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when he was autopsied they found that his arteries were occluded with

cholesterol plaques and he had many of the signs of hyperlipidemia- like fatty

liver. so if if he didn't have head trauma as you said then he would have died

from a MI.

Re: Re: cholesterol

sorry I meant Schwarzbein

Gracia

hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are

perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein

MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim.

Gracia

Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused

by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some

medicines.

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his diet also advocated eating more protein than it is recommended and many

people who followed his diet ended up with acute renal failure.

Re: Re: cholesterol

sorry I meant Schwarzbein

Gracia

hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are

perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein

MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim.

Gracia

Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused

by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

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You don't know that. You are making an assumption, unless you have the inside

track with the one above.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

when he was autopsied they found that his arteries were occluded with

cholesterol plaques and he had many of the signs of hyperlipidemia- like fatty

liver. so if if he didn't have head trauma as you said then he would have died

from a MI.

Re: Re: cholesterol

sorry I meant Schwarzbein

Gracia

hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are

perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein

MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim.

Gracia

Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused

by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some

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I do- a professor of mine knew him and thus knows the results of the autopsy.

Re: Re: cholesterol

sorry I meant Schwarzbein

Gracia

hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are

perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein

MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim.

Gracia

Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused

by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

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People who are diabetic, and on drugs for this condition, as well as

hypertension

drugs, (which many of them are on) end up with acut renal failure from the

fact that

some of those drugs destroy the kidneys. One of them was my husband.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

his diet also advocated eating more protein than it is recommended and

many people who followed his diet ended up with acute renal failure.

Re: Re: cholesterol

sorry I meant Schwarzbein

Gracia

hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are

perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein

MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim.

Gracia

Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused

by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

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The point I was making is that he didn't die of a heart attack because of his

diet,

he died of complications from his head injury. How does your friend become

privy to

the autopsy report, just because he knew him?

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

I do- a professor of mine knew him and thus knows the results of the

autopsy.

Re: Re: cholesterol

sorry I meant Schwarzbein

Gracia

hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are

perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein

MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim.

Gracia

Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused

by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

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they were friends for many years and thus knows the family. and the medical

examiner. since it was a traumatic injury they have to have a autopsy.

my point was that if he didn't die of the head injury he would have died form

the hyperlipidemia. they talked about at a medical conference I went to after

his death. it was the " big scandal " sarcastic grin. my old professor was

speaking at pri-med and he talked about it.

Re: Re: cholesterol

sorry I meant Schwarzbein

Gracia

hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are

perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein

MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim.

Gracia

Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused

by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some

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yes it can happen, so can eating too much protein. because the protein molecules

are very big and the stress out the kidney cells as they are eliminated from the

organ.

Re: Re: cholesterol

sorry I meant Schwarzbein

Gracia

hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are

perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein

MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim.

Gracia

Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused

by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

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I am willing to agree that if you do anything too much it is probably not good

for

you, But I certainly couldn't agree that I would ever be happy someone had

hyperlipidemia because he subscribed to an idea in which I didn't believe.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

yes it can happen, so can eating too much protein. because the protein

molecules are very big and the stress out the kidney cells as they are

eliminated from the organ.

Re: Re: cholesterol

sorry I meant Schwarzbein

Gracia

hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are

perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein

MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim.

Gracia

Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused

by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

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why would you be happy? why would I be happy? I don't get what you are saying.

Re: Re: cholesterol

sorry I meant Schwarzbein

Gracia

hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are

perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein

MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim.

Gracia

Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused

by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some

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DUsty, what thyroid meds are you taking? You need to eat high fiber diet

for cholesterol. Every time you eat some meat you should be eating high

fiber. This helps pull the meat through and block the absorption of the bad

stuff. Eating eggs are fine as this is a good fat. ALso, you should be

using coconut oil in place of ALL other's for cooking. Olive oil is good at

low temps. Those also are good fats. It really is the good fats and high

fibers that you should be seeking.

-- Re: Re: cholesterol

Just like the statement statins are good for you, fat is bad for is also

wrong. Dr. Atkins

died after he fell on the ice and injured his head.

If fat is bad for you and raises your cholesterol, I challenge you to

eliminate carbohydrates

from your diet except for vegetables (no potatoes, peas ,beets or corn

either) and

fruits like berries, watermelon, cantaloupe. That means no bread, corn chips

or popped

corn, potato chips, cereal and anything else that says carbohydrate.

Choose lean meat (you don't have to go nuts), fish, poultry, nuts, eggs,

cheese, cream (no milk), no caffeine, salad, (limited tomatoes) veggies,

butter, olives, oil.

Do this for four weeks and have your cholesterol and lipids checked and tell

us what you

see. Also, you will be losing weight, so I hope you are not skinny to start.

Roni

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dr. atkins was not advocating only good fats- he was advocating eating

bacon, sausage and red meat which has tons of cholesterol. also he advocated

eating fatty cheeses and unlimited amounts of eggs which also have

cholesterol.

he in fact DIED of high cholesterol's effects on the body.

Re: Re: cholesterol

sorry I meant Schwarzbein

Gracia

hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are

perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by

Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the

victim.

Gracia

Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused

by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some

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In one of your posts you stated you had a sarcastic smile when you heard about

his hyperlipedemia.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

why would you be happy? why would I be happy? I don't get what you are

saying.

Re: Re: cholesterol

sorry I meant Schwarzbein

Gracia

hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are

perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein

MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim.

Gracia

Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused

by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

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Or a plane wreck, car crash, robbery gone bad, stroke, cancer...............

.......

-- Re: Re: cholesterol

when he was autopsied they found that his arteries were occluded with

cholesterol plaques and he had many of the signs of hyperlipidemia- like

fatty liver. so if if he didn't have head trauma as you said then he would

have died from a MI.

Re: Re: cholesterol

sorry I meant Schwarzbein

Gracia

hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are

perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by

Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the

victim.

Gracia

Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused

by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

factor, along with liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes and some

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you didn't see his organs- they were covered in fatty deposits. my professor

stated. he was apparently an heart attack waiting to happen and his kidneys were

starting to go as well.

Re: Re: cholesterol

sorry I meant Schwarzbein

Gracia

hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are

perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by

Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the

victim.

Gracia

Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused

by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

drinking to excess. Generally hypo is listed after all of these as a risk

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I've never understood how a drug that is " derived " from a plant can cause so

many side effects, like headache, constipation, dry mouth, death (I could go

on and on). It just seems like you get more problems than you had before

when you take these new drugs.

-- Re: Re: cholesterol

People who are diabetic, and on drugs for this condition, as well as

hypertension

drugs, (which many of them are on) end up with acut renal failure from the

fact that

some of those drugs destroy the kidneys. One of them was my husband.

Roni

Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

his diet also advocated eating more protein than it is recommended and many

people who followed his diet ended up with acute renal failure.

Re: Re: cholesterol

sorry I meant Schwarzbein

Gracia

hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are

perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by

Swarzbein MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the

victim.

Gracia

Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused

by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

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no what I said was that at the medical conference I went too the news was like a

" scandal " - many medical professionals have very dark humor and that is what

happened. I didn't say I thought it was funny. this list group doesn't allow my

emoticons to go through so I was typing it out. oh well. that is problem with

email the true intent never comes through.

Re: Re: cholesterol

sorry I meant Schwarzbein

Gracia

hypothyroidism used to be Dxed by high cholesterol levels. read the book

Hypothyroidism: the Unsuspected Illness by Broda MD. good fats are

perfectly OK, as Dr. Atkins told us. also Swarzbein Principle by Swarzbein

MD. Allopathic medicine just confuses the issue and blames the victim.

Gracia

Is this really true? I don't believe that high lipids are " Usually " caused

by hypothyroid, though most literature says being hypo may cause it. The

prevailing factors seem to be family history, high fat diet, lack of

excercise, being overweight, age and sex (aging increasing lipids) and

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I don't believe there was an autopsy...

>

> Re: cholesterol

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20cholesterol>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:04 pm (PST)

>

> when he was autopsied they found that his arteries were occluded with

> cholesterol plaques and he had many of the signs of hyperlipidemia-

> like fatty liver. so if if he didn't have head trauma as you said then

> he would have died from a MI.

> Re: Re: cholesterol

>

> By the way, I forgot to include alcoholic beverages, ice cream,

> yogurt, sugar (of cours),

> any kind of syrup in my list of don't eat.

>

> Roni

>

> Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com><mailto:deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com>>> wrote:

> dr. atkins was not advocating only good fats- he was advocating eating

> bacon, sausage and red meat which has tons of cholesterol. also he

> advocated eating fatty cheeses and unlimited amounts of eggs which

> also have cholesterol.

> he in fact DIED of high cholesterol'

> s effects on the body.

> ----- Original Message -----

[Guest guest]

According to Snopes there was no autopsy. For some reason I cannot copy

the quote, but it's on this page near the bottom:

http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/atkins.asp

It's in the fourth paragraph from the bottom, and specifically states

that no autopsy was performed.

>

> Re: cholesterol

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20cholesterol>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:25 pm (PST)

>

> they were friends for many years and thus knows the family. and the

> medical examiner. since it was a traumatic injury they have to have a

> autopsy.

> my point was that if he didn't die of the head injury he would have

> died form the hyperlipidemia. they talked about at a medical

> conference I went to after his death. it was the " big scandal "

> sarcastic grin. my old professor was speaking at pri-med and he talked

> about it.

> Re: Re: cholesterol

>

> The point I was making is that he didn't die of a heart attack because

> of his diet,

> he died of complications from his head injury. How does your friend

> become privy to

> the autopsy report, just because he knew him?

>

> Roni

>

> Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com><mailto:deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit%40msn.com>>> wrote:

> I do- a professor of mine knew him and thus knows the results of the

> autopsy.

[Guest guest]

Why not? You are aware that many plants are poisonous, right?

>

> Re: cholesterol

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20cholesterol>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:04 pm (PST)

>

> I've never understood how a drug that is " derived " from a plant can

> cause so

> many side effects, like headache, constipation, dry mouth, death (I

> could go

> on and on). It just seems like you get more problems than you had before

> when you take these new drugs.

>

> -- Re: Re: cholesterol

>

> People who are diabetic, and on drugs for this condition, as well as

> hypertension

> drugs, (which many of them are on) end up with acut renal failure from the

> fact that

> some of those drugs destroy the kidneys. One of them was my husband.

>

> Roni

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I live in Maine. The old crusty Mainers eat and used to eat protein morning,

noon and night. They were really healthy and some of the funniest ppl I have

ever met. I have an old cook book I think it is called Maineways with some

history in it. So interesting--I think the average Mainer used to eat 6,000

calories a day. milk, cream, lard, butter with everything.

Gracia

his diet also advocated eating more protein than it is recommended and many

people who followed his diet ended up with acute renal failure.

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Yes, and I wouldn't eat THEM either !

-- Re: Re: cholesterol

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> People who are diabetic, and on drugs for this condition, as well as

> hypertension

> drugs, (which many of them are on) end up with acut renal failure from the

> fact that

> some of those drugs destroy the kidneys. One of them was my husband.

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> Roni

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and I wonder if we autopsied them how many would show lots of fatty deposits in

their arteries.....

Re: Re: cholesterol

I live in Maine. The old crusty Mainers eat and used to eat protein morning,

noon and night. They were really healthy and some of the funniest ppl I have

ever met. I have an old cook book I think it is called Maineways with some

history in it. So interesting--I think the average Mainer used to eat 6,000

calories a day. milk, cream, lard, butter with everything.

Gracia

his diet also advocated eating more protein than it is recommended and many

people who followed his diet ended up with acute renal failure.

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I eat this way!

no actually I don't eat too many eggs.

Gracia

dr. atkins was not advocating only good fats- he was advocating eating bacon,

sausage and red meat which has tons of cholesterol. also he advocated eating

fatty cheeses and unlimited amounts of eggs which also have cholesterol.

he in fact DIED of high cholesterol's effects on the body.

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don't know. one of my old neighbors died when his dumptruck ran over him.

another one had a stroke. one had cancer. they all worked hard until they

died.

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and I wonder if we autopsied them how many would show lots of fatty deposits

in their arteries.....

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one had a stroke... do you know what can cause a stroke? fatty deposits that

harden in the arteries that causes blockages which prevents the blood from

getting to the brain....

Re: Re: cholesterol

don't know. one of my old neighbors died when his dumptruck ran over him.

another one had a stroke. one had cancer. they all worked hard until they died.

Gracia

and I wonder if we autopsied them how many would show lots of fatty deposits

in their arteries.....

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