Please Help

[Guest guest]

dear ali:

in the book...healing options, a report on graves disease treatments by kate

flax , she recommends Anne Marie Colbins " Food and Healing: How what you

eat determines your health, your well-being, and the quality of your life.

this might help you. I have also heard that the acupuncturist?chinese

medicine person can also recommend specific foods that can help you with your

particular set of circumstances. Different things work for different people.

I have graves disease, I have cut out coffee, and all caffeinated beverages,

I think that has helped. I also think that foods like broccoli, cauliflour,

brussel sprouts, and I think spinach.......all supposedly slow down the

thyroid. But in general I think it is important to start implementing a

whole foods diet with a little food from all of the different categories.

Make sure you are getting enuf protein and has said that you need a

little more fats also when you are hyper. There are so many things that

you could be doing to change your diet, just remember...read read read. The

more you know the better off you will be. Hope I have helped a little,

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/3/1999 5:00:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,

parad@... writes:

<<

Hi

I have posted here before asking for some advice on diet.Titled Diet

help

for graves,I have had no response and I am loosing hope. I would really

like someone to help me with a few pointers as you guys have obviously

tried many many things. >>

There are so many different and conflicting ideas.

I don't know. But I have some ideas.

Try to buy locally grown food. Vegetables, fruit, beef, chicken..

everything.

The idea is to help your immune system be set for the environment you live

in....

You don't need your immune system to be ready to live in California or

Florida if your not there.

There is a theory that the increase in autoimmune diseases is due in part to

food brought in from all over.

The food you eat helps tell your immune system what to tolerate.

You need to tolerate the environment your are in.

I try to avoid vegetable oil. I think it is better to use old fashioned lard.

Lard is hard to find these days.

It is difficult not to be on a low fat diet these days.

I try to avoid beef that leaves water in the pan as you cook it.

I suspect that meat you can fry is very good meat.

20-30 years ago you didn't get a pan of water out of the meat when you cooked

it.

I like the " Zone Diet " by Barry Sears. It's about always eating protein and

fat along with carbohydrates.

I think a high carbohydrate, low fat diet is NOT for people with

hyperthyroidism. It is very difficult to get everything you need on a

vegetarian diet. Many people dissagree with me. And I am torn between ideas

myself.

Ann

[Guest guest]

<

> Hi

> I have posted here before asking for some advice on diet.Titled Diet

> help

> for graves,I have had no response and I am loosing hope. I would really

> like someone to help me with a few pointers as you guys have obviously

> tried many many things. >>

>

After deciding not to have RAI, surgery or take drugs for Graves'

hyperthyroidism, I went on a macrobiotic diet. I followed it to the letter

while hyper; when I went into remission within the month, I had more trouble

sticking with it. That said, I eat mostly macrobiotically right now, giving

myself some leeway.

The basics are: whole grains, vegetables (excluding nightshades which are

potatos, mushroom, peppers, eggplants, tomatos), sea vegetables, and beans. The

goal is to eat locally grown, organic food when it's in season. Fruit is used

sparingly. So I eat a lot of brown rice, millett, buckwheat noodles, veggies of

all sorts including the more exotic (to me anyway) daikon radish, burdock root,

sea veggies like nori, arakame, kombu, kelp, dulse, soy milk and beans -- tofu,

tempeh, etc. , all different sorts of beans.

I've read some differing information about soy and millett. Can't remember

where I read about millett, but if I'm remembering correctly, too much can

contribute to hypothyroidism. The same is supposedly true for soy. Since I

have antibodies for both Graves Disease and Hashimotos (hyper and hypo!), and am

now totally eurothyroid, I am trying to find a balance between all of these

things so I can stay where I am!

Basically, if you're starting out on dietary changes: cut out caffeine, coffee

decaf or otherwise, black teas, refined sugar and processed foods as much as

possible. If you just start eating whole grains, vegetables,organic if

possible, and start making your own food and avoiding preprepared items, you'll

go a long way toward better health.

[Guest guest]

ladrisczill-@... wrote:

original article:hyperthyroidism/?start=30

90

> dear ali:

> in the book...healing options, a report on graves disease treatments

by kate

> flax , she recommends Anne Marie Colbins " Food and Healing: How

what you

> eat determines your health, your well-being, and the quality of your

life.

> this might help you. I have also heard that the

acupuncturist?chinese

> medicine person can also recommend specific foods that can help you

with your

> particular set of circumstances. Different things work for different

people.

>

> I have graves disease, I have cut out coffee, and all caffeinated

beverages,

> I think that has helped. I also think that foods like broccoli,

cauliflour,

> brussel sprouts, and I think spinach.......all supposedly slow down

the

> thyroid. But in general I think it is important to start

implementing a

> whole foods diet with a little food from all of the different

categories.

> Make sure you are getting enuf protein and has said that you

need a

> little more fats also when you are hyper. There are so many things

that

> you could be doing to change your diet, just remember...read read

read. The

> more you know the better off you will be. Hope I have helped a

little,

>

Thanks

I think the Marie Colbins book is the one that my friend had and I dont

see her any more and I could have kicked myself for not getting the

name of

it. Thankyou once again, If any body else knows some good books to read

please let me know..

Ali

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I tried to find the book you mentioned on www.Amazon.com. That authors

name didnt come up.

Under Subject matter I entered health, diet, thyroid and this is what I got

<A HREF= " http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ats-query/002-5790635-9361819 " >htt

p://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ats-query/002-5790635-9361819</A>. I hope

this url turns out to help anyone. It was for 3 thyroid books for women ---

one's I never heard of!

--kathleen

In a message dated 12/3/1999 5:41:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

parad@... writes:

<< Subj: Re: Please help

Date: 12/3/1999 5:41:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

From: parad@...

Reply-to: hyperthyroidismegroups

hyperthyroidismeGroups

ladrisczill-@... wrote:

original article:hyperthyroidism/?start=30

90

> dear ali:

> in the book...healing options, a report on graves disease treatments

by kate

> flax , she recommends Anne Marie Colbins " Food and Healing: How

what you

> eat determines your health, your well-being, and the quality of your

life.

> this might help you. I have also heard that the

acupuncturist?chinese

> medicine person can also recommend specific foods that can help you

with your

> particular set of circumstances. Different things work for different

people.

>

> I have graves disease, I have cut out coffee, and all caffeinated

beverages,

> I think that has helped. I also think that foods like broccoli,

cauliflour,

> brussel sprouts, and I think spinach.......all supposedly slow down

the

> thyroid. But in general I think it is important to start

implementing a

> whole foods diet with a little food from all of the different

categories.

> Make sure you are getting enuf protein and has said that you

need a

> little more fats also when you are hyper. There are so many things

that

> you could be doing to change your diet, just remember...read read

read. The

> more you know the better off you will be. Hope I have helped a

little,

>

Thanks

I think the Marie Colbins book is the one that my friend had and I dont

see her any more and I could have kicked myself for not getting the

name of

it. Thankyou once again, If any body else knows some good books to read

please let me know..

Ali

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[Guest guest]

hi kathleen

i went and looked for both books that I mentioned at amazon .com and I found

them both. make sure that if you are going to search by the authors name

that you select author search and not book search. If you just do the book

search, then type in the title of the book. I did the search by the titles

of the book and bothcame up. Good luck,

[Guest guest]

>He informed me today that my thyroid tests were fine.

Heh. See my previous post.

>hoping that you folks could let me know if I sound like a candidate for hypothyroidism

yup.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/28/2001 1:13:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, grinberg17@... writes:

I took my

temperature immediately upon waking up and had a temperature of

97.3. I recently went to my doctor to discuss this and had bloodwork

done. He informed me today that my thyroid tests were fine. AFter

discussing this further, he said that he would look into referring me

to an endocrinologist.

This sounds like me. I had all the classic signs of being hypothyroid for decades yet I was pronounced 'fine' by my docs and offered psychological counseling all because the damned TSH test was not abnormal. I, like you, believed them instead of my body and instead of voting w/ my feet earlier and going to find a doc who would pay more attention to what their eyes and ears were telling them than that damned lab result.

It sounds to me like you may have what is called sub-clinical hypothyroidism. All the symptoms, just no measurable test results to go with them. It's in cases like these that a doctor's true skill at medicine is tested these days; unfortunately many doctors are failing the test. In general, today's docs are so used to covering up lack of interpersonal and clinical skills that all they rely on are test results. This, compared to doctors 50-60 years ago whose main diagnostic tools were listening, looking, touching the patient, then prescribing based on the report of symptoms.

First and just for the record, I would suggest you call your doctor's office and request they fax you a copy of your test results.

Second, I would suggest you continue monitoring your daily temperature and recording it. Low body temperture (again, in spite of what many of today's docs will tell you) is a sign that something is wrong with the thyroid system. If you had a child, would you let that child go months or even years with a mild grade fever? And do nothing? No, you'd want to know the reason and you'd want it fixed! Likewise, we with thyroid dysfunction should not stand for docs who tell us temps chronically below 98.6 are 'normal' and do nothing to help us!

Third, I would suggest you find a doc who has clinical skills and the ability to recognize thyroid dysfunction regardless of the test result. The Broda people have a list of docs, I believe. You can get their contact info by doing a search on Google.com. Also, the 's Thyroid syndrome people are very keyed in to this and have a list of docs, reading materials on subclinical hypothyroidsim, and an information packet you can give to a doctor you think might be open treating you this way. You can check them out at www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com.

For me, even getting docs to prescribe traditional meds in spite of my test results didn't help my subclinical condition, it made me feel worse. Your results may vary. For me, the 's approach is working spectactularly, quickly, and relatively cheaply, so I'm a fan. And hopefully, you'll find something and someone who'll listen and offer you real help that works for you, not any suggestions of counseling, anti-depressants, or "you'll just have to live with it" bullshit.

Good luck and let us know how you're doing!

in LA

"We are each responsible for our own life--no other person is or even *can* be." Oprah Winfrey

http://geocities.com/llheinsohn/index.html

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/29/2001 1:28:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, grinberg17@... writes:

My doctor did indicate that he would look into

referring me to an endocrinologist for further tests (hopefully one

is covered under my insurance.) Do you think that this is the way to

go, or should I just switch doctors to one that is listed under the

's site? Thanks again.

You might find a good endo from his referral, you never know. And if new doc is covered by your insurance that would be a double benefit! You might get lucky thrice and find one that's even open to learning about WTS and treating you that way. If I were in your shoes though, I would also be checking out the referral list from WTS and Broda as well as asking around with friends who might have had a good experience with an endo treating low thyroid to see if I could beef up my list of potential doctors to choose from. I'm always in favor of having more than one option, especially when I'm not feeling well; I hate feeling sick and crummy and having to wait for three months because my next doctor of choice has no current openings.

Another thing to ask yourself ask is: Might your current doctor be open to reading the 's materials and treating you that way? If he has an open and a curious mind, you would never have to change doctors at all!

Good luck!

in LA

"We are each responsible for our own life--no other person is or even *can* be." Oprah Winfrey

http://geocities.com/llheinsohn/index.html

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much, . I subscribed to the 's newsletter

and received an e-mail with instructions on monitoring my body

temperature. So, I'm hopeful right now. I will also request a copy

of my test results. My doctor did indicate that he would look into

referring me to an endocrinologist for further tests (hopefully one

is covered under my insurance.) Do you think that this is the way to

go, or should I just switch doctors to one that is listed under the

's site? Thanks again.

[Guest guest]

Dear Pat,

sometimes, it is not easy to adscribe fever to any cause,

and as modern medicine needs a cause in order to treat, little can be done.

Other forms of medicine have more creative and unspecific ways to

deal with the problem of undiagnosed fever.

Consider homeopathy, for example.

-One or two doses of Belladonna, in different dilutions,

-a vial of Argentum Metallicum Praeparatum/Echinacea

(Weleda Labs, of the Anthroposophical Extension of Medicine)

-a Viburcol supository or a vial of Belladonna Homaccord

(Heel Labs, Albuquerque, NM).

-some tablets of BHI-Echinacea PB, BHI-Infection, and/or BHI-Inflammation

Most of these are OTC

Traumeel vials (Heel Labs) and

Erysidoron 1 and 2 (Weleda) may also correct the need for fever.

Wobenzym N tablets is another way: you use enzymes to

permeate the tissues, enhance exchanges,

and make inflammation and fever last far less.

An i.v. push of 1% procaine will also do (neuraltherapy).

A tepid inmersion bath left to get cold, damp wraps,

vinegar soaked socks, cold enemas...

there are several ways to bring fever down naturally,

and to treat without the ubiquitous but unnatural antibiotics.

Normal WBC is 4000-10000.

A staph. infection would usually bring it way over that.

Best regards

Ignacio Fojgel, M.D.

Buenos Aires, Argentina.

patf221@... wrote:

> Dear Members,

>

> The post below came from another list I belong to, parents of near drowns.

> I'm posting this here because there are more doctors and professionals on

> this list and I believe these concerns merit professional advice.

>

> " Anyway, here's my problem. These doctors have been letting her run

> 104/105 fever without really bringing it down. Not aggressively trying

> anything or searching for any reason. They checked blood work and don't

> see sign of infection so they said it must be her thermostat's out of

> whack. I told mom, I wouldn't care if it was, a fever that high for that

> long is not good on the liver or the kidneys or the brain and they better

> figure out what to do about it. They hadn't even told the mom and dad how

> to put ice packs with cool wash cloths under the arm pits and knees and

> the back of the neck and the top of the head. I told her to cool the food

> or put ice chips in it and give cold water between feedings. I told her

> to cool the bags of saline solution going in to the IV in the frig. They

> aren't doing anything!! My son had a bad thermostat and that's what we

> did with him when his fever wouldn't respond. I also told her to have the

> doctors take a culture from the trache, the tubes, the nasal cavity, the

> back of the throat, the urine............. can anyone else think of

> anything I missed? Shoot, if the doctors won't do it, you might as well

> ask for it your own dang self. Did anyone, or has anyone ever had

> anything like this? Any other suggestions of what test to run? The lungs

> sound clear. I also asked to check for a staff infection, I asked if she

> knew what the white count was ---- but I don't know what is high? what is

> it? "

>

> God Bless, Pat

> Mom to , 28 yrs old, 1/98 MVA/Near Drowning

> Come meet <A

HREF= " www.georgemelendez.org " >www.georgemelendez.org</A>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Can anyone help find a doctor in New York? She is looking for an

LLMD as well as an alternative doc (naturopath, homeopath, etc). Any help

or advise for her would be much appreciated!

Thanks.

Robynn

-Owner

[ ] (unknown)

Greetings:

My name is Eid and I am new to the list. I have spent the

past week reading about symptoms I have already/currently been having

and I am at my end! It depresses me so to go on reading all this but

I know I must get answers.

My current doc is somewhat Lyme disease proficient but I am starting

to think not enough. He is doc number 6. I am currently waiting for

rocephin IV therapy to begin for 4 wks only through United Health

Care (I fought Oxford and the state for a better part of the year

before I realized that avenue was hopeless.)

I also have the high heart rate and currently I am overweight 80lbs

but I had it before when I was at my optimum weight. I do remember

that it wasn't as bad as now. I was misdiagnosed for 2-3 yrs before

I began orals 300doxy and 1000ceftin/day for 8mos. Then I had the

benzathine shots and now I am waiting for the IV.

I am beginning to worry that some of my side effects may not be

reversible and I want to know where I can go to see a llmd in NYC.

Also should I see a cardiologist? Or another specialist? I have had

a spect scan and a tilt table (dear god,) and several labs ( I am a

veritible pin cushion.) I must say that in some ways I am very

medically illiterate or something to that nature.

Can anyone please let me know what my next steps should be or where I

can start researching? I think I should probably have IV for more

that 4wks but insurance says no and I have called the columbia study

but I am ineligible due to the fact that I no longer test pos for a

western blot and that I have not yet had IV. Someone also

recommended a alternative medicine doc and I have had a chiropractor

and even seen an accupuncturist but not now. Does anyone have any

recommendations for an alternative practictioner in NYC? Does anyone

have a recommendation for a llmd in NYC?

Still struggling....

[Guest guest]

Maybe some of Godsent, ph, , Sungodjr, andyslostballs or

Jeanine's friends can go over to her MSM groups site as it seems she

is rather lonely, in fact she has taken to talking to herself. Please

help poor Godsent, ph, , Sungodjr, andyslostballs or Jeanine.

Cheer her up, send some happy vibrations her way, as She may be " END

STAGE " again or has suffered another of those horrible in-vitro HCV

attacks. Please send her money. I need to get paid.

[Guest guest]

Maybe some of Godsent, ph, , Sungodjr, andyslostballs or

Jeanine's friends can go over to her MSM groups site as it seems she

is rather lonely, in fact she has taken to talking to herself. Please

help poor Godsent, ph, , Sungodjr, andyslostballs or Jeanine.

Cheer her up, send some happy vibrations her way She may be " END

STAGE " again or has suffered another of those horrible in-vitro HCV

attacks. Please send her money. I need to get paid.

[Guest guest]

Better yet, find another site. There is nothing but discord and arguing here! Believe me or review the majority of posts for last few months. It is an ongoing battle about medicinal marijuana (scott has nothing but contempt for it) and natural vs. traditional approaches. If you want to get into this fray, well then stay. If you are looking for help and support, forget about it and RUN THE OTHER WAY. Most everyone of any value already has.

[ ] PLEASE HELP

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[Guest guest]

You may have a point D. At first I resented your post. I had thought

that maybe Jeanine and would be able to take a less militant

tack when faced with a young person who is new. Sadly, that is

apparently not the case. , I must apologize for the behaviors

you find here. Some people here are filled with anger and hatred.

Anger can also be a side affect of treatment. I have heard on another

list of young people wanting to start their own groups. I will check

it out for you. Hang in there. If you would like to email me

privately, that's fine. Love. Karolyn

> Better yet, find another site. There is nothing but discord and

arguing here! Believe me or review the majority of posts for last

few months. It is an ongoing battle about medicinal marijuana (scott

has nothing but contempt for it) and natural vs. traditional

approaches. If you want to get into this fray, well then stay. If

you are looking for help and support, forget about it and RUN THE

OTHER WAY. Most everyone of any value already has.

> [ ] PLEASE HELP

>

>

> Jeanine needs money to pay me...please buy her products.

>

> From: godscent (Original Message) Sent: 4/3/2003 1:53 PM

> We are currently collecting co-op orders for MAP everyone!

>

> Please get all your orders in ASAP so we can place the order in a

> timely fashion, before people begin to run out.

>

> The co-op order will take about 2 weeks, so plan ahead!

>

> MAP is $30 a bottle through the co-op.

>

> Godsent, ph, , Sungodjr, andyslostballs or Jeanine.

>

>

> She also claims elsewhere that it's grat for losing those pesky

extra

> pounds heppers are known for. Lose weight and get a cure for

hepatitis

> c, it's a two for one sale.

>

> And don't forget this was not invented by the world renowned nobel

> nominated boy wonder Pat Flanagan who actually bought his Medical

> Degree from a degree mill in Colombo Sri Lanka but the even more

world

> renowned Dr.Luca Morretti ( Harvey Goldman) who bought his

degree in

> the Dominican Republic.

>

>

> Please help Jeanine, Please.

>

> Or you can go on the net andd buy more of this stuff for much

less, or

> even better you can mix and cap these ingreidents for about $2.50

> including the geletin caps.

>

> Be an informed consumer.

>

>

>

>

>

> Or you can go on the net andd buy more of this stuff for much

less,

> or even better you can mix and cap these ingreidents for about

$2.50

> including the geletin caps * L-Isoleucine 1.483g

> * L-Leucine 1.946g

> * L-Valine 1.657

> * L-Lysine 1.429g

> * L-Methionine 0.699g

> * L-Phenylalanine 1.289g

> * L-Threonine 1.111g

> * L-Tryptophane 0.368g

>

> Master Amino Acid Pattern (MAP), to help you keep calorie and food

> volume down, while providing targeted support to the muscles,

liver

> and immune systems so critical to optimizing body composition.

MAP is

> a way to consume protein, without the fat, the calories, or

nitrogen

> (Net Nitrogen Utilization of MAP is 99%) residues which can

overload

> your liver or kidneys.

> In one recent scientific study, subjects who dieted with the aid

of

> supplemental amino acids lost more body fat than subjects not

> consuming the amino acids. Even more compelling is that the group

> supplementing with amino acids lost their greatest amount of fat

from

> the abdominal and thigh regions, two areas of concern for both

men and

> women.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kenny,

Don't wait for anyone else. Call a NS in the morning as I've heard it can take

weeks to even get in to see one... tho after mine received my MRI films I was in

within a week and had surgery a couple weeks later. (second lumbar surgery at

L5-S1) I have a bump on my left shoulder, the hospital did xrays only of my head

even tho I told them my shoulders and neck hurt after my '95 car accident

(someone pulled out in front of me thinking he could make it, was too close tho,

with brakes I hit him at 45-50mph, totaled both cars). Anyhow had seen the

doctor a couple times (reg MD, different than I have now) and called one day for

an asap appt b/c as I was rubbing my neck then my left shoulder, I noticed a

bump. Saw doc that afternoon and he xrayed my shoulder. I dont have pain where

that bump is but what he thinks happened is when I hit the steering wheel, my

shoulder popped out of place then back into place, sorta.. as it re-healed with

a bump. Sorry lost my point there.. guess what I'm saying is if your GP didnt

take xrays or whatever, maybe at that time it wasnt noticable tho he should have

as a precaution. If you're ever not happy with a doctor, don't stay b/c of

loyalty, get a 2nd and 3rd opinion if needed. Besides stressing neurosurgeons

over orthosurgeons on this board (the majority of us), we all also stress more

than one opinion. Now unless you have a referral to a neurosurgeon by your

family doc, you can't just call to get in to see one. YOu need a referal and

they also require an MRI before seeing them as if they don't see any problems on

an MRI, they won't see you b/c you're not a surgery candidate. Ask your doc for

an MRI of the other area that is bothering you, not one of the same area you had

done tho, insurance won't pay for one of the same area that soon, or they'll

fight it. Going to an ER may be a good idea, but remember all they will do is

xrays, they are not capable to do MRI's as they have to set up the machines and

it can sometimes take a week or more for an appt. I got lucky wiht my last one

b/c they had a cancellation so I got in the next day. You are paying for all of

this so remember, you're " hiring " your doctors and if you're not happy with

results, tell them you want a 2nd opinion. If its a family doc you're not happy

with, go " interview " and find another one. Whatever you do don't sit back and

wait, the pain wont go away on its own and you really need to get established

with a doc you trust and vica versa so you can get your pain meds. I have been

with my family doc now for 3 years and we've both built up a strong trust so if

I tell her hey, I need stronger meds, she knows I'm not taking too many or

selling them, she knows the pain is real. Docs have to be very careful, esp with

narcotics, b/c of others that take advantage of them and they are liable. I can

tell you if I went into my docs office tomorrow and got a script for a narcotic,

walked out the door and the wind blew it away, it would be my loss b/c tho she

would know I was telling the truth, legally she can not write me another script.

So whatever pain meds you get, hold onto that script for dear life lol Even if

mine doesnt need filled for a week or however long, I take it right to my

pharmacist and she puts it into the computer. Lastly again, do what Joe

suggested, ask your GP for something for depression and someone to talk to about

all of this. All of us here can listen and are happy to help in any way we can,

but we can't see you and are not doctors so we just give our best advice,

opinions and personal experiences to help others out best we can. I hope you are

able to get some sleep tonight and please, make calls tomorrow.. to your family

doc for meds and neurosurgeon referral. If he/she says no, my advice would be

get the list of docs your insurance has on their list that you can go to and

start calling for an appt. asap to find a new one. No matter how great someones

doctor is, he/she is not feeling your pain, you have to fight and get the help

you need and deserve. I hope I've said something helpful in this long post,

again I apologize, just trying to help all I can. Btw, ask about something to

help you sleep if you're having trouble sleeping, you don't need to be run-down

tired on top of everythign else.. keep your strength up best you can, mind and

body wise. We're all here for ya

Connie

Please help

> I'm in so much pain I don't know what to do. My shoulder and part of

> my neck feel like they're on fire. I have an appointment for Tuesday

> with an ortho. I can't really afford a trip to the ER and it

> probably won't do any good anyway. Here's what I'm thinking: I

> suffered a compression fracture(s) somewhere in the thoracic spine

> due to my injury. It's been 7 weeks since and I haven't had it

> treated yet. Thus the spine is healing out of position (which would

> explain the larger indentation between my shoulder blades and why

> shirts fit differently now). I am scared that I am just going to

> have to live with the deformity since it probably isn't enough of one

> to warrant surgery. They'll probably want to brace me but all that

> will do is prevent further deformity, right? I still can't believe

> the GP I've been seeing didn't bother to have a lateral x-ray of my

> thoracic spine done. Has anyone else on this board had thoracic

> spine problems? A compression fracture perhaps? Also, I'm thinking

> the ortho is going to want to order tests done, which takes time.

> How long should I wait to schedule an NS appt? I'm so new to this

> everyone, I don't know what to do. In addition to the physical pain

> I'm obviously very depressed right now. This is such a nightmare.

> If anyone can offer ANY advice I would appreciate it (thanks so much

> for the advice and encouragement you've already given me).

>

> -Losing it in California

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

from what i've read you can have a compression fracture and have

little to no pain. only an a/p x-ray was taken of my thoracic spine,

so there could have been damage to the other side of the vertebrae

that didn't show in the x-ray. i forced my upper back to flex beyond

it's limits so i'm sure i fucked something up. i'm so scared and so

depressed. i can't bring myself to do anything. if it wasn't for

the ortho appt. tomorrow i'd be going to the mental hospital

tonight. my lower legs keep feeling numb, don't know if it's the

medication or what, but if it is why is it mostly effecting the lower

limbs? poor , she feels so powerless and so do i. i just

have to try and get through this, somehow someway.

> Kenny,

> I'm recuperating from a T6 compression fracture. I wore a full

body brace

> for months b/c I had breaks in the thoracic & lumbar regions. NO,

a brace

> doesn't mean it'll prevent further deformity. Rather, the brace

keeps the

> area of the back rigid so that your spine can heal properly. You

literally

> can't hurt yourself & cause further damage. Compared to my L1 burst

> fracture, T6 is a piece of cake. That's not to say that I don't

still have

> pain near T6, but now that the break is healed, it's muscle ache

from not

> using my back & arm muscles for so long.

>

> If you have a thoracic fracture, just putting on your shirt will be

hard.

> Reaching for something is nearly impossible. Carrying anything

weighing

> more than half a pound will be impossible. Nick is right, you

can't break

> the thoracic vertebrae from a stretch. I thought you had an MRI &

> radiographs (X-ray) that showed no problems. Of course, the MRI is

> targeted, meaning that only a certain region of your back is

scanned based

> on your doctor's orders. Perhaps you're experiencing problems from

another

> region of your spine. If you're anywhere near L.A., try UCLA

Medical Center,

> as their spine people are tops & as I recall they accept people

with little

> or no medical insurance.

>

> Talk to your GP to see if you're truly clinically depressed. For

clinical

> depression, Prozac (stimulant) or Thorazine (soothing) helps. I

may be

> wrong, but you don't sound like you're clinically depressed in your

posts.

> sonia

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree, I am only really interested in Epilepsy posts, I have had my fill of

fluoridation, autism, etc.... I don't feel it is appropriate for this list.

If I was interested I would join those lists.

Janna

In a message dated 9/24/2003 7:45:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

foxhillers@... writes:

Hiya all

I am on the DIGEST mode and find it very difficult to find the next

message when there is so much material posted that is only tangentially

related to

epilepsy.

May I suggest that the off topic posts provide a short synopsis of the

subject and a link to the full story/article/issue.

This will also save bandwidth

MJH

[Guest guest]

While I don't always agree that all the post here are epilepsy related, I

appreciate the knowledge I have gained from some of these posts. If it's

something I don't need, I simply delete it. All of us are different, with

different situations, even where epilepsy/seizures are concerned. I respect

the

fellow members right to post items they feel are relevant.

[Guest guest]

a-

I believe it is die off. Please stay true to your regimen and have faith

that you are healing. Your body is finally purging all of the toxins. I

still get die off symptoms now and then, and I know how scary/upsetting it

can be. Hang in there.

-Patty

>From: " a Lendzion " <spiraldream@...>

>Reply-candidiasis

><candidiasis >

>Subject: Please help

>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:12:15 -0700

>

>Hey everyone!

>

>I have been on a raw vegan candida diet (which has been wonderfu) for

>about six weeks now, Oregano Oil for about 4.5 weeks, and Threelac (3

>and then 4 packets a day) for 2.5 weeks. For the past few days, my acne

>has been horrible, I have been nauseous, very fatigued, and have had

>horrible gas pains at times. Could this be die-off, considering the

>time period I have been doing all of these things?

>Any insight or shared experience would be very helpful! I am kind of

>miserable over here.

>

>Thanks,

>a

>

>

>

>Insights and Astrology

>http://www.cahty.com <http://www.cahty.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Patty,

Thanks for the encouragment. It helps me to remember to be gentle with

my body and its own unique way of healing. You say you still get die

off symptoms at times...how long have you been treating your candida?

Blessings,

a

Insights and Astrology

http://www.cahty.com <http://www.cahty.com/>

Please help

>Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:12:15 -0700

>

>Hey everyone!

>

>I have been on a raw vegan candida diet (which has been wonderfu) for

>about six weeks now, Oregano Oil for about 4.5 weeks, and Threelac (3

>and then 4 packets a day) for 2.5 weeks. For the past few days, my

acne

>has been horrible, I have been nauseous, very fatigued, and have had

>horrible gas pains at times. Could this be die-off, considering the

>time period I have been doing all of these things?

>Any insight or shared experience would be very helpful! I am kind of

>miserable over here.

>

>Thanks,

>a

>

>

>

>Insights and Astrology

>http://www.cahty.com <http://www.cahty.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have been treating my candida since June. My health has greatly improved

since then (the die is is minimal now).

-Patty

>From: " a Lendzion " <spiraldream@...>

>Reply-candidiasis

><candidiasis >

>Subject: RE: Please help

>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:56:23 -0700

>

>Patty,

>

>Thanks for the encouragment. It helps me to remember to be gentle with

>my body and its own unique way of healing. You say you still get die

>off symptoms at times...how long have you been treating your candida?

>

>Blessings,

>a

>

>

>Insights and Astrology

>http://www.cahty.com <http://www.cahty.com/>

>

>

> Please help

> >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:12:15 -0700

> >

> >Hey everyone!

> >

> >I have been on a raw vegan candida diet (which has been wonderfu) for

> >about six weeks now, Oregano Oil for about 4.5 weeks, and Threelac (3

> >and then 4 packets a day) for 2.5 weeks. For the past few days, my

>acne

> >has been horrible, I have been nauseous, very fatigued, and have had

> >horrible gas pains at times. Could this be die-off, considering the

> >time period I have been doing all of these things?

> >Any insight or shared experience would be very helpful! I am kind of

> >miserable over here.

> >

> >Thanks,

> >a

> >

> >

> >

> >Insights and Astrology

> >http://www.cahty.com <http://www.cahty.com/>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well, you're on the right track. Keep it up. But sadly, this will not be

enough. I have been trying different versions of what you're doing for 9

years. The diet, misc. supplements/herbs; they always brought relief. But

like many here on this forum have concluded, you cannot cure the yeast

problem with out fixing the underlying problem.

Normally your liver regulates the amount of yeast your body has, but if it

is not functioning properly everything is out of wack. The first thing I

did was to cleanse my colon. I did this for two months while continuing

everything you're doing. Then I began doing liver flushes. What a

difference they have made for me. I just completed my third flush. I

removed 350 on the first, 1000 on the second and 400 this time. I have been

able to add some forbidden foods back into my diet without any of the

reactions that I previously had.

For more information on the flushes and cleanses, go to www.Curezone.com

All of this may sound too bizarre; maybe a little scary. I remember reading

about this stuff years ago and thought is was too " out there. " I finally

got so fed up with this candida and all the other ailments it bought along

with it, and decided to do something drastic. It's working. I have a long

way to go, and you need to realize too that a cure will not happen over

night. It took years for your body to get to this state, and it will take

some time to return it. You need to read, read, read! You cannot learn

enough. Get a hold of s Moritz's books (can someone post the link?).

" The Key to Health and Rejuvenation, " and " The Amazing Liver Cleanse. "

I Hope this helps. Don't let it get you down. People have rid themselves

of this pesky beast. You need to find the plan that works for your body.

Everyone is different. Listen to your body; your intuition. They will show

you the way.

Alright, I'm really confused right now and quite worried.

Since last week I've gone on a NO Carb/Sugar/Dairy diet to combat my

yeast infection. I have been taking Caprylic acid, Oregano Oil,

Echinacea, Vit C, Acidophilus, Milk Thistle, a digest detox enzyme...

Now, all of my ailments seem to have gotten much better. The rashes

have almost fully receded, and only the itching persists, but not

nearly as bad as before. So I though I was doing really well, and

then I did a spit test last night and in the morning today and the

strands came more quickly then ever and reached more than half-way

down the glass?! It looked like its been the worse its been since I

first got this infection!!?

How is it that I'm feeling better, my rashes are receding, but the

spit tells me that the Candidas is worse than ever!?

Someone please help me, I really don't know what to do. This is

incredibly frustrating.

Any help would be greatly appreciated...*sigh*

[Guest guest]

thankyou . I'm going to get a head start on this and take a look at the flushes right now.

I appreciate it.

-rasdasa

RE: Please Help

Well, you're on the right track. Keep it up. But sadly, this will not beenough. I have been trying different versions of what you're doing for 9years. The diet, misc. supplements/herbs; they always brought relief. Butlike many here on this forum have concluded, you cannot cure the yeastproblem with out fixing the underlying problem.Normally your liver regulates the amount of yeast your body has, but if itis not functioning properly everything is out of wack. The first thing Idid was to cleanse my colon. I did this for two months while continuingeverything you're doing. Then I began doing liver flushes. What adifference they have made for me. I just completed my third flush. Iremoved 350 on the first, 1000 on the second and 400 this time. I have beenable to add some forbidden foods back into my diet without any of thereactions that I previously had.For more information on the flushes and cleanses, go to www.Curezone.comAll of this may sound too bizarre; maybe a little scary. I remember readingabout this stuff years ago and thought is was too "out there." I finallygot so fed up with this candida and all the other ailments it bought alongwith it, and decided to do something drastic. It's working. I have a longway to go, and you need to realize too that a cure will not happen overnight. It took years for your body to get to this state, and it will takesome time to return it. You need to read, read, read! You cannot learnenough. Get a hold of s Moritz's books (can someone post the link?)."The Key to Health and Rejuvenation," and "The Amazing Liver Cleanse."I Hope this helps. Don't let it get you down. People have rid themselvesof this pesky beast. You need to find the plan that works for your body.Everyone is different. Listen to your body; your intuition. They will showyou the way.Alright, I'm really confused right now and quite worried.Since last week I've gone on a NO Carb/Sugar/Dairy diet to combat myyeast infection. I have been taking Caprylic acid, Oregano Oil,Echinacea, Vit C, Acidophilus, Milk Thistle, a digest detox enzyme...Now, all of my ailments seem to have gotten much better. The rasheshave almost fully receded, and only the itching persists, but notnearly as bad as before. So I though I was doing really well, andthen I did a spit test last night and in the morning today and thestrands came more quickly then ever and reached more than half-waydown the glass?! It looked like its been the worse its been since Ifirst got this infection!!?How is it that I'm feeling better, my rashes are receding, but thespit tells me that the Candidas is worse than ever!?Someone please help me, I really don't know what to do. This isincredibly frustrating.Any help would be greatly appreciated...*sigh*