Re: My son has sleeping issues too

[Guest guest]

Heidi,

My daughter didn't sleep through the night until just before her 8th

birthday.

Clonidine did help to a degree. If he's sleeping all day and up all

night, when are you giving it to him? Pehaps adjust the time? I

would give it to her at 4pm, and she would conk out at 7pm for a few

hours anyway.

One thing to watch about Clonidine- it can cause heart problems.

Make sure you have an EKG done now, and every time you up the

dosage. It enlarged 's heart. We were very lucky the

pediatrician was on top of that possibility, as she ordered regular

EKGs and caught it in time.

The cocktail that finally got her to start sleeping through the night

was pretty intense, but once her body caught on to the whole sleep

through the night thing, we were able to lower her meds a lot. It

seemed to be a question of finding a way to teach her mind to shut

down for several hours at a stretch, which it took her almost eight

years to do.

It's one of the main reasons I put her in preschool as a toddler, for

a few hours a day- so I could sleep!

Talk about exhausted Mommy!

Know that you're not alone!!

Meira

>

> Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed

and it's really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and

he won't sleep in it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if

we tell him that he has to sleep in his own bed , he has a tantrum .

he is supposed to have his OT eval pretty soon so I am going to let

them know about it and every time I tell my son's neurologist, he

just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine 3pills at

bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't

think they are helping because he gets up at least once in the night

and then he wants to sleep all day, he put him on those meds for

sleeping problems and behavior problems but it seems to make it worse

because he wants to sleep all day and then at night he's so hyper he

is like a wild person , he rus around the house and gets into every

thing.Is anyone going through this?? Also I would like to ask the

group if anyone is going through eating

> issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage

baby food like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit

sometimes he will eat Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite

thing is Peanut butter,{toast and sand} I keep trying other things

But I don't know what to do. Please write back and let me know if you

know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi Van Oss

[Guest guest]

I'm no doctor, but isn't Prozac pretty activating?

Liz

On Mar 29, 2007, at 12:28 AM, Heidi Van Oss wrote:

> Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed

> and it's really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and

> he won't sleep in it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if

> we tell him that he has to sleep in his own bed , he has a

> tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval pretty soon so I am

> going to let them know about it and every time I tell my son's

> neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on

> Clonidine 3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in

> the morning,I don't think they are helping because he gets up at

> least once in the night and then he wants to sleep all day, he put

> him on those meds for sleeping problems and behavior problems but

> it seems to make it worse because he wants to sleep all day and

> then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild person , he rus

> around the house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going through

> this?? Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going

> through eating

> issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby

> food like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes

> he will eat Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is

> Peanut butter,{toast and sand} I keep trying other things But I

> don't know what to do. Please write back and let me know if you

> know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi Van Oss

>

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My would eat nothing but biscuits at that age. So I bought plain cracker

biscuits. They are just as good as bread, but in a drier tastier form. He

likes watermelon too. He is five now and still very thin. But he is very

strong and full of energy, so I am not too worried about him. I just invited

him to try different foods. He eats wheat biscuits for breakfast and most other

foods we eat too. I just try and keep it moderately balanced (he can have

sugar, but not a cup full for breakfast). Regarding sleep...he used to stay

awake till very late then fall asleep anywhere. We'd find him under his bed, in

a sibling's bed, in my bed, and often in front of the heater (which could pose a

problem....a sensory issue I think!!!). It was a nightmare at the time not

knowing where he was going to go at night time. But now, he sleeps through the

night in his own bed. I'd like to encourage you to hang in there. You will get

through this and things will settle down.

Marlicia.

( ) My son has sleeping issues too

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in it,

he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to sleep

in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval pretty

soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my son's

neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine 3pills at

bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't think they are

helping because he gets up at least once in the night and then he wants to sleep

all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping problems and behavior problems

but it seems to make it worse because he wants to sleep all day and then at

night he's so hyper he is like a wild person , he rus around the house and gets

into every thing.Is anyone going through this?? Also I would like to ask the

group if anyone is going through eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food like

Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat Grilled

cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and sand} I

keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write back and let

me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi Van Oss

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OMG !!! Where would we be without SALTEEN CRACKERS!!! I forgot those days

.. Cracker.. Cracker.. Cracker!!! LOL you brought back some memories there!

-- Re: ( ) My son has sleeping issues too

My would eat nothing but biscuits at that age. So I bought plain

cracker biscuits. They are just as good as bread, but in a drier tastier

form. He likes watermelon too. He is five now and still very thin. But he is

very strong and full of energy, so I am not too worried about him. I just

invited him to try different foods. He eats wheat biscuits for breakfast and

most other foods we eat too. I just try and keep it moderately balanced (he

can have sugar, but not a cup full for br eakfast). Regarding sleep...he

used to stay awake till very late then fall asleep anywhere. We'd find him

under his bed, in a sibling's bed, in my bed, and often in front of the

heater (which could pose a problem....a sensory issue I think!!!). It was a

nightmare at the time not knowing where he was going to go at night time.

But now, he sleeps through the night in his own bed. I'd like to encourage

you to hang in there. You will get through this and things will settle down.

Marlicia.

( ) My son has sleeping issues too

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in

it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to

sleep in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval

pretty soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my

son's neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine

3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't

think they are helping because he gets up at least once in the night and

then he wants to sleep all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping

problems and behavior problems but it seems to make it worse because he

wants to sleep all day and then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild

person , he rus around the house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going

through this?? Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food

like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat

Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and

sand} I keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write

back and let me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi

Van Oss

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Speaking from my own experience, Prozac gave me insomnia at night and made me

tired during the day. Same for Zoloft.

Liz

Houston

Liz Bohn <lbohn@...> wrote:

I'm no doctor, but isn't Prozac pretty activating?

Liz

On Mar 29, 2007, at 12:28 AM, Heidi Van Oss wrote:

> Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed

> and it's really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and

> he won't sleep in it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if

> we tell him that he has to sleep in his own bed , he has a

> tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval pretty soon so I am

> going to let them know about it and every time I tell my son's

> neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on

> Clonidine 3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in

> the morning,I don't think they are helping because he gets up at

> least once in the night and then he wants to sleep all day, he put

> him on those meds for sleeping problems and behavior problems but

> it seems to make it worse because he wants to sleep all day and

> then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild person , he rus

> around the house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going through

> this?? Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going

> through eating

> issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby

> food like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes

> he will eat Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is

> Peanut butter,{toast and sand} I keep trying other things But I

> don't know what to do. Please write back and let me know if you

> know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi Van Oss

>

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At that age lived on peanutbutter. Out of the jar with a

spoon. Also some macaroni and cheese and the few fruits that she was

not allergic to.

Meira

> Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going through eating

> issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby

food like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he

will eat Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut

butter,{toast and sand} I keep trying other things But I don't know

what to do. Please write back and let me know if you know of anything I

can do , Thank You!!! Heidi Van Oss

[Guest guest]

As far as the sleeping issue,,,,,,,if you happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what

is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects except

you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a large

couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps with

you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned this

early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have to

find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and

it's really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep

in it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to

sleep in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval

pretty soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my

son's neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine

3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't

think they are helping because he gets up at least once in the night and then he

wants to sleep all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping problems and

behavior problems but it seems to make it worse because he wants to sleep all

day and then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild person , he rus around the

house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going through this?? Also I would like

to ask the group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food like

Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat Grilled

cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and sand} I

keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write back and let

me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi Van Oss

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My then 16 yo was on Prozac and that is when we (I) ended up putting him in the

State hospital. He is bp too though so it made him worse. Meds effect all our

kids differently. I'd ask the dr if maybe you can d/c the prozac and see if his

behavior improves or reduce it. Made my son more suicidal and VERY aggressive

towards me. Toni

Re: ( ) My son has sleeping issues too

Speaking from my own experience, Prozac gave me insomnia at night and made me

tired during the day. Same for Zoloft.

Liz

Houston

Liz Bohn <lbohn@...> wrote:

I'm no doctor, but isn't Prozac pretty activating?

Liz

On Mar 29, 2007, at 12:28 AM, Heidi Van Oss wrote:

> Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed

> and it's really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and

> he won't sleep in it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if

> we tell him that he has to sleep in his own bed , he has a

> tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval pretty soon so I am

> going to let them know about it and every time I tell my son's

> neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on

> Clonidine 3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in

> the morning,I don't think they are helping because he gets up at

> least once in the night and then he wants to sleep all day, he put

> him on those meds for sleeping problems and behavior problems but

> it seems to make it worse because he wants to sleep all day and

> then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild person , he rus

> around the house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going through

> this?? Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going

> through eating

> issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby

> food like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes

> he will eat Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is

> Peanut butter,{toast and sand} I keep trying other things But I

> don't know what to do. Please write back and let me know if you

> know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi Van Oss

>

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Personally I would never let a child sleep in my bed. That is an intimate place

for my husband and I and I don't feel it would be appropriate for my child or

fair to myself and my husband to allow that. My son has always been told to stay

in bed and if he can't sleep, he can read. If he wants to tantrum, fine, just do

it in your room. It may take a lot of saying no but it's worth it, once they

know your serious. If you allow it sometimes, it will be much harder to get them

to not sleep in your bed. I'm not an expert, but I've heard that it's best for

the child NO MATTER WHAT to not sleep with their parents. You may want to read

up about it. It can cause major problems later in life about comfort, sleeping

with others, etc. I can't remember all of what I read about it (that was 9 years

ago), but I remember thinking that no matter what, I would not do that FOR THE

CHILD's SAKE.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: As far as the sleeping

issue,,,,,,,if you happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects except

you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a large

couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps with

you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned this

early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have to

find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in it,

he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to sleep

in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval pretty

soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my son's

neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine 3pills at

bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't think they are

helping because he gets up at least once in the night and then he wants to sleep

all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping problems and behavior problems

but it seems to make it worse because he wants to sleep all day and then at

night he's so hyper he is like a wild person , he rus around the house and gets

into every thing.Is anyone going through this?? Also I would like to ask the

group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food like

Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat Grilled

cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and sand} I

keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write back and let

me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi Van Oss

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Hi.

Even though I was caught off-guard by your comment of " child or fair to myself

and my husband toit wouldn't be appropriate for my do that " ,,,,,,,,,,,

I understand where you're coming from. We just looked at it as a need. If

they would cry because they were hungry, we would feed them. If they cried

because they had a bad dream, we'd comfort them. If they hurt themselves, we

fix them up. All or our children on this site have disorders, so we get them

whatever help we can.

For us,,,,,when our children want to be with us at night, we welcome it. It

is a need for affection that we don't always see during the day, whether it's

because they just don't want to, or are busy playing or because they're at

school. My son unwinds and calms down with the computer after school. My

daughters get a snack and we do homework and then watch Arthur. Another child

rides his bike. The US is one of the few countries who do not advocate sleeping

" as a family " and is one of the only countries who have people, other than

family members, tell them to " let your child cry it out " .

You're right, they do stop crying and " learn " after a while. They give up.

No,,,,,,I'm not saying they are ruined from having to " cry it out " - of course

they aren't. What I'm saying is that cuddling and being close to one-another is

a basic need/want.

My babies were always carried and held by us - constantly. And as they grew,

it was simply our way of life to share the " family bed " . (This is also a great

book - " THE FAMILY BED " ).

But, it has to be a mutual decision. If you don't want it,,,,,,then you

shouldn't. It is only going to cause tension,,,, just like anything else that

is " imposed " on us when not welcome.

As far as reading up on it,,,,,,,,,I have. And I've found incredible books

that say it's the most wonderful, calming, bonding, soothing and natural thing

out there. I've also read that it will " ruin " a marriage as well as the child.

Personally, my kids all sleep in their own beds - most of the time, too. They

have friends and are involved in different activities, sleep over at friends and

are actually quite outgoing. If anything, I think this simple " bonding time "

adds to their self-confidence. There are also nights, though, when we tell

them,,,, " hey,,,,,,why don't you stay in yours tonight and you can come in

tomorrow " . They're ok with that.

Also,,,,,our marriage is fine. We have many kids - we just don't do it in the

bed - at night. Hee hee.

I guess, in a nutshell,,,,,it made me sad when you wrote that you heard that

" NO MATTER WHAT, not to let a child sleep with the parent " . Your child is

YOURS,,,,,,,,,,You have the right to comfort your child any darned way you

choose. This to me, is like saying it's gonna mess them up. We're not talking

about un-monitored tv, un-monitored computer, non-stop violent video games,

drugs, alcohol, bullying, not paying attention to your children, not eating

together at the supper table, not teaching them self-confidence, not teaching

them self-respect or spending time with them.

It's simply letting your kid get in your bed cause they want to be with you.

Once they're there, if it's a highly strung kid or very " tense " kid,,,,,they may

calm down and feel safe. That's a good thing. It's too bad that it's looked at

as such a " dirty " or " selfish " thing to do that's going only going to hurt the

child. I also think that more people do it and don't admit it, because of the

stigma.

Oh well. Didn't mean to make this a sermon. I know we don't all agree and

certainly, what works for 1 isn't going to work for all. I just wanted to

clarify that we weren't freaks. We are normal parents who have chosen to allow

our kids in our bed if they choose.

Robin

Essenfeld <lessen@...> wrote:

Personally I would never let a child sleep in my bed. That is an

intimate place for my husband and I and I don't feel it would be appropriate for

my child or fair to myself and my husband to allow that. My son has always been

told to stay in bed and if he can't sleep, he can read. If he wants to tantrum,

fine, just do it in your room. It may take a lot of saying no but it's worth it,

once they know your serious. If you allow it sometimes, it will be much harder

to get them to not sleep in your bed. I'm not an expert, but I've heard that

it's best for the child NO MATTER WHAT to not sleep with their parents. You may

want to read up about it. It can cause major problems later in life about

comfort, sleeping with others, etc. I can't remember all of what I read about it

(that was 9 years ago), but I remember thinking that no matter what, I would not

do that FOR THE CHILD's SAKE.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: As far as the sleeping issue,,,,,,,if you

happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects except

you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a large

couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps with

you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned this

early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have to

find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in it,

he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to sleep

in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval pretty

soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my son's

neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine 3pills at

bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't think they are

helping because he gets up at least once in the night and then he wants to sleep

all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping problems and behavior problems

but it seems to make it worse because he wants to sleep all day and then at

night he's so hyper he is like a wild person , he rus around the house and gets

into every thing.Is anyone going through this?? Also I would like to ask the

group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food like

Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat Grilled

cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and sand} I

keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write back and let

me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi Van Oss

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My kids get in bed with my husband and I sometimes too. Sometimes it's

because they're scared (Trey slept with us just last night for this reason),

sometimes they might feel sad or even might just want to be somewhere

different. They don't do it every night and they don't get to every time

they want to. In fact there are times we ask if they want to and they don't.

Eventually they'll outgrow wanting to sleep with us so right now, I enjoy

the cuddle time while I can.

My babies were always held by me too or they were at least very near me.

When they were still small enough for the bassinett (*love* those btw) they

were never in a different room. I wanted them to feel safe and secure and

loved at all times and I sincerely believe that helps form a stronger bond.

When they got too big for that, I used a baby carrier and carried them on my

belly and then moved them to my back when they got bigger again.

(Unfortunately I completely missed out on the wrap and sling somehow) Like

you, I'm not saying everyone needs to do things " my " way (or our way as it

seems we have a lot in common lol) but this is what worked best for us.

I have let mine cry, but never for more than 20 minutes and I didn't even do

that " letting them cry " thing long. I didn't see any reason to let them cry

it out with making everyone in the house tense and feel guilty. So what if

they don't cry it out? It never " spoiled " them and they all slept just fine

as babies and toddlers and in fact all three slept through the night at a

much younger age than my friends kids who were crying it out every night.

There's a difference between whining, crying and really sobbing. Whining I

would let go and see if they'd settle on their own, if not, I was there, but

she'd let her babies downright sob and bawl. It was so heartbreaking.

Anyway, I didn't mean to ramble lol but I just wanted to let you know that I

agree with you and we seem to have another thing in common! lol

-Jenn, AEP (ADD, Bi-Polar, Anxiety/Depression)

Proud Momma of Cory Albert (14yrs ADHD), h Dawn (12yrs

Anxiety/Depression)

and Jerry Lee " Trey " (9yrs ADHD, Bi-Polar, Asperger's)

-- Re: ( ) My son has sleeping issues too

Hi.

Even though I was caught off-guard by your comment of " child or fair to

myself and my husband toit wouldn't be appropriate for my do that " ,,,,,,,,,

,

I understand where you're coming from. We just looked at it as a need.

If they would cry because they were hungry, we would feed them. If they

cried because they had a bad dream, we'd comfort them. If they hurt

themselves, we fix them up. All or our children on this site have disorders

so we get them whatever help we can.

For us,,,,,when our children want to be with us at night, we welcome it.

It is a need for affection that we don't always see during the day, whether

it's because they just don't want to, or are busy playing or because they're

at school. My son unwinds and calms down with the computer after school.

My daughters get a snack and we do homework and then watch Arthur. Another

child rides his bike. The US is one of the few countries who do not

advocate sleeping " as a family " and is one of the only countries who have

people, other than family members, tell them to " let your child cry it out " .

You're right, they do stop crying and " learn " after a while. They give up.

No,,,,,,I'm not saying they are ruined from having to " cry it out " - of

course they aren't. What I'm saying is that cuddling and being close to

one-another is a basic need/want.

My babies were always carried and held by us - constantly. And as they

grew, it was simply our way of life to share the " family bed " . (This is also

a great book - " THE FAMILY BED " ).

But, it has to be a mutual decision. If you don't want it,,,,,,then you

shouldn't. It is only going to cause tension,,,, just like anything else

that is " imposed " on us when not welcome.

As far as reading up on it,,,,,,,,,I have. And I've found incredible

books that say it's the most wonderful, calming, bonding, soothing and

natural thing out there. I've also read that it will " ruin " a marriage as

well as the child.

Personally, my kids all sleep in their own beds - most of the time, too.

They have friends and are involved in different activities, sleep over at

friends and are actually quite outgoing. If anything, I think this simple

bonding time " adds to their self-confidence. There are also nights, though,

when we tell them,,,, " hey,,,,,,why don't you stay in yours tonight and you

can come in tomorrow " . They're ok with that.

Also,,,,,our marriage is fine. We have many kids - we just don't do it in

the bed - at night. Hee hee.

I guess, in a nutshell,,,,,it made me sad when you wrote that you heard

that " NO MATTER WHAT, not to let a child sleep with the parent " . Your child

is YOURS,,,,,,,,,,You have the right to comfort your child any darned way

you choose. This to me, is like saying it's gonna mess them up. We're not

talking about un-monitored tv, un-monitored computer, non-stop violent video

games, drugs, alcohol, bullying, not paying attention to your children, not

eating together at the supper table, not teaching them self-confidence, not

teaching them self-respect or spending time with them.

It's simply letting your kid get in your bed cause they want to be with

you. Once they're there, if it's a highly strung kid or very " tense " kid,,,

,they may calm down and feel safe. That's a good thing. It's too bad that

it's looked at as such a " dirty " or " selfish " thing to do that's going only

going to hurt the child. I also think that more people do it and don't

admit it, because of the stigma.

Oh well. Didn't mean to make this a sermon. I know we don't all agree

and certainly, what works for 1 isn't going to work for all. I just wanted

to clarify that we weren't freaks. We are normal parents who have chosen to

allow our kids in our bed if they choose.

Robin

Essenfeld <lessen@...> wrote:

Personally I would never let a child sleep in my bed. That is an

intimate place for my husband and I and I don't feel it would be appropriate

for my child or fair to myself and my husband to allow that. My son has

always been told to stay in bed and if he can't sleep, he can read. If he

wants to tantrum, fine, just do it in your room. It may take a lot of saying

no but it's worth it, once they know your serious. If you allow it sometimes

it will be much harder to get them to not sleep in your bed. I'm not an

expert, but I've heard that it's best for the child NO MATTER WHAT to not

sleep with their parents. You may want to read up about it. It can cause

major problems later in life about comfort, sleeping with others, etc. I can

t remember all of what I read about it (that was 9 years ago), but I

remember thinking that no matter what, I would not do that FOR THE CHILD's

SAKE.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: As far as the sleeping issue,,,,,,,if

you happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects

except you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a

large couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps

with you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned

this early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have

to find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in

it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to

sleep in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval

pretty soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my

son's neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine

3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't

think they are helping because he gets up at least once in the night and

then he wants to sleep all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping

problems and behavior problems but it seems to make it worse because he

wants to sleep all day and then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild

person , he rus around the house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going

through this?? Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food

like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat

Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and

sand} I keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write

back and let me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi

Van Oss

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We do have some things in common, don't we?

I loved the bassinet's too. We also removed 1 side of the 1 crib we ever had

and pushed our bed up against IT, which was against the wall. This was awesome

too. It was when we still were feeling " guilty " for wanting him in our

bed......so we thought as long as he was in the crib, it wasn't " sleeping

together " . I wound up with my top `1/2 in the crib one night when Ian was

moving a lot. Nice picture. haa ha.

I missed out on the sling too but would have loved it. I saw someone using it

today, actually, and it really looks like the way a baby SHOULD be held/carried.

So snug and close.

When topics like this come up, I often wonder if we wouldn't be as close as we

are if we hadn't made the " bed " and " attachment parenting " choices we made. I'm

really glad we did it this way (and continue to).

Where do you hail from?

Robin

Jenn <wyledbunch@...> wrote:

My kids get in bed with my husband and I sometimes too. Sometimes it's

because they're scared (Trey slept with us just last night for this reason),

sometimes they might feel sad or even might just want to be somewhere

different. They don't do it every night and they don't get to every time

they want to. In fact there are times we ask if they want to and they don't.

Eventually they'll outgrow wanting to sleep with us so right now, I enjoy

the cuddle time while I can.

My babies were always held by me too or they were at least very near me.

When they were still small enough for the bassinett (*love* those btw) they

were never in a different room. I wanted them to feel safe and secure and

loved at all times and I sincerely believe that helps form a stronger bond.

When they got too big for that, I used a baby carrier and carried them on my

belly and then moved them to my back when they got bigger again.

(Unfortunately I completely missed out on the wrap and sling somehow) Like

you, I'm not saying everyone needs to do things " my " way (or our way as it

seems we have a lot in common lol) but this is what worked best for us.

I have let mine cry, but never for more than 20 minutes and I didn't even do

that " letting them cry " thing long. I didn't see any reason to let them cry

it out with making everyone in the house tense and feel guilty. So what if

they don't cry it out? It never " spoiled " them and they all slept just fine

as babies and toddlers and in fact all three slept through the night at a

much younger age than my friends kids who were crying it out every night.

There's a difference between whining, crying and really sobbing. Whining I

would let go and see if they'd settle on their own, if not, I was there, but

she'd let her babies downright sob and bawl. It was so heartbreaking.

Anyway, I didn't mean to ramble lol but I just wanted to let you know that I

agree with you and we seem to have another thing in common! lol

-Jenn, AEP (ADD, Bi-Polar, Anxiety/Depression)

Proud Momma of Cory Albert (14yrs ADHD), h Dawn (12yrs

Anxiety/Depression)

and Jerry Lee " Trey " (9yrs ADHD, Bi-Polar, Asperger's)

-- Re: ( ) My son has sleeping issues too

Hi.

Even though I was caught off-guard by your comment of " child or fair to

myself and my husband toit wouldn't be appropriate for my do that " ,,,,,,,,,

,

I understand where you're coming from. We just looked at it as a need.

If they would cry because they were hungry, we would feed them. If they

cried because they had a bad dream, we'd comfort them. If they hurt

themselves, we fix them up. All or our children on this site have disorders

so we get them whatever help we can.

For us,,,,,when our children want to be with us at night, we welcome it.

It is a need for affection that we don't always see during the day, whether

it's because they just don't want to, or are busy playing or because they're

at school. My son unwinds and calms down with the computer after school.

My daughters get a snack and we do homework and then watch Arthur. Another

child rides his bike. The US is one of the few countries who do not

advocate sleeping " as a family " and is one of the only countries who have

people, other than family members, tell them to " let your child cry it out " .

You're right, they do stop crying and " learn " after a while. They give up.

No,,,,,,I'm not saying they are ruined from having to " cry it out " - of

course they aren't. What I'm saying is that cuddling and being close to

one-another is a basic need/want.

My babies were always carried and held by us - constantly. And as they

grew, it was simply our way of life to share the " family bed " . (This is also

a great book - " THE FAMILY BED " ).

But, it has to be a mutual decision. If you don't want it,,,,,,then you

shouldn't. It is only going to cause tension,,,, just like anything else

that is " imposed " on us when not welcome.

As far as reading up on it,,,,,,,,,I have. And I've found incredible

books that say it's the most wonderful, calming, bonding, soothing and

natural thing out there. I've also read that it will " ruin " a marriage as

well as the child.

Personally, my kids all sleep in their own beds - most of the time, too.

They have friends and are involved in different activities, sleep over at

friends and are actually quite outgoing. If anything, I think this simple

bonding time " adds to their self-confidence. There are also nights, though,

when we tell them,,,, " hey,,,,,,why don't you stay in yours tonight and you

can come in tomorrow " . They're ok with that.

Also,,,,,our marriage is fine. We have many kids - we just don't do it in

the bed - at night. Hee hee.

I guess, in a nutshell,,,,,it made me sad when you wrote that you heard

that " NO MATTER WHAT, not to let a child sleep with the parent " . Your child

is YOURS,,,,,,,,,,You have the right to comfort your child any darned way

you choose. This to me, is like saying it's gonna mess them up. We're not

talking about un-monitored tv, un-monitored computer, non-stop violent video

games, drugs, alcohol, bullying, not paying attention to your children, not

eating together at the supper table, not teaching them self-confidence, not

teaching them self-respect or spending time with them.

It's simply letting your kid get in your bed cause they want to be with

you. Once they're there, if it's a highly strung kid or very " tense " kid,,,

,they may calm down and feel safe. That's a good thing. It's too bad that

it's looked at as such a " dirty " or " selfish " thing to do that's going only

going to hurt the child. I also think that more people do it and don't

admit it, because of the stigma.

Oh well. Didn't mean to make this a sermon. I know we don't all agree

and certainly, what works for 1 isn't going to work for all. I just wanted

to clarify that we weren't freaks. We are normal parents who have chosen to

allow our kids in our bed if they choose.

Robin

Essenfeld <lessen@...> wrote:

Personally I would never let a child sleep in my bed. That is an

intimate place for my husband and I and I don't feel it would be appropriate

for my child or fair to myself and my husband to allow that. My son has

always been told to stay in bed and if he can't sleep, he can read. If he

wants to tantrum, fine, just do it in your room. It may take a lot of saying

no but it's worth it, once they know your serious. If you allow it sometimes

it will be much harder to get them to not sleep in your bed. I'm not an

expert, but I've heard that it's best for the child NO MATTER WHAT to not

sleep with their parents. You may want to read up about it. It can cause

major problems later in life about comfort, sleeping with others, etc. I can

t remember all of what I read about it (that was 9 years ago), but I

remember thinking that no matter what, I would not do that FOR THE CHILD's

SAKE.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: As far as the sleeping issue,,,,,,,if

you happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects

except you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a

large couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps

with you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned

this early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have

to find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in

it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to

sleep in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval

pretty soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my

son's neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine

3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't

think they are helping because he gets up at least once in the night and

then he wants to sleep all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping

problems and behavior problems but it seems to make it worse because he

wants to sleep all day and then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild

person , he rus around the house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going

through this?? Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food

like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat

Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and

sand} I keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write

back and let me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi

Van Oss

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What a good idea though to have the bed up against the crib! You know, I'm

surprised I never thought of that lol I bet you looked cute half in the crib

though! rofl

I really do think that things like that help form a stronger bond. It just

seems like it would.

I'm in Ohio, right on the Oh/WV/Pa border.

-Jenn, AEP (ADD, Bi-Polar, Anxiety/Depression)

Proud Momma of Cory Albert (14yrs ADHD), h Dawn (12yrs

Anxiety/Depression)

and Jerry Lee " Trey " (9yrs ADHD, Bi-Polar, Asperger's)

-- Re: ( ) My son has sleeping issues too

Hi.

Even though I was caught off-guard by your comment of " child or fair to

myself and my husband toit wouldn't be appropriate for my do that " ,,,,,,,,,

,

I understand where you're coming from. We just looked at it as a need.

If they would cry because they were hungry, we would feed them. If they

cried because they had a bad dream, we'd comfort them. If they hurt

themselves, we fix them up. All or our children on this site have disorders

so we get them whatever help we can.

For us,,,,,when our children want to be with us at night, we welcome it.

It is a need for affection that we don't always see during the day, whether

it's because they just don't want to, or are busy playing or because they're

at school. My son unwinds and calms down with the computer after school.

My daughters get a snack and we do homework and then watch Arthur. Another

child rides his bike. The US is one of the few countries who do not

advocate sleeping " as a family " and is one of the only countries who have

people, other than family members, tell them to " let your child cry it out " .

You're right, they do stop crying and " learn " after a while. They give up.

No,,,,,,I'm not saying they are ruined from having to " cry it out " - of

course they aren't. What I'm saying is that cuddling and being close to

one-another is a basic need/want.

My babies were always carried and held by us - constantly. And as they

grew, it was simply our way of life to share the " family bed " . (This is also

a great book - " THE FAMILY BED " ).

But, it has to be a mutual decision. If you don't want it,,,,,,then you

shouldn't. It is only going to cause tension,,,, just like anything else

that is " imposed " on us when not welcome.

As far as reading up on it,,,,,,,,,I have. And I've found incredible

books that say it's the most wonderful, calming, bonding, soothing and

natural thing out there. I've also read that it will " ruin " a marriage as

well as the child.

Personally, my kids all sleep in their own beds - most of the time, too.

They have friends and are involved in different activities, sleep over at

friends and are actually quite outgoing. If anything, I think this simple

bonding time " adds to their self-confidence. There are also nights, though,

when we tell them,,,, " hey,,,,,,why don't you stay in yours tonight and you

can come in tomorrow " . They're ok with that.

Also,,,,,our marriage is fine. We have many kids - we just don't do it in

the bed - at night. Hee hee.

I guess, in a nutshell,,,,,it made me sad when you wrote that you heard

that " NO MATTER WHAT, not to let a child sleep with the parent " . Your child

is YOURS,,,,,,,,,,You have the right to comfort your child any darned way

you choose. This to me, is like saying it's gonna mess them up. We're not

talking about un-monitored tv, un-monitored computer, non-stop violent video

games, drugs, alcohol, bullying, not paying attention to your children, not

eating together at the supper table, not teaching them self-confidence, not

teaching them self-respect or spending time with them.

It's simply letting your kid get in your bed cause they want to be with

you. Once they're there, if it's a highly strung kid or very " tense " kid,,,

,they may calm down and feel safe. That's a good thing. It's too bad that

it's looked at as such a " dirty " or " selfish " thing to do that's going only

going to hurt the child. I also think that more people do it and don't

admit it, because of the stigma.

Oh well. Didn't mean to make this a sermon. I know we don't all agree

and certainly, what works for 1 isn't going to work for all. I just wanted

to clarify that we weren't freaks. We are normal parents who have chosen to

allow our kids in our bed if they choose.

Robin

Essenfeld <lessen@...> wrote:

Personally I would never let a child sleep in my bed. That is an

intimate place for my husband and I and I don't feel it would be appropriate

for my child or fair to myself and my husband to allow that. My son has

always been told to stay in bed and if he can't sleep, he can read. If he

wants to tantrum, fine, just do it in your room. It may take a lot of saying

no but it's worth it, once they know your serious. If you allow it sometimes

it will be much harder to get them to not sleep in your bed. I'm not an

expert, but I've heard that it's best for the child NO MATTER WHAT to not

sleep with their parents. You may want to read up about it. It can cause

major problems later in life about comfort, sleeping with others, etc. I can

t remember all of what I read about it (that was 9 years ago), but I

remember thinking that no matter what, I would not do that FOR THE CHILD's

SAKE.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: As far as the sleeping issue,,,,,,,if

you happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects

except you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a

large couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps

with you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned

this early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have

to find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in

it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to

sleep in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval

pretty soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my

son's neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine

3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't

think they are helping because he gets up at least once in the night and

then he wants to sleep all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping

problems and behavior problems but it seems to make it worse because he

wants to sleep all day and then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild

person , he rus around the house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going

through this?? Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food

like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat

Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and

sand} I keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write

back and let me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi

Van Oss

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Oh I missed the wrap/sling too! I so wish I had done this with my kids.

I am a single mom and my kids, ages 7 and 4, take turns sleeping with me. I

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with me as we talk about our day and such. It's their one on one with me.

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Yeah,,,,,,real cute. Nothing like being a new (naive), breastfeeding, leeking

mother sleeping in a crib. Ha ha.

We're in Wisconsin. 2 1/2 -3 hours north of Chicago.

Robin

Jenn <wyledbunch@...> wrote:

What a good idea though to have the bed up against the crib! You know,

I'm

surprised I never thought of that lol I bet you looked cute half in the crib

though! rofl

I really do think that things like that help form a stronger bond. It just

seems like it would.

I'm in Ohio, right on the Oh/WV/Pa border.

-Jenn, AEP (ADD, Bi-Polar, Anxiety/Depression)

Proud Momma of Cory Albert (14yrs ADHD), h Dawn (12yrs

Anxiety/Depression)

and Jerry Lee " Trey " (9yrs ADHD, Bi-Polar, Asperger's)

-- Re: ( ) My son has sleeping issues too

Hi.

Even though I was caught off-guard by your comment of " child or fair to

myself and my husband toit wouldn't be appropriate for my do that " ,,,,,,,,,

,

I understand where you're coming from. We just looked at it as a need.

If they would cry because they were hungry, we would feed them. If they

cried because they had a bad dream, we'd comfort them. If they hurt

themselves, we fix them up. All or our children on this site have disorders

so we get them whatever help we can.

For us,,,,,when our children want to be with us at night, we welcome it.

It is a need for affection that we don't always see during the day, whether

it's because they just don't want to, or are busy playing or because they're

at school. My son unwinds and calms down with the computer after school.

My daughters get a snack and we do homework and then watch Arthur. Another

child rides his bike. The US is one of the few countries who do not

advocate sleeping " as a family " and is one of the only countries who have

people, other than family members, tell them to " let your child cry it out " .

You're right, they do stop crying and " learn " after a while. They give up.

No,,,,,,I'm not saying they are ruined from having to " cry it out " - of

course they aren't. What I'm saying is that cuddling and being close to

one-another is a basic need/want.

My babies were always carried and held by us - constantly. And as they

grew, it was simply our way of life to share the " family bed " . (This is also

a great book - " THE FAMILY BED " ).

But, it has to be a mutual decision. If you don't want it,,,,,,then you

shouldn't. It is only going to cause tension,,,, just like anything else

that is " imposed " on us when not welcome.

As far as reading up on it,,,,,,,,,I have. And I've found incredible

books that say it's the most wonderful, calming, bonding, soothing and

natural thing out there. I've also read that it will " ruin " a marriage as

well as the child.

Personally, my kids all sleep in their own beds - most of the time, too.

They have friends and are involved in different activities, sleep over at

friends and are actually quite outgoing. If anything, I think this simple

bonding time " adds to their self-confidence. There are also nights, though,

when we tell them,,,, " hey,,,,,,why don't you stay in yours tonight and you

can come in tomorrow " . They're ok with that.

Also,,,,,our marriage is fine. We have many kids - we just don't do it in

the bed - at night. Hee hee.

I guess, in a nutshell,,,,,it made me sad when you wrote that you heard

that " NO MATTER WHAT, not to let a child sleep with the parent " . Your child

is YOURS,,,,,,,,,,You have the right to comfort your child any darned way

you choose. This to me, is like saying it's gonna mess them up. We're not

talking about un-monitored tv, un-monitored computer, non-stop violent video

games, drugs, alcohol, bullying, not paying attention to your children, not

eating together at the supper table, not teaching them self-confidence, not

teaching them self-respect or spending time with them.

It's simply letting your kid get in your bed cause they want to be with

you. Once they're there, if it's a highly strung kid or very " tense " kid,,,

,they may calm down and feel safe. That's a good thing. It's too bad that

it's looked at as such a " dirty " or " selfish " thing to do that's going only

going to hurt the child. I also think that more people do it and don't

admit it, because of the stigma.

Oh well. Didn't mean to make this a sermon. I know we don't all agree

and certainly, what works for 1 isn't going to work for all. I just wanted

to clarify that we weren't freaks. We are normal parents who have chosen to

allow our kids in our bed if they choose.

Robin

Essenfeld <lessen@...> wrote:

Personally I would never let a child sleep in my bed. That is an

intimate place for my husband and I and I don't feel it would be appropriate

for my child or fair to myself and my husband to allow that. My son has

always been told to stay in bed and if he can't sleep, he can read. If he

wants to tantrum, fine, just do it in your room. It may take a lot of saying

no but it's worth it, once they know your serious. If you allow it sometimes

it will be much harder to get them to not sleep in your bed. I'm not an

expert, but I've heard that it's best for the child NO MATTER WHAT to not

sleep with their parents. You may want to read up about it. It can cause

major problems later in life about comfort, sleeping with others, etc. I can

t remember all of what I read about it (that was 9 years ago), but I

remember thinking that no matter what, I would not do that FOR THE CHILD's

SAKE.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: As far as the sleeping issue,,,,,,,if

you happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects

except you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a

large couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps

with you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned

this early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have

to find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in

it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to

sleep in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval

pretty soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my

son's neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine

3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't

think they are helping because he gets up at least once in the night and

then he wants to sleep all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping

problems and behavior problems but it seems to make it worse because he

wants to sleep all day and then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild

person , he rus around the house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going

through this?? Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food

like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat

Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and

sand} I keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write

back and let me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi

Van Oss

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Just wanted to make an observation if I may. Not only is Autism generally

speaking a wide spectrum " disorder " ( I personally don't consider Asperger's a

disorder, but just another way of processing). But there are varying degrees of

Asperger's as well. The one thing that my son did well was sleep. This was a

kid who has slept through 3, count 'em 3 earthquakes.

Tena

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote:

Yeah,,,,,,real cute. Nothing like being a new (naive), breastfeeding,

leeking mother sleeping in a crib. Ha ha.

We're in Wisconsin. 2 1/2 -3 hours north of Chicago.

Robin

Jenn <wyledbunch@...> wrote:

What a good idea though to have the bed up against the crib! You know, I'm

surprised I never thought of that lol I bet you looked cute half in the crib

though! rofl

I really do think that things like that help form a stronger bond. It just

seems like it would.

I'm in Ohio, right on the Oh/WV/Pa border.

-Jenn, AEP (ADD, Bi-Polar, Anxiety/Depression)

Proud Momma of Cory Albert (14yrs ADHD), h Dawn (12yrs

Anxiety/Depression)

and Jerry Lee " Trey " (9yrs ADHD, Bi-Polar, Asperger's)

-- Re: ( ) My son has sleeping issues too

Hi.

Even though I was caught off-guard by your comment of " child or fair to

myself and my husband toit wouldn't be appropriate for my do that " ,,,,,,,,,

,

I understand where you're coming from. We just looked at it as a need.

If they would cry because they were hungry, we would feed them. If they

cried because they had a bad dream, we'd comfort them. If they hurt

themselves, we fix them up. All or our children on this site have disorders

so we get them whatever help we can.

For us,,,,,when our children want to be with us at night, we welcome it.

It is a need for affection that we don't always see during the day, whether

it's because they just don't want to, or are busy playing or because they're

at school. My son unwinds and calms down with the computer after school.

My daughters get a snack and we do homework and then watch Arthur. Another

child rides his bike. The US is one of the few countries who do not

advocate sleeping " as a family " and is one of the only countries who have

people, other than family members, tell them to " let your child cry it out " .

You're right, they do stop crying and " learn " after a while. They give up.

No,,,,,,I'm not saying they are ruined from having to " cry it out " - of

course they aren't. What I'm saying is that cuddling and being close to

one-another is a basic need/want.

My babies were always carried and held by us - constantly. And as they

grew, it was simply our way of life to share the " family bed " . (This is also

a great book - " THE FAMILY BED " ).

But, it has to be a mutual decision. If you don't want it,,,,,,then you

shouldn't. It is only going to cause tension,,,, just like anything else

that is " imposed " on us when not welcome.

As far as reading up on it,,,,,,,,,I have. And I've found incredible

books that say it's the most wonderful, calming, bonding, soothing and

natural thing out there. I've also read that it will " ruin " a marriage as

well as the child.

Personally, my kids all sleep in their own beds - most of the time, too.

They have friends and are involved in different activities, sleep over at

friends and are actually quite outgoing. If anything, I think this simple

bonding time " adds to their self-confidence. There are also nights, though,

when we tell them,,,, " hey,,,,,,why don't you stay in yours tonight and you

can come in tomorrow " . They're ok with that.

Also,,,,,our marriage is fine. We have many kids - we just don't do it in

the bed - at night. Hee hee.

I guess, in a nutshell,,,,,it made me sad when you wrote that you heard

that " NO MATTER WHAT, not to let a child sleep with the parent " . Your child

is YOURS,,,,,,,,,,You have the right to comfort your child any darned way

you choose. This to me, is like saying it's gonna mess them up. We're not

talking about un-monitored tv, un-monitored computer, non-stop violent video

games, drugs, alcohol, bullying, not paying attention to your children, not

eating together at the supper table, not teaching them self-confidence, not

teaching them self-respect or spending time with them.

It's simply letting your kid get in your bed cause they want to be with

you. Once they're there, if it's a highly strung kid or very " tense " kid,,,

,they may calm down and feel safe. That's a good thing. It's too bad that

it's looked at as such a " dirty " or " selfish " thing to do that's going only

going to hurt the child. I also think that more people do it and don't

admit it, because of the stigma.

Oh well. Didn't mean to make this a sermon. I know we don't all agree

and certainly, what works for 1 isn't going to work for all. I just wanted

to clarify that we weren't freaks. We are normal parents who have chosen to

allow our kids in our bed if they choose.

Robin

Essenfeld <lessen@...> wrote:

Personally I would never let a child sleep in my bed. That is an

intimate place for my husband and I and I don't feel it would be appropriate

for my child or fair to myself and my husband to allow that. My son has

always been told to stay in bed and if he can't sleep, he can read. If he

wants to tantrum, fine, just do it in your room. It may take a lot of saying

no but it's worth it, once they know your serious. If you allow it sometimes

it will be much harder to get them to not sleep in your bed. I'm not an

expert, but I've heard that it's best for the child NO MATTER WHAT to not

sleep with their parents. You may want to read up about it. It can cause

major problems later in life about comfort, sleeping with others, etc. I can

t remember all of what I read about it (that was 9 years ago), but I

remember thinking that no matter what, I would not do that FOR THE CHILD's

SAKE.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: As far as the sleeping issue,,,,,,,if

you happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects

except you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a

large couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps

with you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned

this early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have

to find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in

it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to

sleep in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval

pretty soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my

son's neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine

3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't

think they are helping because he gets up at least once in the night and

then he wants to sleep all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping

problems and behavior problems but it seems to make it worse because he

wants to sleep all day and then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild

person , he rus around the house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going

through this?? Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food

like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat

Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and

sand} I keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write

back and let me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi

Van Oss

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Robin,

this came up one time at a parenting class I went to, and a parent said, its

only " dirty " if the adults think it is. If that makes sense to you?

I knew an older woman (approx in her 60ies) said, if you pick up a baby just

because they cried, you will ruin them. hummm, I always pick my kids up when

they cried. at 8 & 9 years old, they hardly cry. (when they fall off their bikes,

yes). they don't cry because another child won a prize/game and they didn't.

others say, they will pick them up when they cry. it comforts them and builds

up there self esteem. Some say, crying helps their lungs???

*you will always find a book that will contradict* another. LOL look at the

diet books. some say Dr. Atlas book " eat all the meat you want diet, and lose

weight " is the best!!!

another book will say, Dr. Atlas books could cause a heart attack and kill

you.

same with parenting, as you already know.

Do whats best for your children/family.

I don't see anything wrong with it " unless that parent feels there is " .

***That's OK too***. SMILE

all parenting skills are so different. some relate, some don't. some parents

let their children sleep in their rooms with a sleeping bag next to them on the

floor, some make sleeping fun and put a tent in their rooms with a sleeping bag

like camping. some remodel the rooms. and some, let their kids in their beds

with them. (parents)

I'm the one that wrote, I can't sleep with my kids in my bed because they hog

the blankets, kick, turn and I don't get any sleep, which I need. So, when my

kids need that extra support at night, climb into my bed with me, I climb out

and get into theirs. but, my kids are ok with that.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote:

Hi.

Even though I was caught off-guard by your comment of " child or fair to myself

and my husband toit wouldn't be appropriate for my do that " ,,,,,,,,,,,

I understand where you're coming from. We just looked at it as a need. If they

would cry because they were hungry, we would feed them. If they cried because

they had a bad dream, we'd comfort them. If they hurt themselves, we fix them

up. All or our children on this site have disorders, so we get them whatever

help we can.

For us,,,,,when our children want to be with us at night, we welcome it. It is a

need for affection that we don't always see during the day, whether it's because

they just don't want to, or are busy playing or because they're at school. My

son unwinds and calms down with the computer after school. My daughters get a

snack and we do homework and then watch Arthur. Another child rides his bike.

The US is one of the few countries who do not advocate sleeping " as a family "

and is one of the only countries who have people, other than family members,

tell them to " let your child cry it out " .

You're right, they do stop crying and " learn " after a while. They give up.

No,,,,,,I'm not saying they are ruined from having to " cry it out " - of course

they aren't. What I'm saying is that cuddling and being close to one-another is

a basic need/want.

My babies were always carried and held by us - constantly. And as they grew, it

was simply our way of life to share the " family bed " . (This is also a great book

- " THE FAMILY BED " ).

But, it has to be a mutual decision. If you don't want it,,,,,,then you

shouldn't. It is only going to cause tension,,,, just like anything else that is

" imposed " on us when not welcome.

As far as reading up on it,,,,,,,,,I have. And I've found incredible books that

say it's the most wonderful, calming, bonding, soothing and natural thing out

there. I've also read that it will " ruin " a marriage as well as the child.

Personally, my kids all sleep in their own beds - most of the time, too. They

have friends and are involved in different activities, sleep over at friends and

are actually quite outgoing. If anything, I think this simple " bonding time "

adds to their self-confidence. There are also nights, though, when we tell

them,,,, " hey,,,,,,why don't you stay in yours tonight and you can come in

tomorrow " . They're ok with that.

Also,,,,,our marriage is fine. We have many kids - we just don't do it in the

bed - at night. Hee hee.

I guess, in a nutshell,,,,,it made me sad when you wrote that you heard that " NO

MATTER WHAT, not to let a child sleep with the parent " . Your child is

YOURS,,,,,,,,,,You have the right to comfort your child any darned way you

choose. This to me, is like saying it's gonna mess them up. We're not talking

about un-monitored tv, un-monitored computer, non-stop violent video games,

drugs, alcohol, bullying, not paying attention to your children, not eating

together at the supper table, not teaching them self-confidence, not teaching

them self-respect or spending time with them.

It's simply letting your kid get in your bed cause they want to be with you.

Once they're there, if it's a highly strung kid or very " tense " kid,,,,,they may

calm down and feel safe. That's a good thing. It's too bad that it's looked at

as such a " dirty " or " selfish " thing to do that's going only going to hurt the

child. I also think that more people do it and don't admit it, because of the

stigma.

Oh well. Didn't mean to make this a sermon. I know we don't all agree and

certainly, what works for 1 isn't going to work for all. I just wanted to

clarify that we weren't freaks. We are normal parents who have chosen to allow

our kids in our bed if they choose.

Robin

Essenfeld <lessen@...> wrote:

Personally I would never let a child sleep in my bed. That is an intimate place

for my husband and I and I don't feel it would be appropriate for my child or

fair to myself and my husband to allow that. My son has always been told to stay

in bed and if he can't sleep, he can read. If he wants to tantrum, fine, just do

it in your room. It may take a lot of saying no but it's worth it, once they

know your serious. If you allow it sometimes, it will be much harder to get them

to not sleep in your bed. I'm not an expert, but I've heard that it's best for

the child NO MATTER WHAT to not sleep with their parents. You may want to read

up about it. It can cause major problems later in life about comfort, sleeping

with others, etc. I can't remember all of what I read about it (that was 9 years

ago), but I remember thinking that no matter what, I would not do that FOR THE

CHILD's SAKE.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: As far as the sleeping issue,,,,,,,if you

happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects except

you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a large

couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps with

you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned this

early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have to

find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in it,

he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to sleep

in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval pretty

soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my son's

neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine 3pills at

bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't think they are

helping because he gets up at least once in the night and then he wants to sleep

all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping problems and behavior problems

but it seems to make it worse because he wants to sleep all day and then at

night he's so hyper he is like a wild person , he rus around the house and gets

into every thing.Is anyone going through this?? Also I would like to ask the

group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food like

Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat Grilled

cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and sand} I

keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write back and let

me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi Van Oss

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rofl What an adorable image though!

I'm terrible with geography (even my own lol) so I asked my husband how far

we are from Chicago. He said our distance is " so far you don't want to know "

and then he came out with the truth and said " I don't know " but he did say

we're southeast of Chicago lol He's a big help isn't he?

So I guess we're " so far you don't want to know " plus 2 1/2-3 hours away

rofl

-Jenn, AEP (ADD, Bi-Polar, Anxiety/Depression)

Proud Momma of Cory Albert (14yrs ADHD), h Dawn (12yrs

Anxiety/Depression)

and Jerry Lee " Trey " (9yrs ADHD, Bi-Polar, Asperger's)

-- Re: ( ) My son has sleeping issues too

Hi.

Even though I was caught off-guard by your comment of " child or fair to

myself and my husband toit wouldn't be appropriate for my do that " ,,,,,,,,,

,

I understand where you're coming from. We just looked at it as a need.

If they would cry because they were hungry, we would feed them. If they

cried because they had a bad dream, we'd comfort them. If they hurt

themselves, we fix them up. All or our children on this site have disorders

so we get them whatever help we can.

For us,,,,,when our children want to be with us at night, we welcome it.

It is a need for affection that we don't always see during the day, whether

it's because they just don't want to, or are busy playing or because they're

at school. My son unwinds and calms down with the computer after school.

My daughters get a snack and we do homework and then watch Arthur. Another

child rides his bike. The US is one of the few countries who do not

advocate sleeping " as a family " and is one of the only countries who have

people, other than family members, tell them to " let your child cry it out " .

You're right, they do stop crying and " learn " after a while. They give up.

No,,,,,,I'm not saying they are ruined from having to " cry it out " - of

course they aren't. What I'm saying is that cuddling and being close to

one-another is a basic need/want.

My babies were always carried and held by us - constantly. And as they

grew, it was simply our way of life to share the " family bed " . (This is also

a great book - " THE FAMILY BED " ).

But, it has to be a mutual decision. If you don't want it,,,,,,then you

shouldn't. It is only going to cause tension,,,, just like anything else

that is " imposed " on us when not welcome.

As far as reading up on it,,,,,,,,,I have. And I've found incredible

books that say it's the most wonderful, calming, bonding, soothing and

natural thing out there. I've also read that it will " ruin " a marriage as

well as the child.

Personally, my kids all sleep in their own beds - most of the time, too.

They have friends and are involved in different activities, sleep over at

friends and are actually quite outgoing. If anything, I think this simple

bonding time " adds to their self-confidence. There are also nights, though,

when we tell them,,,, " hey,,,,,,why don't you stay in yours tonight and you

can come in tomorrow " . They're ok with that.

Also,,,,,our marriage is fine. We have many kids - we just don't do it in

the bed - at night. Hee hee.

I guess, in a nutshell,,,,,it made me sad when you wrote that you heard

that " NO MATTER WHAT, not to let a child sleep with the parent " . Your child

is YOURS,,,,,,,,,,You have the right to comfort your child any darned way

you choose. This to me, is like saying it's gonna mess them up. We're not

talking about un-monitored tv, un-monitored computer, non-stop violent video

games, drugs, alcohol, bullying, not paying attention to your children, not

eating together at the supper table, not teaching them self-confidence, not

teaching them self-respect or spending time with them.

It's simply letting your kid get in your bed cause they want to be with

you. Once they're there, if it's a highly strung kid or very " tense " kid,,,

,they may calm down and feel safe. That's a good thing. It's too bad that

it's looked at as such a " dirty " or " selfish " thing to do that's going only

going to hurt the child. I also think that more people do it and don't

admit it, because of the stigma.

Oh well. Didn't mean to make this a sermon. I know we don't all agree

and certainly, what works for 1 isn't going to work for all. I just wanted

to clarify that we weren't freaks. We are normal parents who have chosen to

allow our kids in our bed if they choose.

Robin

Essenfeld <lessen@...> wrote:

Personally I would never let a child sleep in my bed. That is an

intimate place for my husband and I and I don't feel it would be appropriate

for my child or fair to myself and my husband to allow that. My son has

always been told to stay in bed and if he can't sleep, he can read. If he

wants to tantrum, fine, just do it in your room. It may take a lot of saying

no but it's worth it, once they know your serious. If you allow it sometimes

it will be much harder to get them to not sleep in your bed. I'm not an

expert, but I've heard that it's best for the child NO MATTER WHAT to not

sleep with their parents. You may want to read up about it. It can cause

major problems later in life about comfort, sleeping with others, etc. I can

t remember all of what I read about it (that was 9 years ago), but I

remember thinking that no matter what, I would not do that FOR THE CHILD's

SAKE.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: As far as the sleeping issue,,,,,,,if

you happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects

except you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a

large couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps

with you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned

this early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have

to find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in

it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to

sleep in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval

pretty soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my

son's neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine

3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't

think they are helping because he gets up at least once in the night and

then he wants to sleep all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping

problems and behavior problems but it seems to make it worse because he

wants to sleep all day and then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild

person , he rus around the house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going

through this?? Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food

like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat

Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and

sand} I keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write

back and let me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi

Van Oss

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Well I totally agree on all that you said. It's nice to hear the side of a real

person that feels that way. I think I've always given too much credit to

professionals as well as my son's father and my current husband. Even though for

me, I would love to let my little guy sleep with me, I got SO much crap for

wanting that when my son was a baby from his dad, plus the doctors and

therapists saying that it was a big no no, that I just honestly really thought I

was being selfish. We split up when my son was almost 3 and when I lived on my

own and had my son only half the week, I did let him sleep in my bed sometimes.

It started out because he got sick for about a week strait and we were in a new

home. I didn't want him to be scared AND there was no one there to tell me no!!

It wasn't every night, it was on and off for about a year, depending on how he

was doing and feeling. But I have to admit, I loved snuggling so much!! I moved

in with my current husband when my son was 7 and

by that point my son was only coming into my bed in the morning to watch

cartoons. This was something my new hubby did not like one little bit. Once

again I thought I was the one being selfish. Some of my favorite memories was

going into my dad's room in the morning and watching cartoons. At my mom's house

my stepdad wouldn't allow that and that always bothered me. This was a huge

problem for me when we first moved in together. In the end, I could see where he

was coming from and I may have been overly sensitive about it because of my

childhood experiences. But it didn't seem to bother my son any, I just told him

to wake me up in the morning and I'll come out to the couch and we could snuggle

there and watch cartoons. Then during an Asperger Support Group meeting there

was a therapit speaker and the topic was kids sleeping in there parents bed and

what a big no no that was. And my son's dad and my current hubby kept looking

right at me when she'd say certain things that I

was " guilty " of. So I guess what I heard from you and I actually agreed with, I

hear the oposite from ALL the people in my life, that I thought I must be in the

wrong.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote:

Hi.

Even though I was caught off-guard by your comment of " child or fair to myself

and my husband toit wouldn't be appropriate for my do that " ,,,,,,,,,,,

I understand where you're coming from. We just looked at it as a need. If they

would cry because they were hungry, we would feed them. If they cried because

they had a bad dream, we'd comfort them. If they hurt themselves, we fix them

up. All or our children on this site have disorders, so we get them whatever

help we can.

For us,,,,,when our children want to be with us at night, we welcome it. It is a

need for affection that we don't always see during the day, whether it's because

they just don't want to, or are busy playing or because they're at school. My

son unwinds and calms down with the computer after school. My daughters get a

snack and we do homework and then watch Arthur. Another child rides his bike.

The US is one of the few countries who do not advocate sleeping " as a family "

and is one of the only countries who have people, other than family members,

tell them to " let your child cry it out " .

You're right, they do stop crying and " learn " after a while. They give up.

No,,,,,,I'm not saying they are ruined from having to " cry it out " - of course

they aren't. What I'm saying is that cuddling and being close to one-another is

a basic need/want.

My babies were always carried and held by us - constantly. And as they grew, it

was simply our way of life to share the " family bed " . (This is also a great book

- " THE FAMILY BED " ).

But, it has to be a mutual decision. If you don't want it,,,,,,then you

shouldn't. It is only going to cause tension,,,, just like anything else that is

" imposed " on us when not welcome.

As far as reading up on it,,,,,,,,,I have. And I've found incredible books that

say it's the most wonderful, calming, bonding, soothing and natural thing out

there. I've also read that it will " ruin " a marriage as well as the child.

Personally, my kids all sleep in their own beds - most of the time, too. They

have friends and are involved in different activities, sleep over at friends and

are actually quite outgoing. If anything, I think this simple " bonding time "

adds to their self-confidence. There are also nights, though, when we tell

them,,,, " hey,,,,,,why don't you stay in yours tonight and you can come in

tomorrow " . They're ok with that.

Also,,,,,our marriage is fine. We have many kids - we just don't do it in the

bed - at night. Hee hee.

I guess, in a nutshell,,,,,it made me sad when you wrote that you heard that " NO

MATTER WHAT, not to let a child sleep with the parent " . Your child is

YOURS,,,,,,,,,,You have the right to comfort your child any darned way you

choose. This to me, is like saying it's gonna mess them up. We're not talking

about un-monitored tv, un-monitored computer, non-stop violent video games,

drugs, alcohol, bullying, not paying attention to your children, not eating

together at the supper table, not teaching them self-confidence, not teaching

them self-respect or spending time with them.

It's simply letting your kid get in your bed cause they want to be with you.

Once they're there, if it's a highly strung kid or very " tense " kid,,,,,they may

calm down and feel safe. That's a good thing. It's too bad that it's looked at

as such a " dirty " or " selfish " thing to do that's going only going to hurt the

child. I also think that more people do it and don't admit it, because of the

stigma.

Oh well. Didn't mean to make this a sermon. I know we don't all agree and

certainly, what works for 1 isn't going to work for all. I just wanted to

clarify that we weren't freaks. We are normal parents who have chosen to allow

our kids in our bed if they choose.

Robin

Essenfeld <lessen@...> wrote:

Personally I would never let a child sleep in my bed. That is an intimate place

for my husband and I and I don't feel it would be appropriate for my child or

fair to myself and my husband to allow that. My son has always been told to stay

in bed and if he can't sleep, he can read. If he wants to tantrum, fine, just do

it in your room. It may take a lot of saying no but it's worth it, once they

know your serious. If you allow it sometimes, it will be much harder to get them

to not sleep in your bed. I'm not an expert, but I've heard that it's best for

the child NO MATTER WHAT to not sleep with their parents. You may want to read

up about it. It can cause major problems later in life about comfort, sleeping

with others, etc. I can't remember all of what I read about it (that was 9 years

ago), but I remember thinking that no matter what, I would not do that FOR THE

CHILD's SAKE.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: As far as the sleeping issue,,,,,,,if you

happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects except

you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a large

couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps with

you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned this

early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have to

find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in it,

he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to sleep

in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval pretty

soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my son's

neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine 3pills at

bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't think they are

helping because he gets up at least once in the night and then he wants to sleep

all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping problems and behavior problems

but it seems to make it worse because he wants to sleep all day and then at

night he's so hyper he is like a wild person , he rus around the house and gets

into every thing.Is anyone going through this?? Also I would like to ask the

group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food like

Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat Grilled

cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and sand} I

keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write back and let

me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi Van Oss

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Robin,

that crib thing against the bed that you did. *they actually make cribs just

for that* When I was nursing, I saw in a magazine, a crib that attaches to the

bed. I didn't get one because I already had two cribs, and had to buy another

two for the sitter's home.

but they are really cool looking. and made just for that purpose, to attach

to the bed..

very convenient too.

Maybe for your next baby???

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote:

We do have some things in common, don't we?

I loved the bassinet's too. We also removed 1 side of the 1 crib we ever had and

pushed our bed up against IT, which was against the wall. This was awesome too.

It was when we still were feeling " guilty " for wanting him in our bed......so we

thought as long as he was in the crib, it wasn't " sleeping together " . I wound up

with my top `1/2 in the crib one night when Ian was moving a lot. Nice picture.

haa ha.

I missed out on the sling too but would have loved it. I saw someone using it

today, actually, and it really looks like the way a baby SHOULD be held/carried.

So snug and close.

When topics like this come up, I often wonder if we wouldn't be as close as we

are if we hadn't made the " bed " and " attachment parenting " choices we made. I'm

really glad we did it this way (and continue to).

Where do you hail from?

Robin

Jenn <wyledbunch@...> wrote:

My kids get in bed with my husband and I sometimes too. Sometimes it's

because they're scared (Trey slept with us just last night for this reason),

sometimes they might feel sad or even might just want to be somewhere

different. They don't do it every night and they don't get to every time

they want to. In fact there are times we ask if they want to and they don't.

Eventually they'll outgrow wanting to sleep with us so right now, I enjoy

the cuddle time while I can.

My babies were always held by me too or they were at least very near me.

When they were still small enough for the bassinett (*love* those btw) they

were never in a different room. I wanted them to feel safe and secure and

loved at all times and I sincerely believe that helps form a stronger bond.

When they got too big for that, I used a baby carrier and carried them on my

belly and then moved them to my back when they got bigger again.

(Unfortunately I completely missed out on the wrap and sling somehow) Like

you, I'm not saying everyone needs to do things " my " way (or our way as it

seems we have a lot in common lol) but this is what worked best for us.

I have let mine cry, but never for more than 20 minutes and I didn't even do

that " letting them cry " thing long. I didn't see any reason to let them cry

it out with making everyone in the house tense and feel guilty. So what if

they don't cry it out? It never " spoiled " them and they all slept just fine

as babies and toddlers and in fact all three slept through the night at a

much younger age than my friends kids who were crying it out every night.

There's a difference between whining, crying and really sobbing. Whining I

would let go and see if they'd settle on their own, if not, I was there, but

she'd let her babies downright sob and bawl. It was so heartbreaking.

Anyway, I didn't mean to ramble lol but I just wanted to let you know that I

agree with you and we seem to have another thing in common! lol

-Jenn, AEP (ADD, Bi-Polar, Anxiety/Depression)

Proud Momma of Cory Albert (14yrs ADHD), h Dawn (12yrs

Anxiety/Depression)

and Jerry Lee " Trey " (9yrs ADHD, Bi-Polar, Asperger's)

-- Re: ( ) My son has sleeping issues too

Hi.

Even though I was caught off-guard by your comment of " child or fair to

myself and my husband toit wouldn't be appropriate for my do that " ,,,,,,,,,

,

I understand where you're coming from. We just looked at it as a need.

If they would cry because they were hungry, we would feed them. If they

cried because they had a bad dream, we'd comfort them. If they hurt

themselves, we fix them up. All or our children on this site have disorders

so we get them whatever help we can.

For us,,,,,when our children want to be with us at night, we welcome it.

It is a need for affection that we don't always see during the day, whether

it's because they just don't want to, or are busy playing or because they're

at school. My son unwinds and calms down with the computer after school.

My daughters get a snack and we do homework and then watch Arthur. Another

child rides his bike. The US is one of the few countries who do not

advocate sleeping " as a family " and is one of the only countries who have

people, other than family members, tell them to " let your child cry it out " .

You're right, they do stop crying and " learn " after a while. They give up.

No,,,,,,I'm not saying they are ruined from having to " cry it out " - of

course they aren't. What I'm saying is that cuddling and being close to

one-another is a basic need/want.

My babies were always carried and held by us - constantly. And as they

grew, it was simply our way of life to share the " family bed " . (This is also

a great book - " THE FAMILY BED " ).

But, it has to be a mutual decision. If you don't want it,,,,,,then you

shouldn't. It is only going to cause tension,,,, just like anything else

that is " imposed " on us when not welcome.

As far as reading up on it,,,,,,,,,I have. And I've found incredible

books that say it's the most wonderful, calming, bonding, soothing and

natural thing out there. I've also read that it will " ruin " a marriage as

well as the child.

Personally, my kids all sleep in their own beds - most of the time, too.

They have friends and are involved in different activities, sleep over at

friends and are actually quite outgoing. If anything, I think this simple

bonding time " adds to their self-confidence. There are also nights, though,

when we tell them,,,, " hey,,,,,,why don't you stay in yours tonight and you

can come in tomorrow " . They're ok with that.

Also,,,,,our marriage is fine. We have many kids - we just don't do it in

the bed - at night. Hee hee.

I guess, in a nutshell,,,,,it made me sad when you wrote that you heard

that " NO MATTER WHAT, not to let a child sleep with the parent " . Your child

is YOURS,,,,,,,,,,You have the right to comfort your child any darned way

you choose. This to me, is like saying it's gonna mess them up. We're not

talking about un-monitored tv, un-monitored computer, non-stop violent video

games, drugs, alcohol, bullying, not paying attention to your children, not

eating together at the supper table, not teaching them self-confidence, not

teaching them self-respect or spending time with them.

It's simply letting your kid get in your bed cause they want to be with

you. Once they're there, if it's a highly strung kid or very " tense " kid,,,

,they may calm down and feel safe. That's a good thing. It's too bad that

it's looked at as such a " dirty " or " selfish " thing to do that's going only

going to hurt the child. I also think that more people do it and don't

admit it, because of the stigma.

Oh well. Didn't mean to make this a sermon. I know we don't all agree

and certainly, what works for 1 isn't going to work for all. I just wanted

to clarify that we weren't freaks. We are normal parents who have chosen to

allow our kids in our bed if they choose.

Robin

Essenfeld <lessen@...> wrote:

Personally I would never let a child sleep in my bed. That is an

intimate place for my husband and I and I don't feel it would be appropriate

for my child or fair to myself and my husband to allow that. My son has

always been told to stay in bed and if he can't sleep, he can read. If he

wants to tantrum, fine, just do it in your room. It may take a lot of saying

no but it's worth it, once they know your serious. If you allow it sometimes

it will be much harder to get them to not sleep in your bed. I'm not an

expert, but I've heard that it's best for the child NO MATTER WHAT to not

sleep with their parents. You may want to read up about it. It can cause

major problems later in life about comfort, sleeping with others, etc. I can

t remember all of what I read about it (that was 9 years ago), but I

remember thinking that no matter what, I would not do that FOR THE CHILD's

SAKE.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: As far as the sleeping issue,,,,,,,if

you happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects

except you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a

large couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps

with you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned

this early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have

to find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in

it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to

sleep in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval

pretty soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my

son's neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine

3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't

think they are helping because he gets up at least once in the night and

then he wants to sleep all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping

problems and behavior problems but it seems to make it worse because he

wants to sleep all day and then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild

person , he rus around the house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going

through this?? Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food

like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat

Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and

sand} I keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write

back and let me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi

Van Oss

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Ohh wow! lol Trey's a pretty heavy sleeper once he's asleep and I've never

experienced an earthquake, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't sleep through one

-Jenn, AEP (ADD, Bi-Polar, Anxiety/Depression)

Proud Momma of Cory Albert (14yrs ADHD), h Dawn (12yrs

Anxiety/Depression)

and Jerry Lee " Trey " (9yrs ADHD, Bi-Polar, Asperger's)

-- Re: ( ) My son has sleeping issues too

Hi.

Even though I was caught off-guard by your comment of " child or fair to

myself and my husband toit wouldn't be appropriate for my do that " ,,,,,,,,,

,

I understand where you're coming from. We just looked at it as a need.

If they would cry because they were hungry, we would feed them. If they

cried because they had a bad dream, we'd comfort them. If they hurt

themselves, we fix them up. All or our children on this site have disorders

so we get them whatever help we can.

For us,,,,,when our children want to be with us at night, we welcome it.

It is a need for affection that we don't always see during the day, whether

it's because they just don't want to, or are busy playing or because they're

at school. My son unwinds and calms down with the computer after school.

My daughters get a snack and we do homework and then watch Arthur. Another

child rides his bike. The US is one of the few countries who do not

advocate sleeping " as a family " and is one of the only countries who have

people, other than family members, tell them to " let your child cry it out " .

You're right, they do stop crying and " learn " after a while. They give up.

No,,,,,,I'm not saying they are ruined from having to " cry it out " - of

course they aren't. What I'm saying is that cuddling and being close to

one-another is a basic need/want.

My babies were always carried and held by us - constantly. And as they

grew, it was simply our way of life to share the " family bed " . (This is also

a great book - " THE FAMILY BED " ).

But, it has to be a mutual decision. If you don't want it,,,,,,then you

shouldn't. It is only going to cause tension,,,, just like anything else

that is " imposed " on us when not welcome.

As far as reading up on it,,,,,,,,,I have. And I've found incredible

books that say it's the most wonderful, calming, bonding, soothing and

natural thing out there. I've also read that it will " ruin " a marriage as

well as the child.

Personally, my kids all sleep in their own beds - most of the time, too.

They have friends and are involved in different activities, sleep over at

friends and are actually quite outgoing. If anything, I think this simple

bonding time " adds to their self-confidence. There are also nights, though,

when we tell them,,,, " hey,,,,,,why don't you stay in yours tonight and you

can come in tomorrow " . They're ok with that.

Also,,,,,our marriage is fine. We have many kids - we just don't do it in

the bed - at night. Hee hee.

I guess, in a nutshell,,,,,it made me sad when you wrote that you heard

that " NO MATTER WHAT, not to let a child sleep with the parent " . Your child

is YOURS,,,,,,,,,,You have the right to comfort your child any darned way

you choose. This to me, is like saying it's gonna mess them up. We're not

talking about un-monitored tv, un-monitored computer, non-stop violent video

games, drugs, alcohol, bullying, not paying attention to your children, not

eating together at the supper table, not teaching them self-confidence, not

teaching them self-respect or spending time with them.

It's simply letting your kid get in your bed cause they want to be with

you. Once they're there, if it's a highly strung kid or very " tense " kid,,,

,they may calm down and feel safe. That's a good thing. It's too bad that

it's looked at as such a " dirty " or " selfish " thing to do that's going only

going to hurt the child. I also think that more people do it and don't

admit it, because of the stigma.

Oh well. Didn't mean to make this a sermon. I know we don't all agree

and certainly, what works for 1 isn't going to work for all. I just wanted

to clarify that we weren't freaks. We are normal parents who have chosen to

allow our kids in our bed if they choose.

Robin

Essenfeld <lessen@...> wrote:

Personally I would never let a child sleep in my bed. That is an

intimate place for my husband and I and I don't feel it would be appropriate

for my child or fair to myself and my husband to allow that. My son has

always been told to stay in bed and if he can't sleep, he can read. If he

wants to tantrum, fine, just do it in your room. It may take a lot of saying

no but it's worth it, once they know your serious. If you allow it sometimes

it will be much harder to get them to not sleep in your bed. I'm not an

expert, but I've heard that it's best for the child NO MATTER WHAT to not

sleep with their parents. You may want to read up about it. It can cause

major problems later in life about comfort, sleeping with others, etc. I can

t remember all of what I read about it (that was 9 years ago), but I

remember thinking that no matter what, I would not do that FOR THE CHILD's

SAKE.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: As far as the sleeping issue,,,,,,,if

you happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects

except you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a

large couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps

with you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned

this early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have

to find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in

it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to

sleep in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval

pretty soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my

son's neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine

3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't

think they are helping because he gets up at least once in the night and

then he wants to sleep all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping

problems and behavior problems but it seems to make it worse because he

wants to sleep all day and then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild

person , he rus around the house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going

through this?? Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food

like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat

Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and

sand} I keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write

back and let me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi

Van Oss

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Oh wow how neat! I didn't know they made those!

-Jenn, AEP (ADD, Bi-Polar, Anxiety/Depression)

Proud Momma of Cory Albert (14yrs ADHD), h Dawn (12yrs

Anxiety/Depression)

and Jerry Lee " Trey " (9yrs ADHD, Bi-Polar, Asperger's)

-- Re: ( ) My son has sleeping issues too

Hi.

Even though I was caught off-guard by your comment of " child or fair to

myself and my husband toit wouldn't be appropriate for my do that " ,,,,,,,,,

,

I understand where you're coming from. We just looked at it as a need.

If they would cry because they were hungry, we would feed them. If they

cried because they had a bad dream, we'd comfort them. If they hurt

themselves, we fix them up. All or our children on this site have disorders

so we get them whatever help we can.

For us,,,,,when our children want to be with us at night, we welcome it.

It is a need for affection that we don't always see during the day, whether

it's because they just don't want to, or are busy playing or because they're

at school. My son unwinds and calms down with the computer after school.

My daughters get a snack and we do homework and then watch Arthur. Another

child rides his bike. The US is one of the few countries who do not

advocate sleeping " as a family " and is one of the only countries who have

people, other than family members, tell them to " let your child cry it out " .

You're right, they do stop crying and " learn " after a while. They give up.

No,,,,,,I'm not saying they are ruined from having to " cry it out " - of

course they aren't. What I'm saying is that cuddling and being close to

one-another is a basic need/want.

My babies were always carried and held by us - constantly. And as they

grew, it was simply our way of life to share the " family bed " . (This is also

a great book - " THE FAMILY BED " ).

But, it has to be a mutual decision. If you don't want it,,,,,,then you

shouldn't. It is only going to cause tension,,,, just like anything else

that is " imposed " on us when not welcome.

As far as reading up on it,,,,,,,,,I have. And I've found incredible

books that say it's the most wonderful, calming, bonding, soothing and

natural thing out there. I've also read that it will " ruin " a marriage as

well as the child.

Personally, my kids all sleep in their own beds - most of the time, too.

They have friends and are involved in different activities, sleep over at

friends and are actually quite outgoing. If anything, I think this simple

bonding time " adds to their self-confidence. There are also nights, though,

when we tell them,,,, " hey,,,,,,why don't you stay in yours tonight and you

can come in tomorrow " . They're ok with that.

Also,,,,,our marriage is fine. We have many kids - we just don't do it in

the bed - at night. Hee hee.

I guess, in a nutshell,,,,,it made me sad when you wrote that you heard

that " NO MATTER WHAT, not to let a child sleep with the parent " . Your child

is YOURS,,,,,,,,,,You have the right to comfort your child any darned way

you choose. This to me, is like saying it's gonna mess them up. We're not

talking about un-monitored tv, un-monitored computer, non-stop violent video

games, drugs, alcohol, bullying, not paying attention to your children, not

eating together at the supper table, not teaching them self-confidence, not

teaching them self-respect or spending time with them.

It's simply letting your kid get in your bed cause they want to be with

you. Once they're there, if it's a highly strung kid or very " tense " kid,,,

,they may calm down and feel safe. That's a good thing. It's too bad that

it's looked at as such a " dirty " or " selfish " thing to do that's going only

going to hurt the child. I also think that more people do it and don't

admit it, because of the stigma.

Oh well. Didn't mean to make this a sermon. I know we don't all agree

and certainly, what works for 1 isn't going to work for all. I just wanted

to clarify that we weren't freaks. We are normal parents who have chosen to

allow our kids in our bed if they choose.

Robin

Essenfeld <lessen@...> wrote:

Personally I would never let a child sleep in my bed. That is an

intimate place for my husband and I and I don't feel it would be appropriate

for my child or fair to myself and my husband to allow that. My son has

always been told to stay in bed and if he can't sleep, he can read. If he

wants to tantrum, fine, just do it in your room. It may take a lot of saying

no but it's worth it, once they know your serious. If you allow it sometimes

it will be much harder to get them to not sleep in your bed. I'm not an

expert, but I've heard that it's best for the child NO MATTER WHAT to not

sleep with their parents. You may want to read up about it. It can cause

major problems later in life about comfort, sleeping with others, etc. I can

t remember all of what I read about it (that was 9 years ago), but I

remember thinking that no matter what, I would not do that FOR THE CHILD's

SAKE.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: As far as the sleeping issue,,,,,,,if

you happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects

except you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a

large couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps

with you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned

this early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have

to find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in

it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to

sleep in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval

pretty soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my

son's neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine

3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't

think they are helping because he gets up at least once in the night and

then he wants to sleep all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping

problems and behavior problems but it seems to make it worse because he

wants to sleep all day and then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild

person , he rus around the house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going

through this?? Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food

like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat

Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and

sand} I keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write

back and let me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi

Van Oss

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When I was cooking, the heat from the oven set off the smoke alarm. My daughter

slept right through it. we then got the smoke alarm that talks, sound alarm,

and again talk. but, she will sleep right through that as well. I don't think

an earthquake will wake her either.

Jenn <wyledbunch@...> wrote: Ohh wow! lol Trey's a pretty heavy

sleeper once he's asleep and I've never

experienced an earthquake, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't sleep through one

-Jenn, AEP (ADD, Bi-Polar, Anxiety/Depression)

Proud Momma of Cory Albert (14yrs ADHD), h Dawn (12yrs

Anxiety/Depression)

and Jerry Lee " Trey " (9yrs ADHD, Bi-Polar, Asperger's)

-- Re: ( ) My son has sleeping issues too

Hi.

Even though I was caught off-guard by your comment of " child or fair to

myself and my husband toit wouldn't be appropriate for my do that " ,,,,,,,,,

,

I understand where you're coming from. We just looked at it as a need.

If they would cry because they were hungry, we would feed them. If they

cried because they had a bad dream, we'd comfort them. If they hurt

themselves, we fix them up. All or our children on this site have disorders

so we get them whatever help we can.

For us,,,,,when our children want to be with us at night, we welcome it.

It is a need for affection that we don't always see during the day, whether

it's because they just don't want to, or are busy playing or because they're

at school. My son unwinds and calms down with the computer after school.

My daughters get a snack and we do homework and then watch Arthur. Another

child rides his bike. The US is one of the few countries who do not

advocate sleeping " as a family " and is one of the only countries who have

people, other than family members, tell them to " let your child cry it out " .

You're right, they do stop crying and " learn " after a while. They give up.

No,,,,,,I'm not saying they are ruined from having to " cry it out " - of

course they aren't. What I'm saying is that cuddling and being close to

one-another is a basic need/want.

My babies were always carried and held by us - constantly. And as they

grew, it was simply our way of life to share the " family bed " . (This is also

a great book - " THE FAMILY BED " ).

But, it has to be a mutual decision. If you don't want it,,,,,,then you

shouldn't. It is only going to cause tension,,,, just like anything else

that is " imposed " on us when not welcome.

As far as reading up on it,,,,,,,,,I have. And I've found incredible

books that say it's the most wonderful, calming, bonding, soothing and

natural thing out there. I've also read that it will " ruin " a marriage as

well as the child.

Personally, my kids all sleep in their own beds - most of the time, too.

They have friends and are involved in different activities, sleep over at

friends and are actually quite outgoing. If anything, I think this simple

bonding time " adds to their self-confidence. There are also nights, though,

when we tell them,,,, " hey,,,,,,why don't you stay in yours tonight and you

can come in tomorrow " . They're ok with that.

Also,,,,,our marriage is fine. We have many kids - we just don't do it in

the bed - at night. Hee hee.

I guess, in a nutshell,,,,,it made me sad when you wrote that you heard

that " NO MATTER WHAT, not to let a child sleep with the parent " . Your child

is YOURS,,,,,,,,,,You have the right to comfort your child any darned way

you choose. This to me, is like saying it's gonna mess them up. We're not

talking about un-monitored tv, un-monitored computer, non-stop violent video

games, drugs, alcohol, bullying, not paying attention to your children, not

eating together at the supper table, not teaching them self-confidence, not

teaching them self-respect or spending time with them.

It's simply letting your kid get in your bed cause they want to be with

you. Once they're there, if it's a highly strung kid or very " tense " kid,,,

,they may calm down and feel safe. That's a good thing. It's too bad that

it's looked at as such a " dirty " or " selfish " thing to do that's going only

going to hurt the child. I also think that more people do it and don't

admit it, because of the stigma.

Oh well. Didn't mean to make this a sermon. I know we don't all agree

and certainly, what works for 1 isn't going to work for all. I just wanted

to clarify that we weren't freaks. We are normal parents who have chosen to

allow our kids in our bed if they choose.

Robin

Essenfeld <lessen@...> wrote:

Personally I would never let a child sleep in my bed. That is an

intimate place for my husband and I and I don't feel it would be appropriate

for my child or fair to myself and my husband to allow that. My son has

always been told to stay in bed and if he can't sleep, he can read. If he

wants to tantrum, fine, just do it in your room. It may take a lot of saying

no but it's worth it, once they know your serious. If you allow it sometimes

it will be much harder to get them to not sleep in your bed. I'm not an

expert, but I've heard that it's best for the child NO MATTER WHAT to not

sleep with their parents. You may want to read up about it. It can cause

major problems later in life about comfort, sleeping with others, etc. I can

t remember all of what I read about it (that was 9 years ago), but I

remember thinking that no matter what, I would not do that FOR THE CHILD's

SAKE.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: As far as the sleeping issue,,,,,,,if

you happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects

except you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a

large couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps

with you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned

this early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have

to find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in

it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to

sleep in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval

pretty soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my

son's neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine

3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't

think they are helping because he gets up at least once in the night and

then he wants to sleep all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping

problems and behavior problems but it seems to make it worse because he

wants to sleep all day and then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild

person , he rus around the house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going

through this?? Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food

like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat

Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and

sand} I keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write

back and let me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi

Van Oss

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Jenn,

if you patterned (spelling) that, you would be making good money now. you

probably were the first to invent it.

Jenn <wyledbunch@...> wrote:

Oh wow how neat! I didn't know they made those!

-Jenn, AEP (ADD, Bi-Polar, Anxiety/Depression)

Proud Momma of Cory Albert (14yrs ADHD), h Dawn (12yrs

Anxiety/Depression)

and Jerry Lee " Trey " (9yrs ADHD, Bi-Polar, Asperger's)

-- Re: ( ) My son has sleeping issues too

Hi.

Even though I was caught off-guard by your comment of " child or fair to

myself and my husband toit wouldn't be appropriate for my do that " ,,,,,,,,,

,

I understand where you're coming from. We just looked at it as a need.

If they would cry because they were hungry, we would feed them. If they

cried because they had a bad dream, we'd comfort them. If they hurt

themselves, we fix them up. All or our children on this site have disorders

so we get them whatever help we can.

For us,,,,,when our children want to be with us at night, we welcome it.

It is a need for affection that we don't always see during the day, whether

it's because they just don't want to, or are busy playing or because they're

at school. My son unwinds and calms down with the computer after school.

My daughters get a snack and we do homework and then watch Arthur. Another

child rides his bike. The US is one of the few countries who do not

advocate sleeping " as a family " and is one of the only countries who have

people, other than family members, tell them to " let your child cry it out " .

You're right, they do stop crying and " learn " after a while. They give up.

No,,,,,,I'm not saying they are ruined from having to " cry it out " - of

course they aren't. What I'm saying is that cuddling and being close to

one-another is a basic need/want.

My babies were always carried and held by us - constantly. And as they

grew, it was simply our way of life to share the " family bed " . (This is also

a great book - " THE FAMILY BED " ).

But, it has to be a mutual decision. If you don't want it,,,,,,then you

shouldn't. It is only going to cause tension,,,, just like anything else

that is " imposed " on us when not welcome.

As far as reading up on it,,,,,,,,,I have. And I've found incredible

books that say it's the most wonderful, calming, bonding, soothing and

natural thing out there. I've also read that it will " ruin " a marriage as

well as the child.

Personally, my kids all sleep in their own beds - most of the time, too.

They have friends and are involved in different activities, sleep over at

friends and are actually quite outgoing. If anything, I think this simple

bonding time " adds to their self-confidence. There are also nights, though,

when we tell them,,,, " hey,,,,,,why don't you stay in yours tonight and you

can come in tomorrow " . They're ok with that.

Also,,,,,our marriage is fine. We have many kids - we just don't do it in

the bed - at night. Hee hee.

I guess, in a nutshell,,,,,it made me sad when you wrote that you heard

that " NO MATTER WHAT, not to let a child sleep with the parent " . Your child

is YOURS,,,,,,,,,,You have the right to comfort your child any darned way

you choose. This to me, is like saying it's gonna mess them up. We're not

talking about un-monitored tv, un-monitored computer, non-stop violent video

games, drugs, alcohol, bullying, not paying attention to your children, not

eating together at the supper table, not teaching them self-confidence, not

teaching them self-respect or spending time with them.

It's simply letting your kid get in your bed cause they want to be with

you. Once they're there, if it's a highly strung kid or very " tense " kid,,,

,they may calm down and feel safe. That's a good thing. It's too bad that

it's looked at as such a " dirty " or " selfish " thing to do that's going only

going to hurt the child. I also think that more people do it and don't

admit it, because of the stigma.

Oh well. Didn't mean to make this a sermon. I know we don't all agree

and certainly, what works for 1 isn't going to work for all. I just wanted

to clarify that we weren't freaks. We are normal parents who have chosen to

allow our kids in our bed if they choose.

Robin

Essenfeld <lessen@...> wrote:

Personally I would never let a child sleep in my bed. That is an

intimate place for my husband and I and I don't feel it would be appropriate

for my child or fair to myself and my husband to allow that. My son has

always been told to stay in bed and if he can't sleep, he can read. If he

wants to tantrum, fine, just do it in your room. It may take a lot of saying

no but it's worth it, once they know your serious. If you allow it sometimes

it will be much harder to get them to not sleep in your bed. I'm not an

expert, but I've heard that it's best for the child NO MATTER WHAT to not

sleep with their parents. You may want to read up about it. It can cause

major problems later in life about comfort, sleeping with others, etc. I can

t remember all of what I read about it (that was 9 years ago), but I

remember thinking that no matter what, I would not do that FOR THE CHILD's

SAKE.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: As far as the sleeping issue,,,,,,,if

you happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects

except you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a

large couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps

with you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned

this early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have

to find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in

it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to

sleep in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval

pretty soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my

son's neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine

3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't

think they are helping because he gets up at least once in the night and

then he wants to sleep all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping

problems and behavior problems but it seems to make it worse because he

wants to sleep all day and then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild

person , he rus around the house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going

through this?? Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food

like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat

Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and

sand} I keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write

back and let me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi

Van Oss

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lol I slept through my smoke alarm not long ago too. In fact my oldest son

was the only one of the four of us (my husband was at work) who heard it.

Kinda scary. I guess I need to look into it and see if they make louder ones

lol

-Jenn, AEP (ADD, Bi-Polar, Anxiety/Depression)

Proud Momma of Cory Albert (14yrs ADHD), h Dawn (12yrs

Anxiety/Depression)

and Jerry Lee " Trey " (9yrs ADHD, Bi-Polar, Asperger's)

-- Re: ( ) My son has sleeping issues too

Hi.

Even though I was caught off-guard by your comment of " child or fair to

myself and my husband toit wouldn't be appropriate for my do that " ,,,,,,,,,

,

I understand where you're coming from. We just looked at it as a need.

If they would cry because they were hungry, we would feed them. If they

cried because they had a bad dream, we'd comfort them. If they hurt

themselves, we fix them up. All or our children on this site have disorders

so we get them whatever help we can.

For us,,,,,when our children want to be with us at night, we welcome it.

It is a need for affection that we don't always see during the day, whether

it's because they just don't want to, or are busy playing or because they're

at school. My son unwinds and calms down with the computer after school.

My daughters get a snack and we do homework and then watch Arthur. Another

child rides his bike. The US is one of the few countries who do not

advocate sleeping " as a family " and is one of the only countries who have

people, other than family members, tell them to " let your child cry it out " .

You're right, they do stop crying and " learn " after a while. They give up.

No,,,,,,I'm not saying they are ruined from having to " cry it out " - of

course they aren't. What I'm saying is that cuddling and being close to

one-another is a basic need/want.

My babies were always carried and held by us - constantly. And as they

grew, it was simply our way of life to share the " family bed " . (This is also

a great book - " THE FAMILY BED " ).

But, it has to be a mutual decision. If you don't want it,,,,,,then you

shouldn't. It is only going to cause tension,,,, just like anything else

that is " imposed " on us when not welcome.

As far as reading up on it,,,,,,,,,I have. And I've found incredible

books that say it's the most wonderful, calming, bonding, soothing and

natural thing out there. I've also read that it will " ruin " a marriage as

well as the child.

Personally, my kids all sleep in their own beds - most of the time, too.

They have friends and are involved in different activities, sleep over at

friends and are actually quite outgoing. If anything, I think this simple

bonding time " adds to their self-confidence. There are also nights, though,

when we tell them,,,, " hey,,,,,,why don't you stay in yours tonight and you

can come in tomorrow " . They're ok with that.

Also,,,,,our marriage is fine. We have many kids - we just don't do it in

the bed - at night. Hee hee.

I guess, in a nutshell,,,,,it made me sad when you wrote that you heard

that " NO MATTER WHAT, not to let a child sleep with the parent " . Your child

is YOURS,,,,,,,,,,You have the right to comfort your child any darned way

you choose. This to me, is like saying it's gonna mess them up. We're not

talking about un-monitored tv, un-monitored computer, non-stop violent video

games, drugs, alcohol, bullying, not paying attention to your children, not

eating together at the supper table, not teaching them self-confidence, not

teaching them self-respect or spending time with them.

It's simply letting your kid get in your bed cause they want to be with

you. Once they're there, if it's a highly strung kid or very " tense " kid,,,

,they may calm down and feel safe. That's a good thing. It's too bad that

it's looked at as such a " dirty " or " selfish " thing to do that's going only

going to hurt the child. I also think that more people do it and don't

admit it, because of the stigma.

Oh well. Didn't mean to make this a sermon. I know we don't all agree

and certainly, what works for 1 isn't going to work for all. I just wanted

to clarify that we weren't freaks. We are normal parents who have chosen to

allow our kids in our bed if they choose.

Robin

Essenfeld <lessen@...> wrote:

Personally I would never let a child sleep in my bed. That is an

intimate place for my husband and I and I don't feel it would be appropriate

for my child or fair to myself and my husband to allow that. My son has

always been told to stay in bed and if he can't sleep, he can read. If he

wants to tantrum, fine, just do it in your room. It may take a lot of saying

no but it's worth it, once they know your serious. If you allow it sometimes

it will be much harder to get them to not sleep in your bed. I'm not an

expert, but I've heard that it's best for the child NO MATTER WHAT to not

sleep with their parents. You may want to read up about it. It can cause

major problems later in life about comfort, sleeping with others, etc. I can

t remember all of what I read about it (that was 9 years ago), but I

remember thinking that no matter what, I would not do that FOR THE CHILD's

SAKE.

Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: As far as the sleeping issue,,,,,,,if

you happily let him in your bed,,,,,,,what is his night like?

What if he sleeps calmly and it changes how his day is?

It's a cheap thing to try.......hee hee. And will have no side effects

except you guys may not be too used to it.

We did it for all of our kids and my husband had the hard time sleeping with

them because they slept spread eagle............we eventually had to buy a

large couch to accomodate him. This has been a joke for years.

Anyway,,,,,,it was a simple thing that helped them tremendously.

Let me know if you try it and it works.

Also,,,,,,,,,,,,by telling a medical professional that your child sleeps

with you for comfort is not the thing to do if you want approval. We learned

this early on.

Most want you to let " them learn " . We just couldn't do that - but you have

to find what works for your family.

Good luck.

Robin

Heidi Van Oss <vanossheidi38@...> wrote:

Hello, my son is almost three and he won't sleep in his bed and it's

really frustrating because he has a full size bunk-bed and he won't sleep in

it, he has to sleep with Me and my husband and if we tell him that he has to

sleep in his own bed , he has a tantrum . he is supposed to have his OT eval

pretty soon so I am going to let them know about it and every time I tell my

son's neurologist, he just keeps increasing his meds, my son is on Clonidine

3pills at bedtime,and Prozac 25 mg at night and 25mg in the morning,I don't

think they are helping because he gets up at least once in the night and

then he wants to sleep all day, he put him on those meds for sleeping

problems and behavior problems but it seems to make it worse because he

wants to sleep all day and then at night he's so hyper he is like a wild

person , he rus around the house and gets into every thing.Is anyone going

through this?? Also I would like to ask the group if anyone is going through

eating

issues, My son will hardly eat. he still eating some 3rd stage baby food

like Cereal and Spagetti and Lasagna and some fruit sometimes he will eat

Grilled cheese sandwiches but his favorite thing is Peanut butter,{toast and

sand} I keep trying other things But I don't know what to do. Please write

back and let me know if you know of anything I can do , Thank You!!! Heidi

Van Oss

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