Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Hi Kerry, I take 1 grain of Armour once in the morning. Much love, Pamela --- Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote: > Hi Pamela - this can be die to the way you dose your > armour as well as > overdose. How do you take it> Some of us have to > take thyroid divided > over the day. The symptoms are from too much T3 > rushing into your system > and ALSO when you suddenly run out of T3 you can get > palpitations etc. > Kerry > > Re: please help > > > Hi , > > I have the wired sensation, heart racing/pounding > and > difficulty sleeping. > > So, you think I am hyperthyroid? Taking too much > Armour? > > I am on 1 grain of Armour and still have a low basal > metabolism temp. > > Much love, > Pamela > --- Every <denisee@...> wrote: > > > BR, > > > > " Wired' would mean feeling very tense, anxious, > > edgy. > > > > You might also feel what are called paresthesias, > > prickly sensations in your > > limbs, some people call it feeling like they are > > being stuck with little > > pins, or 'pins and needles' sensation. > > > > You might also feel like your heart is racing or > > pounding, not related to > > exercise or exertion. > > > > > > It can also cause difficulty in sleeping. > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: please help > > > > > > > Gracia! > > > > > > The medicine I am taking is synthetic > > thyroxin(commercial name is > > > thyronorm in India!)What is the meaning of > feeling > > " wired " .Please > > > explain.After how many days of increased dosage > I > > will feel the normalcy? > > > > > > Reply me > > > > > > BR > > > > > >> BR I hope you will be feeling better. I don't > > know much about the med > > >> you > > >> take. Just be alert to feeling " wired " . On > > Armour thyroid the TSH > > >> should > > >> be almost zero, not sure aobut T4 meds. > > >> Gracia > > >> > > >>> Gracia! > > >>> With your guidance,I have increased my T4 > dosage > > to 75 mcg after 60 days > > >>> of treatment.I hope to increase to 100 mcg > after > > my T4,T3 ans TSH > > >>> tests.As > > >>> you have rightly pointed out I adjust my > dosage > > as per my symptoms. > > >>> > > >>> BY the way is there any chance of me going to > > Hyper.If so,what will be > > >>> my > > >>> symptoms? > > >>> > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Hi Pamela - this could be the problem then....most people divide Armour into two doses a day in order for the T3 dose to be more steady. This could be causing your symptoms. Kerry Re: please help > > > Hi , > > I have the wired sensation, heart racing/pounding > and > difficulty sleeping. > > So, you think I am hyperthyroid? Taking too much > Armour? > > I am on 1 grain of Armour and still have a low basal > metabolism temp. > > Much love, > Pamela > --- Every <denisee@...> wrote: > > > BR, > > > > " Wired' would mean feeling very tense, anxious, > > edgy. > > > > You might also feel what are called paresthesias, > > prickly sensations in your > > limbs, some people call it feeling like they are > > being stuck with little > > pins, or 'pins and needles' sensation. > > > > You might also feel like your heart is racing or > > pounding, not related to > > exercise or exertion. > > > > > > It can also cause difficulty in sleeping. > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: please help > > > > > > > Gracia! > > > > > > The medicine I am taking is synthetic > > thyroxin(commercial name is > > > thyronorm in India!)What is the meaning of > feeling > > " wired " .Please > > > explain.After how many days of increased dosage > I > > will feel the normalcy? > > > > > > Reply me > > > > > > BR > > > > > >> BR I hope you will be feeling better. I don't > > know much about the med > > >> you > > >> take. Just be alert to feeling " wired " . On > > Armour thyroid the TSH > > >> should > > >> be almost zero, not sure aobut T4 meds. > > >> Gracia > > >> > > >>> Gracia! > > >>> With your guidance,I have increased my T4 > dosage > > to 75 mcg after 60 days > > >>> of treatment.I hope to increase to 100 mcg > after > > my T4,T3 ans TSH > > >>> tests.As > > >>> you have rightly pointed out I adjust my > dosage > > as per my symptoms. > > >>> > > >>> BY the way is there any chance of me going to > > Hyper.If so,what will be > > >>> my > > >>> symptoms? > > >>> > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 high adrenal levels are adrenals burning out. She is on too low a dose of Armour which may really be stressing adrenals too. Gracia > It makes me wonder if there might be a hyper adrenal situation, that your > adrenals are overactive and that wired feeling might be due to excessive > adrenal hormones, and not directly related to your thyroid? Other than that > I don't know what else to suggest..... maybe you can look up symptoms of > overactive adrenal function and see what else might correlate to how you are > feeling? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Pamela, this sounds like what I went through when I was first started on medication. I would suggest you go with splitting the dose to even out the amount you are getting during the day. I would also suggest you look into low adrenal function. I had been so low on thyroid for so long that the little bit of T4 I began taking(half a 25 mcg tablet) was taxing the adrenals too much and causing the same symtpoms you have listed. I was not converting the T4 readily either. I have researched and added nutrients to help with conversion, and use a tiny amount of hydrocortisone from the first aid section, which has worked wonders for me. I have done most of it on my own. My TSH is now going up, I have healed the adrenals enough to use more thyroid hormone. I am now on 37 mcg after a year and a half. I have Hashi's type and have probably had it all my life based on symptom recall. I was given the same " reasons " you were when it happened by the dr. Too much caffiene, stress, yadda, yadda. I also was doing all I could to live a healthy lifestyle but he didn't ask, after all I have the thick midsection and am overweight so obviously a " couch potato " . Hoping you find what works for you. Joan > Hi , > > I have the wired sensation, heart racing/pounding and > difficulty sleeping. > > So, you think I am hyperthyroid? Taking too much > Armour? > > I am on 1 grain of Armour and still have a low basal > metabolism temp. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Hi Joan, What nutrients to you take to help with conversion. When you say you use a tiny amount of hydrocortisone from the first aid section, are you talking about something like Cortaid cream that you use topically? How much do you use to help your adrenals? Thanks and Much Love, Pamela --- hendersonteacher <hendersonteacher@...> wrote: > Pamela, this sounds like what I went through when I > was first > started on medication. I would suggest you go with > splitting the > dose to even out the amount you are getting during > the day. I would > also suggest you look into low adrenal function. I > had been so low > on thyroid for so long that the little bit of T4 I > began taking(half > a 25 mcg tablet) was taxing the adrenals too much > and causing the > same symtpoms you have listed. I was not converting > the T4 readily > either. I have researched and added nutrients to > help with > conversion, and use a tiny amount of hydrocortisone > from the first > aid section, which has worked wonders for me. I > have done most of > it on my own. My TSH is now going up, I have healed > the adrenals > enough to use more thyroid hormone. I am now on 37 > mcg after a year > and a half. I have Hashi's type and have probably > had it all my > life based on symptom recall. > > I was given the same " reasons " you were when it > happened by the dr. > Too much caffiene, stress, yadda, yadda. I also was > doing all I > could to live a healthy lifestyle but he didn't ask, > after all I > have the thick midsection and am overweight so > obviously a " couch > potato " . Hoping you find what works for you. Joan > > > > Hi , > > > > I have the wired sensation, heart racing/pounding > and > > difficulty sleeping. > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Hi Gracia, The extremely frustrating thing is that I'm told that not enough thyroid hormaone is taxing to the adrenals. AND that the adrenal health must be addressed before upping thyroid hormone. So, I don't want to up my thyroid without healing my adrenals. But not enough thyroid hormone is taxing my adrenals. And it appears the only help for the adrenals is hydrocortisone which several members of this list give caution about taking. Anybody have a gun??? IT A MADDENING CATCH 22!!! Much Love, Pamela FRUSTRATED IN CA -- Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > high adrenal levels are adrenals burning out. She > is on too low a dose of > Armour which may really be stressing adrenals too. > Gracia > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Hi Pamela - I would just like to add my voive to Gracia's - I took cotef for nine months and have no side effects - short or long term. I know a lot of people are scared of it but many prominant Doctor?Authors recommend it as well - It is a delicate dance healing both glands - I have had several small " adrenal crises " as i upped my dose of Armour but each time when the dose increase settles it would clear and adding Cortef did seem to give me a boost a the time - although long term it I wouldn't say it made much difference. However when i first began on cortef I felt so good I decided to go back to Uni full time - how dumb was that????? I became very stressed within about six weeks and I think the cortef was just keeping me from total meltdown - so when i say it didn't make me feekl great long term it is possibly because my body was using it for survival instead of healing. I have learned that lesson big time! I think the cure for doubt is reading enough of people you trust (authors) to give you the big picture the pros and cons - then you can make the right decision. I researched hundreds of hours before i decided to self treat - and I was desperate enough to give it a try - and I'm so glad I did. Kerry Re: please help Hi Gracia, The extremely frustrating thing is that I'm told that not enough thyroid hormaone is taxing to the adrenals. AND that the adrenal health must be addressed before upping thyroid hormone. So, I don't want to up my thyroid without healing my adrenals. But not enough thyroid hormone is taxing my adrenals. And it appears the only help for the adrenals is hydrocortisone which several members of this list give caution about taking. Anybody have a gun??? IT A MADDENING CATCH 22!!! Much Love, Pamela FRUSTRATED IN CA -- Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > high adrenal levels are adrenals burning out. She > is on too low a dose of > Armour which may really be stressing adrenals too. > Gracia > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 How are you guys taking your temperature? I get three very different readings from the 3 ways I know how - under the tongue, under armpit, rectally. --- Pamela <southallp@...> wrote: > Hi , > > That makes sense to me too, that the basal meatbolic > rate is the truest guideline. > > I drink NO caffienated beverages. Lately, I can't > even eat chocolate without feeling a VERY > uncomfortable kind of wiredness that is scary. > > I take 800 mg of mag a day and eat about 5 servings > of > veggies at day, so I don't think it is a lack of > magnesium or potassium. And I eat NO processed > foods, > so my problem isn't eating too much processed foods. > And I am under no stress. > > I'm at my wits end trying to get 8 hours of sleep a > night (I'm lucky to get 4 hours) which gives me even > more anxiety. > > So, where is this anxiety coming from? > > Much love, > Pamela > --- Every <denisee@...> wrote: > > > Hi Pamela, > > > > I wish I had an answer for you... I honestly don't > > know. My instinct is to > > say that I think the basal metabolic > > rate/temperature is the truest > > guideline. I also think that your dose of Armour > > isn't so high, I would > > not jump to the conclusion that it is too much for > > you. > > > > Another symptom of being hyperthyroid is a feeling > > of pins and needles > > sensation in your limbs, called paresthesias... it > > is not really a feeling > > of pain, but more like weird prickly sensations. > > > > I think sleeping difficulties can also be > associated > > with low thyroid. > > > > Now, do you take in a lot of caffeine - coffee or > > other caffeinated > > beverages, like colas.... are you under any > > particular stress right now? > > These can cause palpitations, not related to the > > thyroid function. > > > > Also do you take any supplements like magnesium or > > potassium? I've read > > reports where up to 75% of people are thought to > be > > deficient in magnesium, > > because of our diets so reliant on processed foods > - > > magnesium is one of the > > minerals lost in processing. Many of the reasons > > for palpitations can be > > related to nutrients lacking in our diet. It is > > possible that the > > palpitations are related to that. > > > > > > > > > > Re: please help > > >> > > >> > > >> > Gracia! > > >> > > > >> > The medicine I am taking is synthetic > > >> thyroxin(commercial name is > > >> > thyronorm in India!)What is the meaning of > > feeling > > >> " wired " .Please > > >> > explain.After how many days of increased > dosage > > I > > >> will feel the normalcy? > > >> > > > >> > Reply me > > >> > > > >> > BR > > >> > > > >> >> BR I hope you will be feeling better. I > > don't > > >> know much about the med > > >> >> you > > >> >> take. Just be alert to feeling " wired " . > On > > >> Armour thyroid the TSH > > >> >> should > > >> >> be almost zero, not sure aobut T4 meds. > > >> >> Gracia > > >> >> > > >> >>> Gracia! > > >> >>> With your guidance,I have increased my T4 > > dosage > > >> to 75 mcg after 60 days > > >> >>> of treatment.I hope to increase to 100 mcg > > after > > >> my T4,T3 ans TSH > > >> >>> tests.As > > >> >>> you have rightly pointed out I adjust my > > dosage > > >> as per my symptoms. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> BY the way is there any chance of me going > to > > >> Hyper.If so,what will be > > >> >>> my > > >> >>> symptoms? > > >> >>> > > >> > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2005 Report Share Posted May 28, 2005 yeah. I think it is helpful to study sites like http://www.drrind.com to determine if you are more adrenal or thyroid. I always had a rapid pulse and low/high level anxiety. I found the right dose of Armour thyroid, then later added the cortef, but a smart doc would have put me on cortef first. The first few months on Armour were hell--chronic fatigue, severe depression, gall bladder attacks----but I could tell my cells were very happy with thyroid meds too. I think h/c is completely safe to use (below 30 mg/day), cheap and wonderful. Gracia > > Hi Gracia, > > The extremely frustrating thing is that I'm told that > not enough thyroid hormaone is taxing to the adrenals. > AND that the adrenal health must be addressed before > upping thyroid hormone. So, I don't want to up my > thyroid without healing my adrenals. But not enough > thyroid hormone is taxing my adrenals. And it appears > the only help for the adrenals is hydrocortisone which > several members of this list give caution about > taking. Anybody have a gun??? IT A MADDENING CATCH > 22!!! > > Much Love, > Pamela > FRUSTRATED IN CA > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Hi Mike - I take mine under the tongue and you have to leave it for several minutes electronic thermometers are not always accurate - mine was out by about .4 of a degree. - and I take it first thing in the morning and also sometime after 11am to see if I make 98.6 through the day - it will never be 98.6 in the early morning. Kerry Re: please help How are you guys taking your temperature? I get three very different readings from the 3 ways I know how - under the tongue, under armpit, rectally. --- Pamela <southallp@...> wrote: > Hi , > > That makes sense to me too, that the basal meatbolic > rate is the truest guideline. > > I drink NO caffienated beverages. Lately, I can't > even eat chocolate without feeling a VERY > uncomfortable kind of wiredness that is scary. > > I take 800 mg of mag a day and eat about 5 servings > of > veggies at day, so I don't think it is a lack of > magnesium or potassium. And I eat NO processed > foods, > so my problem isn't eating too much processed foods. > And I am under no stress. > > I'm at my wits end trying to get 8 hours of sleep a > night (I'm lucky to get 4 hours) which gives me even > more anxiety. > > So, where is this anxiety coming from? > > Much love, > Pamela > --- Every <denisee@...> wrote: > > > Hi Pamela, > > > > I wish I had an answer for you... I honestly don't > > know. My instinct is to > > say that I think the basal metabolic > > rate/temperature is the truest > > guideline. I also think that your dose of Armour > > isn't so high, I would > > not jump to the conclusion that it is too much for > > you. > > > > Another symptom of being hyperthyroid is a feeling > > of pins and needles > > sensation in your limbs, called paresthesias... it > > is not really a feeling > > of pain, but more like weird prickly sensations. > > > > I think sleeping difficulties can also be > associated > > with low thyroid. > > > > Now, do you take in a lot of caffeine - coffee or > > other caffeinated > > beverages, like colas.... are you under any > > particular stress right now? > > These can cause palpitations, not related to the > > thyroid function. > > > > Also do you take any supplements like magnesium or > > potassium? I've read > > reports where up to 75% of people are thought to > be > > deficient in magnesium, > > because of our diets so reliant on processed foods > - > > magnesium is one of the > > minerals lost in processing. Many of the reasons > > for palpitations can be > > related to nutrients lacking in our diet. It is > > possible that the > > palpitations are related to that. > > > > > > > > > > Re: please help > > >> > > >> > > >> > Gracia! > > >> > > > >> > The medicine I am taking is synthetic > > >> thyroxin(commercial name is > > >> > thyronorm in India!)What is the meaning of > > feeling > > >> " wired " .Please > > >> > explain.After how many days of increased > dosage > > I > > >> will feel the normalcy? > > >> > > > >> > Reply me > > >> > > > >> > BR > > >> > > > >> >> BR I hope you will be feeling better. I > > don't > > >> know much about the med > > >> >> you > > >> >> take. Just be alert to feeling " wired " . > On > > >> Armour thyroid the TSH > > >> >> should > > >> >> be almost zero, not sure aobut T4 meds. > > >> >> Gracia > > >> >> > > >> >>> Gracia! > > >> >>> With your guidance,I have increased my T4 > > dosage > > >> to 75 mcg after 60 days > > >> >>> of treatment.I hope to increase to 100 mcg > > after > > >> my T4,T3 ans TSH > > >> >>> tests.As > > >> >>> you have rightly pointed out I adjust my > > dosage > > >> as per my symptoms. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> BY the way is there any chance of me going > to > > >> Hyper.If so,what will be > > >> >>> my > > >> >>> symptoms? > > >> >>> > > >> > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 How did you test the accuracy of your digital one? --- Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote: > Hi Mike - I take mine under the tongue and you have > to leave it for > several minutes electronic thermometers are not > always accurate - mine > was out by about .4 of a degree. - and I take it > first thing in the > morning and also sometime after 11am to see if I > make 98.6 through the > day - it will never be 98.6 in the early morning. > Kerry > > Re: please help > > > How are you guys taking your temperature? I get > three > very different readings from the 3 ways I know how - > under the tongue, under armpit, rectally. > > --- Pamela <southallp@...> wrote: > > > Hi , > > > > That makes sense to me too, that the basal > meatbolic > > rate is the truest guideline. > > > > I drink NO caffienated beverages. Lately, I can't > > even eat chocolate without feeling a VERY > > uncomfortable kind of wiredness that is scary. > > > > I take 800 mg of mag a day and eat about 5 > servings > > of > > veggies at day, so I don't think it is a lack of > > magnesium or potassium. And I eat NO processed > > foods, > > so my problem isn't eating too much processed > foods. > > And I am under no stress. > > > > I'm at my wits end trying to get 8 hours of sleep > a > > night (I'm lucky to get 4 hours) which gives me > even > > more anxiety. > > > > So, where is this anxiety coming from? > > > > Much love, > > Pamela > > --- Every <denisee@...> wrote: > > > > > Hi Pamela, > > > > > > I wish I had an answer for you... I honestly > don't > > > know. My instinct is to > > > say that I think the basal metabolic > > > rate/temperature is the truest > > > guideline. I also think that your dose of > Armour > > > isn't so high, I would > > > not jump to the conclusion that it is too much > for > > > you. > > > > > > Another symptom of being hyperthyroid is a > feeling > > > of pins and needles > > > sensation in your limbs, called paresthesias... > it > > > is not really a feeling > > > of pain, but more like weird prickly sensations. > > > > > > I think sleeping difficulties can also be > > associated > > > with low thyroid. > > > > > > Now, do you take in a lot of caffeine - coffee > or > > > other caffeinated > > > beverages, like colas.... are you under any > > > particular stress right now? > > > These can cause palpitations, not related to the > > > thyroid function. > > > > > > Also do you take any supplements like magnesium > or > > > potassium? I've read > > > reports where up to 75% of people are thought to > > be > > > deficient in magnesium, > > > because of our diets so reliant on processed > foods > > - > > > magnesium is one of the > > > minerals lost in processing. Many of the > reasons > > > for palpitations can be > > > related to nutrients lacking in our diet. It is > > > possible that the > > > palpitations are related to that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: please help > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Gracia! > > > >> > > > > >> > The medicine I am taking is synthetic > > > >> thyroxin(commercial name is > > > >> > thyronorm in India!)What is the meaning of > > > feeling > > > >> " wired " .Please > > > >> > explain.After how many days of increased > > dosage > > > I > > > >> will feel the normalcy? > > > >> > > > > >> > Reply me > > > >> > > > > >> > BR > > > >> > > > > >> >> BR I hope you will be feeling better. I > > > don't > > > >> know much about the med > > > >> >> you > > > >> >> take. Just be alert to feeling " wired " . > > On > > > >> Armour thyroid the TSH > > > >> >> should > > > >> >> be almost zero, not sure aobut T4 meds. > > > >> >> Gracia > > > >> >> > > > >> >>> Gracia! > > > >> >>> With your guidance,I have increased my T4 > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 In a message dated 5/30/05 12:11:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kerry@... writes: yes I am taking compounded T3 - I did the 's protocol three times - I did it carefully and exactly as he explains it. It is a therapy in and of istelf and quite different than just taking T3. However my duaghter who has Hashis, Kerry, Did you and your daughter do this on your own or did you go to a 's doctor? I have Hashi's also. My endo is putting me on the T3. It's going to be straight T3 and I'm not really sure yet how he's work it out yet. He said he has a couple of patients that are on it and are doing quite well with it. I don't think he follows the protocol though. I also was on Armour and although I felt well on it I had a reaction to it so I switched back to thyrolar for the time being. Which compounding lab did you get it from Medaus or Triangle? Thanks for the info. Helena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 In a message dated 5/30/05 12:11:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kerry@... writes: yes I am taking compounded T3 - I did the 's protocol three times - I did it carefully and exactly as he explains it. It is a therapy in and of istelf and quite different than just taking T3. However my duaghter who has Hashis, Kerry, Did you and your daughter do this on your own or did you go to a 's doctor? I have Hashi's also. My endo is putting me on the T3. It's going to be straight T3 and I'm not really sure yet how he's work it out yet. He said he has a couple of patients that are on it and are doing quite well with it. I don't think he follows the protocol though. I also was on Armour and although I felt well on it I had a reaction to it so I switched back to thyrolar for the time being. Which compounding lab did you get it from Medaus or Triangle? Thanks for the info. Helena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 compared it to two mercury ones. I finally bought a liquid metal thermometer from Dr 's site as I kept breaking the mercury ones and I was worried I might contaminate myself. I have had this one for over a year now and it's still in one piece kerry Re: please help > > > How are you guys taking your temperature? I get > three > very different readings from the 3 ways I know how - > under the tongue, under armpit, rectally. > > --- Pamela <southallp@...> wrote: > > > Hi , > > > > That makes sense to me too, that the basal > meatbolic > > rate is the truest guideline. > > > > I drink NO caffienated beverages. Lately, I can't > > even eat chocolate without feeling a VERY > > uncomfortable kind of wiredness that is scary. > > > > I take 800 mg of mag a day and eat about 5 > servings > > of > > veggies at day, so I don't think it is a lack of > > magnesium or potassium. And I eat NO processed > > foods, > > so my problem isn't eating too much processed > foods. > > And I am under no stress. > > > > I'm at my wits end trying to get 8 hours of sleep > a > > night (I'm lucky to get 4 hours) which gives me > even > > more anxiety. > > > > So, where is this anxiety coming from? > > > > Much love, > > Pamela > > --- Every <denisee@...> wrote: > > > > > Hi Pamela, > > > > > > I wish I had an answer for you... I honestly > don't > > > know. My instinct is to > > > say that I think the basal metabolic > > > rate/temperature is the truest > > > guideline. I also think that your dose of > Armour > > > isn't so high, I would > > > not jump to the conclusion that it is too much > for > > > you. > > > > > > Another symptom of being hyperthyroid is a > feeling > > > of pins and needles > > > sensation in your limbs, called paresthesias... > it > > > is not really a feeling > > > of pain, but more like weird prickly sensations. > > > > > > I think sleeping difficulties can also be > > associated > > > with low thyroid. > > > > > > Now, do you take in a lot of caffeine - coffee > or > > > other caffeinated > > > beverages, like colas.... are you under any > > > particular stress right now? > > > These can cause palpitations, not related to the > > > thyroid function. > > > > > > Also do you take any supplements like magnesium > or > > > potassium? I've read > > > reports where up to 75% of people are thought to > > be > > > deficient in magnesium, > > > because of our diets so reliant on processed > foods > > - > > > magnesium is one of the > > > minerals lost in processing. Many of the > reasons > > > for palpitations can be > > > related to nutrients lacking in our diet. It is > > > possible that the > > > palpitations are related to that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: please help > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Gracia! > > > >> > > > > >> > The medicine I am taking is synthetic > > > >> thyroxin(commercial name is > > > >> > thyronorm in India!)What is the meaning of > > > feeling > > > >> " wired " .Please > > > >> > explain.After how many days of increased > > dosage > > > I > > > >> will feel the normalcy? > > > >> > > > > >> > Reply me > > > >> > > > > >> > BR > > > >> > > > > >> >> BR I hope you will be feeling better. I > > > don't > > > >> know much about the med > > > >> >> you > > > >> >> take. Just be alert to feeling " wired " . > > On > > > >> Armour thyroid the TSH > > > >> >> should > > > >> >> be almost zero, not sure aobut T4 meds. > > > >> >> Gracia > > > >> >> > > > >> >>> Gracia! > > > >> >>> With your guidance,I have increased my T4 > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Thank you - just ordered one. Do you take your temperature under the tongue as well? --- Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote: > compared it to two mercury ones. I finally bought a > liquid metal > thermometer from Dr 's site as I kept breaking > the mercury ones > and I was worried I might contaminate myself. I have > had this one for > over a year now and it's still in one piece > kerry > > Re: please help > > > > > > How are you guys taking your temperature? I get > > three > > very different readings from the 3 ways I know how > - > > under the tongue, under armpit, rectally. > > > > --- Pamela <southallp@...> wrote: > > > > > Hi , > > > > > > That makes sense to me too, that the basal > > meatbolic > > > rate is the truest guideline. > > > > > > I drink NO caffienated beverages. Lately, I > can't > > > even eat chocolate without feeling a VERY > > > uncomfortable kind of wiredness that is scary. > > > > > > I take 800 mg of mag a day and eat about 5 > > servings > > > of > > > veggies at day, so I don't think it is a lack of > > > magnesium or potassium. And I eat NO processed > > > foods, > > > so my problem isn't eating too much processed > > foods. > > > And I am under no stress. > > > > > > I'm at my wits end trying to get 8 hours of > sleep > > a > > > night (I'm lucky to get 4 hours) which gives me > > even > > > more anxiety. > > > > > > So, where is this anxiety coming from? > > > > > > Much love, > > > Pamela > > > --- Every <denisee@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Pamela, > > > > > > > > I wish I had an answer for you... I honestly > > don't > > > > know. My instinct is to > > > > say that I think the basal metabolic > > > > rate/temperature is the truest > > > > guideline. I also think that your dose of > > Armour > > > > isn't so high, I would > > > > not jump to the conclusion that it is too much > > for > > > > you. > > > > > > > > Another symptom of being hyperthyroid is a > > feeling > > > > of pins and needles > > > > sensation in your limbs, called > paresthesias... > > it > > > > is not really a feeling > > > > of pain, but more like weird prickly > sensations. > > > > > > > > I think sleeping difficulties can also be > > > associated > > > > with low thyroid. > > > > > > > > Now, do you take in a lot of caffeine - coffee > > or > > > > other caffeinated > > > > beverages, like colas.... are you under any > > > > particular stress right now? > > > > These can cause palpitations, not related to > the > > > > thyroid function. > > > > > > > > Also do you take any supplements like > magnesium > > or > > > > potassium? I've read > > > > reports where up to 75% of people are thought > to > > > be > > > > deficient in magnesium, > > > > because of our diets so reliant on processed > > foods > > > - > > > > magnesium is one of the > > > > minerals lost in processing. Many of the > > reasons > > > > for palpitations can be > > > > related to nutrients lacking in our diet. It > is > > > > possible that the > > > > palpitations are related to that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: please help > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi , > > > > > > > > > > I have the wired sensation, heart > > > racing/pounding > > > > and > > > > > difficulty sleeping. > > > > > > > > > > So, you think I am hyperthyroid? Taking too > > > much > > > > > Armour? > > > > > > > > > > I am on 1 grain of Armour and still have a > low > > > > basal > > > > > metabolism temp. > > > > > > > > > > Much love, > > > > > Pamela > > > > > --- Every <denisee@...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> BR, > > > > >> > > > > >> " Wired' would mean feeling very tense, > > anxious, > > > > >> edgy. > > > > >> > > > > >> You might also feel what are called > > > paresthesias, > > > > >> prickly sensations in your > > > > >> limbs, some people call it feeling like > they > > > are > > > > >> being stuck with little > > > > >> pins, or 'pins and needles' sensation. > > > > >> > > > > >> You might also feel like your heart is > racing > > > or > > > > >> pounding, not related to > > > > >> exercise or exertion. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> It can also cause difficulty in sleeping. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 yes - I don't think it matters how you take it - as long as you kow the basal temp for that part - it varies from tongue to armpit. But the main thing is to watch for changes. When i first started my temp was very low now I hit normal most days. Dr 's method is very good tho complex because it gets you really in the frame of observation. You can't be taking your temp several times a day and fail to notice signs in your body. instructions are on his website somewhere - or in the download. Kerry RE: please help Thank you - just ordered one. Do you take your temperature under the tongue as well? --- Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote: > compared it to two mercury ones. I finally bought a > liquid metal > thermometer from Dr 's site as I kept breaking > the mercury ones > and I was worried I might contaminate myself. I have > had this one for > over a year now and it's still in one piece > kerry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Hi Helena, yes I am taking compounded T3 - I did the 's protocol three times - I did it carefully and exactly as he explains it. It is a therapy in and of istelf and quite different than just taking T3. However my duaghter who has Hashis, just did the following method: she started at 10mcg twice a day and then increased her dose every three days until she had reached a dose where her temp stabilised - I think that dose was about 50mcg twice a day then she stayed there until she felt her body was getting too much t3 and slowly weaned down to a maintenance dose of t3 plus 50mcg of t4 which she added when the T3 was stable. She did very well on this method and is feeling great. For me I now take a combo of T4 and T3 in the ratio of about 1:4 roughly. I tried all kinds of meds including Armour and although Armour worked well for me the synthetic combo works just a bit better, So I stick with that for now anyway. kerry Please help Dr 's method is very good tho complex because it gets you really in the frame of observation. You can't be taking your temp several times a day and fail to notice signs in your body. instructions are on his website somewhere - or in the download Kerry, Are you the one who is on compounded timed release T3? I recall a post where someone said they were on it and thought I saved it. The reason I ask is you seem to be up on 's temperature syndrome. I went to his site and saw the info on low basal temperature a while ago and started checking mine as I was always cold. Sure enough I registering at 95.6 and sometimes 97. Lately it has gone up sometimes to 98 although this morning I was at 96.7. My endo is going to put me on compounded T3 and I was wondering if it's you how are you making out with it? Helena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Helena, we are in Australia and there are no 's docs close and my duaghter lives in another city - we both did it by ourselves under he loose supervision of a family doctor - he prescribed and we did the research. I got my first lot of T3 from the lab Dr recommends in Alabama (I think) and having tried others since, it is definitely better compounded. Re: Please help In a message dated 5/30/05 12:11:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kerry@... writes: yes I am taking compounded T3 - I did the 's protocol three times - I did it carefully and exactly as he explains it. It is a therapy in and of istelf and quite different than just taking T3. However my duaghter who has Hashis, Kerry, Did you and your daughter do this on your own or did you go to a 's doctor? I have Hashi's also. My endo is putting me on the T3. It's going to be straight T3 and I'm not really sure yet how he's work it out yet. He said he has a couple of patients that are on it and are doing quite well with it. I don't think he follows the protocol though. I also was on Armour and although I felt well on it I had a reaction to it so I switched back to thyrolar for the time being. Which compounding lab did you get it from Medaus or Triangle? Thanks for the info. Helena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Hi, I think the position of addressing the adrenals before addressing the thyroid (which makes sense to me as well) may explain why we feel so lousy for a while once we start our thyroid meds and our bodies adjust. Many docs do not believe in doing anything about the adrenals I believe, borne out of the same fear as treating the thyroid unless of course it has been proven there is a medical need to do so. I read 'The Great Thyroid Scandal' - and how to avoid it by an excellent doctor by reputation from hundreds of satisfied patients; and he is Durrant Peatfield in the U.K. I was treated by a fellow contemporary of his, Dr Skinner. This man literally saved my life. Yet both docs have in the past been hounded, or their ability to treat has been curtailed by the GMC denouncing them as quacks because they actually get people well! I did not get my adrenals 'fixed' but I did get well, so I figure maybe they were not quite 'shot' that they needed addressing. Besides, the stresses I had at work and in my private life abated but it took a few months. I was just glad to stop sleeping for 10-12 hours after a day of work five days a week, the constant migraines and breathlessness etc. Like many treatments, some docs swear by them, some simply swear at them; and feel comfortable leaving people under treated, out of fear. Val Re: please help > Hi Gracia, > > The extremely frustrating thing is that I'm told that > not enough thyroid hormaone is taxing to the adrenals. > AND that the adrenal health must be addressed before > upping thyroid hormone. So, I don't want to up my > thyroid without healing my adrenals. But not enough > thyroid hormone is taxing my adrenals. And it appears > the only help for the adrenals is hydrocortisone which > several members of this list give caution about > taking. Anybody have a gun??? IT A MADDENING CATCH > 22!!! > > Much Love, > Pamela > FRUSTRATED IN CA > > -- Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > > > high adrenal levels are adrenals burning out. She > > is on too low a dose of > > Armour which may really be stressing adrenals too. > > Gracia > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 In a message dated 5/30/05 7:42:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kerry@... writes: My doc would have prescribed them for me but to get them out here is expensive - your dollar s are expensive. LOL Kerry, tell me about it. The expenses for all my thyroid work is going to be out of pocket for me. My current endo is not on my insurance plan nor will my insurance pay for the T3. My husband and I are planning to relocate to Florida within the next few years and one of the good things about that is there are quite a few doctors in that state that use 's protocol. That won't be too bad though as the living expenses down there are quite a bit lower than New York. Heck anywhere is quite a bit lower than New York except California. Helena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 I just started reading Dr 's site as well and this morning took my temp, it registered at 95.2 and at 10am at 97.3 and at 2pm 97.4 It is facinating observing the changes that are taking place in my body temperature. I never paid attention to it before. I'm seeing a new doc on friday who is hypo friendly. The topic of increasing my Armour from 1.5 grains daily to 2 grains will be brought up, as well as adrenal support. Today was the first day that I'm breaking up my Armour into 4 portions. My tablets are 1.5 grains (90mg). At 6am I took 1/2, 9am 1/4, 12pm 1/4, 3pm 1/4. In effect, I am having T3 throughout the day along with a net increase of 22.5 mg. I have noticed an increase in energy. Getting more done around the house. I just ordered a watch from Timex that has ample amounts of daily alarms to remind me to take the meds on that routine along with other supplements. It can be programed via the computer and downloaded into the watch via a USB cable. NEAT! BTW, there was someone else on here that was looking for HypoT friendly docs around the Nashville, TN area not too long ago. If you still are, let me know. --- HelenaBB41@... wrote: > Dr 's method is very good tho complex because > it gets you really > in the frame of observation. You can't be taking > your temp several times > a day and fail to notice signs in your body. > instructions are on his > website somewhere - or in the download > > > Kerry, > > Are you the one who is on compounded timed release > T3? I recall a post where > someone said they were on it and thought I saved it. > The reason I ask is you > seem to be up on 's temperature syndrome. I > went to his site and saw > the info on low basal temperature a while ago and > started checking mine as I was > always cold. Sure enough I registering at 95.6 and > sometimes 97. Lately it > has gone up sometimes to 98 although this morning I > was at 96.7. My endo is > going to put me on compounded T3 and I was wondering > if it's you how are you > making out with it? > > Helena > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Helena. I have not used the herbals personally but a lady on another list whom I trust has used them and has had very good results. My doc would have prescribed them for me but to get them out here is expensive - your dollar s are expensive. Kerry Re: Please help Kerry, I live on Long Island in New York and I can't find a doctor close that prescribes to 's tenets. I'd have to travel about 80 miles or so. Another question, do you use any of the 's natropathic herbs on his list, such as the thyrocare and adaptogen or does your doctor get you the ones he recommends but has to be prescribed by a physician? For compounded T3 my endo uses Medaus that's the one is Alabama. Helena Helena, we are in Australia and there are no 's docs close and my duaghter lives in another city - we both did it by ourselves under he loose supervision of a family doctor - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Mike, You wrote: > > ... It is facinating observing the changes that are taking > place in my body temperature. I never paid attention > to it before. ... The most common circadian rhythm in body temperature reaches a peak around 10:00 a.m., as you noticed. There is a postprandial dip in the early afternoon, followed by a local peak (lower than 10:00 a.m.) at around 3:00 p.m. Then follows a gradual decline to the minimum at around 3:00 or 4:00 a.m. Studies have shown that these correlate well with the sensation of " wakefulness. " The mid-afternoon peak corresponds to the best time of day to learn new material in school. The main peak at 10:00 a.m. is the best time to take a test. This is the pattern for " larks. " " Night owls " have a phase-shifted pattern, basically with all the peaks and valleys delayed by a few hours to later in the day. Their mid-afternoon peak occurs in the evening, creating the illusion of highest productivity late at night. They are correspondingly useless in the morning before about noon. Many other physiological processes are tied to the same cycle. The normal condition is for all of the cycles to be " entrained. " Jet lag and shift work tend to detach some of the cycles, which can be very unhealthy and can take a long time to fix. Blood potassium, for example, can take up to two weeks to get back in phase once disturbed. The fastest way to reset your clock is to look at the Sun as close to sunrise as possible several days in a row and keep regular hours. Teenagers tend to be owls. Many turn into larks when they become parents. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Hi Pamela.. Did this just suddenly come on? is it an all day thing, or just at bedtime? I agree that your Armour dose is pretty low... have you changed or incorporated anything new into your diet lately? christina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 I experience all of those. In the past it was even worse. I would be driving and the world would " flip over " . Also, I would be concentrating on a sign or something and forget to look forward. Sometimes when I move my eyes or head the world kind of " catches up " and then there is tunnel vision. When it passes I notice it the most because it is like someone turned on the lights and I notice everthing around me. The dizziness is fun because I never know when it is going to hit but it is usually accompanied by getting really heavy and hard to move or get up out of a chair. If I am riding in a car it is kind of like being in a small airplane or an ammusment ride. I also know what you mean about no doctor or insurance. I just lost both. Now that I think of it that is not much in answers but at least you know you are not alone. Since I have just lost everything and not on any disability insurance right now I have found a free clinic that is looking in to getting at least some of my medication back. Maybe someone else will have some ideas about getting some help. Sorry. I may have some more answers in my story on LymeBlog.com. I put it all there in my blog as I can remember things (that is one of my biggest problems now, concentrating and remembering.) Don't give up and keep asking questions. Mac Dokkenette <BURNING_LIKE_A_FLAME@...> wrote: --------------------------------- Hi, I have no insurance and no doctor at the moment so thought maybe someone here can help me. I am really freaking out. My problem of late is, my head. I am experiencing lots of dizziness, motion sickness, (just moving my eyes too quick makes me sick and dizzy) My head feels as if it would after being struck really hard, not a headache but that swooshy, swimmy, throbbing feeling. Really hard too describe and it goes from the front at times to the back of my head. I have also experienced muscle spasms on the right side of my head above my ear and some facial numbness. Also my head is becoming really sensitive to touch. Has anyone else experienced any of these? Any suggestions? Any help would be so appericated! dokkenette www.dokken.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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