Re: &

December 26, 2010

I agree, but why are the nursing associations " legendary " and not NAEMT?

Associations of any kind are known to protect the " turf " of the members, but

that doesn't mean they speak for all the

members.

Rick

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From: lnmolino@...

Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 09:04 PM

To: texasems-l texasems-l >

Subject: Re: &

NAEMT voiced the opinion of its members. That's what Associations do. Trust

me if the TNA was offended by something done by EMS they'd be on it like

stink on dog dodo.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

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(Office)

(Office Fax)

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I

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In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,

rick.moore@... writes:

Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials?

Rick

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&

>

> A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one

of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing

nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances.

Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any

outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS

plays in providing emergency medical care?

>

> Just wondering,

> -Wes Ogilvie

> -Austin, Texas

>

December 26, 2010

NAEMT did send a letter, but as I recall, it was nicely worded and simply

requested that and review how it might be seen as promoting

a nursing career over an EMS career; EMS having challenges with recruitment

and retention. I believe what was suggested as perhaps &

could do something on equal footing to promote EMS, but I don't remember for

sure.

I do not believe it said anything derogatory about nursing. The treasurer

of NAEMT at that time works for & .

>

> NAEMT voiced the opinion of its members. That's what Associations do. Trust

>

> me if the TNA was offended by something done by EMS they'd be on it like

> stink on dog dodo.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (Office)

> (Office Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

> the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

> unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

>

> for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

> materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

>

> domain by the original author.

>

> In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> rick.moore@... writes:

>

> Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials?

>

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> &

> >

> > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one

> of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing

> nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances.

> Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did

> any

> outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS

> plays in providing emergency medical care?

> >

> > Just wondering,

> > -Wes Ogilvie

> > -Austin, Texas

> >

December 26, 2010

Does anyone really think NAEMT truly represents the voice of this

profession? Not..

Jim<

Re: &

NAEMT did send a letter, but as I recall, it was nicely worded and simply

requested that and review how it might be seen as promoting

a nursing career over an EMS career; EMS having challenges with recruitment

and retention. I believe what was suggested as perhaps &

could do something on equal footing to promote EMS, but I don't remember for

sure.

I do not believe it said anything derogatory about nursing. The treasurer

of NAEMT at that time works for & .

>

> NAEMT voiced the opinion of its members. That's what Associations do.

> Trust

>

> me if the TNA was offended by something done by EMS they'd be on it

> like stink on dog dodo.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection

> Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (Office)

> (Office Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 -

> 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author

> and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person

> or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated

> with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this

> E-mail is intended only

>

> for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

> materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the

> public

>

> domain by the original author.

>

> In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> rick.moore@... writes:

>

> Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials?

>

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> &

> >

> > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on

> > one

> of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials

> showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and

ambulances.

> Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups

> did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary

> role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care?

> >

> > Just wondering,

> > -Wes Ogilvie

> > -Austin, Texas

> >

December 26, 2010

Does anyone really think NAEMT truly represents the voice of this

profession? Not..

Jim<

Re: &

NAEMT did send a letter, but as I recall, it was nicely worded and simply

requested that and review how it might be seen as promoting

a nursing career over an EMS career; EMS having challenges with recruitment

and retention. I believe what was suggested as perhaps &

could do something on equal footing to promote EMS, but I don't remember for

sure.

I do not believe it said anything derogatory about nursing. The treasurer

of NAEMT at that time works for & .

>

> NAEMT voiced the opinion of its members. That's what Associations do.

> Trust

>

> me if the TNA was offended by something done by EMS they'd be on it

> like stink on dog dodo.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection

> Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (Office)

> (Office Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 -

> 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author

> and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person

> or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated

> with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this

> E-mail is intended only

>

> for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

> materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the

> public

>

> domain by the original author.

>

> In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> rick.moore@... writes:

>

> Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials?

>

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> &

> >

> > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on

> > one

> of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials

> showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and

ambulances.

> Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups

> did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary

> role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care?

> >

> > Just wondering,

> > -Wes Ogilvie

> > -Austin, Texas

> >

December 26, 2010

Does anyone really think NAEMT truly represents the voice of this

profession? Not..

Jim<

Re: &

NAEMT did send a letter, but as I recall, it was nicely worded and simply

requested that and review how it might be seen as promoting

a nursing career over an EMS career; EMS having challenges with recruitment

and retention. I believe what was suggested as perhaps &

could do something on equal footing to promote EMS, but I don't remember for

sure.

I do not believe it said anything derogatory about nursing. The treasurer

of NAEMT at that time works for & .

>

> NAEMT voiced the opinion of its members. That's what Associations do.

> Trust

>

> me if the TNA was offended by something done by EMS they'd be on it

> like stink on dog dodo.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection

> Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (Office)

> (Office Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 -

> 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author

> and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person

> or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated

> with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this

> E-mail is intended only

>

> for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

> materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the

> public

>

> domain by the original author.

>

> In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> rick.moore@... writes:

>

> Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials?

>

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> &

> >

> > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on

> > one

> of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials

> showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and

ambulances.

> Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups

> did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary

> role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care?

> >

> > Just wondering,

> > -Wes Ogilvie

> > -Austin, Texas

> >

December 26, 2010

Would an ad for EMS depict nursing home transfers or dialysis runs? No it would

depict the most exciting things like defibrillation, intubation and other ALS

and critical care situations which account for a small percentage of daily EMS

care. As for J&J helping recruit for EMS that would be great too.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

From: wegandy1938@...

Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 09:39 PM

To: texasems-l texasems-l >

Subject: Re: &

My objection to it is that it gives the impression that nurses are the

primary EMS caregivers, which they are not. It also reminds me that in lots

of systems, its nurses, not paramedics, who run the hospital end of EMS, and

I do have a problem with that. I recognize that there are nurses in EMS,

most of the active ones paramedics as well, but some not, and that there

is a role for them, but it's not the primary role any more than the primary

role of the paramedic is in the ER or in the ICU.

I have no problem with J&J attempting to recruit more folks into nursing,

but why don't they depict nursing for what 99% of it is rather than an

exotic permutation that is relatively rarely seen.

And why doesn't J&J help us recruit good folks into EMS as a profession?

After all, EMS buys a ton of their products.

GG

In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:34:57 P.M. Central Standard Time,

rick.moore@... writes:

Well that's too bad. As I said earlier, I would not be offended with a

commercial that depicted medics working in the ED because they do and in the

ED's that I am familiar with they are respected and appreciated. I can't

understand being offended with a depiction of a transport nurse. EMS, nursing,

and all allied health professions have a place and impact the health care

we all need. Its time to quit being offended by each other and work

together.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

From: _lnmolino@..._

(mailto:lnmolino@...)

[mailto:_lnmolino@..._

(mailto:lnmolino@...) ]

Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 08:17 PM

To: _texasems-l _

(mailto:texasems-l )

_texasems-l _

(mailto:texasems-l ) >

Subject: Re: &

Rick maybe you should ask the Non Nurse medics you know how they feel?

Most

that I know are offended.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

_LNMolino@..._

(mailto:LNMolino@...)

(Cell Phone)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

only

for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the

public

domain by the original author.

In a message dated 12/26/2010 6:13:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,

_rick.moore@..._

(mailto:rick.moore@...)

writes:

Wes,

I was responding mostly to Louis who said it was mis-leading. I am not

sure the general public is watching the commercial and believing that when

they dial 911 that a nurse will respond.

I do believe that EMS and nursing need to play well with each other and

having EMS criticize the J&J spot is a little petty. Again they didn't

show

nurses working in any areas that they don't.

As a nurse I appreciate the ad and as a medic I am not offended.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

From: Wes Ogilvie [mailto:_wes.ogilvie@..._

(mailto:wes.ogilvie@...)

]

Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 04:27 PM

To: _texasems-l _

(mailto:texasems-l )

_texasems-l _

(mailto:texasems-l )

>

Subject: Re: &

Rick,

I never said misleading. What I did ask about was reminding &

of the primary role that EMS plays in prehospital care.

I've got zero problem with recruiting nurses. I just think it's a bit

confusing to the public to expect a nurse to show up everytime you call

911 for

an ambulance. I thought they got rid of that requirement after the pilot

episode of Emergency.

Wes Ogilvie

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 26, 2010, at 16:21,

_rick.moore@..._

(mailto:rick.moore@...)

wrote:

> I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing

displeasure and they were pulled for a while.

> I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services

and quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical

care transport. There is even a national certification for transport

nurses

(CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing

in an ED and ICU setting.

> The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in

nursing.

> I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted

medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work.

>

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> From: Wesley Ogilvie

[mailto:_wes.ogilvie@..._

(mailto:wes.ogilvie@...)

]

> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM

> To: _paramedicine _

(mailto:paramedicine )

_paramedicine _

(mailto:paramedicine )

>

> Cc: _texasems-l _

(mailto:texasems-l )

_texasems-l _

(mailto:texasems-l )

>

> Subject: &

>

> A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one

of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing

nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances.

Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did

any

outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS

plays in providing emergency medical care?

>

> Just wondering,

> -Wes Ogilvie

> -Austin, Texas

>

December 26, 2010

Better lobbyists and PR departments.

Wes

Sent from my iPhone

> I agree, but why are the nursing associations " legendary " and not NAEMT?

Associations of any kind are known to protect the " turf " of the members, but

that doesn't mean they speak for all the

> members.

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> From: lnmolino@...

> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 09:04 PM

> To: texasems-l texasems-l >

> Subject: Re: &

>

> NAEMT voiced the opinion of its members. That's what Associations do. Trust

> me if the TNA was offended by something done by EMS they'd be on it like

> stink on dog dodo.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (Office)

> (Office Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

> the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

> for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

> materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

> domain by the original author.

>

> In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> rick.moore@... writes:

>

> Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials?

>

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> &

> >

> > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one

> of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing

> nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances.

> Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any

> outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS

> plays in providing emergency medical care?

> >

> > Just wondering,

> > -Wes Ogilvie

> > -Austin, Texas

> >

December 26, 2010

Better lobbyists and PR departments.

Wes

Sent from my iPhone

> I agree, but why are the nursing associations " legendary " and not NAEMT?

Associations of any kind are known to protect the " turf " of the members, but

that doesn't mean they speak for all the

> members.

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> From: lnmolino@...

> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 09:04 PM

> To: texasems-l texasems-l >

> Subject: Re: &

>

> NAEMT voiced the opinion of its members. That's what Associations do. Trust

> me if the TNA was offended by something done by EMS they'd be on it like

> stink on dog dodo.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (Office)

> (Office Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

> the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

> for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

> materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

> domain by the original author.

>

> In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> rick.moore@... writes:

>

> Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials?

>

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> &

> >

> > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one

> of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing

> nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances.

> Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any

> outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS

> plays in providing emergency medical care?

> >

> > Just wondering,

> > -Wes Ogilvie

> > -Austin, Texas

> >

December 26, 2010

Better lobbyists and PR departments.

Wes

Sent from my iPhone

> I agree, but why are the nursing associations " legendary " and not NAEMT?

Associations of any kind are known to protect the " turf " of the members, but

that doesn't mean they speak for all the

> members.

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> From: lnmolino@...

> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 09:04 PM

> To: texasems-l texasems-l >

> Subject: Re: &

>

> NAEMT voiced the opinion of its members. That's what Associations do. Trust

> me if the TNA was offended by something done by EMS they'd be on it like

> stink on dog dodo.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (Office)

> (Office Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

> the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

> for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

> materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

> domain by the original author.

>

> In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> rick.moore@... writes:

>

> Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials?

>

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> &

> >

> > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one

> of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing

> nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances.

> Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any

> outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS

> plays in providing emergency medical care?

> >

> > Just wondering,

> > -Wes Ogilvie

> > -Austin, Texas

> >

December 26, 2010

I don't know who does, but I've lost count of how many organizations that CLAIM

to represent EMS.

Wes

Sent from my iPhone

> Just thinking out loud............who DOES represent the voice of the EMS

> profession?

>

> GG

>

> In a message dated 12/26/2010 9:33:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> jimmnn@... writes:

>

> Does anyone really think NAEMT truly represents the voice of this

> profession? Not..

>

> Jim<

>

> Re: &

>

> NAEMT did send a letter, but as I recall, it was nicely worded and simply

> requested that and review how it might be seen as promoting

> a nursing career over an EMS career; EMS having challenges with recruitment

> and retention. I believe what was suggested as perhaps &

> could do something on equal footing to promote EMS, but I don't remember

> for

> sure.

>

> I do not believe it said anything derogatory about nursing. The treasurer

> of NAEMT at that time works for & .

>

> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 9:04 PM, _lnmolino@..._

> (mailto:lnmolino@...) > wrote:

>

> >

> > NAEMT voiced the opinion of its members. That's what Associations do.

> > Trust

> >

> > me if the TNA was offended by something done by EMS they'd be on it

> > like stink on dog dodo.

> >

> > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection

> > Consultant

> >

> > _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...)

> >

> > (Cell Phone)

> > (Office)

> > (Office Fax)

> >

> > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

> >

> > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 -

> > 1962)

> >

> > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author

> > and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person

> > or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated

> > with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this

> > E-mail is intended only

> >

> > for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

> > materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the

> > public

> >

> > domain by the original author.

> >

> > In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> > _rick.moore@..._ (mailto:rick.moore@...)

> writes:

> >

> > Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials?

> >

> > Rick

> > Sent via Blackberry

> >

> > &

> > >

> > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on

> > > one

> > of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials

> > showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and

> ambulances.

> > Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups

> > did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary

> > role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care?

> > >

> > > Just wondering,

> > > -Wes Ogilvie

> > > -Austin, Texas

> > >

December 26, 2010

Larger Membership bases seemingly because they give a damn perhaps? Just sayin.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

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LNMolino@...

> Better lobbyists and PR departments.

>

> Wes

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

>> I agree, but why are the nursing associations " legendary " and not NAEMT?

Associations of any kind are known to protect the " turf " of the members, but

that doesn't mean they speak for all the

>> members.

>> Rick

>> Sent via Blackberry

>>

>> From: lnmolino@...

>> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 09:04 PM

>> To: texasems-l texasems-l >

>> Subject: Re: &

>>

>> NAEMT voiced the opinion of its members. That's what Associations do. Trust

>> me if the TNA was offended by something done by EMS they'd be on it like

>> stink on dog dodo.

>>

>> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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>> In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>> rick.moore@... writes:

>>

>> Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials?

>>

>> Rick

>> Sent via Blackberry

>>

>> &

>>>

>>> A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one

>> of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing

>> nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances.

>> Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any

>> outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS

>> plays in providing emergency medical care?

>>>

>>> Just wondering,

>>> -Wes Ogilvie

>>> -Austin, Texas

>>>

December 26, 2010

Larger Membership bases seemingly because they give a damn perhaps? Just sayin.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

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LNMolino@...

> Better lobbyists and PR departments.

>

> Wes

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

>> I agree, but why are the nursing associations " legendary " and not NAEMT?

Associations of any kind are known to protect the " turf " of the members, but

that doesn't mean they speak for all the

>> members.

>> Rick

>> Sent via Blackberry

>>

>> From: lnmolino@...

>> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 09:04 PM

>> To: texasems-l texasems-l >

>> Subject: Re: &

>>

>> NAEMT voiced the opinion of its members. That's what Associations do. Trust

>> me if the TNA was offended by something done by EMS they'd be on it like

>> stink on dog dodo.

>>

>> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

>> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

>> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>>

>> LNMolino@...

>>

>> (Cell Phone)

>> (Office)

>> (Office Fax)

>>

>> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>>

>> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

>> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>>

>> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

>> the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

>> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

>> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

>> for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

>> materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

>> domain by the original author.

>>

>> In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>> rick.moore@... writes:

>>

>> Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials?

>>

>> Rick

>> Sent via Blackberry

>>

>> &

>>>

>>> A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one

>> of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing

>> nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances.

>> Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any

>> outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS

>> plays in providing emergency medical care?

>>>

>>> Just wondering,

>>> -Wes Ogilvie

>>> -Austin, Texas

>>>

December 26, 2010

Larger Membership bases seemingly because they give a damn perhaps? Just sayin.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> Better lobbyists and PR departments.

>

> Wes

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

>> I agree, but why are the nursing associations " legendary " and not NAEMT?

Associations of any kind are known to protect the " turf " of the members, but

that doesn't mean they speak for all the

>> members.

>> Rick

>> Sent via Blackberry

>>

>> From: lnmolino@...

>> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 09:04 PM

>> To: texasems-l texasems-l >

>> Subject: Re: &

>>

>> NAEMT voiced the opinion of its members. That's what Associations do. Trust

>> me if the TNA was offended by something done by EMS they'd be on it like

>> stink on dog dodo.

>>

>> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

>> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

>> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>>

>> LNMolino@...

>>

>> (Cell Phone)

>> (Office)

>> (Office Fax)

>>

>> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>>

>> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

>> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>>

>> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

>> the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

>> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

>> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

>> for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

>> materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

>> domain by the original author.

>>

>> In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>> rick.moore@... writes:

>>

>> Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials?

>>

>> Rick

>> Sent via Blackberry

>>

>> &

>>>

>>> A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one

>> of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing

>> nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances.

>> Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any

>> outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS

>> plays in providing emergency medical care?

>>>

>>> Just wondering,

>>> -Wes Ogilvie

>>> -Austin, Texas

>>>

December 26, 2010

Buler buler â€¦

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

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LNMolino@...

> Just thinking out loud............who DOES represent the voice of the EMS

> profession?

>

> GG

>

> In a message dated 12/26/2010 9:33:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> jimmnn@... writes:

>

> Does anyone really think NAEMT truly represents the voice of this

> profession? Not..

>

> Jim<

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

> [mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) ] On

> Behalf Of Jules

> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:25 PM

> To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

> Subject: Re: &

>

> NAEMT did send a letter, but as I recall, it was nicely worded and simply

> requested that and review how it might be seen as promoting

> a nursing career over an EMS career; EMS having challenges with recruitment

> and retention. I believe what was suggested as perhaps &

> could do something on equal footing to promote EMS, but I don't remember

> for

> sure.

>

> I do not believe it said anything derogatory about nursing. The treasurer

> of NAEMT at that time works for & .

>

> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 9:04 PM, _lnmolino@..._

> (mailto:lnmolino@...) > wrote:

>

>>

>> NAEMT voiced the opinion of its members. That's what Associations do.

>> Trust

>>

>> me if the TNA was offended by something done by EMS they'd be on it

>> like stink on dog dodo.

>>

>> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

>> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

>> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection

>> Consultant

>>

>> _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...)

>>

>> (Cell Phone)

>> (Office)

>> (Office Fax)

>>

>> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>>

>> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

>> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 -

>> 1962)

>>

>> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author

>> and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person

>> or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated

>> with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this

>> E-mail is intended only

>>

>> for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

>> materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the

>> public

>>

>> domain by the original author.

>>

>> In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>> _rick.moore@..._ (mailto:rick.moore@...)

> writes:

>>

>> Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials?

>>

>> Rick

>> Sent via Blackberry

>>

>> &

>>>

>>> A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on

>>> one

>> of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials

>> showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and

> ambulances.

>> Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups

>> did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary

>> role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care?

>>>

>>> Just wondering,

>>> -Wes Ogilvie

>>> -Austin, Texas

>>>

>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>>>

December 26, 2010

Timely thread! Multiple quotes and comments in-line:

I have just started to see this commercial again this week after an absence of a

couple of years. Maybe they hoped the furor had died down. I can't imagine

that the nursing shortage has gotten any worse, with the economy as it is. More

likely, the station was just desperate for something to fill their " public

service announcement " requirement, and dusted the cobwebs off the first thing

they saw on the shelf.

As both a medic and a nurse, I am offended on both levels. As a medic, I am

offended that nursing is presented in the role that is our specific turf. As a

nurse, I am offended that the producers of the spot feel that my profession is

too boring to stand on it's own merits, and thus must spice it up with

misleading representations.

Yes, both professions can be found in both settings. However, when they use a

field setting as HALF of the scenarios in the ad, it is obvious that those who

produced it either have a very poor understanding of nursing, or else

intentionally set out to mislead the public.

It would have been a better commercial, on both a realistic and dramatic level,

if they had substituted a helicopter for the ambulance. I suppose that wasn't

in the production budget though.

Heck, let's show nurses dodging bullets and mortars in Iraq with an M4 on their

back. Let's show them doing unsupervised surgery in a dark, olive drab canvas

tent. Or, if we want it to be even more realistic, let's show nurses busting

the chops of a medic who just brought them a mismanaged patient. Those are all

realistic representations of a great many nurses, unlike what is shown in this

commercial.

Rick.moore@... said:

> Would an ad for EMS depict nursing home transfers or dialysis runs?

Excellent point! Our EMS educators tend to do a very poor job of representing

reality to prospective medics, so I would expect NAEMT or any other advocacy

group who produced recruiting ads, to do much the same thing. If there is an

educator out there who is being boldly honest with his/her students about what

they are really getting into, I'd like to buy him/her dinner. Instead, we get

n00bs fresh out of school with overinflated heads, convinced that they are

" educated " and " professionals " who are going to save the world with the ABC's,

and are too good for dialysis runs.

" Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> said:

> Larger Membership bases seemingly because they give a damn perhaps? Just

sayin.

Yep. The largest percentage of those who enter EMS have zero intention of ever

making it a career. Hell, most of them have zero intention of even making it a

job. They're just looking for a hobby, or a ticket-punch for getting hired as a

fireman. Who really expects those people to put any money or energy behind

furthering the profession?

Almost all nursing students have serious intention to make it a lifelong career,

excepting, of course, those who intend to quit as soon as they marry a doctor.

Plus, it is majority women, which is a downtrodden " minority " , who gets a lot

more public and political sympathy than EMS ever will. Witness the recent lack

of concern over healthcare for 9/11 responders.

It is what it is.

Rob

December 27, 2010

All great points, you are right it may have been better to show a flight nurse,

but then I am sure there would have been people offended because it implied that

only nurses flew on med evacs. I donâ€™t know maybe I just think differently

than the average bear but I canâ€™t be offended about this commercial. It does

what it is designed to do and show the variety of the nursing profession and I

just canâ€™t buy that because of it the entire world now thinks that EMS

professionals are idiots and nurses are the world saviors. Great conversation

though!

Rick

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf

Of rob.davis@...

Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:43 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: &

Timely thread! Multiple quotes and comments in-line:

I have just started to see this commercial again this week after an absence of a

couple of years. Maybe they hoped the furor had died down. I can't imagine that

the nursing shortage has gotten any worse, with the economy as it is. More

likely, the station was just desperate for something to fill their " public

service announcement " requirement, and dusted the cobwebs off the first thing

they saw on the shelf.

As both a medic and a nurse, I am offended on both levels. As a medic, I am

offended that nursing is presented in the role that is our specific turf. As a

nurse, I am offended that the producers of the spot feel that my profession is

too boring to stand on it's own merits, and thus must spice it up with

misleading representations.

Yes, both professions can be found in both settings. However, when they use a

field setting as HALF of the scenarios in the ad, it is obvious that those who

produced it either have a very poor understanding of nursing, or else

intentionally set out to mislead the public.

It would have been a better commercial, on both a realistic and dramatic level,

if they had substituted a helicopter for the ambulance. I suppose that wasn't in

the production budget though.

Heck, let's show nurses dodging bullets and mortars in Iraq with an M4 on their

back. Let's show them doing unsupervised surgery in a dark, olive drab canvas

tent. Or, if we want it to be even more realistic, let's show nurses busting the

chops of a medic who just brought them a mismanaged patient. Those are all