Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Which means she knows her boundaries and capabilities. I am guessing had she been the only caregiver on scene she would have stepped up until medics arrived. From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of McGee Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 9:48 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: & Not to be contrary, but I have seen several MVA where nurses in scrubs where standing on the sidelines. On one occasion, the nurse was a good friend. When I asked later after the call was finished why she didn't come help, she told me that she was an OB nurse and wouldn't know what to do. Sent from my iPhone McGee, EMT-P On Dec 26, 2010, at 6:16 PM, rick.moore@...> wrote: > Louis, > The depiction in the commercial is of an off-duty nurse coming up on a crash in a rural setting. While I agree it's not an everyday situation it does happen. I have stopped at more than one crash scene while wearing scrubs and I would hope that any nurse coming across the situation would do the same. > > Rick > Sent via Blackberry > > From: lnmolino@... > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 04:35 PM > To: texasems-l texasems-l > > Subject: Re: & > > > > How often does and RN run up to a live MVC in the middle of the road alone > wearing scrubs? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant > > LNMolino@... > > (Cell Phone) > (Office) > (Office Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and > the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only > for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential > materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public > domain by the original author. > > In a message dated 12/26/2010 4:22:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, > rick.moore@... writes: > > I believe that NAEMT sent a letter to and expressing > displeasure and they were pulled for a while. > I don't agree that the spots are mis-leading because most air services and > quite a few of the larger ground services are using RN's for critical care > transport. There is even a national certification for transport nurses > (CTRN) and the CFRN for flight nurses. The spots also show bedside nursing in > an ED and ICU setting. > The purpose of the ads are to interest young people in a career in nursing. > I certainly would not object to an ad for recruiting EMS that depicted > medics in the ED since that is an area that medics work. > > Rick > Sent via Blackberry > > From: Wesley Ogilvie [mailto:wes.ogilvie@... ] > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 01:45 PM > To: paramedicine paramedicine > > Cc: texasems-l texasems-l > > Subject: & > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one > of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing > nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. > Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any > outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS > plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 I fired off the email that started the discussion last time. I still do not feel the commercial depicted nursing in true form and showed glory scenes few nurses experience. If you look at numbers, most nurses work in controlled environments (hosp, clinic, surg center, other clinical areas etc) and most EMTs work in the field (out of hospital and less controlled). There are exceptions both ways, but that is the exception, not the rule. I think we try to compare apples to oranges sometime and that will not work. Putting oranges in an apple box, as this commercial does, is a disservice to both professions. I have had the pleasure of working with great nurses and EMS personnel in my 30+ year career. Part of what makes these people great is the respect shown each other. I have also had the misfortune of working with the misfits of each profession, thankfully the latter don’t last long. I am sure this thread can rage on and points can be made to support each cause. As for this seasoned Paramedic, I have decided to grin and turn away from the J&J commercial so the family does not have to hear my comments ..... again. A nice thing is that we can each take our opinion and a buck thirty five and get a bad cup of coffee as we read these posts. , Director Seminole EMS From: Wesley Ogilvie Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:45 PM To: paramedicine Cc: texasems-l Subject: & A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? Just wondering, -Wes Ogilvie -Austin, Texas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Where do you find coffee for $1.35 these days? From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:29 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: & I fired off the email that started the discussion last time. I still do not feel the commercial depicted nursing in true form and showed glory scenes few nurses experience. If you look at numbers, most nurses work in controlled environments (hosp, clinic, surg center, other clinical areas etc) and most EMTs work in the field (out of hospital and less controlled). There are exceptions both ways, but that is the exception, not the rule. I think we try to compare apples to oranges sometime and that will not work. Putting oranges in an apple box, as this commercial does, is a disservice to both professions. I have had the pleasure of working with great nurses and EMS personnel in my 30+ year career. Part of what makes these people great is the respect shown each other. I have also had the misfortune of working with the misfits of each profession, thankfully the latter don’t last long. I am sure this thread can rage on and points can be made to support each cause. As for this seasoned Paramedic, I have decided to grin and turn away from the J&J commercial so the family does not have to hear my comments ..... again. A nice thing is that we can each take our opinion and a buck thirty five and get a bad cup of coffee as we read these posts. , Director Seminole EMS From: Wesley Ogilvie Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:45 PM To: paramedicine Cc: texasems-l Subject: & A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? Just wondering, -Wes Ogilvie -Austin, Texas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Where do you find coffee for $1.35 these days? From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:29 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: & I fired off the email that started the discussion last time. I still do not feel the commercial depicted nursing in true form and showed glory scenes few nurses experience. If you look at numbers, most nurses work in controlled environments (hosp, clinic, surg center, other clinical areas etc) and most EMTs work in the field (out of hospital and less controlled). There are exceptions both ways, but that is the exception, not the rule. I think we try to compare apples to oranges sometime and that will not work. Putting oranges in an apple box, as this commercial does, is a disservice to both professions. I have had the pleasure of working with great nurses and EMS personnel in my 30+ year career. Part of what makes these people great is the respect shown each other. I have also had the misfortune of working with the misfits of each profession, thankfully the latter don’t last long. I am sure this thread can rage on and points can be made to support each cause. As for this seasoned Paramedic, I have decided to grin and turn away from the J&J commercial so the family does not have to hear my comments ..... again. A nice thing is that we can each take our opinion and a buck thirty five and get a bad cup of coffee as we read these posts. , Director Seminole EMS From: Wesley Ogilvie Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:45 PM To: paramedicine Cc: texasems-l Subject: & A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? Just wondering, -Wes Ogilvie -Austin, Texas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 hahahaha, point taken, guess I will have to come of age, but opinion and four thirty five just does not sound right. Drop by the station and we will give you a cup of really bad coffee. From: rick.moore@... Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:32 PM To: texasems-l Subject: RE: & Where do you find coffee for $1.35 these days? From: mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:29 PM To: mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: & I fired off the email that started the discussion last time. I still do not feel the commercial depicted nursing in true form and showed glory scenes few nurses experience. If you look at numbers, most nurses work in controlled environments (hosp, clinic, surg center, other clinical areas etc) and most EMTs work in the field (out of hospital and less controlled). There are exceptions both ways, but that is the exception, not the rule. I think we try to compare apples to oranges sometime and that will not work. Putting oranges in an apple box, as this commercial does, is a disservice to both professions. I have had the pleasure of working with great nurses and EMS personnel in my 30+ year career. Part of what makes these people great is the respect shown each other. I have also had the misfortune of working with the misfits of each profession, thankfully the latter don’t last long. I am sure this thread can rage on and points can be made to support each cause. As for this seasoned Paramedic, I have decided to grin and turn away from the J&J commercial so the family does not have to hear my comments ..... again. A nice thing is that we can each take our opinion and a buck thirty five and get a bad cup of coffee as we read these posts. , Director Seminole EMS From: Wesley Ogilvie Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:45 PM To: mailto:paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com Cc: mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com Subject: & A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? Just wondering, -Wes Ogilvie -Austin, Texas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 and the third question that your students should ask (after confirming Scene Safety and BSI) should be: " What is this patient's code/living will status? " I'll bet that fewer than one in three remember it.... ck In a message dated 12/27/10 19:29:18 Central Standard Time, wegandy@... writes: I make my students do dialysis code after dialysis code. They begin to get the picture that lots can go wrong with dialysis patients. Same with the NH patient with diabetes, CHF, COPD, who is a hemiplegic post CVA with a 10 cm decubitus on her butt and septic. Fun is where you find it. GG & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Les wake up you're daydreaming again. When you start a paragraph with " If EMS would unite " you've already answered your own question. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... > If EMS would unite like other industries and stop buying anything with > J&J on it, they might get the message.....stop talking and take action, > hit them where it hurts! > > > > > > Les > NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF > > > Post Office Box 656 - Geismar, LA 70734-0656 > Telephone: E-Mail: MedicLes6@... > > " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " - > Abraham Lincoln > > " EMS does not save lives. God does! Our job is to entertain the patient > until He makes up his mind. " - Dr. Red Duke > > > > The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended > only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and > may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, > retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action > in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the > intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you received this in error, > please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer, > disk drive, diskette, or other storage device or media. > > ________________________________ > > > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On > Behalf Of rick.moore@... > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 13:33 > To: texasems-l > Subject: RE: & > > > > > > Where do you find coffee for $1.35 these days? > > From: texasems-l > [mailto:texasems-l > ] On Behalf Of > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:29 PM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: & > > > > I fired off the email that started the discussion last time. I still do > not feel the commercial depicted nursing in true form and showed glory > scenes few nurses experience. If you look at numbers, most nurses work > in controlled environments (hosp, clinic, surg center, other clinical > areas etc) and most EMTs work in the field (out of hospital and less > controlled). There are exceptions both ways, but that is the exception, > not the rule. I think we try to compare apples to oranges sometime and > that will not work. Putting oranges in an apple box, as this commercial > does, is a disservice to both professions. > > I have had the pleasure of working with great nurses and EMS personnel > in my 30+ year career. Part of what makes these people great is the > respect shown each other. I have also had the misfortune of working with > the misfits of each profession, thankfully the latter don't last long. > > I am sure this thread can rage on and points can be made to support each > cause. As for this seasoned Paramedic, I have decided to grin and turn > away from the J&J commercial so the family does not have to hear my > comments ..... again. > > A nice thing is that we can each take our opinion and a buck thirty five > and get a bad cup of coffee as we read these posts. > > , Director > Seminole EMS > > From: Wesley Ogilvie > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:45 PM > To: paramedicine > > Cc: texasems-l > > Subject: & > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one > of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing > nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and > ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS > advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of > the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Les wake up you're daydreaming again. When you start a paragraph with " If EMS would unite " you've already answered your own question. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... > If EMS would unite like other industries and stop buying anything with > J&J on it, they might get the message.....stop talking and take action, > hit them where it hurts! > > > > > > Les > NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF > > > Post Office Box 656 - Geismar, LA 70734-0656 > Telephone: E-Mail: MedicLes6@... > > " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " - > Abraham Lincoln > > " EMS does not save lives. God does! Our job is to entertain the patient > until He makes up his mind. " - Dr. Red Duke > > > > The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended > only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and > may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, > retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action > in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the > intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you received this in error, > please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer, > disk drive, diskette, or other storage device or media. > > ________________________________ > > > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On > Behalf Of rick.moore@... > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 13:33 > To: texasems-l > Subject: RE: & > > > > > > Where do you find coffee for $1.35 these days? > > From: texasems-l > [mailto:texasems-l > ] On Behalf Of > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:29 PM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: & > > > > I fired off the email that started the discussion last time. I still do > not feel the commercial depicted nursing in true form and showed glory > scenes few nurses experience. If you look at numbers, most nurses work > in controlled environments (hosp, clinic, surg center, other clinical > areas etc) and most EMTs work in the field (out of hospital and less > controlled). There are exceptions both ways, but that is the exception, > not the rule. I think we try to compare apples to oranges sometime and > that will not work. Putting oranges in an apple box, as this commercial > does, is a disservice to both professions. > > I have had the pleasure of working with great nurses and EMS personnel > in my 30+ year career. Part of what makes these people great is the > respect shown each other. I have also had the misfortune of working with > the misfits of each profession, thankfully the latter don't last long. > > I am sure this thread can rage on and points can be made to support each > cause. As for this seasoned Paramedic, I have decided to grin and turn > away from the J&J commercial so the family does not have to hear my > comments ..... again. > > A nice thing is that we can each take our opinion and a buck thirty five > and get a bad cup of coffee as we read these posts. > > , Director > Seminole EMS > > From: Wesley Ogilvie > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:45 PM > To: paramedicine > > Cc: texasems-l > > Subject: & > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one > of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing > nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and > ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS > advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of > the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 It's a joke Lou... Humor...EMS Orginize???... we have been there! ________________________________ From: Paramedicine [mailto:Paramedicine ] On Behalf Of Louis N. Molino, Sr. Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 15:50 To: Paramedicine Cc: Texas EMS List Subject: Re: & Les wake up you're daydreaming again. When you start a paragraph with " If EMS would unite " you've already answered your own question. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Dec 27, 2010, at 15:18, " , Les " lpowell@... > wrote: > If EMS would unite like other industries and stop buying anything with > J&J on it, they might get the message.....stop talking and take action, > hit them where it hurts! > > > > > > Les > NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF > > > Post Office Box 656 - Geismar, LA 70734-0656 > Telephone: E-Mail: MedicLes6@... > > " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " - > Abraham Lincoln > > " EMS does not save lives. God does! Our job is to entertain the patient > until He makes up his mind. " - Dr. Red Duke > > > > The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended > only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and > may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, > retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action > in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the > intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you received this in error, > please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer, > disk drive, diskette, or other storage device or media. > > ________________________________ > > > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On > Behalf Of rick.moore@... > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 13:33 > To: texasems-l > Subject: RE: & > > > > > > Where do you find coffee for $1.35 these days? > > From: texasems-l > [mailto:texasems-l > ] On Behalf Of > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:29 PM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: & > > > > I fired off the email that started the discussion last time. I still do > not feel the commercial depicted nursing in true form and showed glory > scenes few nurses experience. If you look at numbers, most nurses work > in controlled environments (hosp, clinic, surg center, other clinical > areas etc) and most EMTs work in the field (out of hospital and less > controlled). There are exceptions both ways, but that is the exception, > not the rule. I think we try to compare apples to oranges sometime and > that will not work. Putting oranges in an apple box, as this commercial > does, is a disservice to both professions. > > I have had the pleasure of working with great nurses and EMS personnel > in my 30+ year career. Part of what makes these people great is the > respect shown each other. I have also had the misfortune of working with > the misfits of each profession, thankfully the latter don't last long. > > I am sure this thread can rage on and points can be made to support each > cause. As for this seasoned Paramedic, I have decided to grin and turn > away from the J&J commercial so the family does not have to hear my > comments ..... again. > > A nice thing is that we can each take our opinion and a buck thirty five > and get a bad cup of coffee as we read these posts. > > , Director > Seminole EMS > > From: Wesley Ogilvie > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:45 PM > To: paramedicine > > Cc: texasems-l > > Subject: & > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one > of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing > nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and > ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS > advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of > the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 It's a joke Lou... Humor...EMS Orginize???... we have been there! ________________________________ From: Paramedicine [mailto:Paramedicine ] On Behalf Of Louis N. Molino, Sr. Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 15:50 To: Paramedicine Cc: Texas EMS List Subject: Re: & Les wake up you're daydreaming again. When you start a paragraph with " If EMS would unite " you've already answered your own question. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Dec 27, 2010, at 15:18, " , Les " lpowell@... > wrote: > If EMS would unite like other industries and stop buying anything with > J&J on it, they might get the message.....stop talking and take action, > hit them where it hurts! > > > > > > Les > NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF > > > Post Office Box 656 - Geismar, LA 70734-0656 > Telephone: E-Mail: MedicLes6@... > > " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " - > Abraham Lincoln > > " EMS does not save lives. God does! Our job is to entertain the patient > until He makes up his mind. " - Dr. Red Duke > > > > The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended > only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and > may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, > retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action > in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the > intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you received this in error, > please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer, > disk drive, diskette, or other storage device or media. > > ________________________________ > > > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On > Behalf Of rick.moore@... > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 13:33 > To: texasems-l > Subject: RE: & > > > > > > Where do you find coffee for $1.35 these days? > > From: texasems-l > [mailto:texasems-l > ] On Behalf Of > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:29 PM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: & > > > > I fired off the email that started the discussion last time. I still do > not feel the commercial depicted nursing in true form and showed glory > scenes few nurses experience. If you look at numbers, most nurses work > in controlled environments (hosp, clinic, surg center, other clinical > areas etc) and most EMTs work in the field (out of hospital and less > controlled). There are exceptions both ways, but that is the exception, > not the rule. I think we try to compare apples to oranges sometime and > that will not work. Putting oranges in an apple box, as this commercial > does, is a disservice to both professions. > > I have had the pleasure of working with great nurses and EMS personnel > in my 30+ year career. Part of what makes these people great is the > respect shown each other. I have also had the misfortune of working with > the misfits of each profession, thankfully the latter don't last long. > > I am sure this thread can rage on and points can be made to support each > cause. As for this seasoned Paramedic, I have decided to grin and turn > away from the J&J commercial so the family does not have to hear my > comments ..... again. > > A nice thing is that we can each take our opinion and a buck thirty five > and get a bad cup of coffee as we read these posts. > > , Director > Seminole EMS > > From: Wesley Ogilvie > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:45 PM > To: paramedicine > > Cc: texasems-l > > Subject: & > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one > of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing > nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and > ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS > advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of > the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 True it is a joke and yet sad all in one but I do get it. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... > It's a joke Lou... Humor...EMS Orginize???... we have been there! > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Paramedicine [mailto:Paramedicine ] > On Behalf Of Louis N. Molino, Sr. > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 15:50 > To: Paramedicine > Cc: Texas EMS List > Subject: Re: & > > > > > > Les wake up you're daydreaming again. > > When you start a paragraph with " If EMS would unite " you've already > answered your own question. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > On Dec 27, 2010, at 15:18, " , Les " lpowell@... > > wrote: > >> If EMS would unite like other industries and stop buying anything with >> J&J on it, they might get the message.....stop talking and take > action, >> hit them where it hurts! >> >> >> >> >> >> Les >> NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF >> >> >> Post Office Box 656 - Geismar, LA 70734-0656 >> Telephone: E-Mail: MedicLes6@... > >> >> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " > - >> Abraham Lincoln >> >> " EMS does not save lives. God does! Our job is to entertain the > patient >> until He makes up his mind. " - Dr. Red Duke >> >> >> >> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the >> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is > intended >> only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and >> may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, >> retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action >> in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than > the >> intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you received this in error, >> please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer, >> disk drive, diskette, or other storage device or media. >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> From: texasems-l > [mailto:texasems-l > ] On >> Behalf Of rick.moore@... >> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 13:33 >> To: texasems-l >> Subject: RE: & >> >> >> >> >> >> Where do you find coffee for $1.35 these days? >> >> From: texasems-l > >> [mailto:texasems-l > > >> ] On Behalf Of >> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:29 PM >> To: texasems-l > >> Subject: Re: & >> >> >> >> I fired off the email that started the discussion last time. I still > do >> not feel the commercial depicted nursing in true form and showed glory >> scenes few nurses experience. If you look at numbers, most nurses work >> in controlled environments (hosp, clinic, surg center, other clinical >> areas etc) and most EMTs work in the field (out of hospital and less >> controlled). There are exceptions both ways, but that is the > exception, >> not the rule. I think we try to compare apples to oranges sometime and >> that will not work. Putting oranges in an apple box, as this > commercial >> does, is a disservice to both professions. >> >> I have had the pleasure of working with great nurses and EMS personnel >> in my 30+ year career. Part of what makes these people great is the >> respect shown each other. I have also had the misfortune of working > with >> the misfits of each profession, thankfully the latter don't last long. > >> >> I am sure this thread can rage on and points can be made to support > each >> cause. As for this seasoned Paramedic, I have decided to grin and turn >> away from the J&J commercial so the family does not have to hear my >> comments ..... again. >> >> A nice thing is that we can each take our opinion and a buck thirty > five >> and get a bad cup of coffee as we read these posts. >> >> , Director >> Seminole EMS >> >> From: Wesley Ogilvie >> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:45 PM >> To: paramedicine > > >> >> Cc: texasems-l > >> >> Subject: & >> >> A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on > one >> of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials > showing >> nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and >> ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS >> advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them > of >> the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? >> >> Just wondering, >> -Wes Ogilvie >> -Austin, Texas >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 True it is a joke and yet sad all in one but I do get it. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... > It's a joke Lou... Humor...EMS Orginize???... we have been there! > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Paramedicine [mailto:Paramedicine ] > On Behalf Of Louis N. Molino, Sr. > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 15:50 > To: Paramedicine > Cc: Texas EMS List > Subject: Re: & > > > > > > Les wake up you're daydreaming again. > > When you start a paragraph with " If EMS would unite " you've already > answered your own question. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > On Dec 27, 2010, at 15:18, " , Les " lpowell@... > > wrote: > >> If EMS would unite like other industries and stop buying anything with >> J&J on it, they might get the message.....stop talking and take > action, >> hit them where it hurts! >> >> >> >> >> >> Les >> NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF >> >> >> Post Office Box 656 - Geismar, LA 70734-0656 >> Telephone: E-Mail: MedicLes6@... > >> >> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " > - >> Abraham Lincoln >> >> " EMS does not save lives. God does! Our job is to entertain the > patient >> until He makes up his mind. " - Dr. Red Duke >> >> >> >> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the >> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is > intended >> only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and >> may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, >> retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action >> in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than > the >> intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you received this in error, >> please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer, >> disk drive, diskette, or other storage device or media. >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> >> From: texasems-l > [mailto:texasems-l > ] On >> Behalf Of rick.moore@... >> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 13:33 >> To: texasems-l >> Subject: RE: & >> >> >> >> >> >> Where do you find coffee for $1.35 these days? >> >> From: texasems-l > >> [mailto:texasems-l > > >> ] On Behalf Of >> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:29 PM >> To: texasems-l > >> Subject: Re: & >> >> >> >> I fired off the email that started the discussion last time. I still > do >> not feel the commercial depicted nursing in true form and showed glory >> scenes few nurses experience. If you look at numbers, most nurses work >> in controlled environments (hosp, clinic, surg center, other clinical >> areas etc) and most EMTs work in the field (out of hospital and less >> controlled). There are exceptions both ways, but that is the > exception, >> not the rule. I think we try to compare apples to oranges sometime and >> that will not work. Putting oranges in an apple box, as this > commercial >> does, is a disservice to both professions. >> >> I have had the pleasure of working with great nurses and EMS personnel >> in my 30+ year career. Part of what makes these people great is the >> respect shown each other. I have also had the misfortune of working > with >> the misfits of each profession, thankfully the latter don't last long. > >> >> I am sure this thread can rage on and points can be made to support > each >> cause. As for this seasoned Paramedic, I have decided to grin and turn >> away from the J&J commercial so the family does not have to hear my >> comments ..... again. >> >> A nice thing is that we can each take our opinion and a buck thirty > five >> and get a bad cup of coffee as we read these posts. >> >> , Director >> Seminole EMS >> >> From: Wesley Ogilvie >> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:45 PM >> To: paramedicine > > >> >> Cc: texasems-l > >> >> Subject: & >> >> A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on > one >> of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials > showing >> nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and >> ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS >> advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them > of >> the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? >> >> Just wondering, >> -Wes Ogilvie >> -Austin, Texas >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 I make my students do dialysis code after dialysis code. They begin to get the picture that lots can go wrong with dialysis patients. Same with the NH patient with diabetes, CHF, COPD, who is a hemiplegic post CVA with a 10 cm decubitus on her butt and septic. Fun is where you find it. GG & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 I make my students do dialysis code after dialysis code. They begin to get the picture that lots can go wrong with dialysis patients. Same with the NH patient with diabetes, CHF, COPD, who is a hemiplegic post CVA with a 10 cm decubitus on her butt and septic. Fun is where you find it. GG & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 I make my students do dialysis code after dialysis code. They begin to get the picture that lots can go wrong with dialysis patients. Same with the NH patient with diabetes, CHF, COPD, who is a hemiplegic post CVA with a 10 cm decubitus on her butt and septic. Fun is where you find it. GG & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 I pound it into them as hard as I can! Most of them now automatically do it just like they get a BGL on everyone that's not immediately trying to die. Amazing what repetition can do. I will emphasize it again on tomorrow's chat. GG & > > > > A while back, I think I might have remembered a discussion thread on one of these lists about & 's pro-nursing commercials showing nurses performing EMS duties and roles on accident scenes and ambulances. Does anyone remember if NAEMT or one of the other EMS advocacy groups did any outreach to & to remind them of the primary role that EMS plays in providing emergency medical care? > > Just wondering, > -Wes Ogilvie > -Austin, Texas > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 I agree with you....don't think it shows that to the general public. I haven't seen it yet, but have been reading. On an Ambulance, the general public doesn't know the difference between an ECA and a physician....or an actor.We are ALL doctors, nurses and Paramedics to them. That has been my experience. Like I said, I have not seen this commercial, but from what I have read here, it has only made a disruption within inside the medical community. Not with the general public. They would prolly be shocked people in EMS were arguing over something like that. We don't watch TV anymore. I have turned on local TV... once.... since they switched to HDTV. I didn't really get the point system, and it just seemed to be the same 'ol junk, just more channels of it. We just use Internet, for episodes of favorites and rent or buy CD/movies when we want to watch something. Is it on You Tube? Would love to see it before I say any more. Coug. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " Subject: RE: & To: texasems-l Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 7:45 AM  All great points, you are right it may have been better to show a flight nurse, but then I am sure there would have been people offended because it implied that only nurses flew on med evacs. I don’t know maybe I just think differently than the average bear but I can’t be offended about this commercial. It does what it is designed to do and show the variety of the nursing profession and I just can’t buy that because of it the entire world now thinks that EMS professionals are idiots and nurses are the world saviors. Great conversation though! Rick From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of rob.davis@... Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:43 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: & Timely thread! Multiple quotes and comments in-line: I have just started to see this commercial again this week after an absence of a couple of years. Maybe they hoped the furor had died down. I can't imagine that the nursing shortage has gotten any worse, with the economy as it is. More likely, the station was just desperate for something to fill their " public service announcement " requirement, and dusted the cobwebs off the first thing they saw on the shelf. As both a medic and a nurse, I am offended on both levels. As a medic, I am offended that nursing is presented in the role that is our specific turf. As a nurse, I am offended that the producers of the spot feel that my profession is too boring to stand on it's own merits, and thus must spice it up with misleading representations. Yes, both professions can be found in both settings. However, when they use a field setting as HALF of the scenarios in the ad, it is obvious that those who produced it either have a very poor understanding of nursing, or else intentionally set out to mislead the public. It would have been a better commercial, on both a realistic and dramatic level, if they had substituted a helicopter for the ambulance. I suppose that wasn't in the production budget though. Heck, let's show nurses dodging bullets and mortars in Iraq with an M4 on their back. Let's show them doing unsupervised surgery in a dark, olive drab canvas tent. Or, if we want it to be even more realistic, let's show nurses busting the chops of a medic who just brought them a mismanaged patient. Those are all realistic representations of a great many nurses, unlike what is shown in this commercial. Rick.moore@... said: > Would an ad for EMS depict nursing home transfers or dialysis runs? Excellent point! Our EMS educators tend to do a very poor job of representing reality to prospective medics, so I would expect NAEMT or any other advocacy group who produced recruiting ads, to do much the same thing. If there is an educator out there who is being boldly honest with his/her students about what they are really getting into, I'd like to buy him/her dinner. Instead, we get n00bs fresh out of school with overinflated heads, convinced that they are " educated " and " professionals " who are going to save the world with the ABC's, and are too good for dialysis runs. " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> said: > Larger Membership bases seemingly because they give a damn perhaps? Just sayin. Yep. The largest percentage of those who enter EMS have zero intention of ever making it a career. Hell, most of them have zero intention of even making it a job. They're just looking for a hobby, or a ticket-punch for getting hired as a fireman. Who really expects those people to put any money or energy behind furthering the profession? Almost all nursing students have serious intention to make it a lifelong career, excepting, of course, those who intend to quit as soon as they marry a doctor. Plus, it is majority women, which is a downtrodden " minority " , who gets a lot more public and political sympathy than EMS ever will. Witness the recent lack of concern over healthcare for 9/11 responders. It is what it is. Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 27, 2010 " " emsdir@...> said: > I have also had the misfortune of working with the misfits of each > profession, thankfully the latter don’t last long. LOL! You're kidding, right? The Principle was perfected by EMS! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Principle " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> said: > When you start a paragraph with " If EMS would unite " you've already answered your > own question. That's for sure. " EMS unite " is an oxymoron. Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2010 I rarely post on this group but would like to point out that J&J has spent more than $50 million on a multi-year campaign to improve the image of nursing in the US, recruit more nurses to the profession, and help retain those already there. Their support of nursing has been astounding (see: http://campaignfornursing.com/press/files/Campaign_Overview_030107.pdf) and the results impressive. While you might not find the advertsing accurate, what advertising campaign is not embellished by the advertising executives being paid to produce sexy material that pushes a message out? Nurses worldwide owe J&J a tremendous debt of gratitude for the groundswell of positive energy they have created towards the nursing profession. Rather than bash the company for their perceived inaccurate portrayals of nurses, or impingments on our profession, wouldn't it be nice to see a major corporation initiate a like campaing to promote EMS? That would rock. Mike:) Mike McEvoy, PhD, REMT-P, RN, CCRN EMS Coordinator - Saratoga County, NY Prof. Emeritus - Albany Medical College, NY > > From: rick.moore@... > Subject: RE: & > To: texasems-l > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 7:45 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > All great points, you are right it may have been better to show a flight nurse, but then I am sure there would have been people offended because it implied that only nurses flew on med evacs. I don’t know maybe I just think differently than the average bear but I can’t be offended about this commercial. It does what it is designed to do and show the variety of the nursing profession and I just can’t buy that because of it the entire world now thinks that EMS professionals are idiots and nurses are the world saviors. Great conversation though! > > > Rick > > > > > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of rob.davis@... > > > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:43 AM > > > To: texasems-l > > > Subject: Re: & > > > > > > > > > > > > Timely thread! Multiple quotes and comments in-line: > > > > > > I have just started to see this commercial again this week after an absence of a couple of years. Maybe they hoped the furor had died down. I can't imagine that the nursing shortage has gotten any worse, with the economy as it is. More likely, the station was just desperate for something to fill their " public service announcement " requirement, and dusted the cobwebs off the first thing they saw on the shelf. > > > > > > As both a medic and a nurse, I am offended on both levels. As a medic, I am offended that nursing is presented in the role that is our specific turf. As a nurse, I am offended that the producers of the spot feel that my profession is too boring to stand on it's own merits, and thus must spice it up with misleading representations. > > > > > > Yes, both professions can be found in both settings. However, when they use a field setting as HALF of the scenarios in the ad, it is obvious that those who produced it either have a very poor understanding of nursing, or else intentionally set out to mislead the public. > > > > > > It would have been a better commercial, on both a realistic and dramatic level, if they had substituted a helicopter for the ambulance. I suppose that wasn't in the production budget though. > > > > > > Heck, let's show nurses dodging bullets and mortars in Iraq with an M4 on their back. Let's show them doing unsupervised surgery in a dark, olive drab canvas tent. Or, if we want it to be even more realistic, let's show nurses busting the chops of a medic who just brought them a mismanaged patient. Those are all realistic representations of a great many nurses, unlike what is shown in this commercial. > > > > > > Rick.moore@... said: > > > > > > > Would an ad for EMS depict nursing home transfers or dialysis runs? > > > > > > Excellent point! Our EMS educators tend to do a very poor job of representing reality to prospective medics, so I would expect NAEMT or any other advocacy group who produced recruiting ads, to do much the same thing. If there is an educator out there who is being boldly honest with his/her students about what they are really getting into, I'd like to buy him/her dinner. Instead, we get n00bs fresh out of school with overinflated heads, convinced that they are " educated " and " professionals " who are going to save the world with the ABC's, and are too good for dialysis runs. > > > > > > " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " > said: > > > > > > > Larger Membership bases seemingly because they give a damn perhaps? Just sayin. > > > > > > Yep. The largest percentage of those who enter EMS have zero intention of ever making it a career. Hell, most of them have zero intention of even making it a job. They're just looking for a hobby, or a ticket-punch for getting hired as a fireman. Who really expects those people to put any money or energy behind furthering the profession? > > > > > > Almost all nursing students have serious intention to make it a lifelong career, excepting, of course, those who intend to quit as soon as they marry a doctor. Plus, it is majority women, which is a downtrodden " minority " , who gets a lot more public and political sympathy than EMS ever will. Witness the recent lack of concern over healthcare for 9/11 responders. > > > > > > It is what it is. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2010 I rarely post on this group but would like to point out that J&J has spent more than $50 million on a multi-year campaign to improve the image of nursing in the US, recruit more nurses to the profession, and help retain those already there. Their support of nursing has been astounding (see: http://campaignfornursing.com/press/files/Campaign_Overview_030107.pdf) and the results impressive. While you might not find the advertsing accurate, what advertising campaign is not embellished by the advertising executives being paid to produce sexy material that pushes a message out? Nurses worldwide owe J&J a tremendous debt of gratitude for the groundswell of positive energy they have created towards the nursing profession. Rather than bash the company for their perceived inaccurate portrayals of nurses, or impingments on our profession, wouldn't it be nice to see a major corporation initiate a like campaing to promote EMS? That would rock. Mike:) Mike McEvoy, PhD, REMT-P, RN, CCRN EMS Coordinator - Saratoga County, NY Prof. Emeritus - Albany Medical College, NY > > From: rick.moore@... > Subject: RE: & > To: texasems-l > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 7:45 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > All great points, you are right it may have been better to show a flight nurse, but then I am sure there would have been people offended because it implied that only nurses flew on med evacs. I don’t know maybe I just think differently than the average bear but I can’t be offended about this commercial. It does what it is designed to do and show the variety of the nursing profession and I just can’t buy that because of it the entire world now thinks that EMS professionals are idiots and nurses are the world saviors. Great conversation though! > > > Rick > > > > > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of rob.davis@... > > > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:43 AM > > > To: texasems-l > > > Subject: Re: & > > > > > > > > > > > > Timely thread! Multiple quotes and comments in-line: > > > > > > I have just started to see this commercial again this week after an absence of a couple of years. Maybe they hoped the furor had died down. I can't imagine that the nursing shortage has gotten any worse, with the economy as it is. More likely, the station was just desperate for something to fill their " public service announcement " requirement, and dusted the cobwebs off the first thing they saw on the shelf. > > > > > > As both a medic and a nurse, I am offended on both levels. As a medic, I am offended that nursing is presented in the role that is our specific turf. As a nurse, I am offended that the producers of the spot feel that my profession is too boring to stand on it's own merits, and thus must spice it up with misleading representations. > > > > > > Yes, both professions can be found in both settings. However, when they use a field setting as HALF of the scenarios in the ad, it is obvious that those who produced it either have a very poor understanding of nursing, or else intentionally set out to mislead the public. > > > > > > It would have been a better commercial, on both a realistic and dramatic level, if they had substituted a helicopter for the ambulance. I suppose that wasn't in the production budget though. > > > > > > Heck, let's show nurses dodging bullets and mortars in Iraq with an M4 on their back. Let's show them doing unsupervised surgery in a dark, olive drab canvas tent. Or, if we want it to be even more realistic, let's show nurses busting the chops of a medic who just brought them a mismanaged patient. Those are all realistic representations of a great many nurses, unlike what is shown in this commercial. > > > > > > Rick.moore@... said: > > > > > > > Would an ad for EMS depict nursing home transfers or dialysis runs? > > > > > > Excellent point! Our EMS educators tend to do a very poor job of representing reality to prospective medics, so I would expect NAEMT or any other advocacy group who produced recruiting ads, to do much the same thing. If there is an educator out there who is being boldly honest with his/her students about what they are really getting into, I'd like to buy him/her dinner. Instead, we get n00bs fresh out of school with overinflated heads, convinced that they are " educated " and " professionals " who are going to save the world with the ABC's, and are too good for dialysis runs. > > > > > > " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " > said: > > > > > > > Larger Membership bases seemingly because they give a damn perhaps? Just sayin. > > > > > > Yep. The largest percentage of those who enter EMS have zero intention of ever making it a career. Hell, most of them have zero intention of even making it a job. They're just looking for a hobby, or a ticket-punch for getting hired as a fireman. Who really expects those people to put any money or energy behind furthering the profession? > > > > > > Almost all nursing students have serious intention to make it a lifelong career, excepting, of course, those who intend to quit as soon as they marry a doctor. Plus, it is majority women, which is a downtrodden " minority " , who gets a lot more public and political sympathy than EMS ever will. Witness the recent lack of concern over healthcare for 9/11 responders. > > > > > > It is what it is. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2010 I rarely post on this group but would like to point out that J&J has spent more than $50 million on a multi-year campaign to improve the image of nursing in the US, recruit more nurses to the profession, and help retain those already there. Their support of nursing has been astounding (see: http://campaignfornursing.com/press/files/Campaign_Overview_030107.pdf) and the results impressive. While you might not find the advertsing accurate, what advertising campaign is not embellished by the advertising executives being paid to produce sexy material that pushes a message out? Nurses worldwide owe J&J a tremendous debt of gratitude for the groundswell of positive energy they have created towards the nursing profession. Rather than bash the company for their perceived inaccurate portrayals of nurses, or impingments on our profession, wouldn't it be nice to see a major corporation initiate a like campaing to promote EMS? That would rock. Mike:) Mike McEvoy, PhD, REMT-P, RN, CCRN EMS Coordinator - Saratoga County, NY Prof. Emeritus - Albany Medical College, NY > > From: rick.moore@... > Subject: RE: & > To: texasems-l > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 7:45 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > All great points, you are right it may have been better to show a flight nurse, but then I am sure there would have been people offended because it implied that only nurses flew on med evacs. I don’t know maybe I just think differently than the average bear but I can’t be offended about this commercial. It does what it is designed to do and show the variety of the nursing profession and I just can’t buy that because of it the entire world now thinks that EMS professionals are idiots and nurses are the world saviors. Great conversation though! > > > Rick > > > > > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of rob.davis@... > > > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 1:43 AM > > > To: texasems-l > > > Subject: Re: & > > > > > > > > > > > > Timely thread! Multiple quotes and comments in-line: > > > > > > I have just started to see this commercial again this week after an absence of a couple of years. Maybe they hoped the furor had died down. I can't imagine that the nursing shortage has gotten any worse, with the economy as it is. More likely, the station was just desperate for something to fill their " public service announcement " requirement, and dusted the cobwebs off the first thing they saw on the shelf. > > > > > > As both a medic and a nurse, I am offended on both levels. As a medic, I am offended that nursing is presented in the role that is our specific turf. As a nurse, I am offended that the producers of the spot feel that my profession is too boring to stand on it's own merits, and thus must spice it up with misleading representations. > > > > > > Yes, both professions can be found in both settings. However, when they use a field setting as HALF of the scenarios in the ad, it is obvious that those who produced it either have a very poor understanding of nursing, or else intentionally set out to mislead the public. > > > > > > It would have been a better commercial, on both a realistic and dramatic level, if they had substituted a helicopter for the ambulance. I suppose that wasn't in the production budget though. > > > > > > Heck, let's show nurses dodging bullets and mortars in Iraq with an M4 on their back. Let's show them doing unsupervised surgery in a dark, olive drab canvas tent. Or, if we want it to be even more realistic, let's show nurses busting the chops of a medic who just brought them a mismanaged patient. Those are all realistic representations of a great many nurses, unlike what is shown in this commercial. > > > > > > Rick.moore@... said: > > > > > > > Would an ad for EMS depict nursing home transfers or dialysis runs? > > > > > > Excellent point! Our EMS educators tend to do a very poor job of representing reality to prospective medics, so I would expect NAEMT or any other advocacy group who produced recruiting ads, to do much the same thing. If there is an educator out there who is being boldly honest with his/her students about what they are really getting into, I'd like to buy him/her dinner. Instead, we get n00bs fresh out of school with overinflated heads, convinced that they are " educated " and " professionals " who are going to save the world with the ABC's, and are too good for dialysis runs. > > > > > > " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " > said: > > > > > > > Larger Membership bases seemingly because they give a damn perhaps? Just sayin. > > > > > > Yep. The largest percentage of those who enter EMS have zero intention of ever making it a career. Hell, most of them have zero intention of even making it a job. They're just looking for a hobby, or a ticket-punch for getting hired as a fireman. Who really expects those people to put any money or energy behind furthering the profession? > > > > > > Almost all nursing students have serious intention to make it a lifelong career, excepting, of course, those who intend to quit as soon as they marry a doctor. Plus, it is majority women, which is a downtrodden " minority " , who gets a lot more public and political sympathy than EMS ever will. Witness the recent lack of concern over healthcare for 9/11 responders. > > > > > > It is what it is. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
