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you must have great genetics after all it all comes down to your genetics some

people can process all that bad fats away and remain healthy- maybe it is your

iodine or maybe it is the natural thyroid you take...

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I eat this way!

no actually I don't eat too many eggs.

Gracia

dr. atkins was not advocating only good fats- he was advocating eating bacon,

sausage and red meat which has tons of cholesterol. also he advocated eating

fatty cheeses and unlimited amounts of eggs which also have cholesterol.

he in fact DIED of high cholesterol's effects on the body.

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Quite a few I would imagine.

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don't know. one of my old neighbors died when his dumptruck ran over him.

another one had a stroke. one had cancer. they all worked hard until they died.

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and I wonder if we autopsied them how many would show lots of fatty deposits in

their arteries.....

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I think it is everybody's responsibility to do some research, on both sides

medical

and natural, and come up with what works for them. If one person for some

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does well on two pounds of sugar a day, it doesn't mean someone with diabetes

will do well. Find what works for you and stick to it.

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Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

I eat this way!

no actually I don't eat too many eggs.

Gracia

dr. atkins was not advocating only good fats- he was advocating eating bacon,

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he in fact DIED of high cholesterol's effects on the body.

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get thee some iodine.

http://www.helpmythyroid.com

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OMG, I'm ROFL. This is my diet now and I'm morbidly obese with high

lipids. I live the diet you are suggesting and I can tell you as a gal who

inherited an extremely strong family history for bad lipids, it ain't

working for me!!!!!

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happy b-day deborah

my son's b-day is 11/13.

gracia who is holding mdog and can't type too well.

seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

Not quite true I'm skinny as a rail , and eat well and I have high numbers

,exercise daily and walk 12 miles a day,lift weights etc ,but I do agree that

ppl that are HypO have high numbers or numbers out of range I DONOT eat a high

fat Diet at all ,hummmm ??? (51 years old will be 52 this month )

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oh dear! and he was the skinniest of the lot!

Gracia

one had a stroke... do you know what can cause a stroke? fatty deposits that

harden in the arteries that causes blockages which prevents the blood from

getting to the brain....

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Iodine affects genetic expression supposedly.

I think we all have great genetics, just need a little help here and there to

achieve homeostasis. Allopathic medicine doesn't look at the body this way.

Gracia

you must have great genetics after all it all comes down to your genetics some

people can process all that bad fats away and remain healthy- maybe it is your

iodine or maybe it is the natural thyroid you take...

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I never said obesity had to be a factor- it is a common factor but there are

plenty of people who have elevated cholesterol and dyslipidemia and clogged

arteries that are thin. they are the ones that are the hardest to convince that

they need to cut back on those saturated fats.

Re: Re: cholesterol

oh dear! and he was the skinniest of the lot!

Gracia

one had a stroke... do you know what can cause a stroke? fatty deposits that

harden in the arteries that causes blockages which prevents the blood from

getting to the brain....

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I just don't believe this, it's allopathic blather to me.

hope to see my mother's autopsy report soon.

Gracia

I never said obesity had to be a factor- it is a common factor but there

are plenty of people who have elevated cholesterol and dyslipidemia and

clogged arteries that are thin. they are the ones that are the hardest to

convince that they need to cut back on those saturated fats.

Re: Re: cholesterol

oh dear! and he was the skinniest of the lot!

Gracia

one had a stroke... do you know what can cause a stroke? fatty deposits

that harden in the arteries that causes blockages which prevents the blood

from getting to the brain....

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my Daughters is Nov 25 ,and my Daughter in Laws is Dec 5 all Sagtarians

,have alot of fun what a hoot (laughing ) hope your son has a great B-day

also ,opps hope he had a great b-day.have to get labs done at the end of the

Month ,will post results then ,

Got a Question what makes your eyes change really rapidly to worse in 6 -7

months ,Eye Doc says not looking to good ,jeepers. I think he is wrong,or

messed up .I have no time to read messges anymore ,to darn busy ,

I wish we could make time stop for awhile and hold onto youth ,would that

be great/fanastic .Hey! nice throught while it lasted ,I'm reading the Book

called the " Secret " super ,super Book ,very intrestering ,got to get off my

soap box now .

Hugs to all.thanks for the Birthday wish Gracia ,hope all is well with you

and everyone else ,you too Chuck .

I have 2 small dogs also 3 pds and 5 pds ,my little heartbeats and 2 large

tanks of Goldfish ( I swear these Fish talk to me ,ha !)I know my Dogs do

,well almost .have a good Day everyone

Re: Re: cholesterol

happy b-day deborah

my son's b-day is 11/13.

gracia who is holding mdog and can't type too well.

seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

Not quite true I'm skinny as a rail , and eat well and I have high numbers

,exercise daily and walk 12 miles a day,lift weights etc ,but I do agree

that ppl that are HypO have high numbers or numbers out of range I DONOT eat

a high fat Diet at all ,hummmm ??? (51 years old will be 52 this month )

Deborah

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My mom lost her eyesight rapidly when she had a pituitary tumor. It was

pressing against her optic nerve.

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my Daughters is Nov 25 ,and my Daughter in Laws is Dec 5 all Sagtarians

,have alot of fun what a hoot (laughing ) hope your son has a great B-day

also ,opps hope he had a great b-day.have to get labs done at the end of the

Month ,will post results then ,

Got a Question what makes your eyes change really rapidly to worse in 6 -7

months ,Eye Doc says not looking to good ,jeepers. I think he is wrong,or

messed up .I have no time to read messges anymore ,to darn busy ,

I wish we could make time stop for awhile and hold onto youth ,would that

be great/fanastic .Hey! nice throught while it lasted ,I'm reading the Book

called the " Secret " super ,super Book ,very intrestering ,got to get off my

soap box now .

Hugs to all.thanks for the Birthday wish Gracia ,hope all is well with you

and everyone else ,you too Chuck .

I have 2 small dogs also 3 pds and 5 pds ,my little heartbeats and 2 large

tanks of Goldfish ( I swear these Fish talk to me ,ha !)I know my Dogs do

,well almost .have a good Day everyone

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happy b-day deborah

my son's b-day is 11/13.

gracia who is holding mdog and can't type too well.

seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

Not quite true I'm skinny as a rail , and eat well and I have high numbers

,exercise daily and walk 12 miles a day,lift weights etc ,but I do agree

that ppl that are HypO have high numbers or numbers out of range I DONOT eat

a high fat Diet at all ,hummmm ??? (51 years old will be 52 this month )

Deborah

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pituitary tumor What are the Symptoms ,do you know ?

Do you mean she lost all of her eyesite if so I'm so sorry to hear that

,hope she is doing better

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happy b-day deborah

my son's b-day is 11/13.

gracia who is holding mdog and can't type too well.

seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

Not quite true I'm skinny as a rail , and eat well and I have high numbers

,exercise daily and walk 12 miles a day,lift weights etc ,but I do agree

that ppl that are HypO have high numbers or numbers out of range I DONOT eat

a high fat Diet at all ,hummmm ??? (51 years old will be 52 this month )

Deborah

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Well she had all kinds of diagnosis' like depression, restless leg syndrome,

glaucoma (that was the most stupid), asthma. What eventually led to her dx

was she started lactating. God had His hand in that since I am the one who

told the doc (we had the same one and I was in there w/1 if my kids) that

her boobs were leaking I also told him that the eye doc he sent her to

said she had glaucoma. My sis is an optometrist so we knew that was a lazy

lie. She had a mammogram that came back negative. My sis knew that there

must be a pituitary tumor. She had just had a class and talked about this.

So she went in for a MRI and it was positive. By that time, she had less

than 50% in each eye. It VERY quickly degenerated to the point that they

sped up her surgery date. After surgery, she regained all of her eyesight.

Praise GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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pituitary tumor What are the Symptoms ,do you know ?

Do you mean she lost all of her eyesite if so I'm so sorry to hear that

,hope she is doing better

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happy b-day deborah

my son's b-day is 11/13.

gracia who is holding mdog and can't type too well.

seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

Not quite true I'm skinny as a rail , and eat well and I have high numbers

,exercise daily and walk 12 miles a day,lift weights etc ,but I do agree

that ppl that are HypO have high numbers or numbers out of range I DONOT eat

a high fat Diet at all ,hummmm ??? (51 years old will be 52 this month )

Deborah

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hollyberrys wrote:

>

> Got a Question what makes your eyes change really rapidly to worse in 6 -7

> months

#1 diabetes

#2 infection (uveitis)

#3 various diseases of the eye

#4 mechanical pressure on the eye, including severe hypertension

Chuck

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Before any of you think you have won the argument on cholesterol try

looking at the message from the past:

hypothyroidism/message/20217

Pat

> dr. atkins was not advocating only good fats- he was advocating

eating bacon, sausage and red meat which has tons of cholesterol. also

he advocated eating fatty cheeses and unlimited amounts of eggs which

also have cholesterol.

> he in fact DIED of high cholesterol's effects on the body.

> Re: Re: cholesterol

>

> sorry I meant Schwarzbein

> Gracia

>

> hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the

book Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good

fats are perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle

by Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and

blames the victim.

> Gracia

>

> Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually "

caused

> by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

> prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

> excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

> drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a

risk

> factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some

> medicines.

>

> Dusty

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old studies.

Re: Re: cholesterol

>

> sorry I meant Schwarzbein

> Gracia

>

> hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the

book Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good

fats are perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle

by Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and

blames the victim.

> Gracia

>

> Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually "

caused

> by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

> prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

> excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

> drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a

risk

> factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some

> medicines.

>

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diabetes and hypertension

Hi Chuck, that is what it is then ,I have both ,jeppers bought new glasses 6- 7

months ago special lens etc,over $350 bucks now they have changed again ,worse

them 6 months ago ,ahhhhh .

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> hollyberrys wrote:

>>

>> Got a Question what makes your eyes change really rapidly to worse in 6 -7

>> months

>

> #1 diabetes

> #2 infection (uveitis)

> #3 various diseases of the eye

> #4 mechanical pressure on the eye, including severe hypertension

>

> Chuck

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Well, that might put an end to this discussion. I think we have a lot of

reading to do.

VERY interesting. Glad I have put my doctor off regarding using statins on me!

Venizia

> > dr. atkins was not advocating only good fats- he was advocating

> eating bacon, sausage and red meat which has tons of cholesterol. also

> he advocated eating fatty cheeses and unlimited amounts of eggs which

> also have cholesterol.

> > he in fact DIED of high cholesterol's effects on the body.

> > Re: Re: cholesterol

> >

> > sorry I meant Schwarzbein

> > Gracia

> >

> > hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the

> book Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good

> fats are perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle

> by Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and

> blames the victim.

> > Gracia

> >

> > Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually "

> caused

> > by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

> > prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

> > excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

> > drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a

> risk

> > factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some

> > medicines.

> >

> > Dusty

> >

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So would you elaborate on that statement. Old studies means we disregard them?

I get

nothing from your statement. Were they proven wrong?

Venizia

> > dr. atkins was not advocating only good fats- he was advocating

> eating bacon, sausage and red meat which has tons of cholesterol. also

> he advocated eating fatty cheeses and unlimited amounts of eggs which

> also have cholesterol.

> > he in fact DIED of high cholesterol's effects on the body.

> > Re: Re: cholesterol

> >

> > sorry I meant Schwarzbein

> > Gracia

> >

> > hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the

> book Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good

> fats are perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle

> by Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and

> blames the victim.

> > Gracia

> >

> > Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually "

> caused

> > by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

> > prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

> > excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

> > drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a

> risk

> > factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some

> > medicines.

> >

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janie has shut down this topic.

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> >

> > sorry I meant Schwarzbein

> > Gracia

> >

> > hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the

> book Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good

> fats are perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle

> by Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and

> blames the victim.

> > Gracia

> >

> > Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually "

> caused

> > by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

> > prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

> > excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

> > drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a

> risk

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> > medicines.

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Nancie,

You wrote:

>

> janie has shut down this topic.

Please introduce us to Janie. Does she claim to be a list moderator? The

only person to step forward for that role to my knowledge was Ira Fine.

Also, when did Janie shut down this topic? I have not seen any posting

to that effect, except this one. Finally, why?

Chuck

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oops- wrong group- got confused between thyroid groups, lol- sor

nancie

Re: Re: cholesterol

Nancie,

You wrote:

>

> janie has shut down this topic.

Please introduce us to Janie. Does she claim to be a list moderator? The

only person to step forward for that role to my knowledge was Ira Fine.

Also, when did Janie shut down this topic? I have not seen any posting

to that effect, except this one. Finally, why?

Chuck

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Exactly, thank you Chuck. are you confused with the Natural Thyroid

group? That's

that only Janie I know.

Venizia

> >

> > janie has shut down this topic.

>

> Please introduce us to Janie. Does she claim to be a list moderator? The

> only person to step forward for that role to my knowledge was Ira Fine.

> Also, when did Janie shut down this topic? I have not seen any posting

> to that effect, except this one. Finally, why?

>

> Chuck

>

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yep, lol

nancie

Re: cholesterol

Exactly, thank you Chuck. are you confused with the Natural Thyroid

group? That's

that only Janie I know.

Venizia

> >

> > janie has shut down this topic.

>

> Please introduce us to Janie. Does she claim to be a list moderator? The

> only person to step forward for that role to my knowledge was Ira Fine.

> Also, when did Janie shut down this topic? I have not seen any posting

> to that effect, except this one. Finally, why?

>

> Chuck

>

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Nancie,

You wrote:

>

>

> oops- wrong group- got confused between thyroid groups, lol-

Thank you. I was getting worried about what is left of my memory. I was

about ready to get my hair analyzed.

Chuck