Re: &

[Guest guest]

,

I glad to hear that you are feeling a little better. I sure hope the doc will

be able to cure your problem for good with this procedure. I do hope that you

are in the acute stage and that it has not turned chronic. It sounds like your

doc are very encouraging that you will have a full recovery. That is great.

It's also good news that some of the people that you work with are willing to

donate some of there leave time to you. This way you won't have to push

yourself so hard to get back to work before you're really ready. Just remember

what a doc has told me for every day that you spend in a hospital, it takes you

a week to get your strength back. I do believe that this is true. I know from

experience.

With this in mind, you won't be expecting too much, too soon. I hope all goes

well and I'll keep you in my prayers for a speedy recovery.

Take Care,

Louie in WV

Re:

,

I am actually feeling somewhat better this morning. I talked to my wonderful

surgeon yesterday afternoon. He said my GI told he he talked to someone else

and found a different sphincterome (the tool for a sphinterotomy I guess) that

can ge to the bile duct from a different angle so he is pretty sure he can take

care of my problem through ERCP rather than hving the surgeon do surgery. That

was very good news as the surgeon had said the surgery would be hard on me since

they have to cut through the duodenum to get to the bile duct surgically. I

turned in paperwork at work for people to be able to donate leave to me. My

wonderful brother-in-law insisted on giving me 80 hours. The lady suggested I

have the doctor write a note saying I may need to be out of work intermittently

for next month or so. I thought about asking my family doc to do that but I

knew he'd refuse (one of the many reasons I'm getting a new pcp). I mentioned

it to my surgeon and he said he had no problem with the note. He said,

" realistically, I believe it will take you a minmum of three months to get over

this. try to get back in your normal routine when possible, but don't push it. "

That took a huge burden off of me. My boss also told me she will donate leave

and I'm sure a few other people will, too. This will give me a little cushion

for the bad days. The problem with applying for the disability is that it took

over 4 months the last time to get it approved. It was actually approved within

a week of getting to the actual office that makes the decision to approve or

not, but it took 4 months to get through all the other offices I have to go to.

In the meantime, if you have no leave, you are off without pay and the

disability is not retroactive!

I am going to try my best to hang in there and hope that in about 3 months, I

will have my life back once again.

Thanks for all your support. I know I shouldn't whine. Most here are so much

worse off than me. I am very hopeful that I really am still at the acute

recurring stage and not at chronic and that the docs are right and they can

permanently correct my problem. I know others have probably been offered that

promise and it was false but at this point I must believe.

[Guest guest]

,

I glad to hear that you are feeling a little better. I sure hope the doc will

be able to cure your problem for good with this procedure. I do hope that you

are in the acute stage and that it has not turned chronic. It sounds like your

doc are very encouraging that you will have a full recovery. That is great.

It's also good news that some of the people that you work with are willing to

donate some of there leave time to you. This way you won't have to push

yourself so hard to get back to work before you're really ready. Just remember

what a doc has told me for every day that you spend in a hospital, it takes you

a week to get your strength back. I do believe that this is true. I know from

experience.

With this in mind, you won't be expecting too much, too soon. I hope all goes

well and I'll keep you in my prayers for a speedy recovery.

Take Care,

Louie in WV

Re:

,

I am actually feeling somewhat better this morning. I talked to my wonderful

surgeon yesterday afternoon. He said my GI told he he talked to someone else

and found a different sphincterome (the tool for a sphinterotomy I guess) that

can ge to the bile duct from a different angle so he is pretty sure he can take

care of my problem through ERCP rather than hving the surgeon do surgery. That

was very good news as the surgeon had said the surgery would be hard on me since

they have to cut through the duodenum to get to the bile duct surgically. I

turned in paperwork at work for people to be able to donate leave to me. My

wonderful brother-in-law insisted on giving me 80 hours. The lady suggested I

have the doctor write a note saying I may need to be out of work intermittently

for next month or so. I thought about asking my family doc to do that but I

knew he'd refuse (one of the many reasons I'm getting a new pcp). I mentioned

it to my surgeon and he said he had no problem with the note. He said,

" realistically, I believe it will take you a minmum of three months to get over

this. try to get back in your normal routine when possible, but don't push it. "

That took a huge burden off of me. My boss also told me she will donate leave

and I'm sure a few other people will, too. This will give me a little cushion

for the bad days. The problem with applying for the disability is that it took

over 4 months the last time to get it approved. It was actually approved within

a week of getting to the actual office that makes the decision to approve or

not, but it took 4 months to get through all the other offices I have to go to.

In the meantime, if you have no leave, you are off without pay and the

disability is not retroactive!

I am going to try my best to hang in there and hope that in about 3 months, I

will have my life back once again.

Thanks for all your support. I know I shouldn't whine. Most here are so much

worse off than me. I am very hopeful that I really am still at the acute

recurring stage and not at chronic and that the docs are right and they can

permanently correct my problem. I know others have probably been offered that

promise and it was false but at this point I must believe.

[Guest guest]

,

I glad to hear that you are feeling a little better. I sure hope the doc will

be able to cure your problem for good with this procedure. I do hope that you

are in the acute stage and that it has not turned chronic. It sounds like your

doc are very encouraging that you will have a full recovery. That is great.

It's also good news that some of the people that you work with are willing to

donate some of there leave time to you. This way you won't have to push

yourself so hard to get back to work before you're really ready. Just remember

what a doc has told me for every day that you spend in a hospital, it takes you

a week to get your strength back. I do believe that this is true. I know from

experience.

With this in mind, you won't be expecting too much, too soon. I hope all goes

well and I'll keep you in my prayers for a speedy recovery.

Take Care,

Louie in WV

Re:

,

I am actually feeling somewhat better this morning. I talked to my wonderful

surgeon yesterday afternoon. He said my GI told he he talked to someone else

and found a different sphincterome (the tool for a sphinterotomy I guess) that

can ge to the bile duct from a different angle so he is pretty sure he can take

care of my problem through ERCP rather than hving the surgeon do surgery. That

was very good news as the surgeon had said the surgery would be hard on me since

they have to cut through the duodenum to get to the bile duct surgically. I

turned in paperwork at work for people to be able to donate leave to me. My

wonderful brother-in-law insisted on giving me 80 hours. The lady suggested I

have the doctor write a note saying I may need to be out of work intermittently

for next month or so. I thought about asking my family doc to do that but I

knew he'd refuse (one of the many reasons I'm getting a new pcp). I mentioned

it to my surgeon and he said he had no problem with the note. He said,

" realistically, I believe it will take you a minmum of three months to get over

this. try to get back in your normal routine when possible, but don't push it. "

That took a huge burden off of me. My boss also told me she will donate leave

and I'm sure a few other people will, too. This will give me a little cushion

for the bad days. The problem with applying for the disability is that it took

over 4 months the last time to get it approved. It was actually approved within

a week of getting to the actual office that makes the decision to approve or

not, but it took 4 months to get through all the other offices I have to go to.

In the meantime, if you have no leave, you are off without pay and the

disability is not retroactive!

I am going to try my best to hang in there and hope that in about 3 months, I

will have my life back once again.

Thanks for all your support. I know I shouldn't whine. Most here are so much

worse off than me. I am very hopeful that I really am still at the acute

recurring stage and not at chronic and that the docs are right and they can

permanently correct my problem. I know others have probably been offered that

promise and it was false but at this point I must believe.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Deb. I really needed to see this right now. I just told my

brother about the surgery and he told me he thought I was taking the

easy way out and it was way too risky. He's seriously making me have

second thoughts.

> It won't be long and Girl's you'll be right with us losing

> people.I'm happy & feel WONDERFUL and I hope it will not long for

> you.It will be the best thing and the greatest moment of your

> Life.New and also Wonderful.I can say that from what I gone

> through.Just hang in there and soon it will be you all Losing that

> ugly FAT like I am.God Bless and take everyday a new and WONDERFUL

> DAY.a friend debkroll of Iowa down 36 lbs since Aug.14,2003.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Deb. I really needed to see this right now. I just told my

brother about the surgery and he told me he thought I was taking the

easy way out and it was way too risky. He's seriously making me have

second thoughts.

> It won't be long and Girl's you'll be right with us losing

> people.I'm happy & feel WONDERFUL and I hope it will not long for

> you.It will be the best thing and the greatest moment of your

> Life.New and also Wonderful.I can say that from what I gone

> through.Just hang in there and soon it will be you all Losing that

> ugly FAT like I am.God Bless and take everyday a new and WONDERFUL

> DAY.a friend debkroll of Iowa down 36 lbs since Aug.14,2003.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Deb. I really needed to see this right now. I just told my

brother about the surgery and he told me he thought I was taking the

easy way out and it was way too risky. He's seriously making me have

second thoughts.

> It won't be long and Girl's you'll be right with us losing

> people.I'm happy & feel WONDERFUL and I hope it will not long for

> you.It will be the best thing and the greatest moment of your

> Life.New and also Wonderful.I can say that from what I gone

> through.Just hang in there and soon it will be you all Losing that

> ugly FAT like I am.God Bless and take everyday a new and WONDERFUL

> DAY.a friend debkroll of Iowa down 36 lbs since Aug.14,2003.

[Guest guest]

Don't let anyone discourage you.If this is what you want and

the only way to be thinner are Healthier.It's YOUR chose and From My

point of the surgery.I had Great luck and would do it all over

agian.I just under a month out and down 36 pound.I couldn't have

done that with out the surgery.I'm eating just small amounts.Tonight

I had one tiny pancake with a egg and happy.I'm not eat a lot but

feels me full.I had people whom teast me and called me names all my

life.I just want to be healthier and see my children annd

grandchildren and hopefully greatgrandchildren someday grow up.I'm

43 years of age and feeling better every step of the weight lose.So

don't feel bad or leason to people you know what the best for

YOU.God Bless and just remember your the most important person whom

has to be Healthy and Happy.I wish you the best and thinner Life.The

most Wonderful thing A person can give the self LIFE. a friend

debkroll of Iowa,Down 36 lbs and happy for what I did to get here so

far.

> Thanks, Deb. I really needed to see this right now. I just told

my

> brother about the surgery and he told me he thought I was taking

the

> easy way out and it was way too risky. He's seriously making me

have

> second thoughts.

>

>

>

> > It won't be long and Girl's you'll be right with us losing

> > people.I'm happy & feel WONDERFUL and I hope it will not long

for

> > you.It will be the best thing and the greatest moment of your

> > Life.New and also Wonderful.I can say that from what I gone

> > through.Just hang in there and soon it will be you all Losing

that

> > ugly FAT like I am.God Bless and take everyday a new and

WONDERFUL

> > DAY.a friend debkroll of Iowa down 36 lbs since Aug.14,2003.

[Guest guest]

Don't let anyone discourage you.If this is what you want and

the only way to be thinner are Healthier.It's YOUR chose and From My

point of the surgery.I had Great luck and would do it all over

agian.I just under a month out and down 36 pound.I couldn't have

done that with out the surgery.I'm eating just small amounts.Tonight

I had one tiny pancake with a egg and happy.I'm not eat a lot but

feels me full.I had people whom teast me and called me names all my

life.I just want to be healthier and see my children annd

grandchildren and hopefully greatgrandchildren someday grow up.I'm

43 years of age and feeling better every step of the weight lose.So

don't feel bad or leason to people you know what the best for

YOU.God Bless and just remember your the most important person whom

has to be Healthy and Happy.I wish you the best and thinner Life.The

most Wonderful thing A person can give the self LIFE. a friend

debkroll of Iowa,Down 36 lbs and happy for what I did to get here so

far.

> Thanks, Deb. I really needed to see this right now. I just told

my

> brother about the surgery and he told me he thought I was taking

the

> easy way out and it was way too risky. He's seriously making me

have

> second thoughts.

>

>

>

> > It won't be long and Girl's you'll be right with us losing

> > people.I'm happy & feel WONDERFUL and I hope it will not long

for

> > you.It will be the best thing and the greatest moment of your

> > Life.New and also Wonderful.I can say that from what I gone

> > through.Just hang in there and soon it will be you all Losing

that

> > ugly FAT like I am.God Bless and take everyday a new and

WONDERFUL

> > DAY.a friend debkroll of Iowa down 36 lbs since Aug.14,2003.

[Guest guest]

Don't let anyone discourage you.If this is what you want and

the only way to be thinner are Healthier.It's YOUR chose and From My

point of the surgery.I had Great luck and would do it all over

agian.I just under a month out and down 36 pound.I couldn't have

done that with out the surgery.I'm eating just small amounts.Tonight

I had one tiny pancake with a egg and happy.I'm not eat a lot but

feels me full.I had people whom teast me and called me names all my

life.I just want to be healthier and see my children annd

grandchildren and hopefully greatgrandchildren someday grow up.I'm

43 years of age and feeling better every step of the weight lose.So

don't feel bad or leason to people you know what the best for

YOU.God Bless and just remember your the most important person whom

has to be Healthy and Happy.I wish you the best and thinner Life.The

most Wonderful thing A person can give the self LIFE. a friend

debkroll of Iowa,Down 36 lbs and happy for what I did to get here so

far.

> Thanks, Deb. I really needed to see this right now. I just told

my

> brother about the surgery and he told me he thought I was taking

the

> easy way out and it was way too risky. He's seriously making me

have

> second thoughts.

>

>

>

> > It won't be long and Girl's you'll be right with us losing

> > people.I'm happy & feel WONDERFUL and I hope it will not long

for

> > you.It will be the best thing and the greatest moment of your

> > Life.New and also Wonderful.I can say that from what I gone

> > through.Just hang in there and soon it will be you all Losing

that

> > ugly FAT like I am.God Bless and take everyday a new and

WONDERFUL

> > DAY.a friend debkroll of Iowa down 36 lbs since Aug.14,2003.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Deb for your words of encouragement. I've started my journey

and I'm not gonna let any obstacles get in my way. This week I had a

physical/bloodwork with my PCP, got my letter of Medical Necessity

and had my first consult with surgeon. Next week I'm scheduled to get

gallbladder ultrasound, Psych Evaluation, Dietitian apt., and Lung

Dr. apt. My surgeons assistant gave me a tennative date of Oct. 1 if

tings go smoothly next week with all my tests. WOW I'm so happy. I

really thought it would be more like months, but I'm on the surgery

schedule!!! I haven't told anyone in my family (except my hubby and

he's behind me 100%) yet because I don't want them to try to talk me

out of it. My goal is to live better, healthier and longer and my

family will have to accept my decision and nothing is gonna stop me.

Chris

preop

280/ /150

> It won't be long and Girl's you'll be right with us losing

> people.I'm happy & feel WONDERFUL and I hope it will not long for

> you.It will be the best thing and the greatest moment of your

> Life.New and also Wonderful.I can say that from what I gone

> through.Just hang in there and soon it will be you all Losing that

> ugly FAT like I am.God Bless and take everyday a new and WONDERFUL

> DAY.a friend debkroll of Iowa down 36 lbs since Aug.14,2003.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Deb for your words of encouragement. I've started my journey

and I'm not gonna let any obstacles get in my way. This week I had a

physical/bloodwork with my PCP, got my letter of Medical Necessity

and had my first consult with surgeon. Next week I'm scheduled to get

gallbladder ultrasound, Psych Evaluation, Dietitian apt., and Lung

Dr. apt. My surgeons assistant gave me a tennative date of Oct. 1 if

tings go smoothly next week with all my tests. WOW I'm so happy. I

really thought it would be more like months, but I'm on the surgery

schedule!!! I haven't told anyone in my family (except my hubby and

he's behind me 100%) yet because I don't want them to try to talk me

out of it. My goal is to live better, healthier and longer and my

family will have to accept my decision and nothing is gonna stop me.

Chris

preop

280/ /150

> It won't be long and Girl's you'll be right with us losing

> people.I'm happy & feel WONDERFUL and I hope it will not long for

> you.It will be the best thing and the greatest moment of your

> Life.New and also Wonderful.I can say that from what I gone

> through.Just hang in there and soon it will be you all Losing that

> ugly FAT like I am.God Bless and take everyday a new and WONDERFUL

> DAY.a friend debkroll of Iowa down 36 lbs since Aug.14,2003.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Deb for your words of encouragement. I've started my journey

and I'm not gonna let any obstacles get in my way. This week I had a

physical/bloodwork with my PCP, got my letter of Medical Necessity

and had my first consult with surgeon. Next week I'm scheduled to get

gallbladder ultrasound, Psych Evaluation, Dietitian apt., and Lung

Dr. apt. My surgeons assistant gave me a tennative date of Oct. 1 if

tings go smoothly next week with all my tests. WOW I'm so happy. I

really thought it would be more like months, but I'm on the surgery

schedule!!! I haven't told anyone in my family (except my hubby and

he's behind me 100%) yet because I don't want them to try to talk me

out of it. My goal is to live better, healthier and longer and my

family will have to accept my decision and nothing is gonna stop me.

Chris

preop

280/ /150

> It won't be long and Girl's you'll be right with us losing

> people.I'm happy & feel WONDERFUL and I hope it will not long for

> you.It will be the best thing and the greatest moment of your

> Life.New and also Wonderful.I can say that from what I gone

> through.Just hang in there and soon it will be you all Losing that

> ugly FAT like I am.God Bless and take everyday a new and WONDERFUL

> DAY.a friend debkroll of Iowa down 36 lbs since Aug.14,2003.

[Guest guest]

Hi I never told my family but the other day I was in walmart

and come to behold there was three shocked to see me.They couldn't

get over how great I looked.I told them and they finally were happy

for me.They even said they could see I lost some.That made my day.So

you'll see they'll come around to be happy and glad you did.I have 4

that hasn't seen me yet but they are funny and we never seen eye to

eye.They use to tease and call me names and even hit me becuz of the

family abuse.So I not a shame.Glad you have a Wonderful husband that

gives you 100% support.I keep you in my thoughts and prayers

everthing goes great so you'll have the surgery behind you by

Oct.1,Boy thats Great so soon.Congraduation.See you'll do Wonderful

and heal fast and be writing saying I lost ? I'm so Happy for

ya.They took my Gallbladder when I had my surgery so never have to

worry about that ever again.Well keep in touch and I'll be waiting

to hear it's a GO.God Bless and tell hubby He's thee Greatest to

stand by your side.Of course He like it after the New you dresses up

sexy for him.God Bless a friend debkroll of Iowa,Down 36 since

Aug.14,2003.

> Thanks Deb for your words of encouragement. I've started my

journey

> and I'm not gonna let any obstacles get in my way. This week I had

a

> physical/bloodwork with my PCP, got my letter of Medical Necessity

> and had my first consult with surgeon. Next week I'm scheduled to

get

> gallbladder ultrasound, Psych Evaluation, Dietitian apt., and Lung

> Dr. apt. My surgeons assistant gave me a tennative date of Oct. 1

if

> tings go smoothly next week with all my tests. WOW I'm so happy. I

> really thought it would be more like months, but I'm on the

surgery

> schedule!!! I haven't told anyone in my family (except my hubby

and

> he's behind me 100%) yet because I don't want them to try to talk

me

> out of it. My goal is to live better, healthier and longer and my

> family will have to accept my decision and nothing is gonna stop

me.

>

> Chris

> preop

> 280/ /150

>

>

> > It won't be long and Girl's you'll be right with us losing

> > people.I'm happy & feel WONDERFUL and I hope it will not long

for

> > you.It will be the best thing and the greatest moment of your

> > Life.New and also Wonderful.I can say that from what I gone

> > through.Just hang in there and soon it will be you all Losing

that

> > ugly FAT like I am.God Bless and take everyday a new and

WONDERFUL

> > DAY.a friend debkroll of Iowa down 36 lbs since Aug.14,2003.

[Guest guest]

Hi I never told my family but the other day I was in walmart

and come to behold there was three shocked to see me.They couldn't

get over how great I looked.I told them and they finally were happy

for me.They even said they could see I lost some.That made my day.So

you'll see they'll come around to be happy and glad you did.I have 4

that hasn't seen me yet but they are funny and we never seen eye to

eye.They use to tease and call me names and even hit me becuz of the

family abuse.So I not a shame.Glad you have a Wonderful husband that

gives you 100% support.I keep you in my thoughts and prayers

everthing goes great so you'll have the surgery behind you by

Oct.1,Boy thats Great so soon.Congraduation.See you'll do Wonderful

and heal fast and be writing saying I lost ? I'm so Happy for

ya.They took my Gallbladder when I had my surgery so never have to

worry about that ever again.Well keep in touch and I'll be waiting

to hear it's a GO.God Bless and tell hubby He's thee Greatest to

stand by your side.Of course He like it after the New you dresses up

sexy for him.God Bless a friend debkroll of Iowa,Down 36 since

Aug.14,2003.

> Thanks Deb for your words of encouragement. I've started my

journey

> and I'm not gonna let any obstacles get in my way. This week I had

a

> physical/bloodwork with my PCP, got my letter of Medical Necessity

> and had my first consult with surgeon. Next week I'm scheduled to

get

> gallbladder ultrasound, Psych Evaluation, Dietitian apt., and Lung

> Dr. apt. My surgeons assistant gave me a tennative date of Oct. 1

if

> tings go smoothly next week with all my tests. WOW I'm so happy. I

> really thought it would be more like months, but I'm on the

surgery

> schedule!!! I haven't told anyone in my family (except my hubby

and

> he's behind me 100%) yet because I don't want them to try to talk

me

> out of it. My goal is to live better, healthier and longer and my

> family will have to accept my decision and nothing is gonna stop

me.

>

> Chris

> preop

> 280/ /150

>

>

> > It won't be long and Girl's you'll be right with us losing

> > people.I'm happy & feel WONDERFUL and I hope it will not long

for

> > you.It will be the best thing and the greatest moment of your

> > Life.New and also Wonderful.I can say that from what I gone

> > through.Just hang in there and soon it will be you all Losing

that

> > ugly FAT like I am.God Bless and take everyday a new and

WONDERFUL

> > DAY.a friend debkroll of Iowa down 36 lbs since Aug.14,2003.

[Guest guest]

Hi I never told my family but the other day I was in walmart

and come to behold there was three shocked to see me.They couldn't

get over how great I looked.I told them and they finally were happy

for me.They even said they could see I lost some.That made my day.So

you'll see they'll come around to be happy and glad you did.I have 4

that hasn't seen me yet but they are funny and we never seen eye to

eye.They use to tease and call me names and even hit me becuz of the

family abuse.So I not a shame.Glad you have a Wonderful husband that

gives you 100% support.I keep you in my thoughts and prayers

everthing goes great so you'll have the surgery behind you by

Oct.1,Boy thats Great so soon.Congraduation.See you'll do Wonderful

and heal fast and be writing saying I lost ? I'm so Happy for

ya.They took my Gallbladder when I had my surgery so never have to

worry about that ever again.Well keep in touch and I'll be waiting

to hear it's a GO.God Bless and tell hubby He's thee Greatest to

stand by your side.Of course He like it after the New you dresses up

sexy for him.God Bless a friend debkroll of Iowa,Down 36 since

Aug.14,2003.

> Thanks Deb for your words of encouragement. I've started my

journey

> and I'm not gonna let any obstacles get in my way. This week I had

a

> physical/bloodwork with my PCP, got my letter of Medical Necessity

> and had my first consult with surgeon. Next week I'm scheduled to

get

> gallbladder ultrasound, Psych Evaluation, Dietitian apt., and Lung

> Dr. apt. My surgeons assistant gave me a tennative date of Oct. 1

if

> tings go smoothly next week with all my tests. WOW I'm so happy. I

> really thought it would be more like months, but I'm on the

surgery

> schedule!!! I haven't told anyone in my family (except my hubby

and

> he's behind me 100%) yet because I don't want them to try to talk

me

> out of it. My goal is to live better, healthier and longer and my

> family will have to accept my decision and nothing is gonna stop

me.

>

> Chris

> preop

> 280/ /150

>

>

> > It won't be long and Girl's you'll be right with us losing

> > people.I'm happy & feel WONDERFUL and I hope it will not long

for

> > you.It will be the best thing and the greatest moment of your

> > Life.New and also Wonderful.I can say that from what I gone

> > through.Just hang in there and soon it will be you all Losing

that

> > ugly FAT like I am.God Bless and take everyday a new and

WONDERFUL

> > DAY.a friend debkroll of Iowa down 36 lbs since Aug.14,2003.

[Guest guest]

Deb, I hope you see the other 4 members of your family in a couple of

months after you've lost a few more pounds and I hope you knock their

eyes out!!!! I'm so happy for you. It's downhill from now on.

Geeez, I haven't felt sexy in years so I guess I can look forward to

dressing sexy for my hubby. I hate these FAT clothes and can't wait

to get new SKINNY ones. Oh I have so much to look forward to!!!

Thank you for keeping me in your thoughts and prayers and you are in

mine.

Chris

preop

280/ /150

> > > It won't be long and Girl's you'll be right with us losing

> > > people.I'm happy & feel WONDERFUL and I hope it will not long

> for

> > > you.It will be the best thing and the greatest moment of your

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> that

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> > > DAY.a friend debkroll of Iowa down 36 lbs since Aug.14,2003.

[Guest guest]

actually, Dixie was only needed for ALS protocols...and, IIRC, ended up

becoming a patient herself when she slide into an overturned car to care for a

patient, rather than letting the properly clothed FFs do the extrication.

ck

In a message dated 12/26/10 16:28:20 Central Standard Time,

wes.ogilvie@... writes:

Rick,

I never said misleading. What I did ask about was reminding &

of the primary role that EMS plays in prehospital care.

I've got zero problem with recruiting nurses. I just think it's a bit

confusing to the public to expect a nurse to show up everytime you call 911 for

an ambulance. I thought they got rid of that requirement after the pilot

episode of Emergency.

Wes Ogilvie

Sent from my iPhone

> I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing

displeasure and they were pulled for a while.

> I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services

and quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical

care transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses

(CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing

in an ED and ICU setting.

> The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in

nursing.

> I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted

medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work.

>

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> From: Wesley Ogilvie

> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM

> To: paramedicine paramedicine >

> Cc: texasems-l texasems-l >

> Subject: &

>

>

>

> A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one

of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing

nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances.

Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any

outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS

plays in providing emergency medical care?

>

> Just wondering,

> -Wes Ogilvie

> -Austin, Texas

>

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>

>

>

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I've seen those a lot lately. I do recall the conversations on the topic but not

the end result.

The commercials are very misleading as compared to reality.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of

these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses

performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone

remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to

& to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing

emergency medical care?

>

> Just wondering,

> -Wes Ogilvie

> -Austin, Texas

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing displeasure

and they were pulled for a while.

I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and quite

a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care transport.

There is even a national certification for transport nurses (CTRN) and the CFRN

for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in an ED and ICU setting.

The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing.

I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted medics in

the ED since that is an area that medics work.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

From: Wesley Ogilvie

Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM

To: paramedicine paramedicine >

Cc: texasems-l texasems-l >

Subject: &

A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of

these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses

performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone

remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to

& to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing

emergency medical care?

Just wondering,

-Wes Ogilvie

-Austin, Texas

[Guest guest]

Rick,

I never said misleading. What I did ask about was reminding & of

the primary role that EMS plays in prehospital care.

I've got zero problem with recruiting nurses. I just think it's a bit confusing

to the public to expect a nurse to show up everytime you call 911 for an

ambulance. I thought they got rid of that requirement after the pilot episode of

Emergency.

Wes Ogilvie

Sent from my iPhone

> I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing

displeasure and they were pulled for a while.

> I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and

quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care

transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses (CTRN)

and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in an ED and

ICU setting.

> The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing.

> I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted medics

in the ED since that is an area that medics work.

>

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> From: Wesley Ogilvie

> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM

> To: paramedicine paramedicine >

> Cc: texasems-l texasems-l >

> Subject: &

>

>

>

> A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of

these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses

performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone

remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to

& to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing

emergency medical care?

>

> Just wondering,

> -Wes Ogilvie

> -Austin, Texas

>

>

[Guest guest]

How often does and RN run up to a live MVC in the middle of the road alone

wearing scrubs?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the original author.

In a message dated 12/26/2010 4:22:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,

rick.moore@... writes:

I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing

displeasure and they were pulled for a while.

I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and

quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care

transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses

(CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in

an ED and ICU setting.

The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing.

I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted

medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

From: Wesley Ogilvie

Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM

To: paramedicine paramedicine >

Cc: texasems-l texasems-l >

Subject: &

A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one

of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing

nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances.

Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any

outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS

plays in providing emergency medical care?

Just wondering,

-Wes Ogilvie

-Austin, Texas

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[Guest guest]

How often does and RN run up to a live MVC in the middle of the road alone

wearing scrubs?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the original author.

In a message dated 12/26/2010 4:22:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,

rick.moore@... writes:

I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing

displeasure and they were pulled for a while.

I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and

quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care

transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses

(CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in

an ED and ICU setting.

The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing.

I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted

medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

From: Wesley Ogilvie

Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM

To: paramedicine paramedicine >

Cc: texasems-l texasems-l >

Subject: &

A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one

of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing

nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances.

Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any

outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS

plays in providing emergency medical care?

Just wondering,

-Wes Ogilvie

-Austin, Texas

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[Guest guest]

How often does and RN run up to a live MVC in the middle of the road alone

wearing scrubs?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the original author.

In a message dated 12/26/2010 4:22:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,

rick.moore@... writes:

I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing

displeasure and they were pulled for a while.

I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and

quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care

transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses

(CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in

an ED and ICU setting.

The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing.

I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted

medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

From: Wesley Ogilvie

Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM

To: paramedicine paramedicine >

Cc: texasems-l texasems-l >

Subject: &

A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one

of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing

nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances.

Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any

outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS

plays in providing emergency medical care?

Just wondering,

-Wes Ogilvie

-Austin, Texas

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[Guest guest]

I used the term misleading

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the original author.

In a message dated 12/26/2010 4:28:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,

wes.ogilvie@... writes:

Rick,

I never said misleading. What I did ask about was reminding &

of the primary role that EMS plays in prehospital care.

I've got zero problem with recruiting nurses. I just think it's a bit

confusing to the public to expect a nurse to show up everytime you call 911 for

an ambulance. I thought they got rid of that requirement after the pilot

episode of Emergency.

Wes Ogilvie

Sent from my iPhone

> I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing

displeasure and they were pulled for a while.

> I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services

and quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical

care transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses

(CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing

in an ED and ICU setting.

> The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in

nursing.

> I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted

medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work.

>

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> From: Wesley Ogilvie

> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM

> To: paramedicine paramedicine >

> Cc: texasems-l texasems-l >

> Subject: &

>

>

>

> A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one

of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing

nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances.

Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any

outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS

plays in providing emergency medical care?

>

> Just wondering,

> -Wes Ogilvie

> -Austin, Texas

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

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My objection to it is that it gives the impression that nurses are the

primary EMS caregivers, which they are not. It also reminds me that in lots

of systems, its nurses, not paramedics, who run the hospital end of EMS, and

I do have a problem with that. I recognize that there are nurses in EMS,

most of the active ones paramedics as well, but some not, and that there

is a role for them, but it's not the primary role any more than the primary

role of the paramedic is in the ER or in the ICU.

I have no problem with J&J attempting to recruit more folks into nursing,

but why don't they depict nursing for what 99% of it is rather than an

exotic permutation that is relatively rarely seen.

And why doesn't J&J help us recruit good folks into EMS as a profession?

After all, EMS buys a ton of their products.

GG

In a message dated 12/26/2010 8:34:57 P.M. Central Standard Time,

rick.moore@... writes:

Well that's too bad. As I said earlier, I would not be offended with a

commercial that depicted medics working in the ED because they do and in the

ED's that I am familiar with they are respected and appreciated. I can't

understand being offended with a depiction of a transport nurse. EMS, nursing,

and all allied health professions have a place and impact the health care

we all need. Its time to quit being offended by each other and work

together.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

From: _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...)

[mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) ]

Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 08:17 PM

To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) >

Subject: Re: &

Rick maybe you should ask the Non Nurse medics you know how they feel?

Most

that I know are offended.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...)

(Cell Phone)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

only

for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the

public

domain by the original author.

In a message dated 12/26/2010 6:13:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,

_rick.moore@..._ (mailto:rick.moore@...)

writes:

Wes,

I was responding mostly to Louis who said it was mis-leading. I am not

sure the general public is watching the commercial and believing that when

they dial 911 that a nurse will respond.

I do believe that EMS and nursing need to play well with each other and

having EMS criticize the J&J spot is a little petty. Again they didn't

show

nurses working in any areas that they don't.

As a nurse I appreciate the ad and as a medic I am not offended.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

From: Wes Ogilvie [mailto:_wes.ogilvie@..._ (mailto:wes.ogilvie@...)

]

Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 04:27 PM

To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

_texasems-l _

(mailto:texasems-l ) >

Subject: Re: &

Rick,

I never said misleading. What I did ask about was reminding &

of the primary role that EMS plays in prehospital care.

I've got zero problem with recruiting nurses. I just think it's a bit

confusing to the public to expect a nurse to show up everytime you call

911 for

an ambulance. I thought they got rid of that requirement after the pilot

episode of Emergency.

Wes Ogilvie

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 26, 2010, at 16:21,

_rick.moore@..._ (mailto:rick.moore@...)

wrote:

> I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing

displeasure and they were pulled for a while.

> I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services

and quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical

care transport. There is even a national certification for transport

nurses

(CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing

in an ED and ICU setting.

> The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in

nursing.

> I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted

medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work.

>

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> From: Wesley Ogilvie

[mailto:_wes.ogilvie@..._ (mailto:wes.ogilvie@...)

]

> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM

> To: _paramedicine _ (mailto:paramedicine )

_paramedicine _ (mailto:paramedicine )

>

> Cc: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

>

> Subject: &

>

>

>

> A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one

of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing

nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances.

Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did

any

outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS

plays in providing emergency medical care?

>

> Just wondering,

> -Wes Ogilvie

> -Austin, Texas

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

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