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You would need to try to bring down your E2 like I said to about 70 from 120

then retest. Here is what happens when E2 is on the high side your body thinks

the E2 is testosterone and stops sending your testis the messages to make more

Testosterone. So if you get this down things should get better if not they your

starting to become Primary meaning your testis are not working good enough to

keep your T levels up. Yet your test shows your LH to be on the high side.

Still try this and see if your T levels don't get better. You would need to get

on some Arimidex start with 1/4 of a one mg. pill and take it every 3 days then

in 6 weeks get re tested doing the tests I posted to you from Dr. 's site.

What can happen is your wood will start up fist with morning wood then with wood

any time you want. If this happens you know it's working.

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote: could you at

least give some guidance to my questions

please. especially how to know > how to find out by

tests etc if I have some form of hypogonadism. >>> but

do my hormone results that I have posted, show I do

not have any form hypogonadism?????

i do av mega mini mini breasts, and on top I love

kids, and on top, I am quite feminine. and my hips are

slightly feministic...

thnx. x

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> This guy at this site is up big time on testis.

>

>

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/flaccid-penis-does-testosterone\

-134256483.html

> His nick is Megazoid post to him send him a PM.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> -what causes GH (growth hormone) to be

> low????

> -And i am askin on the testicle part (i.e if one

> testicle is lost, so is the testosterone level

> halved?), as both my testicles are small, but one is

> very small, (my left one is small & my right one is

> very small, by 2x or 3x smaller than my left one)

>

> on my report of my " Testicular Ultrasound " it said:

>

> " " " " The right testicle and the right epididymis are

> reduced in size. The right testicle measures 2.78cm

> in

> length and 1.49cm in maximum AP diameter. However,

> the

> right testicle appears of normal homogeneous

> echogenicity with no evidence of focal lesions or

> diffuse parenchymal changes. Normal blood flow was

> demostrated to the right testicle on colour Doppler.

>

> The ultrasound appearances of the left epididymis

> and

> the left testicle are normal. No abnormal fluid

> collection is seen. There is no evidence of

> varicocoele formation " " " "

>

> So far, the genes and the ultrasound show something

> is

> up with my hormones, which I believe it is, as I

> slightly explained why in my last post. My left

> testicle is not normal in size though and especially

> my rigth testicle. so something is up with my

> hormones

> as my genetic test and ultrasound test on the

> testicles are normal.

>

> it concerns me why r my testicles so small and why

> do

> i only have 2% functional sperms though.......i am

> going to get a doppler ultrasound with caverject to

> see any damage to penis. and i need more on my

> testicle and my groin areas to see any damage, as i

> had undescended testicles and a herina.

>

> So far, i am concluding something abnormal is going

> on

> with my hormones, i.e. high LH, but borderline

> Testosterone(and i am sick and tired of ppl sayin my

> t

> is ok, it is not, i am 19! it is 498 in american

> units, remember FOR MY AGE I SHOULD BE 900+)

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > You would need a test like, This is taken from Dr.

> > 's site at www.allthingsmale.com in TRT: A

> > Recipe for Success.

> >

> > • Total Testosterone

> > • Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA " Free and Loosely

> > Bound " )

> > • Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is

> > unavailable)

> > • DHT

> > • Estradiol (specify the Extraction Method, or

> > " sensitive " assay for

> > males)

> > • LH

> > • FSH

> > • Prolactin

> > • Cortisol

> > • Thyroid Panel

> > • CBC

> > • Comprehensive Metabolic Panel

> > • Lipid Profile

> > • PSA (if over 40)

> > If your testosterone is low and your Estradiol is

> > good with your LH and FSH low this could mean you

> > have a Pituitary Problem for making testosterone.

> > To tell if your Pituitary is why your Cortisol

> > levels are low you would need an ACTH Stim. test

> > read this link on how this test is done and how to

> > read it.

> >

> >

>

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=288

> >

> > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote:

> > I believe my pituitary, adrenal and my

> > thyroid is

> > mashed up,,,and how can one know if one has

> > hypogonadism by a specific test? and any one dont

> > know

> > of any usa hormone ranges known to be efficient,

> >

> > i need to get pituitary and adrenal and throid

> > tested

> > etc, hence all my probs remain killing me,,,and

> > making

> > me suffere,,,dam,,,i cant even live,,,im an

> outcast

> > to

> > ppl in my life,,,but im not gonna give up,,

> >

> > ok i take the e2 advice ,,,,,and tlk to my

> professor

> > when i meet him,

> >

> > --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> >

> > > To mesure Human Chorionic Gonadotropin it's just

> a

> > > blood test. This is a cut and paste about it

> from

> > > this link. It also has all the ranges for labs

> and

> > > what is the best levels.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://www.lef.org/protocols/appendix/blood_testing_01.htm

> > >

> > >

> >

>

=======================================================

> > > Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Beta Subunit,

> > > Pregnancy This test is used to detect the beta

> > > subunit of HCG, providing a sensitive, specific

> > test

> > > for the detection of early pregnancy, ectopic

> > > pregnancy, or threatened abortion.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

=======================================================

> > > I have never seen any ranges for hormones in the

> > > AACE Guildlines. Here is a link to the AACE

> > > Guildlines for Hypogonadism.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

> > >

> > >

> > > Getting your Estradiol down to 40 pmol/L is to

> low

> > > in my units this puts you at 10 pg/ml the very

> > > bottom of the range. I and others taking

> Arimidex

> > > have gone this low and did not feel very good at

> > > all. You would do better to try for 70 pmol/L

> this

> > > is about 20 in my units here in the USA.

> > >

> > > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > > wrote:

> > > How can you measure your Human chorionic

> > > gonadotropin????? How can I a test to measure

> it?

> > >

> > > And does anyone have the AACE ranges for all the

> > > hormones? As they seem to be the best...

> > >

> > > --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > I don't think they get it 120pmol/L = in

> > > pg/ml

> > > > 35. And this is not all that high some do dam

> > good

> > > > at this level.

> > > >

> http://www.globalrph.com/conv_si.htm#Epinephrine

> > > > All you can do is what you do.

> > > >

> > > > chis_az <chis_az@...> wrote:

> > > > Quote

> > > > Getting my E2 to lets

> > > > say near 40, but not too low, could also help

> my

> > > > problems.

> > > > Unquote

> > > >

> > > > Your E2 is below 40- it is 32, but you wont

> > listen

> > > > not matter how

> > > > many times or people tell you that.

> > > >

> > > > The information you have been given and the

> > people

> > > > helping you are

> > > > awful.

> > > >

> > > > I did my best to try as did others it has not

>

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I think I covered this in my last post if getting your E2 down does not bring up

your testostereone and give you wood then I would look into more testing like an

MRI.

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote: " HCG will not

help you your body makes a lot of LH and

HCG acts like LH. Your higher LH and FSH with your T

levels in the 400's tells me your body is asking for

more testosterone and your Testis can make more.

Your E2 is a little high and if your get it down to 70

from 120 you might feel better and your TT and FT

should go up some. "

Thnx for all your help. But what worries me is the

following:

My LH is very high, and that means my testosterone

should be near 900. In pubertal teens testosterone

should be peaking, but I come borderline. I am not an

adult or an older man, I am a young boy growing into a

man, so my testosterone should be on the higher end. I

turn out to be 498, about 200 higher than of old men's

level. this is odd. on top, what is also odd, if my LH

is high, then why is my T not high? You said, my

higher LH and FSH with my T levels in the 400's tells

you that my body is asking for more testosterone and

my Testis 'can' make more. Ok, but again, due to my

age, and being a pubertal teen I should hit 900. on

top, why is it that my testicles are small??? I also

do not have many functional sperms, only 2%! This

strikes a serious issue. And my LH is high, so why not

my T? Something else is going on, and I need an mri of

my glands and further testing.

But to clarify, could it be that my E2 being at 120 is

not healthy FOR ME. And that 'high' E2 causes,

testicle shrinkage, sperm count to be very low,

prevents penile growth, and stops erections and

decreases orgasm volume.

HCG is used to increase sperm count and testicle

volume. It produces LH to produce T, eventually

causing a rise in sperm count and an increase in

testicular size.

But, I already have high LH as you say, BUT, my

TESTOSTERONE IS IN THE NORMAL RANGE, BUT REMEMBER I AM

A YOUNG GUY, I AM NOT LIKE THE OTHER GUY'S ON THIS

GROUP, AND A PUBERTAL TEEN LIKE ME SHOULD BE ON 900.

The concern is, if my LH is high, what is going on

with my sperm count and testicle volume?

Could it be that my main problem for ME ME ME, is the

E2? As I am 120, if i go to 60ish, I could work

better, and then less of my T will not be antagonized

by the E2.

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> I don't know how much more we can help you. Here is

> a chart showing avg. levels of testosterone in a man

> over 24 hrs. They peek at about just over 400. I

> hope it opens for you.

>

>

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/male-anti-aging/17359d1179362424-norm\

al-daily-testosterone-testosterone-20levels-20over

> A lot of the questions your asking we here is the

> US can't help you with in the UK but you can go and

> post this at this site in the UK.

>

>

http://www.andropause.org.uk/newforum/forum_frameset.htm

> HCG will not help you your body makes a lot of LH

> and HCG acts like LH.

> Your higher LH and FSH with your T levels in the

> 400's tells me your body is asking for more

> testosterone and your Testis can make more.

> Your E2 is a little high and if your get it down

> to 70 from 120 you might feel better and your TT and

> FT should go up some.

>

> Your Cortisol is very low and you need to do more

> testing on it.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> My results in the American Units:

>

> TSH 1.42 mIU/L

> Free T4 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L (UK unit)

> FSH 6.8 mIU/mL

> LH 7.7 lU/L

> Oestradiol 32.7 pg/mL

> Prolactin 4.94 µg/L

> Testosterone 478 ng/dL

> 17 OH-Progesterone 0.84 ng/mL

> Androstenedione 90.5 ng/dL

> Cortisol (Rdm) 7.4 µg/dL

>

> IgF 1 785 (197-956) ng/ml (UK unit)

> Binding Protein 3 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L (UK unit)

>

> HGH came too low! Serum growth hormone = 0.1 ml.U/L

> (0.0 - 10.0) Supplementary Result (UK unit)

>

> Do I need anything else extra to test for within

> this

> test? On top MY GENETICS HAVE COME OUT TO BE NORMAL!

> MY GENETICAL TESTING IS NORMAL, WHICH IS A GOOD

> SIGN.

> (i will get my other testin this tues on my genes

> too)

>

> Now I am off ratio as my GH could be most likely

> LOW,

> but need more tests, but the simple test gives

> reason

> to my off ratio body. Also LOW Testosterone causes

> the

> LONG ARMS AND LEGS TO GROW. My testosterone is

> borderline and someone my age should be above

> 900ng/dL, not at 478ng/dL! On top, if someone has

> high

> LH, there TESTOSTERONE should be high too??? I have

> high LH, so why are my testicles still small and why

> do I only have 2% functional sperms??????? Also I

> shld

> be on 10.0 for my GH level in order to develop once

> on

> HGH, need more tests though. And can anyone explain

> what causes low GH?? on top, if one testicle is

> lost,

> does it mean the Testosterone level halves???

>

> Also I had a hernia operation and undescended

> testicles. I had an ultrasound and it showed my

> testicles are fine! But I need a proper examination,

> can anyone recommend any tests? I am also getting a

> Doppler Study with Caverject done to see for any

> physical damage. CAN ANYONE NAME ME THE TESTS DONE

> TO

> CHECK FOR ANY CONDUCTIVE BLOOD LOSS WITH ELECTRICAL

> NERVE TRACINGS AS AN EXAMPLE? FOR MY GROINS AND MY

> TESTICLES AS WELL AS MY PENIS, I NEED A FULL

> CHECKUP.

>

> As my genetics are normal, can I still have some

> form

> of hypogonadism???? How can I test/check for which

> form of hypogonadism i av???? My t is borderline I

> need it to be above 900 (as my reason above explains

> partly why i.e. long arms and boyd my age shld be

> high

> not just above the t level of older men), my e2 is

> 120

> in the UK units, it would be better to get it at 60

> to

> 70 in the UK units (high e2 causes testicle

> shrinkage

> and my penis etc have not developed from as far as i

> can remember age 10 and 11, which also explains on

> hormonial probs >>> but also I need HGH too to help

> me

> grow my off ratio spine within the next 6 years (i

> am

> 19). CAN ANYONE GIVE ME A RX DETAIL on how and what

> dose I should take and how regularly etc please for

> HGH???? Can someone also tell me HOW I CAN USE HCG

> TOO

> (AS I DO HAVE TINY TESTICLES and 2% sperm count)??

> And

> also an RX for Testosterone therapy too??? use my

> case

> and my results as a guide, so i can show it to my

> proffesor (who is paediatric and adoloscence

> endocrinologist)

>

> I am going to take all this information to my

> professor, and use it as a guide to help solve my

> case.

>

> Summary:

>

> -T is not where it should be for a 19 year old,

> -E2 is a little bit high

> -LH is high, causing a concern why am I only 2%

> sperm

> functional and why are testicles small, and why is

> Testosterone still low, as HIGH LH should produce

> MORE

> Testosterone (hcg is used to boost t, but it boosts

> LH

> to boost t, and my LH is high, but T normal,

> something

> is going on???)

> -Need RX for HGH & HCG (and even perhaps T therapy,

> but the cause of why t is borderline and LH is high

> needs to be found too, but any RX detail on T

> therapy

> will help me a lot,,)

> -Names for physical examination on groins, penis and

> testicles.

> -Can I still have some form of hypogonadism,??? &

> how

> can i check/test for which type of hypogonadism i

> av????

> -Any extra tests I need for my whole case and

> endocrine aspect, (I have some already i.e. ITT,

> SHBG,

> Free testosterone, ACTH Stim and saliva test through

> the adrenal stress level test, that i got from this

> group, thnx every1 xx) > any more?

> -Any particular Testosterone testing and its types

> that need to be checked for?

> -if one testicle is lost, does it mean the

> Testosterone level halves???

>

> NOTE: MY CASE IS DIFFERENT. I AM A TEEN GROWING INTO

> A

> MAN, I AM NOT YET A FULLY DEVELOPED ADULT. SO MY

> CASE

> IS A LOT DIFFERENT...

>

> NOTE: I AM TAKING THIS TO MY PROFESSOR IN 2 WEEKS

> TIME, TO TALK AND DISCUSS WITH MY PROBLEM AND USE IT

> AS AN EXAMPLE, GUIDANCE, etc etc TO HELP SOLVE MY

> CASE.

>

> extra: when i find anything cute, my chews itself,

> it

> is not deliberate but it happens on top my cheeks

> get

> tired and all cuddly etc, this is not deliberate, it

> happens autmoatically on the word go!

>

> May someone please answer to my queires, so i can

> add

> it to my file and use it to help solve my prob with

> professional guidance with my proffersor. thnx x.

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > You would need a test like, This is taken from Dr.

> > 's site at www.allthingsmale.com in TRT: A

> > Recipe for Success.

> >

> > • Total Testosterone

> > • Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA " Free and Loosely

> > Bound " )

> > • Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is

> > unavailable)

> > • DHT

> > • Estradiol (specify the Extraction Method, or

> > " sensitive " assay for

> > males)

> > • LH

> > • FSH

> > • Prolactin

> > • Cortisol

> > • Thyroid Panel

> > • CBC

> > • Comprehensive Metabolic Panel

>

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I had another blood test done, about 2-3 weeks after

my Testosterone injection (the monthly basis one).

Note: I have only had one, and have stopped as it is

the incorrect treatment for me and it does not find

the cause of my problem. I have my results from my

blood test (which I had 2-3 weeks after having my

first and only T shot) which came out to be:

>Serum free T4 level = 14.5 pmol/L

>Serum TSH level = 0.49 mI.U./l (0.35-5.50)

>Serum oestradiol level = 76 pmol/L

>Serum prolactin level = 220 I.U./l (45-375)

>Serum progesterone = 4.5 nmol/L (10-90) Mid luteal

>Serum LH level = 4.0 I.U./l (1.5 - 9.3)

(These results are in the UK units)

So what do you think or conclude to now??? By

comparing my levels BEFORE MY FIRST AND ONLY T SHOT

and AFTER. Any useful conclusions or ideas?

Here are my results in " UK units " that I had BEFORE my

first and only T shot:

TSH 1.42 (0.27-4.20) mU/L

Free T4 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L

FSH 6.8 (1.5-11.4) U/L

LH 7.7 (1.7-8.6) U/L

Oestradiol 120 (28-156) pmol/l

Prolactin 215 (86-324) IU/ml

Testosterone 16.6 (9.9-27.8) nmol/l

17 OH-Progesterone 2.66 (0.90-10.00) nmol//l

Androstenedione 3.16 (0.68-10.00) nmol/L

Cortisol (Rdm) 204 nmol/L

IgF 1 785 (197-956) ng/ml

Binding Protein 3 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L

Any comparison of them? Any ideas? Could I have

secondary hypogonadism?

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> I think I covered this in my last post if getting

> your E2 down does not bring up your testostereone

> and give you wood then I would look into more

> testing like an MRI.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote: " HCG will not help you your body

> makes a lot of LH and

> HCG acts like LH. Your higher LH and FSH with your T

> levels in the 400's tells me your body is asking for

> more testosterone and your Testis can make more.

> Your E2 is a little high and if your get it down to

> 70

> from 120 you might feel better and your TT and FT

> should go up some. "

>

> Thnx for all your help. But what worries me is the

> following:

>

> My LH is very high, and that means my testosterone

> should be near 900. In pubertal teens testosterone

> should be peaking, but I come borderline. I am not

> an

> adult or an older man, I am a young boy growing into

> a

> man, so my testosterone should be on the higher end.

> I

> turn out to be 498, about 200 higher than of old

> men's

> level. this is odd. on top, what is also odd, if my

> LH

> is high, then why is my T not high? You said, my

> higher LH and FSH with my T levels in the 400's

> tells

> you that my body is asking for more testosterone and

> my Testis 'can' make more. Ok, but again, due to my

> age, and being a pubertal teen I should hit 900. on

> top, why is it that my testicles are small??? I also

> do not have many functional sperms, only 2%! This

> strikes a serious issue. And my LH is high, so why

> not

> my T? Something else is going on, and I need an mri

> of

> my glands and further testing.

>

> But to clarify, could it be that my E2 being at 120

> is

> not healthy FOR ME. And that 'high' E2 causes,

> testicle shrinkage, sperm count to be very low,

> prevents penile growth, and stops erections and

> decreases orgasm volume.

>

> HCG is used to increase sperm count and testicle

> volume. It produces LH to produce T, eventually

> causing a rise in sperm count and an increase in

> testicular size.

>

> But, I already have high LH as you say, BUT, my

> TESTOSTERONE IS IN THE NORMAL RANGE, BUT REMEMBER I

> AM

> A YOUNG GUY, I AM NOT LIKE THE OTHER GUY'S ON THIS

> GROUP, AND A PUBERTAL TEEN LIKE ME SHOULD BE ON 900.

> The concern is, if my LH is high, what is going on

> with my sperm count and testicle volume?

>

> Could it be that my main problem for ME ME ME, is

> the

> E2? As I am 120, if i go to 60ish, I could work

> better, and then less of my T will not be

> antagonized

> by the E2.

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > I don't know how much more we can help you. Here

> is

> > a chart showing avg. levels of testosterone in a

> man

> > over 24 hrs. They peek at about just over 400. I

> > hope it opens for you.

> >

> >

>

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/male-anti-aging/17359d1179362424-norm\

al-daily-testosterone-testosterone-20levels-20over

> > A lot of the questions your asking we here is the

> > US can't help you with in the UK but you can go

> and

> > post this at this site in the UK.

> >

> >

>

http://www.andropause.org.uk/newforum/forum_frameset.htm

> > HCG will not help you your body makes a lot of LH

> > and HCG acts like LH.

> > Your higher LH and FSH with your T levels in the

> > 400's tells me your body is asking for more

> > testosterone and your Testis can make more.

> > Your E2 is a little high and if your get it down

> > to 70 from 120 you might feel better and your TT

> and

> > FT should go up some.

> >

> > Your Cortisol is very low and you need to do more

> > testing on it.

> >

> > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote:

> > My results in the American Units:

> >

> > TSH 1.42 mIU/L

> > Free T4 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L (UK unit)

> > FSH 6.8 mIU/mL

> > LH 7.7 lU/L

> > Oestradiol 32.7 pg/mL

> > Prolactin 4.94 µg/L

> > Testosterone 478 ng/dL

> > 17 OH-Progesterone 0.84 ng/mL

> > Androstenedione 90.5 ng/dL

> > Cortisol (Rdm) 7.4 µg/dL

> >

> > IgF 1 785 (197-956) ng/ml (UK unit)

> > Binding Protein 3 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L (UK unit)

> >

> > HGH came too low! Serum growth hormone = 0.1

> ml.U/L

> > (0.0 - 10.0) Supplementary Result (UK unit)

> >

> > Do I need anything else extra to test for within

> > this

> > test? On top MY GENETICS HAVE COME OUT TO BE

> NORMAL!

> > MY GENETICAL TESTING IS NORMAL, WHICH IS A GOOD

> > SIGN.

> > (i will get my other testin this tues on my genes

> > too)

> >

> > Now I am off ratio as my GH could be most likely

> > LOW,

> > but need more tests, but the simple test gives

> > reason

> > to my off ratio body. Also LOW Testosterone causes

> > the

> > LONG ARMS AND LEGS TO GROW. My testosterone is

> > borderline and someone my age should be above

> > 900ng/dL, not at 478ng/dL! On top, if someone has

> > high

> > LH, there TESTOSTERONE should be high too??? I

> have

> > high LH, so why are my testicles still small and

> why

> > do I only have 2% functional sperms??????? Also I

> > shld

> > be on 10.0 for my GH level in order to develop

> once

> > on

> > HGH, need more tests though. And can anyone

> explain

> > what causes low GH?? on top, if one testicle is

> > lost,

> > does it mean the Testosterone level halves???

> >

> > Also I had a hernia operation and undescended

> > testicles. I had an ultrasound and it showed my

> > testicles are fine! But I need a proper

> examination,

> > can anyone recommend any tests? I am also getting

> a

> > Doppler Study with Caverject done to see for any

> > physical damage. CAN ANYONE NAME ME THE TESTS DONE

> > TO

> > CHECK FOR ANY CONDUCTIVE BLOOD LOSS WITH

> ELECTRICAL

> > NERVE TRACINGS AS AN EXAMPLE? FOR MY GROINS AND MY

> > TESTICLES AS WELL AS MY PENIS, I NEED A FULL

> > CHECKUP.

> >

> > As my genetics are normal, can I still have some

> > form

> > of hypogonadism???? How can I test/check for which

> > form of hypogonadism i av???? My t is borderline I

> > need it to be above 900 (as my reason above

> explains

> > partly why i.e. long arms and boyd my age shld be

> > high

> > not just above the t level of older men), my e2 is

> > 120

> > in the UK units, it would be better to get it at

> 60

> > to

> > 70 in the UK units (high e2 causes testicle

> > shrinkage

> > and my penis etc have not developed from as far as

> i

> > can remember age 10 and 11, which also explains on

> > hormonial probs >>> but also I need HGH too to

> help

> > me

> > grow my off ratio spine within the next 6 years (i

> > am

> > 19). CAN ANYONE GIVE ME A RX DETAIL on how and

> what

> > dose I should take and how regularly etc please

> for

>

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Two to three weeks after you had one shot is not going to show anything. If you

were to do the shots for 4 weeks then test a week after your last shot it would

show something.

No I feel with your higher LH and FSH your not secondary if anything Primary

your testis are not working all that great yet still your levels of T are not

that bad.

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote:

I had another blood test done, about 2-3 weeks after

my Testosterone injection (the monthly basis one).

Note: I have only had one, and have stopped as it is

the incorrect treatment for me and it does not find

the cause of my problem. I have my results from my

blood test (which I had 2-3 weeks after having my

first and only T shot) which came out to be:

>Serum free T4 level = 14.5 pmol/L

>Serum TSH level = 0.49 mI.U./l (0.35-5.50)

>Serum oestradiol level = 76 pmol/L

>Serum prolactin level = 220 I.U./l (45-375)

>Serum progesterone = 4.5 nmol/L (10-90) Mid luteal

>Serum LH level = 4.0 I.U./l (1.5 - 9.3)

(These results are in the UK units)

So what do you think or conclude to now??? By

comparing my levels BEFORE MY FIRST AND ONLY T SHOT

and AFTER. Any useful conclusions or ideas?

Here are my results in " UK units " that I had BEFORE my

first and only T shot:

TSH 1.42 (0.27-4.20) mU/L

Free T4 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L

FSH 6.8 (1.5-11.4) U/L

LH 7.7 (1.7-8.6) U/L

Oestradiol 120 (28-156) pmol/l

Prolactin 215 (86-324) IU/ml

Testosterone 16.6 (9.9-27.8) nmol/l

17 OH-Progesterone 2.66 (0.90-10.00) nmol//l

Androstenedione 3.16 (0.68-10.00) nmol/L

Cortisol (Rdm) 204 nmol/L

IgF 1 785 (197-956) ng/ml

Binding Protein 3 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L

Any comparison of them? Any ideas? Could I have

secondary hypogonadism?

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> I think I covered this in my last post if getting

> your E2 down does not bring up your testostereone

> and give you wood then I would look into more

> testing like an MRI.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote: " HCG will not help you your body

> makes a lot of LH and

> HCG acts like LH. Your higher LH and FSH with your T

> levels in the 400's tells me your body is asking for

> more testosterone and your Testis can make more.

> Your E2 is a little high and if your get it down to

> 70

> from 120 you might feel better and your TT and FT

> should go up some. "

>

> Thnx for all your help. But what worries me is the

> following:

>

> My LH is very high, and that means my testosterone

> should be near 900. In pubertal teens testosterone

> should be peaking, but I come borderline. I am not

> an

> adult or an older man, I am a young boy growing into

> a

> man, so my testosterone should be on the higher end.

> I

> turn out to be 498, about 200 higher than of old

> men's

> level. this is odd. on top, what is also odd, if my

> LH

> is high, then why is my T not high? You said, my

> higher LH and FSH with my T levels in the 400's

> tells

> you that my body is asking for more testosterone and

> my Testis 'can' make more. Ok, but again, due to my

> age, and being a pubertal teen I should hit 900. on

> top, why is it that my testicles are small??? I also

> do not have many functional sperms, only 2%! This

> strikes a serious issue. And my LH is high, so why

> not

> my T? Something else is going on, and I need an mri

> of

> my glands and further testing.

>

> But to clarify, could it be that my E2 being at 120

> is

> not healthy FOR ME. And that 'high' E2 causes,

> testicle shrinkage, sperm count to be very low,

> prevents penile growth, and stops erections and

> decreases orgasm volume.

>

> HCG is used to increase sperm count and testicle

> volume. It produces LH to produce T, eventually

> causing a rise in sperm count and an increase in

> testicular size.

>

> But, I already have high LH as you say, BUT, my

> TESTOSTERONE IS IN THE NORMAL RANGE, BUT REMEMBER I

> AM

> A YOUNG GUY, I AM NOT LIKE THE OTHER GUY'S ON THIS

> GROUP, AND A PUBERTAL TEEN LIKE ME SHOULD BE ON 900.

> The concern is, if my LH is high, what is going on

> with my sperm count and testicle volume?

>

> Could it be that my main problem for ME ME ME, is

> the

> E2? As I am 120, if i go to 60ish, I could work

> better, and then less of my T will not be

> antagonized

> by the E2.

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > I don't know how much more we can help you. Here

> is

> > a chart showing avg. levels of testosterone in a

> man

> > over 24 hrs. They peek at about just over 400. I

> > hope it opens for you.

> >

> >

>

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/male-anti-aging/17359d1179362424-norm\

al-daily-testosterone-testosterone-20levels-20over

> > A lot of the questions your asking we here is the

> > US can't help you with in the UK but you can go

> and

> > post this at this site in the UK.

> >

> >

>

http://www.andropause.org.uk/newforum/forum_frameset.htm

> > HCG will not help you your body makes a lot of LH

> > and HCG acts like LH.

> > Your higher LH and FSH with your T levels in the

> > 400's tells me your body is asking for more

> > testosterone and your Testis can make more.

> > Your E2 is a little high and if your get it down

> > to 70 from 120 you might feel better and your TT

> and

> > FT should go up some.

> >

> > Your Cortisol is very low and you need to do more

> > testing on it.

> >

> > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote:

> > My results in the American Units:

> >

> > TSH 1.42 mIU/L

> > Free T4 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L (UK unit)

> > FSH 6.8 mIU/mL

> > LH 7.7 lU/L

> > Oestradiol 32.7 pg/mL

> > Prolactin 4.94 µg/L

> > Testosterone 478 ng/dL

> > 17 OH-Progesterone 0.84 ng/mL

> > Androstenedione 90.5 ng/dL

> > Cortisol (Rdm) 7.4 µg/dL

> >

> > IgF 1 785 (197-956) ng/ml (UK unit)

> > Binding Protein 3 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L (UK unit)

> >

> > HGH came too low! Serum growth hormone = 0.1

> ml.U/L

> > (0.0 - 10.0) Supplementary Result (UK unit)

> >

> > Do I need anything else extra to test for within

> > this

> > test? On top MY GENETICS HAVE COME OUT TO BE

> NORMAL!

> > MY GENETICAL TESTING IS NORMAL, WHICH IS A GOOD

> > SIGN.

> > (i will get my other testin this tues on my genes

> > too)

> >

> > Now I am off ratio as my GH could be most likely

> > LOW,

> > but need more tests, but the simple test gives

> > reason

> > to my off ratio body. Also LOW Testosterone causes

> > the

> > LONG ARMS AND LEGS TO GROW. My testosterone is

> > borderline and someone my age should be above

> > 900ng/dL, not at 478ng/dL! On top, if someone has

> > high

> > LH, there TESTOSTERONE should be high too??? I

> have

> > high LH, so why are my testicles still small and

> why

> > do I only have 2% functional sperms??????? Also I

> > shld

> > be on 10.0 for my GH level in order to develop

> once

> > on

> > HGH, need more tests though. And can anyone

> explain

> > what causes low GH?? on top, if one testicle is

> > lost,

> > does it mean the Testosterone level halves???

> >

> > Also I had a hernia operation and undescended

> > testicles. I had an ultrasound and it showed my

> > testicles are fine! But I need a proper

> examination,

> > can anyone recommend any tests? I am also getting

> a

> > Doppler Study with Caverject done to see for any

> > physical damage. CAN ANYONE NAME ME THE TESTS DONE

> > TO

> > CHECK FOR ANY CONDUCTIVE BLOOD LOSS WITH

> ELECTRICAL

> > NERVE TRACINGS AS AN EXAMPLE? FOR MY GROINS AND MY

> > TESTICLES AS WELL AS MY PENIS, I NEED A FULL

> > CHECKUP.

> >

> > As my genetics are normal, can I still have some

> > form

> > of hypogonadism???? How can I test/check for which

> > form of hypogonadism i av???? My t is borderline I

> > need it to be above 900 (as my reason above

> explains

> > partly why i.e. long arms and boyd my age shld be

> > high

> > not just above the t level of older men), my e2 is

> > 120

> > in the UK units, it would be better to get it at

> 60

> > to

> > 70 in the UK units (high e2 causes testicle

> > shrinkage

> > and my penis etc have not developed from as far as

> i

> > can remember age 10 and 11, which also explains on

> > hormonial probs >>> but also I need HGH too to

> help

> > me

> > grow my off ratio spine within the next 6 years (i

> > am

> > 19). CAN ANYONE GIVE ME A RX DETAIL on how and

> what

> > dose I should take and how regularly etc please

> for

>

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I saw a rubbish endocrinologist, and she said I AM

NORMAL. So I debated her furociously and she had no

logical points to make.

I mentioned I could have hypogonadism, and she said

NO. Then I said my Testosterone is like of an old man,

and she said its normal, which is utter NONSENSE. I

have read some 60+ year old men have same T as me!

By the way having some form of hypogonadism causes:

-Long arms

-Long legs

-Small trunk (spine/mid body)

-Small testicles

-Erectile dysfunction

-LOW T

I have all of these! And that foolish doctor said I am

normal and DISCHARGED me! I went there to collect my

results, as I KNEW they are FOOLS. My GP and my

sisters told me not to worry and to expect to here

complete nonsense.

On top my penis is small and has NEVER developed as

far as I can remember from age 10! This also includes

my testicles. There must be something more going on,

but I am not sure what can it be! All I know at the

moment is that I have to get my E2 down down down and

HGH up up up. I need scans etc too on my Pituitary,

check for any extra organs, any cell-clusters, because

I am not DAM NORMAL, and moron doctors say I AM

NORMAL!!!

Next week I am going to see Professor Mehul Tulsidas

Dattani, here is a link on his profile:

http://www.drfoster.co.uk/Guides/ConsultantProfile/view.aspx?gmcno=2942717 & retur\

nUrl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.drfoster.co.uk%2fGuides%2fConsultantGuide%2fconsultantresu\

lts.aspx%3fsearch_type%3dspec%26body%3d12%26condcode%3d617%26specid%3d420%26pc%3\

dWC1N%2b1EH%26distance%3d10%26loc_type%3dpostcode

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Two to three weeks after you had one shot is not

> going to show anything. If you were to do the shots

> for 4 weeks then test a week after your last shot it

> would show something.

>

> No I feel with your higher LH and FSH your not

> secondary if anything Primary your testis are not

> working all that great yet still your levels of T

> are not that bad.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> I had another blood test done, about 2-3

> weeks after

> my Testosterone injection (the monthly basis one).

> Note: I have only had one, and have stopped as it is

> the incorrect treatment for me and it does not find

> the cause of my problem. I have my results from my

> blood test (which I had 2-3 weeks after having my

> first and only T shot) which came out to be:

>

> >Serum free T4 level = 14.5 pmol/L

> >Serum TSH level = 0.49 mI.U./l (0.35-5.50)

> >Serum oestradiol level = 76 pmol/L

> >Serum prolactin level = 220 I.U./l (45-375)

> >Serum progesterone = 4.5 nmol/L (10-90) Mid luteal

> >Serum LH level = 4.0 I.U./l (1.5 - 9.3)

>

> (These results are in the UK units)

>

> So what do you think or conclude to now??? By

> comparing my levels BEFORE MY FIRST AND ONLY T SHOT

> and AFTER. Any useful conclusions or ideas?

>

> Here are my results in " UK units " that I had BEFORE

> my

> first and only T shot:

>

> TSH 1.42 (0.27-4.20) mU/L

> Free T4 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L

> FSH 6.8 (1.5-11.4) U/L

> LH 7.7 (1.7-8.6) U/L

> Oestradiol 120 (28-156) pmol/l

> Prolactin 215 (86-324) IU/ml

> Testosterone 16.6 (9.9-27.8) nmol/l

> 17 OH-Progesterone 2.66 (0.90-10.00) nmol//l

> Androstenedione 3.16 (0.68-10.00) nmol/L

> Cortisol (Rdm) 204 nmol/L

>

> IgF 1 785 (197-956) ng/ml

> Binding Protein 3 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L

> Any comparison of them? Any ideas? Could I have

> secondary hypogonadism?

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > I think I covered this in my last post if getting

> > your E2 down does not bring up your testostereone

> > and give you wood then I would look into more

> > testing like an MRI.

> >

> > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote: " HCG will not help you your body

> > makes a lot of LH and

> > HCG acts like LH. Your higher LH and FSH with your

> T

> > levels in the 400's tells me your body is asking

> for

> > more testosterone and your Testis can make more.

> > Your E2 is a little high and if your get it down

> to

> > 70

> > from 120 you might feel better and your TT and FT

> > should go up some. "

> >

> > Thnx for all your help. But what worries me is the

> > following:

> >

> > My LH is very high, and that means my testosterone

> > should be near 900. In pubertal teens testosterone

> > should be peaking, but I come borderline. I am not

> > an

> > adult or an older man, I am a young boy growing

> into

> > a

> > man, so my testosterone should be on the higher

> end.

> > I

> > turn out to be 498, about 200 higher than of old

> > men's

> > level. this is odd. on top, what is also odd, if

> my

> > LH

> > is high, then why is my T not high? You said, my

> > higher LH and FSH with my T levels in the 400's

> > tells

> > you that my body is asking for more testosterone

> and

> > my Testis 'can' make more. Ok, but again, due to

> my

> > age, and being a pubertal teen I should hit 900.

> on

> > top, why is it that my testicles are small??? I

> also

> > do not have many functional sperms, only 2%! This

> > strikes a serious issue. And my LH is high, so why

> > not

> > my T? Something else is going on, and I need an

> mri

> > of

> > my glands and further testing.

> >

> > But to clarify, could it be that my E2 being at

> 120

> > is

> > not healthy FOR ME. And that 'high' E2 causes,

> > testicle shrinkage, sperm count to be very low,

> > prevents penile growth, and stops erections and

> > decreases orgasm volume.

> >

> > HCG is used to increase sperm count and testicle

> > volume. It produces LH to produce T, eventually

> > causing a rise in sperm count and an increase in

> > testicular size.

> >

> > But, I already have high LH as you say, BUT, my

> > TESTOSTERONE IS IN THE NORMAL RANGE, BUT REMEMBER

> I

> > AM

> > A YOUNG GUY, I AM NOT LIKE THE OTHER GUY'S ON THIS

> > GROUP, AND A PUBERTAL TEEN LIKE ME SHOULD BE ON

> 900.

> > The concern is, if my LH is high, what is going on

> > with my sperm count and testicle volume?

> >

> > Could it be that my main problem for ME ME ME, is

> > the

> > E2? As I am 120, if i go to 60ish, I could work

> > better, and then less of my T will not be

> > antagonized

> > by the E2.

> >

> > --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> >

> > > I don't know how much more we can help you. Here

> > is

> > > a chart showing avg. levels of testosterone in a

> > man

> > > over 24 hrs. They peek at about just over 400. I

> > > hope it opens for you.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/male-anti-aging/17359d1179362424-norm\

al-daily-testosterone-testosterone-20levels-20over

> > > A lot of the questions your asking we here is

> the

> > > US can't help you with in the UK but you can go

> > and

> > > post this at this site in the UK.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://www.andropause.org.uk/newforum/forum_frameset.htm

> > > HCG will not help you your body makes a lot of

> LH

> > > and HCG acts like LH.

> > > Your higher LH and FSH with your T levels in the

> > > 400's tells me your body is asking for more

> > > testosterone and your Testis can make more.

> > > Your E2 is a little high and if your get it down

> > > to 70 from 120 you might feel better and your TT

> > and

> > > FT should go up some.

> > >

> > > Your Cortisol is very low and you need to do

> more

> > > testing on it.

> > >

> > > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > > wrote:

> > > My results in the American Units:

> > >

> > > TSH 1.42 mIU/L

> > > Free T4 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L (UK unit)

> > > FSH 6.8 mIU/mL

> > > LH 7.7 lU/L

> > > Oestradiol 32.7 pg/mL

> > > Prolactin 4.94 µg/L

> > > Testosterone 478 ng/dL

> > > 17 OH-Progesterone 0.84 ng/mL

> > > Androstenedione 90.5 ng/dL

> > > Cortisol (Rdm) 7.4 µg/dL

> > >

> > > IgF 1 785 (197-956) ng/ml (UK unit)

> > > Binding Protein 3 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L (UK

> unit)

> > >

> > > HGH came too low! Serum growth hormone = 0.1

> > ml.U/L

> > > (0.0 - 10.0) Supplementary Result (UK unit)

> > >

>

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Well I pray you get to the bottom of this and can start getting better.

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote: I saw a rubbish

endocrinologist, and she said I AM

NORMAL. So I debated her furociously and she had no

logical points to make.

I mentioned I could have hypogonadism, and she said

NO. Then I said my Testosterone is like of an old man,

and she said its normal, which is utter NONSENSE. I

have read some 60+ year old men have same T as me!

By the way having some form of hypogonadism causes:

-Long arms

-Long legs

-Small trunk (spine/mid body)

-Small testicles

-Erectile dysfunction

-LOW T

I have all of these! And that foolish doctor said I am

normal and DISCHARGED me! I went there to collect my

results, as I KNEW they are FOOLS. My GP and my

sisters told me not to worry and to expect to here

complete nonsense.

On top my penis is small and has NEVER developed as

far as I can remember from age 10! This also includes

my testicles. There must be something more going on,

but I am not sure what can it be! All I know at the

moment is that I have to get my E2 down down down and

HGH up up up. I need scans etc too on my Pituitary,

check for any extra organs, any cell-clusters, because

I am not DAM NORMAL, and moron doctors say I AM

NORMAL!!!

Next week I am going to see Professor Mehul Tulsidas

Dattani, here is a link on his profile:

http://www.drfoster.co.uk/Guides/ConsultantProfile/view.aspx?gmcno=2942717 & retur\

nUrl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.drfoster.co.uk%2fGuides%2fConsultantGuide%2fconsultantresu\

lts.aspx%3fsearch_type%3dspec%26body%3d12%26condcode%3d617%26specid%3d420%26pc%3\

dWC1N%2b1EH%26distance%3d10%26loc_type%3dpostcode

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Two to three weeks after you had one shot is not

> going to show anything. If you were to do the shots

> for 4 weeks then test a week after your last shot it

> would show something.

>

> No I feel with your higher LH and FSH your not

> secondary if anything Primary your testis are not

> working all that great yet still your levels of T

> are not that bad.

>

> Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> wrote:

> I had another blood test done, about 2-3

> weeks after

> my Testosterone injection (the monthly basis one).

> Note: I have only had one, and have stopped as it is

> the incorrect treatment for me and it does not find

> the cause of my problem. I have my results from my

> blood test (which I had 2-3 weeks after having my

> first and only T shot) which came out to be:

>

> >Serum free T4 level = 14.5 pmol/L

> >Serum TSH level = 0.49 mI.U./l (0.35-5.50)

> >Serum oestradiol level = 76 pmol/L

> >Serum prolactin level = 220 I.U./l (45-375)

> >Serum progesterone = 4.5 nmol/L (10-90) Mid luteal

> >Serum LH level = 4.0 I.U./l (1.5 - 9.3)

>

> (These results are in the UK units)

>

> So what do you think or conclude to now??? By

> comparing my levels BEFORE MY FIRST AND ONLY T SHOT

> and AFTER. Any useful conclusions or ideas?

>

> Here are my results in " UK units " that I had BEFORE

> my

> first and only T shot:

>

> TSH 1.42 (0.27-4.20) mU/L

> Free T4 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L

> FSH 6.8 (1.5-11.4) U/L

> LH 7.7 (1.7-8.6) U/L

> Oestradiol 120 (28-156) pmol/l

> Prolactin 215 (86-324) IU/ml

> Testosterone 16.6 (9.9-27.8) nmol/l

> 17 OH-Progesterone 2.66 (0.90-10.00) nmol//l

> Androstenedione 3.16 (0.68-10.00) nmol/L

> Cortisol (Rdm) 204 nmol/L

>

> IgF 1 785 (197-956) ng/ml

> Binding Protein 3 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L

> Any comparison of them? Any ideas? Could I have

> secondary hypogonadism?

>

> --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> > I think I covered this in my last post if getting

> > your E2 down does not bring up your testostereone

> > and give you wood then I would look into more

> > testing like an MRI.

> >

> > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > wrote: " HCG will not help you your body

> > makes a lot of LH and

> > HCG acts like LH. Your higher LH and FSH with your

> T

> > levels in the 400's tells me your body is asking

> for

> > more testosterone and your Testis can make more.

> > Your E2 is a little high and if your get it down

> to

> > 70

> > from 120 you might feel better and your TT and FT

> > should go up some. "

> >

> > Thnx for all your help. But what worries me is the

> > following:

> >

> > My LH is very high, and that means my testosterone

> > should be near 900. In pubertal teens testosterone

> > should be peaking, but I come borderline. I am not

> > an

> > adult or an older man, I am a young boy growing

> into

> > a

> > man, so my testosterone should be on the higher

> end.

> > I

> > turn out to be 498, about 200 higher than of old

> > men's

> > level. this is odd. on top, what is also odd, if

> my

> > LH

> > is high, then why is my T not high? You said, my

> > higher LH and FSH with my T levels in the 400's

> > tells

> > you that my body is asking for more testosterone

> and

> > my Testis 'can' make more. Ok, but again, due to

> my

> > age, and being a pubertal teen I should hit 900.

> on

> > top, why is it that my testicles are small??? I

> also

> > do not have many functional sperms, only 2%! This

> > strikes a serious issue. And my LH is high, so why

> > not

> > my T? Something else is going on, and I need an

> mri

> > of

> > my glands and further testing.

> >

> > But to clarify, could it be that my E2 being at

> 120

> > is

> > not healthy FOR ME. And that 'high' E2 causes,

> > testicle shrinkage, sperm count to be very low,

> > prevents penile growth, and stops erections and

> > decreases orgasm volume.

> >

> > HCG is used to increase sperm count and testicle

> > volume. It produces LH to produce T, eventually

> > causing a rise in sperm count and an increase in

> > testicular size.

> >

> > But, I already have high LH as you say, BUT, my

> > TESTOSTERONE IS IN THE NORMAL RANGE, BUT REMEMBER

> I

> > AM

> > A YOUNG GUY, I AM NOT LIKE THE OTHER GUY'S ON THIS

> > GROUP, AND A PUBERTAL TEEN LIKE ME SHOULD BE ON

> 900.

> > The concern is, if my LH is high, what is going on

> > with my sperm count and testicle volume?

> >

> > Could it be that my main problem for ME ME ME, is

> > the

> > E2? As I am 120, if i go to 60ish, I could work

> > better, and then less of my T will not be

> > antagonized

> > by the E2.

> >

> > --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> >

> > > I don't know how much more we can help you. Here

> > is

> > > a chart showing avg. levels of testosterone in a

> > man

> > > over 24 hrs. They peek at about just over 400. I

> > > hope it opens for you.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachments/male-anti-aging/17359d1179362424-norm\

al-daily-testosterone-testosterone-20levels-20over

> > > A lot of the questions your asking we here is

> the

> > > US can't help you with in the UK but you can go

> > and

> > > post this at this site in the UK.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://www.andropause.org.uk/newforum/forum_frameset.htm

> > > HCG will not help you your body makes a lot of

> LH

> > > and HCG acts like LH.

> > > Your higher LH and FSH with your T levels in the

> > > 400's tells me your body is asking for more

> > > testosterone and your Testis can make more.

> > > Your E2 is a little high and if your get it down

> > > to 70 from 120 you might feel better and your TT

> > and

> > > FT should go up some.

> > >

> > > Your Cortisol is very low and you need to do

> more

> > > testing on it.

> > >

> > > Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...>

> > > wrote:

> > > My results in the American Units:

> > >

> > > TSH 1.42 mIU/L

> > > Free T4 15.7 (12.0-22.0) pmol/L (UK unit)

> > > FSH 6.8 mIU/mL

> > > LH 7.7 lU/L

> > > Oestradiol 32.7 pg/mL

> > > Prolactin 4.94 µg/L

> > > Testosterone 478 ng/dL

> > > 17 OH-Progesterone 0.84 ng/mL

> > > Androstenedione 90.5 ng/dL

> > > Cortisol (Rdm) 7.4 µg/dL

> > >

> > > IgF 1 785 (197-956) ng/ml (UK unit)

> > > Binding Protein 3 5.33 (1.50-4.60) mg/L (UK

> unit)

> > >

> > > HGH came too low! Serum growth hormone = 0.1

> > ml.U/L

> > > (0.0 - 10.0) Supplementary Result (UK unit)

> > >

>

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