Re: Questions re: Worms

December 10, 2012

Personal till I die I will be doing parasite cleanse!!!! Sent from my iPhone

Thanks Caryn!! Oh boy, this information on Parasites is so overwhelming!!! My daughter has several of the symptoms described in the article you sent. But

again, MOST autistic children has some of these symptoms. They are actually considered symptoms of autism it self!!! Such as: Aggression Nail biting Mouthing of articles/fingers/hands Playing with saliva and/or genitals (stimming) Bruxism or grinding of teeth Pica or eating dirt and indigestible items Insomnia Hand-flapping Urination/defecation outside toilet, though toilet trained Chronic diarrhea Seizures Obsessions and compulsions Anxiety over change The

one that kept me thinking was: "poor response to intensive biomedical and alternative treatments." This is my daughter!! She has been on a biomedical protocol for 2 years, she took B12 shots for almost 1 year, she's been on Voltrex

for 2 months now, and she does not really respond to anything... So this is really overwhelming!!! What does it mean, that biomedical doctors should first treat children for parasites before starting their biomedical protocol? But it's the homeopathy doctors who do the parasites treatment? So does it mean I wasted 2 of her years with a biomedical treatment (including all the money and effort envolved) for nothing, because she might have parasites which makes her a non-responder????????????????? And no DAN doctor will tell you that, or even mention parasites???? This is just crazy! I can't believe it!! Sorry, folks, but that got me really frustated! Thanks! XexaTo: mb12valtrex From: brooke0618@...Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 13:12:41 -0800Subject: Re: Re: Questions re: Worms

THIS IS MY DAUGHTER.OMG! THANK YOU.SHE EATS EVERYTHING! !NEVER GAVE IT MUCH THOUGHT BUT BOY SHE HAS EVERY SYMPTOM! THANKS FOR THE LINK. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Re:

Questions re: Worms

sign of parasites poop smearing!!! Look list for symptoms of parasites http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t & source=web & cd=7 & ved=0CDIQFjAG & url=http%3A%2F%2Fdevdelay.org%2Fnewsletter%2Farticles%2Fpdf%2F355-parasites-some-with-autism-not-recovering.pdf & ei=ZWXDUISjEPCZ0QXD1YDADw & usg=AFQjCNHvyrP1aIhIUVBp3atxwYfMb1J6gASent from my iPhone

well my daughter smears poop so i see her poop all too often! To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Questions re: Worms

Most labs will not find parasites and even the few that do identify some parasites almost never identify ascaris, tapeworms, hookworms, pinworms, even when they are there. Those labs they much only find various protozoa.

We have seen many worms, but with exception to one time, we only saw them while using antiheminths, giving daily enemas to make sure they were passed quickly and carefully digging through the entire stool. Don't think you will look into the toilet bowl and just see worms.

>

> Do you guys actually see the worms?????

>

> My daughter did some lab test for parasites, even the tiny ones that you have to do a special test passing a wet gaze on her backside right after she wakes up, because you can't see these tiny ones in the stool..

>

> They all came out negative.

>

> I read someone here saying that sometimes lab tests come out negative, but the kid still has parasites, is that true?

>

> On the other hand, some of you seem to mention that you can actually see the worms????

>

> Can anyone clarify on that, please?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Xexa

>

> To: mb12valtrex

> From: channabrennon@...

> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:03:56 -0800

> Subject: Re: Re: excessive thirst and urination on valtrex! Please help

>

> I have also been looking for alternatives to humaworm....I been interested a lot in wildcrafting....this summer i was in the woods gathering wild bergomot. It felt like important to me and when i looked it up found out native americans used it to expel worms...I suggest getting to know your local state park...or if you can find any nature preserves getting a field giude and finding your own medicine..

> or you can order seeds.....there are many herbs to help expel worms....I will try and compile a list and post on the group when i get a chance....I absolutely kick myself for not having done more wildcrafting this summer

> also there is the bloody biofilm that i am convinced allows these pathogens to hide in.....so there is that....I just ordered some sups to help fight the biofilm....my son poops more on the thin side so i know he is full of it. so in my opinion you gotta do both. wish I had known what i know now when my kid was a baby....

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Xexa,Take an hr google autism and parasites, look at dr Klinghardt and parasites, dr Simon Yu and the link I sent early there is a book called look who can to diner!!! There is a lot of dr who link parasites to autism., including dr Natasha macbride the point is doing good diet and many foods that parasites do not likeSent from my iPhone

Thanks, Lina!But how do I do that?Her DAN doctor in the US never even mentioned parasites in 2 years of treatment. I live in Argentina and doctors are 30 years behind the time regarding autism treatments.How do I start????Thanks again!To: mb12valtrex From: lnakawa@...Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 09:48:26 -0800Subject: Re: Questions re: Worms [2 Attachments]

[Attachment(s) from Lina Nakawa included below]

dear xexe,check these photos I took from my son's stool.. (these are only samples.. sorry if they r gross :)althogh I made several stool lab test and even blood test came out negative.my advice for u and all fight parasites.. its the key of recovery,,my son is getting better every time he dumped worms.Lina To: MB12Valtrex Yahoo Group <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 7:38 PM Subject: Questions re: Worms

Do you guys actually see the worms?????My daughter did some lab test for parasites, even the tiny ones that you have to do a special test passing a wet gaze on her backside right after she wakes up, because you can't see these tiny ones in the stool..They all came out negative.I read someone here saying that sometimes lab tests come out negative, but the kid still has parasites, is that true?On the other hand, some of you seem to mention that you can actually see the worms????Can anyone clarify on that, please?Thanks!XexaTo: mb12valtrex From: channabrennon@...Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:03:56 -0800Subject: Re:

Re: excessive thirst and urination on valtrex! Please help

I have also been looking for alternatives to humaworm....I been interested a lot in wildcrafting....this summer i was in the woods gathering wild bergomot. It felt like important to me and when i looked it up found out native americans used it to expel worms...I suggest getting to know your local state park...or if you can find any nature preserves getting a field giude and finding your own medicine..

or you can order seeds.....there are many herbs to help expel worms....I will try and compile a list and post on the group when i get a chance....I absolutely kick myself for not having done more wildcrafting this summer

also there is the bloody biofilm that i am convinced allows these pathogens to hide in.....so there is that....I just ordered some sups to help fight the biofilm....my son poops more on the thin side so i know he is full of it. so in my opinion you gotta do both. wish I had known what i know now when my kid was a baby....

channa

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Dear Xexayes I know how you feel,but we cant say for sure...so it could be anything .It could mean that once the parasites are zapped ..all the other things will begin to work better.Now take a deep breathand dont kick yourself any harder.plan will be to use some as safe as possible as I said I am shaky with the m thing ....we are really behind in Uk but so many things have been said against the m over here.Everything you have done has been for something ,this EVIL journey was never going to be easy!but I bet if you look back to how it was before you started with the DAN there most likey would have been some difference maybe slight...Bola

December 10, 2012

me too!our dan never mentioned this either.its all about yeast To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 12:15 PM Subject: Re: Re: Questions re: Worms

Personal till I die I will be doing parasite cleanse!!!! Sent from my iPhone

Thanks Caryn!! Oh boy, this information on Parasites is so overwhelming!!! My daughter has several of the symptoms described in the article you sent. But

again, MOST autistic children has some of these symptoms. They are actually considered symptoms of autism it self!!! Such as: Aggression Nail biting Mouthing of articles/fingers/hands Playing with saliva and/or genitals (stimming) Bruxism or grinding of teeth Pica or eating dirt and indigestible items Insomnia Hand-flapping Urination/defecation outside toilet, though toilet trained Chronic diarrhea Seizures Obsessions and compulsions Anxiety over change The

one that kept me thinking was: "poor response to intensive biomedical and alternative treatments." This is my daughter!! She has been on a biomedical protocol for 2 years, she took B12 shots for almost 1 year, she's been on Voltrex

for 2 months now, and she does not really respond to anything... So this is really overwhelming!!! What does it mean, that biomedical doctors should first treat children for parasites before starting their biomedical protocol? But it's the homeopathy doctors who do the parasites treatment? So does it mean I wasted 2 of her years with a biomedical treatment (including all the money and effort envolved) for nothing, because she might have parasites which makes her a non-responder????????????????? And no DAN doctor will tell you that, or even mention parasites???? This is just crazy! I can't believe it!! Sorry, folks, but that got me really frustated! Thanks! XexaTo: mb12valtrex From: brooke0618@...Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 13:12:41 -0800Subject: Re: Re: Questions re: Worms

THIS IS MY DAUGHTER.OMG! THANK YOU.SHE EATS EVERYTHING! !NEVER GAVE IT MUCH THOUGHT BUT BOY SHE HAS EVERY SYMPTOM! THANKS FOR THE LINK. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Re:

Questions re: Worms

sign of parasites poop smearing!!! Look list for symptoms of parasites http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t & source=web & cd=7 & ved=0CDIQFjAG & url=http%3A%2F%2Fdevdelay.org%2Fnewsletter%2Farticles%2Fpdf%2F355-parasites-some-with-autism-not-recovering.pdf & ei=ZWXDUISjEPCZ0QXD1YDADw & usg=AFQjCNHvyrP1aIhIUVBp3atxwYfMb1J6gASent from my iPhone

well my daughter smears poop so i see her poop all too often! To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Questions re: Worms

Most labs will not find parasites and even the few that do identify some parasites almost never identify ascaris, tapeworms, hookworms, pinworms, even when they are there. Those labs they much only find various protozoa.

We have seen many worms, but with exception to one time, we only saw them while using antiheminths, giving daily enemas to make sure they were passed quickly and carefully digging through the entire stool. Don't think you will look into the toilet bowl and just see worms.

>

> Do you guys actually see the worms?????

>

> My daughter did some lab test for parasites, even the tiny ones that you have to do a special test passing a wet gaze on her backside right after she wakes up, because you can't see these tiny ones in the stool..

>

> They all came out negative.

>

> I read someone here saying that sometimes lab tests come out negative, but the kid still has parasites, is that true?

>

> On the other hand, some of you seem to mention that you can actually see the worms????

>

> Can anyone clarify on that, please?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Xexa

>

> To: mb12valtrex

> From: channabrennon@...

> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:03:56 -0800

> Subject: Re: Re: excessive thirst and urination on valtrex! Please help

>

> I have also been looking for alternatives to humaworm....I been interested a lot in wildcrafting....this summer i was in the woods gathering wild bergomot. It felt like important to me and when i looked it up found out native americans used it to expel worms...I suggest getting to know your local state park...or if you can find any nature preserves getting a field giude and finding your own medicine..

> or you can order seeds.....there are many herbs to help expel worms....I will try and compile a list and post on the group when i get a chance....I absolutely kick myself for not having done more wildcrafting this summer

> also there is the bloody biofilm that i am convinced allows these pathogens to hide in.....so there is that....I just ordered some sups to help fight the biofilm....my son poops more on the thin side so i know he is full of it. so in my opinion you gotta do both. wish I had known what i know now when my kid was a baby....

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Dear Bola,Thanks for your kind words!!The problem is that I am about to quit the DAN protocol because after 2 years it did not do much. I am also shaky with the m thing...And how can we really know the problem is worms? I don't want to go all crazy looking for all these natural medicines that I don't even know if I can find here in Argentina, don't really know any possible side effects, with no professional help... and not even being sure she has parasites or not...I will wait to see what my Dan doctor will say about all that.Thanks again! The best of luck to you!!To: mb12valtrex From: shayo112009@...Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:28:07 +0000Subject: RE: Re: Questions re: Worms

Dear Xexayes I know how you feel,but we cant say for sure...so it could be anything .It could mean that once the parasites are zapped ..all the other things will begin to work better.Now take a deep breathand dont kick yourself any harder.plan will be to use some as safe as possible as I said I am shaky with the m thing ....we are really behind in Uk but so many things have been said against the m over here.Everything you have done has been for something ,this EVIL journey was never going to be easy!but I bet if you look back to how it was before you started with the DAN there most likey would have been some difference maybe slight...Bola

December 10, 2012

Thanks!I found this information on MMS being toxic. I would not try something so controversial... the information is really scary!http://www.cqs.com/mms.htmTo: mb12valtrex From: tendaimatambanadzo@...Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:20:54 +0000Subject: Re: Questions re: Worms

Xexa,Take an hr google autism and parasites, look at dr Klinghardt and parasites, dr Simon Yu and the link I sent early there is a book called look who can to diner!!! There is a lot of dr who link parasites to autism., including dr Natasha macbride the point is doing good diet and many foods that parasites do not likeSent from my iPhone

Thanks, Lina!But how do I do that?Her DAN doctor in the US never even mentioned parasites in 2 years of treatment. I live in Argentina and doctors are 30 years behind the time regarding autism treatments.How do I start????Thanks again!To: mb12valtrex From: lnakawa@...Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 09:48:26 -0800Subject: Re: Questions re: Worms [2 Attachments]

[Attachment(s) from Lina Nakawa included below]

dear xexe,check these photos I took from my son's stool.. (these are only samples.. sorry if they r gross :)althogh I made several stool lab test and even blood test came out negative.my advice for u and all fight parasites.. its the key of recovery,,my son is getting better every time he dumped worms.Lina To: MB12Valtrex Yahoo Group <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 7:38 PM Subject: Questions re: Worms

Do you guys actually see the worms?????My daughter did some lab test for parasites, even the tiny ones that you have to do a special test passing a wet gaze on her backside right after she wakes up, because you can't see these tiny ones in the stool..They all came out negative.I read someone here saying that sometimes lab tests come out negative, but the kid still has parasites, is that true?On the other hand, some of you seem to mention that you can actually see the worms????Can anyone clarify on that, please?Thanks!XexaTo: mb12valtrex From: channabrennon@...Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:03:56 -0800Subject: Re:

Re: excessive thirst and urination on valtrex! Please help

I have also been looking for alternatives to humaworm....I been interested a lot in wildcrafting....this summer i was in the woods gathering wild bergomot. It felt like important to me and when i looked it up found out native americans used it to expel worms...I suggest getting to know your local state park...or if you can find any nature preserves getting a field giude and finding your own medicine..

or you can order seeds.....there are many herbs to help expel worms....I will try and compile a list and post on the group when i get a chance....I absolutely kick myself for not having done more wildcrafting this summer

also there is the bloody biofilm that i am convinced allows these pathogens to hide in.....so there is that....I just ordered some sups to help fight the biofilm....my son poops more on the thin side so i know he is full of it. so in my opinion you gotta do both. wish I had known what i know now when my kid was a baby....

channa

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Somebody just told me that:"If somebody has autism, he/she has parasites".And that:"If you shoot B12 you just feed the parasites which do not make her better.Chelation is fine IF it was accompanied by the MMS.Valtrex doesn`t work for 99.9% of the kids. The immunoglobulin levels are altered do to the parasites excreting into the blood stream."I am sorry but that just does not make any sense. If that was true, no autistic child would never get better with the biomedical/Dan protocol, because the parasites (in ALL autistic people, as this person said) would be fed with all the supplements people use, including the B12 shots.And we all know that there are thousands of children getting fully recovered with the biomedical, and most of them do not treat for parasites, because the DAN doctors don't even mention it. As I said, my daughter has been a non-responder of the biomedical protocol. But I know several children who got much better or even recovered from autism, just doing Son-Rise therapy, Tomatis, some biomedical treatment... and never ever treated for parasites.So I can't imagine that ALL autistic people could have parasites... it makes no sense.And I don't feel comfortable treating my child for something that I am not even sure she has (parasites) with some "natural" stuff, that I don't even know the possible side effects... with no medical orientation.I will definitely wait for her DAN doctor's opinion on that.To: mb12valtrex From: tendaimatambanadzo@...Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:20:54 +0000Subject: Re: Questions re: Worms

Xexa,Take an hr google autism and parasites, look at dr Klinghardt and parasites, dr Simon Yu and the link I sent early there is a book called look who can to diner!!! There is a lot of dr who link parasites to autism., including dr Natasha macbride the point is doing good diet and many foods that parasites do not likeSent from my iPhone

Thanks, Lina!But how do I do that?Her DAN doctor in the US never even mentioned parasites in 2 years of treatment. I live in Argentina and doctors are 30 years behind the time regarding autism treatments.How do I start????Thanks again!To: mb12valtrex From: lnakawa@...Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 09:48:26 -0800Subject: Re: Questions re: Worms [2 Attachments]

[Attachment(s) from Lina Nakawa included below]

dear xexe,check these photos I took from my son's stool.. (these are only samples.. sorry if they r gross :)althogh I made several stool lab test and even blood test came out negative.my advice for u and all fight parasites.. its the key of recovery,,my son is getting better every time he dumped worms.Lina To: MB12Valtrex Yahoo Group <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 7:38 PM Subject: Questions re: Worms

Do you guys actually see the worms?????My daughter did some lab test for parasites, even the tiny ones that you have to do a special test passing a wet gaze on her backside right after she wakes up, because you can't see these tiny ones in the stool..They all came out negative.I read someone here saying that sometimes lab tests come out negative, but the kid still has parasites, is that true?On the other hand, some of you seem to mention that you can actually see the worms????Can anyone clarify on that, please?Thanks!XexaTo: mb12valtrex From: channabrennon@...Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:03:56 -0800Subject: Re:

Re: excessive thirst and urination on valtrex! Please help

I have also been looking for alternatives to humaworm....I been interested a lot in wildcrafting....this summer i was in the woods gathering wild bergomot. It felt like important to me and when i looked it up found out native americans used it to expel worms...I suggest getting to know your local state park...or if you can find any nature preserves getting a field giude and finding your own medicine..

or you can order seeds.....there are many herbs to help expel worms....I will try and compile a list and post on the group when i get a chance....I absolutely kick myself for not having done more wildcrafting this summer

also there is the bloody biofilm that i am convinced allows these pathogens to hide in.....so there is that....I just ordered some sups to help fight the biofilm....my son poops more on the thin side so i know he is full of it. so in my opinion you gotta do both. wish I had known what i know now when my kid was a baby....

channa

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i will say too im not sold on mms either To: MB12Valtrex Yahoo Group <mb12valtrex > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 5:30 PM Subject: RE: Questions re: Worms

Somebody just told me that:"If somebody has autism, he/she has parasites".And that:"If you shoot B12 you just feed the parasites which do not make her better.Chelation is fine IF it was accompanied by the MMS.Valtrex doesn`t work for 99.9% of the kids. The immunoglobulin levels are altered do to the parasites excreting into the blood stream."I am sorry but that just does

not make any sense. If that was true, no autistic child would never get better with the biomedical/Dan protocol, because the parasites (in ALL autistic people, as this person said) would be fed with all the supplements people use, including the B12 shots.And we all know that there are thousands of children getting fully recovered with the biomedical, and most of them do not treat for parasites, because the DAN doctors don't even mention it. As I said, my daughter has been a non-responder of the biomedical protocol. But I know several children who got much better or even recovered from autism, just doing Son-Rise therapy, Tomatis, some biomedical treatment... and never ever treated for parasites.So I can't imagine that ALL autistic people could have parasites... it makes no sense.And I don't feel comfortable treating my child for something that I am not even sure she has (parasites) with some "natural" stuff, that I don't even know the possible side effects... with no medical orientation.I will definitely wait for her DAN doctor's opinion on that.To: mb12valtrex From: tendaimatambanadzo@...Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:20:54 +0000Subject: Re: Questions re: Worms

Xexa,Take an hr google autism and parasites, look at dr Klinghardt and parasites, dr Simon Yu and the link I sent early there is a book called look who can to diner!!! There is a lot of dr who link parasites to autism., including dr Natasha macbride the point is doing good diet and many foods that parasites do not likeSent from my iPhone

Thanks, Lina!But how do I do that?Her DAN doctor in the US never even mentioned parasites in 2 years of treatment. I live in Argentina and doctors are 30 years behind the time regarding autism treatments.How do I start????Thanks again!To: mb12valtrex From: lnakawa@...Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 09:48:26 -0800Subject: Re: Questions re: Worms [2 Attachments]

[Attachment(s) from Lina Nakawa included below]

dear xexe,check these photos I took from my son's stool.. (these are only samples.. sorry if they r gross :)althogh I made several stool lab test and even blood test came out negative.my advice for u and all fight parasites.. its the key of recovery,,my son is getting better every time he dumped worms.Lina From: Xexa

Ipanema Luz To: MB12Valtrex Yahoo Group <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 7:38 PM Subject: Questions re: Worms

Do you guys actually see the worms????? My daughter did some lab test for parasites, even the tiny ones that you have to do a special test passing a wet gaze on her backside right after she wakes up, because you can't see these tiny ones in the stool.. They all came out negative. I read someone here saying that sometimes lab tests come out negative, but the kid still has parasites, is that true? On the other hand, some of you seem to mention that you can actually see the worms???? Can anyone clarify on that, please? Thanks! XexaTo: mb12valtrex From: channabrennon@... Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:03:56 -0800 Subject: Re:

Re: excessive thirst and urination on valtrex! Please help

I have also been looking for alternatives to humaworm....I been interested a lot in wildcrafting....this summer i was in the woods gathering wild bergomot. It felt like important to me and when i looked it up found out native americans used it to expel worms...I suggest getting to know your local state park...or if you can find any nature preserves getting a field giude and finding your own medicine..

or you can order seeds.....there are many herbs to help expel worms....I will try and compile a list and post on the group when i get a chance....I absolutely kick myself for not having done more wildcrafting this summer

also there is the bloody biofilm that i am convinced allows these pathogens to hide in.....so there is that....I just ordered some sups to help fight the biofilm....my son poops more on the thin side so i know he is full of it. so in my opinion you gotta do both. wish I had known what i know now when my kid was a baby....

channa

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Reading below: This is why there is a new website called StopCallingItAutism or something very similar to that. There are too many individual variations of symptoms/treatments based on individual genetics, which may be more plastic (maybe in several ways!) than we could ever dream, plus their 24/7 interface with monumental environmental pollution, which might easily be the equivalent of a Biblical-proportion Plague. But all this is healable; we just need to keep at it and teaching everyone about all this and to stop polluting Earth; it goes both ways. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Mon, December 10, 2012 5:50:32 PMSubject: Re: Questions re: Worms

i will say too im not sold on mms either To: MB12Valtrex Yahoo Group <mb12valtrex > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 5:30 PM Subject: RE: Questions re: Worms

Somebody just told me that:"If somebody has autism, he/she has parasites".And that:"If you shoot B12 you just feed the parasites which do not make her better.Chelation is fine IF it was accompanied by the MMS.Valtrex doesn`t work for 99.9% of the kids. The immunoglobulin levels are altered do to the parasites excreting into the blood stream."I am sorry but that just does

not make any sense. If that was true, no autistic child would never get better with the biomedical/Dan protocol, because the parasites (in ALL autistic people, as this person said) would be fed with all the supplements people use, including the B12 shots.And we all know that there are thousands of children getting fully recovered with the biomedical, and most of them do not treat for parasites, because the DAN doctors don't even mention it. As I said, my daughter has been a non-responder of the biomedical protocol. But I know several children who got much better or even recovered from autism, just doing Son-Rise therapy, Tomatis, some biomedical treatment... and never ever treated for parasites.So I can't imagine that ALL autistic people could have parasites... it makes no sense.And I don't feel comfortable treating my child for something that I am not even sure she has (parasites) with some "natural" stuff, that I don't even know the possible side effects... with no medical orientation.I will definitely wait for her DAN doctor's opinion on that.To: mb12valtrex From: tendaimatambanadzo@...Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:20:54 +0000Subject: Re: Questions re: Worms

Xexa,Take an hr google autism and parasites, look at dr Klinghardt and parasites, dr Simon Yu and the link I sent early there is a book called look who can to diner!!! There is a lot of dr who link parasites to autism., including dr Natasha macbride the point is doing good diet and many foods that parasites do not likeSent from my iPhone

Thanks, Lina!But how do I do that?Her DAN doctor in the US never even mentioned parasites in 2 years of treatment. I live in Argentina and doctors are 30 years behind the time regarding autism treatments.How do I start????Thanks again!To: mb12valtrex From: lnakawa@...Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 09:48:26 -0800Subject: Re: Questions re: Worms [2 Attachments]

[Attachment(s) from Lina Nakawa included below]

dear xexe,check these photos I took from my son's stool.. (these are only samples.. sorry if they r gross :)althogh I made several stool lab test and even blood test came out negative.my advice for u and all fight parasites.. its the key of recovery,,my son is getting better every time he dumped worms.Lina From: Xexa

Ipanema Luz To: MB12Valtrex Yahoo Group <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 7:38 PM Subject: Questions re: Worms

Do you guys actually see the worms????? My daughter did some lab test for parasites, even the tiny ones that you have to do a special test passing a wet gaze on her backside right after she wakes up, because you can't see these tiny ones in the stool.. They all came out negative. I read someone here saying that sometimes lab tests come out negative, but the kid still has parasites, is that true? On the other hand, some of you seem to mention that you can actually see the worms???? Can anyone clarify on that, please? Thanks! XexaTo: mb12valtrex From: channabrennon@... Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:03:56 -0800 Subject: Re:

Re: excessive thirst and urination on valtrex! Please help

I have also been looking for alternatives to humaworm....I been interested a lot in wildcrafting....this summer i was in the woods gathering wild bergomot. It felt like important to me and when i looked it up found out native americans used it to expel worms...I suggest getting to know your local state park...or if you can find any nature preserves getting a field giude and finding your own medicine..

or you can order seeds.....there are many herbs to help expel worms....I will try and compile a list and post on the group when i get a chance....I absolutely kick myself for not having done more wildcrafting this summer

also there is the bloody biofilm that i am convinced allows these pathogens to hide in.....so there is that....I just ordered some sups to help fight the biofilm....my son poops more on the thin side so i know he is full of it. so in my opinion you gotta do both. wish I had known what i know now when my kid was a baby....

channa

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December 11, 2012

In science you have a thing called LD-50 rule. This means that at a

certain dose, half the rats die. If the dose is increased, more die or

all die; if the dose is lowered, only some die. They then go on to

rationalize that the ones that live out of the 50% have better genetics

against that certain toxin or eat better or are under less stress, etc.

So, you see, we have to look at life in a complex manner. Every person

on this earth has parasites, and no medical professional will disagree.

The medical literature is quite clear on this. But, you see, one person

can have parasites and not have noticeable issues, and it may kill the

next person. If you were to research pathogens and parasites in

general, you will learn that many are carriers, but only some get ill

from the particular pathogen or parasite you are researching. But, what

we do know is that children with autism and anyone with autoimmune and

many with chronic conditions, are weak and fall to pathogens, toxins,

and parasites that others don't. The bottom line is and always will be,

" Do a significant number of children lose autism symptoms when treated

for worms. " It's an overwhelming yes. But, they also get better when

they improve diet, detox, treat for bacteria and viruses and yeast. So,

they all have immune dysfunction, making them react more sickly to the

toxins and pathogens in their environment. And unfortunately, there is

not agreement as to a " one " cause of the immune dysfunction.

Research " worms developmental delay " and you will go into shock at how

worms can cause autism, mental retardation, etc., yet docs just don't

test and treat for it. Also, research the accuracy of worm testing, and

the medical literature will even tell you that they are not reliable, as

well are most testing for just about anything only has a certain

percentage of reliability, each test and condition varying. Yet, docs

will usually give a test a 100% weight. The good docs never do. Now, I

am guessing that what you really mean is that you are wondering if

autism is caused by worms. When you research this, you will learn that

if an adult gets worms, they won't get nearly as ill as when a baby gets

worms. So, yes, the medical literature says that worms can cause

autism. But, are worms the cause of the autism epidemic. The real

cause of the autism epidemic is this: docs not using accurate testing

and not testing in general to look for the cause of symptoms, people

accepting what their doc says and accepting that there is no hope, and

the government allowing all the pathogens and toxins to be in our world,

acting as if all these things are not a big deal. Since I am older, I

know that there was a time when people were rarely ill. We have now

accepted that everyone having chronic illnesses, cancer, etc. is ok.

It's not ok, but as long as we accept it, it will not change. Most

people have no idea that nearly half the population gets cancer today,

and it was very rare just 30 years ago. People have no idea how healthy

we used to be in the 60's and 70's. I think the most knowledgeable docs

on autism recovery will say that not treating for worms can keep autism

recovery from happening in some cases. What I read from Dr. Klinghardt

is that treating for worms first, can be the difference for some people

from either having to be on antibiotics for years or just a couple of

months. I am in agreement from the probably thousands of posts I have

seen. The bits and pieces I have taken from them, would support his

theory. So, in conclusion, it appears that treating for worms will help

a lot, and may be necessary for some, but many can still recover without

such. But, who the heck wants worms dragging them down the rest of their

life. I don't. And the longer you have them, the higher the risk of

them doing horrendous harm. As far as the MMS goes, I have never tried

it. But, what I do know is that gobs of people are, and it's cheap to

do. Many report great results. Also, many complain of adverse effects

from it, but in nearly every case, it had to do with taking too much too

soon. I'm not advocating it, just relaying what I read.

Heidi N

..So I can't imagine that ALL autistic people could have parasites... it

makes no sense.

December 11, 2012

Thanks, Heidi! Very clarifying!!Now, regarding this point: "The bottom line is and always will be,

'Do a significant number of children lose autism symptoms when treated

for worms.' It's an overwhelming yes. But, they also get better when

they improve diet, detox, treat for bacteria and viruses and yeast"Since my daughter did NOT get significantly better with diet, detox, treatment for virus or yeast, I wonder if it is worth it to try treating for worms...Plus, I still don't understand how the Parasite Protocols work (besides the MMS one, which I am not willing to take the risk).If someone could please recommend a safe Protocol that is easier to understand and apply, I would really appreciate it!Thanks again!To: mb12valtrex From: allrpossible@...Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:27:33 -0600Subject: Re: Questions re: Worms