Larry King Live

[Guest guest]

Did anyone else in the group watch Larry King Live last night, Tuesday,

August 29th? We were scanning channels around 9-10 pm and saw they had an

arthritis panel (2 Olympic winners for Vioxx, Actor/Director for a Health

Food Supplement) and a rheumalogist. I didn't get to see whole show, but JRA

was mentioned once. Doctor even said how Rheumatoid Arthritis is a

daily/every moment kind of pain -- not like Osteoarthritis, which is mainly

pain just when you move.

Sandi A. (Ashli's mom)

[Guest guest]

What a bunch of lies. Larry King asked about vaccine reactions and Bob

Kramer said there had been only minor reactions, bumps on the arm. Hey Bob,

people are deathly sick and some have been killed because of the crap you

are pushing. I wish Larry King had asked good ol Bob if he has taken the

vaccine. Larry King needs to be educated. He asked some good questions but

he could have asked more if he had been armed with the right information.

----- Original Message -----

From: barb dunn <gunther611@...>

> It is midnight in the east and on Larry King live is Rep. Shays, Bob

Kramer from Bioport and tommy HHS Secretary. Hope you guys get to

see this.

[Guest guest]

All of CNN needs educated on Anthrax.

Dr. Cohen said there are 18 safe studies of Anthrax about 20

times in the last week.

I think it is time we start e mailing them and letting them have the facts

or at least ask them to show the 18 studies on their site.

Thanks

Maureen

Re: Larry King Live

> What a bunch of lies. Larry King asked about vaccine reactions and Bob

> Kramer said there had been only minor reactions, bumps on the arm. Hey

Bob,

> people are deathly sick and some have been killed because of the crap you

> are pushing. I wish Larry King had asked good ol Bob if he has taken the

> vaccine. Larry King needs to be educated. He asked some good questions but

> he could have asked more if he had been armed with the right information.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: barb dunn <gunther611@...>

>

> > It is midnight in the east and on Larry King live is Rep. Shays, Bob

> Kramer from Bioport and tommy HHS Secretary. Hope you guys get

to

> see this.

[Guest guest]

I have already emailed CNN and all I got in return was a confirmation email.

I have not heard anything more. I have emailed several other news shows as

well and it doesn't seem that anyone is interested in the ones that got sick

from the vaccination. It is very frustrating. I encourage everyone else to

continue to email though, maybe they will start listening.

Kristi Cradit

Re: Larry King Live

>

[Guest guest]

Personally, I thought Larry King did a lousy job of asking questions of

BioPort...came out more like an infomercial, in my opinion.

[Guest guest]

Just as an FYI, most folks do not have any idea what they are talking about if

it is not in their feild of knowledge, and, let's face it...Anthrax is not the

usual subject around the dinner table. That said, one has only to roblems faced

right after the Tokyo subway attack using Sarin gas....immediately afterwards,

several websites were devoted to selling antibiotics for a " ...Sarin

infection... " . Since it is a nerve gas, no antibiotic will work in the ways

described on these websites, yet people bought thousands of dollars worth of

this worthless crap in just a few hours.

What we need is a website with the original documents put out there for all to

see, and let the people make their own decisions. I and others have given loads

of documents to the cause, hoping that they would find their way out to the net,

yet I have not seen them posted....it would help alot to release them

publically, en mass, if only to make the point that there actually is SO much

evidence of what we have been saying for so very long.

It also would help for folks to remember that this is only the latest of

attempts by DOD to do this kind of thing....I received an altered version of the

Anthrax vaccine in 1990, when deploying to Desert Shield, and my entire unit was

made very ill by the shot....seems everyone has forgotten that this has already

happened many times.

In 1990, Project Badger was re-enacted, and the FDA/DOD memorandum of

understanding of 1987 was invoked...if you need a copy of it, let me know. The

M.O.U. of 1987 states that FDA has given over its ability as oversight of DOD

to....none other than DOD !!! FDA has no power overt DOD any more, and unless

we slam them over this, we will only get more lip service.

Jim Brown

Re: Larry King Live

> What a bunch of lies. Larry King asked about vaccine reactions and Bob

> Kramer said there had been only minor reactions, bumps on the arm. Hey Bob,

> people are deathly sick and some have been killed because of the crap you

> are pushing. I wish Larry King had asked good ol Bob if he has taken the

> vaccine. Larry King needs to be educated. He asked some good questions but

> he could have asked more if he had been armed with the right information.

>

[Guest guest]

What is everyone's take on the Larry King Live show with McCarthy

and Halle Pete?

I was pretty frustrated to hear the docter refer to our kids as " Broken

Children " and the other comment was from about curing her son of

Autism. Autism is a neurological disorder that is not

tecnically " curable " but is treatable.

I was also listening to them talk about how the MMR shot, and the

immunitizations were the causes of autism. I went to the FDA website

and the MMR has NEVER contained Thimersoal. Also all other

immunitizations have phased out the thimersoal starting in 1999, and

most of them are free of mercury or never had it.

I wanted imput from everyone here, because I feel like you will all

give me great imput on what you think. Thanks!

Chelle

[Guest guest]

I guess part of my problem with Dr. Kartzinel is just that I don't

really see my son as broken, but different. I did listen to the clip

again and she did say recovered, so I have to back away from that

issue there. My only reason for saying anything about the MMR is that

I keep hearing people blame the mercury in the MMR for their kids

being autistic, and the MMR does not contain any. I do think that we

need to have research on the issue of the viral load and overloading

our kids immune systems. That just seems to be a far more likely

cause, and if that is the cause I belive that we need to spread out

the immunitizations better so they are not getting so much at one.

Thanks for the feedback.

>

> I agreed with Dr. Kartzinel -- my thoughts are that these kids do

have

> some broken mechanisms in their body, things that don't work right

for

> one way or another. But, it may be because I see my son have a ton

of

> intestinal issues, rashes, aches, etc., that can't be explained,

and

> many, many children on the spectrum face similar issues. Dr.

Kartzinel

> is an amazing man, very much on our side, so I'd have a hard time

> feeling bad about the fact he's getting awareness out there.

Honestly,

> personally? I don't get caught up in the semantics. My son has

issues,

> and I don't care if he's referred to as autistic, which is the

peeve I

> have with Holly -Peete; she can feel that way about her

son, but

> to say that it's the wrong vernacular is misrepresentation, imo. I

say

> my son 'is autistic' sometimes, but I don't say he is " an

autistic. " My

> daughter is epileptic, it's true, it's factual, I can't be bothered

by

> that. It's just words.

>

> also never says she 'cured' her son. She says she recovered

him.

> You probably heard her bus analogy -- you get hit by a bus, you'll

never

> be cured, you'll always have aches, pains, scars, but you can

recover.

>

> The thing with the MMR shot is that it's a huge dose of vaccine on

a

> body that is still growing and the mixture can be dangerous to a

child

> who cannot process the viral/toxic loads as bodies are supposed to.

> (Which explains why not every child gets autism after having

vaccines.

> Most children can process the loads fine, but toxins increase, the

> number of children who can't process the increased toxins is

growing at

> a scary epidemic rate.)

>

> Be careful to just research the FDA and government sites. It makes

sense

> that they aren't going to show the side-effects, unless they are in

> small print and hard to find. And a 'trace' of thimerasol can still

be

> WAY more than a tiny body can process per pound.

>

> And last -- Thimerasol was 'recommended' to be phased out in 1999,

but

> because it preserves vaccines for years, those vaccines that

weren't yet

> used stayed on the shelf for years later because they weren't yet

> expired, so while new ones weren't made, those ones with thimerasol

> still remained.

>

> Thimerasol/vaccines aren't the sole reason for autism, they are

just one

> of the most common ones -- pesticides, medications, etc., there's a

lot

> of toxins out there contributing to it all.

>

> Hope that helps!

> Donna

>

[Guest guest]

's pediatrician wants to give her the meningitis vaccine and the new one for young girls. Should I be concerned at all?

Deb

In a message dated 10/24/2007 10:34:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrathswohl@... writes:

I guess part of my problem with Dr. Kartzinel is just that I don't really see my son as broken, but different. I did listen to the clip again and she did say recovered, so I have to back away from that issue there. My only reason for saying anything about the MMR is that I keep hearing people blame the mercury in the MMR for their kids being autistic, and the MMR does not contain any. I do think that we need to have research on the issue of the viral load and overloading our kids immune systems. That just seems to be a far more likely cause, and if that is the cause I belive that we need to spread out the immunitizations better so they are not getting so much at one. Thanks for the feedback. >> I agreed with Dr. Kartzinel -- my thoughts are that these kids do have > some broken mechanisms in their body, things that don't work right for > one way or another. But, it may be because I see my son have a ton of > intestinal issues, rashes, aches, etc., that can't be explained, and > many, many children on the spectrum face similar issues. Dr. Kartzinel > is an amazing man, very much on our side, so I'd have a hard time > feeling bad about the fact he's getting awareness out there. Honestly, > personally? I don't get caught up in the semantics. My son has issues, > and I don't care if he's referred to as autistic, which is the peeve I > have with Holly -Peete; she can feel that way about her son, but > to say that it's the wrong vernacular is misrepresentation, imo. I say > my son 'is autistic' sometimes, but I don't say he is "an autistic." My > daughter is epileptic, it's true, it's factual, I can't be bothered by > that. It's just words.> > also never says she 'cured' her son. She says she recovered him. > You probably heard her bus analogy -- you get hit by a bus, you'll never > be cured, you'll always have aches, pains, scars, but you can recover.> > The thing with the MMR shot is that it's a huge dose of vaccine on a > body that is still growing and the mixture can be dangerous to a child > who cannot process the viral/toxic loads as bodies are supposed to. > (Which explains why not every child gets autism after having vaccines. > Most children can process the loads fine, but toxins increase, the > number of children who can't process the increased toxins is growing at > a scary epidemic rate.)> > Be careful to just research the FDA and government sites. It makes sense > that they aren't going to show the side-effects, unless they are in > small print and hard to find. And a 'trace' of thimerasol can still be > WAY more than a tiny body can process per pound.> > And last -- Thimerasol was 'recommended' to be phased out in 1999, but > because it preserves vaccines for years, those vaccines that weren't yet > used stayed on the shelf for years later because they weren't yet > expired, so while new ones weren't made, those ones with thimerasol > still remained.> > Thimerasol/vaccines aren't the sole reason for autism, they are just one > of the most common ones -- pesticides, medications, etc., there's a lot > of toxins out there contributing to it all.> > Hope that helps!> Donna>

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[Guest guest]

I also had issues with the piece in general. Our kids aren't " broken "

imo. they are different yes, but broken, no. They have their issues,

just like many many other people. For example, no one would dare say

someone with diabetes or cancer is " broken " , they just have a medical

problem. Yes both are " treatable " just like as/asd but neither is

Curable YET. Just like there is no magic cure for our kids. Im sure

there will be one day, but what does that mean for our society as a

whole? Where would we be if we didnt have some of the more well known

ASD figures from our past? I don't mean to make this a should we or

shouldnt we use a cure type response, i am just stating my personal belief.

As for the MMR, I also googled it. Here's something interesting, there

is NOTHING on the internet that is prior to 2000. In 1999 is when all

of this really hit a head with the MMR and mercury. All vaccines were

to have mercury removed by 2000-2001? However, most (only 1 I found

that does not fit this statement) flu vaccines still contain Mercury.

DTap, Hib, and several other of the common peds vaccines still contain

Mercury. One of which is a shot they give babies who are minutes to

hours old. The reason I state this is because, Merck has completely

wiped out all data prior to the removal of the mercury from this

vaccine. However, if you look very closely at the patient/doctor

information, they list no preservatives, but state that it is good for

18 months??? now I am not a doctor, but I was premed in college.

Nothing like this lasts for 18 months without preservatives (which is

why the mercury was there.) Also, they are very vague on what is in the

vaccines (example, they list that it has " other agents " etc in several

places). My question is what are they trying to hide??? The fact that

they do in fact still use things that per Federal Law they cannot use in

a vaccine given to children? These are just my opinion, and the

questions I ask myself. Right now my main question is this, my younger

son will have to be vaccinated again in the next year for kindergarten,

which means up to 5 injections for various vaccines. Now I will tell

them they need to have non-mercury thermisal vaccines for him, but will

I end up with another son with an ASD??? In my state, you cannot choose

not to vaccinate for any reason other than religious. As both of my

kids have already been vaccinated I cannot use this, as it has to be

your belief prior to the child having the first vaccination. They can

and do arrest you in this state and remove your children if you do not

vaccinate. So I have no choice and I'm not happy about it. I would not

vaccinate him, nor would I allow my 7 yr old aspie son to be vaccinated

again if I had that option. Neither have ever, nor will they ever,

receive the Flu vaccine. And luckily both of my children are boys so I

don't have to worry about the HPV vaccine (which they are trying to make

mandatory for 5th graders in my state, even with all of the problems etc

with this vaccine).

wrote:

>

> I guess part of my problem with Dr. Kartzinel is just that I don't

> really see my son as broken, but different. I did listen to the clip

> again and she did say recovered, so I have to back away from that

> issue there. My only reason for saying anything about the MMR is that

> I keep hearing people blame the mercury in the MMR for their kids

> being autistic, and the MMR does not contain any. I do think that we

> need to have research on the issue of the viral load and overloading

> our kids immune systems. That just seems to be a far more likely

> cause, and if that is the cause I belive that we need to spread out

> the immunitizations better so they are not getting so much at one.

> Thanks for the feedback.

>

>

>

> >

> > I agreed with Dr. Kartzinel -- my thoughts are that these kids do

> have

> > some broken mechanisms in their body, things that don't work right

> for

> > one way or another. But, it may be because I see my son have a ton

> of

> > intestinal issues, rashes, aches, etc., that can't be explained,

> and

> > many, many children on the spectrum face similar issues. Dr.

> Kartzinel

> > is an amazing man, very much on our side, so I'd have a hard time

> > feeling bad about the fact he's getting awareness out there.

> Honestly,

> > personally? I don't get caught up in the semantics. My son has

> issues,

> > and I don't care if he's referred to as autistic, which is the

> peeve I

> > have with Holly -Peete; she can feel that way about her

> son, but

> > to say that it's the wrong vernacular is misrepresentation, imo. I

> say

> > my son 'is autistic' sometimes, but I don't say he is " an

> autistic. " My

> > daughter is epileptic, it's true, it's factual, I can't be bothered

> by

> > that. It's just words.

> >

> > also never says she 'cured' her son. She says she recovered

> him.

> > You probably heard her bus analogy -- you get hit by a bus, you'll

> never

> > be cured, you'll always have aches, pains, scars, but you can

> recover.

> >

> > The thing with the MMR shot is that it's a huge dose of vaccine on

> a

> > body that is still growing and the mixture can be dangerous to a

> child

> > who cannot process the viral/toxic loads as bodies are supposed to.

> > (Which explains why not every child gets autism after having

> vaccines.

> > Most children can process the loads fine, but toxins increase, the

> > number of children who can't process the increased toxins is

> growing at

> > a scary epidemic rate.)

> >

> > Be careful to just research the FDA and government sites. It makes

> sense

> > that they aren't going to show the side-effects, unless they are in

> > small print and hard to find. And a 'trace' of thimerasol can still

> be

> > WAY more than a tiny body can process per pound.

> >

> > And last -- Thimerasol was 'recommended' to be phased out in 1999,

> but

> > because it preserves vaccines for years, those vaccines that

> weren't yet

> > used stayed on the shelf for years later because they weren't yet

> > expired, so while new ones weren't made, those ones with thimerasol

> > still remained.

> >

> > Thimerasol/vaccines aren't the sole reason for autism, they are

> just one

> > of the most common ones -- pesticides, medications, etc., there's a

> lot

> > of toxins out there contributing to it all.

> >

> > Hope that helps!

> > Donna

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Please google Gardisil. There has been alot of contraversy over this

vaccine, and it causing problems for young girls. The choice is yours.

Speaking as one with some experience, weigh your choice on this VERY

carefully. I personally never was " at risk " for HPV. I always used

protection etc. My x-husband did not tell me until several months after

we were married that his x-girlfriend/mother of his older son, had HPV.

This was at the same time that I stated having paps come back abnormal.

Yes it was definately from him, yes he gave it to me. Now that said, I

have had to have more Very painful procedures done than I care to count,

including losing 1/2 of my cervix at the age of 25. I also was forced to

have a complete hysterectomy at the age of 30 because the cervical

cancer caused by the HPV he gave me came back after removing part of my

cervix, and it was showing the potential to spread to my uterus and

ovaries. HPV is not something to mess around with, however, look at all

the data on the vaccine and weigh your choices. Personally, I would not

wish any of what I had to go through on anyone. As I said HPV can happen

to even the most careful person, it happened to me.

here is just one article you can start with:

http://www.nvic.org/PressReleases/pr62706gardasil.htm

*Washington, D.C.* - The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is

calling on the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)

<http://www.cdc.gov/nip/acip/agendas/agenda-jun06.pdf> to just say " no "

on June 29 to recommending " universal use " of Merck's Gardasil vaccine

in all pre-adolescent girls. NVIC maintains that Merck's clinical trials

did not prove the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine designed to prevent

cervical cancer and genital warts is safe to give to young girls.

" Merck and the FDA have not been completely honest with the people about

the pre-licensure clinical trials, " said NVIC president Barbara Loe

Fisher. " Merck's pre and post-licensure marketing strategy has

positioned mass use of this vaccine by pre-teens as a morality play in

order to avoid talking about the flawed science they used to get it

licensed. This is not just about teenagers having sex, it is also about

whether Gardasil has been proven safe and effective for little girls. "

The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing

placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a

non-reactive saline solution placebo.[1

<http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf>]

A reactive placebo can artificially increase the appearance of safety of

an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial. Gardasil contains

225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have been used in

vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in clinical

trials. Merck and the FDA did not disclose how much aluminum was in the

placebo.[2]

<http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf>

Animal and human studies have shown that aluminum can cause nerve cell

death [3

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstr\

act & list_uids=11470317 & query_hl=3 & itool=pubmed_DocSum>]

and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to enter the

brain, [4

<http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/aluminumvaccines.htm> 5

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstr\

act & list_uids=7946900 & query_hl=10 & itool=pubmed_docsum>]

as well as cause inflammation at the injection site leading to chronic

joint and muscle pain and fatigue. [6

<http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/124/9/1821> 7

<http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/183_03_010805/shi10067_fm.html>]

Nearly 90 percent of Gardasil recipients and 85 percent of aluminum

placebo recipients followed-up for safety reported one or more adverse

events within 15 days of vaccination, particularly at the injection

site.[8

<http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B1.pdf>] Pain

and swelling at injection site occurred in approximately 83 percent of

Gardasil and 73 percent of aluminum placebo recipients. About 60 percent

of those who got Gardasil or the aluminum placebo had systemic adverse

events including headache, fever, nausea, dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea,

myalgia. [9

<http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf>

10 <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf>]

Gardasil recipients had more serious adverse events such as headache,

gastroenteritis, appendicitis, pelvic inflammatory disease, asthma,

bronchospasm and arthritis.

" Merck and the FDA do not reveal in public documents exactly how many 9

to 15 year old girls were in the clinical trials, how many of them

received hepatitis B vaccine and Gardasil simultaneously, and how many

of them had serious adverse events after being injected with Gardasil or

the aluminum placebo. For example, if there were less than 1,000 little

girls actually injected with three doses of Gardasil, it is important to

know how many had serious adverse events and how long they were followed

for chronic health problems, such as juvenile arthritis. "

According to the Merck product manufacturer insert, there was 1 case of

juvenile arthritis, 2 cases of rheumatoid arthritis, 5 cases of

arthritis, and 1 case of reactive arthritis out of 11,813 Gardasil

recipients plus 1 case of lupus and 2 cases of arthritis out of 9,701

participants primarily receiving an aluminum containing placebo.

Clinical trial investigators dismissed most of the 102 Gardasil and

placebo associated serious adverse events, including 17 deaths, that

occurred in the clinical trials as unrelated.

" There is too little long term safety and efficacy data, especially in

young girls, and too little labeling information on contraindications

for the CDC to recommend Gardasil for universal use, which is a signal

for states to mandate it, " said Fisher. " Nobody at Merck, the CDC or FDA

know if the injection of Gardasil into all pre-teen girls - especially

simultaneously with hepatitis B vaccine - will make some of them more

likely to develop arthritis or other inflammatory autoimmune and brain

disorders as teenagers and adults. With cervical cancer causing about

one percent of all cancer deaths in American women due to routine pap

screening, it was inappropriate for the FDA to fast track Gardasil. It

is way too early to direct all young girls to get three doses of a

vaccine that has not been proven safe or effective in their age group. "

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), founded in 1982 by

parents of vaccine injured children, has been a leading critic of

one-size-fits-all mass vaccination policies and the lack of basic

science research into biological mechanisms and high risk factors for

vaccine-induced brain and immune system dysfunction. As a member of the

FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee

(VRBPAC), Barbara Loe Fisher urged trials include adequate safety data

on pre-adolescent children and warned against fast tracking Gardasil at

the November 28-29, 2001 VRBPAC meeting .[11

<http://www.nvic.org/Barbara%20Nov%2029%202001%20Meeting%20.pdf>]

Full 2001 FDA Transcript:

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber01.htm#Vaccines & Related

Biological

<http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber01.htm#Vaccines%20 & %20Related%20Biologi\

cal>

For more information go to www.NVIC.org <http://www.NVIC.org>.

-end-

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18, 2006. FDA Background Document for Vaccines and Related Biological

Products Advisory Committee: Gardasil HPV Quadrivalent Vaccine.

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primary cultured neurons and on the aggregation of betamyloid protein.

/Brain Res. Bull.

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10. Food and Drug Administration.

<http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf> May

18, 2006. FDA Background Document for Vaccines and Related Biological

Products Advisory Committee.: Gardasil. Table 32.

11. Food and Drug Administration.

<http://www.nvic.org/Barbara%20Nov%2029%202001%20Meeting%20.pdf>

November 29, 2001. Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory

Committee. Excerpt from transcript.

Here is another: this one also has a video with a mother's story about

what happened to her daughter.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/09/27/gardasil-new-video\

-reveals-hidden-dangers.aspx

Dr. Mercola Dr. Mercola's Comments:

This video provides an excellent, though tragic, example of why it’s

essential to do your homework before submitting yourself or your child

to a vaccination.

In the case of Gardasil, which is, according to this video, the world’s

first genetically altered vaccine, the evidence stacking up against this

vaccine is striking.

As of August 2007, a review of the National Vaccine Information Center

revealed the following, quite alarming, statistic about this unnecessary

vaccine: 2,207 adverse reactions to Gardasil

<http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Gardasil-Reactions-and-Deaths-on-the-Ris\

e-29768.aspx>

have been reported. Among them:

* 5 girls died

* 31 were considered life-threatening

* 1,385 required a visit to the emergency room

* 451 of the girls have not recovered as of July 2007

* 51 of the girls were disabled

This vaccine is also the most expensive vaccine on the market, so you

can follow the money trail to find out why Merck is now trying to push

this cervical cancer vaccine on boys

<http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/09/18/absurd-vaccine-ma\

rketing-cervical-cancer-vaccinations-for-boys.aspx>!

Getting the Facts About HPV

Health care officials and the media are portraying Gardasil as the

long-awaited cure for cervical cancer, and they’re telling people that

the side effects are minimal.

However, the side effects of this brand-new vaccine are just beginning

to surface, and as time goes by, their severity seems to be increasing.

Further, while cervical cancer is a serious issue, it is not the

epidemic that the media is portraying it to be

<http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/The-Deception-Behind-HPV-Infection-Rates\

-That-Sells-Unnecessary-Vaccines-6574.aspx>.

Of the more than 6 million cases of HPV that occur each year, about 90

percent of them clear up on their own within two years. If you eat

right, exercise, and keep stress in your life under control

<http://www.mercola.com/forms/eftcourse1.htm>, your immune system should

be healthy enough to clear up HPV. Secondly, the vaccine is not

fool-proof. You can still get " non-vaccine " types of HPV even if you get

vaccinated.

Finally, remember that HPV is a sexually transmitted disease, which

means that it is nearly 100 percent avoidable by modifying your

lifestyle habits.

If you have friends of family members who are considering the Gardasil

vaccine for their daughter (or son), please forward this video to them

so they can make an informed decision.

[Guest guest]

Well, that was an eye-opener! I don't think that I will be getting this for ! two pediatricians have recommended it. But I think we will be safe without it!

What about the meningitis vaccine? I heard that she will have to get it for college if she doesn't get it now. My mom died from meningitis 8 years ago.

Deb

In a message dated 10/24/2007 11:15:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aschristensen@... writes:

Please google Gardisil. There has been alot of contraversy over this vaccine, and it causing problems for young girls. The choice is yours. Speaking as one with some experience, weigh your choice on this VERY carefully. I personally never was "at risk" for HPV. I always used protection etc. My x-husband did not tell me until several months after we were married that his x-girlfriend/mother of his older son, had HPV. This was at the same time that I stated having paps come back abnormal. Yes it was definately from him, yes he gave it to me. Now that said, I have had to have more Very painful procedures done than I care to count, including losing 1/2 of my cervix at the age of 25. I also was forced to have a complete hysterectomy at the age of 30 because the cervical cancer caused by the HPV he gave me came back after removing part of my cervix, and it was showing the potential to spread to my uterus and ovaries. HPV is not something to mess around with, however, look at all the data on the vaccine and weigh your choices. Personally, I would not wish any of what I had to go through on anyone. As I said HPV can happen to even the most careful person, it happened to me.here is just one article you can start with:http://www.nvic.org/PressReleases/pr62706gardasil.htm*Washington, D.C.* - The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is calling on the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) <http://www.cdc.gov/nip/acip/agendas/agenda-jun06.pdf> to just say "no" on June 29 to recommending "universal use" of Merck's Gardasil vaccine in all pre-adolescent girls. NVIC maintains that Merck's clinical trials did not prove the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine designed to prevent cervical cancer and genital warts is safe to give to young girls."Merck and the FDA have not been completely honest with the people about the pre-licensure clinical trials," said NVIC president Barbara Loe Fisher. "Merck's pre and post-licensure marketing strategy has positioned mass use of this vaccine by pre-teens as a morality play in order to avoid talking about the flawed science they used to get it licensed. This is not just about teenagers having sex, it is also about whether Gardasil has been proven safe and effective for little girls."The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive saline solution placebo.[1 <http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf>] A reactive placebo can artificially increase the appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial. Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in clinical trials. Merck and the FDA did not disclose how much aluminum was in the placebo.[2] <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf>Animal and human studies have shown that aluminum can cause nerve cell death [3 <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=11470317 & query_hl=3 & itool=pubmed_DocSum>] and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to enter the brain, [4 <http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/aluminumvaccines.htm> 5 <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=7946900 & query_hl=10 & itool=pubmed_docsum>] as well as cause inflammation at the injection site leading to chronic joint and muscle pain and fatigue. [6 <http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/124/9/1821> 7 <http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/183_03_010805/shi10067_fm.html>] Nearly 90 percent of Gardasil recipients and 85 percent of aluminum placebo recipients followed-up for safety reported one or more adverse events within 15 days of vaccination, particularly at the injection site.[8 <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B1.pdf>] Pain and swelling at injection site occurred in approximately 83 percent of Gardasil and 73 percent of aluminum placebo recipients. About 60 percent of those who got Gardasil or the aluminum placebo had systemic adverse events including headache, fever, nausea, dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea, myalgia. [9 <http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf> 10 <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf>] Gardasil recipients had more serious adverse events such as headache, gastroenteritis, appendicitis, pelvic inflammatory disease, asthma, bronchospasm and arthritis."Merck and the FDA do not reveal in public documents exactly how many 9 to 15 year old girls were in the clinical trials, how many of them received hepatitis B vaccine and Gardasil simultaneously, and how many of them had serious adverse events after being injected with Gardasil or the aluminum placebo. For example, if there were less than 1,000 little girls actually injected with three doses of Gardasil, it is important to know how many had serious adverse events and how long they were followed for chronic health problems, such as juvenile arthritis."According to the Merck product manufacturer insert, there was 1 case of juvenile arthritis, 2 cases of rheumatoid arthritis, 5 cases of arthritis, and 1 case of reactive arthritis out of 11,813 Gardasil recipients plus 1 case of lupus and 2 cases of arthritis out of 9,701 participants primarily receiving an aluminum containing placebo. Clinical trial investigators dismissed most of the 102 Gardasil and placebo associated serious adverse events, including 17 deaths, that occurred in the clinical trials as unrelated."There is too little long term safety and efficacy data, especially in young girls, and too little labeling information on contraindications for the CDC to recommend Gardasil for universal use, which is a signal for states to mandate it," said Fisher. "Nobody at Merck, the CDC or FDA know if the injection of Gardasil into all pre-teen girls - especially simultaneously with hepatitis B vaccine - will make some of them more likely to develop arthritis or other inflammatory autoimmune and brain disorders as teenagers and adults. With cervical cancer causing about one percent of all cancer deaths in American women due to routine pap screening, it was inappropriate for the FDA to fast track Gardasil. It is way too early to direct all young girls to get three doses of a vaccine that has not been proven safe or effective in their age group."The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), founded in 1982 by parents of vaccine injured children, has been a leading critic of one-size-fits-all mass vaccination policies and the lack of basic science research into biological mechanisms and high risk factors for vaccine-induced brain and immune system dysfunction. As a member of the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC), Barbara Loe Fisher urged trials include adequate safety data on pre-adolescent children and warned against fast tracking Gardasil at the November 28-29, 2001 VRBPAC meeting .[11 <http://www.nvic.org/Barbara%20Nov%2029%202001%20Meeting%20.pdf>]Full 2001 FDA Transcript: http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber01.htm#Vaccines & Related Biological <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber01.htm#Vaccines%20 & %20Related%20Biological>For more information go to www.NVIC.org <http://www.NVIC.org>.-end-1. Merck & Co., Inc. 2006. Gardasil <http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf> [Quadrivalent Human Papillomavirus Types 6,11,16,18) Recombinant Vaccine] product insert. Table 6.2. Food and Drug Administration. <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf> May 18, 2006. FDA Background Document for Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee: Gardasil HPV Quadrivalent Vaccine.3. Kawahara M et al. 2001. Effects of aluminum on the neurotoxicty of primary cultured neurons and on the aggregation of betamyloid protein. /Brain Res. Bull. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=11470317 & query_hl=3 & itool=pubmed_DocSum>/ 55, 211-217.4. Redhead K. et al. 1992. Aluminum-adjuvanted vaccines transiently increase aluminum levels in murine brain tissue. /Pharmacol. Toxico <http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/aluminumvaccines.htm>/. 70, 278-280.5. Sahin G. et al. 1994. Determination of aluminum levels in the kidney, liver and brain of mice treated with aluminum hydroxide. /Biol. Trace. Elem. Res <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=7946900 & query_hl=10 & itool=pubmed_docsum>/. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search & DB=pubmed> 1194 Apr-May;41 (1-2):129-35.6. Gherardi M et al. 2001. Macrophagaic myofastitis lesions assess long-term persistence of vaccine-derived aluminum hydroxide in muscle. /Brain <http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/124/9/1821>/, Vol 124, No. 9, 1821-1831.7. Shingde M eta la. 2005. Macrophagic myofastitis associated with vaccine derived aluminum. /MJA <http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/183_03_010805/shi10067_fm.html>/, 183 (03):145-146.8. Merck & Co. May 18, 2006. Merck briefing document <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B1.pdf>for Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee: Gardasil. Table 24.9. Merck & Co., Inc. 2006. Gardasil <http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf>product insert: Serious Adverse Experiences.10. Food and Drug Administration. <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf> May 18, 2006. FDA Background Document for Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee.: Gardasil. Table 32.11. Food and Drug Administration. <http://www.nvic.org/Barbara%20Nov%2029%202001%20Meeting%20.pdf> November 29, 2001. Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee. Excerpt from transcript.Here is another: this one also has a video with a mother's story about what happened to her daughter.http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/09/27/gardasil-new-video-reveals-hidden-dangers.aspxDr. Mercola Dr. Mercola's Comments:This video provides an excellent, though tragic, example of why it’s essential to do your homework before submitting yourself or your child to a vaccination.In the case of Gardasil, which is, according to this video, the world’s first genetically altered vaccine, the evidence stacking up against this vaccine is striking.As of August 2007, a review of the National Vaccine Information Center revealed the following, quite alarming, statistic about this unnecessary vaccine: 2,207 adverse reactions to Gardasil <http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Gardasil-Reactions-and-Deaths-on-the-Rise-29768.aspx> have been reported. Among them: * 5 girls died * 31 were considered life-threatening * 1,385 required a visit to the emergency room * 451 of the girls have not recovered as of July 2007 * 51 of the girls were disabledThis vaccine is also the most expensive vaccine on the market, so you can follow the money trail to find out why Merck is now trying to push this cervical cancer vaccine on boys <http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/09/18/absurd-vaccine-marketing-cervical-cancer-vaccinations-for-boys.aspx>!Getting the Facts About HPVHealth care officials and the media are portraying Gardasil as the long-awaited cure for cervical cancer, and they’re telling people that the side effects are minimal.However, the side effects of this brand-new vaccine are just beginning to surface, and as time goes by, their severity seems to be increasing.Further, while cervical cancer is a serious issue, it is not the epidemic that the media is portraying it to be <http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/The-Deception-Behind-HPV-Infection-Rates-That-Sells-Unnecessary-Vaccines-6574.aspx>.Of the more than 6 million cases of HPV that occur each year, about 90 percent of them clear up on their own within two years. If you eat right, exercise, and keep stress in your life under control <http://www.mercola.com/forms/eftcourse1.htm>, your immune system should be healthy enough to clear up HPV. Secondly, the vaccine is not fool-proof. You can still get "non-vaccine" types of HPV even if you get vaccinated.Finally, remember that HPV is a sexually transmitted disease, which means that it is nearly 100 percent avoidable by modifying your lifestyle habits.If you have friends of family members who are considering the Gardasil vaccine for their daughter (or son), please forward this video to them so they can make an informed decision.

[Guest guest]



If it were me, I would get the vaccine; if I had a daughter (I don't but want some girls) I would get it, because the point is to help prevent getting HPV; sounds like anyone would want to prevent THAT if they could, and keep from cancer; that is the hope of the shots, as far as I know.....but I would always weigh the options. As an innocent minor, the choice is yours but your daughter may thank you later for doing it, too......who knows....I would just research CONCERNS about it first, too. But, we support vaccines at our home, so perhaps I am biased, but I think I prefer to say I am open minded.

Ruthie

Re: ( ) Re: Larry King Live

Well, that was an eye-opener! I don't think that I will be getting this for ! two pediatricians have recommended it. But I think we will be safe without it!

What about the meningitis vaccine? I heard that she will have to get it for college if she doesn't get it now. My mom died from meningitis 8 years ago.

Deb

In a message dated 10/24/2007 11:15:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aschristensencharter (DOT) net writes:

Please google Gardisil. There has been alot of contraversy over this vaccine, and it causing problems for young girls. The choice is yours. Speaking as one with some experience, weigh your choice on this VERY carefully. I personally never was "at risk" for HPV. I always used protection etc. My x-husband did not tell me until several months after we were married that his x-girlfriend/mother of his older son, had HPV. This was at the same time that I stated having paps come back abnormal. Yes it was definately from him, yes he gave it to me. Now that said, I have had to have more Very painful procedures done than I care to count, including losing 1/2 of my cervix at the age of 25. I also was forced to have a complete hysterectomy at the age of 30 because the cervical cancer caused by the HPV he gave me came back after removing part of my cervix, and it was showing the potential to spread to my uterus and ovaries. HPV is not something to mess around with, however, look at all the data on the vaccine and weigh your choices. Personally, I would not wish any of what I had to go through on anyone. As I said HPV can happen to even the most careful person, it happened to me.here is just one article you can start with:http://www.nvic.org/PressReleases/pr62706gardasilhtm*Washington, D.C.* - The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is calling on the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) <http://www.cdc.gov/nip/acip/agendas/agenda-jun06.pdf> to just say "no" on June 29 to recommending "universal use" of Merck's Gardasil vaccine in all pre-adolescent girls. NVIC maintains that Merck's clinical trials did not prove the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine designed to prevent cervical cancer and genital warts is safe to give to young girls."Merck and the FDA have not been completely honest with the people about the pre-licensure clinical trials," said NVIC president Barbara Loe Fisher. "Merck's pre and post-licensure marketing strategy has positioned mass use of this vaccine by pre-teens as a morality play in order to avoid talking about the flawed science they used to get it licensed. This is not just about teenagers having sex, it is also about whether Gardasil has been proven safe and effective for little girls."The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive saline solution placebo.[1 <http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf>] A reactive placebo can artificially increase the appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial. Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in clinical trials. Merck and the FDA did not disclose how much aluminum was in the placebo.[2] <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf>Animal and human studies have shown that aluminum can cause nerve cell death [3 <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=11470317 & query_hl=3 & itool=pubmed_DocSum>] and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to enter the brain, [4 <http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/aluminumvaccines.htm> 5 <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=7946900 & query_hl=10 & itool=pubmed_docsum>] as well as cause inflammation at the injection site leading to chronic joint and muscle pain and fatigue. [6 <http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/124/9/1821> 7 <http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/183_03_010805/shi10067_fm.html>] Nearly 90 percent of Gardasil recipients and 85 percent of aluminum placebo recipients followed-up for safety reported one or more adverse events within 15 days of vaccination, particularly at the injection site.[8 <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B1.pdf>] Pain and swelling at injection site occurred in approximately 83 percent of Gardasil and 73 percent of aluminum placebo recipients. About 60 percent of those who got Gardasil or the aluminum placebo had systemic adverse events including headache, fever, nausea, dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea, myalgia. [9 <http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf> 10 <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf>] Gardasil recipients had more serious adverse events such as headache, gastroenteritis, appendicitis, pelvic inflammatory disease, asthma, bronchospasm and arthritis."Merck and the FDA do not reveal in public documents exactly how many 9 to 15 year old girls were in the clinical trials, how many of them received hepatitis B vaccine and Gardasil simultaneously, and how many of them had serious adverse events after being injected with Gardasil or the aluminum placebo. For example, if there were less than 1,000 little girls actually injected with three doses of Gardasil, it is important to know how many had serious adverse events and how long they were followed for chronic health problems, such as juvenile arthritis."According to the Merck product manufacturer insert, there was 1 case of juvenile arthritis, 2 cases of rheumatoid arthritis, 5 cases of arthritis, and 1 case of reactive arthritis out of 11,813 Gardasil recipients plus 1 case of lupus and 2 cases of arthritis out of 9,701 participants primarily receiving an aluminum containing placebo. Clinical trial investigators dismissed most of the 102 Gardasil and placebo associated serious adverse events, including 17 deaths, that occurred in the clinical trials as unrelated."There is too little long term safety and efficacy data, especially in young girls, and too little labeling information on contraindications for the CDC to recommend Gardasil for universal use, which is a signal for states to mandate it," said Fisher. "Nobody at Merck, the CDC or FDA know if the injection of Gardasil into all pre-teen girls - especially simultaneously with hepatitis B vaccine - will make some of them more likely to develop arthritis or other inflammatory autoimmune and brain disorders as teenagers and adults. With cervical cancer causing about one percent of all cancer deaths in American women due to routine pap screening, it was inappropriate for the FDA to fast track Gardasil. It is way too early to direct all young girls to get three doses of a vaccine that has not been proven safe or effective in their age group."The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), founded in 1982 by parents of vaccine injured children, has been a leading critic of one-size-fits-all mass vaccination policies and the lack of basic science research into biological mechanisms and high risk factors for vaccine-induced brain and immune system dysfunction. As a member of the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC), Barbara Loe Fisher urged trials include adequate safety data on pre-adolescent children and warned against fast tracking Gardasil at the November 28-29, 2001 VRBPAC meeting .[11 <http://www.nvic.org/Barbara%20Nov%2029%202001%20Meeting%20.pdf>]Full 2001 FDA Transcript: http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber01.htm#Vaccines & Related Biological <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber01.htm#Vaccines%20 & %20Related%20Biological>For more information go to www.NVIC.org <http://www.NVIC.org>.-end-1. Merck & Co., Inc. 2006. Gardasil <http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf> [Quadrivalent Human Papillomavirus Types 6,11,16,18) Recombinant Vaccine] product insert. Table 6.2. Food and Drug Administration. <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf> May 18, 2006. FDA Background Document for Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee: Gardasil HPV Quadrivalent Vaccine.3. Kawahara M et al. 2001. Effects of aluminum on the neurotoxicty of primary cultured neurons and on the aggregation of betamyloid protein. /Brain Res. Bull. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=11470317 & query_hl=3 & itool=pubmed_DocSum>/ 55, 211-217.4. Redhead K. et al. 1992. Aluminum-adjuvanted vaccines transiently increase aluminum levels in murine brain tissue. /Pharmacol. Toxico <http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/aluminumvaccines.htm>/. 70, 278-280.5. Sahin G. et al. 1994. Determination of aluminum levels in the kidney, liver and brain of mice treated with aluminum hydroxide. /Biol. Trace. Elem. Res <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=7946900 & query_hl=10 & itool=pubmed_docsum>/. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search & DB=pubmed> 1194 Apr-May;41 (1-2):129-35.6. Gherardi M et al. 2001. Macrophagaic myofastitis lesions assess long-term persistence of vaccine-derived aluminum hydroxide in muscle. /Brain <http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/124/9/1821>/, Vol 124, No. 9, 1821-1831.7. Shingde M eta la. 2005. Macrophagic myofastitis associated with vaccine derived aluminum. /MJA <http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/183_03_010805/shi10067_fm.html>/, 183 (03):145-146.8. Merck & Co. May 18, 2006. Merck briefing document <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B1.pdf>for Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee: Gardasil. Table 24.9. Merck & Co., Inc. 2006. Gardasil <http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf>product insert: Serious Adverse Experiences.10. Food and Drug Administration. <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf> May 18, 2006. FDA Background Document for Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee.: Gardasil. Table 32.11. Food and Drug Administration. <http://www.nvic.org/Barbara%20Nov%2029%202001%20Meeting%20.pdf> November 29, 2001. Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee. Excerpt from transcript.Here is another: this one also has a video with a mother's story about what happened to her daughter.http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/09/27/gardasil-new-video-reveals-hidden-dangers.aspxDr. Mercola Dr. Mercola's Comments:This video provides an excellent, though tragic, example of why it’s essential to do your homework before submitting yourself or your child to a vaccination.In the case of Gardasil, which is, according to this video, the world’s first genetically altered vaccine, the evidence stacking up against this vaccine is striking.As of August 2007, a review of the National Vaccine Information Center revealed the following, quite alarming, statistic about this unnecessary vaccine: 2,207 adverse reactions to Gardasil <http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Gardasil-Reactions-and-Deaths-on-the-Rise-29768.aspx> have been reported. Among them: * 5 girls died * 31 were considered life-threatening * 1,385 required a visit to the emergency room * 451 of the girls have not recovered as of July 2007 * 51 of the girls were disabledThis vaccine is also the most expensive vaccine on the market, so you can follow the money trail to find out why Merck is now trying to push this cervical cancer vaccine on boys <http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/09/18/absurd-vaccine-marketing-cervical-cancer-vaccinations-for-boys.aspx>!Getting the Facts About HPVHealth care officials and the media are portraying Gardasil as the long-awaited cure for cervical cancer, and they’re telling people that the side effects are minimal.However, the side effects of this brand-new vaccine are just beginning to surface, and as time goes by, their severity seems to be increasing.Further, while cervical cancer is a serious issue, it is not the epidemic that the media is portraying it to be <http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/The-Deception-Behind-HPV-Infection-Rates-That-Sells-Unnecessary-Vaccines-6574.aspx>.Of the more than 6 million cases of HPV that occur each year, about 90 percent of them clear up on their own within two years. If you eat right, exercise, and keep stress in your life under control <http://www.mercola.com/forms/eftcourse1.htm>, your immune system should be healthy enough to clear up HPV. Secondly, the vaccine is not fool-proof. You can still get "non-vaccine" types of HPV even if you get vaccinated.Finally, remember that HPV is a sexually transmitted disease, which means that it is nearly 100 percent avoidable by modifying your lifestyle habits.If you have friends of family members who are considering the Gardasil vaccine for their daughter (or son), please forward this video to them so they can make an informed decision.

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Deb, <<<the new one for young girls>>>. are you speaking of the vaccine that's new, that's suppose to prevent ovarian cancer? I heard on the news that some states made it mandatory for girls to have this, and some schools are giving them out "in school". I don't know which states.debmetsfan@... wrote: 's pediatrician wants to give her the meningitis vaccine and the new one for young girls. Should I be concerned at

all? Deb In a message dated 10/24/2007 10:34:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrathswohldaylemc (DOT) org writes: I guess part of my problem with Dr. Kartzinel is just that I don't really see my son as broken, but different. I did listen to the clip again and she did say recovered, so I have to back away from that issue there. My only reason for saying anything about the MMR is that I keep hearing people blame the mercury in the MMR for their kids being autistic, and the MMR does not contain any. I do think that we need to have research on the issue of the viral load and overloading our kids immune systems. That just seems to be a far more likely cause, and if that is the cause I

belive that we need to spread out the immunitizations better so they are not getting so much at one. Thanks for the feedback. >> I agreed with Dr. Kartzinel -- my thoughts are that these kids do have > some broken mechanisms in their body, things that don't work right for > one way or another. But, it may be because I see my son have a ton of > intestinal issues, rashes, aches, etc., that can't be explained, and > many, many children on the spectrum face similar issues. Dr. Kartzinel > is an amazing man, very much on our side, so I'd have a hard time > feeling bad about the fact he's getting awareness out there. Honestly, > personally? I don't get caught up in the

semantics. My son has issues, > and I don't care if he's referred to as autistic, which is the peeve I > have with Holly -Peete; she can feel that way about her son, but > to say that it's the wrong vernacular is misrepresentation, imo. I say > my son 'is autistic' sometimes, but I don't say he is "an autistic." My > daughter is epileptic, it's true, it's factual, I can't be bothered by > that. It's just words.> > also never says she 'cured' her son. She says she recovered him. > You probably heard her bus analogy -- you get hit by a bus, you'll never > be cured, you'll always have aches, pains, scars, but you can recover.> > The thing with the MMR shot is that it's a huge dose of vaccine on a > body that is still growing and the mixture can be dangerous to a child > who cannot process the viral/toxic loads as bodies

are supposed to. > (Which explains why not every child gets autism after having vaccines. > Most children can process the loads fine, but toxins increase, the > number of children who can't process the increased toxins is growing at > a scary epidemic rate.)> > Be careful to just research the FDA and government sites. It makes sense > that they aren't going to show the side-effects, unless they are in > small print and hard to find. And a 'trace' of thimerasol can still be > WAY more than a tiny body can process per pound.> > And last -- Thimerasol was 'recommended' to be phased out in 1999, but > because it preserves vaccines for years, those vaccines that weren't yet > used stayed on the shelf for years later because they weren't yet > expired, so while new ones weren't made, those ones with thimerasol > still remained.> >

Thimerasol/vaccines aren't the sole reason for autism, they are just one > of the most common ones -- pesticides, medications, etc., there's a lot > of toxins out there contributing to it all.> > Hope that helps!> Donna> Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. __________________________________________________

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Most colleges do require the meningitis vaccine. If it gets into the dorms, it spreads like wildfire.LizOn Oct 25, 2007, at 6:36 AM, debmetsfan@... wrote:Well, that was an eye-opener!  I don't think that I will be getting this for !  two pediatricians have recommended it.  But I think we will be safe without it! What about the meningitis vaccine?  I heard that she will have to get it for college if she doesn't get it now.  My mom died from meningitis 8 years ago. Deb

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i dont agree with the mmr reasoning either...my son had not been vaccinated prior to his diagnosis, and he was still autistic....i think it has a lot more to do with environmental exposures and such as well as medications given to moms when pregnant. the nova program did bring up some interesting thought regarding epigenetics too. <mrathswohl@...> wrote: I guess part of my problem with Dr. Kartzinel is just that I don't really see my son as broken, but different. I did listen to the clip again and she did say recovered, so I

have to back away from that issue there. My only reason for saying anything about the MMR is that I keep hearing people blame the mercury in the MMR for their kids being autistic, and the MMR does not contain any. I do think that we need to have research on the issue of the viral load and overloading our kids immune systems. That just seems to be a far more likely cause, and if that is the cause I belive that we need to spread out the immunitizations better so they are not getting so much at one. Thanks for the feedback. >> I agreed with Dr. Kartzinel -- my thoughts are that these kids do have > some broken mechanisms in their body, things that don't work right for > one way or another. But, it may be because I see my son have a ton of

> intestinal issues, rashes, aches, etc., that can't be explained, and > many, many children on the spectrum face similar issues. Dr. Kartzinel > is an amazing man, very much on our side, so I'd have a hard time > feeling bad about the fact he's getting awareness out there. Honestly, > personally? I don't get caught up in the semantics. My son has issues, > and I don't care if he's referred to as autistic, which is the peeve I > have with Holly -Peete; she can feel that way about her son, but > to say that it's the wrong vernacular is misrepresentation, imo. I say > my son 'is autistic' sometimes, but I don't say he is "an autistic." My > daughter is epileptic, it's true, it's factual, I can't be bothered by > that. It's just words.> > also never says she 'cured' her son. She says she recovered him. > You probably heard her

bus analogy -- you get hit by a bus, you'll never > be cured, you'll always have aches, pains, scars, but you can recover.> > The thing with the MMR shot is that it's a huge dose of vaccine on a > body that is still growing and the mixture can be dangerous to a child > who cannot process the viral/toxic loads as bodies are supposed to. > (Which explains why not every child gets autism after having vaccines. > Most children can process the loads fine, but toxins increase, the > number of children who can't process the increased toxins is growing at > a scary epidemic rate.)> > Be careful to just research the FDA and government sites. It makes sense > that they aren't going to show the side-effects, unless they are in > small print and hard to find. And a 'trace' of thimerasol can still be > WAY more than a tiny body can process per pound.>

> And last -- Thimerasol was 'recommended' to be phased out in 1999, but > because it preserves vaccines for years, those vaccines that weren't yet > used stayed on the shelf for years later because they weren't yet > expired, so while new ones weren't made, those ones with thimerasol > still remained.> > Thimerasol/vaccines aren't the sole reason for autism, they are just one > of the most common ones -- pesticides, medications, etc., there's a lot > of toxins out there contributing to it all.> > Hope that helps!> Donna> __________________________________________________

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i work in a hospital and meningitis is a very ugly miserable disease...especially for teenagers and college students-it can (and does) kill a lot people diagnosed with it. unless you and nicole and take all the precautions possible to avoid it, i would say get the vaccination. the hpv the jury is still out on...i dont think there has been enough long term research done on it to make a strong decision one way or anotherdebmetsfan@... wrote: 's pediatrician wants to give her

the meningitis vaccine and the new one for young girls. Should I be concerned at all? Deb In a message dated 10/24/2007 10:34:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrathswohldaylemc (DOT) org writes: I guess part of my problem with Dr. Kartzinel is just that I don't really see my son as broken, but different. I did listen to the clip again and she did say recovered, so I have to back away from that issue there. My only reason for saying anything about the MMR is that I keep hearing people blame the mercury in the MMR for their kids being autistic, and the MMR does not contain any. I do think that we need to have research on the issue of the viral load and overloading our kids immune

systems. That just seems to be a far more likely cause, and if that is the cause I belive that we need to spread out the immunitizations better so they are not getting so much at one. Thanks for the feedback. >> I agreed with Dr. Kartzinel -- my thoughts are that these kids do have > some broken mechanisms in their body, things that don't work right for > one way or another. But, it may be because I see my son have a ton of > intestinal issues, rashes, aches, etc., that can't be explained, and > many, many children on the spectrum face similar issues. Dr. Kartzinel > is an amazing man, very much on our side, so I'd have a hard time > feeling bad about the fact he's getting

awareness out there. Honestly, > personally? I don't get caught up in the semantics. My son has issues, > and I don't care if he's referred to as autistic, which is the peeve I > have with Holly -Peete; she can feel that way about her son, but > to say that it's the wrong vernacular is misrepresentation, imo. I say > my son 'is autistic' sometimes, but I don't say he is "an autistic." My > daughter is epileptic, it's true, it's factual, I can't be bothered by > that. It's just words.> > also never says she 'cured' her son. She says she recovered him. > You probably heard her bus analogy -- you get hit by a bus, you'll never > be cured, you'll always have aches, pains, scars, but you can recover.> > The thing with the MMR shot is that it's a huge dose of vaccine on a > body that is still growing and the mixture can be

dangerous to a child > who cannot process the viral/toxic loads as bodies are supposed to. > (Which explains why not every child gets autism after having vaccines. > Most children can process the loads fine, but toxins increase, the > number of children who can't process the increased toxins is growing at > a scary epidemic rate.)> > Be careful to just research the FDA and government sites. It makes sense > that they aren't going to show the side-effects, unless they are in > small print and hard to find. And a 'trace' of thimerasol can still be > WAY more than a tiny body can process per pound.> > And last -- Thimerasol was 'recommended' to be phased out in 1999, but > because it preserves vaccines for years, those vaccines that weren't yet > used stayed on the shelf for years later because they weren't yet > expired, so while new ones

weren't made, those ones with thimerasol > still remained.> > Thimerasol/vaccines aren't the sole reason for autism, they are just one > of the most common ones -- pesticides, medications, etc., there's a lot > of toxins out there contributing to it all.> > Hope that helps!> Donna> Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. __________________________________________________

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This is some topic. BUT did you (mom) get the mmr shot? they said (just others I heard speaking of the MMR shot) said, that if their kids didn't get the shot and are autistic, its because the parents did have the shot and the fetus was still exposed to it. However, I've heard so many things about that mmr shot that I don't have an opinion anymore about it. I will share, I vaccinated my kids, my daughter is N.T. and with my son, I noticed some things 'different' about him before he got the shot. I also notice good things as well including strong eye contact when nursing, before the mmr shot. and things got lots worse during and after the shot. including a fever of 105+ and no eye contact. I wonder if it would still go in that direction if he didn't get the MMR shot?. but I will never know that. Dee DiMemmo

<craftychick70@...> wrote: i dont agree with the mmr reasoning either...my son had not been vaccinated prior to his diagnosis, and he was still autistic....i think it has a lot more to do with environmental exposures and such as well as medications given to moms when pregnant. the nova program did bring up some interesting thought regarding epigenetics too. <mrathswohldaylemc (DOT) org> wrote: I guess part of my problem

with Dr. Kartzinel is just that I don't really see my son as broken, but different. I did listen to the clip again and she did say recovered, so I have to back away from that issue there. My only reason for saying anything about the MMR is that I keep hearing people blame the mercury in the MMR for their kids being autistic, and the MMR does not contain any. I do think that we need to have research on the issue of the viral load and overloading our kids immune systems. That just seems to be a far more likely cause, and if that is the cause I belive that we need to spread out the immunitizations better so they are not getting so much at one. Thanks for the feedback. >> I agreed with Dr. Kartzinel -- my thoughts are that these kids do have > some

broken mechanisms in their body, things that don't work right for > one way or another. But, it may be because I see my son have a ton of > intestinal issues, rashes, aches, etc., that can't be explained, and > many, many children on the spectrum face similar issues. Dr. Kartzinel > is an amazing man, very much on our side, so I'd have a hard time > feeling bad about the fact he's getting awareness out there. Honestly, > personally? I don't get caught up in the semantics. My son has issues, > and I don't care if he's referred to as autistic, which is the peeve I > have with Holly -Peete; she can feel that way about her son, but > to say that it's the wrong vernacular is misrepresentation, imo. I say > my son 'is autistic' sometimes, but I don't say he is "an autistic." My > daughter is epileptic, it's true, it's factual, I can't be bothered by

> that. It's just words.> > also never says she 'cured' her son. She says she recovered him. > You probably heard her bus analogy -- you get hit by a bus, you'll never > be cured, you'll always have aches, pains, scars, but you can recover.> > The thing with the MMR shot is that it's a huge dose of vaccine on a > body that is still growing and the mixture can be dangerous to a child > who cannot process the viral/toxic loads as bodies are supposed to. > (Which explains why not every child gets autism after having vaccines. > Most children can process the loads fine, but toxins increase, the > number of children who can't process the increased toxins is growing at > a scary epidemic rate.)> > Be careful to just research the FDA and government sites. It makes sense > that they aren't going to show the side-effects, unless they

are in > small print and hard to find. And a 'trace' of thimerasol can still be > WAY more than a tiny body can process per pound.> > And last -- Thimerasol was 'recommended' to be phased out in 1999, but > because it preserves vaccines for years, those vaccines that weren't yet > used stayed on the shelf for years later because they weren't yet > expired, so while new ones weren't made, those ones with thimerasol > still remained.> > Thimerasol/vaccines aren't the sole reason for autism, they are just one > of the most common ones -- pesticides, medications, etc., there's a lot > of toxins out there contributing to it all.> > Hope that helps!> Donna> __________________________________________________

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What about the chickenpox vaccine? got that when she was a toddler and she developed a very high fever of 105 the next day. The doctor said it was coincidence.

Deb

In a message dated 10/25/2007 11:57:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, beachbodytan2002@... writes:

This is some topic. BUT did you (mom) get the mmr shot? they said (just others I heard speaking of the MMR shot) said, that if their kids didn't get the shot and are autistic, its because the parents did have the shot and the fetus was still exposed to it.

However, I've heard so many things about that mmr shot that I don't have an opinion anymore about it. I will share, I vaccinated my kids, my daughter is N.T. and with my son, I noticed some things 'different' about him before he got the shot. I also notice good things as well including strong eye contact when nursing, before the mmr shot. and things got lots worse during and after the shot. including a fever of 105+ and no eye contact. I wonder if it would still go in that direction if he didn't get the MMR shot?. but I will never know that.

Dee DiMemmo <craftychick70 > wrote:

i dont agree with the mmr reasoning either...my son had not been vaccinated prior to his diagnosis, and he was still autistic....i think it has a lot more to do with environmental exposures and such as well as medications given to moms when pregnant. the nova program did bring up some interesting thought regarding epigenetics too. <mrathswohldaylemc (DOT) org> wrote:

I guess part of my problem with Dr. Kartzinel is just that I don't really see my son as broken, but different. I did listen to the clip again and she did say recovered, so I have to back away from that issue there. My only reason for saying anything about the MMR is that I keep hearing people blame the mercury in the MMR for their kids being autistic, and the MMR does not contain any. I do think that we need to have research on the issue of the viral load and overloading our kids immune systems. That just seems to be a far more likely cause, and if that is the cause I belive that we need to spread out the immunitizations better so they are not getting so much at one. Thanks for the feedback. >> I agreed with Dr. Kartzinel -- my thoughts are that these kids do have > some broken mechanisms in their body, things that don't work right for > one way or another. But, it may be because I see my son have a ton of > intestinal issues, rashes, aches, etc., that can't be explained, and > many, many children on the spectrum face similar issues. Dr. Kartzinel > is an amazing man, very much on our side, so I'd have a hard time > feeling bad about the fact he's getting awareness out there. Honestly, > personally? I don't get caught up in the semantics. My son has issues, > and I don't care if he's referred to as autistic, which is the peeve I > have with Holly -Peete; she can feel that way about her son, but > to say that it's the wrong vernacular is misrepresentation, imo. I say > my son 'is autistic' sometimes, but I don't say he is "an autistic." My > daughter is epileptic, it's true, it's factual, I can't be bothered by > that. It's just words.> > also never says she 'cured' her son. She says she recovered him. > You probably heard her bus analogy -- you get hit by a bus, you'll never > be cured, you'll always have aches, pains, scars, but you can recover.> > The thing with the MMR shot is that it's a huge dose of vaccine on a > body that is still growing and the mixture can be dangerous to a child > who cannot process the viral/toxic loads as bodies are supposed to. > (Which explains why not every child gets autism after having vaccines. > Most children can process the loads fine, but toxins increase, the > number of children who can't process the increased toxins is growing at > a scary epidemic rate.)> > Be careful to just research the FDA and government sites. It makes sense > that they aren't going to show the side-effects, unless they are in > small print and hard to find. And a 'trace' of thimerasol can still be > WAY more than a tiny body can process per pound.> > And last -- Thimerasol was 'recommended' to be phased out in 1999, but > because it preserves vaccines for years, those vaccines that weren't yet > used stayed on the shelf for years later because they weren't yet > expired, so while new ones weren't made, those ones with thimerasol > still remained.> > Thimerasol/vaccines aren't the sole reason for autism, they are just one > of the most common ones -- pesticides, medications, etc., there's a lot > of toxins out there contributing to it all.> > Hope that helps!> Donna>

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I would get the meningitis vaccine because I have seen what i could do. My mom was in a coma for two weeks. She had to get a blood transfusion. She was having seizures. It was awful. Finally, her heart gave out. It is a nasty way to go.

I think I will hold off on the other shot.

Deb

In a message dated 10/25/2007 11:45:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, craftychick70@... writes:

i work in a hospital and meningitis is a very ugly miserable disease...especially for teenagers and college students-it can (and does) kill a lot people diagnosed with it. unless you and nicole and take all the precautions possible to avoid it, i would say get the vaccination. the hpv the jury is still out on...i dont think there has been enough long term research done on it to make a strong decision one way or anotherdebmetsfanaol wrote:

's pediatrician wants to give her the meningitis vaccine and the new one for young girls. Should I be concerned at all?

Deb

In a message dated 10/24/2007 10:34:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrathswohldaylemc (DOT) org writes:

I guess part of my problem with Dr. Kartzinel is just that I don't really see my son as broken, but different. I did listen to the clip again and she did say recovered, so I have to back away from that issue there. My only reason for saying anything about the MMR is that I keep hearing people blame the mercury in the MMR for their kids being autistic, and the MMR does not contain any. I do think that we need to have research on the issue of the viral load and overloading our kids immune systems. That just seems to be a far more likely cause, and if that is the cause I belive that we need to spread out the immunitizations better so they are not getting so much at one. Thanks for the feedback. >> I agreed with Dr. Kartzinel -- my thoughts are that these kids do have > some broken mechanisms in their body, things that don't work right for > one way or another. But, it may be because I see my son have a ton of > intestinal issues, rashes, aches, etc., that can't be explained, and > many, many children on the spectrum face similar issues. Dr. Kartzinel > is an amazing man, very much on our side, so I'd have a hard time > feeling bad about the fact he's getting awareness out there. Honestly, > personally? I don't get caught up in the semantics. My son has issues, > and I don't care if he's referred to as autistic, which is the peeve I > have with Holly -Peete; she can feel that way about her son, but > to say that it's the wrong vernacular is misrepresentation, imo. I say > my son 'is autistic' sometimes, but I don't say he is "an autistic." My > daughter is epileptic, it's true, it's factual, I can't be bothered by > that. It's just words.> > also never says she 'cured' her son. She says she recovered him. > You probably heard her bus analogy -- you get hit by a bus, you'll never > be cured, you'll always have aches, pains, scars, but you can recover.> > The thing with the MMR shot is that it's a huge dose of vaccine on a > body that is still growing and the mixture can be dangerous to a child > who cannot process the viral/toxic loads as bodies are supposed to. > (Which explains why not every child gets autism after having vaccines. > Most children can process the loads fine, but toxins increase, the > number of children who can't process the increased toxins is growing at > a scary epidemic rate.)> > Be careful to just research the FDA and government sites. It makes sense > that they aren't going to show the side-effects, unless they are in > small print and hard to find. And a 'trace' of thimerasol can still be > WAY more than a tiny body can process per pound.> > And last -- Thimerasol was 'recommended' to be phased out in 1999, but > because it preserves vaccines for years, those vaccines that weren't yet > used stayed on the shelf for years later because they weren't yet > expired, so while new ones weren't made, those ones with thimerasol > still remained.> > Thimerasol/vaccines aren't the sole reason for autism, they are just one > of the most common ones -- pesticides, medications, etc., there's a lot > of toxins out there contributing to it all.> > Hope that helps!> Donna>

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Yes, that's the one!

Two pediatricians have recommended it to me. But it's scary when you hear about all the facts and complications.

Deb

In a message dated 10/25/2007 8:48:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, beachbodytan2002@... writes:

Deb,

<<<the new one for young girls>>>. are you speaking of the vaccine that's new, that's suppose to prevent ovarian cancer? I heard on the news that some states made it mandatory for girls to have this, and some schools are giving them out "in school". I don't know which states.debmetsfanaol wrote:

's pediatrician wants to give her the meningitis vaccine and the new one for young girls. Should I be concerned at all?

Deb

In a message dated 10/24/2007 10:34:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrathswohldaylemc (DOT) org writes:

I guess part of my problem with Dr. Kartzinel is just that I don't really see my son as broken, but different. I did listen to the clip again and she did say recovered, so I have to back away from that issue there. My only reason for saying anything about the MMR is that I keep hearing people blame the mercury in the MMR for their kids being autistic, and the MMR does not contain any. I do think that we need to have research on the issue of the viral load and overloading our kids immune systems. That just seems to be a far more likely cause, and if that is the cause I belive that we need to spread out the immunitizations better so they are not getting so much at one. Thanks for the feedback. >> I agreed with Dr. Kartzinel -- my thoughts are that these kids do have > some broken mechanisms in their body, things that don't work right for > one way or another. But, it may be because I see my son have a ton of > intestinal issues, rashes, aches, etc., that can't be explained, and > many, many children on the spectrum face similar issues. Dr. Kartzinel > is an amazing man, very much on our side, so I'd have a hard time > feeling bad about the fact he's getting awareness out there. Honestly, > personally? I don't get caught up in the semantics. My son has issues, > and I don't care if he's referred to as autistic, which is the peeve I > have with Holly -Peete; she can feel that way about her son, but > to say that it's the wrong vernacular is misrepresentation, imo. I say > my son 'is autistic' sometimes, but I don't say he is "an autistic." My > daughter is epileptic, it's true, it's factual, I can't be bothered by > that. It's just words.> > also never says she 'cured' her son. She says she recovered him. > You probably heard her bus analogy -- you get hit by a bus, you'll never > be cured, you'll always have aches, pains, scars, but you can recover.> > The thing with the MMR shot is that it's a huge dose of vaccine on a > body that is still growing and the mixture can be dangerous to a child > who cannot process the viral/toxic loads as bodies are supposed to. > (Which explains why not every child gets autism after having vaccines. > Most children can process the loads fine, but toxins increase, the > number of children who can't process the increased toxins is growing at > a scary epidemic rate.)> > Be careful to just research the FDA and government sites. It makes sense > that they aren't going to show the side-effects, unless they are in > small print and hard to find. And a 'trace' of thimerasol can still be > WAY more than a tiny body can process per pound.> > And last -- Thimerasol was 'recommended' to be phased out in 1999, but > because it preserves vaccines for years, those vaccines that weren't yet > used stayed on the shelf for years later because they weren't yet > expired, so while new ones weren't made, those ones with thimerasol > still remained.> > Thimerasol/vaccines aren't the sole reason for autism, they are just one > of the most common ones -- pesticides, medications, etc., there's a lot > of toxins out there contributing to it all.> > Hope that helps!> Donna>

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Thanks, Ruthie! I am very concerned about this one. I don't know anyone who has contracted HPV so maybe that is why I don't think it is really needed. But who knows for sure.

Deb

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If it were me, I would get the vaccine; if I had a daughter (I don't but want some girls) I would get it, because the point is to help prevent getting HPV; sounds like anyone would want to prevent THAT if they could, and keep from cancer; that is the hope of the shots, as far as I know.....but I would always weigh the options. As an innocent minor, the choice is yours but your daughter may thank you later for doing it, too......who knows....I would just research CONCERNS about it first, too. But, we support vaccines at our home, so perhaps I am biased, but I think I prefer to say I am open minded.

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Well, that was an eye-opener! I don't think that I will be getting this for ! two pediatricians have recommended it. But I think we will be safe without it!

What about the meningitis vaccine? I heard that she will have to get it for college if she doesn't get it now. My mom died from meningitis 8 years ago.

Deb

In a message dated 10/24/2007 11:15:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aschristensencharter (DOT) net writes:

Please google Gardisil. There has been alot of contraversy over this vaccine, and it causing problems for young girls. The choice is yours. Speaking as one with some experience, weigh your choice on this VERY carefully. I personally never was "at risk" for HPV. I always used protection etc. My x-husband did not tell me until several months after we were married that his x-girlfriend/mother of his older son, had HPV. This was at the same time that I stated having paps come back abnormal. Yes it was definately from him, yes he gave it to me. Now that said, I have had to have more Very painful procedures done than I care to count, including losing 1/2 of my cervix at the age of 25. I also was forced to have a complete hysterectomy at the age of 30 because the cervical cancer caused by the HPV he gave me came back after removing part of my cervix, and it was showing the potential to spread to my uterus and ovaries. HPV is not something to mess around with, however, look at all the data on the vaccine and weigh your choices. Personally, I would not wish any of what I had to go through on anyone. As I said HPV can happen to even the most careful person, it happened to me.here is just one article you can start with:http://www.nvic.org/PressReleases/pr62706gardasilhtm*Washington, D.C.* - The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is calling on the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) <http://www.cdc.gov/nip/acip/agendas/agenda-jun06.pdf> to just say "no" on June 29 to recommending "universal use" of Merck's Gardasil vaccine in all pre-adolescent girls. NVIC maintains that Merck's clinical trials did not prove the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine designed to prevent cervical cancer and genital warts is safe to give to young girls."Merck and the FDA have not been completely honest with the people about the pre-licensure clinical trials," said NVIC president Barbara Loe Fisher. "Merck's pre and post-licensure marketing strategy has positioned mass use of this vaccine by pre-teens as a morality play in order to avoid talking about the flawed science they used to get it licensed. This is not just about teenagers having sex, it is also about whether Gardasil has been proven safe and effective for little girls."The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive saline solution placebo.[1 <http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf>] A reactive placebo can artificially increase the appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial. Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in clinical trials. Merck and the FDA did not disclose how much aluminum was in the placebo.[2] <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf>Animal and human studies have shown that aluminum can cause nerve cell death [3 <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=11470317 & query_hl=3 & itool=pubmed_DocSum>] and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to enter the brain, [4 <http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/aluminumvaccines.htm> 5 <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=7946900 & query_hl=10 & itool=pubmed_docsum>] as well as cause inflammation at the injection site leading to chronic joint and muscle pain and fatigue. [6 <http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/124/9/1821> 7 <http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/183_03_010805/shi10067_fm.html>] Nearly 90 percent of Gardasil recipients and 85 percent of aluminum placebo recipients followed-up for safety reported one or more adverse events within 15 days of vaccination, particularly at the injection site.[8 <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B1.pdf>] Pain and swelling at injection site occurred in approximately 83 percent of Gardasil and 73 percent of aluminum placebo recipients. About 60 percent of those who got Gardasil or the aluminum placebo had systemic adverse events including headache, fever, nausea, dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea, myalgia. [9 <http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf> 10 <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf>] Gardasil recipients had more serious adverse events such as headache, gastroenteritis, appendicitis, pelvic inflammatory disease, asthma, bronchospasm and arthritis."Merck and the FDA do not reveal in public documents exactly how many 9 to 15 year old girls were in the clinical trials, how many of them received hepatitis B vaccine and Gardasil simultaneously, and how many of them had serious adverse events after being injected with Gardasil or the aluminum placebo. For example, if there were less than 1,000 little girls actually injected with three doses of Gardasil, it is important to know how many had serious adverse events and how long they were followed for chronic health problems, such as juvenile arthritis."According to the Merck product manufacturer insert, there was 1 case of juvenile arthritis, 2 cases of rheumatoid arthritis, 5 cases of arthritis, and 1 case of reactive arthritis out of 11,813 Gardasil recipients plus 1 case of lupus and 2 cases of arthritis out of 9,701 participants primarily receiving an aluminum containing placebo. Clinical trial investigators dismissed most of the 102 Gardasil and placebo associated serious adverse events, including 17 deaths, that occurred in the clinical trials as unrelated."There is too little long term safety and efficacy data, especially in young girls, and too little labeling information on contraindications for the CDC to recommend Gardasil for universal use, which is a signal for states to mandate it," said Fisher. "Nobody at Merck, the CDC or FDA know if the injection of Gardasil into all pre-teen girls - especially simultaneously with hepatitis B vaccine - will make some of them more likely to develop arthritis or other inflammatory autoimmune and brain disorders as teenagers and adults. With cervical cancer causing about one percent of all cancer deaths in American women due to routine pap screening, it was inappropriate for the FDA to fast track Gardasil. It is way too early to direct all young girls to get three doses of a vaccine that has not been proven safe or effective in their age group."The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), founded in 1982 by parents of vaccine injured children, has been a leading critic of one-size-fits-all mass vaccination policies and the lack of basic science research into biological mechanisms and high risk factors for vaccine-induced brain and immune system dysfunction. As a member of the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC), Barbara Loe Fisher urged trials include adequate safety data on pre-adolescent children and warned against fast tracking Gardasil at the November 28-29, 2001 VRBPAC meeting .[11 <http://www.nvic.org/Barbara%20Nov%2029%202001%20Meeting%20.pdf>]Full 2001 FDA Transcript: http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber01.htm#Vaccines & Related Biological <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber01.htm#Vaccines%20 & %20Related%20Biological>For more information go to www.NVIC.org <http://www.NVIC.org>.-end-1. Merck & Co., Inc. 2006. Gardasil <http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf> [Quadrivalent Human Papillomavirus Types 6,11,16,18) Recombinant Vaccine] product insert. Table 6.2. Food and Drug Administration. <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf> May 18, 2006. FDA Background Document for Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee: Gardasil HPV Quadrivalent Vaccine.3. Kawahara M et al. 2001. Effects of aluminum on the neurotoxicty of primary cultured neurons and on the aggregation of betamyloid protein. /Brain Res. Bull. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=11470317 & query_hl=3 & itool=pubmed_DocSum>/ 55, 211-217.4. Redhead K. et al. 1992. Aluminum-adjuvanted vaccines transiently increase aluminum levels in murine brain tissue. /Pharmacol. Toxico <http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/aluminumvaccines.htm>/. 70, 278-280.5. Sahin G. et al. 1994. Determination of aluminum levels in the kidney, liver and brain of mice treated with aluminum hydroxide. /Biol. Trace. Elem. Res <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=7946900 & query_hl=10 & itool=pubmed_docsum>/. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search & DB=pubmed> 1194 Apr-May;41 (1-2):129-35.6. Gherardi M et al. 2001. Macrophagaic myofastitis lesions assess long-term persistence of vaccine-derived aluminum hydroxide in muscle. /Brain <http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/124/9/1821>/, Vol 124, No. 9, 1821-1831.7. Shingde M eta la. 2005. Macrophagic myofastitis associated with vaccine derived aluminum. /MJA <http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/183_03_010805/shi10067_fm.html>/, 183 (03):145-146.8. Merck & Co. May 18, 2006. Merck briefing document <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B1.pdf>for Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee: Gardasil. Table 24.9. Merck & Co., Inc. 2006. Gardasil <http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf>product insert: Serious Adverse Experiences.10. Food and Drug Administration. <http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf> May 18, 2006. FDA Background Document for Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee.: Gardasil. Table 32.11. Food and Drug Administration. <http://www.nvic.org/Barbara%20Nov%2029%202001%20Meeting%20.pdf> November 29, 2001. Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee. Excerpt from transcript.Here is another: this one also has a video with a mother's story about what happened to her daughter.http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/09/27/gardasil-new-video-reveals-hidden-dangers.aspxDr. Mercola Dr. Mercola's Comments:This video provides an excellent, though tragic, example of why it’s essential to do your homework before submitting yourself or your child to a vaccination.In the case of Gardasil, which is, according to this video, the world’s first genetically altered vaccine, the evidence stacking up against this vaccine is striking.As of August 2007, a review of the National Vaccine Information Center revealed the following, quite alarming, statistic about this unnecessary vaccine: 2,207 adverse reactions to Gardasil <http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Gardasil-Reactions-and-Deaths-on-the-Rise-29768.aspx> have been reported. Among them: * 5 girls died * 31 were considered life-threatening * 1,385 required a visit to the emergency room * 451 of the girls have not recovered as of July 2007 * 51 of the girls were disabledThis vaccine is also the most expensive vaccine on the market, so you can follow the money trail to find out why Merck is now trying to push this cervical cancer vaccine on boys <http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/09/18/absurd-vaccine-marketing-cervical-cancer-vaccinations-for-boys.aspx>!Getting the Facts About HPVHealth care officials and the media are portraying Gardasil as the long-awaited cure for cervical cancer, and they’re telling people that the side effects are minimal.However, the side effects of this brand-new vaccine are just beginning to surface, and as time goes by, their severity seems to be increasing.Further, while cervical cancer is a serious issue, it is not the epidemic that the media is portraying it to be <http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/The-Deception-Behind-HPV-Infection-Rates-That-Sells-Unnecessary-Vaccines-6574.aspx>.Of the more than 6 million cases of HPV that occur each year, about 90 percent of them clear up on their own within two years. If you eat right, exercise, and keep stress in your life under control <http://www.mercola.com/forms/eftcourse1.htm>, your immune system should be healthy enough to clear up HPV. Secondly, the vaccine is not fool-proof. You can still get "non-vaccine" types of HPV even if you get vaccinated.Finally, remember that HPV is a sexually transmitted disease, which means that it is nearly 100 percent avoidable by modifying your lifestyle habits.If you have friends of family members who are considering the Gardasil vaccine for their daughter (or son), please forward this video to them so they can make an informed decision.

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It is scary. Who knows what the right thing is.

Deb

In a message dated 10/25/2007 6:13:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, donnabzy@... writes:

My dd gets seizures already, and I have to wonder (since they can't find any brain anomaly) if the vaccines didn't contribute already. It's scary, but it's definitely a decision everyone has to make on their own. I won't do it because meningitis stats aren't high enough, imo, to prove everyone needs a vaccine. But, that's just me...until these things have been around and they can tell me what long-term effects are, I'm staying away.debmetsfanaol wrote:

I would get the meningitis vaccine because I have seen what i could do. My mom was in a coma for two weeks. She had to get a blood transfusion. She was having seizures. It was awful. Finally, her heart gave out. It is a nasty way to go.

I think I will hold off on the other shot.

Deb

In a message dated 10/25/2007 11:45:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, craftychick70 writes:

i work in a hospital and meningitis is a very ugly miserable disease...especially for teenagers and college students-it can (and does) kill a lot people diagnosed with it. unless you and nicole and take all the precautions possible to avoid it, i would say get the vaccination. the hpv the jury is still out on...i dont think there has been enough long term research done on it to make a strong decision one way or anotherdebmetsfanaol wrote:

's pediatrician wants to give her the meningitis vaccine and the new one for young girls. Should I be concerned at all?

Deb

In a message dated 10/24/2007 10:34:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrathswohldaylemc (DOT) org writes:

I guess part of my problem with Dr. Kartzinel is just that I don't really see my son as broken, but different. I did listen to the clip again and she did say recovered, so I have to back away from that issue there. My only reason for saying anything about the MMR is that I keep hearing people blame the mercury in the MMR for their kids being autistic, and the MMR does not contain any. I do think that we need to have research on the issue of the viral load and overloading our kids immune systems. That just seems to be a far more likely cause, and if that is the cause I belive that we need to spread out the immunitizations better so they are not getting so much at one. Thanks for the feedback. >> I agreed with Dr. Kartzinel -- my thoughts are that these kids do have > some broken mechanisms in their body, things that don't work right for > one way or another. But, it may be because I see my son have a ton of > intestinal issues, rashes, aches, etc., that can't be explained, and > many, many children on the spectrum face similar issues. Dr. Kartzinel > is an amazing man, very much on our side, so I'd have a hard time > feeling bad about the fact he's getting awareness out there. Honestly, > personally? I don't get caught up in the semantics. My son has issues, > and I don't care if he's referred to as autistic, which is the peeve I > have with Holly -Peete; she can feel that way about her son, but > to say that it's the wrong vernacular is misrepresentation, imo. I say > my son 'is autistic' sometimes, but I don't say he is "an autistic." My > daughter is epileptic, it's true, it's factual, I can't be bothered by > that. It's just words.> > also never says she 'cured' her son. She says she recovered him. > You probably heard her bus analogy -- you get hit by a bus, you'll never > be cured, you'll always have aches, pains, scars, but you can recover.> > The thing with the MMR shot is that it's a huge dose of vaccine on a > body that is still growing and the mixture can be dangerous to a child > who cannot process the viral/toxic loads as bodies are supposed to. > (Which explains why not every child gets autism after having vaccines. > Most children can process the loads fine, but toxins increase, the > number of children who can't process the increased toxins is growing at > a scary epidemic rate.)> > Be careful to just research the FDA and government sites. It makes sense > that they aren't going to show the side-effects, unless they are in > small print and hard to find. And a 'trace' of thimerasol can still be > WAY more than a tiny body can process per pound.> > And last -- Thimerasol was 'recommended' to be phased out in 1999, but > because it preserves vaccines for years, those vaccines that weren't yet > used stayed on the shelf for years later because they weren't yet > expired, so while new ones weren't made, those ones with thimerasol > still remained.> > Thimerasol/vaccines aren't the sole reason for autism, they are just one > of the most common ones -- pesticides, medications, etc., there's a lot > of toxins out there contributing to it all.> > Hope that helps!> Donna>

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Speaking of new vaccines,,,,,,,,,,anyone know anything about the "cervical cancer vaccine"?????? I guess this is the one they're wanting young girls to get. Robindebmetsfan@... wrote: 's pediatrician wants to give her the meningitis vaccine and the new one for young girls. Should I be concerned at all? Deb In a message dated 10/24/2007 10:34:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight

Time, mrathswohldaylemc (DOT) org writes: I guess part of my problem with Dr. Kartzinel is just that I don't really see my son as broken, but different. I did listen to the clip again and she did say recovered, so I have to back away from that issue there. My only reason for saying anything about the MMR is that I keep hearing people blame the mercury in the MMR for their kids being autistic, and the MMR does not contain any. I do think that we need to have research on the issue of the viral load and overloading our kids immune systems. That just seems to be a far more likely cause, and if that is the cause I belive that we need to spread out the immunitizations better so they are not getting so much at one. Thanks for the

feedback. >> I agreed with Dr. Kartzinel -- my thoughts are that these kids do have > some broken mechanisms in their body, things that don't work right for > one way or another. But, it may be because I see my son have a ton of > intestinal issues, rashes, aches, etc., that can't be explained, and > many, many children on the spectrum face similar issues. Dr. Kartzinel > is an amazing man, very much on our side, so I'd have a hard time > feeling bad about the fact he's getting awareness out there. Honestly, > personally? I don't get caught up in the semantics. My son has issues, > and I don't care if he's referred to as autistic, which is the peeve I >

have with Holly -Peete; she can feel that way about her son, but > to say that it's the wrong vernacular is misrepresentation, imo. I say > my son 'is autistic' sometimes, but I don't say he is "an autistic." My > daughter is epileptic, it's true, it's factual, I can't be bothered by > that. It's just words.> > also never says she 'cured' her son. She says she recovered him. > You probably heard her bus analogy -- you get hit by a bus, you'll never > be cured, you'll always have aches, pains, scars, but you can recover.> > The thing with the MMR shot is that it's a huge dose of vaccine on a > body that is still growing and the mixture can be dangerous to a child > who cannot process the viral/toxic loads as bodies are supposed to. > (Which explains why not every child gets autism after having vaccines. > Most children can

process the loads fine, but toxins increase, the > number of children who can't process the increased toxins is growing at > a scary epidemic rate.)> > Be careful to just research the FDA and government sites. It makes sense > that they aren't going to show the side-effects, unless they are in > small print and hard to find. And a 'trace' of thimerasol can still be > WAY more than a tiny body can process per pound.> > And last -- Thimerasol was 'recommended' to be phased out in 1999, but > because it preserves vaccines for years, those vaccines that weren't yet > used stayed on the shelf for years later because they weren't yet > expired, so while new ones weren't made, those ones with thimerasol > still remained.> > Thimerasol/vaccines aren't the sole reason for autism, they are just one > of the most common ones -- pesticides,

medications, etc., there's a lot > of toxins out there contributing to it all.> > Hope that helps!> Donna> Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. __________________________________________________

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I totally agree about the vaccination schedule -- I'd love to see it

changed! says she's taking it on, so I hope so. She's marching on

Washington in April, I'd love to be there. Nothing's going to change

without a lot of public outcry. We can't even get ABA paid for, and not

all of us get even speech/OT covered, it's a darn shame.

I also wouldn't call my son a 'broken child,' if I wasn't clear. He's

just my son, in all his eccentricities. I just want him healthy, to fix

those parts that don't work right.

wrote:

I guess part of my problem with Dr. Kartzinel is just that I don't

really see my son as broken, but different. I did listen to the clip

again and she did say recovered, so I have to back away from that

issue there. My only reason for saying anything about the MMR is that

I keep hearing people blame the mercury in the MMR for their kids

being autistic, and the MMR does not contain any. I do think that we

need to have research on the issue of the viral load and overloading

our kids immune systems. That just seems to be a far more likely

cause, and if that is the cause I belive that we need to spread out

the immunitizations better so they are not getting so much at one.

Thanks for the feedback.

>

> I agreed with Dr. Kartzinel -- my thoughts are that these kids do

have

> some broken mechanisms in their body, things that don't work right

for

> one way or another. But, it may be because I see my son have a ton

of

> intestinal issues, rashes, aches, etc., that can't be explained,

and

> many, many children on the spectrum face similar issues. Dr.

Kartzinel

> is an amazing man, very much on our side, so I'd have a hard time

> feeling bad about the fact he's getting awareness out there.

Honestly,

> personally? I don't get caught up in the semantics. My son has

issues,

> and I don't care if he's referred to as autistic, which is the

peeve I

> have with Holly -Peete; she can feel that way about her

son, but

> to say that it's the wrong vernacular is misrepresentation, imo. I

say

> my son 'is autistic' sometimes, but I don't say he is "an

autistic." My

> daughter is epileptic, it's true, it's factual, I can't be

bothered

by

> that. It's just words.

>

> also never says she 'cured' her son. She says she recovered

him.

> You probably heard her bus analogy -- you get hit by a bus, you'll

never

> be cured, you'll always have aches, pains, scars, but you can

recover.

>

> The thing with the MMR shot is that it's a huge dose of vaccine on

a

> body that is still growing and the mixture can be dangerous to a

child

> who cannot process the viral/toxic loads as bodies are supposed

to.

> (Which explains why not every child gets autism after having

vaccines.

> Most children can process the loads fine, but toxins increase, the

> number of children who can't process the increased toxins is

growing at

> a scary epidemic rate.)

>

> Be careful to just research the FDA and government sites. It makes

sense

> that they aren't going to show the side-effects, unless they are

in

> small print and hard to find. And a 'trace' of thimerasol can

still

be

> WAY more than a tiny body can process per pound.

>

> And last -- Thimerasol was 'recommended' to be phased out in 1999,

but

> because it preserves vaccines for years, those vaccines that

weren't yet

> used stayed on the shelf for years later because they weren't yet

> expired, so while new ones weren't made, those ones with

thimerasol

> still remained.

>

> Thimerasol/vaccines aren't the sole reason for autism, they are

just one

> of the most common ones -- pesticides, medications, etc., there's

a

lot

> of toxins out there contributing to it all.

>

> Hope that helps!

> Donna

>