cholesterol

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In a message dated 7/20/2002 8:41:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

tofu5@... writes:

> - The doctor has put me on Zocor (40mg). I do

> > not have a high fat diet nor do I eat red meat nor

> > fry my food...

> My husbands cholesterol six months ago was 310 and

> he ate a very healthy diet. He immediately drastically

> cut down his carbohydrate intake and has not had

> alcohol since that time. Within six weeks his

> cholesterol was down to 180. The gal couldn't beleive

> it and retested it. He still is low on carbs and

> still no alcohol.

>

>

>

>

My cholesterol was at 218 in may and l started taking chitosan, lecithin and

CLA(from GNC) and l didnt change my eating habits at all. Friday l found out

my cholesterol had dropped to 200..l still have a ways to go..now l will put

more effort into changing my diet some so l can get to at least 180something.

Teri

[Guest guest]

For anyone who is on a cholesterol-lowering drug, especially women, you

really need to read a book called " The Cholesterol Myths " , which was written

by a physician who reviewed the studies that the AMA and mainstream medicine

have used for decades to " prove " that elevated cholesterol was the cause of

heart disease... what he discovered was that no only did the research NOT

support their contention, but that they even went so far as to twist the

results of the research to make it seem as if it did support their

cholesterol claims, even when it clearly showed the opposite. Studies, even

the renowned Framingham study, don't support the hypothesis that elevated

serum cholesterol levels cause atherosclerosis and heart attacks.

What was very interesting and why I said that women especially need to read

this is that research actually shows that women don't gain any benefit at

all from using statin drugs, and that the longest-lived people are older

women with high cholesterol levels - which flies completely in the face of

what Big Medicine is trying to tell us. In fact there have been some

glimmers of this in the mainstream news recently.

Here are some reading recommendations... I was able to get all these books

through my local library/internet library loans... these are links to the

books on Amazon so you can read up about them.

The Cholesterol Myths : Exposing the Fallacy that Saturated Fat and

Cholesterol Cause Heart Disease by MD, PhD, Uffe Ravnskov, Uffe Ravnskov

(Paperback)

Another excellent book on the subject...

The Heart Revolution : The Extraordinary Discovery That Finally Laid the

Cholesterol Myth to Rest by Kilmer McCully, Martha McCully (Paperback)

A third book I highly recommend for anyone who is concerned about the way

medicine is practiced in America today is:

Overdosed America : The Broken Promise of American Medicine by Abramson

(Hardcover)

And while you are waiting for the books... check out The International

Network of Cholesterol Skeptics http://www.thincs.org/

From their web site:

Aug 18, 2004: Augmented Press Release: Concerned Scientists Dispute New

Cholesterol-lowering Guidelines. Statin drug treatment carries great risks,

few benefits

(Original press release

" For decades, enormous human and financial resources have been wasted on the

cholesterol campaign, more promising research areas have been neglected,

producers and manufacturers of animal food all over the world have suffered

economically, and millions of healthy people have been frightened and

badgered into eating a tedious and flavorless diet or into taking

potentially dangerous drugs for the rest of their lives. As the scientific

evidence in support of the cholesterol campaign is non-existent, we consider

it important to stop it as soon as possible.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics (THINCS) is a steadily

growing group of scientists, physicians, other academicians and science

writers from various countries. Members of this group represent different

views about the causation of atherosclerosis and cardiovascular disease,

some of them are in conflict with others, but this is a normal part of

science. What we all oppose is that animal fat and high cholesterol play a

role. The aim with this website is to inform our colleagues and the public

that this idea is not supported by scientific evidence; in fact, for many

years a huge number of scientific studies have directly contradicted it. "

[Guest guest]

HOOray!!!!! Also Schwarzbein Principle which says if you want to have

normal cholesterol #s, eat more fats and cholesterol.

Thank you

Gracia

> For anyone who is on a cholesterol-lowering drug, especially women, you

> really need to read a book called " The Cholesterol Myths " , which was

written

> by a physician who reviewed the studies that the AMA and mainstream

medicine

> have used for decades to " prove " that elevated cholesterol was the cause

of

> heart disease... what he discovered was that no only did the research NOT

> support their contention, but that they even went so far as to twist the

> results of the research to make it seem as if it did support their

> cholesterol claims, even when it clearly showed the opposite. Studies,

even

> the renowned Framingham study, don't support the hypothesis that elevated

> serum cholesterol levels cause atherosclerosis and heart attacks.

>

> What was very interesting and why I said that women especially need to

read

> this is that research actually shows that women don't gain any benefit at

> all from using statin drugs, and that the longest-lived people are older

> women with high cholesterol levels - which flies completely in the face of

> what Big Medicine is trying to tell us. In fact there have been some

> glimmers of this in the mainstream news recently.

>

> Here are some reading recommendations... I was able to get all these books

> through my local library/internet library loans... these are links to the

> books on Amazon so you can read up about them.

>

>

> The Cholesterol Myths : Exposing the Fallacy that Saturated Fat and

> Cholesterol Cause Heart Disease by MD, PhD, Uffe Ravnskov, Uffe Ravnskov

> (Paperback)

>

>

> Another excellent book on the subject...

>

> The Heart Revolution : The Extraordinary Discovery That Finally Laid the

> Cholesterol Myth to Rest by Kilmer McCully, Martha McCully (Paperback)

>

> A third book I highly recommend for anyone who is concerned about the way

> medicine is practiced in America today is:

>

> Overdosed America : The Broken Promise of American Medicine by

Abramson

> (Hardcover)

>

>

> And while you are waiting for the books... check out The International

> Network of Cholesterol Skeptics http://www.thincs.org/

>

> From their web site:

>

> Aug 18, 2004: Augmented Press Release: Concerned Scientists Dispute New

> Cholesterol-lowering Guidelines. Statin drug treatment carries great

risks,

> few benefits

> (Original press release

>

> " For decades, enormous human and financial resources have been wasted on

the

> cholesterol campaign, more promising research areas have been neglected,

> producers and manufacturers of animal food all over the world have

suffered

> economically, and millions of healthy people have been frightened and

> badgered into eating a tedious and flavorless diet or into taking

> potentially dangerous drugs for the rest of their lives. As the scientific

> evidence in support of the cholesterol campaign is non-existent, we

consider

> it important to stop it as soon as possible.

> The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics (THINCS) is a

steadily

> growing group of scientists, physicians, other academicians and science

> writers from various countries. Members of this group represent different

> views about the causation of atherosclerosis and cardiovascular disease,

> some of them are in conflict with others, but this is a normal part of

> science. What we all oppose is that animal fat and high cholesterol play a

> role. The aim with this website is to inform our colleagues and the public

> that this idea is not supported by scientific evidence; in fact, for many

> years a huge number of scientific studies have directly contradicted it. "

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In addition to all this my cholesterol was lowered to normal when I got

the thyroid hormone I needed - one of the signs of weak thyroid function

is high cholesterol !!!!!

Kerry

Re: Re: cholesterol

HOOray!!!!! Also Schwarzbein Principle which says if you want to have

normal cholesterol #s, eat more fats and cholesterol.

Thank you

Gracia

> For anyone who is on a cholesterol-lowering drug, especially women,

you

> really need to read a book called " The Cholesterol Myths " , which was

written

> by a physician who reviewed the studies that the AMA and mainstream

medicine

> have used for decades to " prove " that elevated cholesterol was the

cause

of

> heart disease... what he discovered was that no only did the research

NOT

> support their contention, but that they even went so far as to twist

the

> results of the research to make it seem as if it did support their

> cholesterol claims, even when it clearly showed the opposite.

Studies,

even

> the renowned Framingham study, don't support the hypothesis that

elevated

> serum cholesterol levels cause atherosclerosis and heart attacks.

>

> What was very interesting and why I said that women especially need to

read

> this is that research actually shows that women don't gain any benefit

at

> all from using statin drugs, and that the longest-lived people are

older

> women with high cholesterol levels - which flies completely in the

face of

> what Big Medicine is trying to tell us. In fact there have been some

> glimmers of this in the mainstream news recently.

>

> Here are some reading recommendations... I was able to get all these

books

> through my local library/internet library loans... these are links to

the

> books on Amazon so you can read up about them.

>

>

> The Cholesterol Myths : Exposing the Fallacy that Saturated Fat and

> Cholesterol Cause Heart Disease by MD, PhD, Uffe Ravnskov, Uffe

Ravnskov

> (Paperback)

>

>

> Another excellent book on the subject...

>

> The Heart Revolution : The Extraordinary Discovery That Finally Laid

the

> Cholesterol Myth to Rest by Kilmer McCully, Martha McCully

(Paperback)

>

> A third book I highly recommend for anyone who is concerned about the

way

> medicine is practiced in America today is:

>

> Overdosed America : The Broken Promise of American Medicine by

Abramson

> (Hardcover)

>

>

> And while you are waiting for the books... check out The International

> Network of Cholesterol Skeptics http://www.thincs.org/

>

> From their web site:

>

> Aug 18, 2004: Augmented Press Release: Concerned Scientists Dispute

New

> Cholesterol-lowering Guidelines. Statin drug treatment carries great

risks,

> few benefits

> (Original press release

>

> " For decades, enormous human and financial resources have been wasted

on

the

> cholesterol campaign, more promising research areas have been

neglected,

> producers and manufacturers of animal food all over the world have

suffered

> economically, and millions of healthy people have been frightened and

> badgered into eating a tedious and flavorless diet or into taking

> potentially dangerous drugs for the rest of their lives. As the

scientific

> evidence in support of the cholesterol campaign is non-existent, we

consider

> it important to stop it as soon as possible.

> The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics (THINCS) is a

steadily

> growing group of scientists, physicians, other academicians and

science

> writers from various countries. Members of this group represent

different

> views about the causation of atherosclerosis and cardiovascular

disease,

> some of them are in conflict with others, but this is a normal part of

> science. What we all oppose is that animal fat and high cholesterol

play a

> role. The aim with this website is to inform our colleagues and the

public

> that this idea is not supported by scientific evidence; in fact, for

many

> years a huge number of scientific studies have directly contradicted

it. "

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<<HOOray!!!!! Also Schwarzbein Principle which says if you want to have

normal cholesterol #s, eat more fats and cholesterol.>>

Absolutely... the people who ate healthy fats (meaning no vegetable oils, no

trans fats, etc.) had lower levels of cholesterol than people eating low-fat

and low-cholesterol diets.

The amount of cholesterol from the diet is only about 10% of the body's

cholesterol, the rest of it is manufactured by the liver....which means that

if you ate no cholesterol at all, at best you'd reduce your cholesterol

level by only 10%... if that..... and what a lot of people don't understand

or don't know is that cholesterol is a vitally important ingredient, it is a

necessary component of hormones and other processes. When they deprive

themselves of fat, they are also depriving themselves of the essential fatty

acids and fat-soluble vitamins that they contain.

What really matters more is the type of fat you eat.... Enig is another

excellent source of information/font of wisdom on that topic... also the

Weston Price foundation.

[Guest guest]

cuz docs don't care. They may say they do, but their actions say they don't

(generally speaking).

[ ] CHOLESTEROL

I just got my blood results back. My Cholesterol has gone up from 287

to 348. I thought the Coconut Oil was to lower Cholesterol. What gives?

I don't believe in the chlosterol myth but I was just wondering why it

went up so high. I was talking to my sister this morning. Her son works

in a lab. He said it is the homosiptene (spelling?) levels that you

have to be concerned about. Anybody know how to spell that? They are

the levels that make stuff stick to our arteries. Why don't drs. ever

check that? Maybe they don't know about it.

Faith

[Guest guest]

This is so complicated to me. I really don't believe the Cholesterol Myth,

so I don't know why the high number bothers me so much.

Faith

As I understand it, it's not dietary cholesterol that raises our

cholesterol levels, but inflammation in our bodies triggers us to

produce cholesterol to repair that damage. Perhaps in changing to the

anti-candida diet, you've added some food that causes you an

inflammatory response?

sara

[Guest guest]

Faith,

As I understand it, it's not dietary cholesterol that raises our

cholesterol levels, but inflammation in our bodies triggers us to

produce cholesterol to repair that damage. Perhaps in changing to the

anti-candida diet, you've added some food that causes you an

inflammatory response?

sara

> I just got my blood results back. My Cholesterol has gone up from 287

> to 348. I thought the Coconut Oil was to lower Cholesterol. What gives?

> I don't believe in the chlosterol myth but I was just wondering why it

> went up so high. I was talking to my sister this morning. Her son works

> in a lab. He said it is the homosiptene (spelling?) levels that you

> have to be concerned about. Anybody know how to spell that? They are

> the levels that make stuff stick to our arteries. Why don't drs. ever

> check that? Maybe they don't know about it.

[Guest guest]

--- Faith <Faithiegirl538@...> wrote:

> I just got my blood results back. My Cholesterol has

> gone up from 287

> to 348. I thought the Coconut Oil was to lower

> Cholesterol. What gives?

Here is some information from a Paleo group on

cholesterol:

Marilyn > Doesn't the presence of heightened levels of

serum cholesterol

indicate that there is plaque deposition taking place

because of

arterial inflammation in the body?

High levels of small-dense LDL --- which as Todd

pointed out is

correlated with high triglycerides -- means that

damage is being

repaired somewhere in the body.

> And normal low levels mean that the cholesterol is

being utilized in routine maintenance functions

throughout the body.

Correct. Cholesterol is analogous to bandages. You

walk into a room

and there's bandages everywhere. That's a sign that

someone is not

well. You don't, by the way, give the order to

" Remove these bandages

immediately! " and expect that the patient will get

well. This is what

modern medicine does with cholesterol-lowering drugs.

It wants to get

rid of bandages instead of figuring out why the

patient is needing

bandages.

> Or, do high levels of serum cholesterol simply

indicate higher intake of dietary cholesterol?

They're almost unrelated.

It seems that the relationship between Cholesterol and

disease is complex

and not well understood. For instance MrFit (research

project) found that

for men and women over 50 there was a correlation

between higher cholesterol

levels and mortality. In other words the people with

the lowest cholesterol

died younger and the people with higher cholesterol

lived longer. The

hypothesis was that cholesterol not only relieves

inflammation in the

arteries but throughout the body and assist white

blood cells in the

isolation of foreign threats, like flu and pneumonia.

The MrFit result seem to uphold the results of the

Farmington study which

also found a relationship between cholesterol levels

and mortality. They

don't tout these results when they are advertising

statin drugs on TV or

flooding your doctors office with fruit baskets,

cookies, propaganda and

free samples.

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

[Guest guest]

Yes , Mine has gone up significantly. I went from 328 to 438. From what

I have been told, my body is making Cholesterol to help heal what is going on

in my body.

Faith

In a message dated 2/21/2006 11:20:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mary@... writes:

I'm interested to know if anyone has had a significant change in their

cholesterol level with eating virgin coconut oil.

Has anyone found their cholesterol has gone up or down?

[Guest guest]

LIPID PROFILE CHOLESTEROL 348

TRIGLYCERIDE 44

HIGH DENS LIPOPRO 121

VERY LOW DENS LIP 9

LOW DENS LIPOPROT 219

rATIO 2.9

[Guest guest]

I was just entering what was on the print out of my blood work. I did not

know how to figure it out myself. I am glad that it is in a good range. Thank

you.

Faith

In a message dated 2/21/2006 3:39:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

taurusrc@... writes:

You have divided your total by HDL. You need to divide the HDL by

the total. that comes to .3477 which is in the good range.

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm interested to know if anyone has had a significant change in their

> cholesterol level with eating virgin coconut oil.

>

> Has anyone found their cholesterol has gone up or down?

==>Hi there . I am very curious as to why you ask that question

because of the information in my main article and in our files about

cholesterol being a non-issue?

Bee

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:10:50 -0000, you wrote:

>

>>

>> I'm interested to know if anyone has had a significant change in their

>> cholesterol level with eating virgin coconut oil.

>>

>> Has anyone found their cholesterol has gone up or down?

>

>==>Hi there . I am very curious as to why you ask that question

>because of the information in my main article and in our files about

>cholesterol being a non-issue?

>

>Bee

>

I have just read the article thanks Bee. I can't site for long because

of my back problem. I guess I just wanted a shortcut.

I have a friend with heart disease who was asking about coconut oil

and cholesterol. Do you think it would be OK for her to take?

Best wishes

[Guest guest]

Jen, I don't know where I got 70%, but I've also seen 80% and then 60% -

who knows which of them is correct. Dr. Mercola says the brain

contains 60%, whereas Weston A. Price says it contains 75%. Search

either of those sites to find the articles on it: www.mercola.com or

www.westonaprice.org

Bee

Jen wrote:

>

> Hi Bee, In the " How to Successfully Overcome Candida " file, it says:

> " The brain is 70% cholesterol and it could not function properly

without it. " Could you please give me some references to where this

came from.

[Guest guest]

Jen wrote:

Hi Bee, In the " How to Successfully Overcome Candida " file, it says:

" The brain is 70% cholesterol and it could not function properly

without it. " Could you please give me some references to where this

came from.

-----

Bee wrote:

Jen, I don't know where I got 70%, but I've also seen 80% and then 60% -

who knows which of them is correct. Dr. Mercola says the brain

contains 60%, whereas Weston A. Price says it contains 75%. Search

either of those sites to find the articles on it: www.mercola.com or

www.westonaprice.org

-----

Thanks Bee. I haven't been able to find the specific info in the sites

mentioned. Maybe I am not looking hard enough? Will continue the search though.

Jen )

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

There are several diseases that can make your serum

lipemic-diabetes,pbc, lupus and others, also

medications like estrogen and steriods. Were you

fasting when your blood was drawn? Fasting eight hours

is a good idea unless they want to check a blood level

a certain amount of time after you eat. I know that

there are special centrifuges that will settle the

serum. I'm sure there are other ways they can test

also. Hope another blood draw finds things back to

normal for you. Keep us posted.

--- WOOTTEN <lindawootten@...> wrote:

> I've had an unusual change in my labs and am

> wondering if any of you have had similar results and

> if so, what your specialist has told you? For years,

> my cholesterol has been high, but it was the good

> cholesterol and this raised the total. My primary

> care ordered lab tests recently. I was stunned to

> see that bad cholesterol was extremely high, while

> the good is low. And a couple of the tests that he

> ordered could not be done because my blood was too

> lipemic. I have never heard of this occuring and

> have worked in healthcare for many years.

> Any similar experiences would be and what your

> specialist told you would be

> appreciated. I know that this now increases risk

> of heart disease. I'm already taking Zetia.

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Had to fast for 12 hrs. and not on those drugs either-I guess it's just the PBC.

Thanks for your help.

patricia bryant <auntpat5@...> wrote: Hi ,

There are several diseases that can make your serum

lipemic-diabetes,pbc, lupus and others, also

medications like estrogen and steriods. Were you

fasting when your blood was drawn? Fasting eight hours

is a good idea unless they want to check a blood level

a certain amount of time after you eat. I know that

there are special centrifuges that will settle the

serum. I'm sure there are other ways they can test

also. Hope another blood draw finds things back to

normal for you. Keep us posted.

--- WOOTTEN <lindawootten@...> wrote:

> I've had an unusual change in my labs and am

> wondering if any of you have had similar results and

> if so, what your specialist has told you? For years,

> my cholesterol has been high, but it was the good

> cholesterol and this raised the total. My primary

> care ordered lab tests recently. I was stunned to

> see that bad cholesterol was extremely high, while

> the good is low. And a couple of the tests that he

> ordered could not be done because my blood was too

> lipemic. I have never heard of this occuring and

> have worked in healthcare for many years.

> Any similar experiences would be and what your

> specialist told you would be

> appreciated. I know that this now increases risk

> of heart disease. I'm already taking Zetia.

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Bev, you were on too little Armour and then the doc switched you to

synthetics. You still do not have adrenal treatment. You will not have good

results with this, you will develop more " diseases " .

Gracia

thanks Kerry,

But mine is not coming down with thyroid treatment...

Bev

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

There is so much hype about cholesterol - its worth looking at some

other points of view on it.

Mine was high due to low thyroid and came down to normal with thyroid

hormone - The connection has been known medically for over 50 years and

is written bout in many books about thyroid conditions - its so obvious

I just can't understand why there is all this discussion about

cholesterol on this forum which is a Hypothyroid forum after all.

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Gracia,

the doc. wanted me to switch to a syn. T4 but I didn't,, but I did add

cytomel. and I'm sooo glad I did.. I can feel the difference.. I go to get

blood test I think tomarrow and if they still don't look as good as I want I'll

make changes to my meds... I'll prob. have to decrease armour again and add more

cytomel....but we'll see..

thanks for responding

bev

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

Bev, you were on too little Armour and then the doc switched you to synthetics.

You still do not have adrenal treatment. You will not have good results with

this, you will develop more " diseases " .

Gracia

thanks Kerry,

But mine is not coming down with thyroid treatment...

Bev

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

There is so much hype about cholesterol - its worth looking at some

other points of view on it.

Mine was high due to low thyroid and came down to normal with thyroid

hormone - The connection has been known medically for over 50 years and

is written bout in many books about thyroid conditions - its so obvious

I just can't understand why there is all this discussion about

cholesterol on this forum which is a Hypothyroid forum after all.

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[Guest guest]

IMO you should NOT be decreasing Armour. You should be getting cortef so you

can get T3 into tissues. Do you think your doc has any knowledge of adrenal

glands????

gracia

Gracia,

the doc. wanted me to switch to a syn. T4 but I didn't,, but I did add

cytomel. and I'm sooo glad I did.. I can feel the difference.. I go to get blood

test I think tomarrow and if they still don't look as good as I want I'll make

changes to my meds... I'll prob. have to decrease armour again and add more

cytomel....but we'll see..

thanks for responding

bev

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

Bev, you were on too little Armour and then the doc switched you to

synthetics. You still do not have adrenal treatment. You will not have good

results with this, you will develop more " diseases " .

Gracia

thanks Kerry,

But mine is not coming down with thyroid treatment...

Bev

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

There is so much hype about cholesterol - its worth looking at some

other points of view on it.

Mine was high due to low thyroid and came down to normal with thyroid

hormone - The connection has been known medically for over 50 years and

is written bout in many books about thyroid conditions - its so obvious

I just can't understand why there is all this discussion about

cholesterol on this forum which is a Hypothyroid forum after all.

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1k.

Re: Cholesterol

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Thu Aug 3, 2006 6:06 am (PST)

More Famous Vegetarians/Vegans for ya Bev......

Brad Pitt

Joaquin Phoenix

Bob Barker (price is right)

Jerry Seinfeld

Idol

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game over !LOL Really though? He didn't eat meat? Interesting!

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1k.

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Thu Aug 3, 2006 6:06 am (PST)

More Famous Vegetarians/Vegans for ya Bev......

Brad Pitt

Joaquin Phoenix

Bob Barker (price is right)

Jerry Seinfeld

Idol

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Oh that is so funny!! I forgot about that!! On the other hand, the

monster was a great sugar eater which I feel is one of the most

damaging substances you could injest and it amazes me how

many 'veggies' eat it!

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> Thu Aug 3, 2006 6:06 am (PST)

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> More Famous Vegetarians/Vegans for ya Bev......

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> Brad Pitt

> Joaquin Phoenix

> Bob Barker (price is right)

> Jerry Seinfeld

> Idol

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haha - -maybe if he'd eaten meat............

Re: Cholesterol

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Re: Cholesterol

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Thu Aug 3, 2006 6:06 am (PST)

More Famous Vegetarians/Vegans for ya Bev......

Brad Pitt

Joaquin Phoenix

Bob Barker (price is right)

Jerry Seinfeld

Idol