Chi machine

June 23, 2001

Hi Karma,

Are you saying that the original Oxycisor is a very good machine?

They are still available from The Shopping Channel in Toronto, for

under $99.00 Canadian funds. You are right, it has another name, but

they still sell it. Last time I saw the demo, it was approximately

$89.00 canadan funds. For those of you in the USA, this is a steal

with the USD. Mine works very well (when I use it). Has a hand held

timer.

Is there any problem with useing this at night? Sometime before bed?

I don't want to be energised when I need to sleep.

Sandy

> Hi Sandy,

> I use mine twice a day. 15 minutes each. The Oxycisor is the

machine that

> Home Shopping Network used to sell, then had to re-name it to the

OxyFlow

> machine. It is the one that can be picked up some times for under

$100.00

> from http://www.firstauction.com I watched everyday for a couple

of months

> and won a half hour auction for my first machine. I just couldn't

bring

> myself to spend several hundred dollars for one. Since then, I

have tried

> almost every swing machine on the market and sell most of them

too. The

> problem with the original Sun Harmony Chi Machine, is that it is

MLM and

> costs more because of it. It is a great machine though, very good

quality

> machine.

>

> ~Karma

>

> chi machine

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I've had an oxycisor in my bedroom for two years and haven't used

> it. Thankfully, this list is motivating me to put it into action.

> How many times a day should this be used for best results? I

don't

> remember.

>

> Thanks

>

> Sandy

>

June 23, 2001

Hi Karma,

Are you saying that the original Oxycisor is a very good machine?

They are still available from The Shopping Channel in Toronto, for

under $99.00 Canadian funds. You are right, it has another name, but

they still sell it. Last time I saw the demo, it was approximately

$89.00 canadan funds. For those of you in the USA, this is a steal

with the USD. Mine works very well (when I use it). Has a hand held

timer.

Is there any problem with useing this at night? Sometime before bed?

I don't want to be energised when I need to sleep.

Sandy

> Hi Sandy,

> I use mine twice a day. 15 minutes each. The Oxycisor is the

machine that

> Home Shopping Network used to sell, then had to re-name it to the

OxyFlow

> machine. It is the one that can be picked up some times for under

$100.00

> from http://www.firstauction.com I watched everyday for a couple

of months

> and won a half hour auction for my first machine. I just couldn't

bring

> myself to spend several hundred dollars for one. Since then, I

have tried

> almost every swing machine on the market and sell most of them

too. The

> problem with the original Sun Harmony Chi Machine, is that it is

MLM and

> costs more because of it. It is a great machine though, very good

quality

> machine.

>

> ~Karma

>

> chi machine

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I've had an oxycisor in my bedroom for two years and haven't used

> it. Thankfully, this list is motivating me to put it into action.

> How many times a day should this be used for best results? I

don't

> remember.

>

> Thanks

>

> Sandy

>

June 23, 2001

Hi Sandy,

Yes, it does the same thing as the more expensive machines. The problem

with it is that it is made very cheaply and will wear out much faster than

the better quality machines. Some of them are made with plastic gears

instead of metal ones. Plastic wears out much quicker. I use mine first

thing in the morning, and again right before bed. I see no problem with

using it at night. You will need to pay attention to your reaction to

times. Everyone is different. I say, if you have it, use it!!!!

~Karma

http://loaves-n-fishes.com

http://www.karma.awarenesshealth.com

chi machine

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I've had an oxycisor in my bedroom for two years and haven't used

> it. Thankfully, this list is motivating me to put it into action.

> How many times a day should this be used for best results? I

don't

> remember.

>

> Thanks

>

> Sandy

>

June 23, 2001

I have an oxyflow machine and I use it at night before

going to bed. I think it helps me to relax. The only

problem I have is that, being a large woman, I have to

do one leg at a time because the ankle holders are set

too closely together for me to comfortably do both

legs at the same time.

Joy

--- moldovansandy@... wrote:

> Hi Karma,

>

> Are you saying that the original Oxycisor is a very

> good machine?

> They are still available from The Shopping Channel

> in Toronto, for

> under $99.00 Canadian funds. You are right, it has

> another name, but

> they still sell it. Last time I saw the demo, it

> was approximately

> $89.00 canadan funds. For those of you in the USA,

> this is a steal

> with the USD. Mine works very well (when I use it).

> Has a hand held

> timer.

>

> Is there any problem with useing this at night?

> Sometime before bed?

> I don't want to be energised when I need to sleep.

>

> Sandy

>

> > Hi Sandy,

> > I use mine twice a day. 15 minutes each. The

> Oxycisor is the

> machine that

> > Home Shopping Network used to sell, then had to

> re-name it to the

> OxyFlow

> > machine. It is the one that can be picked up some

> times for under

> $100.00

> > from http://www.firstauction.com I watched

> everyday for a couple

> of months

> > and won a half hour auction for my first machine.

> I just couldn't

> bring

> > myself to spend several hundred dollars for one.

> Since then, I

> have tried

> > almost every swing machine on the market and sell

> most of them

> too. The

> > problem with the original Sun Harmony Chi Machine,

> is that it is

> MLM and

> > costs more because of it. It is a great machine

> though, very good

> quality

> > machine.

> >

> > ~Karma

> >

> > chi machine

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I've had an oxycisor in my bedroom for two years

> and haven't used

> > it. Thankfully, this list is motivating me to

> put it into action.

> > How many times a day should this be used for

> best results? I

> don't

> > remember.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Sandy

> >

June 23, 2001

I have an oxyflow machine and I use it at night before

going to bed. I think it helps me to relax. The only

problem I have is that, being a large woman, I have to

do one leg at a time because the ankle holders are set

too closely together for me to comfortably do both

legs at the same time.

Joy

--- moldovansandy@... wrote:

> Hi Karma,

>

> Are you saying that the original Oxycisor is a very

> good machine?

> They are still available from The Shopping Channel

> in Toronto, for

> under $99.00 Canadian funds. You are right, it has

> another name, but

> they still sell it. Last time I saw the demo, it

> was approximately

> $89.00 canadan funds. For those of you in the USA,

> this is a steal

> with the USD. Mine works very well (when I use it).

> Has a hand held

> timer.

>

> Is there any problem with useing this at night?

> Sometime before bed?

> I don't want to be energised when I need to sleep.

>

> Sandy

>

> > Hi Sandy,

> > I use mine twice a day. 15 minutes each. The

> Oxycisor is the

> machine that

> > Home Shopping Network used to sell, then had to

> re-name it to the

> OxyFlow

> > machine. It is the one that can be picked up some

> times for under

> $100.00

> > from http://www.firstauction.com I watched

> everyday for a couple

> of months

> > and won a half hour auction for my first machine.

> I just couldn't

> bring

> > myself to spend several hundred dollars for one.

> Since then, I

> have tried

> > almost every swing machine on the market and sell

> most of them

> too. The

> > problem with the original Sun Harmony Chi Machine,

> is that it is

> MLM and

> > costs more because of it. It is a great machine

> though, very good

> quality

> > machine.

> >

> > ~Karma

> >

> > chi machine

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I've had an oxycisor in my bedroom for two years

> and haven't used

> > it. Thankfully, this list is motivating me to

> put it into action.

> > How many times a day should this be used for

> best results? I

> don't

> > remember.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Sandy

> >

June 24, 2001

My wifw often wakes up around 4 AM and has a hard time going back to sleep. She

has started using the chi machine at such occasions and find it an almost 100%

successful sleep aid. After using it for about 15 minutes she feels relaxed and

able to sleep again.

moldovansandy@... wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I've had an oxycisor in my bedroom for two years and haven't used

> it. Thankfully, this list is motivating me to put it into action.

> How many times a day should this be used for best results? I don't

> remember.

>

> Thanks

May 6, 2002

Hi Kate,

A Chi Machine is a machine that you put your ankles on as you are laying on

your back. The machine shakes your ankles back and forth. Here is a link

that has a lot of information on them.

http://loaves-n-fishes.com/ChiMachine.shtml I heard about them for about

four years before I decided to try it. At first I thought I had finally

found the stupidest idea yet. But, now it is the one gadget that I have

that both myself and my highly skeptical husband use daily. He usually just

chuckles at the stuff I do, yet this one he uses too.

I use the Chi machine to shake my body. It seems to really clean the colon

well as it shakes.

Karma

> Karma,

> Please tell me more about this Chi Machine, you can email me to if you

prefer.

>

> Thanks

> Kate

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October 31, 2003

Hi all and Doris,

I'm new to the group. I've had ME for 12 years now.

I've been using a chi machine now for 1 and 1/2 years, and I

couldn't do without it. It helps reduce exercise induced muscle pain

and I can walk a bit further, also helps energy levels. Its very

very oxygenating and it wasn't long before I could hold my breath

for much much longer. Its helped my spine also as it gives a spinal

massage. I couldn't do without it. Its a good way of relaxing also.

I know of someone else with ME who has improved on one. Its not a

cure though. There's a neurologist in Sheffield advising lots of

people with neurological conditions to use them. There's a hospital

in Australia using them for treating lymphoedema.

It gives a powerful lymphatic drainage. But be warned, I started

detoxing very rapidly and could only use the machine for 1 min a day

at first, much less than recommended, otherwise I would have detoxed

too fast. I had to take extra detox supplements for a while. It

took me one year to build up to 10 min twice a day.

It is advertised as an " aerobic exerciser " which is really a very

bad description as you don't actually do any proper exercise as

such. This description could easily be misinterpreted by us MEs who

can't do aerobic exercise as it makes us worse. What it does is it

gives you the amount of oxygen you would have received had you been

doing aerobic exercise. 15 mins on the chi machine is said to give

you similar benefits as you would get walking for 90 min.

One website is www.thechimachine.co.uk

Hope this is helpful,

Carol

> Has anyone ever tried one of these and had improvement? In

general it sounds dumb to me, I would say to someone " get some

exercise. " But since we can't exercise without getting worse, I can

philosophically see that it would be good to move the blood and

lymphatic fluid. But maybe even a slow walk around the block does

the same thing?

> Thanks,

> Doris

>

November 1, 2003

Hi,

Glad to hear someone is doing well on the Chi Machine. For anyone considering

buying one, I'd suggest you try it out first to see if you can cope with it. In

Australia, they offer loan machines for this purpose. I've had a Sun Ancon Chi

Machine for about 5 years and was happy using it before my relapse of CFS/FM.

The way it works, you lie down with your feet in the grooves and the machine

moves your legs from side to side. After my relapse of CFS/FM I found that this

put too much strain on my knees and caused considerable knee pain. A friend

with lupus reported the same problem.

Jan (Aust)

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November 5, 2003

In a message dated 11/05/2003 10:45:55 AM Central Standard Time,

jackson@... writes:

> Hi Edith,

>

> Which type chi machine do you own? J.

>

Hey ,

The one my Mom and I have is a Sun Ancon by HTE. If you want to read more

about medical benefits, here are a couple of places. The first one is

Donna's.

She has taught us so much about moving the lymph.

http://www.excellentthings.com/

http://www.chimachine4u.com/chimedical.html#flin

Edith

November 5, 2003

Hi Edith,

Which type chi machine do you own? J.

Re: Re: Herx/neuropathy

Gail,

I have one for my fatigue and got my 82 yr old Mom one (I'm a distributor)

because her legs were so weak. We parked in the handicapped area at

Wal Mart and by the time she shuffled into the door, she had to sit down.

Sometimes she didn't shop because she couldn't walk. I just picked her

up off the bench on my way out.

Now she goes shopping by herself and even bought her a new cook

stove last week so she could help prepare more food more Thanksgiving.

What a change. We did have to put it on a board on her extra bed

so she could use it easier.

When you use one of these machines, it floods the bronchioles with

oxygen and then the body has to deal with all that extra oxygen so it

opens up the veins and arteries greatly increasing circulation.

I truly hope your husband has as much success as Mom. It has

also helped her to connect her thoughts and words together.

Before she had a very hard time expressing herself and 2 doctors

said she was suffering from dementia but she much, much better now.

Edith

November 12, 2003

>

>The way it works, you lie down with your feet in the grooves and the machine

moves your legs from side to side. After my relapse of CFS/FM I found that this

put too much strain on my knees and caused considerable knee pain. A friend

with lupus reported the same problem.

>

I have arthritis in my right knee, and this was a concern for me. I

discovered that if I put a cylindrical bolster pillow under my knees,

and stuck with the lower speeds, I did just fine.

--

el (andreafrankel at sbcglobal dot net)

" wake now! Discover that YOU are the song that the morning brings... "

October 22, 2004

Hi , When I first heard of Chi machines one of the stories (I never tried

to confirm it) being bandied about was that a doc used the techniqie with some

kind of heart emergency while waiting for paramedics....instead of CPR. Kind of

a fishtail action. And of course it worked ;-) SaraLou

chi machine

Hi,

I have a few things to report re the chi machine. I read everything

that everyone had to say about what the machine could do and the

potential problems with copies and started thinking (always gets me into

trouble). My husband is a diabetic, perhaps not so any longer but 2

months ago his sugar was in the 500's and he nearly didn't survive. A

series of antibiotics and antifungals slammed this problem but he was

left with neuropathy and muscle wasting, impaired circulation, foot

drop, etc, etc.

So, I'm looking at the specs of this machine thinking, we don't have the

money, how do I know it's going to do anything, and finally thought, I

can wiggle feet like that. So, I had him lay down on the couch and I

sat at the opposite end, propped his legs up into my hands and tried to

catch the right rhythm back and forth. I had to describe why this might

do something, started to describe the anatomy of the lymphatics and

cerebral spinal fluid pump and he jumped in and said oh, it improves

circulation by improving the return end of the circuit. Uh, I guess so.

My report is that it made his legs hurt (better than numb) after about

two minutes which was about all the muscle I had doing that movement

while supporting his legs. The next morning, muscle control to lift the

feet had returned noticeably after being absent for a long time. I'm

going to try to keep this up for short periods twice a day and will make

further reports if anyone is interested. Now I'm pondering how to

connect heater coils to the back of dinner plates and mount them in a dome.

October 22, 2004

Oh , you are toooooo funny.

Suggestion on the foot wiggling thing. Optimum height of the legs is

important. Eight to ten inches is good. Also the wiggle. Lots of

study on that. You have to remember that alot of research went into the

developement of this little unit. It was found that wrong heights and

wrong speeds affect the blood pressure. Their is a window of height and

speed and distance that is profitable.

You might consider a padded board set over a basket ball or coffee can

or something round the gets his feet to the right height that you can

put his ankles on and then push the thing back and forth briskly. It

could be less tiring than what you are doing, I think. also the rate of

back and forth movements is about 140, twice that of the average heart

rate. Much faster or slower has also shown to alter bp in a not good

way. You can go quite slow and it won't be a problem but if you are in

the 110 range or 160 range it can upset the heart.

The man who worked this all out is a medical doctor with over 40 years

of oxygen therapy experienced. Treated over one hundred thousand people

with oxygen. And he and his colleagues spent alot of time testing the

height, width of swing and speed of swing and found that the wrong ones

did cause problems. And all those numbers are now patented, which is

why the copies just don't work as well.

Okay. I said all that to say this, the lifting of the ankles and moving

them side to side is an aknowledged, effective massage treatment. It

even has a special name which I cannot recall right now. And it is

safe, mostly because no one could possibly do it long enough to cause

problems by doing it improperly. Dr. Inoue (In oo ay) has saved the

lives of some people who went into cardia arrest in public by just

lifting their ankles and swinging them vigorously side to side. It

really is remarkable and soooo simple. That is part of what I love

about it.

15 minutes on the chi machine is approximately equal to a 90 minute

brisk walk, as far as getting the metabolism going and upping oxygen

levels and burning calories. That alone can do amazing things for

people. Like may dad who says he as two speeds, 'slow and stop'. He

doesn't do anything in a brisk manner, so he loves the invigoration he

experiences on it.

Anyway, good job. Let us know how the hot plates work. LOL

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I have a few things to report re the chi machine.

>

February 23, 2005

Phil,

When I started treatment a year ago I was sooooo bad off and FULL of toxins

that the LLMD told me to only do 2 minutes a day and drink a glass of water

before and after. I would feel HORRIBLE about 20 minutes later - classic

die-off with achiness and fever. And it would last the rest of the day.

Yesterday I did 4 minutes. I felt yucky but not like before so I'm slowly

going up on my time. I'm so bad about not doing it every day though. I

still can't excercise so this is my only lymph movement since the lymph

massages were so expensive for us. Anyway, just my opinion.... if you feel

bad later then you've maybe overdone it and maybe try less time next time.

You have to judge how you feel. I don't mind feeling a little worse because

I know the toxins are moving out, but too much and I can't function, so

somewhere there's a balance.

Hope this helps,

Beth

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I have a chi machine I bought years ago to help with lymphatic drainage. I

stopped using ti but have resumed using. Does anyone know how long it should

be used? It has a timer to automatically shutoff at 15 minutes. I guess I'm

wondering how does one know if you've over done it?

Phil

February 23, 2005

Thanks. I'm doing about 10 minutes and really don't feel worse;am not sure how I

could feel worse. Which position do you have your arms in when using it?

Phil

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