Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 hi the one endo i did see ie that one for 9 minutes who asled me no questions i showed small bits of paperwork from websites american urology and endo information/pituitary foundation in uk,an email from a professor at the actual hospital ,but he only does research. to me the bllod is simple enough but its rubbished in uk by nhs in the main only private docs will see youm and that costs. if your figrue arre way low then NHS i am sure is better but when they say you are in normal range depite being low its hard and as this guy said basically a load of rubbish to me,i knew more than hime my bloods to me and info on here points to hypo secondary,he said no thats rubbish as hypo secindary and primary i would have elevated lh and fsh which i know you and i both know is pure rubbish and dont intend putting my self in the hands of an endo who knows not even basics on low t. regards paul --- ELLIOT BAKER <elliotbkr@...> wrote: > > > I feel your pain . Have others in Europe from > this site, offer some solutions on the health care > situation over there yet? > > In America, its easier to hop from doctor to doctor, > for multi opinions. If you have the money and > insurance you can without problems. > > I think , its a time where you are going to have > to rely on what you have learned and take your > judgement in conluding what you are. > > You have taken blood tests and talked with Endo > Specialist. You understand your health history and > how that is connected toward your situations > currently. > > In situations where you do not have the best > doctors, you must understand how to read your blood > tests in better understanding your situations. > > Once again, if you are seeing a doctor for low T, > why can't you present detailed information on what > you have learned in here and else where? Why cant > you say, I want to try this at this doses and if > not, let me see your superior? > > Remember, its your health and not anyone else's. > Continue to ask questions in here and find other > medically based forums, where you can email or post > toward qualified medical professionals online. If > you cannot find a doctor locally, the net can help. > Its a time , where you have to take control and > stop relying on others, because they will continue > to let you down. > > > I went a whole year in an Endo center that didnt > understand my condition. I didnt give up and I found > a center that could offer more. The rest was and > still is, up to me to correct. Im here , if you > want to go over your blood results, etc. Im not as > fine tuned as the other experienced members here, > but I will research and find solutions with you > friend. > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new > beta. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Boy did you take that the wrong way I was only suggesting this because some of your post sounded personal to each other. Just forget it I never said it. Phil ELLIOT BAKER <elliotbkr@...> wrote: No offense taken Phil. If I felt the need to private email , I would have. I may address , but that doesn't stop others from reading and hopefully finding some kind of support as well. Support Phil and not complaining. I don't offer anything of contradiction when folks come in here and share. I didn't say anything when you voiced Phil, on over 20 years without being on the proper TRT. I learned from that and tried to offer support your way the best I could. You have taught me so much on how to properly manage my health and research. Don't worry, I see what we have been thru isn't being received well by others secretly. I will amend. So, Ill sit back as others who are also suffering from hypogandism share the kind that doesn't upset a few in here. I have shared other avenues I am traveling toward to and whom-ever else reading. The learning disability services globally, that offer allot of free programs of over coming. I have shared, try correcting all elements internally you feel is needed, in living a more successful life Same as Im doing now. I also shared, the importance of researching and relaying that toward your doctors. Not getting upset when doctors refuse to try different avenues. Patience in any health situation is ideal. Monitoring ones personal health should be ideal in any health situation, especially when you dont have a support structure. So, if you feel sharing is personal and only effects , then Ill chat with him in private, but I hope someone doesn't feel excluded, even when we dont personally address that person. Sharing and support I thought was the sentiment of Hypogandism 2. --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Hello , once again, I didnt state primary males have normal ranges of lh and fsh. If they did, that means hypogandism isnt a concern. Hypogandism-like side effects could be present if low T exist and both levels of lh and fsh are normal. , perhaps you should google.com " hypogonadism " for starters, just take your time away from this forum and others, and just learn on your pace. I had to and still learning. Review the causes for secondary and primary , on your pace and hopefully, you will not be so confused. Hormones are not profitable as diabetes thus, why Endos dont really seek more information on hormones. The specialist that do and patients, now display their works and research online. Its important , you just search on your own and understand your condition on your own pace. Stop for a bit, getting confused on other folks findings in here, and just explore and put all that you have learned together and conclude from there. It doesnt matter if you are primary and secondary right now. Until you go in, and demand the right blood works to conclude, continue to research. Fact is you need a TRT that works with your body. Fact, you may need other relative medications to control your hypogoandism. I.E. anti depressiants, anti estrogen, therapy, etc Fact, you must stop getting upset and loosing hope and just start taking matters of your health into your own hands. paul wey <promachief@...> wrote: again this does not make sense to me both type have some form of low fsh/lh,but theny you say primary males have high lh and fsh in same sentence then really low lh/fsh is a problems with testicles,trouble is differsant doctors and labs class differant things as low or really low or indeed many of us are classed within normal range by many labs. also on secondaryt i was under impression its not the testis sending sigs to the brain ,its the brain sending isgs through the prituitary to the testis but i suppose its as bit of both signals both ways getting lost. also on puberty no i did not go through a normal puberty things that should of happened did not the only things that did was hair and voice change. did you get hair and vocie change or have any puberty qat at all?? i dont beleive its as black and white as some think,i am sure many of us prioamry or secondary have some puberty issues,becasue some hormones may be lacking ie testosterone but others may of gone up at time of puberty,some signals may of got through and others did not. also how does ssomeeon get both primary and secondary? what would there bloodwork show,as it cant show both high lh/fsh and low at same time,so how does one get such diagnosis? i think endos themselves are only just waking up to male sex hormone issues,in uk we are 20 plus yrs behind usa but even there we still gwet people with probems being told there blood is ok,even though its low side of normal so they say and having bad affects on those peopple. the thing is even in medical terms there are massive differances in what a doc may say is normal as my testosteron seems to stay low but does vary between 4.6 nmol to 10.5 nmol that too would indicate that signals somehwere are indeed getting lost. but for a man of 40 should be around 23 nmol my lh and fsh again show as in normal range but only one or two points into normality and not the higher end they should be,for priomary both of those should be abnormally high ,whjeras as my testosterone/lh and fsh should be in top two thids and not bottom third as it is at moemmnt,but as said ,if the traits i have in other ways can be stimulated enough by ritalin then that may help,if not we go bck and look at other things regards paul > > Both hypogoandism type males have some form of low > Lh and Fsh. I'm sure I didnt type , primary > males have high LH and FSH. Really low LH, FSH, and > low T indictates a disorder within the testicles. > Rather, the testis or both cannot properly send the > signal to the brain in producing enough hormone for > normal daily functioning life. > > That's the easy part to understand. Secondary males, > are the opposite. The testicles can produce hormone > but the brain signal is unbalanced. Pituary > problems. HCG acts like a a bridge to re-stimulate > where the Pituary fails. > > , if your testicles are mature in size and > width, also firm that indicates something good. > > If your testicles are small in size, width, very > sensitive, and soft that indicates a more serious > issue of their developments. > > If I am incorrect anyone correct me. > > Common sense would indicate, if the testis never was > able to produce, HCG would be meaningless. Dr. > also agrees via his web pages. > > I dont think I stated you must have went thru proper > puberty. Actually, from what you told me, I thought > the opposite. Its cool. Sorry you read incorrectly. > > Im not reading others perceptions neither , > other than contradictions. You need opinions and Im > not reading them by more experienced members here. > Don't worry , I won't give up on you. How can > I........ > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Check out the all-new beta - Fire up a > more powerful email and get things done faster. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 i do look at hypogonadism to me its simple hypogonadism primary is only the basic diabgosis that is low total t elevated fsh elevated lh wheras seciondarry is low total t low or poss normal lh low or poss normal fsh trouble is the cut offs for low are differant in every lab,and while some endos may see someone who has figure for secondary in bottom third and accept thats low,most doctors say " you are in normal range so whats the prroblems " its just in that last mail to me you got both written down strange i only cut nad pasted how you had written it. this is what yoy put and i think you just made an error but it lost me at first primary > > males have high LH and FSH. Really low LH, FSH, > and > > low T indictates a disorder within the testicles. > > Rather, the testis or both cannot properly send > the > > signal to the brain in producing enough hormone > for > > normal daily functioning life. the problems arise when i have seen that some guys can have both primary and secindary,if so how on earthdoes an endo decide that,how would ones lh and fsh present?? also i am not in anyway losing hope?? i am stating i have no interrest in wanting to have sexual or other relationships or more than the limited freindshios,i have no interest in working or living within my community to me thats empoweing and not givin up hope,i have no interrest in my fellow community i dont particualarly like this world we live in,and wish to let it carry on on its path of destruction and leave me to get on with my hermit existence. yes i admit unless ritalin or trt or other drugs do the job then my life will stay the same in other areas,which is why the ritalin ie adhd stuff takes priority for several rreasons 1=access to a wordls top expert in the field 2=ok local medical support 3=the fact it may kick start parts of my brain that need it,but not like trt do anytihng with the sexiual side that i am not after,the only trt sides i am after are those that affect the same things as the adhd ie concnetation/lethargy/get up and go and so on. so because trt is only going to be trt ,no hcg no eostrogen no other support,adminsitered by someone who has little knowledge in this area and not even giving the right tests and check ups as required by our NHS then i would be foolish to starrt trt with this guy. if in august i had seen the person i was recomdend by proffesor tom mchnichols then the current situation may well of been differant with no doubt trt and the other things needed to balance out the trt. but that was not to be,i can only hope this lady has her baby probably has by now and i can at some stage if she goes back to work get a refereal back to her ,but again now rtialin is a week away from start then a good few months of that unless it does nasty things first off that it,if it does then a quick rethink onto next plan of action,but thats still not likley to be trt,another adhd med at first ,then i can say " ok i have ttired the adhd things to no avail " lets get back onto the trt and hypogonadism or andropause side of things and see what the situation is regarding this though its posible the next blood tests i have for this i may also have to pay gfor,the NHS in uk is making gwetting blood tests for free a rarity,we have been told now only if a doctor actually requests blood tests will you get them for free,so if my doc does not requast but i do,then i may have to pay. luckily some docs dont care about such charges i had to get another sign off for my loan insurance today by rights thats 13 quid but as uusal she just does it for me. but blood tests may be harder to get for free. so dont think i dont tske trt seriously i do,but its a case of dong things in order and not trying to sort out all issues at once,which with meds is counterr productive as any med can produce unwanted results with another so best to start each one clean and see the effect good or bad. regards paul also if i had an endo that listened and the backing of a health system that listened then yes all those things you say i shuold ask for and idneed salready have would come my way,sad fact is they dont not unless you have money to pay for them. you can gwet limited stuff ie for 12 weeks or so free but i need contant reminding telling me something on monday does not mean i now can deal with it by thursday,so these 12 weeks or so courses/therapies are of no use whatsoever ie even did a 30 week social skills course which i did pay for and have to travel into london forr,but now its all a distant memory. they did have plans to just keep it going,but the place itn hapend at a freinds house with a phycoloigsit her husband did not like 12 people a week in his house so it all ended. counsleeing in uk is 40 quid an hour therapy god knows --- ELLIOT BAKER <elliotbkr@...> wrote: > Hello , once again, I didnt state primary males > have normal ranges of lh and fsh. If they did, that > means hypogandism isnt a concern. Hypogandism-like > side effects could be present if low T exist and > both levels of lh and fsh are normal. > > , perhaps you should google.com " hypogonadism " > for starters, just take your time away from this > forum and others, and just learn on your pace. I had > to and still learning. > > Review the causes for secondary and primary , on > your pace and hopefully, you will not be so > confused. > > Hormones are not profitable as diabetes thus, why > Endos dont really seek more information on hormones. > The specialist that do and patients, now display > their works and research online. Its important , > you just search on your own and understand your > condition on your own pace. > > Stop for a bit, getting confused on other folks > findings in here, and just explore and put all that > you have learned together and conclude from there. > > It doesnt matter if you are primary and secondary > right now. Until you go in, and demand the > right blood works to conclude, continue to research. > > > Fact is you need a TRT that works with your body. > > Fact, you may need other relative medications to > control your hypogoandism. > I.E. anti depressiants, anti estrogen, therapy, etc > > Fact, you must stop getting upset and loosing hope > and just start taking matters of your health into > your own hands. > > > paul wey <promachief@...> wrote: again this > does not make sense to me both type have > some form of low fsh/lh,but theny you say primary > males have high lh and fsh in same sentence > > then really low lh/fsh is a problems with > testicles,trouble is differsant doctors and labs > class > differant things as low or really low or indeed many > of us are classed within normal range by many labs. > > also on secondaryt i was under impression its not > the > testis sending sigs to the brain ,its the brain > sending isgs through the prituitary to the testis > but > i suppose its as bit of both signals both ways > getting > lost. > > also on puberty no i did not go through a normal > puberty things that should of happened did not the > only things that did was hair and voice change. > > did you get hair and vocie change or have any > puberty > qat at all?? > > > i dont beleive its as black and white as some > think,i > am sure many of us prioamry or secondary have some > puberty issues,becasue some hormones may be lacking > ie > testosterone but others may of gone up at time of > puberty,some signals may of got through and others > did > not. > > also how does ssomeeon get both primary and > secondary? > > what would there bloodwork show,as it cant show both > high lh/fsh and low at same time,so how does one get > such diagnosis? > > > i think endos themselves are only just waking up to > male sex hormone issues,in uk we are 20 plus yrs > behind usa but even there we still gwet people with > probems being told there blood is ok,even though its > low side of normal so they say and having bad > affects > on those peopple. > > the thing is even in medical terms there are massive > differances in what a doc may say is normal > > as my testosteron seems to stay low but does vary > between 4.6 nmol to 10.5 nmol that too would > indicate > that signals somehwere are indeed getting lost. > but for a man of 40 should be around 23 nmol my lh > and > fsh again show as in normal range but only one or > two > points into normality and not the higher end they > should be,for priomary both of those should be > abnormally high ,whjeras as my testosterone/lh and > fsh > should be in top two thids and not bottom third as > it > is at moemmnt,but as said ,if the traits i have in > other ways can be stimulated enough by ritalin then > that may help,if not we go bck and look at other > things > > regards paul > > > > > Both hypogoandism type males have some form of low > > Lh and Fsh. I'm sure I didnt type , primary > > males have high LH and FSH. Really low LH, FSH, > and > > low T indictates a disorder within the testicles. > > Rather, the testis or both cannot properly send > the > > signal to the brain in producing enough hormone > for > > normal daily functioning life. > > > > That's the easy part to understand. Secondary > males, > > are the opposite. The testicles can produce > hormone > > but the brain signal is unbalanced. Pituary > > problems. HCG acts like a a bridge to re-stimulate > > where the Pituary fails. > > > > , if your testicles are mature in size and > > width, also firm that indicates something good. > > > > If your testicles are small in size, width, very > > sensitive, and soft that indicates a more serious > > issue of their developments. > > > > If I am incorrect anyone correct me. > > > > Common sense would indicate, if the testis never > was > > able to produce, HCG would be meaningless. Dr. > > > also agrees via his web pages. > > > > I dont think I stated you must have went thru > proper > > puberty. Actually, from what you told me, I > thought > > the opposite. Its cool. Sorry you read > incorrectly. > > > > Im not reading others perceptions neither , > > other than contradictions. You need opinions and > Im > > not reading them by more experienced members here. > > Don't worry , I won't give up on you. How can > > I........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Check out the all-new beta - Fire up a > > more powerful email and get things done faster. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Hello , I'm proud of you for typing what you did. You manned up, so to speak, and informed me you were pro active with your health and have researched out side of this forum. Normally, males with secondary have bonderline low lh and fsh levels and low T. There is low T and there is low T, same with fsh and lh levels. Borderline is a good thing, given the testicles is still functioning but the sending and receiving to the puritary is the problem. Some signals get thru but not enough thus, borderline . Very low fsh and lh with very low T, indicates primary, given the testicles are not producing but the puritary signal is fine. Its like with someone in a wheel chair. Some where the nervous system stops sending the signals to use that persons legs. There are causes just like secondary and primary. Review different websites and compare what you have learned. Dont stop with hypogandism, go deeper. Tesicluar Failure is the same term for primary, but on some links different side effects. There are causes for primary. A case history, current or prior medications, accident, etc along with blood tests can conclude insteadly if a male is primary or secondary. Still, a doctor can put a male on HCG along with normal TRT. If the testicles respond, indicates secondary which is treatable. Also, you may want to have a scan for your purtiary gland. Dont forget your prostate and tesiclar and learn how to spot any problems before they become serious. You're within that age bracket and or you have prior case history. If a male has high LH and FSH levels but low T, I would conclude its not full blown hypogandism, rather a medication, etc that has caused hypgoandism-like side effects. Treatable. So, there are borderline LH and FSH and then there are very low along with very low T. If you want you can always post your last blood tests. Perhaps, your pregnant doctor before she went on leave should have given your active medical file toward the current doctor who is now taking over her work load. That is how its done in America, Im sure its done there as well. Its a shame she didnt tell you before she left, which Endo doctor was taking over her case load. You can check with that hospitals administration or simply call and ask information concerning which doctor has been taking her case load. So, you shouldnt have to wait until she gives birth in order to see a qualitied doctor who is up to date with your situations and if he or she isnt, its your job to inform. Does your country have public health insurance? Does your country have teaching and public hospitals that provide free and or affordable health coverage? , medications are what they are. They are not cures, rather pills that help lessen. Dont feel a pill for ADHD will make all your worries go away. First, ADHD medications do not help you gain normal levels of hormone. So, you still need to combat that element of your health. Medications of all kinds, take a while to " kick in " . Also, with learning disabilities, you need addition help. How to read, write, type, study, express, etc can become a challenge for you without some form of asisstance, but with assistance it can be very managable and controlled. Atleast seek some information online and also if you can, take out a library book on learning disabilities. There are numerous sites including UK, on learning disabilities online. If you feel your typing is a concern; why not try spell check before you sumit? Until you get better at such, no one else has to know you have a problem. A combination of therapy, TRT, and other professional help is what I am realizing is needed to simply combat a hormonal unbalance. I cannot conclude and I dont think any doctor can neither, if my learning disabilities is a result from having a T failure, but it is a side effect. The side effects take time to control and correct. Its a proccess but with the right support around you, you can over come. Hope I didnt offend you , but Im glad you typed what you did. --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Phil, me and you have always been cool. You have taught me allot and put me on the correct path. I didnt take it the wrong way. You're right, but I feel if me and go into private, someone new who could benefit, would be left out. Thats it. That is what I was trying to explain. You folks have lives and I dont want to type words that will make you'll day sad, etc. Trust me, I wish I can report to you folks cool stuff in my life, but please be patient until I do. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 eliot mate you seem to be asying it again very low t with very low lh and fsh is primary its not primary is low t with higher fsh and lh ? borderline really makes no differance to hypo secindary you can have one guy with low t at below the cut off point feleing better physically and mentally than someone esle with testosteron and fsh/lh into the norrmal ranges the fact is by what i have seen on here and been told on here our ranges forr t and lh/fsh should at whatever age we are be in thwe top two thirds of the accepted t for each age so me at 40 the t should be around 23.14 in fact mine last time was 7.6 ie botoom thrid,not good ,if above 14 nmo/l than that would be better. but on primary lh and fsh are above normal figures not low at all. sadly my free testosterone result seems to have got lost its been now 2 mionths since i had it done and no one seems to know where it is,my shbg came back from a not usual lab,i had been told my free t weas being done there too,my doc and the staff cant find at all where it went to and who has done it if anyone. so i still dont know what my free t is,again i have seen on here guys with reasonable testosterone totals but then there free t has been way down below normal so for me knowing my free t is important so i ahve a rough idea of whats going on and better fuller results to show another diagnosiition if and when i may afford to get a priovate one to at least diagnose but not treat. i enjoy your posts and thank yuou for them and yes others should see them i dont see a big need for private stuff others may look back in archives and see things that affect them. but i need to be sure your lh and fsh are abnormally high and you have low t,if you have low t,low fsh and low lh then you are also secindary and not primary i am surre phil or someone can confirm this low fsh /low lh low t=secindary and you can get this any age its not all to do with when you get older,you can get it at puberty i have seen nothing to suggest one cant gwet it at puberty though yes primary is more wideyl associated with undescended testicles,but again one can in fact have both so maybe i di have both and maybe you too as well. andropause ie male menopause can start as a teenager hjjust as menopause can in girls there are recorded cases of girls at 13 with menopause and so will in time more and more guys,its just at moemnt i feel male sex issues are not as known as female,and still many medics even dounbt andropause and hypogonadism of any kind so its an uphill battle to put our issues in the forefront as women finally did eith things like pmt and menopause who too were ridiculed 30 yrs ago. as for the guyts who have primarry and secindary i still dont see what the blood work would show in such cases and stil phil or anyone else know how dual hypogonadism primary and secondary would therefore be diagnosed ?? regards paul --- ELLIOT BAKER <elliotbkr@...> wrote: > Hello , I'm proud of you for typing what you > did. You manned up, so to speak, and informed me you > were pro active with your health and have researched > out side of this forum. > > Normally, males with secondary have bonderline low > lh and fsh levels and low T. There is low T and > there is low T, same with fsh and lh levels. > Borderline is a good thing, given the testicles is > still functioning but the sending and receiving to > the puritary is the problem. Some signals get thru > but not enough thus, borderline . > > Very low fsh and lh with very low T, indicates > primary, given the testicles are not producing but > the puritary signal is fine. Its like with someone > in a wheel chair. Some where the nervous system > stops sending the signals to use that persons legs. > There are causes just like secondary and primary. > > > Review different websites and compare what you have > learned. Dont stop with hypogandism, go deeper. > Tesicluar Failure is the same term for primary, but > on some links different side effects. > > > > There are causes for primary. A case history, > current or prior medications, accident, etc along > with blood tests can conclude insteadly if a male is > primary or secondary. > > Still, a doctor can put a male on HCG along with > normal TRT. If the testicles respond, indicates > secondary which is treatable. > > Also, you may want to have a scan for your purtiary > gland. Dont forget your prostate and tesiclar and > learn how to spot any problems before they become > serious. You're within that age bracket and or you > have prior case history. > > If a male has high LH and FSH levels but low T, I > would conclude its not full blown hypogandism, > rather a medication, etc that has caused > hypgoandism-like side effects. Treatable. > > So, there are borderline LH and FSH and then there > are very low along with very low T. > > If you want you can always post your last blood > tests. > > Perhaps, your pregnant doctor before she went on > leave should have given your active medical file > toward the current doctor who is now taking over her > work load. That is how its done in America, Im sure > its done there as well. Its a shame she didnt tell > you before she left, which Endo doctor was taking > over her case load. > > You can check with that hospitals administration or > simply call and ask information concerning which > doctor has been taking her case load. So, you > shouldnt have to wait until she gives birth in order > to see a qualitied doctor who is up to date with > your situations and if he or she isnt, its your job > to inform. > > Does your country have public health insurance? Does > your country have teaching and public hospitals that > provide free and or affordable health coverage? > > , medications are what they are. They are not > cures, rather pills that help lessen. Dont feel a > pill for ADHD will make all your worries go away. > > First, ADHD medications do not help you gain normal > levels of hormone. So, you still need to combat that > element of your health. > > Medications of all kinds, take a while to " kick in " . > Also, with learning disabilities, you need addition > help. How to read, write, type, study, express, etc > can become a challenge for you without some form of > asisstance, but with assistance it can be very > managable and controlled. > > Atleast seek some information online and also if you > can, take out a library book on learning > disabilities. There are numerous sites including UK, > on learning disabilities online. > > If you feel your typing is a concern; why not try > spell check before you sumit? > Until you get better at such, no one else has to > know you have a problem. > > A combination of therapy, TRT, and other > professional help is what I am realizing is needed > to simply combat a hormonal unbalance. > > I cannot conclude and I dont think any doctor can > neither, if my learning disabilities is a result > from having a T failure, but it is a side effect. > > The side effects take time to control and correct. > Its a proccess but with the right support > around you, you can over come. > > Hope I didnt offend you , but Im glad you typed > what you did. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Music > Unlimited. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. 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Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 the female doctor had not seen me at all and this other guy is her boss its just i was resomened to her by someone who does trt androgel research,he due to NHS protocoals cannot get involved at any other level,all he did wqas on seeing my figures recomen me getting a refereal from my own doc to this particualry woman,and i thought this was odd he speciafilcally asked me to go on here books and not her boss,my guess is he is fully aware her boss is old school and does not sit in very well with the latest research the adhd meds may and i say may as i am yes extrmely skeptical personally of them but i have seen personal experiance of people both good and bad on ritalin and other adhd meds,one lady i know is havign a bad time on them,another guy had them for a yr it totally cleared his head of all the confusion.the mistakes/the letharrgy and moods and was able to comme off a yr later having also gained promotion in his work. he now can do things older than me that he had never managed in past so no my hormone issues will still be there but the incrreae in all the other areas may just be enough to get me going and trt is just as risky,dot think that everyone going on trt is instantly improved,if so i must of been reading some of these mails on here wrong as many guys are still expeirancing problems,in some cases going from one trt type to another ,haiving problems with too much t or still too loew or prolactin and estrradoil suddnemy gone high to me that is way too much to deal with keep trying to sort out dosages ,it woyuld take yrs ,say i get one dosage in january ,in the nhs it would be 4 or more months before i see and endo again ,to vchange the dosage,that too is no good,so i wait another 4 months to change again ,then we deicd to add somweting else and again another 4 months wait. i am assuming you in usa can just say on a monday to endo,can i see you this week or next he says yes you go discuss changes ,start straght away and away you go,in uk its not like that,especially if you have an endo who most definately does not know what hypogonadism secondary and primary diagnosis is again yes supposed to have a PSA before starting any trt my age and history most definately show that on NHS guidelines,this guy thjough wanted to do the PSA on the 4 month of trt trial,depsite NHS saying no trt must be given until psa is done!! spo again warning signals flashed in front of me,do i really want this guy on my privates!! but do a psa for me would mean me having to be put in hospital overnight and be on epidural or full anesthetics as no way would i like it done wothout that i have extrremem sensitivty issues and the hospital know that on just penis examiniation i have to be taken in on epidural put in a seperate ward with onw nurse for night so to make me more relaxed and then epidulral and exam. thsats how i am at such things so that too would take time to do regards paul no i am in no doubt ADHD meds first and foremost we can re look at trt later,also hormone imballances can be made worse by stress anxiety etc so if adhd meds relieve tat then indeed its possible the t and lh/fsh may improve even slightly ,i would like to see if that happend or not,we really dont kno till we try > > You can check with that hospitals administration or > simply call and ask information concerning which > doctor has been taking her case load. So, you > shouldnt have to wait until she gives birth in order > to see a qualitied doctor who is up to date with > your situations and if he or she isnt, its your job > to inform. > > Does your country have public health insurance? Does > your country have teaching and public hospitals that > provide free and or affordable health coverage? > > , medications are what they are. They are not > cures, rather pills that help lessen. Dont feel a > pill for ADHD will make all your worries go away. > > First, ADHD medications do not help you gain normal > levels of hormone. So, you still need to combat that > element of your health. > > Medications of all kinds, take a while to " kick in " . > Also, with learning disabilities, you need addition > help. How to read, write, type, study, express, etc > can become a challenge for you without some form of > asisstance, but with assistance it can be very > managable and controlled. > > Atleast seek some information online and also if you > can, take out a library book on learning > disabilities. There are numerous sites including UK, > on learning disabilities online. > > If you feel your typing is a concern; why not try > spell check before you sumit? > Until you get better at such, no one else has to > know you have a problem. > > A combination of therapy, TRT, and other > professional help is what I am realizing is needed > to simply combat a hormonal unbalance. > > I cannot conclude and I dont think any doctor can > neither, if my learning disabilities is a result > from having a T failure, but it is a side effect. > > The side effects take time to control and correct. > Its a proccess but with the right support > around you, you can over come. > > Hope I didnt offend you , but Im glad you typed > what you did. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Music > Unlimited. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. 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Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Elliot you will be fine hell it took me 22 yrs. to find out what is the real problem. I was not saying to stop posting just some of them look to me to be of a personal bases. Maybe it's just me carry on. Phil ELLIOT BAKER <elliotbkr@...> wrote: Phil, me and you have always been cool. You have taught me allot and put me on the correct path. I didnt take it the wrong way. You're right, but I feel if me and go into private, someone new who could benefit, would be left out. Thats it. That is what I was trying to explain. You folks have lives and I dont want to type words that will make you'll day sad, etc. Trust me, I wish I can report to you folks cool stuff in my life, but please be patient until I do. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Hello , I also enjoy reading your posts. Maybe Im wrong. I was under the impression very low FSH and LH and Low T equal Primary Hypogonadism. It did in my situation and I have researched. I may start adding links, etc to confirm my findings. , the low T while on a proper TRT, will work itself out. Get on the right treatments and then focus on other areas of your life that need amending. I'm sure in time you will go back to work. Hey, you went to college; I have tried three times already and never got out of the second semister. If you get anything out of our communications, note its all a process once you have realized the problems and thus, seeked some form of treatment(s). Medications and therapy can only take a human being so far; the rest is simply up to us. Continue the faith . --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Hahaha , you're not getting any action else where, so go ahead and let that wanker doc on your privates. Just don't get hard. Had to think about something else when an attractive doctor saw my gentialia. Hey, first time a female actually wanted to see me naked. Thought about what-if..... Then I quickly came back to reality so..... Unfortunately , TRT alone isn't a cure, but it's a start. Yes, it is dangerous, but what medication, FDA approved isn't? I'll continue to take the limited risk while fighting off depression, Estrogen, and a few other concerns. TRT isn't a cure but with other medications and therapy along with a new frame of mind, I will improve and so can you. Pretty much correct on American health. I just got in touch with one of my Endo doctors just know. Need a new vial but I don't have an appointment. My fault for not demanding I receive one every month for medication. I go to a hospital rather than a small clinic; very impersonal but my insurance is cheap.... , you live either in the UK or England right? Neither are considered " Third World Countries " . It must be a better way where you can see a qualified Endrocrine Specialist under your budget and or health insurance. Their are numerous medical articles from both countries all over the net, including Endocrine. I worry you feel the situation in finding a qualified specialist is precluded. Even if you have to take the bus or train 500 miles which ever, then do it. You both can communicate via phone, email, and fax in between visits. Forget about the meanings of low T. From the blood tests you already taken you need an Endo who is qualified to consult you on an universal treatment plan, where the different elements of doctors come together and conclude what treatment plan is best suited for your condition. I had to figure out that on my own after trying numerous medications from Cardo too ED. Realized I don't have ED just PE. But, my Endo made sure I was seeing someone for meds and therapy. Other related problems from Tesicluar Failure, was referred and addressed, because I spoke up and told my Endo doc every little problem I had a concern towards. Before that I told my general doc. --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 NP Phil and please carry on; you have earned that right. Hey, I will be alright. I'm trying to let who is older also know its never to late to be alright and content. I worry to be honest, I will be his age within the same disposition. But, I continue to have faith in myself. I still research and stay current on my condition. I still see doctors every month and still inform them if something isnt working or Im unbalanced then the normal. Im good with computers. For the first time in my life I am good at something. Now its a situation where I must read, and in time, pass some certificate tests. I may try, Focus Factor. The things I want to do, will need more than TRT and therapy. I know what I must do and in time, I hope I can succeed. But, Im doing what I must as a human being, to get better. Unfortunately for others and myself, that isnt enough, but I realized it will have to do for now. Phil, do you have to take TRT for the rest of your life as well? What happens, if you do not take TRT for a cycle period? What are some of the side effects that will re-surface? The more I give myself a shot, the more I seem to do it wrong, given I FEEL THE SHOT GO IN! BLAH! Perhaps, someone like Brad or Phil, can convert the 330 too 400 MG I take per two weeks into Androgel MG? (Any thing less and I will feel side effects). I think I may want to try the gel again. Even if I have to do it every day. --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 hi i dont at this time or near futrue intend going back into college worrk or relatiiosnhips i have had enough of all i prefer my own comonay and dont mix with others and dont really want to mix with others there is no point in priotitising the low t whne thwere is no endo or support to do that,i would have to be mad to look at that when the fist things i need to do is to try adhd meds of various descriptions if and when the local NHS get sufficient qulaified and knowledgeble staff on male hormone issues then fine i can re look at that area,but not while in earkly stages of any other meds. i suppose maybe one day i will work b ut what i n,i have no skills no interests except my hobby which would never gwt a proper job,andi dont like anyone telling me what to do,and ifd working forr ones self tying to suck up to people to keep them using my business for example i would find impossibole to do. of course wthi the adhd meds well who knows,my oultook this time next week may of already started to change,but i dont think even with perhaps better concentration,my interest in doing anything is sitll likley to be the same. i have very narrow repeetitive obsessive interests which is common in someone with aspergers now if myt interest was computers or enginerring,games desing,artistic talents and desingning etc then the life of work for an aspie is a little bit easier,but my interests are simply too narrow and i live only for mysefl i have no interest in money wealth possesions and fashion or education/work/relatioships and so on. when my parents want to deciorate a rooom ,i say why,to me a room is a box as long as something to sleep on or sit on then what does it matter if its untdiy bug ridden/smelly /unpainted and no other furniture etc,my attitsued to worrking and diucation is similar i always ask why do i need those things,they have no interest for me. i njoy the things i do afford to do from time to time,enjoyment in moderation if i do something even i enjoy too much i will overload and go hyper,so i have lernt over time only since my diagnosisis to do things slower and not allow mysefl to get oever excited. it may sound odd to most people but its my world and it although disabling in many ways i have to seek my own way of navigating and enjoying what i do hold dear and throwing out the things that cause too much trouble. i have been to college but i cant cope with the people the noises or the work,just as i ciould not when working just as i cant with people in general. this is pretty typical aspie though as said those with real interests in mainstream issues or high iq do faire a bit better in then real world. many aspies of normal iq like me dont work and are unable to work we seek our pleasures in ways peculiar to us and cast aside the needs most have ie work/marriage/children/education buying a house and doing all those mundane chorres life is expecting of one. but as others have now said primary is most definately low t high fsh high lh if all 3 of those low then its secondarry i think brad also aluded to this so in this case are you low t,low lh and fsh if so then hypo secondary is what it should be but as said i still beleive we have a long way to go on male sex hormone research and many things over the next few yrs will be found i forr one link having one hormone issue with others so i have problems with suagr/glucose and insulin i have most likely adrenal fatgiue as well and of course the pituitaryt gland and problems with lh/fsh so thats at least 4 hormon issues i have and i think this is similar for guys and girls ,having one hormone issue should get medics looking at all. also re the adhd aspergers etc its becming common thinking to see that some of these issues are down to signalling issues from the brain ,so this again ties in with also the hormone issues and the sexual issues. and also actual brain not formed correctly causing the signalling faulty wiring so to speak. a commion theme within me is brain signalling issues,some temporary blocking,some overloading and some not wsorking at all nou doubt its interesting a know a lot of autistic male and female with genitalia and sexual functioning/desire issues,and also a lot of gender indetification issues ie transexuals ,small genitalia in women and men as well,again brain signalling one professor digbyt tantum in uk has in past said he has seen an unusually high incidence of sexual gender/genitalia issues in autitstics children with phimosis and non retractible foreskin[my foreskin does not retract] and undescended testicles . in the original hans aspergeers papers in 1944 he also noted a high incidence of undescended testicles and siad so on his first 7 subjects ,he only mnetioned one as actually having undescended testicles but then later alliuded to a high occurence of undesecended testicles . there is even a theory on autism that the woman has some sort of testosterone abnormal rush into her system at time of conception that somehow can cause autism ,could this t rush cause sexual problems later for the child i wonder?? could it explain my excess body hair but lack of some other things?? who knows there is so much researrch into these things and yes some are linking low t to autism as well. even in the files of this group ifound an article linkjing ADHD with sugar absoption issues and low t!! very interesting so anyway basically adhd ritalin is next week we shall wait and see to say i am scared would be a massive understatement it could kill me on first dose ,it could increase concentration but also moods,if so i will stop it,if however it does not increase concetration but decreases moods and anxieity then i will stick with it. these meds have so many differant weffect on differant people no one can say as yet,so i may be dead in a week or well i cant say ,all i know its taken a long fight ot get to this and i intend to try and see on matter what the results i can at least say i tried . then other tihngs in future trt or adhd meds all have dangers,in fact on high blood pressure trt is also not recomended . and it does not suit all,and people have to keep choppng and changing to find somethingf thayt works and within the nhs that changing and adding things,balancing things requires an expert on my side and i dont have such an expert,whereas on adhd i have a world renowned professor,cant get better thsn that imo is the trt you have working as you state you have same issues as some of mine so that again suggests its not going quite how you would like thanks paul --- ELLIOT BAKER <elliotbkr@...> wrote: > Hello , I also enjoy reading your posts. Maybe > Im wrong. I was under the impression very low FSH > and LH and Low T equal Primary Hypogonadism. It did > in my situation and I have researched. I may start > adding links, etc to confirm my findings. > > , the low T while on a proper TRT, will work > itself out. Get on the right treatments and then > focus on other areas of your life that need > amending. > > I'm sure in time you will go back to work. Hey, you > went to college; I have tried three times already > and never got out of the second semister. > > If you get anything out of our communications, note > its all a process once you have realized the > problems and thus, seeked some form of treatment(s). > Medications and therapy can only take a human being > so far; the rest is simply up to us. > > Continue the faith . > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Music > Unlimited. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ___________________________________________________________ The all-new goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 its a snesitivlty issue anyone touchingf me has me scraming shouting and crying and kicking legs out and on attempts to look one time i nearly knocked doc and nurse out i also had one of those endoscopy things put dowen my penis once ,with gel anaesthetic yuo wont feel anytihng they said, i told them how sensitive i was and they did not beleive me,they do now thats all i will say unless i am piut out i diont let anyone examine me. and as for those communication in uk it does not work that way at best in a hospital you may get the speicalists secretarty,take my endo ,i speak to his secetary she tells me off for contacitng her!!! she says i should only go though hospital appointment and only if you have been sent one,you cant just ask for one cause you want one,NHS dont worry about that,its all about how they work. so you go to your own doc and ask to see the endo again they wirte to the endos secretary she passes it onto the appointments and at some time in future 4-6 months you get one for me a lovely whole 9 minutes of no asking about my undescended testiclse and op,no asking about sexualk functioning,all he said was hoe he said the stuff i had sheon him was incorrect but what he would do was tell my doc i was partial andrognen deficient and neglected to tell me what that was,thank god for internet so i ofund out whne i got home!! my doc says just stik eith the diagnosis he has given even if he has got the diagnosis criteria for hypo wrong. so nothing else i can do there,i mention it on every viisti to the doc and just leave it is the impression i get ,well for now as adhd meds are imminent there is no way i could do both as both will possibly add to my blood pressure so one for now and thats ritalin regards paul as for helath insurances its not same as usa even those with company health insurance to get any money for these issues would be difficult. the i could travel 600 miles but i can only do that id my docs send a refereal i csnt just call the endo and aay can i see you,it dont work like that,you have to cionvince the doc then about 6 motnhs later you may and i mean may get an appointment yes if you can afford actual private then you phone 9 am in morning you ould very quiclky be in a specialists office but even that is slowed sometimes becasue even if going private for somthing the doc you have has to refer you and he/she only does that if they tihnk its an issue and ocnvincing them is hard work sometimes. but no the NHS has national guidelines if that says we only offer one typoe of treatment and no other support then that is it,you cant like in usa just ask lets try this and that. --- ELLIOT BAKER <elliotbkr@...> wrote: > Hahaha , you're not getting any action else > where, so go ahead and let that wanker doc on your > privates. Just don't get hard. Had to think about > something else when an attractive doctor saw my > gentialia. Hey, first time a female actually wanted > to see me naked. Thought about what-if..... Then I > quickly came back to reality so..... > > Unfortunately , TRT alone isn't a cure, but it's > a start. Yes, it is dangerous, but what medication, > FDA approved isn't? I'll continue to take the > limited risk while fighting off depression, > Estrogen, and a few other concerns. > > TRT isn't a cure but with other medications and > therapy along with a new frame of mind, I will > improve and so can you. > > Pretty much correct on American health. I just got > in touch with one of my Endo doctors just know. Need > a new vial but I don't have an appointment. My fault > for not demanding I receive one every month for > medication. I go to a hospital rather than a small > clinic; very impersonal but my insurance is > cheap.... > > , you live either in the UK or England right? > Neither are considered " Third World Countries " . It > must be a better way where you can see a qualified > Endrocrine Specialist under your budget and or > health insurance. > > Their are numerous medical articles from both > countries all over the net, including Endocrine. I > worry you feel the situation in finding a qualified > specialist is precluded. Even if you have to take > the bus or train 500 miles which ever, then do it. > You both can communicate via phone, email, and fax > in between visits. > > > Forget about the meanings of low T. From the blood > tests you already taken you need an Endo who is > qualified to consult you on an universal treatment > plan, where the different elements of doctors come > together and conclude what treatment plan is best > suited for your condition. > > I had to figure out that on my own after trying > numerous medications from Cardo too ED. Realized I > don't have ED just PE. > > But, my Endo made sure I was seeing someone for > meds and therapy. Other related problems from > Tesicluar Failure, was referred and addressed, > because I spoke up and told my Endo doc every little > problem I had a concern towards. Before that I told > my general doc. > > > --------------------------------- > Want to start your own business? Learn how on > Small Business. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs./trueswitch2.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Cool of you to comment Brad. I remember before I got on shots, last Feb. I was taking 2.5 of the gel x 5 per day. It got to be too much. I respond better to a higher doses. I tried around 1 and 2 ML, just to see so I wouldn't have to keep going back per month and I quickly felt the side effects. Neverous-ness, depression, self hate, etc. The erections were still there, but given I'm not scoring...... I'll just stick to the shots for now. Get better at giving myself a shot. I do it in the behind. *Realized that didn't read too well for a straight guy*. But I will try the thigh next. Easier to manage my hands, rather than reaching in the back. --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Mortgage for $1,698/mo - Calculate new house payment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Hey , nice post once again. So, what are you good at folks think it can be a business? Computers for me is hard to concept, but I am managing. I am into organization around the studio to better learn how to handle my situations. Its difficult for me not to feel sad about not having a girlfriend, but I try I guess to learn more about computers. I will be associating with the local learning disability department. Hopefully, I can afford professional assistance. Every little bit helps. Swallow-my-pride-time for me. There is so many side effects from low T . so i have problems with suagr/glucose and insulin i have most likely adrenal fatgiue as well and of course the pituitaryt gland and problems with lh/fsh I have a sugar range of around 110. Not diabetes but I understand that along with high cholesterol is side effects from hypogandism. Its good you are relating toward folks within your situation. I hope you can also find friendships online. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Here I thought Tony Blair was getting things done over there in relation toward quality health care. Geesh, thats a bit rough. Is it a situation where you are very much ashamed of your size or just have some withdrawnal toward being naked? I remember during my teens, talking to my family doc that I felt my package was abnormal. I remember each time I said my testes was smaller along with my size he concluded the opposite. Go figure. Get your visa and come over to America . paul wey <promachief@...> wrote: its a snesitivlty issue anyone touchingf me has me scraming shouting and crying and kicking legs out and on attempts to look one time i nearly knocked doc and nurse out i also had one of those endoscopy things put dowen my penis once ,with gel anaesthetic yuo wont feel anytihng they said, i told them how sensitive i was and they did not beleive me,they do now thats all i will say unless i am piut out i diont let anyone examine me. and as for those communication in uk it does not work that way at best in a hospital you may get the speicalists secretarty,take my endo ,i speak to his secetary she tells me off for contacitng her!!! she says i should only go though hospital appointment and only if you have been sent one,you cant just ask for one cause you want one,NHS dont worry about that,its all about how they work. so you go to your own doc and ask to see the endo again they wirte to the endos secretary she passes it onto the appointments and at some time in future 4-6 months you get one for me a lovely whole 9 minutes of no asking about my undescended testiclse and op,no asking about sexualk functioning,all he said was hoe he said the stuff i had sheon him was incorrect but what he would do was tell my doc i was partial andrognen deficient and neglected to tell me what that was,thank god for internet so i ofund out whne i got home!! my doc says just stik eith the diagnosis he has given even if he has got the diagnosis criteria for hypo wrong. so nothing else i can do there,i mention it on every viisti to the doc and just leave it is the impression i get ,well for now as adhd meds are imminent there is no way i could do both as both will possibly add to my blood pressure so one for now and thats ritalin regards paul as for helath insurances its not same as usa even those with company health insurance to get any money for these issues would be difficult. the i could travel 600 miles but i can only do that id my docs send a refereal i csnt just call the endo and aay can i see you,it dont work like that,you have to cionvince the doc then about 6 motnhs later you may and i mean may get an appointment yes if you can afford actual private then you phone 9 am in morning you ould very quiclky be in a specialists office but even that is slowed sometimes becasue even if going private for somthing the doc you have has to refer you and he/she only does that if they tihnk its an issue and ocnvincing them is hard work sometimes. but no the NHS has national guidelines if that says we only offer one typoe of treatment and no other support then that is it,you cant like in usa just ask lets try this and that. --- ELLIOT BAKER wrote: > Hahaha , you're not getting any action else > where, so go ahead and let that wanker doc on your > privates. Just don't get hard. Had to think about > something else when an attractive doctor saw my > gentialia. Hey, first time a female actually wanted > to see me naked. Thought about what-if..... Then I > quickly came back to reality so..... > > Unfortunately , TRT alone isn't a cure, but it's > a start. Yes, it is dangerous, but what medication, > FDA approved isn't? I'll continue to take the > limited risk while fighting off depression, > Estrogen, and a few other concerns. > > TRT isn't a cure but with other medications and > therapy along with a new frame of mind, I will > improve and so can you. > > Pretty much correct on American health. I just got > in touch with one of my Endo doctors just know. Need > a new vial but I don't have an appointment. My fault > for not demanding I receive one every month for > medication. I go to a hospital rather than a small > clinic; very impersonal but my insurance is > cheap.... > > , you live either in the UK or England right? > Neither are considered " Third World Countries " . It > must be a better way where you can see a qualified > Endrocrine Specialist under your budget and or > health insurance. > > Their are numerous medical articles from both > countries all over the net, including Endocrine. I > worry you feel the situation in finding a qualified > specialist is precluded. Even if you have to take > the bus or train 500 miles which ever, then do it. > You both can communicate via phone, email, and fax > in between visits. > > > Forget about the meanings of low T. From the blood > tests you already taken you need an Endo who is > qualified to consult you on an universal treatment > plan, where the different elements of doctors come > together and conclude what treatment plan is best > suited for your condition. > > I had to figure out that on my own after trying > numerous medications from Cardo too ED. Realized I > don't have ED just PE. > > But, my Endo made sure I was seeing someone for > meds and therapy. Other related problems from > Tesicluar Failure, was referred and addressed, > because I spoke up and told my Endo doc every little > problem I had a concern towards. Before that I told > my general doc. > > > --------------------------------- > Want to start your own business? 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Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 yes on all those too more things the same though not surprising they do go hand in hand with low t be in andropause orr hypogonadism for adrenal fatigue it states on diagnosis [self diagnosis i have seen] if you bp raises 10 points on standing up on diastolic and systolic then its higlhy likely you have it wekll i have my own bp monitor and guess what it raises 10 points from a sitting to stadning reading blood sugar fasting yes morning was 6.9 nmo/ which is 124 in us terms though others rcently have been 6 nmol 108 and 6.3 nmol 113 mg/dl us figures on eating foood including sugary stuff its alcuatlly a bit lower usually 5.1 to 5.8 nmo/l 92-104 in usa this is pre diabetes in uk its impaired fasting glucose . 7 nmol or i 126 mg/dl is now worldwide standard as diabetes [thats on fasting ] on friday i am having a glucose intolerence test i asked my doc on mond and she agreed that would be ok and worth doing,the thing is at 6.9 or lower the strips and needles for my glucometer i have to pay for if its higher then i get for free,the glucose test will show for definate if my borderline figures are enough in fact i may cheat tell them i have had nothing but eat some sugary foods before i go in,then i will hopefully gwt a proper diabetes reading and then the free prescrptions for the glucometer regards paul > > There is so many side effects from low T . > > so i have problems with suagr/glucose and insulin > i have most likely adrenal fatgiue as well > and of course the pituitaryt gland and problems with > lh/fsh > I have a sugar range of around 110. Not diabetes but > I understand that along with > high cholesterol is side effects from hypogandism. > > Its good you are relating toward folks within your > situation. I hope you can also find friendships > online. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new > beta. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 my sensitivities are not Tony blairs fault a lot of stuff is lol but i will let him off that no the staff are good and caring but for me i have sensory oveload i dont and cant wear jeweleery/watches/hats/jumpers/i dont like being covered up much at home if parents around shorts only if not then naked and bed time too,i get very very warrm,can knock into things if mobile phones and music playing while i am trying to concetrate,and just cant bear to be touched much,you should see the face i pull when i have my bllod done it always makes the girls there smile. if i go out i usually wear same main clothes for days on end,have not changed my trouserrs now for 4 months,i only changed the last pair as a whole developed in the pocket!! same with smells i can freak out just smelling paint or a ciggarete,grease smell also affects me,i eat toast with knife and fork,cakes as well,dont like getting butter or saucce on me. think of how the tv detective MONK feels often if you have ever seen him and you have me as weill in many siutations. though i am not someone who has to have it all clean its just i dont like the taste and smells of things on my body though love my own smells to go out the door all conditions have to be right for me and if any one then goes wrong thats me freaking out again,its extremely exhausiting. all my senses have things that make me feel i am coming under attack from ,and of course that too does not help when being in a relationship though i did try and yes i did get naled with the last girl in the end,but she did not touch me in that way,i was ok with cuddling etc,in limited amounts,i use to hold her hand for a few seonds then release as it was too much whci always surprised her,so come bits are more bearable than others and all sensitivty issues depend on other things how i am on a speciifc day or time ,can make one thingf more bearable at one time than the next. again its commmon in the conditiona i have --- ELLIOT BAKER <elliotbkr@...> wrote: > Here I thought Tony Blair was getting things done > over there in relation toward quality health care. > > Geesh, thats a bit rough. Is it a situation where > you are very much ashamed of your size or just have > some withdrawnal toward being naked? > > I remember during my teens, talking to my family doc > that I felt my package was abnormal. I remember each > time I said my testes was smaller along with my size > he concluded the opposite. Go figure. > > Get your visa and come over to America . > > paul wey <promachief@...> wrote: its a > snesitivlty issue anyone touchingf me has me > scraming shouting and crying and kicking legs out > and > on attempts to look one time i nearly knocked doc > and > nurse out > > i also had one of those endoscopy things put dowen > my > penis once ,with gel anaesthetic > > yuo wont feel anytihng they said, i told them how > sensitive i was and they did not beleive me,they do > now thats all i will say > > unless i am piut out i diont let anyone examine me. > > and as for those communication in uk it does not > work > that way at best in a hospital you may get the > speicalists secretarty,take my endo ,i speak to his > secetary she tells me off for contacitng her!!! > > > she says i should only go though hospital > appointment > and only if you have been sent one,you cant just ask > for one cause you want one,NHS dont worry about > that,its all about how they work. > > so you go to your own doc and ask to see the endo > again they wirte to the endos secretary she passes > it > onto the appointments and at some time in future 4-6 > months you get one for me a lovely whole 9 minutes > of > no asking about my undescended testiclse and op,no > asking about sexualk functioning,all he said was hoe > he said the stuff i had sheon him was incorrect but > what he would do was tell my doc i was partial > andrognen deficient and neglected to tell me what > that > was,thank god for internet so i ofund out whne i > got > home!! > > my doc says just stik eith the diagnosis he has > given > even if he has got the diagnosis criteria for hypo > wrong. > > so nothing else i can do there,i mention it on every > viisti to the doc and just leave it is the > impression > i get ,well for now as adhd meds are imminent there > is > no way i could do both as both will possibly add to > my > blood pressure so one for now and thats ritalin > > regards paul > as for helath insurances its not same as usa even > those with company health insurance to get any money > for these issues would be difficult. > > the i could travel 600 miles but i can only do that > id > my docs send a refereal i csnt just call the endo > and > aay can i see you,it dont work like that,you have to > cionvince the doc then about 6 motnhs later you may > and i mean may get an appointment > > yes if you can afford actual private then you phone > 9 > am in morning you ould very quiclky be in a > specialists office but even that is slowed sometimes > becasue even if going private for somthing the doc > you > have has to refer you and he/she only does that if > they tihnk its an issue and ocnvincing them is hard > work sometimes. > > but no the NHS has national guidelines if that says > we > only offer one typoe of treatment and no other > support > then that is it,you cant like in usa just ask lets > try > this and that. > --- ELLIOT BAKER wrote: > > > Hahaha , you're not getting any action else > > where, so go ahead and let that wanker doc on your > > privates. Just don't get hard. Had to think about > > something else when an attractive doctor saw my > > gentialia. Hey, first time a female actually > wanted > > to see me naked. Thought about what-if..... Then I > > quickly came back to reality so..... > > > > Unfortunately , TRT alone isn't a cure, but > it's > > a start. Yes, it is dangerous, but what > medication, > > FDA approved isn't? I'll continue to take the > > limited risk while fighting off depression, > > Estrogen, and a few other concerns. > > > > TRT isn't a cure but with other medications and > > therapy along with a new frame of mind, I will > > improve and so can you. > > > > Pretty much correct on American health. I just got > > in touch with one of my Endo doctors just know. > Need > > a new vial but I don't have an appointment. My > fault > > for not demanding I receive one every month for > > medication. I go to a hospital rather than a small > > clinic; very impersonal but my insurance is > > cheap.... > > > > , you live either in the UK or England right? > > Neither are considered " Third World Countries " . It > > must be a better way where you can see a qualified > > Endrocrine Specialist under your budget and or > > health insurance. > > > > Their are numerous medical articles from both > > countries all over the net, including Endocrine. I > > worry you feel the situation in finding a > qualified > > specialist is precluded. Even if you have to take > > the bus or train 500 miles which ever, then do it. > > You both can communicate via phone, email, and fax > > in between visits. > > > > > > Forget about the meanings of low T. From the blood > > tests you already taken you need an Endo who is > > qualified to consult you on an universal treatment > > plan, where the different elements of doctors come > > together and conclude what treatment plan is best > > suited for your condition. > > > > I had to figure out that on my own after trying > > numerous medications from Cardo too ED. Realized I > > don't have ED just PE. > > > > But, my Endo made sure I was seeing someone for > > meds and therapy. Other related problems from > > Tesicluar Failure, was referred and addressed, > > because I spoke up and told my Endo doc every > little > > problem I had a concern towards. Before that I > told > > my general doc. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on > > > Small Business. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Copy addresses and emails from any email account to > - quick, easy and free. > http://uk.docs./trueswitch2.html > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Hello , how was your day? So, it's not totally about your genitalia rather a phobia? Wow, you had a gf that was cool with your size and stuff, and yet you chouldn't do anything sexually with her? It does scare me a bit, whenever I guess God allows me to be with a female, how it would feel to be simply alone and touched. It will be orkward. I dont know what Ill do if she starts kissing and stuff on me. Well, on the positive, given Im honest about my condition now the trepidation shouldnt be that great. So, what if it lasts a mere minute. Its women who complain. A minute of sex should be rewarding. You rock . We should crash TomKat wedding in India over the weekend. --------------------------------- Sponsored Link $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/month - Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? Find Out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Hi the test you did with your BP is good it is bad when you take it laying down and then after you stand up and the BP goes down. Here is a link to 3 tests you can do. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ Phil paul wey <promachief@...> wrote: yes on all those too more things the same though not surprising they do go hand in hand with low t be in andropause orr hypogonadism for adrenal fatigue it states on diagnosis [self diagnosis i have seen] if you bp raises 10 points on standing up on diastolic and systolic then its higlhy likely you have it wekll i have my own bp monitor and guess what it raises 10 points from a sitting to stadning reading blood sugar fasting yes morning was 6.9 nmo/ which is 124 in us terms though others rcently have been 6 nmol 108 and 6.3 nmol 113 mg/dl us figures on eating foood including sugary stuff its alcuatlly a bit lower usually 5.1 to 5.8 nmo/l 92-104 in usa this is pre diabetes in uk its impaired fasting glucose . 7 nmol or i 126 mg/dl is now worldwide standard as diabetes [thats on fasting ] on friday i am having a glucose intolerence test i asked my doc on mond and she agreed that would be ok and worth doing,the thing is at 6.9 or lower the strips and needles for my glucometer i have to pay for if its higher then i get for free,the glucose test will show for definate if my borderline figures are enough in fact i may cheat tell them i have had nothing but eat some sugary foods before i go in,then i will hopefully gwt a proper diabetes reading and then the free prescrptions for the glucometer regards paul > > There is so many side effects from low T . > > so i have problems with suagr/glucose and insulin > i have most likely adrenal fatgiue as well > and of course the pituitaryt gland and problems with > lh/fsh > I have a sugar range of around 110. Not diabetes but > I understand that along with > high cholesterol is side effects from hypogandism. > > Its good you are relating toward folks within your > situation. I hope you can also find friendships > online. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new > beta. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Degrees for working adults in as fast as 1 year. Bachelors, Masters, Associates. Top schools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 thats odd on adrenal fatigue site it states sit down take bp then stand and take bp again if it has gone up about 10 points then you have adrenal fatgiue --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: > Hi the test you did with your BP is good it is bad > when you take it laying down and then after you > stand up and the BP goes down. Here is a link to 3 > tests you can do. > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ > Phil > > paul wey <promachief@...> wrote: > > yes on all those too more things the same though not > surprising they do go hand in hand with low t be in > andropause orr hypogonadism > > for adrenal fatigue it states on diagnosis [self > diagnosis i have seen] if you bp raises 10 points on > standing up on diastolic and systolic then its > higlhy > likely you have it > > wekll i have my own bp monitor and guess what it > raises 10 points from a sitting to stadning reading > > blood sugar fasting yes morning was 6.9 nmo/ which > is > 124 in us terms though others rcently have been 6 > nmol > 108 and 6.3 nmol 113 mg/dl us figures > > on eating foood including sugary stuff its alcuatlly > a > bit lower usually 5.1 to 5.8 nmo/l 92-104 > > in usa this is pre diabetes in uk its impaired > fasting > glucose . > > 7 nmol or i 126 mg/dl is now worldwide standard as > diabetes [thats on fasting ] > > on friday i am having a glucose intolerence test i > asked my doc on mond and she agreed that would be ok > and worth doing,the thing is at 6.9 or lower the > strips and needles for my glucometer i have to pay > for > if its higher then i get for free,the glucose test > will show for definate if my borderline figures are > enough > > in fact i may cheat tell them i have had nothing but > eat some sugary foods before i go in,then i will > hopefully gwt a proper diabetes reading and then the > free prescrptions for the glucometer > > regards paul > > > > There is so many side effects from low T . > > > > so i have problems with suagr/glucose and insulin > > i have most likely adrenal fatgiue as well > > and of course the pituitaryt gland and problems > with > > lh/fsh > > I have a sugar range of around 110. Not diabetes > but > > I understand that along with > > high cholesterol is side effects from hypogandism. > > > > > Its good you are relating toward folks within your > > situation. I hope you can also find friendships > > online. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Everyone is raving about the all-new > > beta. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Sponsored Link > > Degrees for working adults in as fast as 1 year. > Bachelors, Masters, Associates. Top schools > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ___________________________________________________________ All New – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 apologies i have found it and once again i had read wrong,this is why my concentration/memory and comprehension problems cause problems in fact just done the tyest again and this time its not gone up or lower but its so high today despite my bp tablets mainly cause i have been in a panic all day,our wonderfukl NHS in UK locally have decided to make my phycologist redundant to cut costs so i lose my vital person the only one i tell almost everything to in 5 weeks time this led me into my lips quivering,stuttering and crying and my phycologist has had to drive me home,she too is upset,forr me as she knows how vital she is forr me and its takne a year for me to open up to things i never have before in some cases,i may be able to see someone once a month but for me thats no good,also with my ritlain starting next week losing here in 5 weeks makes that harder to do as well and am just not sure of anything at this time ,my small world has collapsed around me again wehat a shit time i having the nhs are just hanging me and others out to dry and dont care about our needs. regards paul --- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: > Hi the test you did with your BP is good it is bad > when you take it laying down and then after you > stand up and the BP goes down. Here is a link to 3 > tests you can do. > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ > Phil > ___________________________________________________________ The all-new goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Hey , have you tried www.lovebyrd.com yet? Its a dating site for folks with disabilities. paul wey <promachief@...> wrote: apologies i have found it and once again i had read wrong,this is why my concentration/memory and comprehension problems cause problems in fact just done the tyest again and this time its not gone up or lower but its so high today despite my bp tablets mainly cause i have been in a panic all day,our wonderfukl NHS in UK locally have decided to make my phycologist redundant to cut costs so i lose my vital person the only one i tell almost everything to in 5 weeks time this led me into my lips quivering,stuttering and crying and my phycologist has had to drive me home,she too is upset,forr me as she knows how vital she is forr me and its takne a year for me to open up to things i never have before in some cases,i may be able to see someone once a month but for me thats no good,also with my ritlain starting next week losing here in 5 weeks makes that harder to do as well and am just not sure of anything at this time ,my small world has collapsed around me again wehat a shit time i having the nhs are just hanging me and others out to dry and dont care about our needs. regards paul --- philip georgian wrote: > Hi the test you did with your BP is good it is bad > when you take it laying down and then after you > stand up and the BP goes down. Here is a link to 3 > tests you can do. > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ > Phil > ___________________________________________________________ The all-new goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 no have not i dont intend to have anything to do with women apart from perhaps an odd chat or coffee once every few months or so,or professionally ie doctors/nurses etc regards paul --- ELLIOT BAKER <elliotbkr@...> wrote: > Hey , have you tried www.lovebyrd.com yet? Its a > dating site for folks with disabilities. > > > paul wey <promachief@...> wrote: apologies i > have found it and once again i had read > wrong,this is why my concentration/memory and > comprehension problems cause problems > > > in fact just done the tyest again and this time its > not gone up or lower but its so high today despite > my > bp tablets mainly cause i have been in a panic all > day,our wonderfukl NHS in UK locally have decided to > make my phycologist redundant to cut costs so i > lose > my vital person the only one i tell almost > everything > to in 5 weeks time > > this led me into my lips quivering,stuttering and > crying and my phycologist has had to drive me > home,she > too is upset,forr me as she knows how vital she is > forr me and its takne a year for me to open up to > things i never have before in some cases,i may be > able > to see someone once a month but for me thats no > good,also with my ritlain starting next week losing > here in 5 weeks makes that harder to do as well and > am > just not sure of anything at this time ,my small > world > has collapsed around me again wehat a shit time i > having > > the nhs are just hanging me and others out to dry > and > dont care about our needs. > > > regards paul > --- philip georgian > wrote: > > > Hi the test you did with your BP is good it is bad > > when you take it laying down and then after you > > stand up and the BP goes down. Here is a link to > 3 > > tests you can do. > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ > > Phil > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > The all-new goes wherever you go - free > your email address from your Internet provider. > http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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