Niacin

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Could you be allergic to the Niacin?

Debby

bsmyers1@... wrote:

They told me to take an adult aspirin 20 to 30 min. before taking the Niacin

because its supposed to help. Not.

The first night I did the aspirin thing and it was awful. I itched and burned so

bad I told them it was worse than menopause.

The second night I was instructed to take benadryl with the aspirin. I took 2

(they are small) and the aspirin. The itching and burning were awful again.

I am going to try again tonight because they swear if I can tough it out my body

will get used to it.

I am still itching today. I have scratch marks on my arms and actually drew

blood.

I hope it gets better.

Did you continue taking it or did you quit?

In the Mountains Itching Away

From: dssll2@...

Date: 2007/07/03 Tue PM 07:33:55 CDT

Subject: Re: [ ] Cholesteral and Triglicerides meds

What was your reaction to the niacin. I took it and got a rash so bad I had

to take a medrol pack.

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I had to quit taking it, I was allergic.? I am allergic to all statins and they

thought if I took one with niacin in it it would be ok.? Well, I flushed very

badly and the rash took days to go away after I started the medrol pack.?

Re: [ ] Cholesteral and Triglicerides meds

What was your reaction to the niacin. I took it and got a rash so bad I had

to take a medrol pack.

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I take Tricor and Welcholl now, still struggling to get the numbers down.

Now they think I might be diabetic. I took a 3 hour glucose test last Friday.

I haven't heard anything so I am hoping no news is good news. I also now have

mild fatty liver. My internist said that my thyroid is on the very low side

of normal so she put me on a low dose of synthroid, tested for autoimmune

thyroid but negative, thank goodness. The new liver doc is testing for PBC,

that

also was last Friday. I will be glad when all the testing is done. I may get

to start lowering the imuran as I have been stable for a little over two

years. That makes me really nervous but he said I have done very well and may

probably be a good candidate to be taken off completely. Hope he is right! Has

anyone been lowered on the imuran? How did you do?

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Hi I was lowered off the Imuran completely I did really good for a while and

then they put me on meds for the tryclicerides and now my liver panels are

messing up.

I also am being tested for diabetese it runs in my family and I am a prime

candidate. I also have fatty liver but they said it was because I was fat and I

have cirrhosis and something on my pancreas.

The docs don't seemed worried about anything other than my liver numbers so it

all must be okay.

I think if you are doing good and the doc thinks you will continue to do well

then you should be okay to stop or lower the Imuran.

I hope the rest of your tests come out okay.

the WV hillbilly

Re: [ ] re:niacin

I take Tricor and Welcholl now, still struggling to get the numbers down.

Now they think I might be diabetic. I took a 3 hour glucose test last Friday.

I haven't heard anything so I am hoping no news is good news. I also now have

mild fatty liver. My internist said that my thyroid is on the very low side

of normal so she put me on a low dose of synthroid, tested for autoimmune

thyroid but negative, thank goodness. The new liver doc is testing for PBC, that

also was last Friday. I will be glad when all the testing is done. I may get

to start lowering the imuran as I have been stable for a little over two

years. That makes me really nervous but he said I have done very well and may

probably be a good candidate to be taken off completely. Hope he is right! Has

anyone been lowered on the imuran? How did you do?

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Hi All,

Niacin (or Nicotinic Acid) is not the best for liver patients. Actually

it's not the best for anyone, because of the flushing it causes.

Niacinamide, a variant, is the preferred choice, if it needs to be taken

at all. The benefits of using niacin (or niacinamide) for lowering

cholesterol has not panned out as it had been hoped it would. Most of

the doctors I dealt with in the pharmacy have stopped using it because

of the limited results. AND, the highter cholesterol readings that liver

patients have are not typical of the type that normal people have. Most

hepatologists are not concerned about moderately elevated levels, if

there is no history of heart disease.

Jeannette, PBC/AIH, pharmacist now retired and loving it!

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Hi Jeanette. I am taking the niacin and I am also taking a med called Omnipor I

think. They were worried about my tryglicerieds but when I took the first med my

tryglicerides dropped from around 400 to 128 in 3 months and now my liver

enzymes are up.

I don't understand why I am still taking meds when my numbers dropped. They

didn't tell me what my cholesteral was in the second reading but they must be

the same or dropping because they said for someone like me they were ok.

The flushing finally quit. I took an aspirin 20to30 mins before the niacinamide

and took benadryl for the itching. Now I have no trouble with it. It took 4 or 5

days but I am doing okay now.

If it doesn's work why do they keep giving it to me?

Glad you are enjoying your retirement. I hope you are having a great summer.

the WV hillbilly

[ ] Re: niacin

Hi All,

Niacin (or Nicotinic Acid) is not the best for liver patients. Actually

it's not the best for anyone, because of the flushing it causes.

Niacinamide, a variant, is the preferred choice, if it needs to be taken

at all. The benefits of using niacin (or niacinamide) for lowering

cholesterol has not panned out as it had been hoped it would. Most of

the doctors I dealt with in the pharmacy have stopped using it because

of the limited results. AND, the highter cholesterol readings that liver

patients have are not typical of the type that normal people have. Most

hepatologists are not concerned about moderately elevated levels, if

there is no history of heart disease.

Jeannette, PBC/AIH, pharmacist now retired and loving it!

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>

> Hi Bee,

>

> I have been following your program for about 5 months now. I had

> some lab work done last week, and my Lipoprotein A is elevated to

> 58, normal would be <30. According to my research, this has

nothing

> to do with diet, but has to do with genes.

>

> http://www.lipid.org/clinical/patients/1000002.php

>

> High lipoprotein (a) levels are currently hard to treat. Changes in

> a person's diet have little effect on levels and few cholesterol

> lowering drugs are good at bringing levels down. They can be

treated somewhat by giving niacin,

>

> so my question for you is, when I started taking niacin, I was on

> the 50mg, twice per day, but never had a flush, so I increaed it,

> now I have been taking 100mg, twice per day, but I have not been

> flushing again, so can I increae it again? Is this common, for a

> person to have to continue increasing the dose?

==>Yes, you can gradually increase niacin up to 1,500 mg per day

taken in divided doses.

Bee

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>

> I'm trying to find Niacin 50 mgs as it is not in my B Complex ....

the lowest dosage I can find is 250 mgs .... does anyone know if this

is too much on a daily basis? On Bee's program it says 50 mgs 2x a day

but I can't find any of 50 mgs

==>Maddy, cut the tablets into proper size pieces. That's what I have

to do too.

Bee

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> >

> > I'm trying to find Niacin 50 mgs as it is not in my B Complex ....

> the lowest dosage I can find is 250 mgs .... does anyone know if this

> is too much on a daily basis? On Bee's program it says 50 mgs 2x a day

> but I can't find any of 50 mgs

>

> ==>Maddy, cut the tablets into proper size pieces. That's what I have

> to do too.

>

> Bee

KAL sells a 50 mg. Niacin tablet. I'm in WA state and buy it at Super

Supplements - I know KAL brand is available online as well.

Anita

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> I'm trying to find Niacin 50 mgs as it is not in my B Complex ....

the lowest dosage I can find is 250 mgs .... does anyone know if this

is too much on a daily basis? On Bee's program it says 50 mgs 2x a

day but I can't find any of 50 mgs

>

>

> thanks

> Maddy

---Maddy,

I take Solgar, 100mg tablets. I have to cut them too.

Amy

>

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>

> Hi Bee,

>

> I have been reading some of the posts re Niacin, which I take as part

> of a B complex tablet, which only gives me 100mg per day. Do I need

to

> add an separate dose of Niacin to increase this? I am concerned about

> the " flushing " which has been mentioned, as I am in the early stages

of

> menopause and suffering from very unpleasant hot flushes anyway.

Would

> Niacin make them worse?

Lesley, flushes from niacin and flushes related to meno pause are two

separate things and one does not influence the other. So no, niacin

wouldn't make your hot flushes worse.

Bee

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>

> Hi. I realize Bee is busy but hopefully there's wisdom for my

concern.

>

> Recetly, I've had some awful experiences using 100mg of Niacin--

> crushed for direct deposit into my feeding tube. Initially, I'd

just

> flush, sometimes not (which wasd/is the same affect as with the

50mg)

> but now I sometimes get the sudden urge to have a (loose) bowel

> movement, feel nauseous for the day, dry heave, sweat, cramp, am

> gassy for two days, and flush badly from face to toes. I have low

> sodium and have had countless scans, x-rays over 24 years (none in

> the last 3 months) so feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard

> place--esp. since finding the old posts below. My daily rituals are

> the same so can it be so simple as using sea salt with the Niacin?

> Any advice would be great.

Hi Chris. No, it probably isn't as simple as using sea salt with the

niacin. First, determine whether the niacin is directly causing your

problem by stopping it for 3 days. If you still get those symptoms

it wasn't caused by the niacin.

However the ocean sea salt is very important for all of the minerals

it contains (over 84), along with sodium+choride which are two of the

macrominerals required daily.

Let me know if stopping niacin stops your symptoms or not.

The best, Bee

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I remember Bee saying to use a combo of Hydrogen Peroxide (3%) and water 50/50,

splash that on a band-aid, replace daily. I was bitten by a wasp Saturday, which

I always react badly to - I tried the peroxide/water/band-aid and I was amazed

that the heat and swelling went away within hours!

I got stung by yellow jacket bees last week. I have four stings that i

have had problems with since.

Ever yours, Mz ViOlet

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>

> I got stung by yellow jacket bees last week. I have four stings that

i

> have had problems with since.

> Last night I took a niacin and within an hour my bee sting areas were

> inflamed and itched like crazy..again. They had settled before taking

> the niacin. Is this usual?

+++Hi Violet. It is possible that the niacin was removing the toxins

from the bee stings.

>

> I tell-you-true, I cannot sleep what with these crazy bee stings.

> Also, what type cream can I put on the itchy skin? I used the

> cortizone stuff and that does not work. Tea Tree Oil stinks! My dog

> won't be in the same room with that. Someone mentioned witchhazel.

> I'd be obliged if someone has an ointment they can recommend to me.

> I wish real bee's would be as kind as Bee.

+++50/50 H202 and water on bandaids would help.

Bee

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>

> Hey Bee:

>

> Good news to report. I think my depression was caused from a lack

of magnesium. I had run out but as soon as I started back the

depression lifted. I have been on your diet for about 6 months. I am

seeing incredible results. So is my husband. However, I haven't

shared this diet with him becuase he would have me committed. But, he

has definitely noticed the changes.

>

> I am not sure how to take the niacin. How much do we take and how

often? Can we take too much?

+++Hi Paige. That's wonderful you discovered how important magnesium

is for depression, and that you are seeing incredible results with my

diet! Your husband is not alone. Many people " buy into " all of the

current propaganda and false information.

+++If your vitamin B complex contains niacinamide (synthetic niacin)

you buy a separate supplement of Niacin (B3). Start by taking 50 mg

niacin (B3) twice a day along with vitamin B complex (50 mg twice a

day). Some people find they do not get a " niacin flush " initially,

but after a few days they do. So I suggest you give it time. After

awhile your flushes decrease, so you can increase it, but don't

increase it until you no longer get a flush for 3-5 days.

+++It would be extremely difficult to take too much niacin. Doctors

recommend as much as 2,000 mg 3 times a day to lower cholesterol

naturally.

>

> I love you Bee. You are an angel!

+++Thanks a bunch Paige!

Love, Bee

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>

> Bee,

>

> I just purchased Source Naturals Niacin tablets 100 mg. You said to

> take 50 mg twice a day, so would it be more beneficial to chop in

half

> or take 100 mg once a day?

+++Hi . Split the tablet into 2 to take it 2 times per day. You

don't want to take 100 mg at one time when you get a niacin flush,

since the flush will be worse.

Bee

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> +++Niacin doesn't make your skin worse, even though it causes

> flushing and itching. Your skin benefits a great deal since niacin

> flushes out toxins through the skin, and also opens up all blood

> vessels, including tiny capillaries, allowing more " healing blood " to

> come to the surface. That is particularly important for candida

> since candida toxins make all of the cell membranes rigid/stiff,

> which also makes red blood cells less able to fold like they should

> in order to get into small capillaries on the surface of the skin.

>

> Bee

>

Thanks for clearing that up about the Niacin Bee, I will be sure to pick some up

and as for the article I thought it was your suggestions only because it was

called Buzzin' Bee's Daily Plan... I will be sure to check with the supplements

list instead

Thanks a bunch!

Mitch

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> Thanks for clearing that up about the Niacin Bee, I will be sure to

pick some up and as for the article I thought it was your suggestions

only because it was called Buzzin' Bee's Daily Plan... I will be sure

to check with the supplements list instead

+++Sorry about the confusion Mitch. That title was made up by Debra;

guess we need to change it.

The best, Bee

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>

> Hi Bee,

>

> I realized that the B-50 vitamins I just bought do not have the

proper

> form of Niacin that we should use. Instead, it is that synthetic,

non-

> flushing form. So, I went back to the health food store to look for

> real Niancin, but the only ones I found said " Niacin as nicotinic

> acid. " Is this the correct form?

+++Hi Kate. Yes, that Niacin is the correct one. When Nician was

first discovered, also called B3, it was named nicotinic acid. The

name had to be changed so it wouldn't be confused with nicotinic acid

in tobacco (which are the same thing). Odd, isn't it? Nicotinic

acid isn't a monster and doesn't cause a person to become addicted to

it, like the media, drug cos., medicos, governments, etc. want us to

believe! Of course we know the real reason behind attacking smoking

is so the drug companies can make more money. Now they are creating

nicotine drugs to treat the very diseases " they claimed " were caused

by smoking/nicotine, including Heart Disease, Stroke, Parkinson's,

etc. Go figure. That's the usual course of the world of medicine in

today world.

>

> Also, since the weather is cool now, my coconut oil has hardened

into a solid. I was just wondering if it is the same amount in a

tablespoon solid as it is liquid.

+++Yes, it is the same amount. To help keep it melted, put a smaller

amount in a jar and put it over your pilot light on your stove, or on

top of your fridge where it is warmer. Or just set it in a bowl of

hot water for a little bit.

Luv, Bee

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>

> Are niacin and niacinamide the same thing?

Hi -Ann. No they are not - see this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/niacin.php

Bee

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No. Niacinamide was developed by people to get rid of the flush. They

didn't know the flush is beneficial.

Use niacin, not niacinamide.

Zack

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, brie12316 wrote:

> Are niacin and niacinamide the same thing?

>

> -Ann

>

>

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>

> Hi Bee,

>

> I just bought a separate 50mg Niacin since my B-complex vitamins do

> not contain the true form of Niacin. Is it important to take the

> Niacin at the same time as the other B vitamins? I was just wondering

> if I could take it separately before bed, so I can flush when I sleep

> and not while I'm running around town.

+++Hi Kate. You can take niacin anytime during the day, and even on an

empty stomach. If your flush is too severe, just take a little less,

and gradually increase it when you flush lessens or stops at one dose.

Bee

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Hi Kate,

I'm not Bee..but I can tell you: there is no way I could sleep through

a flush! It hits me about 5-10 minutes after taking it and lasts about

15-20 minutes, with my skin staying pink up to 15 min after the heat

and " burning " feeling is gone.

I take mine with food to help " control " the flush.

Amy

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Hi Charise,

This has been discussed many times here, so I will help Bee out and

answer

They are not the same as Niacinamide is a synthetic form of B3 - it

doesnt have the flushing effect. niacinamide is not dangerous, its just

not as effective as it doesnt have the flushing effect which is

actually beneficial in clearing toxins. This is why Bee recommends that

in addition to purchasing B Complex, take " True " niacin as well.

Happy healing!

AMber

>

> Hi Bee

> I meant to ask you if niacinamide and niacin b3 are the same

thing.

> Thanks for all your help!

> Charise

>

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>

> Hello Bee.

>

> I just got another brand (Solgar) of niacin. I was so concerned on

> making sure that it did not contain soy that i neglected to see that

it

> contained 50 mg. of calcium in the form of dicalcium phosphate.

>

> Is this type of calcium able to be digested, assimilated, and

> eliminated? or is it harmful? Should I continue to take this?

+++Hi a. It isn't harmful, and you would only get about 23% of

that kind of calcium, so don't be concerned when you only take 50 mg

twice a day. If you were to increase niacin, you'd need to calculate

the amount of calcium you are already taking and lower those amounts

accordingly.

The best, Bee