed

>secondary sexual characteristics///My testicles are small and so is

>my penis, and I have never had an erection in my life///I have had

>hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by a factor of 2 and

>marginal testosterone levels///I was able to do a fertility test, and

>it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of sperms only work), my

>spermogensis is marginal.

>

>Problem:

>

>The UK ranges are incorrect according to the USA ranges. One medical

>organization known as AACE has proven to have the most accurate

>ranges. So far my specialists have denied me treatment despite my

>shocking problems. They have given me treatments, which are very

>basic i.e. Testosterone shots only. I had one shot, which should be

>effective for a month, and it did not work at all. I think I have met

>a decent doctor after all, who said to my GP, I need scans and long

>term treatment, so he made a special request to get to see me ASAP.

>He moved me from private to on the NHS. His name is Professor Mehul

>Tulsidas Dattani.

>

>I need:

>

>-HGH (human growth hormone) or also known as GH (growth hormone)> to

>cause trunk (spine) growth.

>-HCG or also known as rHCG > to cause sperm and testicle growth.

>-E2 Suppressor > to cause sperm, testicle, penis and masculine growth

>(to keep the female hormone E2 down and maintained).

>-Testosterone shots > to maximise my growth.

>-To try Caverject and see if it works > to see if I have nerve

>problems with my penis or not.

>

>1/ Will be used for 2-4 years, used daily. (Until real growth is seen

>i.e. trunk growth I will continue using it).

>

>a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

>a) rHGH 0.6 IU c) 31 d) QD

>

>Note: Adjust dose according to growth response, monitor IGF-1,

>maintain levels at maximum tolerable levels for 6 months, if growth

>goals are not progressing, discontinue treatment.

>

>2/ Will be used for 6 months, used daily. (Within this time,

>hopefully the doctor should have nuked the source that over produces

>the E2, female hormone, which can be found from MRI and ultrasound

>scans).

>

>a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

>a) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 500IU c) 60 d) BID

>

>Note: Separate dosages by 12 hours, adjust up or down according to

>resultant serum testosterone levelsBrands: A.P.L., Chorex-10, Chorex-

>5, Choron-10, Gonic, Novarel, Ovidrel, Pregnyl, ProfasiPharmacy allow

>syringes compatible with medication.

>

>3/ Will be used to maintain the E2. (Will be stopped if the source of

>the E2 over production can be nuked).

>

>a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

>a) Tamoxifen 20mg c) 17 d) notes

>a) Tamoxifen 10mg c) 12 d) notes

>

>Notes: Begin 40mg per day until the symptoms abate, and then taper to

>20 mg QD for 3 days, then 10mg 3 days, then 5mg QD. Use accurate Pill

>cutter for 10mg pills.

>

>4/ No idea on testosterone shots yet, as they will be used to

>maximise the growth during along with the other treatments. So blood

>tests will be needed to see how much of testosterone I do need to

>keep me growing, until eventually my E2 source is nuked, and the HCG

>helps my testicles to develop. The doctor should calculate how much

>Testosterone it will require to max me out whilst I am on my

>treatment. Testosterone should rise all by itself once the high E2 is

>down

>

>Final:

>

>My natural growth years are almost finished, I still have a chance

>and I am not giving up. My growth was messed up so I have to

>minuplulate my system into thinking I am a growing child again.

>People can grow upto the age of 24. I will need penile and scrotal

>ultrasounds, and blood vessel and blood flow checks on my penis and

>groin and testicles, to see if I have any PHYSICAL damage. If I do, I

>also need to see a special urologist too. The caverject should help

>answer that too. If it works, then it is a good sign there is no

>physical problem. So far, Cialis and Muse 1000 have not made me

>erect. I will need an enodcrine scan, and my problem could be related

>to my pituitary. I am a twin with a sister, so I may have an ovary,

>so I need an abdominal ultrasound to make sure. Never having

>erections is very rare and bizarre. I know I need a lot of MRI scans,

>and even treatment if any are not working how they should be.

>

>Thank you for taking your time to read this...If you can offer any

>real help, and knowledgeable information please help me...Thnx. All

>this detail and medication is from my research and help from an

>American pharmoseutical researcher...he is 100% sure this treatment

>wil work, and has seen it in different cases, from the AACE medical

>treatments. He has also given me a forum, where people similar

>to me, have been diagnosed and treated far better than what the

>average specialist has said. Thank you for reading...x.. It is so

>hard, I am terrified but yet determined.

[Guest guest]

be strong and persevere. I'm afraid this one is way too complicated for me to

comment.

brownsaucylicious <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote: Summary:

I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity and my sexual organs, I

have had a delay in development. And my hormones are not normal for

an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional delay///My growth ratio

is very off, my trunk (mid-section/body/spine) is 4 inches short.

Making my arms and legs as long as a person who is 6ft2, whilst I am

only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer than my height///I lack

primary sexual development and have not had any growth since 11 years

of age///I have very little sexual function and I have not developed

secondary sexual characteristics///My testicles are small and so is

my penis, and I have never had an erection in my life///I have had

hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by a factor of 2 and

marginal testosterone levels///I was able to do a fertility test, and

it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of sperms only work), my

spermogensis is marginal.

Problem:

The UK ranges are incorrect according to the USA ranges. One medical

organization known as AACE has proven to have the most accurate

ranges. So far my specialists have denied me treatment despite my

shocking problems. They have given me treatments, which are very

basic i.e. Testosterone shots only. I had one shot, which should be

effective for a month, and it did not work at all. I think I have met

a decent doctor after all, who said to my GP, I need scans and long

term treatment, so he made a special request to get to see me ASAP.

He moved me from private to on the NHS. His name is Professor Mehul

Tulsidas Dattani.

I need:

-HGH (human growth hormone) or also known as GH (growth hormone)> to

cause trunk (spine) growth.

-HCG or also known as rHCG > to cause sperm and testicle growth.

-E2 Suppressor > to cause sperm, testicle, penis and masculine growth

(to keep the female hormone E2 down and maintained).

-Testosterone shots > to maximise my growth.

-To try Caverject and see if it works > to see if I have nerve

problems with my penis or not.

1/ Will be used for 2-4 years, used daily. (Until real growth is seen

i.e. trunk growth I will continue using it).

a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

a) rHGH 0.6 IU c) 31 d) QD

Note: Adjust dose according to growth response, monitor IGF-1,

maintain levels at maximum tolerable levels for 6 months, if growth

goals are not progressing, discontinue treatment.

2/ Will be used for 6 months, used daily. (Within this time,

hopefully the doctor should have nuked the source that over produces

the E2, female hormone, which can be found from MRI and ultrasound

scans).

a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

a) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 500IU c) 60 d) BID

Note: Separate dosages by 12 hours, adjust up or down according to

resultant serum testosterone levelsBrands: A.P.L., Chorex-10, Chorex-

5, Choron-10, Gonic, Novarel, Ovidrel, Pregnyl, ProfasiPharmacy allow

syringes compatible with medication.

3/ Will be used to maintain the E2. (Will be stopped if the source of

the E2 over production can be nuked).

a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

a) Tamoxifen 20mg c) 17 d) notes

a) Tamoxifen 10mg c) 12 d) notes

Notes: Begin 40mg per day until the symptoms abate, and then taper to

20 mg QD for 3 days, then 10mg 3 days, then 5mg QD. Use accurate Pill

cutter for 10mg pills.

4/ No idea on testosterone shots yet, as they will be used to

maximise the growth during along with the other treatments. So blood

tests will be needed to see how much of testosterone I do need to

keep me growing, until eventually my E2 source is nuked, and the HCG

helps my testicles to develop. The doctor should calculate how much

Testosterone it will require to max me out whilst I am on my

treatment. Testosterone should rise all by itself once the high E2 is

down

Final:

My natural growth years are almost finished, I still have a chance

and I am not giving up. My growth was messed up so I have to

minuplulate my system into thinking I am a growing child again.

People can grow upto the age of 24. I will need penile and scrotal

ultrasounds, and blood vessel and blood flow checks on my penis and

groin and testicles, to see if I have any PHYSICAL damage. If I do, I

also need to see a special urologist too. The caverject should help

answer that too. If it works, then it is a good sign there is no

physical problem. So far, Cialis and Muse 1000 have not made me

erect. I will need an enodcrine scan, and my problem could be related

to my pituitary. I am a twin with a sister, so I may have an ovary,

so I need an abdominal ultrasound to make sure. Never having

erections is very rare and bizarre. I know I need a lot of MRI scans,

and even treatment if any are not working how they should be.

Thank you for taking your time to read this...If you can offer any

real help, and knowledgeable information please help me...Thnx. All

this detail and medication is from my research and help from an

American pharmoseutical researcher...he is 100% sure this treatment

wil work, and has seen it in different cases, from the AACE medical

treatments. He has also given me a forum, where people similar

to me, have been diagnosed and treated far better than what the

average specialist has said. Thank you for reading...x.. It is so

hard, I am terrified but yet determined.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi brownsauchylicious and welcome we have a few men like you it's called

Klinefelters Syndrome.

Here is a link to support that should help you more.

http://www.xxytalk.com/fusionbb/portal/index.php

When you said " I need: " is the Professor Mehul Tulsdas Dattani. Getting you

what your need.

brownsaucylicious <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote: Summary:

I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity and my sexual organs, I

have had a delay in development. And my hormones are not normal for

an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional delay///My growth ratio

is very off, my trunk (mid-section/body/spine) is 4 inches short.

Making my arms and legs as long as a person who is 6ft2, whilst I am

only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer than my height///I lack

primary sexual development and have not had any growth since 11 years

of age///I have very little sexual function and I have not developed

secondary sexual characteristics///My testicles are small and so is

my penis, and I have never had an erection in my life///I have had

hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by a factor of 2 and

marginal testosterone levels///I was able to do a fertility test, and

it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of sperms only work), my

spermogensis is marginal.

Problem:

The UK ranges are incorrect according to the USA ranges. One medical

organization known as AACE has proven to have the most accurate

ranges. So far my specialists have denied me treatment despite my

shocking problems. They have given me treatments, which are very

basic i.e. Testosterone shots only. I had one shot, which should be

effective for a month, and it did not work at all. I think I have met

a decent doctor after all, who said to my GP, I need scans and long

term treatment, so he made a special request to get to see me ASAP.

He moved me from private to on the NHS. His name is Professor Mehul

Tulsidas Dattani.

I need:

-HGH (human growth hormone) or also known as GH (growth hormone)> to

cause trunk (spine) growth.

-HCG or also known as rHCG > to cause sperm and testicle growth.

-E2 Suppressor > to cause sperm, testicle, penis and masculine growth

(to keep the female hormone E2 down and maintained).

-Testosterone shots > to maximise my growth.

-To try Caverject and see if it works > to see if I have nerve

problems with my penis or not.

1/ Will be used for 2-4 years, used daily. (Until real growth is seen

i.e. trunk growth I will continue using it).

a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

a) rHGH 0.6 IU c) 31 d) QD

Note: Adjust dose according to growth response, monitor IGF-1,

maintain levels at maximum tolerable levels for 6 months, if growth

goals are not progressing, discontinue treatment.

2/ Will be used for 6 months, used daily. (Within this time,

hopefully the doctor should have nuked the source that over produces

the E2, female hormone, which can be found from MRI and ultrasound

scans).

a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

a) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 500IU c) 60 d) BID

Note: Separate dosages by 12 hours, adjust up or down according to

resultant serum testosterone levelsBrands: A.P.L., Chorex-10, Chorex-

5, Choron-10, Gonic, Novarel, Ovidrel, Pregnyl, ProfasiPharmacy allow

syringes compatible with medication.

3/ Will be used to maintain the E2. (Will be stopped if the source of

the E2 over production can be nuked).

a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

a) Tamoxifen 20mg c) 17 d) notes

a) Tamoxifen 10mg c) 12 d) notes

Notes: Begin 40mg per day until the symptoms abate, and then taper to

20 mg QD for 3 days, then 10mg 3 days, then 5mg QD. Use accurate Pill

cutter for 10mg pills.

4/ No idea on testosterone shots yet, as they will be used to

maximise the growth during along with the other treatments. So blood

tests will be needed to see how much of testosterone I do need to

keep me growing, until eventually my E2 source is nuked, and the HCG

helps my testicles to develop. The doctor should calculate how much

Testosterone it will require to max me out whilst I am on my

treatment. Testosterone should rise all by itself once the high E2 is

down

Final:

My natural growth years are almost finished, I still have a chance

and I am not giving up. My growth was messed up so I have to

minuplulate my system into thinking I am a growing child again.

People can grow upto the age of 24. I will need penile and scrotal

ultrasounds, and blood vessel and blood flow checks on my penis and

groin and testicles, to see if I have any PHYSICAL damage. If I do, I

also need to see a special urologist too. The caverject should help

answer that too. If it works, then it is a good sign there is no

physical problem. So far, Cialis and Muse 1000 have not made me

erect. I will need an enodcrine scan, and my problem could be related

to my pituitary. I am a twin with a sister, so I may have an ovary,

so I need an abdominal ultrasound to make sure. Never having

erections is very rare and bizarre. I know I need a lot of MRI scans,

and even treatment if any are not working how they should be.

Thank you for taking your time to read this...If you can offer any

real help, and knowledgeable information please help me...Thnx. All

this detail and medication is from my research and help from an

American pharmoseutical researcher...he is 100% sure this treatment

wil work, and has seen it in different cases, from the AACE medical

treatments. He has also given me a forum, where people similar

to me, have been diagnosed and treated far better than what the

average specialist has said. Thank you for reading...x.. It is so

hard, I am terrified but yet determined.

Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. "

Phil

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I have no learning difficulties, but I can put on

muscle if I train a bit, but not how could have done.

I am infact very bright, and intelligent. So I am not

sure if it is Klinefilter's syndrome.

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Hi brownsauchylicious and welcome we have a few men

> like you it's called Klinefelters Syndrome.

>

> Here is a link to support that should help you

> more.

> http://www.xxytalk.com/fusionbb/portal/index.php

>

> When you said " I need: " is the Professor Mehul

> Tulsdas Dattani. Getting you what your need.

>

>

> brownsaucylicious <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote: Summary:

>

> I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity and my

> sexual organs, I

> have had a delay in development. And my hormones are

> not normal for

> an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional

> delay///My growth ratio

> is very off, my trunk (mid-section/body/spine) is 4

> inches short.

> Making my arms and legs as long as a person who is

> 6ft2, whilst I am

> only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer than my

> height///I lack

> primary sexual development and have not had any

> growth since 11 years

> of age///I have very little sexual function and I

> have not developed

> secondary sexual characteristics///My testicles are

> small and so is

> my penis, and I have never had an erection in my

> life///I have had

> hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by a

> factor of 2 and

> marginal testosterone levels///I was able to do a

> fertility test, and

> it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of sperms only

> work), my

> spermogensis is marginal.

>

> Problem:

>

> The UK ranges are incorrect according to the USA

> ranges. One medical

> organization known as AACE has proven to have the

> most accurate

> ranges. So far my specialists have denied me

> treatment despite my

> shocking problems. They have given me treatments,

> which are very

> basic i.e. Testosterone shots only. I had one shot,

> which should be

> effective for a month, and it did not work at all. I

> think I have met

> a decent doctor after all, who said to my GP, I need

> scans and long

> term treatment, so he made a special request to get

> to see me ASAP.

> He moved me from private to on the NHS. His name is

> Professor Mehul

> Tulsidas Dattani.

>

> I need:

>

> -HGH (human growth hormone) or also known as GH

> (growth hormone)> to

> cause trunk (spine) growth.

> -HCG or also known as rHCG > to cause sperm and

> testicle growth.

> -E2 Suppressor > to cause sperm, testicle, penis and

> masculine growth

> (to keep the female hormone E2 down and maintained).

>

> -Testosterone shots > to maximise my growth.

> -To try Caverject and see if it works > to see if I

> have nerve

> problems with my penis or not.

>

> 1/ Will be used for 2-4 years, used daily. (Until

> real growth is seen

> i.e. trunk growth I will continue using it).

>

> a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> a) rHGH 0.6 IU c) 31 d) QD

>

> Note: Adjust dose according to growth response,

> monitor IGF-1,

> maintain levels at maximum tolerable levels for 6

> months, if growth

> goals are not progressing, discontinue treatment.

>

> 2/ Will be used for 6 months, used daily. (Within

> this time,

> hopefully the doctor should have nuked the source

> that over produces

> the E2, female hormone, which can be found from MRI

> and ultrasound

> scans).

>

> a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> a) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 500IU c) 60 d)

> BID

>

> Note: Separate dosages by 12 hours, adjust up or

> down according to

> resultant serum testosterone levelsBrands: A.P.L.,

> Chorex-10, Chorex-

> 5, Choron-10, Gonic, Novarel, Ovidrel, Pregnyl,

> ProfasiPharmacy allow

> syringes compatible with medication.

>

> 3/ Will be used to maintain the E2. (Will be stopped

> if the source of

> the E2 over production can be nuked).

>

> a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> a) Tamoxifen 20mg c) 17 d) notes

> a) Tamoxifen 10mg c) 12 d) notes

>

> Notes: Begin 40mg per day until the symptoms abate,

> and then taper to

> 20 mg QD for 3 days, then 10mg 3 days, then 5mg QD.

> Use accurate Pill

> cutter for 10mg pills.

>

> 4/ No idea on testosterone shots yet, as they will

> be used to

> maximise the growth during along with the other

> treatments. So blood

> tests will be needed to see how much of testosterone

> I do need to

> keep me growing, until eventually my E2 source is

> nuked, and the HCG

> helps my testicles to develop. The doctor should

> calculate how much

> Testosterone it will require to max me out whilst I

> am on my

> treatment. Testosterone should rise all by itself

> once the high E2 is

> down

>

> Final:

>

> My natural growth years are almost finished, I still

> have a chance

> and I am not giving up. My growth was messed up so I

> have to

> minuplulate my system into thinking I am a growing

> child again.

> People can grow upto the age of 24. I will need

> penile and scrotal

> ultrasounds, and blood vessel and blood flow checks

> on my penis and

> groin and testicles, to see if I have any PHYSICAL

> damage. If I do, I

> also need to see a special urologist too. The

> caverject should help

> answer that too. If it works, then it is a good sign

> there is no

> physical problem. So far, Cialis and Muse 1000 have

> not made me

> erect. I will need an enodcrine scan, and my problem

> could be related

> to my pituitary. I am a twin with a sister, so I may

> have an ovary,

> so I need an abdominal ultrasound to make sure.

> Never having

> erections is very rare and bizarre. I know I need a

> lot of MRI scans,

> and even treatment if any are not working how they

> should be.

>

> Thank you for taking your time to read this...If you

> can offer any

> real help, and knowledgeable information please help

> me...Thnx. All

> this detail and medication is from my research and

> help from an

> American pharmoseutical researcher...he is 100% sure

> this treatment

> wil work, and has seen it in different cases, from

> the AACE medical

> treatments. He has also given me a forum,

> where people similar

> to me, have been diagnosed and treated far better

> than what the

> average specialist has said. Thank you for

> reading...x.. It is so

> hard, I am terrified but yet determined.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and

> only half of what you see. "

> Phil

> __________________________________________________

>

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___________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

(TSH) 1.42 (0.27-4.20) mU/L

(Free T4) 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L

(FSH) 6.8 (1.5-11.4) U/L

(LH) 7.7 (1.7-8.6) U/L

(Oestradiol) 120 (28-156) pmol/l

(Prolactin) 215 (86-324) IU/ml

(Testosterone) 16.6 (9.9-27.8 ) nmol/l

(17 OH-Progesterone) 2.66 (0.90-10.00) nmol//l

(Androstenedione) 3.16 (0.68-10.00) nmol/L

*Cortisol (Rdm)* 204 nmol/L

(IgF 1) 785 (197-956) ng/ml

(Binding Protein 3) 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L

These were my endocrine results. The UK doctors keep

saying I am normal depsite my problems standing out so

clear! With the USA ranges, I am not normal.

My HGH came too low!

Serum growth hormone = 0.1 ml.U/L (0.0 - 10.0)

Supplementary Result

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Hi brownsauchylicious and welcome we have a few men

> like you it's called Klinefelters Syndrome.

>

> Here is a link to support that should help you

> more.

> http://www.xxytalk.com/fusionbb/portal/index.php

>

> When you said " I need: " is the Professor Mehul

> Tulsdas Dattani. Getting you what your need.

>

>

> brownsaucylicious <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote: Summary:

>

> I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity and my

> sexual organs, I

> have had a delay in development. And my hormones are

> not normal for

> an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional

> delay///My growth ratio

> is very off, my trunk (mid-section/body/spine) is 4

> inches short.

> Making my arms and legs as long as a person who is

> 6ft2, whilst I am

> only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer than my

> height///I lack

> primary sexual development and have not had any

> growth since 11 years

> of age///I have very little sexual function and I

> have not developed

> secondary sexual characteristics///My testicles are

> small and so is

> my penis, and I have never had an erection in my

> life///I have had

> hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by a

> factor of 2 and

> marginal testosterone levels///I was able to do a

> fertility test, and

> it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of sperms only

> work), my

> spermogensis is marginal.

>

> Problem:

>

> The UK ranges are incorrect according to the USA

> ranges. One medical

> organization known as AACE has proven to have the

> most accurate

> ranges. So far my specialists have denied me

> treatment despite my

> shocking problems. They have given me treatments,

> which are very

> basic i.e. Testosterone shots only. I had one shot,

> which should be

> effective for a month, and it did not work at all. I

> think I have met

> a decent doctor after all, who said to my GP, I need

> scans and long

> term treatment, so he made a special request to get

> to see me ASAP.

> He moved me from private to on the NHS. His name is

> Professor Mehul

> Tulsidas Dattani.

>

> I need:

>

> -HGH (human growth hormone) or also known as GH

> (growth hormone)> to

> cause trunk (spine) growth.

> -HCG or also known as rHCG > to cause sperm and

> testicle growth.

> -E2 Suppressor > to cause sperm, testicle, penis and

> masculine growth

> (to keep the female hormone E2 down and maintained).

>

> -Testosterone shots > to maximise my growth.

> -To try Caverject and see if it works > to see if I

> have nerve

> problems with my penis or not.

>

> 1/ Will be used for 2-4 years, used daily. (Until

> real growth is seen

> i.e. trunk growth I will continue using it).

>

> a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> a) rHGH 0.6 IU c) 31 d) QD

>

> Note: Adjust dose according to growth response,

> monitor IGF-1,

> maintain levels at maximum tolerable levels for 6

> months, if growth

> goals are not progressing, discontinue treatment.

>

> 2/ Will be used for 6 months, used daily. (Within

> this time,

> hopefully the doctor should have nuked the source

> that over produces

> the E2, female hormone, which can be found from MRI

> and ultrasound

> scans).

>

> a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> a) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 500IU c) 60 d)

> BID

>

> Note: Separate dosages by 12 hours, adjust up or

> down according to

> resultant serum testosterone levelsBrands: A.P.L.,

> Chorex-10, Chorex-

> 5, Choron-10, Gonic, Novarel, Ovidrel, Pregnyl,

> ProfasiPharmacy allow

> syringes compatible with medication.

>

> 3/ Will be used to maintain the E2. (Will be stopped

> if the source of

> the E2 over production can be nuked).

>

> a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> a) Tamoxifen 20mg c) 17 d) notes

> a) Tamoxifen 10mg c) 12 d) notes

>

> Notes: Begin 40mg per day until the symptoms abate,

> and then taper to

> 20 mg QD for 3 days, then 10mg 3 days, then 5mg QD.

> Use accurate Pill

> cutter for 10mg pills.

>

> 4/ No idea on testosterone shots yet, as they will

> be used to

> maximise the growth during along with the other

> treatments. So blood

> tests will be needed to see how much of testosterone

> I do need to

> keep me growing, until eventually my E2 source is

> nuked, and the HCG

> helps my testicles to develop. The doctor should

> calculate how much

> Testosterone it will require to max me out whilst I

> am on my

> treatment. Testosterone should rise all by itself

> once the high E2 is

> down

>

> Final:

>

> My natural growth years are almost finished, I still

> have a chance

> and I am not giving up. My growth was messed up so I

> have to

> minuplulate my system into thinking I am a growing

> child again.

> People can grow upto the age of 24. I will need

> penile and scrotal

> ultrasounds, and blood vessel and blood flow checks

> on my penis and

> groin and testicles, to see if I have any PHYSICAL

> damage. If I do, I

> also need to see a special urologist too. The

> caverject should help

> answer that too. If it works, then it is a good sign

> there is no

> physical problem. So far, Cialis and Muse 1000 have

> not made me

> erect. I will need an enodcrine scan, and my problem

> could be related

> to my pituitary. I am a twin with a sister, so I may

> have an ovary,

> so I need an abdominal ultrasound to make sure.

> Never having

> erections is very rare and bizarre. I know I need a

> lot of MRI scans,

> and even treatment if any are not working how they

> should be.

>

> Thank you for taking your time to read this...If you

> can offer any

> real help, and knowledgeable information please help

> me...Thnx. All

> this detail and medication is from my research and

> help from an

> American pharmoseutical researcher...he is 100% sure

> this treatment

> wil work, and has seen it in different cases, from

> the AACE medical

> treatments. He has also given me a forum,

> where people similar

> to me, have been diagnosed and treated far better

> than what the

> average specialist has said. Thank you for

> reading...x.. It is so

> hard, I am terrified but yet determined.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> only half of what you see. "

> Phil

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Well with all that you said about your self you should be checked for this.

Other wise it can be delayed puberty. You did not answer my question is the

Professor getting you help that you need. If not I have a contact that maybe

able to get you to a good Dr. in the UK.

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote: I have no

learning difficulties, but I can put on

muscle if I train a bit, but not how could have done.

I am infact very bright, and intelligent. So I am not

sure if it is Klinefilter's syndrome.

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Hi brownsauchylicious and welcome we have a few men

> like you it's called Klinefelters Syndrome.

>

> Here is a link to support that should help you

> more.

> http://www.xxytalk.com/fusionbb/portal/index.php

>

> When you said " I need: " is the Professor Mehul

> Tulsdas Dattani. Getting you what your need.

>

>

> brownsaucylicious <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote: Summary:

>

> I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity and my

> sexual organs, I

> have had a delay in development. And my hormones are

> not normal for

> an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional

> delay///My growth ratio

> is very off, my trunk (mid-section/body/spine) is 4

> inches short.

> Making my arms and legs as long as a person who is

> 6ft2, whilst I am

> only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer than my

> height///I lack

> primary sexual development and have not had any

> growth since 11 years

> of age///I have very little sexual function and I

> have not developed

> secondary sexual characteristics///My testicles are

> small and so is

> my penis, and I have never had an erection in my

> life///I have had

> hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by a

> factor of 2 and

> marginal testosterone levels///I was able to do a

> fertility test, and

> it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of sperms only

> work), my

> spermogensis is marginal.

>

> Problem:

>

> The UK ranges are incorrect according to the USA

> ranges. One medical

> organization known as AACE has proven to have the

> most accurate

> ranges. So far my specialists have denied me

> treatment despite my

> shocking problems. They have given me treatments,

> which are very

> basic i.e. Testosterone shots only. I had one shot,

> which should be

> effective for a month, and it did not work at all. I

> think I have met

> a decent doctor after all, who said to my GP, I need

> scans and long

> term treatment, so he made a special request to get

> to see me ASAP.

> He moved me from private to on the NHS. His name is

> Professor Mehul

> Tulsidas Dattani.

>

> I need:

>

> -HGH (human growth hormone) or also known as GH

> (growth hormone)> to

> cause trunk (spine) growth.

> -HCG or also known as rHCG > to cause sperm and

> testicle growth.

> -E2 Suppressor > to cause sperm, testicle, penis and

> masculine growth

> (to keep the female hormone E2 down and maintained).

>

> -Testosterone shots > to maximise my growth.

> -To try Caverject and see if it works > to see if I

> have nerve

> problems with my penis or not.

>

> 1/ Will be used for 2-4 years, used daily. (Until

> real growth is seen

> i.e. trunk growth I will continue using it).

>

> a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> a) rHGH 0.6 IU c) 31 d) QD

>

> Note: Adjust dose according to growth response,

> monitor IGF-1,

> maintain levels at maximum tolerable levels for 6

> months, if growth

> goals are not progressing, discontinue treatment.

>

> 2/ Will be used for 6 months, used daily. (Within

> this time,

> hopefully the doctor should have nuked the source

> that over produces

> the E2, female hormone, which can be found from MRI

> and ultrasound

> scans).

>

> a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> a) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 500IU c) 60 d)

> BID

>

> Note: Separate dosages by 12 hours, adjust up or

> down according to

> resultant serum testosterone levelsBrands: A.P.L.,

> Chorex-10, Chorex-

> 5, Choron-10, Gonic, Novarel, Ovidrel, Pregnyl,

> ProfasiPharmacy allow

> syringes compatible with medication.

>

> 3/ Will be used to maintain the E2. (Will be stopped

> if the source of

> the E2 over production can be nuked).

>

> a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> a) Tamoxifen 20mg c) 17 d) notes

> a) Tamoxifen 10mg c) 12 d) notes

>

> Notes: Begin 40mg per day until the symptoms abate,

> and then taper to

> 20 mg QD for 3 days, then 10mg 3 days, then 5mg QD.

> Use accurate Pill

> cutter for 10mg pills.

>

> 4/ No idea on testosterone shots yet, as they will

> be used to

> maximise the growth during along with the other

> treatments. So blood

> tests will be needed to see how much of testosterone

> I do need to

> keep me growing, until eventually my E2 source is

> nuked, and the HCG

> helps my testicles to develop. The doctor should

> calculate how much

> Testosterone it will require to max me out whilst I

> am on my

> treatment. Testosterone should rise all by itself

> once the high E2 is

> down

>

> Final:

>

> My natural growth years are almost finished, I still

> have a chance

> and I am not giving up. My growth was messed up so I

> have to

> minuplulate my system into thinking I am a growing

> child again.

> People can grow upto the age of 24. I will need

> penile and scrotal

> ultrasounds, and blood vessel and blood flow checks

> on my penis and

> groin and testicles, to see if I have any PHYSICAL

> damage. If I do, I

> also need to see a special urologist too. The

> caverject should help

> answer that too. If it works, then it is a good sign

> there is no

> physical problem. So far, Cialis and Muse 1000 have

> not made me

> erect. I will need an enodcrine scan, and my problem

> could be related

> to my pituitary. I am a twin with a sister, so I may

> have an ovary,

> so I need an abdominal ultrasound to make sure.

> Never having

> erections is very rare and bizarre. I know I need a

> lot of MRI scans,

> and even treatment if any are not working how they

> should be.

>

> Thank you for taking your time to read this...If you

> can offer any

> real help, and knowledgeable information please help

> me...Thnx. All

> this detail and medication is from my research and

> help from an

> American pharmoseutical researcher...he is 100% sure

> this treatment

> wil work, and has seen it in different cases, from

> the AACE medical

> treatments. He has also given me a forum,

> where people similar

> to me, have been diagnosed and treated far better

> than what the

> average specialist has said. Thank you for

> reading...x.. It is so

> hard, I am terrified but yet determined.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and

> only half of what you see. "

> Phil

> __________________________________________________

>

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Oh I have to chime in on this one, as ive been working with him for some

time. This kid has had some major shit getting treatment, his arms are 4”

wider than his and he is asominac , no night wood, severely underdeveloped

testes that I would have guessed at stage 2. He got told too long “its in

his head”. Since mid pubertal delay was my specialty, I have been giving him

some help from my education, my professors, Dr Crissler, and even this

group. The kid has an E2 pump basically somewhere antagonizing his T,

suppressing development. HE also had possible vascular insult, he had

hernias bilateral when a baby and undecended testicles. 2 Muse 1000s cant

get him hard. I’m hoping it was misapplication but he has 2 caverjects to

try, after that I think he REALLY needs a penal ultrasound with Doppler to

figure why the “”last resort” ED meds are not working.. MRI of the

pituitary, adrenals, and thyroid.

ly, I think his physical fitness is from sure will. I wont go into it

but he exercises more than half of us combined..

One issue im severely concerned about, the patient has a twin sister, and we

have yet to receive cross genetic testing. Nor has ultrasound or CT been

done of our friend to check for extra parts. He had severe gyno at 13. I

frankly wouldn’t mind ordering a fully body low resolution MRI.

In my internship at a cross project of 2 major pharmaceutical companies, I

helped in the experimental endocronologic treatment in over 1500 young men

and women, and I was one of them… They didn’t have the ancers then, we still

don’t. I never “got to know” them like out friend here, I really hope he can

achieve his minimum goals at least, from the bottom of my heart.

6 years ago I would have had the resources of a billion dollar lab to help

our new member out, yet that is the past.

-Don

Organic chemistry major with specialization of adolescent endourologic

proteins in humans, UTA Arlington

BTW, class one of endo 101, Professor said:

What im going to teach you is made up from primitive observation, and

sometimes whole cloth. This is what we THINK we know what these hormones do.

Never assume anything. We know nothing yet.

It sucks no having a professor to countersign my RXs. Half a dam semester &

grad, the tumor I had just couldn’t wait..

One thing being in this group has taught me. My 101 teacher was spot on.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of philip georgian

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:21 PM

Subject: Re: Only 18 and trying too hard to get the treatment

I need ASAP.

Well with all that you said about your self you should be checked for this.

Other wise it can be delayed puberty. You did not answer my question is the

Professor getting you help that you need. If not I have a contact that maybe

able to get you to a good Dr. in the UK.

Manterno Salerno <HYPERLINK

" mailto:brownsaucylicious%40.co.uk " brownsaucylicious@-.co.-uk>

wrote: I have no learning difficulties, but I can put on

muscle if I train a bit, but not how could have done.

I am infact very bright, and intelligent. So I am not

sure if it is Klinefilter'-s syndrome.

--- philip georgian <HYPERLINK

" mailto:pmgamer18%40 " pmgamer18 (DOT) -com> wrote:

> Hi brownsauchylicious and welcome we have a few men

> like you it's called Klinefelters Syndrome.

>

> Here is a link to support that should help you

> more.

> HYPERLINK

" http://www.xxytalk.com/fusionbb/portal/index.php " http://www.xxytalk.-com/fu

sionbb/-portal/index.-php

>

> When you said " I need: " is the Professor Mehul

> Tulsdas Dattani. Getting you what your need.

>

>

> brownsaucylicious <HYPERLINK

" mailto:brownsaucylicious%40.co.uk " brownsaucylicious@-.co.-uk>

> wrote: Summary:

>

> I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity and my

> sexual organs, I

> have had a delay in development. And my hormones are

> not normal for

> an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional

> delay///My growth ratio

> is very off, my trunk (mid-section/-body/spine) is 4

> inches short.

> Making my arms and legs as long as a person who is

> 6ft2, whilst I am

> only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer than my

> height///I lack

> primary sexual development and have not had any

> growth since 11 years

> of age///I have very little sexual function and I

> have not developed

> secondary sexual characteristics/-//My testicles are

> small and so is

> my penis, and I have never had an erection in my

> life///I have had

> hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by a

> factor of 2 and

> marginal testosterone levels///I was able to do a

> fertility test, and

> it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of sperms only

> work), my

> spermogensis is marginal.

>

> Problem:

>

> The UK ranges are incorrect according to the USA

> ranges. One medical

> organization known as AACE has proven to have the

> most accurate

> ranges. So far my specialists have denied me

> treatment despite my

> shocking problems. They have given me treatments,

> which are very

> basic i.e. Testosterone shots only. I had one shot,

> which should be

> effective for a month, and it did not work at all. I

> think I have met

> a decent doctor after all, who said to my GP, I need

> scans and long

> term treatment, so he made a special request to get

> to see me ASAP.

> He moved me from private to on the NHS. His name is

> Professor Mehul

> Tulsidas Dattani.

>

> I need:

>

> -HGH (human growth hormone) or also known as GH

> (growth hormone)> to

> cause trunk (spine) growth.

> -HCG or also known as rHCG > to cause sperm and

> testicle growth.

> -E2 Suppressor > to cause sperm, testicle, penis and

> masculine growth

> (to keep the female hormone E2 down and maintained).

>

> -Testosterone shots > to maximise my growth.

> -To try Caverject and see if it works > to see if I

> have nerve

> problems with my penis or not.

>

> 1/ Will be used for 2-4 years, used daily. (Until

> real growth is seen

> i.e. trunk growth I will continue using it).

>

> a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> a) rHGH 0.6 IU c) 31 d) QD

>

> Note: Adjust dose according to growth response,

> monitor IGF-1,

> maintain levels at maximum tolerable levels for 6

> months, if growth

> goals are not progressing, discontinue treatment.

>

> 2/ Will be used for 6 months, used daily. (Within

> this time,

> hopefully the doctor should have nuked the source

> that over produces

> the E2, female hormone, which can be found from MRI

> and ultrasound

> scans).

>

> a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> a) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 500IU c) 60 d)

> BID

>

> Note: Separate dosages by 12 hours, adjust up or

> down according to

> resultant serum testosterone levelsBrands: A.P.L.,

> Chorex-10, Chorex-

> 5, Choron-10, Gonic, Novarel, Ovidrel, Pregnyl,

> ProfasiPharmacy allow

> syringes compatible with medication.

>

> 3/ Will be used to maintain the E2. (Will be stopped

> if the source of

> the E2 over production can be nuked).

>

> a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> a) Tamoxifen 20mg c) 17 d) notes

> a) Tamoxifen 10mg c) 12 d) notes

>

> Notes: Begin 40mg per day until the symptoms abate,

> and then taper to

> 20 mg QD for 3 days, then 10mg 3 days, then 5mg QD.

> Use accurate Pill

> cutter for 10mg pills.

>

> 4/ No idea on testosterone shots yet, as they will

> be used to

> maximise the growth during along with the other

> treatments. So blood

> tests will be needed to see how much of testosterone

> I do need to

> keep me growing, until eventually my E2 source is

> nuked, and the HCG

> helps my testicles to develop. The doctor should

> calculate how much

> Testosterone it will require to max me out whilst I

> am on my

> treatment. Testosterone should rise all by itself

> once the high E2 is

> down

>

> Final:

>

> My natural growth years are almost finished, I still

> have a chance

> and I am not giving up. My growth was messed up so I

> have to

> minuplulate my system into thinking I am a growing

> child again.

> People can grow upto the age of 24. I will need

> penile and scrotal

> ultrasounds, and blood vessel and blood flow checks

> on my penis and

> groin and testicles, to see if I have any PHYSICAL

> damage. If I do, I

> also need to see a special urologist too. The

> caverject should help

> answer that too. If it works, then it is a good sign

> there is no

> physical problem. So far, Cialis and Muse 1000 have

> not made me

> erect. I will need an enodcrine scan, and my problem

> could be related

> to my pituitary. I am a twin with a sister, so I may

> have an ovary,

> so I need an abdominal ultrasound to make sure.

> Never having

> erections is very rare and bizarre. I know I need a

> lot of MRI scans,

> and even treatment if any are not working how they

> should be.

>

> Thank you for taking your time to read this...If you

> can offer any

> real help, and knowledgeable information please help

> me...Thnx. All

> this detail and medication is from my research and

> help from an

> American pharmoseutical researcher..-.he is 100% sure

> this treatment

> wil work, and has seen it in different cases, from

> the AACE medical

> treatments. He has also given me a forum,

> where people similar

> to me, have been diagnosed and treated far better

> than what the

> average specialist has said. Thank you for

> reading...x.-. It is so

> hard, I am terrified but yet determined.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and

> only half of what you see. "

> Phil

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Am I missing something?

I'm not sure what is wrong with those results at all except the

elevated estradiol?

The testosterone level is pretty good and so is the IGF-1 level.

Of course if the genetics are out then the results can mean little so

if Klinefelters or any genertic issue affecting androgen status is

suspected then a genetic test should be performed to ascertain the

situation.

What test did you have for growth hormone?

Did you have a dynamic Insulin Tolerance Test (ITT) or did you just

have a regular blood test?

Summary:

> >

> > I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity and my

> > sexual organs, I

> > have had a delay in development. And my hormones are

> > not normal for

> > an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional

> > delay///My growth ratio

> > is very off, my trunk (mid-section/body/spine) is 4

> > inches short.

> > Making my arms and legs as long as a person who is

> > 6ft2, whilst I am

> > only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer than my

> > height///I lack

> > primary sexual development and have not had any

> > growth since 11 years

> > of age///I have very little sexual function and I

> > have not developed

> > secondary sexual characteristics///My testicles are

> > small and so is

> > my penis, and I have never had an erection in my

> > life///I have had

> > hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by a

> > factor of 2 and

> > marginal testosterone levels///I was able to do a

> > fertility test, and

> > it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of sperms only

> > work), my

> > spermogensis is marginal.

> >

> > Problem:

> >

> > The UK ranges are incorrect according to the USA

> > ranges. One medical

> > organization known as AACE has proven to have the

> > most accurate

> > ranges. So far my specialists have denied me

> > treatment despite my

> > shocking problems. They have given me treatments,

> > which are very

> > basic i.e. Testosterone shots only. I had one shot,

> > which should be

> > effective for a month, and it did not work at all. I

> > think I have met

> > a decent doctor after all, who said to my GP, I need

> > scans and long

> > term treatment, so he made a special request to get

> > to see me ASAP.

> > He moved me from private to on the NHS. His name is

> > Professor Mehul

> > Tulsidas Dattani.

> >

> > I need:

> >

> > -HGH (human growth hormone) or also known as GH

> > (growth hormone)> to

> > cause trunk (spine) growth.

> > -HCG or also known as rHCG > to cause sperm and

> > testicle growth.

> > -E2 Suppressor > to cause sperm, testicle, penis and

> > masculine growth

> > (to keep the female hormone E2 down and maintained).

> >

> > -Testosterone shots > to maximise my growth.

> > -To try Caverject and see if it works > to see if I

> > have nerve

> > problems with my penis or not.

> >

> > 1/ Will be used for 2-4 years, used daily. (Until

> > real growth is seen

> > i.e. trunk growth I will continue using it).

> >

> > a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> > a) rHGH 0.6 IU c) 31 d) QD

> >

> > Note: Adjust dose according to growth response,

> > monitor IGF-1,

> > maintain levels at maximum tolerable levels for 6

> > months, if growth

> > goals are not progressing, discontinue treatment.

> >

> > 2/ Will be used for 6 months, used daily. (Within

> > this time,

> > hopefully the doctor should have nuked the source

> > that over produces

> > the E2, female hormone, which can be found from MRI

> > and ultrasound

> > scans).

> >

> > a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> > a) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 500IU c) 60 d)

> > BID

> >

> > Note: Separate dosages by 12 hours, adjust up or

> > down according to

> > resultant serum testosterone levelsBrands: A.P.L.,

> > Chorex-10, Chorex-

> > 5, Choron-10, Gonic, Novarel, Ovidrel, Pregnyl,

> > ProfasiPharmacy allow

> > syringes compatible with medication.

> >

> > 3/ Will be used to maintain the E2. (Will be stopped

> > if the source of

> > the E2 over production can be nuked).

> >

> > a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> > a) Tamoxifen 20mg c) 17 d) notes

> > a) Tamoxifen 10mg c) 12 d) notes

> >

> > Notes: Begin 40mg per day until the symptoms abate,

> > and then taper to

> > 20 mg QD for 3 days, then 10mg 3 days, then 5mg QD.

> > Use accurate Pill

> > cutter for 10mg pills.

> >

> > 4/ No idea on testosterone shots yet, as they will

> > be used to

> > maximise the growth during along with the other

> > treatments. So blood

> > tests will be needed to see how much of testosterone

> > I do need to

> > keep me growing, until eventually my E2 source is

> > nuked, and the HCG

> > helps my testicles to develop. The doctor should

> > calculate how much

> > Testosterone it will require to max me out whilst I

> > am on my

> > treatment. Testosterone should rise all by itself

> > once the high E2 is

> > down

> >

> > Final:

> >

> > My natural growth years are almost finished, I still

> > have a chance

> > and I am not giving up. My growth was messed up so I

> > have to

> > minuplulate my system into thinking I am a growing

> > child again.

> > People can grow upto the age of 24. I will need

> > penile and scrotal

> > ultrasounds, and blood vessel and blood flow checks

> > on my penis and

> > groin and testicles, to see if I have any PHYSICAL

> > damage. If I do, I

> > also need to see a special urologist too. The

> > caverject should help

> > answer that too. If it works, then it is a good sign

> > there is no

> > physical problem. So far, Cialis and Muse 1000 have

> > not made me

> > erect. I will need an enodcrine scan, and my problem

> > could be related

> > to my pituitary. I am a twin with a sister, so I may

> > have an ovary,

> > so I need an abdominal ultrasound to make sure.

> > Never having

> > erections is very rare and bizarre. I know I need a

> > lot of MRI scans,

> > and even treatment if any are not working how they

> > should be.

> >

> > Thank you for taking your time to read this...If you

> > can offer any

> > real help, and knowledgeable information please help

> > me...Thnx. All

> > this detail and medication is from my research and

> > help from an

> > American pharmoseutical researcher...he is 100% sure

> > this treatment

> > wil work, and has seen it in different cases, from

> > the AACE medical

> > treatments. He has also given me a forum,

> > where people similar

> > to me, have been diagnosed and treated far better

> > than what the

> > average specialist has said. Thank you for

> > reading...x.. It is so

> > hard, I am terrified but yet determined.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and

> > only half of what you see. "

> > Phil

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Hi it's great your helping him I need to know how high his E2 is I was up over

90 pg/ml and it made me dam sick yet I was on TRT and the T meds were driving up

my E2. If he is this high just getting this down with Arimidex will make him

feel better and if he got wood with the Muse he might get his wood just getting

E2 down. When my Dr. tried to get my E2 down we did everything but Arimidex and

nothing worked. Tamoxifen did nothing and I feel his high E2 levels could he

keeping his Testosterone levels down and messing with his Thyroid and Cortiosl

levels here is a link about this. The link is about older men but the problem

is the same. I tried all the pills and could not get any wood my ED was so bad

a pill even doing Muse shots did not work. Today and I am 63 my wood and sex

life is fine.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

Also there is a web site run by Nick O'Hara here is a link to his site

he can help find him a Dr.

http://www.androids.org.uk/

Don <donaldb@...> wrote:

Oh I have to chime in on this one, as ive been working with him for some

time. This kid has had some major shit getting treatment, his arms are 4”

wider than his and he is asominac , no night wood, severely underdeveloped

testes that I would have guessed at stage 2. He got told too long “its in

his head”. Since mid pubertal delay was my specialty, I have been giving him

some help from my education, my professors, Dr Crissler, and even this

group. The kid has an E2 pump basically somewhere antagonizing his T,

suppressing development. HE also had possible vascular insult, he had

hernias bilateral when a baby and undecended testicles. 2 Muse 1000s cant

get him hard. I’m hoping it was misapplication but he has 2 caverjects to

try, after that I think he REALLY needs a penal ultrasound with Doppler to

figure why the “”last resort” ED meds are not working.. MRI of the

pituitary, adrenals, and thyroid.

ly, I think his physical fitness is from sure will. I wont go into it

but he exercises more than half of us combined..

One issue im severely concerned about, the patient has a twin sister, and we

have yet to receive cross genetic testing. Nor has ultrasound or CT been

done of our friend to check for extra parts. He had severe gyno at 13. I

frankly wouldn’t mind ordering a fully body low resolution MRI.

In my internship at a cross project of 2 major pharmaceutical companies, I

helped in the experimental endocronologic treatment in over 1500 young men

and women, and I was one of them… They didn’t have the ancers then, we still

don’t. I never “got to know” them like out friend here, I really hope he can

achieve his minimum goals at least, from the bottom of my heart.

6 years ago I would have had the resources of a billion dollar lab to help

our new member out, yet that is the past.

-Don

Organic chemistry major with specialization of adolescent endourologic

proteins in humans, UTA Arlington

BTW, class one of endo 101, Professor said:

What im going to teach you is made up from primitive observation, and

sometimes whole cloth. This is what we THINK we know what these hormones do.

Never assume anything. We know nothing yet.

It sucks no having a professor to countersign my RXs. Half a dam semester &

grad, the tumor I had just couldn’t wait..

One thing being in this group has taught me. My 101 teacher was spot on.

_____

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On Behalf Of philip georgian

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:21 PM

Subject: Re: Only 18 and trying too hard to get the treatment

I need ASAP.

Well with all that you said about your self you should be checked for this.

Other wise it can be delayed puberty. You did not answer my question is the

Professor getting you help that you need. If not I have a contact that maybe

able to get you to a good Dr. in the UK.

Manterno Salerno

" mailto:brownsaucylicious%40.co.uk " brownsaucylicious@-.co.-uk>

wrote: I have no learning difficulties, but I can put on

muscle if I train a bit, but not how could have done.

I am infact very bright, and intelligent. So I am not

sure if it is Klinefilter'-s syndrome.

--- philip georgian " mailto:pmgamer18%40 " pmgamer18 (DOT) -com> wrote:

> Hi brownsauchylicious and welcome we have a few men

> like you it's called Klinefelters Syndrome.

>

> Here is a link to support that should help you

> more.

> HYPERLINK

" http://www.xxytalk.com/fusionbb/portal/index.php " http://www.xxytalk.-com/fu

sionbb/-portal/index.-php

>

> When you said " I need: " is the Professor Mehul

> Tulsdas Dattani. Getting you what your need.

>

>

> brownsaucylicious

" mailto:brownsaucylicious%40.co.uk " brownsaucylicious@-.co.-uk>

> wrote: Summary:

>

> I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity and my

> sexual organs, I

> have had a delay in development. And my hormones are

> not normal for

> an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional

> delay///My growth ratio

> is very off, my trunk (mid-section/-body/spine) is 4

> inches short.

> Making my arms and legs as long as a person who is

> 6ft2, whilst I am

> only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer than my

> height///I lack

> primary sexual development and have not had any

> growth since 11 years

> of age///I have very little sexual function and I

> have not developed

> secondary sexual characteristics/-//My testicles are

> small and so is

> my penis, and I have never had an erection in my

> life///I have had

> hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by a

> factor of 2 and

> marginal testosterone levels///I was able to do a

> fertility test, and

> it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of sperms only

> work), my

> spermogensis is marginal.

>

> Problem:

>

> The UK ranges are incorrect according to the USA

> ranges. One medical

> organization known as AACE has proven to have the

> most accurate

> ranges. So far my specialists have denied me

> treatment despite my

> shocking problems. They have given me treatments,

> which are very

> basic i.e. Testosterone shots only. I had one shot,

> which should be

> effective for a month, and it did not work at all. I

> think I have met

> a decent doctor after all, who said to my GP, I need

> scans and long

> term treatment, so he made a special request to get

> to see me ASAP.

> He moved me from private to on the NHS. His name is

> Professor Mehul

> Tulsidas Dattani.

>

> I need:

>

> -HGH (human growth hormone) or also known as GH

> (growth hormone)> to

> cause trunk (spine) growth.

> -HCG or also known as rHCG > to cause sperm and

> testicle growth.

> -E2 Suppressor > to cause sperm, testicle, penis and

> masculine growth

> (to keep the female hormone E2 down and maintained).

>

> -Testosterone shots > to maximise my growth.

> -To try Caverject and see if it works > to see if I

> have nerve

> problems with my penis or not.

>

> 1/ Will be used for 2-4 years, used daily. (Until

> real growth is seen

> i.e. trunk growth I will continue using it).

>

> a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> a) rHGH 0.6 IU c) 31 d) QD

>

> Note: Adjust dose according to growth response,

> monitor IGF-1,

> maintain levels at maximum tolerable levels for 6

> months, if growth

> goals are not progressing, discontinue treatment.

>

> 2/ Will be used for 6 months, used daily. (Within

> this time,

> hopefully the doctor should have nuked the source

> that over produces

> the E2, female hormone, which can be found from MRI

> and ultrasound

> scans).

>

> a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> a) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 500IU c) 60 d)

> BID

>

> Note: Separate dosages by 12 hours, adjust up or

> down according to

> resultant serum testosterone levelsBrands: A.P.L.,

> Chorex-10, Chorex-

> 5, Choron-10, Gonic, Novarel, Ovidrel, Pregnyl,

> ProfasiPharmacy allow

> syringes compatible with medication.

>

> 3/ Will be used to maintain the E2. (Will be stopped

> if the source of

> the E2 over production can be nuked).

>

> a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> a) Tamoxifen 20mg c) 17 d) notes

> a) Tamoxifen 10mg c) 12 d) notes

>

> Notes: Begin 40mg per day until the symptoms abate,

> and then taper to

> 20 mg QD for 3 days, then 10mg 3 days, then 5mg QD.

> Use accurate Pill

> cutter for 10mg pills.

>

> 4/ No idea on testosterone shots yet, as they will

> be used to

> maximise the growth during along with the other

> treatments. So blood

> tests will be needed to see how much of testosterone

> I do need to

> keep me growing, until eventually my E2 source is

> nuked, and the HCG

> helps my testicles to develop. The doctor should

> calculate how much

> Testosterone it will require to max me out whilst I

> am on my

> treatment. Testosterone should rise all by itself

> once the high E2 is

> down

>

> Final:

>

> My natural growth years are almost finished, I still

> have a chance

> and I am not giving up. My growth was messed up so I

> have to

> minuplulate my system into thinking I am a growing

> child again.

> People can grow upto the age of 24. I will need

> penile and scrotal

> ultrasounds, and blood vessel and blood flow checks

> on my penis and

> groin and testicles, to see if I have any PHYSICAL

> damage. If I do, I

> also need to see a special urologist too. The

> caverject should help

> answer that too. If it works, then it is a good sign

> there is no

> physical problem. So far, Cialis and Muse 1000 have

> not made me

> erect. I will need an enodcrine scan, and my problem

> could be related

> to my pituitary. I am a twin with a sister, so I may

> have an ovary,

> so I need an abdominal ultrasound to make sure.

> Never having

> erections is very rare and bizarre. I know I need a

> lot of MRI scans,

> and even treatment if any are not working how they

> should be.

>

> Thank you for taking your time to read this...If you

> can offer any

> real help, and knowledgeable information please help

> me...Thnx. All

> this detail and medication is from my research and

> help from an

> American pharmoseutical researcher..-.he is 100% sure

> this treatment

> wil work, and has seen it in different cases, from

> the AACE medical

> treatments. He has also given me a forum,

> where people similar

> to me, have been diagnosed and treated far better

> than what the

> average specialist has said. Thank you for

> reading...x.-. It is so

> hard, I am terrified but yet determined.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and

> only half of what you see. "

> Phil

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may I please have the contact of the doctor please?

I have been to 3 doctors, and they are rubbish. once

considered me to only have t boosts, but NEVER

MENTIONED ANY SCANS, and said i dont need any! i had

one t shot,,nothing happened,

and, its cos my e2 is too high,,,and i need hgh

injections now cos i am 4 inches short in my spine, my

hgh came out to be 0.1 ! the scale is 0.0 to 10.0

i am going to see the next doctor in 3 weeks,,and he

seems like he knows what he is doing, he phoned my

gp,,sayin i need long treatment n scans,,and i cant be

on private. so with a genuine concern he transferred

me onto the nhs with him, usually the appointments

take more than a month or so,,but i got mine with him

in 3 weeks time! so i pray he is the one,,and yes

please,,may i av the contact of the good dr,,just

incase this one is not the one! thnx

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Well with all that you said about your self you

> should be checked for this. Other wise it can be

> delayed puberty. You did not answer my question is

> the Professor getting you help that you need. If

> not I have a contact that maybe able to get you to a

> good Dr. in the UK.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote: I have no learning difficulties, but

> I can put on

> muscle if I train a bit, but not how could have

> done.

>

> I am infact very bright, and intelligent. So I am

> not

> sure if it is Klinefilter's syndrome.

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > Hi brownsauchylicious and welcome we have a few

> men

> > like you it's called Klinefelters Syndrome.

> >

> > Here is a link to support that should help you

> > more.

> > http://www.xxytalk.com/fusionbb/portal/index.php

> >

> > When you said " I need: " is the Professor Mehul

> > Tulsdas Dattani. Getting you what your need.

> >

> >

> > brownsaucylicious <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote: Summary:

> >

> > I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity and

> my

> > sexual organs, I

> > have had a delay in development. And my hormones

> are

> > not normal for

> > an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional

> > delay///My growth ratio

> > is very off, my trunk (mid-section/body/spine) is

> 4

> > inches short.

> > Making my arms and legs as long as a person who is

> > 6ft2, whilst I am

> > only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer than my

> > height///I lack

> > primary sexual development and have not had any

> > growth since 11 years

> > of age///I have very little sexual function and I

> > have not developed

> > secondary sexual characteristics///My testicles

> are

> > small and so is

> > my penis, and I have never had an erection in my

> > life///I have had

> > hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by a

> > factor of 2 and

> > marginal testosterone levels///I was able to do a

> > fertility test, and

> > it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of sperms

> only

> > work), my

> > spermogensis is marginal.

> >

> > Problem:

> >

> > The UK ranges are incorrect according to the USA

> > ranges. One medical

> > organization known as AACE has proven to have the

> > most accurate

> > ranges. So far my specialists have denied me

> > treatment despite my

> > shocking problems. They have given me treatments,

> > which are very

> > basic i.e. Testosterone shots only. I had one

> shot,

> > which should be

> > effective for a month, and it did not work at all.

> I

> > think I have met

> > a decent doctor after all, who said to my GP, I

> need

> > scans and long

> > term treatment, so he made a special request to

> get

> > to see me ASAP.

> > He moved me from private to on the NHS. His name

> is

> > Professor Mehul

> > Tulsidas Dattani.

> >

> > I need:

> >

> > -HGH (human growth hormone) or also known as GH

> > (growth hormone)> to

> > cause trunk (spine) growth.

> > -HCG or also known as rHCG > to cause sperm and

> > testicle growth.

> > -E2 Suppressor > to cause sperm, testicle, penis

> and

> > masculine growth

> > (to keep the female hormone E2 down and

> maintained).

> >

> > -Testosterone shots > to maximise my growth.

> > -To try Caverject and see if it works > to see if

> I

> > have nerve

> > problems with my penis or not.

> >

> > 1/ Will be used for 2-4 years, used daily. (Until

> > real growth is seen

> > i.e. trunk growth I will continue using it).

> >

> > a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> > a) rHGH 0.6 IU c) 31 d) QD

> >

> > Note: Adjust dose according to growth response,

> > monitor IGF-1,

> > maintain levels at maximum tolerable levels for 6

> > months, if growth

> > goals are not progressing, discontinue treatment.

> >

> > 2/ Will be used for 6 months, used daily. (Within

> > this time,

> > hopefully the doctor should have nuked the source

> > that over produces

> > the E2, female hormone, which can be found from

> MRI

> > and ultrasound

> > scans).

> >

> > a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> > a) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 500IU c) 60 d)

> > BID

> >

> > Note: Separate dosages by 12 hours, adjust up or

> > down according to

> > resultant serum testosterone levelsBrands: A.P.L.,

> > Chorex-10, Chorex-

> > 5, Choron-10, Gonic, Novarel, Ovidrel, Pregnyl,

> > ProfasiPharmacy allow

> > syringes compatible with medication.

> >

> > 3/ Will be used to maintain the E2. (Will be

> stopped

> > if the source of

> > the E2 over production can be nuked).

> >

> > a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> > a) Tamoxifen 20mg c) 17 d) notes

> > a) Tamoxifen 10mg c) 12 d) notes

> >

> > Notes: Begin 40mg per day until the symptoms

> abate,

> > and then taper to

> > 20 mg QD for 3 days, then 10mg 3 days, then 5mg

> QD.

> > Use accurate Pill

> > cutter for 10mg pills.

> >

> > 4/ No idea on testosterone shots yet, as they will

> > be used to

> > maximise the growth during along with the other

> > treatments. So blood

> > tests will be needed to see how much of

> testosterone

> > I do need to

> > keep me growing, until eventually my E2 source is

> > nuked, and the HCG

> > helps my testicles to develop. The doctor should

> > calculate how much

> > Testosterone it will require to max me out whilst

> I

> > am on my

> > treatment. Testosterone should rise all by itself

> > once the high E2 is

> > down

> >

> > Final:

> >

> > My natural growth years are almost finished, I

> still

> > have a chance

> > and I am not giving up. My growth was messed up so

> I

> > have to

> > minuplulate my system into thinking I am a growing

> > child again.

> > People can grow upto the age of 24. I will need

> > penile and scrotal

> > ultrasounds, and blood vessel and blood flow

> checks

> > on my penis and

> > groin and testicles, to see if I have any PHYSICAL

> > damage. If I do, I

> > also need to see a special urologist too. The

> > caverject should help

>

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I had a regular blood test,

--- chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> Am I missing something?

>

> I'm not sure what is wrong with those results at all

> except the

> elevated estradiol?

>

> The testosterone level is pretty good and so is the

> IGF-1 level.

>

> Of course if the genetics are out then the results

> can mean little so

> if Klinefelters or any genertic issue affecting

> androgen status is

> suspected then a genetic test should be performed to

> ascertain the

> situation.

>

> What test did you have for growth hormone?

>

> Did you have a dynamic Insulin Tolerance Test (ITT)

> or did you just

> have a regular blood test?

>

>

>

>

> Summary:

> > >

> > > I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity and

> my

> > > sexual organs, I

> > > have had a delay in development. And my hormones

> are

> > > not normal for

> > > an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional

> > > delay///My growth ratio

> > > is very off, my trunk (mid-section/body/spine)

> is 4

> > > inches short.

> > > Making my arms and legs as long as a person who

> is

> > > 6ft2, whilst I am

> > > only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer than my

> > > height///I lack

> > > primary sexual development and have not had any

> > > growth since 11 years

> > > of age///I have very little sexual function and

> I

> > > have not developed

> > > secondary sexual characteristics///My testicles

> are

> > > small and so is

> > > my penis, and I have never had an erection in my

> > > life///I have had

> > > hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by a

> > > factor of 2 and

> > > marginal testosterone levels///I was able to do

> a

> > > fertility test, and

> > > it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of sperms

> only

> > > work), my

> > > spermogensis is marginal.

> > >

> > > Problem:

> > >

> > > The UK ranges are incorrect according to the USA

> > > ranges. One medical

> > > organization known as AACE has proven to have

> the

> > > most accurate

> > > ranges. So far my specialists have denied me

> > > treatment despite my

> > > shocking problems. They have given me

> treatments,

> > > which are very

> > > basic i.e. Testosterone shots only. I had one

> shot,

> > > which should be

> > > effective for a month, and it did not work at

> all. I

> > > think I have met

> > > a decent doctor after all, who said to my GP, I

> need

> > > scans and long

> > > term treatment, so he made a special request to

> get

> > > to see me ASAP.

> > > He moved me from private to on the NHS. His name

> is

> > > Professor Mehul

> > > Tulsidas Dattani.

> > >

> > > I need:

> > >

> > > -HGH (human growth hormone) or also known as GH

> > > (growth hormone)> to

> > > cause trunk (spine) growth.

> > > -HCG or also known as rHCG > to cause sperm and

> > > testicle growth.

> > > -E2 Suppressor > to cause sperm, testicle, penis

> and

> > > masculine growth

> > > (to keep the female hormone E2 down and

> maintained).

> > >

> > > -Testosterone shots > to maximise my growth.

> > > -To try Caverject and see if it works > to see

> if I

> > > have nerve

> > > problems with my penis or not.

> > >

> > > 1/ Will be used for 2-4 years, used daily.

> (Until

> > > real growth is seen

> > > i.e. trunk growth I will continue using it).

> > >

> > > a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> > > a) rHGH 0.6 IU c) 31 d) QD

> > >

> > > Note: Adjust dose according to growth response,

> > > monitor IGF-1,

> > > maintain levels at maximum tolerable levels for

> 6

> > > months, if growth

> > > goals are not progressing, discontinue

> treatment.

> > >

> > > 2/ Will be used for 6 months, used daily.

> (Within

> > > this time,

> > > hopefully the doctor should have nuked the

> source

> > > that over produces

> > > the E2, female hormone, which can be found from

> MRI

> > > and ultrasound

> > > scans).

> > >

> > > a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> > > a) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 500IU c) 60

> d)

> > > BID

> > >

> > > Note: Separate dosages by 12 hours, adjust up or

> > > down according to

> > > resultant serum testosterone levelsBrands:

> A.P.L.,

> > > Chorex-10, Chorex-

> > > 5, Choron-10, Gonic, Novarel, Ovidrel, Pregnyl,

> > > ProfasiPharmacy allow

> > > syringes compatible with medication.

> > >

> > > 3/ Will be used to maintain the E2. (Will be

> stopped

> > > if the source of

>

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Here are my results:

(TSH) 1.42 (0.27-4.20) mU/L

(Free T4) 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L

(FSH) 6.8 (1.5-11.4) U/L

(LH) 7.7 (1.7-8.6) U/L

(Oestradiol) 120 (28-156) pmol/l

(Prolactin) 215 (86-324) IU/ml

(Testosterone) 16.6 (9.9-27.8 ) nmol/l

(17 OH-Progesterone) 2.66 (0.90-10.00) nmol//l

(Androstenedione) 3.16 (0.68-10.00) nmol/L

*Cortisol (Rdm)* 204 nmol/L

(IgF 1) 785 (197-956) ng/ml

(Binding Protein 3) 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L

These were my endocrine results. The UK doctors keep

saying I am normal depsite my problems standing out so

clear! With the USA ranges, I am not normal.

My HGH came too low >>> I done this through a normal

blood test.

Serum growth hormone = 0.1 ml.U/L (0.0 - 10.0)

Supplementary Result

I tried Muse 1000, Cialis 20mg, and they both failed.

I have still never had an erection. I know my E2 is

high as the American ranges say that the E2 for men

should be between 13-50 and the AACE says, 25-40. I am

120! And the UK ranges is 25-156!!! I have ordered

Tamoxifen to start the suppression of my E2. And i

will find the source with my next doctor, has he seems

gd and wants me to do scans, finally a dr who knows

what he is doing! Now i av 2 caverject 20 to try. and

i am going to use one this week, with a urologist, and

the other with my friend. to see the response. i know

i need hgh injections and on top need to supress my

e2. the e2 being suppressed will make my t rise,,and

on top my testicles and penis should develop as they

should have done so, and get my erections coming. i am

also going to take HCG. and i really owe it DON, such

a great guy!!! i owe it to him big time,,and i hope

there r more ppl like him,,so we can all unite and

help one another...thnx everyone xx

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Hi it's great your helping him I need to know how

> high his E2 is I was up over 90 pg/ml and it made me

> dam sick yet I was on TRT and the T meds were

> driving up my E2. If he is this high just getting

> this down with Arimidex will make him feel better

> and if he got wood with the Muse he might get his

> wood just getting E2 down. When my Dr. tried to get

> my E2 down we did everything but Arimidex and

> nothing worked. Tamoxifen did nothing and I feel

> his high E2 levels could he keeping his Testosterone

> levels down and messing with his Thyroid and

> Cortiosl levels here is a link about this. The link

> is about older men but the problem is the same. I

> tried all the pills and could not get any wood my ED

> was so bad a pill even doing Muse shots did not

> work. Today and I am 63 my wood and sex life is

> fine.

>

>

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

>

> Also there is a web site run by Nick O'Hara

> here is a link to his site he can help find him a

> Dr.

> http://www.androids.org.uk/

>

> Don <donaldb@...> wrote:

> Oh I have to chime in on this one, as ive been

> working with him for some

> time. This kid has had some major shit getting

> treatment, his arms are 4”

> wider than his and he is asominac , no night wood,

> severely underdeveloped

> testes that I would have guessed at stage 2. He got

> told too long “its in

> his head”. Since mid pubertal delay was my

> specialty, I have been giving him

> some help from my education, my professors, Dr

> Crissler, and even this

> group. The kid has an E2 pump basically somewhere

> antagonizing his T,

> suppressing development. HE also had possible

> vascular insult, he had

> hernias bilateral when a baby and undecended

> testicles. 2 Muse 1000s cant

> get him hard. I’m hoping it was misapplication but

> he has 2 caverjects to

> try, after that I think he REALLY needs a penal

> ultrasound with Doppler to

> figure why the “”last resort” ED meds are not

> working.. MRI of the

> pituitary, adrenals, and thyroid.

>

> ly, I think his physical fitness is from sure

> will. I wont go into it

> but he exercises more than half of us combined..

>

> One issue im severely concerned about, the patient

> has a twin sister, and we

> have yet to receive cross genetic testing. Nor has

> ultrasound or CT been

> done of our friend to check for extra parts. He had

> severe gyno at 13. I

> frankly wouldn’t mind ordering a fully body low

> resolution MRI.

>

> In my internship at a cross project of 2 major

> pharmaceutical companies, I

> helped in the experimental endocronologic treatment

> in over 1500 young men

> and women, and I was one of them… They didn’t have

> the ancers then, we still

> don’t. I never “got to know” them like out friend

> here, I really hope he can

> achieve his minimum goals at least, from the bottom

> of my heart.

>

> 6 years ago I would have had the resources of a

> billion dollar lab to help

> our new member out, yet that is the past.

>

> -Don

> Organic chemistry major with specialization of

> adolescent endourologic

> proteins in humans, UTA Arlington

>

> BTW, class one of endo 101, Professor said:

> What im going to teach you is made up from primitive

> observation, and

> sometimes whole cloth. This is what we THINK we know

> what these hormones do.

> Never assume anything. We know nothing yet.

>

> It sucks no having a professor to countersign my

> RXs. Half a dam semester &

> grad, the tumor I had just couldn’t wait..

>

> One thing being in this group has taught me. My 101

> teacher was spot on.

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of philip georgian

> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:21 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Only 18 and trying too

> hard to get the treatment

> I need ASAP.

>

> Well with all that you said about your self you

> should be checked for this.

> Other wise it can be delayed puberty. You did not

> answer my question is the

> Professor getting you help that you need. If not I

> have a contact that maybe

> able to get you to a good Dr. in the UK.

>

> Manterno Salerno

>

" mailto:brownsaucylicious%40.co.uk " brownsaucylicious@-.co.-uk>

> wrote: I have no learning difficulties, but I can

> put on

> muscle if I train a bit, but not how could have

> done.

>

> I am infact very bright, and intelligent. So I am

> not

> sure if it is Klinefilter'-s syndrome.

>

> --- philip georgian

> " mailto:pmgamer18%40 " pmgamer18 (DOT) -com>

> wrote:

>

> > Hi brownsauchylicious and welcome we have a few

> men

> > like you it's called Klinefelters Syndrome.

> >

> > Here is a link to support that should help you

> > more.

> > HYPERLINK

>

" http://www.xxytalk.com/fusionbb/portal/index.php " http://www.xxytalk.-com/fu

> sionbb/-portal/index.-php

> >

> > When you said " I need: " is the Professor Mehul

> > Tulsdas Dattani. Getting you what your need.

> >

> >

> > brownsaucylicious

>

" mailto:brownsaucylicious%40.co.uk " brownsaucylicious@-.co.-uk>

> > wrote: Summary:

> >

> > I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity and

> my

> > sexual organs, I

> > have had a delay in development. And my hormones

> are

> > not normal for

> > an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional

> > delay///My growth ratio

> > is very off, my trunk (mid-section/-body/spine) is

> 4

> > inches short.

> > Making my arms and legs as long as a person who is

> > 6ft2, whilst I am

> > only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer than my

> > height///I lack

> > primary sexual development and have not had any

> > growth since 11 years

> > of age///I have very little sexual function and I

> > have not developed

> > secondary sexual characteristics/-//My testicles

> are

> > small and so is

> > my penis, and I have never had an erection in my

> > life///I have had

> > hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by a

> > factor of 2 and

> > marginal testosterone levels///I was able to do a

> > fertility test, and

> > it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of sperms

> only

> > work), my

> > spermogensis is marginal.

> >

> > Problem:

> >

> > The UK ranges are incorrect according to the USA

> > ranges. One medical

> > organization known as AACE has proven to have the

> > most accurate

> > ranges. So far my specialists have denied me

> > treatment despite my

> > shocking problems. They have given me treatments,

> > which are very

> > basic i.e. Testosterone shots only. I had one

> shot,

> > which should be

> > effective for a month, and it did not work at all.

> I

> > think I have met

> > a decent doctor after all, who said to my GP, I

> need

>

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I gave you a link to Nick O'Hara send him an Email telling him your

problems and I am sure he can hook you up with a Dr.

I see your E2 is on the high side but not all that bad. 120 in my units it is

33 pg/ml yet with me this is to high and I get ED that the pill will not help.

Yet we have men with levels this high and they do dam good.

I see a problem with your Cortisol levels they look to me to be dam low. 204

in my units is 7 ug/dl. My test come back at 8 and my Dr. put me on Cortef 5mgs

4 x's a day. Levels this low are Adrenal Fatigue a good level would be in my

units over 15 best at 20. You would do good to have an ACTH Stim test here is a

link about it and how to read it. It can also show if your have a pituitary

problem.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=208

Also here is a FAQ's we did some time ago a great read.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

Your IGF-1 look dam good to me mine is 210.

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote:

Here are my results:

(TSH) 1.42 (0.27-4.20) mU/L

(Free T4) 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L

(FSH) 6.8 (1.5-11.4) U/L

(LH) 7.7 (1.7-8.6) U/L

(Oestradiol) 120 (28-156) pmol/l

(Prolactin) 215 (86-324) IU/ml

(Testosterone) 16.6 (9.9-27.8 ) nmol/l

(17 OH-Progesterone) 2.66 (0.90-10.00) nmol//l

(Androstenedione) 3.16 (0.68-10.00) nmol/L

*Cortisol (Rdm)* 204 nmol/L

(IgF 1) 785 (197-956) ng/ml

(Binding Protein 3) 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L

These were my endocrine results. The UK doctors keep

saying I am normal depsite my problems standing out so

clear! With the USA ranges, I am not normal.

My HGH came too low >>> I done this through a normal

blood test.

Serum growth hormone = 0.1 ml.U/L (0.0 - 10.0)

Supplementary Result

I tried Muse 1000, Cialis 20mg, and they both failed.

I have still never had an erection. I know my E2 is

high as the American ranges say that the E2 for men

should be between 13-50 and the AACE says, 25-40. I am

120! And the UK ranges is 25-156!!! I have ordered

Tamoxifen to start the suppression of my E2. And i

will find the source with my next doctor, has he seems

gd and wants me to do scans, finally a dr who knows

what he is doing! Now i av 2 caverject 20 to try. and

i am going to use one this week, with a urologist, and

the other with my friend. to see the response. i know

i need hgh injections and on top need to supress my

e2. the e2 being suppressed will make my t rise,,and

on top my testicles and penis should develop as they

should have done so, and get my erections coming. i am

also going to take HCG. and i really owe it DON, such

a great guy!!! i owe it to him big time,,and i hope

there r more ppl like him,,so we can all unite and

help one another...thnx everyone xx

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Hi it's great your helping him I need to know how

> high his E2 is I was up over 90 pg/ml and it made me

> dam sick yet I was on TRT and the T meds were

> driving up my E2. If he is this high just getting

> this down with Arimidex will make him feel better

> and if he got wood with the Muse he might get his

> wood just getting E2 down. When my Dr. tried to get

> my E2 down we did everything but Arimidex and

> nothing worked. Tamoxifen did nothing and I feel

> his high E2 levels could he keeping his Testosterone

> levels down and messing with his Thyroid and

> Cortiosl levels here is a link about this. The link

> is about older men but the problem is the same. I

> tried all the pills and could not get any wood my ED

> was so bad a pill even doing Muse shots did not

> work. Today and I am 63 my wood and sex life is

> fine.

>

>

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

>

> Also there is a web site run by Nick O'Hara

> here is a link to his site he can help find him a

> Dr.

> http://www.androids.org.uk/

>

> Don <donaldb@...> wrote:

> Oh I have to chime in on this one, as ive been

> working with him for some

> time. This kid has had some major shit getting

> treatment, his arms are 4”

> wider than his and he is asominac , no night wood,

> severely underdeveloped

> testes that I would have guessed at stage 2. He got

> told too long “its in

> his head”. Since mid pubertal delay was my

> specialty, I have been giving him

> some help from my education, my professors, Dr

> Crissler, and even this

> group. The kid has an E2 pump basically somewhere

> antagonizing his T,

> suppressing development. HE also had possible

> vascular insult, he had

> hernias bilateral when a baby and undecended

> testicles. 2 Muse 1000s cant

> get him hard. I’m hoping it was misapplication but

> he has 2 caverjects to

> try, after that I think he REALLY needs a penal

> ultrasound with Doppler to

> figure why the “”last resort” ED meds are not

> working.. MRI of the

> pituitary, adrenals, and thyroid.

>

> ly, I think his physical fitness is from sure

> will. I wont go into it

> but he exercises more than half of us combined..

>

> One issue im severely concerned about, the patient

> has a twin sister, and we

> have yet to receive cross genetic testing. Nor has

> ultrasound or CT been

> done of our friend to check for extra parts. He had

> severe gyno at 13. I

> frankly wouldn’t mind ordering a fully body low

> resolution MRI.

>

> In my internship at a cross project of 2 major

> pharmaceutical companies, I

> helped in the experimental endocronologic treatment

> in over 1500 young men

> and women, and I was one of them… They didn’t have

> the ancers then, we still

> don’t. I never “got to know” them like out friend

> here, I really hope he can

> achieve his minimum goals at least, from the bottom

> of my heart.

>

> 6 years ago I would have had the resources of a

> billion dollar lab to help

> our new member out, yet that is the past.

>

> -Don

> Organic chemistry major with specialization of

> adolescent endourologic

> proteins in humans, UTA Arlington

>

> BTW, class one of endo 101, Professor said:

> What im going to teach you is made up from primitive

> observation, and

> sometimes whole cloth. This is what we THINK we know

> what these hormones do.

> Never assume anything. We know nothing yet.

>

> It sucks no having a professor to countersign my

> RXs. Half a dam semester &

> grad, the tumor I had just couldn’t wait..

>

> One thing being in this group has taught me. My 101

> teacher was spot on.

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of philip georgian

> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:21 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Only 18 and trying too

> hard to get the treatment

> I need ASAP.

>

> Well with all that you said about your self you

> should be checked for this.

> Other wise it can be delayed puberty. You did not

> answer my question is the

> Professor getting you help that you need. If not I

> have a contact that maybe

> able to get you to a good Dr. in the UK.

>

> Manterno Salerno

>

" mailto:brownsaucylicious%40.co.uk " brownsaucylicious@-.co.-uk>

> wrote: I have no learning difficulties, but I can

> put on

> muscle if I train a bit, but not how could have

> done.

>

> I am infact very bright, and intelligent. So I am

> not

> sure if it is Klinefilter'-s syndrome.

>

> --- philip georgian

> " mailto:pmgamer18%40 " pmgamer18 (DOT) -com>

> wrote:

>

> > Hi brownsauchylicious and welcome we have a few

> men

> > like you it's called Klinefelters Syndrome.

> >

> > Here is a link to support that should help you

> > more.

> > HYPERLINK

>

" http://www.xxytalk.com/fusionbb/portal/index.php " http://www.xxytalk.-com/fu

> sionbb/-portal/index.-php

> >

> > When you said " I need: " is the Professor Mehul

> > Tulsdas Dattani. Getting you what your need.

> >

> >

> > brownsaucylicious

>

" mailto:brownsaucylicious%40.co.uk " brownsaucylicious@-.co.-uk>

> > wrote: Summary:

> >

> > I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity and

> my

> > sexual organs, I

> > have had a delay in development. And my hormones

> are

> > not normal for

> > an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional

> > delay///My growth ratio

> > is very off, my trunk (mid-section/-body/spine) is

> 4

> > inches short.

> > Making my arms and legs as long as a person who is

> > 6ft2, whilst I am

> > only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer than my

> > height///I lack

> > primary sexual development and have not had any

> > growth since 11 years

> > of age///I have very little sexual function and I

> > have not developed

> > secondary sexual characteristics/-//My testicles

> are

> > small and so is

> > my penis, and I have never had an erection in my

> > life///I have had

> > hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by a

> > factor of 2 and

> > marginal testosterone levels///I was able to do a

> > fertility test, and

> > it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of sperms

> only

> > work), my

> > spermogensis is marginal.

> >

> > Problem:

> >

> > The UK ranges are incorrect according to the USA

> > ranges. One medical

> > organization known as AACE has proven to have the

> > most accurate

> > ranges. So far my specialists have denied me

> > treatment despite my

> > shocking problems. They have given me treatments,

> > which are very

> > basic i.e. Testosterone shots only. I had one

> shot,

> > which should be

> > effective for a month, and it did not work at all.

> I

> > think I have met

> > a decent doctor after all, who said to my GP, I

> need

>

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thnx for the extra information, I will also get the

test done, and the next doctor must, if he is a good

one, which he seems to be from his call.

anyhow,,my e2 is high,,i need to get it down with

tamofixen, and the ranges i gave as an example also

showed why. i know i need a pituitary, adrenals,

thryoid MRI's and the test u mentioned. too.

but i think once my E2 is down, my development should

continue, i.e. get an erections, and get my penis to

grow, as it has not developed, along with testicles.

my cortisol is low? what does that cause....so it

looks like i may need an extra treatment on top of ,

HGH,HCG,E2 SUPPRESSOR, t shots to max growth.

and how long r u using Cortef for? for life? or a

certain period? can it not be permantly fixed?

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> I gave you a link to Nick O'Hara send him an

> Email telling him your problems and I am sure he can

> hook you up with a Dr.

>

> I see your E2 is on the high side but not all that

> bad. 120 in my units it is 33 pg/ml yet with me

> this is to high and I get ED that the pill will not

> help. Yet we have men with levels this high and

> they do dam good.

>

> I see a problem with your Cortisol levels they

> look to me to be dam low. 204 in my units is 7

> ug/dl. My test come back at 8 and my Dr. put me on

> Cortef 5mgs 4 x's a day. Levels this low are

> Adrenal Fatigue a good level would be in my units

> over 15 best at 20. You would do good to have an

> ACTH Stim test here is a link about it and how to

> read it. It can also show if your have a pituitary

> problem.

>

>

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=208

> Also here is a FAQ's we did some time ago a great

> read.

>

>

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

> Your IGF-1 look dam good to me mine is 210.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> Here are my results:

>

> (TSH) 1.42 (0.27-4.20) mU/L

> (Free T4) 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L

> (FSH) 6.8 (1.5-11.4) U/L

> (LH) 7.7 (1.7-8.6) U/L

> (Oestradiol) 120 (28-156) pmol/l

> (Prolactin) 215 (86-324) IU/ml

> (Testosterone) 16.6 (9.9-27.8 ) nmol/l

> (17 OH-Progesterone) 2.66 (0.90-10.00) nmol//l

> (Androstenedione) 3.16 (0.68-10.00) nmol/L

> *Cortisol (Rdm)* 204 nmol/L

>

> (IgF 1) 785 (197-956) ng/ml

> (Binding Protein 3) 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L

>

> These were my endocrine results. The UK doctors keep

> saying I am normal depsite my problems standing out

> so

> clear! With the USA ranges, I am not normal.

>

> My HGH came too low >>> I done this through a normal

> blood test.

>

> Serum growth hormone = 0.1 ml.U/L (0.0 - 10.0)

> Supplementary Result

>

> I tried Muse 1000, Cialis 20mg, and they both

> failed.

> I have still never had an erection. I know my E2 is

> high as the American ranges say that the E2 for men

> should be between 13-50 and the AACE says, 25-40. I

> am

> 120! And the UK ranges is 25-156!!! I have ordered

> Tamoxifen to start the suppression of my E2. And i

> will find the source with my next doctor, has he

> seems

> gd and wants me to do scans, finally a dr who knows

> what he is doing! Now i av 2 caverject 20 to try.

> and

> i am going to use one this week, with a urologist,

> and

> the other with my friend. to see the response. i

> know

> i need hgh injections and on top need to supress my

> e2. the e2 being suppressed will make my t rise,,and

> on top my testicles and penis should develop as they

> should have done so, and get my erections coming. i

> am

> also going to take HCG. and i really owe it DON,

> such

> a great guy!!! i owe it to him big time,,and i hope

> there r more ppl like him,,so we can all unite and

> help one another...thnx everyone xx

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > Hi it's great your helping him I need to know how

> > high his E2 is I was up over 90 pg/ml and it made

> me

> > dam sick yet I was on TRT and the T meds were

> > driving up my E2. If he is this high just getting

> > this down with Arimidex will make him feel better

> > and if he got wood with the Muse he might get his

> > wood just getting E2 down. When my Dr. tried to

> get

> > my E2 down we did everything but Arimidex and

> > nothing worked. Tamoxifen did nothing and I feel

> > his high E2 levels could he keeping his

> Testosterone

> > levels down and messing with his Thyroid and

> > Cortiosl levels here is a link about this. The

> link

> > is about older men but the problem is the same. I

> > tried all the pills and could not get any wood my

> ED

> > was so bad a pill even doing Muse shots did not

> > work. Today and I am 63 my wood and sex life is

> > fine.

> >

> >

>

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

> >

> > Also there is a web site run by Nick O'Hara

> > here is a link to his site he can help find him a

> > Dr.

> > http://www.androids.org.uk/

> >

> > Don <donaldb@...> wrote:

> > Oh I have to chime in on this one, as ive been

> > working with him for some

> > time. This kid has had some major shit getting

> > treatment, his arms are 4”

> > wider than his and he is asominac , no night wood,

> > severely underdeveloped

> > testes that I would have guessed at stage 2. He

> got

> > told too long “its in

> > his head”. Since mid pubertal delay was my

> > specialty, I have been giving him

> > some help from my education, my professors, Dr

> > Crissler, and even this

> > group. The kid has an E2 pump basically somewhere

> > antagonizing his T,

> > suppressing development. HE also had possible

> > vascular insult, he had

> > hernias bilateral when a baby and undecended

> > testicles. 2 Muse 1000s cant

> > get him hard. I’m hoping it was misapplication but

> > he has 2 caverjects to

> > try, after that I think he REALLY needs a penal

> > ultrasound with Doppler to

> > figure why the “”last resort” ED meds are not

> > working.. MRI of the

> > pituitary, adrenals, and thyroid.

> >

> > ly, I think his physical fitness is from sure

> > will. I wont go into it

> > but he exercises more than half of us combined..

> >

> > One issue im severely concerned about, the patient

> > has a twin sister, and we

> > have yet to receive cross genetic testing. Nor has

> > ultrasound or CT been

> > done of our friend to check for extra parts. He

> had

> > severe gyno at 13. I

> > frankly wouldn’t mind ordering a fully body low

> > resolution MRI.

> >

> > In my internship at a cross project of 2 major

> > pharmaceutical companies, I

> > helped in the experimental endocronologic

> treatment

> > in over 1500 young men

> > and women, and I was one of them… They didn’t have

> > the ancers then, we still

> > don’t. I never “got to know” them like out friend

> > here, I really hope he can

> > achieve his minimum goals at least, from the

> bottom

> > of my heart.

> >

> > 6 years ago I would have had the resources of a

> > billion dollar lab to help

> > our new member out, yet that is the past.

> >

> > -Don

> > Organic chemistry major with specialization of

> > adolescent endourologic

> > proteins in humans, UTA Arlington

> >

> > BTW, class one of endo 101, Professor said:

> > What im going to teach you is made up from

> primitive

> > observation, and

> > sometimes whole cloth. This is what we THINK we

> know

> > what these hormones do.

> > Never assume anything. We know nothing yet.

> >

> > It sucks no having a professor to countersign my

> > RXs. Half a dam semester &

> > grad, the tumor I had just couldn’t wait..

> >

> > One thing being in this group has taught me. My

> 101

> > teacher was spot on.

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From:

> > [mailto: ]

>

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are you saying that tamofixen (e2 suppresing pill)

will not help get my e2 down? it should do....but i am

not relying this on life, this is only during the

time, until the source of my high e2 can be nuked and

the rest of the problems solved.

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> I gave you a link to Nick O'Hara send him an

> Email telling him your problems and I am sure he can

> hook you up with a Dr.

>

> I see your E2 is on the high side but not all that

> bad. 120 in my units it is 33 pg/ml yet with me

> this is to high and I get ED that the pill will not

> help. Yet we have men with levels this high and

> they do dam good.

>

> I see a problem with your Cortisol levels they

> look to me to be dam low. 204 in my units is 7

> ug/dl. My test come back at 8 and my Dr. put me on

> Cortef 5mgs 4 x's a day. Levels this low are

> Adrenal Fatigue a good level would be in my units

> over 15 best at 20. You would do good to have an

> ACTH Stim test here is a link about it and how to

> read it. It can also show if your have a pituitary

> problem.

>

>

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=208

> Also here is a FAQ's we did some time ago a great

> read.

>

>

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

> Your IGF-1 look dam good to me mine is 210.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> Here are my results:

>

> (TSH) 1.42 (0.27-4.20) mU/L

> (Free T4) 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L

> (FSH) 6.8 (1.5-11.4) U/L

> (LH) 7.7 (1.7-8.6) U/L

> (Oestradiol) 120 (28-156) pmol/l

> (Prolactin) 215 (86-324) IU/ml

> (Testosterone) 16.6 (9.9-27.8 ) nmol/l

> (17 OH-Progesterone) 2.66 (0.90-10.00) nmol//l

> (Androstenedione) 3.16 (0.68-10.00) nmol/L

> *Cortisol (Rdm)* 204 nmol/L

>

> (IgF 1) 785 (197-956) ng/ml

> (Binding Protein 3) 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L

>

> These were my endocrine results. The UK doctors keep

> saying I am normal depsite my problems standing out

> so

> clear! With the USA ranges, I am not normal.

>

> My HGH came too low >>> I done this through a normal

> blood test.

>

> Serum growth hormone = 0.1 ml.U/L (0.0 - 10.0)

> Supplementary Result

>

> I tried Muse 1000, Cialis 20mg, and they both

> failed.

> I have still never had an erection. I know my E2 is

> high as the American ranges say that the E2 for men

> should be between 13-50 and the AACE says, 25-40. I

> am

> 120! And the UK ranges is 25-156!!! I have ordered

> Tamoxifen to start the suppression of my E2. And i

> will find the source with my next doctor, has he

> seems

> gd and wants me to do scans, finally a dr who knows

> what he is doing! Now i av 2 caverject 20 to try.

> and

> i am going to use one this week, with a urologist,

> and

> the other with my friend. to see the response. i

> know

> i need hgh injections and on top need to supress my

> e2. the e2 being suppressed will make my t rise,,and

> on top my testicles and penis should develop as they

> should have done so, and get my erections coming. i

> am

> also going to take HCG. and i really owe it DON,

> such

> a great guy!!! i owe it to him big time,,and i hope

> there r more ppl like him,,so we can all unite and

> help one another...thnx everyone xx

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > Hi it's great your helping him I need to know how

> > high his E2 is I was up over 90 pg/ml and it made

> me

> > dam sick yet I was on TRT and the T meds were

> > driving up my E2. If he is this high just getting

> > this down with Arimidex will make him feel better

> > and if he got wood with the Muse he might get his

> > wood just getting E2 down. When my Dr. tried to

> get

> > my E2 down we did everything but Arimidex and

> > nothing worked. Tamoxifen did nothing and I feel

> > his high E2 levels could he keeping his

> Testosterone

> > levels down and messing with his Thyroid and

> > Cortiosl levels here is a link about this. The

> link

> > is about older men but the problem is the same. I

> > tried all the pills and could not get any wood my

> ED

> > was so bad a pill even doing Muse shots did not

> > work. Today and I am 63 my wood and sex life is

> > fine.

> >

> >

>

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

> >

> > Also there is a web site run by Nick O'Hara

> > here is a link to his site he can help find him a

> > Dr.

> > http://www.androids.org.uk/

> >

> > Don <donaldb@...> wrote:

> > Oh I have to chime in on this one, as ive been

> > working with him for some

> > time. This kid has had some major shit getting

> > treatment, his arms are 4”

> > wider than his and he is asominac , no night wood,

> > severely underdeveloped

> > testes that I would have guessed at stage 2. He

> got

> > told too long “its in

> > his head”. Since mid pubertal delay was my

> > specialty, I have been giving him

> > some help from my education, my professors, Dr

> > Crissler, and even this

> > group. The kid has an E2 pump basically somewhere

> > antagonizing his T,

> > suppressing development. HE also had possible

> > vascular insult, he had

> > hernias bilateral when a baby and undecended

> > testicles. 2 Muse 1000s cant

> > get him hard. I’m hoping it was misapplication but

> > he has 2 caverjects to

> > try, after that I think he REALLY needs a penal

> > ultrasound with Doppler to

> > figure why the “”last resort” ED meds are not

> > working.. MRI of the

> > pituitary, adrenals, and thyroid.

> >

> > ly, I think his physical fitness is from sure

> > will. I wont go into it

> > but he exercises more than half of us combined..

> >

> > One issue im severely concerned about, the patient

> > has a twin sister, and we

> > have yet to receive cross genetic testing. Nor has

> > ultrasound or CT been

> > done of our friend to check for extra parts. He

> had

> > severe gyno at 13. I

> > frankly wouldn’t mind ordering a fully body low

> > resolution MRI.

> >

> > In my internship at a cross project of 2 major

> > pharmaceutical companies, I

> > helped in the experimental endocronologic

> treatment

> > in over 1500 young men

> > and women, and I was one of them… They didn’t have

> > the ancers then, we still

> > don’t. I never “got to know” them like out friend

> > here, I really hope he can

> > achieve his minimum goals at least, from the

> bottom

> > of my heart.

> >

> > 6 years ago I would have had the resources of a

> > billion dollar lab to help

> > our new member out, yet that is the past.

> >

> > -Don

> > Organic chemistry major with specialization of

> > adolescent endourologic

> > proteins in humans, UTA Arlington

> >

> > BTW, class one of endo 101, Professor said:

> > What im going to teach you is made up from

> primitive

> > observation, and

> > sometimes whole cloth. This is what we THINK we

> know

> > what these hormones do.

> > Never assume anything. We know nothing yet.

> >

> > It sucks no having a professor to countersign my

> > RXs. Half a dam semester &

> > grad, the tumor I had just couldn’t wait..

> >

> > One thing being in this group has taught me. My

> 101

> > teacher was spot on.

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From:

> > [mailto: ]

>

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A regular blood test does not give any indication of Growth Hormone

Deficiency. Most people tested come out very low due to the timing

of GH pulses being mainly nocturnal.

The only way that GH deficiency can be confirmed/diagnosed is via a

dynamic test such as an Insulin Tolerance test.

If you are GH deficient it you will have a poor response on the ITT

test.

You might well be GH deficient, but you have to have the test to know.

As for your other results I don't see a testosterone issue at all

from your result, if that test was without testosterone therapy/ TRT

then it does not indicate hypogondism.

16.6nmol/l is NOT low.

At least what is tested is insufficient.

Your LH level is a little high though and given the lack of a free

testosterone result (almost never tested in the UK- if you are in the

UK) and so an SHBG test is required, that is an important factor in a

proper evaluation and it is missing.

Also if the clinical presentation is of Klinefelters etc then the

genetics can be more important than simply the testosterone level and

would indicate the need for a genetic test.

Summary:

> > > >

> > > > I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity and

> > my

> > > > sexual organs, I

> > > > have had a delay in development. And my hormones

> > are

> > > > not normal for

> > > > an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional

> > > > delay///My growth ratio

> > > > is very off, my trunk (mid-section/body/spine)

> > is 4

> > > > inches short.

> > > > Making my arms and legs as long as a person who

> > is

> > > > 6ft2, whilst I am

> > > > only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer than my

> > > > height///I lack

> > > > primary sexual development and have not had any

> > > > growth since 11 years

> > > > of age///I have very little sexual function and

> > I

> > > > have not developed

> > > > secondary sexual characteristics///My testicles

> > are

> > > > small and so is

> > > > my penis, and I have never had an erection in my

> > > > life///I have had

> > > > hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by a

> > > > factor of 2 and

> > > > marginal testosterone levels///I was able to do

> > a

> > > > fertility test, and

> > > > it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of sperms

> > only

> > > > work), my

> > > > spermogensis is marginal.

> > > >

> > > > Problem:

> > > >

> > > > The UK ranges are incorrect according to the USA

> > > > ranges. One medical

> > > > organization known as AACE has proven to have

> > the

> > > > most accurate

> > > > ranges. So far my specialists have denied me

> > > > treatment despite my

> > > > shocking problems. They have given me

> > treatments,

> > > > which are very

> > > > basic i.e. Testosterone shots only. I had one

> > shot,

> > > > which should be

> > > > effective for a month, and it did not work at

> > all. I

> > > > think I have met

> > > > a decent doctor after all, who said to my GP, I

> > need

> > > > scans and long

> > > > term treatment, so he made a special request to

> > get

> > > > to see me ASAP.

> > > > He moved me from private to on the NHS. His name

> > is

> > > > Professor Mehul

> > > > Tulsidas Dattani.

> > > >

> > > > I need:

> > > >

> > > > -HGH (human growth hormone) or also known as GH

> > > > (growth hormone)> to

> > > > cause trunk (spine) growth.

> > > > -HCG or also known as rHCG > to cause sperm and

> > > > testicle growth.

> > > > -E2 Suppressor > to cause sperm, testicle, penis

> > and

> > > > masculine growth

> > > > (to keep the female hormone E2 down and

> > maintained).

> > > >

> > > > -Testosterone shots > to maximise my growth.

> > > > -To try Caverject and see if it works > to see

> > if I

> > > > have nerve

> > > > problems with my penis or not.

> > > >

> > > > 1/ Will be used for 2-4 years, used daily.

> > (Until

> > > > real growth is seen

> > > > i.e. trunk growth I will continue using it).

> > > >

> > > > a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> > > > a) rHGH 0.6 IU c) 31 d) QD

> > > >

> > > > Note: Adjust dose according to growth response,

> > > > monitor IGF-1,

> > > > maintain levels at maximum tolerable levels for

> > 6

> > > > months, if growth

> > > > goals are not progressing, discontinue

> > treatment.

> > > >

> > > > 2/ Will be used for 6 months, used daily.

> > (Within

> > > > this time,

> > > > hopefully the doctor should have nuked the

> > source

> > > > that over produces

> > > > the E2, female hormone, which can be found from

> > MRI

> > > > and ultrasound

> > > > scans).

> > > >

> > > > a) Medication Dose c) Qty d) Freq

> > > > a) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin 500IU c) 60

> > d)

> > > > BID

> > > >

> > > > Note: Separate dosages by 12 hours, adjust up or

> > > > down according to

> > > > resultant serum testosterone levelsBrands:

> > A.P.L.,

> > > > Chorex-10, Chorex-

> > > > 5, Choron-10, Gonic, Novarel, Ovidrel, Pregnyl,

> > > > ProfasiPharmacy allow

> > > > syringes compatible with medication.

> > > >

> > > > 3/ Will be used to maintain the E2. (Will be

> > stopped

> > > > if the source of

> >

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All I am saying is Tamofixen is an good for man boobs and in some men will make

your LH go higher making more testosterone. This is a link from a Body Building

site pay this no mind it is full of the info you need about this. For me

Tamofixen did not move my E2.

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=150estro2

I don't know what you mean about Nuking your E2 never heard of this you need

it to live you can't just kill it.

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote:

are you saying that tamofixen (e2 suppresing pill)

will not help get my e2 down? it should do....but i am

not relying this on life, this is only during the

time, until the source of my high e2 can be nuked and

the rest of the problems solved.

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> I gave you a link to Nick O'Hara send him an

> Email telling him your problems and I am sure he can

> hook you up with a Dr.

>

> I see your E2 is on the high side but not all that

> bad. 120 in my units it is 33 pg/ml yet with me

> this is to high and I get ED that the pill will not

> help. Yet we have men with levels this high and

> they do dam good.

>

> I see a problem with your Cortisol levels they

> look to me to be dam low. 204 in my units is 7

> ug/dl. My test come back at 8 and my Dr. put me on

> Cortef 5mgs 4 x's a day. Levels this low are

> Adrenal Fatigue a good level would be in my units

> over 15 best at 20. You would do good to have an

> ACTH Stim test here is a link about it and how to

> read it. It can also show if your have a pituitary

> problem.

>

>

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=208

> Also here is a FAQ's we did some time ago a great

> read.

>

>

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

> Your IGF-1 look dam good to me mine is 210.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> Here are my results:

>

> (TSH) 1.42 (0.27-4.20) mU/L

> (Free T4) 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L

> (FSH) 6.8 (1.5-11.4) U/L

> (LH) 7.7 (1.7-8.6) U/L

> (Oestradiol) 120 (28-156) pmol/l

> (Prolactin) 215 (86-324) IU/ml

> (Testosterone) 16.6 (9.9-27.8 ) nmol/l

> (17 OH-Progesterone) 2.66 (0.90-10.00) nmol//l

> (Androstenedione) 3.16 (0.68-10.00) nmol/L

> *Cortisol (Rdm)* 204 nmol/L

>

> (IgF 1) 785 (197-956) ng/ml

> (Binding Protein 3) 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L

>

> These were my endocrine results. The UK doctors keep

> saying I am normal depsite my problems standing out

> so

> clear! With the USA ranges, I am not normal.

>

> My HGH came too low >>> I done this through a normal

> blood test.

>

> Serum growth hormone = 0.1 ml.U/L (0.0 - 10.0)

> Supplementary Result

>

> I tried Muse 1000, Cialis 20mg, and they both

> failed.

> I have still never had an erection. I know my E2 is

> high as the American ranges say that the E2 for men

> should be between 13-50 and the AACE says, 25-40. I

> am

> 120! And the UK ranges is 25-156!!! I have ordered

> Tamoxifen to start the suppression of my E2. And i

> will find the source with my next doctor, has he

> seems

> gd and wants me to do scans, finally a dr who knows

> what he is doing! Now i av 2 caverject 20 to try.

> and

> i am going to use one this week, with a urologist,

> and

> the other with my friend. to see the response. i

> know

> i need hgh injections and on top need to supress my

> e2. the e2 being suppressed will make my t rise,,and

> on top my testicles and penis should develop as they

> should have done so, and get my erections coming. i

> am

> also going to take HCG. and i really owe it DON,

> such

> a great guy!!! i owe it to him big time,,and i hope

> there r more ppl like him,,so we can all unite and

> help one another...thnx everyone xx

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > Hi it's great your helping him I need to know how

> > high his E2 is I was up over 90 pg/ml and it made

> me

> > dam sick yet I was on TRT and the T meds were

> > driving up my E2. If he is this high just getting

> > this down with Arimidex will make him feel better

> > and if he got wood with the Muse he might get his

> > wood just getting E2 down. When my Dr. tried to

> get

> > my E2 down we did everything but Arimidex and

> > nothing worked. Tamoxifen did nothing and I feel

> > his high E2 levels could he keeping his

> Testosterone

> > levels down and messing with his Thyroid and

> > Cortiosl levels here is a link about this. The

> link

> > is about older men but the problem is the same. I

> > tried all the pills and could not get any wood my

> ED

> > was so bad a pill even doing Muse shots did not

> > work. Today and I am 63 my wood and sex life is

> > fine.

> >

> >

>

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

> >

> > Also there is a web site run by Nick O'Hara

> > here is a link to his site he can help find him a

> > Dr.

> > http://www.androids.org.uk/

> >

> > Don <donaldb@...> wrote:

> > Oh I have to chime in on this one, as ive been

> > working with him for some

> > time. This kid has had some major shit getting

> > treatment, his arms are 4”

> > wider than his and he is asominac , no night wood,

> > severely underdeveloped

> > testes that I would have guessed at stage 2. He

> got

> > told too long “its in

> > his head”. Since mid pubertal delay was my

> > specialty, I have been giving him

> > some help from my education, my professors, Dr

> > Crissler, and even this

> > group. The kid has an E2 pump basically somewhere

> > antagonizing his T,

> > suppressing development. HE also had possible

> > vascular insult, he had

> > hernias bilateral when a baby and undecended

> > testicles. 2 Muse 1000s cant

> > get him hard. I’m hoping it was misapplication but

> > he has 2 caverjects to

> > try, after that I think he REALLY needs a penal

> > ultrasound with Doppler to

> > figure why the “”last resort” ED meds are not

> > working.. MRI of the

> > pituitary, adrenals, and thyroid.

> >

> > ly, I think his physical fitness is from sure

> > will. I wont go into it

> > but he exercises more than half of us combined..

> >

> > One issue im severely concerned about, the patient

> > has a twin sister, and we

> > have yet to receive cross genetic testing. Nor has

> > ultrasound or CT been

> > done of our friend to check for extra parts. He

> had

> > severe gyno at 13. I

> > frankly wouldn’t mind ordering a fully body low

> > resolution MRI.

> >

> > In my internship at a cross project of 2 major

> > pharmaceutical companies, I

> > helped in the experimental endocronologic

> treatment

> > in over 1500 young men

> > and women, and I was one of them… They didn’t have

> > the ancers then, we still

> > don’t. I never “got to know” them like out friend

> > here, I really hope he can

> > achieve his minimum goals at least, from the

> bottom

> > of my heart.

> >

> > 6 years ago I would have had the resources of a

> > billion dollar lab to help

> > our new member out, yet that is the past.

> >

> > -Don

> > Organic chemistry major with specialization of

> > adolescent endourologic

> > proteins in humans, UTA Arlington

> >

> > BTW, class one of endo 101, Professor said:

> > What im going to teach you is made up from

> primitive

> > observation, and

> > sometimes whole cloth. This is what we THINK we

> know

> > what these hormones do.

> > Never assume anything. We know nothing yet.

> >

> > It sucks no having a professor to countersign my

> > RXs. Half a dam semester &

> > grad, the tumor I had just couldn’t wait..

> >

> > One thing being in this group has taught me. My

> 101

> > teacher was spot on.

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From:

> > [mailto: ]

>

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thnx,

i meant to say nuke the E2 source, so that my e2 comes

in the 20-40 range,,,the american way,,,,,not 120, the

UK way,,

if tamofixen does not work,,,then i will need arimidex

to try,,but my E2 is high according to the USA updated

ranges, and it does play a role,,,thnx again, x

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> All I am saying is Tamofixen is an good for man

> boobs and in some men will make your LH go higher

> making more testosterone. This is a link from a

> Body Building site pay this no mind it is full of

> the info you need about this. For me Tamofixen did

> not move my E2.

>

>

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=150estro2

> I don't know what you mean about Nuking your E2

> never heard of this you need it to live you can't

> just kill it.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> are you saying that tamofixen (e2

> suppresing pill)

> will not help get my e2 down? it should do....but i

> am

> not relying this on life, this is only during the

> time, until the source of my high e2 can be nuked

> and

> the rest of the problems solved.

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > I gave you a link to Nick O'Hara send him an

> > Email telling him your problems and I am sure he

> can

> > hook you up with a Dr.

> >

> > I see your E2 is on the high side but not all that

> > bad. 120 in my units it is 33 pg/ml yet with me

> > this is to high and I get ED that the pill will

> not

> > help. Yet we have men with levels this high and

> > they do dam good.

> >

> > I see a problem with your Cortisol levels they

> > look to me to be dam low. 204 in my units is 7

> > ug/dl. My test come back at 8 and my Dr. put me on

> > Cortef 5mgs 4 x's a day. Levels this low are

> > Adrenal Fatigue a good level would be in my units

> > over 15 best at 20. You would do good to have an

> > ACTH Stim test here is a link about it and how to

> > read it. It can also show if your have a pituitary

> > problem.

> >

> >

>

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=208

> > Also here is a FAQ's we did some time ago a great

> > read.

> >

> >

>

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

> > Your IGF-1 look dam good to me mine is 210.

> >

> > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote:

> > Here are my results:

> >

> > (TSH) 1.42 (0.27-4.20) mU/L

> > (Free T4) 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L

> > (FSH) 6.8 (1.5-11.4) U/L

> > (LH) 7.7 (1.7-8.6) U/L

> > (Oestradiol) 120 (28-156) pmol/l

> > (Prolactin) 215 (86-324) IU/ml

> > (Testosterone) 16.6 (9.9-27.8 ) nmol/l

> > (17 OH-Progesterone) 2.66 (0.90-10.00) nmol//l

> > (Androstenedione) 3.16 (0.68-10.00) nmol/L

> > *Cortisol (Rdm)* 204 nmol/L

> >

> > (IgF 1) 785 (197-956) ng/ml

> > (Binding Protein 3) 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L

> >

> > These were my endocrine results. The UK doctors

> keep

> > saying I am normal depsite my problems standing

> out

> > so

> > clear! With the USA ranges, I am not normal.

> >

> > My HGH came too low >>> I done this through a

> normal

> > blood test.

> >

> > Serum growth hormone = 0.1 ml.U/L (0.0 - 10.0)

> > Supplementary Result

> >

> > I tried Muse 1000, Cialis 20mg, and they both

> > failed.

> > I have still never had an erection. I know my E2

> is

> > high as the American ranges say that the E2 for

> men

> > should be between 13-50 and the AACE says, 25-40.

> I

> > am

> > 120! And the UK ranges is 25-156!!! I have ordered

> > Tamoxifen to start the suppression of my E2. And i

> > will find the source with my next doctor, has he

> > seems

> > gd and wants me to do scans, finally a dr who

> knows

> > what he is doing! Now i av 2 caverject 20 to try.

> > and

> > i am going to use one this week, with a urologist,

> > and

> > the other with my friend. to see the response. i

> > know

> > i need hgh injections and on top need to supress

> my

> > e2. the e2 being suppressed will make my t

> rise,,and

> > on top my testicles and penis should develop as

> they

> > should have done so, and get my erections coming.

> i

> > am

> > also going to take HCG. and i really owe it DON,

> > such

> > a great guy!!! i owe it to him big time,,and i

> hope

> > there r more ppl like him,,so we can all unite and

> > help one another...thnx everyone xx

> > --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi it's great your helping him I need to know

> how

> > > high his E2 is I was up over 90 pg/ml and it

> made

> > me

> > > dam sick yet I was on TRT and the T meds were

> > > driving up my E2. If he is this high just

> getting

> > > this down with Arimidex will make him feel

> better

> > > and if he got wood with the Muse he might get

> his

> > > wood just getting E2 down. When my Dr. tried to

> > get

> > > my E2 down we did everything but Arimidex and

> > > nothing worked. Tamoxifen did nothing and I feel

> > > his high E2 levels could he keeping his

> > Testosterone

> > > levels down and messing with his Thyroid and

> > > Cortiosl levels here is a link about this. The

> > link

> > > is about older men but the problem is the same.

> I

> > > tried all the pills and could not get any wood

> my

> > ED

> > > was so bad a pill even doing Muse shots did not

> > > work. Today and I am 63 my wood and sex life is

> > > fine.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

> > >

> > > Also there is a web site run by Nick O'Hara

>

> > > here is a link to his site he can help find him

> a

> > > Dr.

> > > http://www.androids.org.uk/

> > >

> > > Don <donaldb@...> wrote:

> > > Oh I have to chime in on this one, as ive been

> > > working with him for some

> > > time. This kid has had some major shit getting

> > > treatment, his arms are 4”

> > > wider than his and he is asominac , no night

> wood,

> > > severely underdeveloped

> > > testes that I would have guessed at stage 2. He

> > got

> > > told too long “its in

> > > his head”. Since mid pubertal delay was my

> > > specialty, I have been giving him

> > > some help from my education, my professors, Dr

> > > Crissler, and even this

> > > group. The kid has an E2 pump basically

> somewhere

> > > antagonizing his T,

> > > suppressing development. HE also had possible

> > > vascular insult, he had

> > > hernias bilateral when a baby and undecended

> > > testicles. 2 Muse 1000s cant

> > > get him hard. I’m hoping it was misapplication

> but

> > > he has 2 caverjects to

> > > try, after that I think he REALLY needs a penal

> > > ultrasound with Doppler to

> > > figure why the “”last resort” ED meds are not

> > > working.. MRI of the

> > > pituitary, adrenals, and thyroid.

> > >

> > > ly, I think his physical fitness is from

> sure

> > > will. I wont go into it

>

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I am on Cortef for like I am Hypopituitary and my Thyroid, Testis, Adrenals

don't get the messages to make hormones. But not everyone with low Cortisol

levels are on this for life. I had a bad auto accident at age 40 it took me

seeing a mess of Dr.'s 23 yrs to figure out I damaged my Pituitary in this

accident. So I was still able to live a some what good life. I have been on

Testosterone for a long time this helped.

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote:

thnx for the extra information, I will also get the

test done, and the next doctor must, if he is a good

one, which he seems to be from his call.

anyhow,,my e2 is high,,i need to get it down with

tamofixen, and the ranges i gave as an example also

showed why. i know i need a pituitary, adrenals,

thryoid MRI's and the test u mentioned. too.

but i think once my E2 is down, my development should

continue, i.e. get an erections, and get my penis to

grow, as it has not developed, along with testicles.

my cortisol is low? what does that cause....so it

looks like i may need an extra treatment on top of ,

HGH,HCG,E2 SUPPRESSOR, t shots to max growth.

and how long r u using Cortef for? for life? or a

certain period? can it not be permantly fixed?

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> I gave you a link to Nick O'Hara send him an

> Email telling him your problems and I am sure he can

> hook you up with a Dr.

>

> I see your E2 is on the high side but not all that

> bad. 120 in my units it is 33 pg/ml yet with me

> this is to high and I get ED that the pill will not

> help. Yet we have men with levels this high and

> they do dam good.

>

> I see a problem with your Cortisol levels they

> look to me to be dam low. 204 in my units is 7

> ug/dl. My test come back at 8 and my Dr. put me on

> Cortef 5mgs 4 x's a day. Levels this low are

> Adrenal Fatigue a good level would be in my units

> over 15 best at 20. You would do good to have an

> ACTH Stim test here is a link about it and how to

> read it. It can also show if your have a pituitary

> problem.

>

>

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=208

> Also here is a FAQ's we did some time ago a great

> read.

>

>

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

> Your IGF-1 look dam good to me mine is 210.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> Here are my results:

>

> (TSH) 1.42 (0.27-4.20) mU/L

> (Free T4) 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L

> (FSH) 6.8 (1.5-11.4) U/L

> (LH) 7.7 (1.7-8.6) U/L

> (Oestradiol) 120 (28-156) pmol/l

> (Prolactin) 215 (86-324) IU/ml

> (Testosterone) 16.6 (9.9-27.8 ) nmol/l

> (17 OH-Progesterone) 2.66 (0.90-10.00) nmol//l

> (Androstenedione) 3.16 (0.68-10.00) nmol/L

> *Cortisol (Rdm)* 204 nmol/L

>

> (IgF 1) 785 (197-956) ng/ml

> (Binding Protein 3) 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L

>

> These were my endocrine results. The UK doctors keep

> saying I am normal depsite my problems standing out

> so

> clear! With the USA ranges, I am not normal.

>

> My HGH came too low >>> I done this through a normal

> blood test.

>

> Serum growth hormone = 0.1 ml.U/L (0.0 - 10.0)

> Supplementary Result

>

> I tried Muse 1000, Cialis 20mg, and they both

> failed.

> I have still never had an erection. I know my E2 is

> high as the American ranges say that the E2 for men

> should be between 13-50 and the AACE says, 25-40. I

> am

> 120! And the UK ranges is 25-156!!! I have ordered

> Tamoxifen to start the suppression of my E2. And i

> will find the source with my next doctor, has he

> seems

> gd and wants me to do scans, finally a dr who knows

> what he is doing! Now i av 2 caverject 20 to try.

> and

> i am going to use one this week, with a urologist,

> and

> the other with my friend. to see the response. i

> know

> i need hgh injections and on top need to supress my

> e2. the e2 being suppressed will make my t rise,,and

> on top my testicles and penis should develop as they

> should have done so, and get my erections coming. i

> am

> also going to take HCG. and i really owe it DON,

> such

> a great guy!!! i owe it to him big time,,and i hope

> there r more ppl like him,,so we can all unite and

> help one another...thnx everyone xx

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > Hi it's great your helping him I need to know how

> > high his E2 is I was up over 90 pg/ml and it made

> me

> > dam sick yet I was on TRT and the T meds were

> > driving up my E2. If he is this high just getting

> > this down with Arimidex will make him feel better

> > and if he got wood with the Muse he might get his

> > wood just getting E2 down. When my Dr. tried to

> get

> > my E2 down we did everything but Arimidex and

> > nothing worked. Tamoxifen did nothing and I feel

> > his high E2 levels could he keeping his

> Testosterone

> > levels down and messing with his Thyroid and

> > Cortiosl levels here is a link about this. The

> link

> > is about older men but the problem is the same. I

> > tried all the pills and could not get any wood my

> ED

> > was so bad a pill even doing Muse shots did not

> > work. Today and I am 63 my wood and sex life is

> > fine.

> >

> >

>

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

> >

> > Also there is a web site run by Nick O'Hara

> > here is a link to his site he can help find him a

> > Dr.

> > http://www.androids.org.uk/

> >

> > Don <donaldb@...> wrote:

> > Oh I have to chime in on this one, as ive been

> > working with him for some

> > time. This kid has had some major shit getting

> > treatment, his arms are 4”

> > wider than his and he is asominac , no night wood,

> > severely underdeveloped

> > testes that I would have guessed at stage 2. He

> got

> > told too long “its in

> > his head”. Since mid pubertal delay was my

> > specialty, I have been giving him

> > some help from my education, my professors, Dr

> > Crissler, and even this

> > group. The kid has an E2 pump basically somewhere

> > antagonizing his T,

> > suppressing development. HE also had possible

> > vascular insult, he had

> > hernias bilateral when a baby and undecended

> > testicles. 2 Muse 1000s cant

> > get him hard. I’m hoping it was misapplication but

> > he has 2 caverjects to

> > try, after that I think he REALLY needs a penal

> > ultrasound with Doppler to

> > figure why the “”last resort” ED meds are not

> > working.. MRI of the

> > pituitary, adrenals, and thyroid.

> >

> > ly, I think his physical fitness is from sure

> > will. I wont go into it

> > but he exercises more than half of us combined..

> >

> > One issue im severely concerned about, the patient

> > has a twin sister, and we

> > have yet to receive cross genetic testing. Nor has

> > ultrasound or CT been

> > done of our friend to check for extra parts. He

> had

> > severe gyno at 13. I

> > frankly wouldn’t mind ordering a fully body low

> > resolution MRI.

> >

> > In my internship at a cross project of 2 major

> > pharmaceutical companies, I

> > helped in the experimental endocronologic

> treatment

> > in over 1500 young men

> > and women, and I was one of them… They didn’t have

> > the ancers then, we still

> > don’t. I never “got to know” them like out friend

> > here, I really hope he can

> > achieve his minimum goals at least, from the

> bottom

> > of my heart.

> >

> > 6 years ago I would have had the resources of a

> > billion dollar lab to help

> > our new member out, yet that is the past.

> >

> > -Don

> > Organic chemistry major with specialization of

> > adolescent endourologic

> > proteins in humans, UTA Arlington

> >

> > BTW, class one of endo 101, Professor said:

> > What im going to teach you is made up from

> primitive

> > observation, and

> > sometimes whole cloth. This is what we THINK we

> know

> > what these hormones do.

> > Never assume anything. We know nothing yet.

> >

> > It sucks no having a professor to countersign my

> > RXs. Half a dam semester &

> > grad, the tumor I had just couldn’t wait..

> >

> > One thing being in this group has taught me. My

> 101

> > teacher was spot on.

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From:

> > [mailto: ]

>

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i am a twin, with a sister, i may have some abnormal

extra organ or disordered glands, that causes my high

e2,

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> All I am saying is Tamofixen is an good for man

> boobs and in some men will make your LH go higher

> making more testosterone. This is a link from a

> Body Building site pay this no mind it is full of

> the info you need about this. For me Tamofixen did

> not move my E2.

>

>

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=150estro2

> I don't know what you mean about Nuking your E2

> never heard of this you need it to live you can't

> just kill it.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> are you saying that tamofixen (e2

> suppresing pill)

> will not help get my e2 down? it should do....but i

> am

> not relying this on life, this is only during the

> time, until the source of my high e2 can be nuked

> and

> the rest of the problems solved.

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > I gave you a link to Nick O'Hara send him an

> > Email telling him your problems and I am sure he

> can

> > hook you up with a Dr.

> >

> > I see your E2 is on the high side but not all that

> > bad. 120 in my units it is 33 pg/ml yet with me

> > this is to high and I get ED that the pill will

> not

> > help. Yet we have men with levels this high and

> > they do dam good.

> >

> > I see a problem with your Cortisol levels they

> > look to me to be dam low. 204 in my units is 7

> > ug/dl. My test come back at 8 and my Dr. put me on

> > Cortef 5mgs 4 x's a day. Levels this low are

> > Adrenal Fatigue a good level would be in my units

> > over 15 best at 20. You would do good to have an

> > ACTH Stim test here is a link about it and how to

> > read it. It can also show if your have a pituitary

> > problem.

> >

> >

>

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=208

> > Also here is a FAQ's we did some time ago a great

> > read.

> >

> >

>

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

> > Your IGF-1 look dam good to me mine is 210.

> >

> > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote:

> > Here are my results:

> >

> > (TSH) 1.42 (0.27-4.20) mU/L

> > (Free T4) 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L

> > (FSH) 6.8 (1.5-11.4) U/L

> > (LH) 7.7 (1.7-8.6) U/L

> > (Oestradiol) 120 (28-156) pmol/l

> > (Prolactin) 215 (86-324) IU/ml

> > (Testosterone) 16.6 (9.9-27.8 ) nmol/l

> > (17 OH-Progesterone) 2.66 (0.90-10.00) nmol//l

> > (Androstenedione) 3.16 (0.68-10.00) nmol/L

> > *Cortisol (Rdm)* 204 nmol/L

> >

> > (IgF 1) 785 (197-956) ng/ml

> > (Binding Protein 3) 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L

> >

> > These were my endocrine results. The UK doctors

> keep

> > saying I am normal depsite my problems standing

> out

> > so

> > clear! With the USA ranges, I am not normal.

> >

> > My HGH came too low >>> I done this through a

> normal

> > blood test.

> >

> > Serum growth hormone = 0.1 ml.U/L (0.0 - 10.0)

> > Supplementary Result

> >

> > I tried Muse 1000, Cialis 20mg, and they both

> > failed.

> > I have still never had an erection. I know my E2

> is

> > high as the American ranges say that the E2 for

> men

> > should be between 13-50 and the AACE says, 25-40.

> I

> > am

> > 120! And the UK ranges is 25-156!!! I have ordered

> > Tamoxifen to start the suppression of my E2. And i

> > will find the source with my next doctor, has he

> > seems

> > gd and wants me to do scans, finally a dr who

> knows

> > what he is doing! Now i av 2 caverject 20 to try.

> > and

> > i am going to use one this week, with a urologist,

> > and

> > the other with my friend. to see the response. i

> > know

> > i need hgh injections and on top need to supress

> my

> > e2. the e2 being suppressed will make my t

> rise,,and

> > on top my testicles and penis should develop as

> they

> > should have done so, and get my erections coming.

> i

> > am

> > also going to take HCG. and i really owe it DON,

> > such

> > a great guy!!! i owe it to him big time,,and i

> hope

> > there r more ppl like him,,so we can all unite and

> > help one another...thnx everyone xx

> > --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi it's great your helping him I need to know

> how

> > > high his E2 is I was up over 90 pg/ml and it

> made

> > me

> > > dam sick yet I was on TRT and the T meds were

> > > driving up my E2. If he is this high just

> getting

> > > this down with Arimidex will make him feel

> better

> > > and if he got wood with the Muse he might get

> his

> > > wood just getting E2 down. When my Dr. tried to

> > get

> > > my E2 down we did everything but Arimidex and

> > > nothing worked. Tamoxifen did nothing and I feel

> > > his high E2 levels could he keeping his

> > Testosterone

> > > levels down and messing with his Thyroid and

> > > Cortiosl levels here is a link about this. The

> > link

> > > is about older men but the problem is the same.

> I

> > > tried all the pills and could not get any wood

> my

> > ED

> > > was so bad a pill even doing Muse shots did not

> > > work. Today and I am 63 my wood and sex life is

> > > fine.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

> > >

> > > Also there is a web site run by Nick O'Hara

>

> > > here is a link to his site he can help find him

> a

> > > Dr.

> > > http://www.androids.org.uk/

> > >

> > > Don <donaldb@...> wrote:

> > > Oh I have to chime in on this one, as ive been

> > > working with him for some

> > > time. This kid has had some major shit getting

> > > treatment, his arms are 4”

> > > wider than his and he is asominac , no night

> wood,

> > > severely underdeveloped

> > > testes that I would have guessed at stage 2. He

> > got

> > > told too long “its in

> > > his head”. Since mid pubertal delay was my

> > > specialty, I have been giving him

> > > some help from my education, my professors, Dr

> > > Crissler, and even this

> > > group. The kid has an E2 pump basically

> somewhere

> > > antagonizing his T,

> > > suppressing development. HE also had possible

> > > vascular insult, he had

> > > hernias bilateral when a baby and undecended

> > > testicles. 2 Muse 1000s cant

> > > get him hard. I’m hoping it was misapplication

> but

> > > he has 2 caverjects to

> > > try, after that I think he REALLY needs a penal

> > > ultrasound with Doppler to

> > > figure why the “”last resort” ED meds are not

> > > working.. MRI of the

> > > pituitary, adrenals, and thyroid.

> > >

> > > ly, I think his physical fitness is from

> sure

> > > will. I wont go into it

>

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yes I most probaly am GH deficient, as I also have had

an abnormal growth. My trunk (spine) is 4 inches off

growth. and on top my GH came out to be too low.

I will get the proper test done too; Insulin Tolerance

test.

My test was done without testosterone therapy. The

test was done to see if I am normal on my own. But my

E2 is high. And yes I am in the UK, and I will get the

other test you mentioned done too; SHBG test. I am

going to a doctor who has a huge research/journal

profile, so I have my fingers crossed. My genetic

tests are soon to come, I have got them done,

privately and on the NHS.

--- chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> A regular blood test does not give any indication of

> Growth Hormone

> Deficiency. Most people tested come out very low

> due to the timing

> of GH pulses being mainly nocturnal.

>

> The only way that GH deficiency can be

> confirmed/diagnosed is via a

> dynamic test such as an Insulin Tolerance test.

>

> If you are GH deficient it you will have a poor

> response on the ITT

> test.

>

> You might well be GH deficient, but you have to have

> the test to know.

>

> As for your other results I don't see a testosterone

> issue at all

> from your result, if that test was without

> testosterone therapy/ TRT

> then it does not indicate hypogondism.

>

> 16.6nmol/l is NOT low.

>

> At least what is tested is insufficient.

>

> Your LH level is a little high though and given the

> lack of a free

> testosterone result (almost never tested in the UK-

> if you are in the

> UK) and so an SHBG test is required, that is an

> important factor in a

> proper evaluation and it is missing.

>

> Also if the clinical presentation is of Klinefelters

> etc then the

> genetics can be more important than simply the

> testosterone level and

> would indicate the need for a genetic test.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Summary:

> > > > >

> > > > > I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity

> and

> > > my

> > > > > sexual organs, I

> > > > > have had a delay in development. And my

> hormones

> > > are

> > > > > not normal for

> > > > > an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional

> > > > > delay///My growth ratio

> > > > > is very off, my trunk

> (mid-section/body/spine)

> > > is 4

> > > > > inches short.

> > > > > Making my arms and legs as long as a person

> who

> > > is

> > > > > 6ft2, whilst I am

> > > > > only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer

> than my

> > > > > height///I lack

> > > > > primary sexual development and have not had

> any

> > > > > growth since 11 years

> > > > > of age///I have very little sexual function

> and

> > > I

> > > > > have not developed

> > > > > secondary sexual characteristics///My

> testicles

> > > are

> > > > > small and so is

> > > > > my penis, and I have never had an erection

> in my

> > > > > life///I have had

> > > > > hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by

> a

> > > > > factor of 2 and

> > > > > marginal testosterone levels///I was able to

> do

> > > a

> > > > > fertility test, and

> > > > > it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of

> sperms

> > > only

> > > > > work), my

> > > > > spermogensis is marginal.

> > > > >

> > > > > Problem:

> > > > >

> > > > > The UK ranges are incorrect according to the

> USA

> > > > > ranges. One medical

> > > > > organization known as AACE has proven to

> have

> > > the

> > > > > most accurate

>

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and why is my GH low? i know it is, due to the legs

and arm growth, but no spine/trunk growth.

--- chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> A regular blood test does not give any indication of

> Growth Hormone

> Deficiency. Most people tested come out very low

> due to the timing

> of GH pulses being mainly nocturnal.

>

> The only way that GH deficiency can be

> confirmed/diagnosed is via a

> dynamic test such as an Insulin Tolerance test.

>

> If you are GH deficient it you will have a poor

> response on the ITT

> test.

>

> You might well be GH deficient, but you have to have

> the test to know.

>

> As for your other results I don't see a testosterone

> issue at all

> from your result, if that test was without

> testosterone therapy/ TRT

> then it does not indicate hypogondism.

>

> 16.6nmol/l is NOT low.

>

> At least what is tested is insufficient.

>

> Your LH level is a little high though and given the

> lack of a free

> testosterone result (almost never tested in the UK-

> if you are in the

> UK) and so an SHBG test is required, that is an

> important factor in a

> proper evaluation and it is missing.

>

> Also if the clinical presentation is of Klinefelters

> etc then the

> genetics can be more important than simply the

> testosterone level and

> would indicate the need for a genetic test.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Summary:

> > > > >

> > > > > I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity

> and

> > > my

> > > > > sexual organs, I

> > > > > have had a delay in development. And my

> hormones

> > > are

> > > > > not normal for

> > > > > an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional

> > > > > delay///My growth ratio

> > > > > is very off, my trunk

> (mid-section/body/spine)

> > > is 4

> > > > > inches short.

> > > > > Making my arms and legs as long as a person

> who

> > > is

> > > > > 6ft2, whilst I am

> > > > > only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer

> than my

> > > > > height///I lack

> > > > > primary sexual development and have not had

> any

> > > > > growth since 11 years

> > > > > of age///I have very little sexual function

> and

> > > I

> > > > > have not developed

> > > > > secondary sexual characteristics///My

> testicles

> > > are

> > > > > small and so is

> > > > > my penis, and I have never had an erection

> in my

> > > > > life///I have had

> > > > > hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by

> a

> > > > > factor of 2 and

> > > > > marginal testosterone levels///I was able to

> do

> > > a

> > > > > fertility test, and

> > > > > it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of

> sperms

> > > only

> > > > > work), my

> > > > > spermogensis is marginal.

> > > > >

> > > > > Problem:

> > > > >

> > > > > The UK ranges are incorrect according to the

> USA

> > > > > ranges. One medical

> > > > > organization known as AACE has proven to

> have

> > > the

> > > > > most accurate

>

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what you mean " given the lack of a free

testosterone result " ??????

--- chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> A regular blood test does not give any indication of

> Growth Hormone

> Deficiency. Most people tested come out very low

> due to the timing

> of GH pulses being mainly nocturnal.

>

> The only way that GH deficiency can be

> confirmed/diagnosed is via a

> dynamic test such as an Insulin Tolerance test.

>

> If you are GH deficient it you will have a poor

> response on the ITT

> test.

>

> You might well be GH deficient, but you have to have

> the test to know.

>

> As for your other results I don't see a testosterone

> issue at all

> from your result, if that test was without

> testosterone therapy/ TRT

> then it does not indicate hypogondism.

>

> 16.6nmol/l is NOT low.

>

> At least what is tested is insufficient.

>

> Your LH level is a little high though and given the

> lack of a free

> testosterone result (almost never tested in the UK-

> if you are in the

> UK) and so an SHBG test is required, that is an

> important factor in a

> proper evaluation and it is missing.

>

> Also if the clinical presentation is of Klinefelters

> etc then the

> genetics can be more important than simply the

> testosterone level and

> would indicate the need for a genetic test.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Summary:

> > > > >

> > > > > I am 18 years old///For my body, masculinity

> and

> > > my

> > > > > sexual organs, I

> > > > > have had a delay in development. And my

> hormones

> > > are

> > > > > not normal for

> > > > > an 18-year-old. I have had a constitutional

> > > > > delay///My growth ratio

> > > > > is very off, my trunk

> (mid-section/body/spine)

> > > is 4

> > > > > inches short.

> > > > > Making my arms and legs as long as a person

> who

> > > is

> > > > > 6ft2, whilst I am

> > > > > only 5ft10. My spread is 4 inches longer

> than my

> > > > > height///I lack

> > > > > primary sexual development and have not had

> any

> > > > > growth since 11 years

> > > > > of age///I have very little sexual function

> and

> > > I

> > > > > have not developed

> > > > > secondary sexual characteristics///My

> testicles

> > > are

> > > > > small and so is

> > > > > my penis, and I have never had an erection

> in my

> > > > > life///I have had

> > > > > hormone tests and I have excess E2 levels by

> a

> > > > > factor of 2 and

> > > > > marginal testosterone levels///I was able to

> do

> > > a

> > > > > fertility test, and

> > > > > it resulted in a 2% viable level (2% of

> sperms

> > > only

> > > > > work), my

> > > > > spermogensis is marginal.

> > > > >

> > > > > Problem:

> > > > >

> > > > > The UK ranges are incorrect according to the

> USA

> > > > > ranges. One medical

> > > > > organization known as AACE has proven to

> have

> > > the

> > > > > most accurate

>

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You don't have an E2 level of over 120 on the US range.....no where

near that!!!

It is a totally different reference range and your 120pmol/l E2 level

equals 32.6 pg on the US range. That could be too high for you but

it is not sky rocket high, like you have thought.

Your SHBG level/free testosterone, genetics and other doctor led

investigations are more important.

> > > > Oh I have to chime in on this one, as ive been

> > > > working with him for some

> > > > time. This kid has had some major shit getting

> > > > treatment, his arms are 4 "

> > > > wider than his and he is asominac , no night

> > wood,

> > > > severely underdeveloped

> > > > testes that I would have guessed at stage 2. He

> > > got

> > > > told too long " its in

> > > > his head " . Since mid pubertal delay was my

> > > > specialty, I have been giving him

> > > > some help from my education, my professors, Dr

> > > > Crissler, and even this

> > > > group. The kid has an E2 pump basically

> > somewhere

> > > > antagonizing his T,

> > > > suppressing development. HE also had possible

> > > > vascular insult, he had

> > > > hernias bilateral when a baby and undecended

> > > > testicles. 2 Muse 1000s cant

> > > > get him hard. I'm hoping it was misapplication

> > but

> > > > he has 2 caverjects to

> > > > try, after that I think he REALLY needs a penal

> > > > ultrasound with Doppler to

> > > > figure why the " " last resort " ED meds are not

> > > > working.. MRI of the

> > > > pituitary, adrenals, and thyroid.

> > > >

> > > > ly, I think his physical fitness is from

> > sure

> > > > will. I wont go into it

> >

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When you try Tam. make sure when you stop it you come off it slow lowering the

dose by the week then you need to be off it about 4 to 6 weeks to test E2 you

can't get a good test if the med is still in your body.

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote: thnx,

i meant to say nuke the E2 source, so that my e2 comes

in the 20-40 range,,,the american way,,,,,not 120, the

UK way,,

if tamofixen does not work,,,then i will need arimidex

to try,,but my E2 is high according to the USA updated

ranges, and it does play a role,,,thnx again, x

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> All I am saying is Tamofixen is an good for man

> boobs and in some men will make your LH go higher

> making more testosterone. This is a link from a

> Body Building site pay this no mind it is full of

> the info you need about this. For me Tamofixen did

> not move my E2.

>

>

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=150estro2

> I don't know what you mean about Nuking your E2

> never heard of this you need it to live you can't

> just kill it.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> are you saying that tamofixen (e2

> suppresing pill)

> will not help get my e2 down? it should do....but i

> am

> not relying this on life, this is only during the

> time, until the source of my high e2 can be nuked

> and

> the rest of the problems solved.

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > I gave you a link to Nick O'Hara send him an

> > Email telling him your problems and I am sure he

> can

> > hook you up with a Dr.

> >

> > I see your E2 is on the high side but not all that

> > bad. 120 in my units it is 33 pg/ml yet with me

> > this is to high and I get ED that the pill will

> not

> > help. Yet we have men with levels this high and

> > they do dam good.

> >

> > I see a problem with your Cortisol levels they

> > look to me to be dam low. 204 in my units is 7

> > ug/dl. My test come back at 8 and my Dr. put me on

> > Cortef 5mgs 4 x's a day. Levels this low are

> > Adrenal Fatigue a good level would be in my units

> > over 15 best at 20. You would do good to have an

> > ACTH Stim test here is a link about it and how to

> > read it. It can also show if your have a pituitary

> > problem.

> >

> >

>

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=208

> > Also here is a FAQ's we did some time ago a great

> > read.

> >

> >

>

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

> > Your IGF-1 look dam good to me mine is 210.

> >

> > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote:

> > Here are my results:

> >

> > (TSH) 1.42 (0.27-4.20) mU/L

> > (Free T4) 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L

> > (FSH) 6.8 (1.5-11.4) U/L

> > (LH) 7.7 (1.7-8.6) U/L

> > (Oestradiol) 120 (28-156) pmol/l

> > (Prolactin) 215 (86-324) IU/ml

> > (Testosterone) 16.6 (9.9-27.8 ) nmol/l

> > (17 OH-Progesterone) 2.66 (0.90-10.00) nmol//l

> > (Androstenedione) 3.16 (0.68-10.00) nmol/L

> > *Cortisol (Rdm)* 204 nmol/L

> >

> > (IgF 1) 785 (197-956) ng/ml

> > (Binding Protein 3) 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L

> >

> > These were my endocrine results. The UK doctors

> keep

> > saying I am normal depsite my problems standing

> out

> > so

> > clear! With the USA ranges, I am not normal.

> >

> > My HGH came too low >>> I done this through a

> normal

> > blood test.

> >

> > Serum growth hormone = 0.1 ml.U/L (0.0 - 10.0)

> > Supplementary Result

> >

> > I tried Muse 1000, Cialis 20mg, and they both

> > failed.

> > I have still never had an erection. I know my E2

> is

> > high as the American ranges say that the E2 for

> men

> > should be between 13-50 and the AACE says, 25-40.

> I

> > am

> > 120! And the UK ranges is 25-156!!! I have ordered

> > Tamoxifen to start the suppression of my E2. And i

> > will find the source with my next doctor, has he

> > seems

> > gd and wants me to do scans, finally a dr who

> knows

> > what he is doing! Now i av 2 caverject 20 to try.

> > and

> > i am going to use one this week, with a urologist,

> > and

> > the other with my friend. to see the response. i

> > know

> > i need hgh injections and on top need to supress

> my

> > e2. the e2 being suppressed will make my t

> rise,,and

> > on top my testicles and penis should develop as

> they

> > should have done so, and get my erections coming.

> i

> > am

> > also going to take HCG. and i really owe it DON,

> > such

> > a great guy!!! i owe it to him big time,,and i

> hope

> > there r more ppl like him,,so we can all unite and

> > help one another...thnx everyone xx

> > --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi it's great your helping him I need to know

> how

> > > high his E2 is I was up over 90 pg/ml and it

> made

> > me

> > > dam sick yet I was on TRT and the T meds were

> > > driving up my E2. If he is this high just

> getting

> > > this down with Arimidex will make him feel

> better

> > > and if he got wood with the Muse he might get

> his

> > > wood just getting E2 down. When my Dr. tried to

> > get

> > > my E2 down we did everything but Arimidex and

> > > nothing worked. Tamoxifen did nothing and I feel

> > > his high E2 levels could he keeping his

> > Testosterone

> > > levels down and messing with his Thyroid and

> > > Cortiosl levels here is a link about this. The

> > link

> > > is about older men but the problem is the same.

> I

> > > tried all the pills and could not get any wood

> my

> > ED

> > > was so bad a pill even doing Muse shots did not

> > > work. Today and I am 63 my wood and sex life is

> > > fine.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

> > >

> > > Also there is a web site run by Nick O'Hara

>

> > > here is a link to his site he can help find him

> a

> > > Dr.

> > > http://www.androids.org.uk/

> > >

> > > Don <donaldb@...> wrote:

> > > Oh I have to chime in on this one, as ive been

> > > working with him for some

> > > time. This kid has had some major shit getting

> > > treatment, his arms are 4”

> > > wider than his and he is asominac , no night

> wood,

> > > severely underdeveloped

> > > testes that I would have guessed at stage 2. He

> > got

> > > told too long “its in

> > > his head”. Since mid pubertal delay was my

> > > specialty, I have been giving him

> > > some help from my education, my professors, Dr

> > > Crissler, and even this

> > > group. The kid has an E2 pump basically

> somewhere

> > > antagonizing his T,

> > > suppressing development. HE also had possible

> > > vascular insult, he had

> > > hernias bilateral when a baby and undecended

> > > testicles. 2 Muse 1000s cant

> > > get him hard. I’m hoping it was misapplication

> but

> > > he has 2 caverjects to

> > > try, after that I think he REALLY needs a penal

> > > ultrasound with Doppler to

> > > figure why the “”last resort” ED meds are not

> > > working.. MRI of the

> > > pituitary, adrenals, and thyroid.

> > >

> > > ly, I think his physical fitness is from

> sure

> > > will. I wont go into it

>

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