Math

[Guest guest]

Thanks Pam. What questions should i ask his teacher? What should i be looking

for when looking at the curriculum? We have a follow up to his IEP in a week so

i would like to go into the meeting and ask about what to do about getting him

to understand math better. thanks,

ppanda65@... wrote: , you may want to

ask questions about he curriculum being used. There

is research to backup that Everyday Math is not the best curriculum for

children on the autism spectrum because it is spiraling. My son struggles in

Math

and I had to have them modify the curriculum and provide him with time with the

resource teacher to spend on the concepts he is not mastering. Pam

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Hi Pam

That is interesting. My son already has an aide that comes into his classroom

1/2 hr a day but i think that he needs more than that. Maybe they can have him

with the resource person and have his aide. I was also thinking of hiring a in

home tutor for him. Thanks again Pam.

ppanda65@... wrote: , I began

collecting data at the beginning of last year. His report

cards, math papers that were coming home with very low scores, NECAP (state

testing) scores. Went in showed them all my data and talked briefly about

Everyday Math maybe not being the best way to teach my son Math. Then they did

some

educational testing in Math and low and behold the test scores showed deficits

in several of the Math subtest areas. They only gave him 1/2 hour of

resource in Math a week this year...but at the IEP I just attended a few weeks

ago,

they had Math goals written in (which they have never done before) and also had

him in resource for Math everyday next year. Interesting. Pam

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a ruler helped. Its a visual, you can add the number and subtract on it.

monica <buddy_monica@...> wrote: Does anyone else have a

child that is having difficulty in Math? My DS

with Asperger's is having a hard time still with his basic math

facts,meaning adding and subtracting. They are now moving into

multiplication and fractions and his teacher is worried that he is

falling too far behind. Any tips on how to get him to learn the basic

facts? Thanks,=)

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gets the concepts beautifully. Memorizing the facts is beyond

her. Her teacher is teaching her multiplication using methods that

allow her to build upon her knowledge of the concepts of addition.

3x2= 3 rows of 2 = 3+3.

5x3= 5 rows of 3 = 3+3+3+3+3 = 3x5= 3 rows of 5= 5+5+5.

That way she's following the standard curriculum more closely while at

the same time doing drills regularly to try to get those facts into her

head....with the understanding that the " facts " may never be there.

Meira

>

> Does anyone else have a child that is having difficulty in Math? My DS

> with Asperger's is having a hard time still with his basic math

> facts,meaning adding and subtracting. They are now moving into

> multiplication and fractions and his teacher is worried that he is

> falling too far behind. Any tips on how to get him to learn the basic

> facts? Thanks,=)

>

[Guest guest]

I just got some flash cards from his teacher with this note: " Please help Noah

memorize these fats.I know he can solve them but i would like it if he didn't

have to use his fingers constantly " What would your response to that be? I don't

see any reason why he can't use his fingers...i still use mine sometimes..lol.

If he is solving the problem and getting the answer right,why does it matter?

Any thoughts? Thanks,

meiraharvey <meira-harvey@...> wrote:

gets the concepts beautifully. Memorizing the facts is beyond

her. Her teacher is teaching her multiplication using methods that

allow her to build upon her knowledge of the concepts of addition.

3x2= 3 rows of 2 = 3+3.

5x3= 5 rows of 3 = 3+3+3+3+3 = 3x5= 3 rows of 5= 5+5+5.

That way she's following the standard curriculum more closely while at

the same time doing drills regularly to try to get those facts into her

head....with the understanding that the " facts " may never be there.

Meira

>

> Does anyone else have a child that is having difficulty in Math? My DS

> with Asperger's is having a hard time still with his basic math

> facts,meaning adding and subtracting. They are now moving into

> multiplication and fractions and his teacher is worried that he is

> falling too far behind. Any tips on how to get him to learn the basic

> facts? Thanks,=)

>

[Guest guest]

That's how Montessori teaches multiplication. We use beads with 3

beads on them to teach 5 x 3. The child would get out 5 " 3 " beads and

line them up. Then they'd count how many there were all together.

Eventually, the children move on to materials that are designed for

memorization of multiplication facts.

Liz

On Apr 8, 2007, at 5:31 PM, meiraharvey wrote:

> gets the concepts beautifully. Memorizing the facts is beyond

> her. Her teacher is teaching her multiplication using methods that

> allow her to build upon her knowledge of the concepts of addition.

>

> 3x2= 3 rows of 2 = 3+3.

> 5x3= 5 rows of 3 = 3+3+3+3+3 = 3x5= 3 rows of 5= 5+5+5.

>

> That way she's following the standard curriculum more closely while at

> the same time doing drills regularly to try to get those facts into

> her

> head....with the understanding that the " facts " may never be there.

>

> Meira

>

>

> >

> > Does anyone else have a child that is having difficulty in Math?

> My DS

> > with Asperger's is having a hard time still with his basic math

> > facts,meaning adding and subtracting. They are now moving into

> > multiplication and fractions and his teacher is worried that he is

> > falling too far behind. Any tips on how to get him to learn the

> basic

> > facts? Thanks,=)

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

It will slow him down in all his future math classes if he can't do

basic addition and subtraction. He won't know if he's getting correct

change at Mc's. Work with him on the flash cards. Liz

On Apr 8, 2007, at 5:48 PM, wrote:

> I just got some flash cards from his teacher with this note: " Please

> help Noah memorize these fats.I know he can solve them but i would

> like it if he didn't have to use his fingers constantly " What would

> your response to that be? I don't see any reason why he can't use

> his fingers...i still use mine sometimes..lol. If he is solving the

> problem and getting the answer right,why does it matter? Any

> thoughts? Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Put it in his IEP that he can use his fingers, with an objective that

they will try to teach him the facts.

Meira

> >

> > Does anyone else have a child that is having difficulty in Math?

My DS

> > with Asperger's is having a hard time still with his basic math

> > facts,meaning adding and subtracting. They are now moving into

> > multiplication and fractions and his teacher is worried that he

is

> > falling too far behind. Any tips on how to get him to learn the

basic

> > facts? Thanks,=)

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Meira..that's a good idea!

meiraharvey <meira-harvey@...> wrote:

Put it in his IEP that he can use his fingers, with an objective that

they will try to teach him the facts.

Meira

> >

> > Does anyone else have a child that is having difficulty in Math?

My DS

> > with Asperger's is having a hard time still with his basic math

> > facts,meaning adding and subtracting. They are now moving into

> > multiplication and fractions and his teacher is worried that he

is

> > falling too far behind. Any tips on how to get him to learn the

basic

> > facts? Thanks,=)

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Before I homeschooled my daughter, she was taught Touchpoint math and

it was a blessing. It's VERY expensive to order as a homeschooler, I

had to have a teacher show me how (and I need a refreshed now, it's

been a while...) but Lily took to it like a fish in water and she has

a terrible time with ANY type of math....but touchpoint math has

helped her add and multiply. We're trying to figure out how to use

it for division (I home school now and the nice teacher that worked

with me is gone, moved)....but ask about that and try to get it into

IEP to try it.

It's a thought!

> > >

> > > Does anyone else have a child that is having difficulty in

Math?

> My DS

> > > with Asperger's is having a hard time still with his basic

math

> > > facts,meaning adding and subtracting. They are now moving into

> > > multiplication and fractions and his teacher is worried that

he

> is

> > > falling too far behind. Any tips on how to get him to learn

the

> basic

> > > facts? Thanks,=)

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I would work on the cards she sent to help him learn without having to use his

fingers. If he can learn that, he's ahead of the game. If he has to stop and

use his fingers, he will take longer. This may not matter now but might be a

big problem later with higher math. I think math is similar to reading in that

we want kids to see the words and immediately know that word. This makes them

better readers and overall improves ability to learn. It is the same for math,

a language also. The more proficient you are in that language, the better you

will be able to do.

Roxanna

Re: ( ) Re: Math

I just got some flash cards from his teacher with this note: " Please help Noah

memorize these fats.I know he can solve them but i would like it if he didn't

have to use his fingers constantly " What would your response to that be? I don't

see any reason why he can't use his fingers...i still use mine sometimes..lol.

If he is solving the problem and getting the answer right,why does it matter?

Any thoughts? Thanks,

meiraharvey <meira-harvey@...> wrote: gets the concepts

beautifully. Memorizing the facts is beyond

her. Her teacher is teaching her multiplication using methods that

allow her to build upon her knowledge of the concepts of addition.

3x2= 3 rows of 2 = 3+3.

5x3= 5 rows of 3 = 3+3+3+3+3 = 3x5= 3 rows of 5= 5+5+5.

That way she's following the standard curriculum more closely while at

the same time doing drills regularly to try to get those facts into her

head....with the understanding that the " facts " may never be there.

Meira

>

> Does anyone else have a child that is having difficulty in Math? My DS

> with Asperger's is having a hard time still with his basic math

> facts,meaning adding and subtracting. They are now moving into

> multiplication and fractions and his teacher is worried that he is

> falling too far behind. Any tips on how to get him to learn the basic

> facts? Thanks,=)

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty,

What level of math is Hunter currently working in? Number recognition, rote counting, skip counting, addition, subtraction, weight, volume?

Hard to make suggestions without knowing where you are at.

I can recommend buying 'Teaching Math to People with DS and other hands-on's learners" cause it covers a LOT of skills and is a great reference book.

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I'm wondering what kind of math curriculum you all use for teaching math. I want work with Hunter at home but have no idea what method would be best.

Thanks,

Patty

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Also, you may want to look into How To Teach Your Baby Math program and book by Glenn Doman. The website is www.gentlerevolutionpress.com . We started doing this program with my brother (27mths) for probably the last year or so.

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One other program that you may look into is called Math-U-See. From what I understand it was created by a father of a boy with DS. We have friends who use this with their regular kids and they really like it.

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Thanks Qadoshyah I will look into it.

Re: Math

One other program that you may look into is called Math-U-See. From what I understand it was created by a father of a boy with DS. We have friends who use this with their regular kids and they really like it.

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I've got this book from the library right now. It seems simple enough except for the number of times they want you to do the flashcards.

Re: Math

Also, you may want to look into How To Teach Your Baby Math program and book by Glenn Doman. The website is www.gentlerevolutionpress.com . We started doing this program with my brother (27mths) for probably the last year or so.

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Carol,

We're at the beginning. I am thinking of getting the book. Do you think it is enough for me to use as a curriculum or is it just something to supplement? Do you have the book.

Another thing I worry about is if Hunter will catch up to where he should be. That is actually my biggest worry.

Patty

Math

I'm wondering what kind of math curriculum you all use for teaching math. I want work with Hunter at home but have no idea what method would be best.

Thanks,

Patty

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I may have missed this post but has anyone tried touchmath? I haven't had a chance to get it yet but I have downloaded some of their sample worksheets to try.

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The book tells you the best ways to approach learning and things to use. So yes.... I think that it does outline a basic 'curriculum' to follow. I have used it as my 'base' of operations. If you are just beginning, there are lots of things to help him learn!! Videos with out a doubt were the number one helpers for recognition and counting. All the children's shows have counting- Barney, Sesame St. Blue- and there are number counting videos too.

http://www.babybumblebee.com/store/main_store.cfm These are really fantastic! Only shortcomings is no sign language. I used a lot of these videos...

How old is Hunter again?? Are you worried about catching up because he is already behind? What does he like to do? Does he like to play games? Help around the house, play with cars and trucks, bugs?? Summer is just around the corner and it's the perfect time to learn counting and numbers. SO many things to count!! Seeds and plants going into the garden, ants attacking your picnic, fish in ponds, turtles and frogs on the logs, rocks, cars and trucks going past, toys cars being parked while playing, pitches at the baseball games, baseball players... you get the picture. :-) Math is all around us and the more relevant and real you make it, the faster he is going to pick it up. Sitting and doing worksheets at this stage of the game is not going to get you very far. Get a number line and a calender with pieces up on your wall for him to mess around with. I LOVE the number line idea in that Montessori book!! Do

yours from 1-5 to start and once he has that down, move on to 1-10. There are games in the file section for counting, I know I wrote down some very easy math games in there. Instead of counting poker chips, maybe he would rather count plastic frogs in some kind of water outside.

Math is tough for people with DS because it's an abstract type of thinking ( or so I am told) so making it as concrete as possible is the way to go-according to all the books. So far it has been working for . The other suggestion is to teach calculators skills ASAP- it's not cheating and they will learn math facts simply by the repetition of using the calculator. Think of it as a learning tool. I have some great math music in my AIM files too. Counting, direction, addition etc.

As has gotten older and can do some of the worksheets, I have three of four different math curriculum in my AIM files so that I can have her do the same easy problems over and over and over and over with out her feeling like she is doing the same thing over and over. THAT drives her nuts....

Did you print up and make that frog counting tracer book for him? Just do 1-5 and hand it to him. Carry it with you and when you get a moment here and there, count those frogs and have him trace the numbers. That is really all there is to it. There is no magic curriculum, it's all dependent on how much repetition you can build into the day.

I do have the book , though her SPED teacher has the moment. I have homeschooled for a number of year too and have the kdger/1st grade math in my head by now.... are you hsing? Is he your first? One thing a good curriculum will do for you is lay out all that is needed for early math- measurement, direction type words, time, fractions, grouping and sets, math vocabulary you should be using through out the day, more than, less than, equal, sets...... etc....all thing that are very easy to do as you go trough your day.

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I'm wondering what kind of math curriculum you all use for teaching math. I want work with Hunter at home but have no idea what method would be best.

Thanks,

Patty

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Video and Computers are wonderful for such repition and they count too. :-) >pardon the pun

Don't forget about all the toys out there that teach counting!!! Geesh... the choices are endless. They too will count over and over plus flash the numbers.

Check into Montessori books, LOTS of hands on with those as well.

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Also, you may want to look into How To Teach Your Baby Math program and book by Glenn Doman. The website is www.gentlerevolutio npress.com . We started doing this program with my brother (27mths) for probably the last year or so.

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You don't have to follow their program like they say. Just adjust it to your schedule. We don't follow the program like they suggest, we just do it once a day (sometimes twice a day).

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Re: Math

Also, you may want to look into How To Teach Your Baby Math program and book by Glenn Doman. The website is www.gentlerevolutionpress.com . We started doing this program with my brother (27mths) for probably the last year or so.

QadoshyahGot Down Syndrome?www.gotdownsyndrome.netBlog: http://gotdownsyndrome.blogspot.com

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Faith uses Touchmath at school. It worked well for adding but subtracting

requires counting backwards and she hasn't managed that yet. It was very

confusing at first for her to learn the touch points on the numbers above 5, but

she has learned them. Math is so hard for her. She had a lot of facts memorized

but the more they try to teach her the less proficient she is!

ette

mom to Faith (9)DS

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> From: Csvillars@...

> Date: 2007/05/07 Mon PM 02:28:08 EDT

> Down Syndrome Treatment

> Subject: Re: Math

>

> I may have missed this post but has anyone tried touchmath? I haven't had a

> chance to get it yet but I have downloaded some of their sample worksheets

> to try.

>

> _Welcome to TouchMath, Multisensory Teaching, Learning Math Tools Make Math

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> Carol

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/ did great up to the number 5, but at 6 when there were dots inside of circles he had a hard time...his tutor at the time adapted it and put the dots beside the numbers, beside the other dots, instead of inside themselves and he breezed through beautifully!

Don't know how to illustrate how she did it, but he still used touch math years later to add up numbers!

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Re: Math

I may have missed this post but has anyone tried touchmath? I haven't had a chance to get it yet but I have downloaded some of their sample worksheets to try.

Welcome to TouchMath, Multisensory Teaching, Learning Math Tools Make Math Fun!

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Hi Carol, Sorry it took me so long to reply. It was Special Olympics week here and Hunter participated. I will try to attach a couple of pics to this email.

Hunter is 9 and yes I am worried about him catching up because I do feel like he is behind. He loves to play games and he really loves cars and trucks. He loves to learn as long as it's fun. I he thinks it's learning he won't do it thanks to his first teacher who forced him to sit at a desk and do absolutely boring tasks which were things he already knew but she wouldn't listen to me. No he hates anything to do with "learning" or school work.

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Patty,

Don't worry! We all get busy and that's as it should be. :-)

9 is not really all that old !! And boys are tradionaly slower to develop such book learning then the girls who tend to like that kind of thing. I really believe if you stick with things over the summer he could catch up very quickly! Just simply start counting everything in sight. Great SO pictures btw!!!! Do they count to three for the race starts??? If so, I bet he can count three after that, now work on him doing one to one and counting three things out for you. Three spoons to set the table? Three M & M's.... sort those M & M according to color etc. Math is everywhere, just point it out to him.

In the book 'Teaching Math' she uses lots of games she made or made up. You can find some of those very same types in our file section. The counting mats where you count out the number of marshmallows in a cup of cocoa or feed the mouse some cookies, I can't remember if I put the circle type counting in there...I will fwd one to the list. I like those because they TEACH counting. TM ( teaching math) recommends using the magnetic bingo marker with the wand and so those are what Chrisitne used as her counters with these. TM also has a game using strips with the number on it, then the child places the correct amount of clothespin on each strip. They are SO SIMPLE.... and there are loads and loads of such games already made up out there. And nice thing is they have them according to interests, seasons etc.... if you get AIM, my files are full of things he would enjoy doing.

I know I posted the card game that was in the TM book in the file section too. In fact most all the math ideas I know have come from that book.

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Hi Carol, Sorry it took me so long to reply. It was Special Olympics week here and Hunter participated. I will try to attach a couple of pics to this email.

Hunter is 9 and yes I am worried about him catching up because I do feel like he is behind. He loves to play games and he really loves cars and trucks. He loves to learn as long as it's fun. I he thinks it's learning he won't do it thanks to his first teacher who forced him to sit at a desk and do absolutely boring tasks which were things he already knew but she wouldn't listen to me. No he hates anything to do with "learning" or school work.

<How old is Hunter again?? Are you worried about catching up because he is already behind? What does he like to do? Does he like to play games? Help around the house, play with cars and trucks, bugs??>

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