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Leah and ALL,

I know Ashton and lots of our kids have had lots of troubles with their

ears. I was wondering what advice you received. We have to go see the

pediatric ENT again Monday because we can't get Brook's ears to clear up

after 2 strong antibiotics. We tried Cefzil and Augmentin and have used

Cipro HC ear drops and now are switching ear drops to Tobradex. Anyway I'm

worried because I talked to the ENT yesterday who said we may have to take

Brook's ear tubes out if the infections won't clear up. I really don't get

how that is going to help him if he needs the tubes to drain the recurrent

infections and he can't tell me when his ear hurts. I don't want him to have

ruptured ear drums.

The dr. said it is probably pseudomonas which is hard to treat.

Thanks to all who have been through this before.

Marisa

Mom to Miles 13, Brook 10 and Genevieve 3yrs

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thats nathan's main infection, psuedomonis ear infections, and they get

restistant requiring two surgeries each time one ofr flushing and cultures

etc of the sinuses and ears, and then another to place a PIC line wich is

like a IV that goes up in the arm ending near the heart in which they will do

a very strong antibiotic for a coule days there then i have to finish them at

home, with pump whoe works, thank god im a nurse and the compnay does come by

making sure im comfy with procedure and for various other reasons its

required, But what weve found that really helps is even in the tub/shower he

wear special made ear plugs to keep everthing out of his ears, and the doc

has us blow dry by his ears 5-10 min. but nathan doesnt tolerate that well.

right now thats all for now that weve found which helps nathan some. many

prayers that she feels better soon.

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a,

Thanks for writing. That sounds really scary having to go through all of

that for an ear infection. Brook's doctor is talking about taking out his

ear tubes, because that might be the cause of the problem since it is a

foreign body. My brother in law is an ENT and he was here for Thanksgiving

and he agreed with me that it didn't make a lot of sense to take out the tube

in Brook's situation. At least he said until Brook hasn't had any ear

infections for a long time. He thinks his Eustachian tubes aren't working

yet. Meanwhile I don't know how the Dr. is going to cure the pseudomonas yet.

Marisa

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Hi Vilik, I am so not an expert here, but I have heard it said that if your ear

drum bursts that you would have a buzzing sound in your ear. I am hoping one

of the Doc will answer this, but since I haven't seen a response my compassion

urged me to throw in my uneducated opinion. I would say if your hearing seems

okay then you are okay, but best to have someone take a look if you are

concerned.

Donna

Ear Infections

Hi friends,

Thanks to all of you who have responded with ideas.

I did use h202 when the cold was about to start. I used

it three times in three hours, about 15 minutes or so

each time, till the bubbling stopped, and then used

ozonated olive oil. I got the cold anyway, so I haven't

been too enthusiastic about trying the whole thing

again for the ear infection. But according to some

emails to me I could let it sit a LOT longer in my ear.

Last night I made an oil from sesame oil and some

herb my acup gave me and garlic. It felt wonderful

when I put it in and then about 15 minutes later

one ear started hurting like crazy. Then about

a half hour later the pain cleared up. I used it

again before bed and followed with some ozonated

olive oil.

***Questions for you***

*I have read that if pain suddenly disappears the ear

drum can have ruptured. If that happened, I wouldn't be able

to hear, would I? I mean...I would know that, wouldn't I?*

*I would really appreciate anyone who has let h202

sit in there ear for an hour or more writing

to me and telling me about it.*

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> hi there, im starting my 6 month old on solids. i have read many

times that

> cereals and grains in an infant under 18 months can lead to ear

infections. i

> plan to give fruits and veggies and avocado, however i was

wondering if the

> ear infections are caused by vaccinations, rather than the cereals.

>

> can moms with unvaccinated babies let me know if they fed their

unvaccinated

> babies cereals (rice, millet, oat etc), AND if they were ear

infection free

> inspite of this. i would be so interested to hear any stories.

>

> kim

> ***********

My son has eaten just about everything except peanuts and

shellfish...although he did have shrimp the other day...he is

unvaccinated, breastfed and he has never had an ear infection in his

life. I do nothing preventative either.

christina in canada

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All 5 of mine were unvaccinated and fed the typical Gerber baby cereal.

Started with rice at 6-8 mo mixed with breastmilk. Later mixed it with

juice. If they didn't want it, I didn't force it. There's a theory that if

a baby doesn't want a particular food, then they are possibly

sensitive/intolerant of it. I liked making it thick when they were older

so they could feed themselves(practice). 2 of them had the occassional ear

" infection " ...usually I didn't even know it until well-baby check! We only

had one painful episode with ear aches as a tiny and one as a 5 yo. No

allergies here as far as I know!

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can moms with unvaccinated babies let me know if they fed their unvaccinated

babies cereals (rice, millet, oat etc), AND if they were ear infection free

inspite of this. i would be so interested to hear any stories.

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Hi Kim,

My son started with a bit of solids at about the same age (maybe more like 8

months old) and I did give him some cereals, although I mostly gave him

fruit and veggies. He has never been vaxed and has never had an ear

infection (he's now 7 years old). He used to love mashed fresh bananas ...

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ear infections

hi there, im starting my 6 month old on solids. i have read many times that

cereals and grains in an infant under 18 months can lead to ear infections.

i

plan to give fruits and veggies and avocado, however i was wondering if the

ear infections are caused by vaccinations, rather than the cereals.

can moms with unvaccinated babies let me know if they fed their unvaccinated

babies cereals (rice, millet, oat etc), AND if they were ear infection free

inspite of this. i would be so interested to hear any stories.

kim

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> hi there, im starting my 6 month old on solids. i have read many

times that

> cereals and grains in an infant under 18 months can lead to ear

infections.

Kim, hi. I'm . :) I have an almost 13 mo. old boy who had MANY

ear infections over the winter months. My mom insisted that I start

him on solids at barely 5 mos old (we were visiting her out of state

for 2 weeks), so I did. Rice or barley cereal and fruits & veggies.

He had recieved his vaccinations just 2 weeks before our flight, I

stopped the solids once we got home because he honestly did not seem

interested at ALL, and he had his vaccinations again at 6 mos., 2

weeks after we got home. From the time I started solids and he was

vaxed at 6 mos, he started having ear infections. October, November,

December, and they finally cleared up in January. He also seemed sick

more often. He recieved his 9 mo. vaccinations in Jan. and had an ear

infection within a week or 2. Since that last round of antibiotics,

we started him on solids (he finally showed a true interest at 9 mos

old) and stopped getting him vaccinated. He's been healthy as can be

ever since. No more baby cereal, no more vaccinations, no more ear

infections. :) I don't honestly know if there's a connection or not.

But I thought I'd tell you my experience. :)

~

Texas

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Two quick questions. Are you continuing to breastfeed with the

solids and is your baby in daycare? These two things are very

important along with foods and vaccination status for determining

likelihood of ear infections.

> hi there, im starting my 6 month old on solids. i have read many

times that

> cereals and grains in an infant under 18 months can lead to ear

infections. i

> plan to give fruits and veggies and avocado, however i was

wondering if the

> ear infections are caused by vaccinations, rather than the cereals.

>

> can moms with unvaccinated babies let me know if they fed their

unvaccinated

> babies cereals (rice, millet, oat etc), AND if they were ear

infection free

> inspite of this. i would be so interested to hear any stories.

>

> kim

>

>

>

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what you feed your child in his first years 'trains' his taste buds

you can start with mashed ripe banana, then sweet potatoe, then other

mild veggies

make sure you leave a few days in between each new food item and watch

for potential reactions

I've heard that the longer you wait to introduce grains (especially

wheat) the better

I never fed my kids much cereal, but when they were ready they ate the

real thing (cooked rice, millet, quoina, oatmeal)

are you nursing? do you need to introduce foods now? may I suggest

that you wait another couple of months? if you are nursing, your baby

is getting absolutely every thing they need from 'the perfect food'

I know this doesn't answer your ear infection question, but hope you

find the info useful

Kathy

: hi there, im starting my 6 month old on solids. i have read many times

that

: cereals and grains in an infant under 18 months can lead to ear

infections. i

: plan to give fruits and veggies and avocado, however i was wondering

if the

: ear infections are caused by vaccinations, rather than the cereals.

:

: can moms with unvaccinated babies let me know if they fed their

unvaccinated

: babies cereals (rice, millet, oat etc), AND if they were ear infection

free

: inspite of this. i would be so interested to hear any stories.

:

: kim

:

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My unvac. dd never had an ear infection until I stopped bfing at 3. She had

grains and cereals. my 2nd is 8 mo. and has had a little wheat bread and rice

with no problems.

L.

Proud mom to Autumn 1-13-97 & Zoe 8-8-00

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My little one is in day care part time..never had an ear infection.

christina in canada

> > hi there, im starting my 6 month old on solids. i have read many

> times that

> > cereals and grains in an infant under 18 months can lead to ear

> infections. i

> > plan to give fruits and veggies and avocado, however i was

> wondering if the

> > ear infections are caused by vaccinations, rather than the

cereals.

> >

> > can moms with unvaccinated babies let me know if they fed their

> unvaccinated

> > babies cereals (rice, millet, oat etc), AND if they were ear

> infection free

> > inspite of this. i would be so interested to hear any stories.

> >

> > kim

> >

> >

> >

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& " }

& " } can moms with unvaccinated babies let me know if they fed their

& " } unvaccinated

& " } babies cereals (rice, millet, oat etc), AND if they were ear

& " } infection free

& " } inspite of this. i would be so interested to hear any stories.

& " } kim

my son eats anything and everything i give him (and has for quite some

time), is not vaccinated, and was not breast-fed and has not had so much as

a cold so far (he is 8 months) tho everyone else in the house has *laughs*

makes me wonder...

azx

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My baby is in daycare. So are these things contagious?

>From: " Jeanne Luster " <laura_j_Luster@...>

>Reply-Vaccinations

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Re: ear infections

>Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:58:29 -0000

>

>Two quick questions. Are you continuing to breastfeed with the

>solids and is your baby in daycare? These two things are very

>important along with foods and vaccination status for determining

>likelihood of ear infections.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > hi there, im starting my 6 month old on solids. i have read many

>times that

> > cereals and grains in an infant under 18 months can lead to ear

>infections. i

> > plan to give fruits and veggies and avocado, however i was

>wondering if the

> > ear infections are caused by vaccinations, rather than the cereals.

> >

> > can moms with unvaccinated babies let me know if they fed their

>unvaccinated

> > babies cereals (rice, millet, oat etc), AND if they were ear

>infection free

> > inspite of this. i would be so interested to hear any stories.

> >

> > kim

> >

> >

> >

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Well, I waited to introduce solids and then had a child who rejected

them until 12 months and am still breastfeeding him at 18 months of

age. He was fully vaxed until 9 months of age. He was in 20 hours

of daycare per week until two months ago. Every cold he has gotten

he has gotten from daycare. Even now, I have him in the same daycare

for a Mom's Day Out program, and every one of her 6 kids got a head

cold, including mine. In my 18 month old, if a cold lasts a long

time, he gets an ear infection. I think his immune system goes south

and the infection starts because of fluid in his ears. Most of the

time, however, he fights off the infection on his own. I really try

to avoid antibiotics. It seems as if the doctor doesn't ever know if

it is viral or bacterial, just prescribes stuff.

I remember being very angry that my breastfed child would get ear

infections. But somebody told me that daycare was the worst thing

for kids who are prone to getting them. Plus, mine was vaxed for 9

months so really got most of his shots. I just never heard of a

grain connection before.

> > > hi there, im starting my 6 month old on solids. i have read many

> >times that

> > > cereals and grains in an infant under 18 months can lead to ear

> >infections. i

> > > plan to give fruits and veggies and avocado, however i was

> >wondering if the

> > > ear infections are caused by vaccinations, rather than the

cereals.

> > >

> > > can moms with unvaccinated babies let me know if they fed their

> >unvaccinated

> > > babies cereals (rice, millet, oat etc), AND if they were ear

> >infection free

> > > inspite of this. i would be so interested to hear any stories.

> > >

> > > kim

> > >

> > >

> > >

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I don't know if this is any help but my children are 2 and 3 and neither

have ever had a vaccination, an ear infection and didn't eat these cereals

until about a year and a half. They never ate them daily either. I fed

them fruits and veggies when they started solids while breast-feeding.

They now still have fruit for breakfast but we do more grains too. We try

to get our grains during the middle of our day. BTW, we eat

macrobiotically and eating grains is a major part of our diet for energy

but as I mentioned usually in the middle of the day with vegetables.

Margaret White

" Lashanna Small "

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Vaccinations

tmail.com> cc:

Subject: Re: Re:

ear infections

05/03/2001 02:36

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Vaccinations

My baby is in daycare. So are these things contagious?

>From: " Jeanne Luster " <laura_j_Luster@...>

>Reply-Vaccinations

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Re: ear infections

>Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:58:29 -0000

>

>Two quick questions. Are you continuing to breastfeed with the

>solids and is your baby in daycare? These two things are very

>important along with foods and vaccination status for determining

>likelihood of ear infections.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > hi there, im starting my 6 month old on solids. i have read many

>times that

> > cereals and grains in an infant under 18 months can lead to ear

>infections. i

> > plan to give fruits and veggies and avocado, however i was

>wondering if the

> > ear infections are caused by vaccinations, rather than the cereals.

> >

> > can moms with unvaccinated babies let me know if they fed their

>unvaccinated

> > babies cereals (rice, millet, oat etc), AND if they were ear

>infection free

> > inspite of this. i would be so interested to hear any stories.

> >

> > kim

> >

> >

> >

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Another great remedy for anybody's ear infection is a squirt of breastmilk

:-) No kidding!

Lashanna Small wrote:

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By the way, I nursed my children for a long time, the first until he was

four, the second until he was six. In fact, they nursed on demand until

they were three. And even though they went to Montessori daycare for the

socialization, etc., they did not get ear infections. My older son maybe

got one once, I'm not even sure about that. Otherwise, nada, as far as I

recall. (Forgive me if I've forgotten, but that was the early to mid 80's,

ancient one that I am!)

My children always got over whatever illnesses they got very quickly. Of

course they also were well cared for in other ways, but I attribute a lot of

it to the nursing. My older son had more vaccinations, however, and had

more health problems post nursing than the younger one, who hardly got any

and nursed longer. Sandy from Alaska

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> Another great remedy for anybody's ear infection is a squirt of breastmilk

> :-) No kidding!

>

> Lashanna Small wrote:

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I squirt it in eyes when they get yucky and it clears it right up.

The antibacterial properties in milk make it so if you pump into a

clean container you can leave the milk out for 6 hours before

refrigerating. Pretty cool.

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Mixing breast milk with garlic oil is great too. And when the milk

is gone, try Herbs for Kids Willow/Garlic Ear Oil and/or Hylands ear

ache tablets. This is how we got rid of 's recent ear

infection. I also bought an ear scope and it is best to use while

child is sleeping so you don't damage ear if they wiggle. I came

across a remedy from KAL (vitamin or health food store) that is a

chewable for stopping ear infections. The owner of the store told me

that several of the peditricians in the area were sending patients to

get the chewables ilo antibotics. I was amazed. Has anyone tried

the product by KAL?? I know that Sheri is thinking " JUST GO TO A

HOMEOPATH!!:)) I AM I PROMISE ON THE 25TH!:)))))

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PS. got her 1st ear infection about 1 week after the stupid

Prevnar vaccine when she was one year old. She had one more since

then.

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An ear infection from a long cold isnt usually the same sort of ear

infection that " attacks " the ears. Or so i am led to believe LOL...In

a cold all the mucous membranes swell up. That includes the membranes

that line the tiny tube that connects the middle ear to the

throat...the eustachian tube. This tube generally opens often when we

swallow, yawn, chew, etc. It opens up to equalize the pressure in the

middle ear to the outside world. If it doesnt for awhile..and the

middle ear becomes sealed off then the cells that line the walls of

the middle ear will " use up " or absorb some of the oxygen and other

gases that are in the middle ear from the outside world. When this

happens, a negative pressure is formed within the middle ear....when

that happens the negative pressure starts to draw out some of the

fluid that is found within and around the cells of the middle ear.

This fluid is what fills the middle ear. When one has a cold, the

pressure just doesnt equalize very well. So sometimes, the virus or

bacteria involved in an ear infection following the cold...means

treating the cold and waiting for the resolve of the eustachian tube

function again....this can actually take months to resolve. The

membranes are very sensitive and the tube itself is very narrow....it

doesnt take much to block it.

in Canada

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> > > > hi there, im starting my 6 month old on solids. i have read

many

> > >times that

> > > > cereals and grains in an infant under 18 months can lead to

ear

> > >infections. i

> > > > plan to give fruits and veggies and avocado, however i was

> > >wondering if the

> > > > ear infections are caused by vaccinations, rather than the

> cereals.

> > > >

> > > > can moms with unvaccinated babies let me know if they fed

their

> > >unvaccinated

> > > > babies cereals (rice, millet, oat etc), AND if they were ear

> > >infection free

> > > > inspite of this. i would be so interested to hear any stories.

> > > >

> > > > kim

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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my baby is unvaccnated and she seems to be suffering from an ear infection.

>From: radiantmother@...

>Reply-Vaccinations

>Vaccinations

>Subject: ear infections

>Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 07:50:42 EDT

>

>hi there, im starting my 6 month old on solids. i have read many times that

>cereals and grains in an infant under 18 months can lead to ear infections.

>i

>plan to give fruits and veggies and avocado, however i was wondering if the

>ear infections are caused by vaccinations, rather than the cereals.

>

>can moms with unvaccinated babies let me know if they fed their

>unvaccinated

>babies cereals (rice, millet, oat etc), AND if they were ear infection free

>inspite of this. i would be so interested to hear any stories.

>

>kim

>

>

>

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i am pretty sure my baby 5 mo old has an ear infection. crying oulling at

ear etc no fever. i went and got mullein with hypercuium. what do you ladies

think a about this? the herbalist at the living naturally store

recommended it

Amy

ohio

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