Chi machine

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I need to communicate with Ed about his products. Perhaps our new

clinic could provide an outlet. Seems like he carries most things.

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In a message dated 06/19/2000 9:48:17 AM Central Daylight Time,

FAMANSON@... writes:

<< need to communicate with Ed about his products. Perhaps our new

clinic could provide an outlet. Seems like he carries most things.

>>

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,

Where is your new clinic?

Edith

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Erma,

No I don't but the fella I mentioned that sells the miraculous

(IMO) FIR (far infra-red) lamps also sells several brands of

" foot shakers. " He is Ed , at http://www.cerebrex.com

I believe Ed also sells zappers and such, too.

jim

Erma wrote:

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> Jim,

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> Did you tell us once that you have a good price on the machine?

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,

Ed can be contacted at webmaster@... or

arcangel@...

I don't doubt he might be interested in working with you & the

clinic. And, after two years of buying things from him,

recommending people to him and watching other consumers deal with

him on the neurotech list where I met him, I can assure any

prospective customers that he is a dream to deal with. He is as

friendly and helpful after the purchase as he is before it. And,

should there be any problems with a product he sold, he will

still be as friendly and helpful as before the sale.

That's why I reccommend him to people! And, I have seen at least

a dozen other people give him an equally hearty recommendation!

Ed is real people!

jim

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Jim. & All,

After following the discussion here re: chi machines a few months

ago and extensively considering the special deal on the Foot Shaker

which Ed extends to members of this list, I recently ordered

one of the machines from Ed.

Although I'm not sure yet if these so-called chi machines really live up to

their claims, I can vouch that the Foot Shaker is solidly engineered, and

there is certainly nothing wrong with Ed's business behavior. Jim, as you

say, Ed is a dream to deal with. Not that I doubted you, but I

could see right away why you recommend him.

As for the machine, I used it twice daily until I couldn't help questioning

whether it was providing me any therapeutic result. These days, it's hard

to find the incentive to use it. I've had the machine a few weeks now.

In some of the promotional literature, an athlete already in good shape

testifies that he experienced muscle soreness the day following his first

swing machine experience (which he, being adventurous, overdid by

doubling the recommended starting time limit of 15 minutes), as if he had

worked out heavily.

I can report no such effects (nor, really, any effects other than transitory

relaxation and slight discomfort in my " bad " knee during treatment).

I have a question for those of you who have personal experience with the

chi machine class of therapeutic unit. Do you find that the swing machine,

goldfish machine, chi machine, " Foot Shaker " type of machine actually lives

up to its basic claim? My understanding is that the claim is for aerobic

exercise. A few minutes on the machine is supposed to be the equivalent

of several miles of walking.

Comments?

Green

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Re: Chi machine

> ,

>

> Ed can be contacted at webmaster@... or

> arcangel@...

>

> I don't doubt he might be interested in working with you & the

> clinic. And, after two years of buying things from him,

> recommending people to him and watching other consumers deal with

> him on the neurotech list where I met him, I can assure any

> prospective customers that he is a dream to deal with. He is as

> friendly and helpful after the purchase as he is before it. And,

> should there be any problems with a product he sold, he will

> still be as friendly and helpful as before the sale.

>

> That's why I reccommend him to people! And, I have seen at least

> a dozen other people give him an equally hearty recommendation!

> Ed is real people!

>

> jim

>

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Green,

My personal experience is that I stopped using it for a brief

time about 3 months after I got it. Then, when I noticed my body

wasn't as comfortable, I started it up again. I have had a few

more iterations of that sort of ebbing & flowing of usage. But, I

keep going back to it and I do notice I feel better in general

when I am using it. Also, when I first got it I overdid it, and I

did get sore from the exercise. It depends how out of shape you

are.

My 82 years pld mom uses the foot shaker every day. She credits

it with several body improvements, most notably less need for her

chiropractor. Before she used the shaker she felt a need to get

her spine adjusted weekly. Now she puts it off for weeks at a

time saying, " Nope! I don't need it now. " with a big smile on her

face. SHe also says it has eliminated an ache in her right leg

that has been there for years, and has kept her from sleeping on

her right side. She says the only downside is that she is

starting to sleep on her right side now and she thinks that

might have caused the problem in the first place.

We both experienced a little knee or leg discomfort initially.

Unless there is a specific problem there, I believe it comes from

the tensions that we carry, that are eventually relaxed with

constant usage. One of the main features of using it is that its

undulating motion keeps vertebrae from becoming subluxated, or

locked together. I find my back is more limber in general, even

when I'm not using it. But, now that I have an FIR lamp, I also

believe the tensions that pull vertebrae out of place are

symptoms of FIR deficiency. At minimum, FIR deficiency is a

necessary component to most common body aches, IMO.

jim

My

green1 wrote:

> I have a question for those of you who have personal experience with the

> chi machine class of therapeutic unit. Do you find that the swing machine,

> goldfish machine, chi machine, " Foot Shaker " type of machine actually lives

> up to its basic claim? My understanding is that the claim is for aerobic

> exercise. A few minutes on the machine is supposed to be the equivalent

> of several miles of walking.

>

> Comments?

>

> Green

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In a message dated 6/20/2000 9:38:12 AM Central Daylight Time,

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<< green1 " <green1@...> >>

First time responder. I read the list all the time but have never gotten

involved before, but you are on one of my favorite topics. I am a massage

therapist and I am always interested in products that provide more oxygen. I

have personally been using the Chi Machine 11 months and I use it with all of

my massage clients . The recommendation when starting is 5 minutes at a

time the first week and build up an additional 5 minutes each week until 30

minutes at a time. You can use it as many times a day as you wish but

current research in Australia is not showing much change beyond 30 minutes at

a time. There is a measurable blood oxygen level increase after 60 seconds

on the machine. I do a lot of deep tissue work and I know it makes a

difference on opening up the tissues and making less discomfort for my

clients. I also am a distributor and I have not had any dissatisfied

customers. I work with a number of people who have fibromyalgia and it is

great for that. If you are a bodybuilder with a great sleeve and weak core,

it helps strengthen the core muscles. There are 6 companies making copies of

the Chi Machine and it is my understanding that legal action is currently

being brought against them. I know a couple of people who have bought the

off brands and found out that the lower price they paid did not make up for

the physical problemst they caused. Dr.Shizuo Inoue spent 38 years

researching oxygen and developing the Chi Machine. It gives the body the

chance to balance itself. I have been hypoglysemic all my life and have

dealt with it mainly through nutrition. Today is the first day in my entire

life (54 yrs) I have been able to fast (water only) for 24 hrs and still feel

great. I sometimes loan mine out to people and I cannot wait to get it back.

If you get involved iwith Chi Machine users, you will hear lots of healing

stories.

Ede

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How does one get one or become a dealer and what do they cost. Any website

refrerence to the manufacturer?

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Re: Chi Machine

|In a message dated 6/20/2000 9:38:12 AM Central Daylight Time,

|oxyplusegroups writes:

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|<< green1 " <green1@...> >>

|

|

|First time responder. I read the list all the time but have never gotten

|involved before, but you are on one of my favorite topics. I am a massage

|therapist and I am always interested in products that provide more oxygen.

I

|have personally been using the Chi Machine 11 months and I use it with all

of

|my massage clients . The recommendation when starting is 5 minutes at a

|time the first week and build up an additional 5 minutes each week until 30

|minutes at a time. You can use it as many times a day as you wish but

|current research in Australia is not showing much change beyond 30 minutes

at

|a time. There is a measurable blood oxygen level increase after 60 seconds

|on the machine. I do a lot of deep tissue work and I know it makes a

|difference on opening up the tissues and making less discomfort for my

|clients. I also am a distributor and I have not had any dissatisfied

|customers. I work with a number of people who have fibromyalgia and it

is

|great for that. If you are a bodybuilder with a great sleeve and weak

core,

|it helps strengthen the core muscles. There are 6 companies making copies

of

|the Chi Machine and it is my understanding that legal action is currently

|being brought against them. I know a couple of people who have bought the

|off brands and found out that the lower price they paid did not make up

for

|the physical problemst they caused. Dr.Shizuo Inoue spent 38 years

|researching oxygen and developing the Chi Machine. It gives the body the

|chance to balance itself. I have been hypoglysemic all my life and have

|dealt with it mainly through nutrition. Today is the first day in my

entire

|life (54 yrs) I have been able to fast (water only) for 24 hrs and still

feel

|great. I sometimes loan mine out to people and I cannot wait to get it

back.

| If you get involved iwith Chi Machine users, you will hear lots of

healing

|stories.

|

|Ede

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Dear Chi Owner,

I also have a Chi machine, head about 6 inches diameter. I hear there are

larger ones that give greater coverage of the body, but I expect they are

expensive. I paid 599.00 for mine retail at a clinic. I have found others

who would like to use my machine, and they have had good results I am

thi;nking about selling them in our new clinic, but I don't know the

suppliers. Could you advise.

[Guest guest]

I have the swing machine.

It has been a most enjoyable experience, and does leave you with a definite " chi

flow " sensation at end of session.

The " Action " is definitely unique, in that it is different from any other

" exercise " device I've ever used. I feel certain that it's effects are

cumulative and benificial for the legs and spine.

I find it difficult to believe that anyone would consider it aerobic as we

define it in the western world. You won't break a sweat, nor lose weight. It's

not even as energetic as Hatha Yoga, but it will work your spine.

All said, I'm very glad to have it.

Chuck

My back is computerized--it has a floppy disk!

On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:29:17 -0700, " green1 " <green1@...> wrote:

> Do you find that the swing machine,

>goldfish machine, chi machine, " Foot Shaker " type of machine actually lives

>up to its basic claim? My understanding is that the claim is for aerobic

>exercise. A few minutes on the machine is supposed to be the equivalent

>of several miles of walking.

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Jim

Went to website. Couldn't find anything on FIR. Do you have personal

experience with it?

Wong

In a message dated 06/19/2000 6:51:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

jlambert@... writes:

> Erma,

>

> No I don't but the fella I mentioned that sells the miraculous

> (IMO) FIR (far infra-red) lamps also sells several brands of

> " foot shakers. " He is Ed , at http://www.cerebrex.com

>

[Guest guest]

Wong,

I keep telling Ed about his website, but he doesn't listen. The

url for the lamps on his site is

http://www.cerebrex.com/tdplamps.html

Yes, I have personal experience. I don't talk favorably about

anything unless I do. I think these are one of the most important

inventions of the 20th century. It has made every body pain

better from every person who has tried mine. This includes

herneated disks.

Here's another good info site.

jim

Wong111@... wrote:

>

> Jim

>

> Went to website. Couldn't find anything on FIR. Do you have personal

> experience with it?

>

> Wong

>

> In a message dated 06/19/2000 6:51:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> jlambert@... writes:

>

> > Erma,

> >

> > No I don't but the fella I mentioned that sells the miraculous

> > (IMO) FIR (far infra-red) lamps also sells several brands of

> > " foot shakers. " He is Ed , at http://www.cerebrex.com

> >

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Around 100 dollars

[Guest guest]

Has anyone else out there had experience with this machine? Even with the

discount it's quite expensive!!

[Guest guest]

You think that's expensive.....in Canada it's around $900..with the

exchange, etc.....still wouldn't be without it......on

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Has anyone else out there had experience with this machine? Even with the

discount it's quite expensive!!

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....still wouldn't be without it......on

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Why? What do you particularly like about the chi machine? How long

have you had it? Have you firmed up and/or lost weight?

& , Mississippi Gulf Coast, USA

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Thanks!

I was feeling very lonely on the list today! I will look up these things so I can know better what to do.

Sincerely,~Karmahttp://loaves-n-fishes.com

Re: Chi Machine

Hi Karma,You might try Emailing Diane Clem. I know that she uses the Chi Machine.Her Email isdclem@... I looked in the archives and found a message from Barb Appel about oneof the oxygen machines it's archive #7500. Her email address is bappel@...I hope that this helps!Love, Liz ________________________________________________________________GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO!Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less!Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit:http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Hi Phil,

I use them. I started out with the cheapest version I could find which I

found in an auction at firstauction.com It is called the OxyFlow machine.

I had to watch for the auction every day for a long time before I found it

and won. I won the auction for $50.00 and bought 4 machines at that price.

The first auction site only sent me one machine and said that I didn't win

all four of the machines, I didn't save my receipt for it, so couldn't prove

that I had won all four of them. They only charged me for one of them. I

had planned on giving the other three to friends and family who would also

benefit from the machine. I bought all four of them because I had never

seen them cheaper than $100.00 and that was only once. Usually they were

more.

I was really impressed with how wonderful this machine felt. I have a low

back problem that has cost me a small fortune in chiropractor fees over the

years to minimize the pain. My low back is usually in some sort of pain.

My experience was that after my first 15 minute session on the machine my

low back was pain free! It was wonderful. I loved the energy that I could

feel move all the way through my fingertips. It is really hard to explain,

but very invigorating. I now use my machine three times a day.

I then decided that if the cheapest machine works so well, I should look

into the original Sun Harmony " Chi " machine. It is the most expensive on

the market. It is an MLM machine, so I think that accounts for the price.

I signed up to be a distributor and sell it at my cost which is $480.00. I

honestly don't know if it is worth that much more than the cheaper version.

The company says it is. I also looked into other versions of the machine.

I found several versions and now carry them on my site as well. They range

in price from $189.99 - $289.99, not including the " Chi " machine. Each of

the machines does the back and forth movement and raises that " chi " energy

to the fingertips. A lot of the difference is the manufactures warranties

that go with the machine. I sell a lot of them to chiropractors and

massage therapists. The machines have now been approved for insurance

claims so my sales increased as the time on the machine can be billed to

insurance.

If you have any other questions, just ask, I have tried most of the machines

out there and can tell you what the differences are. I still use the cheap

one, although it isn't holding up as well as I had hoped it would. It is

also hard to get. You have to order it from HSN by phone or find it on

auction at firstauction.com

Best wishes,

~Karma

Chi Machine

I've been reading on the Chi Machines that are supposed to oxygenate the

body. Has anyone used them or know much about them?

Phil

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Phil,

I think I started the swing-thing interest on the list a while back. I

have used cheap ones as well as expensive ones, and they all work as

well as each other. Some have more comfortable ankle rests. some are

built with plastic gears that will wear out. Some have steel gears that

will not, but they cost more.

The bottom line is spend as little as you can, they all work fine. Only

spend more for a better one if you are sure you will continue using it

and you want it to last forever.

jim

>

> Chi Machine

>

> I've been reading on the Chi Machines that are supposed to oxygenate the

> body. Has anyone used them or know much about them?

>

> Phil

>

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[Guest guest]

I have one and have been using it a lot. It relaxes and balances to a degree. As

for oxygenation - I don't know.

Phil Comer skrev:

> I've been reading on the Chi Machines that are supposed to oxygenate the

> body. Has anyone used them or know much about them?

>

> Phil

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In a message dated 4/25/2001 9:32:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

philcome@... writes:

<< I have been reading about the " Chi Machine " . Has anyone tried it and

what effect did it have? I've read on its physics and it is supposed to

oxygenate the tissues, increase tissue pH and cleanse the lymph system.

Phil >>

It's good and it is the same thing, as far as I can tell, as the Oxyflow,

which is available from the home shopping network (0f all places) hsn.com,

for $119 U.S. including shipping. (this was the price last year at least).

It comes with a 30 day money back guarantee.

The chi machine is like, what $250 or $300? The oxyflow is sturdily

built, very good quality. Helps with circulation and energy. Also, I loaned

mine to a friend for about 2 months and she doesn't have any health problems

and she thought that it compared to aerobics in the energy it gave her!

The really great thing about it is, you can do it if you are feeling

kind of sick (because you just lie there and *it* excercises *you*). Not if

you're real sick, say with chills and a fever, because then you might feel

worse, but using it while somewhat sick has been okay for me.

Overall, I highly recommend this machine. I got mine over a year ago

and still use it, which is high praise for any kind of home exercise

equipment! I don't have any affiliation with Oxyflow, home shopping network,

etc. I knew about the Oxyflow because someone from our local cfids group

called me excitedly about it and said it was the best thing she had tried for

cfids in years.

Anyway, I have looked into the chi machine a little bit and it seems to

me to be the same thing, so if you were going to try one of them, I'd go with

the lower priced one!

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

No surprise. Did you that some successful medical treatments are

getting suppressed in the US because they would reduce the income of drug

companies and other US medical racketeers. Ozone is successful in Europe,

but special interests in the US are paying off people from getting it

approved.

It's Alternative Medicine VS Western Medicine.

Al

Chi Machine

> . My doctor is having to

> fight her state board for practicing alternative medicine;what hypocrisy

> in the system.

> Phil

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Is the " Chi " machine the same as the " Chi Gong " machine? I have a " Chi

Gong " machine.

Michele

> I am no longer getting the daily posts;I just need a break from

this. I

> am somewhat discouraged with my lack of progress. My doctor is

having to

> fight her state board for practicing alternative medicine;what

hypocrisy

> in the system. Anway I will not trouble you with all of that.

>

> I have been reading about the " Chi Machine " . Has anyone tried it and

> what effect did it have? I've read on its physics and it is supposed

to

> oxygenate the tissues, increase tissue pH and cleanse the lymph

system.

>

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Michele

I am not familar with the " chi Gong " machine so I don't know.

Phil

> Phil,

> Is the " Chi " machine the same as the " Chi Gong " machine? I have a

" Chi

> Gong " machine.

>

> Michele

>

> Phil

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Dear Peggy,

Yes, you could say it is a form of oxygen therapy.

By the same token, taking a calcium supplement could also

be said to be a form of oxygen therapy, because ionic calcium is what brings

oxygen into the cell. That is why a lack of calcium is associated with 150

degenerative diseases, up to and including cancer.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH

chi machine

> Dear Saul,

>

> You recently advised me that a chi machine would be useful for cleansing

the lymphatic system (as I'm unable to use my rebounder). Now I read in

their literature that they call the machine an oxygenator and state that 5

minutes on the machine is equivalent to a 30 minute walk in oxygenation.

(They don't claim it has the other benefits of exercise, obviously). Would

you agree with any of this or is it just hype? If true it would mean that a

chi machine is a form of oxygen therapy, wouldn't it? And especially useful

for anyone who, because of physical limitations, is unable to exercise much.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Peggy

>

>

>