Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 I agree, Rick. But EMS is not primarily provided by nurses, and that's what I saw in the J&J commercial that offended me. GG In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:43:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, rick.moore@... writes: I believe I said I wouldn't be offended with an ad showing medics working in these areas because they do. I for one believe the role of the paramedic in hospitals should be expanded. I have long felt that medics should be the triage person at the ED. Rick Sent via Blackberry & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 Every profession protects its turf. Recently you may have read that in California the Board of Nursing examiners has ruled that CRNAs may practice independently of anesthesiologists, which resulted in a barrage of teeth gnashing and whining by the anesthesiologists and some pretty piquant threads on lists over it. The same stuff happens when we get into discussions over which is better, fire based EMS or private or 3rd service. We all think our version of things is best. I work with some dynamite paramedic/nurses, and they bring much to the table, but without the paramedic part, they would be mostly out of their element in EMS. To suggest otherwise is, in my judgment, ignoring facts. GG In a message dated 12/26/2010 9:14:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, rick.moore@... writes: I agree, but why are the nursing associations " legendary " and not NAEMT? Associations of any kind are known to protect the " turf " of the members, but that doesn't mean they speak for all the members. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) [mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) ] Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 09:04 PM To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) > Subject: Re: & NAEMT voiced the opinion of its members. That's what Associations do. Trust me if the TNA was offended by something done by EMS they'd be on it like stink on dog dodo. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) (Cell Phone) (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, _rick.moore@..._ (mailto:rick.moore@...) writes: Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials? Rick Sent via Blackberry ----- Original Message ----- From: Wesley Ogilvie [mailto:_wes.ogilvie@..._ (mailto:wes.ogilvie@...) ] Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 08:43 PM To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) > Subject: Re: & No disagreement there, but I wonder how many of the nurses who aren't also medics would take it? No offense to present company, but the stories of the nursing associations being offended by anything intruding on their perceived " turf " are legendary. I'm glad that you're on our side, Rick. -Wes On Dec 26, 2010, at 08:40 PM, _rick.moore@..._ (mailto:rick.moore@...) wrote: I believe I said I wouldn't be offended with an ad showing medics working in these areas because they do. I for one believe the role of the paramedic in hospitals should be expanded. I have long felt that medics should be the triage person at the ED. Rick Sent via Blackberry & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 Just thinking out loud............who DOES represent the voice of the EMS profession? GG In a message dated 12/26/2010 9:33:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, jimmnn@... writes: Does anyone really think NAEMT truly represents the voice of this profession? Not.. Jim< -----Original Message----- From: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) [mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) ] On Behalf Of Jules Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:25 PM To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) Subject: Re: & NAEMT did send a letter, but as I recall, it was nicely worded and simply requested that and review how it might be seen as promoting a nursing career over an EMS career; EMS having challenges with recruitment and retention. I believe what was suggested as perhaps & could do something on equal footing to promote EMS, but I don't remember for sure. I do not believe it said anything derogatory about nursing. The treasurer of NAEMT at that time works for & . On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 9:04 PM, _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) > wrote: > > > NAEMT voiced the opinion of its members. That's what Associations do. > Trust > > me if the TNA was offended by something done by EMS they'd be on it > like stink on dog dodo. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection > Consultant > > _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) > > (Cell Phone) > (Office) > (Office Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - > 1962) > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author > and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person > or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated > with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this > E-mail is intended only > > for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential > materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the > public > > domain by the original author. > > In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, > _rick.moore@..._ (mailto:rick.moore@...) writes: > > Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials? > > Rick > Sent via Blackberry > > & > > > > > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on > > one > of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials > showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. > Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups > did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary > role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > > > Just wondering, > > -Wes Ogilvie > > -Austin, Texas > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 Rick, Some of the most exciting calls I have ever had involved just those things, but I'm a little different I guess. I like the challenge of dealing with folks with multiple chronic diseases who are trying to die right then. GG In a message dated 12/26/2010 9:49:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, rick.moore@... writes: Would an ad for EMS depict nursing home transfers or dialysis runs? No it would depict the most exciting things like defibrillation, intubation and other ALS and critical care situations which account for a small percentage of daily EMS care. As for J&J helping recruit for EMS that would be great too. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: _wegandy1938@..._ (mailto:wegandy1938@...) [mailto:_wegandy1938@..._ (mailto:wegandy1938@...) ] Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 09:39 PM To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) > Subject: Re: & My objection to it is that it gives the impression that nurses are the primary EMS caregivers, which they are not. It also reminds me that in lots of systems, its nurses, not paramedics, who run the hospital end of EMS, and I do have a problem with that. I recognize that there are nurses in EMS, most of the active ones paramedics as well, but some not, and that there is a role for them, but it's not the primary role any more than the primary role of the paramedic is in the ER or in the ICU. I have no problem with J&J attempting to recruit more folks into nursing, but why don't they depict nursing for what 99% of it is rather than an exotic permutation that is relatively rarely seen. And why doesn't J&J help us recruit good folks into EMS as a profession? After all, EMS buys a ton of their products. GG In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:34:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, _rick.moore@..._ (mailto:rick.moore@...) writes: Well that's too bad. As I said earlier, I would not be offended with a commercial that depicted medics working in the ED because they do and in the ED's that I am familiar with they are respected and appreciated. I can't understand being offended with a depiction of a transport nurse. EMS, nursing, and all allied health professions have a place and impact the health care we all need. Its time to quit being offended by each other and work together. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: __lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...) _ (mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) ) [mailto:__lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...) _ (mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) ) ] Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 08:17 PM To: __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-l ) _ (mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) ) __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-l ) _ (mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) ) > Subject: Re: & Rick maybe you should ask the Non Nurse medics you know how they feel? Most that I know are offended. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant __LNMolino@..._ (mailto:_LNMolino@...) _ (mailto:_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) ) (Cell Phone) (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 12/26/2010 6:13:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, __rick.moore@..._ (mailto:_rick.moore@...) _ (mailto:_rick.moore@..._ (mailto:rick.moore@...) ) writes: Wes, I was responding mostly to Louis who said it was mis-leading. I am not sure the general public is watching the commercial and believing that when they dial 911 that a nurse will respond. I do believe that EMS and nursing need to play well with each other and having EMS criticize the J&J spot is a little petty. Again they didn't show nurses working in any areas that they don't. As a nurse I appreciate the ad and as a medic I am not offended. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: Wes Ogilvie [mailto:__wes.ogilvie@..._ (mailto:_wes.ogilvie@...) _ (mailto:_wes.ogilvie@..._ (mailto:wes.ogilvie@...) ) ] Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 04:27 PM To: __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-l ) _ (mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) ) __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-l ) _ (mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) ) > Subject: Re: & Rick, I never said misleading. What I did ask about was reminding & of the primary role that EMS plays in prehospital care. I've got zero problem with recruiting nurses. I just think it's a bit confusing to the public to expect a nurse to show up everytime you call 911 for an ambulance. I thought they got rid of that requirement after the pilot episode of Emergency. Wes Ogilvie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2010, at 16:21, __rick.moore@..._ (mailto:_rick.moore@...) _ (mailto:_rick.moore@..._ (mailto:rick.moore@...) ) wrote: > I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing displeasure and they were pulled for a while. > I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses (CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in an ED and ICU setting. > The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing. > I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work. > > Rick > Sent via Blackberry > > From: Wesley Ogilvie [mailto:__wes.ogilvie@..._ (mailto:_wes.ogilvie@...) _ (mailto:_wes.ogilvie@..._ (mailto:wes.ogilvie@...) ) ] > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM > To: __paramedicine _ (mailto:_paramedicine ) _ (mailto:_paramedicine _ (mailto:paramedicine ) ) __paramedicine _ (mailto:_paramedicine ) _ (mailto:_paramedicine _ (mailto:paramedicine ) ) > > Cc: __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-l ) _ (mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) ) __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-l ) _ (mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) ) > > Subject: & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 Wes, I was responding mostly to Louis who said it was mis-leading. I am not sure the general public is watching the commercial and believing that when they dial 911 that a nurse will respond. I do believe that EMS and nursing need to play well with each other and having EMS criticize the J&J spot is a little petty. Again they didn't show nurses working in any areas that they don't. As a nurse I appreciate the ad and as a medic I am not offended. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: Wes Ogilvie Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 04:27 PM To: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: Re: & Rick, I never said misleading. What I did ask about was reminding & of the primary role that EMS plays in prehospital care. I've got zero problem with recruiting nurses. I just think it's a bit confusing to the public to expect a nurse to show up everytime you call 911 for an ambulance. I thought they got rid of that requirement after the pilot episode of Emergency. Wes Ogilvie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2010, at 16:21, rick.moore@... wrote: > I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing displeasure and they were pulled for a while. > I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses (CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in an ED and ICU setting. > The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing. > I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work. > > Rick > Sent via Blackberry > > From: Wesley Ogilvie > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM > To: paramedicine paramedicine > > Cc: texasems-l texasems-l > > Subject: & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 Louis, The depiction in the commercial is of an off-duty nurse coming up on a crash in a rural setting. While I agree it's not an everyday situation it does happen. I have stopped at more than one crash scene while wearing scrubs and I would hope that any nurse coming across the situation would do the same. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: lnmolino@... Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 04:35 PM To: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: Re: & How often does and RN run up to a live MVC in the middle of the road alone wearing scrubs? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 12/26/2010 4:22:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, rick.moore@... writes: I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing displeasure and they were pulled for a while. I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses (CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in an ED and ICU setting. The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing. I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: Wesley Ogilvie Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM To: paramedicine paramedicine > Cc: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: & A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? Just wondering, -Wes Ogilvie -Austin, Texas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 I need to re-watch it only pay attention this time. I watch about 3 commercials a day maybe and frankly I don't pay attention to the stupid ones. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 12/26/2010 6:17:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, rick.moore@... writes: Louis, The depiction in the commercial is of an off-duty nurse coming up on a crash in a rural setting. While I agree it's not an everyday situation it does happen. I have stopped at more than one crash scene while wearing scrubs and I would hope that any nurse coming across the situation would do the same. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: lnmolino@... Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 04:35 PM To: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: Re: & How often does and RN run up to a live MVC in the middle of the road alone wearing scrubs? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 12/26/2010 4:22:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, rick.moore@... writes: I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing displeasure and they were pulled for a while. I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses (CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in an ED and ICU setting. The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing. I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: Wesley Ogilvie Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM To: paramedicine paramedicine > Cc: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: & A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? Just wondering, -Wes Ogilvie -Austin, Texas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 I need to re-watch it only pay attention this time. I watch about 3 commercials a day maybe and frankly I don't pay attention to the stupid ones. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 12/26/2010 6:17:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, rick.moore@... writes: Louis, The depiction in the commercial is of an off-duty nurse coming up on a crash in a rural setting. While I agree it's not an everyday situation it does happen. I have stopped at more than one crash scene while wearing scrubs and I would hope that any nurse coming across the situation would do the same. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: lnmolino@... Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 04:35 PM To: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: Re: & How often does and RN run up to a live MVC in the middle of the road alone wearing scrubs? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 12/26/2010 4:22:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, rick.moore@... writes: I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing displeasure and they were pulled for a while. I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses (CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in an ED and ICU setting. The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing. I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: Wesley Ogilvie Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM To: paramedicine paramedicine > Cc: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: & A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? Just wondering, -Wes Ogilvie -Austin, Texas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 I need to re-watch it only pay attention this time. I watch about 3 commercials a day maybe and frankly I don't pay attention to the stupid ones. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 12/26/2010 6:17:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, rick.moore@... writes: Louis, The depiction in the commercial is of an off-duty nurse coming up on a crash in a rural setting. While I agree it's not an everyday situation it does happen. I have stopped at more than one crash scene while wearing scrubs and I would hope that any nurse coming across the situation would do the same. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: lnmolino@... Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 04:35 PM To: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: Re: & How often does and RN run up to a live MVC in the middle of the road alone wearing scrubs? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 12/26/2010 4:22:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, rick.moore@... writes: I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing displeasure and they were pulled for a while. I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses (CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in an ED and ICU setting. The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing. I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: Wesley Ogilvie Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM To: paramedicine paramedicine > Cc: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: & A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? Just wondering, -Wes Ogilvie -Austin, Texas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 Rick maybe you should ask the Non Nurse medics you know how they feel? Most that I know are offended. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 12/26/2010 6:13:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, rick.moore@... writes: Wes, I was responding mostly to Louis who said it was mis-leading. I am not sure the general public is watching the commercial and believing that when they dial 911 that a nurse will respond. I do believe that EMS and nursing need to play well with each other and having EMS criticize the J&J spot is a little petty. Again they didn't show nurses working in any areas that they don't. As a nurse I appreciate the ad and as a medic I am not offended. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: Wes Ogilvie Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 04:27 PM To: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: Re: & Rick, I never said misleading. What I did ask about was reminding & of the primary role that EMS plays in prehospital care. I've got zero problem with recruiting nurses. I just think it's a bit confusing to the public to expect a nurse to show up everytime you call 911 for an ambulance. I thought they got rid of that requirement after the pilot episode of Emergency. Wes Ogilvie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2010, at 16:21, rick.moore@... wrote: > I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing displeasure and they were pulled for a while. > I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses (CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in an ED and ICU setting. > The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing. > I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work. > > Rick > Sent via Blackberry > > From: Wesley Ogilvie > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM > To: paramedicine paramedicine > > Cc: texasems-l texasems-l > > Subject: & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 Just to play Devil's Advocate, as is the attorney's prerogative, how would the nurses feel if the advertisement was reversed and showed paramedics working in clinical settings other than an ambulance?  After all, there are paramedics in remote medicine, ERs, urgent care, and even on some hospital floors. -Wes Ogilvie Wes, I was responding mostly to Louis who said it was mis-leading. I am not sure the general public is watching the commercial and believing that when they dial 911 that a nurse will respond. I do believe that EMS and nursing need to play well with each other and having EMS criticize the J&J spot is a little petty. Again they didn't show nurses working in any areas that they don't. As a nurse I appreciate the ad and as a medic I am not offended. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: Wes Ogilvie Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 04:27 PM To: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: Re: & Rick, I never said misleading. What I did ask about was reminding & of the primary role that EMS plays in prehospital care. I've got zero problem with recruiting nurses. I just think it's a bit confusing to the public to expect a nurse to show up everytime you call 911 for an ambulance. I thought they got rid of that requirement after the pilot episode of Emergency. Wes Ogilvie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2010, at 16:21, rick.moore@... wrote: > I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing displeasure and they were pulled for a while. > I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses (CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in an ED and ICU setting. > The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing. > I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work > > Rick > Sent via Blackberry > > From: Wesley Ogilvie > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM > To: paramedicine paramedicine > > Cc: texasems-l texasems-l > > Subject: & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 Just to play Devil's Advocate, as is the attorney's prerogative, how would the nurses feel if the advertisement was reversed and showed paramedics working in clinical settings other than an ambulance?  After all, there are paramedics in remote medicine, ERs, urgent care, and even on some hospital floors. -Wes Ogilvie Wes, I was responding mostly to Louis who said it was mis-leading. I am not sure the general public is watching the commercial and believing that when they dial 911 that a nurse will respond. I do believe that EMS and nursing need to play well with each other and having EMS criticize the J&J spot is a little petty. Again they didn't show nurses working in any areas that they don't. As a nurse I appreciate the ad and as a medic I am not offended. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: Wes Ogilvie Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 04:27 PM To: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: Re: & Rick, I never said misleading. What I did ask about was reminding & of the primary role that EMS plays in prehospital care. I've got zero problem with recruiting nurses. I just think it's a bit confusing to the public to expect a nurse to show up everytime you call 911 for an ambulance. I thought they got rid of that requirement after the pilot episode of Emergency. Wes Ogilvie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2010, at 16:21, rick.moore@... wrote: > I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing displeasure and they were pulled for a while. > I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses (CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in an ED and ICU setting. > The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing. > I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work > > Rick > Sent via Blackberry > > From: Wesley Ogilvie > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM > To: paramedicine paramedicine > > Cc: texasems-l texasems-l > > Subject: & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 Just to play Devil's Advocate, as is the attorney's prerogative, how would the nurses feel if the advertisement was reversed and showed paramedics working in clinical settings other than an ambulance?  After all, there are paramedics in remote medicine, ERs, urgent care, and even on some hospital floors. -Wes Ogilvie Wes, I was responding mostly to Louis who said it was mis-leading. I am not sure the general public is watching the commercial and believing that when they dial 911 that a nurse will respond. I do believe that EMS and nursing need to play well with each other and having EMS criticize the J&J spot is a little petty. Again they didn't show nurses working in any areas that they don't. As a nurse I appreciate the ad and as a medic I am not offended. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: Wes Ogilvie Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 04:27 PM To: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: Re: & Rick, I never said misleading. What I did ask about was reminding & of the primary role that EMS plays in prehospital care. I've got zero problem with recruiting nurses. I just think it's a bit confusing to the public to expect a nurse to show up everytime you call 911 for an ambulance. I thought they got rid of that requirement after the pilot episode of Emergency. Wes Ogilvie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2010, at 16:21, rick.moore@... wrote: > I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing displeasure and they were pulled for a while. > I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses (CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in an ED and ICU setting. > The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing. > I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work > > Rick > Sent via Blackberry > > From: Wesley Ogilvie > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM > To: paramedicine paramedicine > > Cc: texasems-l texasems-l > > Subject: & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 Well that's too bad. As I said earlier, I would not be offended with a commercial that depicted medics working in the ED because they do and in the ED's that I am familiar with they are respected and appreciated. I can't understand being offended with a depiction of a transport nurse. EMS, nursing, and all allied health professions have a place and impact the health care we all need. Its time to quit being offended by each other and work together. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: lnmolino@... Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 08:17 PM To: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: Re: & Rick maybe you should ask the Non Nurse medics you know how they feel? Most that I know are offended. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 12/26/2010 6:13:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, rick.moore@... writes: Wes, I was responding mostly to Louis who said it was mis-leading. I am not sure the general public is watching the commercial and believing that when they dial 911 that a nurse will respond. I do believe that EMS and nursing need to play well with each other and having EMS criticize the J&J spot is a little petty. Again they didn't show nurses working in any areas that they don't. As a nurse I appreciate the ad and as a medic I am not offended. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: Wes Ogilvie Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 04:27 PM To: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: Re: & Rick, I never said misleading. What I did ask about was reminding & of the primary role that EMS plays in prehospital care. I've got zero problem with recruiting nurses. I just think it's a bit confusing to the public to expect a nurse to show up everytime you call 911 for an ambulance. I thought they got rid of that requirement after the pilot episode of Emergency. Wes Ogilvie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2010, at 16:21, rick.moore@... wrote: > I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing displeasure and they were pulled for a while. > I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses (CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in an ED and ICU setting. > The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing. > I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work. > > Rick > Sent via Blackberry > > From: Wesley Ogilvie [mailto:wes.ogilvie@... ] > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM > To: paramedicine paramedicine > > Cc: texasems-l texasems-l > > Subject: & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 Well that's too bad. As I said earlier, I would not be offended with a commercial that depicted medics working in the ED because they do and in the ED's that I am familiar with they are respected and appreciated. I can't understand being offended with a depiction of a transport nurse. EMS, nursing, and all allied health professions have a place and impact the health care we all need. Its time to quit being offended by each other and work together. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: lnmolino@... Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 08:17 PM To: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: Re: & Rick maybe you should ask the Non Nurse medics you know how they feel? Most that I know are offended. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 12/26/2010 6:13:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, rick.moore@... writes: Wes, I was responding mostly to Louis who said it was mis-leading. I am not sure the general public is watching the commercial and believing that when they dial 911 that a nurse will respond. I do believe that EMS and nursing need to play well with each other and having EMS criticize the J&J spot is a little petty. Again they didn't show nurses working in any areas that they don't. As a nurse I appreciate the ad and as a medic I am not offended. Rick Sent via Blackberry From: Wes Ogilvie Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 04:27 PM To: texasems-l texasems-l > Subject: Re: & Rick, I never said misleading. What I did ask about was reminding & of the primary role that EMS plays in prehospital care. I've got zero problem with recruiting nurses. I just think it's a bit confusing to the public to expect a nurse to show up everytime you call 911 for an ambulance. I thought they got rid of that requirement after the pilot episode of Emergency. Wes Ogilvie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2010, at 16:21, rick.moore@... wrote: > I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing displeasure and they were pulled for a while. > I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses (CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in an ED and ICU setting. > The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing. > I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work. > > Rick > Sent via Blackberry > > From: Wesley Ogilvie [mailto:wes.ogilvie@... ] > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM > To: paramedicine paramedicine > > Cc: texasems-l texasems-l > > Subject: & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 I believe I said I wouldn't be offended with an ad showing medics working in these areas because they do. I for one believe the role of the paramedic in hospitals should be expanded. I have long felt that medics should be the triage person at the ED. Rick Sent via Blackberry & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 I believe I said I wouldn't be offended with an ad showing medics working in these areas because they do. I for one believe the role of the paramedic in hospitals should be expanded. I have long felt that medics should be the triage person at the ED. Rick Sent via Blackberry & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 I believe I said I wouldn't be offended with an ad showing medics working in these areas because they do. I for one believe the role of the paramedic in hospitals should be expanded. I have long felt that medics should be the triage person at the ED. Rick Sent via Blackberry & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 No disagreement there, but I wonder how many of the nurses who aren't also medics would take it? No offense to present company, but the stories of the nursing associations being offended by anything intruding on their perceived " turf " are legendary. I'm glad that you're on our side, Rick. -Wes I believe I said I wouldn't be offended with an ad showing medics working in these areas because they do. I for one believe the role of the paramedic in hospitals should be expanded. I have long felt that medics should be the triage person at the ED. Rick Sent via Blackberry & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 No disagreement there, but I wonder how many of the nurses who aren't also medics would take it? No offense to present company, but the stories of the nursing associations being offended by anything intruding on their perceived " turf " are legendary. I'm glad that you're on our side, Rick. -Wes I believe I said I wouldn't be offended with an ad showing medics working in these areas because they do. I for one believe the role of the paramedic in hospitals should be expanded. I have long felt that medics should be the triage person at the ED. Rick Sent via Blackberry & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 No disagreement there, but I wonder how many of the nurses who aren't also medics would take it? No offense to present company, but the stories of the nursing associations being offended by anything intruding on their perceived " turf " are legendary. I'm glad that you're on our side, Rick. -Wes I believe I said I wouldn't be offended with an ad showing medics working in these areas because they do. I for one believe the role of the paramedic in hospitals should be expanded. I have long felt that medics should be the triage person at the ED. Rick Sent via Blackberry & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials? Rick Sent via Blackberry & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials? Rick Sent via Blackberry & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials? Rick Sent via Blackberry & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 26, 2010 NAEMT voiced the opinion of its members. That's what Associations do. Trust me if the TNA was offended by something done by EMS they'd be on it like stink on dog dodo. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) (Office) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:51:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, rick.moore@... writes: Is that not what NAEMT did by being offended by these commercials? Rick Sent via Blackberry & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
