Chelation

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Please do NOT give them that high a dose. Please read the FAQs of this list and

educate yourself about Andy's protocol if you want your children to get better

instead of worse.

S S

Re: chelation

Posted by: " April Hornung " ape0522@... ape0522

Sun Sep 7, 2008 6:40 pm (PDT)

My 3 year old twins start next week on 100 mg. They are only 35 pounds.

April

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>

> Thanks Dana, I did not know you were in this group as well, I was

elated when I saw you answer some posts! Anyway, I asked a few on

this group, but I will ask again, where do I get the ALA for chelation?

I bought mine from my local health food store [which I had to divide

down] and from Kirkman labs.

>>Will this work as the DMSA or any other chelator that the DAN!

prescribes?

DMSA is better for lead than ALA is. But based on my research, ALA is

the safest chelator.

>>How come tho, so many people do the DMSA and not ALA?

From what I have read, people tend to choose DMSA if their child has

lead issues. Also it is believed that because DMSA does not generally

remove metals from the brain, it is best to " clean out the body "

before removing the metals from the brain.

Dana

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Please don't do this! This is an astronomical amount of DMSA.

Barb

[ ] Re: chelation

Hi,

I have the same prescription as you, i just filled it.. I am new.

My ds is supposed to start his dmsa this friday.

I hope i dont need to worry .. as i am supposed to give my 11 year old

son the exact same dosage..he is 59 lbs.

500 mg 3x day for three days...3 days on..then 11 days off...

I am a little bit nervous about how well he will tolerate this much

now..

kids damaged by immunizations

celiac, leaky guts, etc. scd 2 years

dd(8).. will start chelation soon also

> >

> > Hi

> > We are new members to this group. We are are now in a new stage of my

> > son's Jordan recovery, chelation. We haven't started yet, I am

thinking

> > maybe next week. I was just wondering if there have been any bad side

> > affects I should expect,other than the fact that most kids get more

> > aggressive. My dilema is that he has started a new school which he

> > adapted very well and his new teachers are saying how wonderful and

> > polite my son is . They don't know much about the journey I am in,

> > biomedics, diet, etc..They do know that he is to eat only what I have

> > in his lunch box. Do I fill them in about the chelation or do I stay

> > quiet. He is 12 yrs old and he was on waiting list to get in to this

> > special needs school, so now that we are in , I don't want to mess it

> > up. Any ideas?

> > Tks

> > Heleni

> >

> >

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[ ] Re: chelation

Hi,

I have the same prescription as you, i just filled it.. I am new.

My ds is supposed to start his dmsa this friday.

I hope i dont need to worry .. as i am supposed to give my 11 year old

son the exact same dosage..he is 59 lbs.

500 mg 3x day for three days...3 days on..then 11 days off...

I am a little bit nervous about how well he will tolerate this much

now..

kids damaged by immunizations

celiac, leaky guts, etc. scd 2 years

dd(8).. will start chelation soon also

> >

> > Hi

> > We are new members to this group. We are are now in a new stage of my

> > son's Jordan recovery, chelation. We haven't started yet, I am

thinking

> > maybe next week. I was just wondering if there have been any bad side

> > affects I should expect,other than the fact that most kids get more

> > aggressive. My dilema is that he has started a new school which he

> > adapted very well and his new teachers are saying how wonderful and

> > polite my son is . They don't know much about the journey I am in,

> > biomedics, diet, etc..They do know that he is to eat only what I have

> > in his lunch box.. Do I fill them in about the chelation or do I stay

> > quiet. He is 12 yrs old and he was on waiting list to get in to this

> > special needs school, so now that we are in , I don't want to mess it

> > up. Any ideas?

> > Tks

> > Heleni

> >

> >

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Is 100 mg 3 times a day for three days too much for a 35 pound child?

 

We are getting ready to start this.

 

April

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Are you indicating ALA and DMSA?

 

Per Andy Cutler's article, 1/8 to 1/4 mg per pound, so if you child weighs 35

lbs, the doesage should be at between 4.375 mg to 8.75 mg per time, and one time

every 3 to 4 hours. ALA can be administered once every 3 hours during the day,

and every 4 hours during the night due to slow motablism at night time. DMSA

should be administered once every 4 hours.

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From: April Hornung <ape0522@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: chelation

Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 10:17 PM

Is 100 mg 3 times a day for three days too much for a 35 pound child?

 

We are getting ready to start this.

 

April

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----- Original Message -----

From: April Hornung

Is 100 mg 3 times a day for three days too much for a 35 pound child?

===>Yes, very much too much. Just 1/8-1/4 mg per lb which would be 4-8 mgs

every four hours around the clock for Dmsa, every 3 hours during the day for

Ala, every 4 hours at night for Ala for a minimum of 64 or more hours.

100 mgs of Dmsa would have wiped ours off the map, good thing you asked.

We are getting ready to start this.

April

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Yes, way too much, and not often enough. A 35 pound child should start

at 9 mg dose (1/4 mg per pound) at the most. 1/8 mg per pound would be

acceptable. If ALA it should be dosed every 3 hours, if DMSA every 4

hours, for three days. It is dosed according to the half life so that

the blood levels are consistent. If you only dose three times a day,

you will get redistribution between each dose. Whereas dosing on the

half life will keep enough chelator in the body to keep moving the metal

out, instead of dropping it somewhere else. 100mg and only 3 times a

day is a recipe for redistribution disaster, and potential regression.

You can postpone your start until you've had more time to read the files

of the board and become comfortable with the dosing amount and

schedule. Is someone (like a DAN!) helping you with this, or are you on

your own? Many here chelate without a doctor, while some use a doctor

for testing. You can buy ALA and DMSA without a prescription, so no

doctor is required. If you have more questions, definitely ask.

Best to you and yours!

P.

April Hornung wrote:

>

> Is 100 mg 3 times a day for three days too much for a 35 pound child?

>

> We are getting ready to start this.

>

> April

>

>

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Yes, it's too high. I'm a 130 lb adult who has been chelating for a long time

and I use 50 mg, which I worked up to over time. I assume you're talking about

DMSA? DMSA needs to be dosed every 4 hours day and night, not 3 times a day.

Please educate yourself about Andy's protocol before you begin so that you can

chelate safely and avoid pushing mercury into your child's brain and making your

child worse.

LInda S S

Re: chelation

Posted by: " April Hornung " ape0522@... ape0522

Mon Sep 8, 2008 8:17 pm (PDT)

Is 100 mg 3 times a day for three days too much for a 35 pound child?

We are getting ready to start this.

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If the half life is 4 hours and you have to give it every 4 hours so the metals

do not adhere to the brain and cause other problems, what happens when you have

completed the 3 day program?  One round will not completely eliminate all the

metals so you would still may have loose metals running around. I cannot find

any info on this.

 

I am working with a doctor who suggested the 100 mg three times a day orally.  I

do not have much faith in any doctor. There are so many opinions out there. I

think it really depends on the child. Like they say autism is not a one size

fits all.

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Yes, at the end of each round, you will have redistribution of metals...which

sometimes

manifests in worse behaviors for a day or fatigue etc. The idea is to not

continually put

your child in a state of redistribution during the round, thus this is why you

observe the 3

or 4 hour dosing based on the half life of the chelator used.

I'm pretty sure that's what Andy told me!

Jill

>

> If the half life is 4 hours and you have to give it every 4 hours so the

metals do not

adhere to the brain and cause other problems, what happens when you have

completed

the 3 day program?  One round will not completely eliminate all the metals so

you would

still may have loose metals running around. I cannot find any info on this.

>  

> I am working with a doctor who suggested the 100 mg three times a day orally.

 I do not

have much faith in any doctor. There are so many opinions out there. I think it

really

depends on the child. Like they say autism is not a one size fits all.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is some redistribution at the end of each round. The goal is to have

redistribution only once per round, not after every dose.

S S

Re: chelation

Posted by: " April Hornung " ape0522@... ape0522

Tue Sep 9, 2008 7:28 pm (PDT)

If the half life is 4 hours and you have to give it every 4 hours so the metals

do not adhere to the brain and cause other problems, what happens when you have

completed the 3 day program? One round will not completely eliminate all the

metals so you would still may have loose metals running around. I cannot find

any info on this.

I am working with a doctor who suggested the 100 mg three times a day orally. I

do not have much faith in any doctor. There are so many opinions out there. I

think it really depends on the child. Like they say autism is not a one size

fits all.

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,

 

A novice question - would activated charcoal help at the end of the round?  If

so, when would you administer?

 

Thanks,

[ ] Re: chelation

There is some redistribution at the end of each round. The goal is to have

redistribution only once per round, not after every dose.

S S

Re: chelation

Posted by: " April Hornung " ape0522 (DOT) com ape0522

Tue Sep 9, 2008 7:28 pm (PDT)

If the half life is 4 hours and you have to give it every 4 hours so the metals

do not adhere to the brain and cause other problems, what happens when you have

completed the 3 day program? One round will not completely eliminate all the

metals so you would still may have loose metals running around. I cannot find

any info on this.

I am working with a doctor who suggested the 100 mg three times a day orally. I

do not have much faith in any doctor. There are so many opinions out there. I

think it really depends on the child. Like they say autism is not a one size

fits all.

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>

> If the half life is 4 hours and you have to give it every 4 hours so

the metals do not adhere to the brain and cause other problems, what

happens when you have completed the 3 day program?

Theoretically, there is at least some amount of redistribution. I

gave vitamin C and selenium, and for a while vitamin E, which are

antioxidants, to " clean up " any free floating metals.

Dana

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I gave activated charcoal but I used it in a different way then what you

describe. In order to chelate our son we had to have a very intense yeast

protocol in place. One part of this protocol was rotating uva ursi, mct oil, and

gse 3x a day. We would use uva ursi 2 months, then rotate to mct oil, then

rotate after 2 months to gse, then repeat.

One hour after the dose of yeast fighters, I would dose the activated charcoal

to mop up any die off happening. This reduced the yukky feeling that happens

from die off.

I don't know if activated charcoal could help with the crappy feeling chelation

sometimes gives or not, or if it mops up free floating metals. I have never

thought of it in that way.

[Guest guest]

Will EnteroAlgen help to eliminate redistribution?

Connie

[ ] Re: chelation

>

> If the half life is 4 hours and you have to give it every 4 hours so

the metals do not adhere to the brain and cause other problems, what

happens when you have completed the 3 day program?

Theoretically, there is at least some amount of redistribution. I

gave vitamin C and selenium, and for a while vitamin E, which are

antioxidants, to " clean up " any free floating metals.

Dana

[Guest guest]

this is why it is beneficial to have looooooooong rounds. More than 3

day if you can. In some old message I say Andy mentioning 1 or 2 weeks.

>

> If the half life is 4 hours and you have to give it every 4 hours so

the metals do not adhere to the brain and cause other problems, what

happens when you have completed the 3 day program? One round will not

completely eliminate all the metals so you would still may have loose

metals running around. I cannot find any info on this.

>

> I am working with a doctor who suggested the 100 mg three times a

day orally. I do not have much faith in any doctor. There are so many

opinions out there. I think it really depends on the child. Like they

say autism is not a one size fits all.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > If the half life is 4 hours and you have to give it every 4 hours so

> the metals do not adhere to the brain and cause other problems, what

> happens when you have completed the 3 day program?

>

> Theoretically, there is at least some amount of redistribution. I

> gave vitamin C and selenium, and for a while vitamin E, which are

> antioxidants, to " clean up " any free floating metals.

>

> Dana

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Could Andy comment on this? I'm interested to see if I could do this

with my sons.

Kes

> >

> > If the half life is 4 hours and you have to give it every 4 hours so

> the metals do not adhere to the brain and cause other problems, what

> happens when you have completed the 3 day program? One round will not

> completely eliminate all the metals so you would still may have loose

> metals running around. I cannot find any info on this.

> >

> > I am working with a doctor who suggested the 100 mg three times a

> day orally. I do not have much faith in any doctor. There are so many

> opinions out there. I think it really depends on the child. Like they

> say autism is not a one size fits all.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am not Andy, but I found his old post:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/1934.html

* Subject: Re: LA adminsitration schedule

* From: AndyCutler@a...

* Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 02:44:17 EDT

* Message Number: 1934

* Onibasu Link: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/1934.html

<< If they are more toxic you reducen the DOSE, not the

LENGTH OF TIME. You want a LONG chelation series to minimize the

redistribution effect. >>

So what is the longest period of time on the lipoic acid before a

break

you'd recommend, say for a massively toxic child?

A couple of weeks (if the dose is real low and he isn't getting too

much side

effects) if there is no notable copper problem. A week if copper is

somewhat

high.

Andy Cutler

> > >

> > > If the half life is 4 hours and you have to give it every 4 hours so

> > the metals do not adhere to the brain and cause other problems, what

> > happens when you have completed the 3 day program? One round will not

> > completely eliminate all the metals so you would still may have loose

> > metals running around. I cannot find any info on this.

> > >

> > > I am working with a doctor who suggested the 100 mg three times a

> > day orally. I do not have much faith in any doctor. There are so many

> > opinions out there. I think it really depends on the child. Like they

> > say autism is not a one size fits all

..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> Does ALA aggravate the yeast or is it the DMSA that does?

ALA increased yeast here, but I was able to control it with biotin and

GSE.

> Is it too risky to use the 25 Mgs every 4 hours?

Depends. You can try a lower dose if you want. What " risks " are you

referencing?

> Is every other weekend oK or is it better every weekend?

I did every weekend unless I had trouble controlling yeast. When

yeast was bad, I switched to every other weekend so I could get the

yeast under control.

> Do I need to make sure the yeast is gone before I do anything...

Based on my experience, yeast won't ever be " gone " until you start

chelating. So get it " reasonably under control " , and know what works

for your child to control it.

> The only way I know of checking if the yeast is gone is the test

from Great Plains Lab...not the full OAT but the lesser version for

$140.00... is there a cheaper way of finding out?

Watch for symptoms, many of which I have listed here

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

I just have another question about ALA. I am going to start DMSA next week and

then eventually add in DMSA. I know DMSA pulls zinc so that needs to be

supplemented. Does ALA pull any good minerals?

autism treatment@...: bethbroka@...: Sat, 11 Oct

2008 05:12:15 -0700Subject: [ ] Chelation

I've been treating my son's yeast problem for the past few months with

Nystatin... I want to resume chelating with ALA... My son is 11 years old about

70 pounds... I'd like to use 25 Mgs every 4 hours for 3 days every other

weekend... Does ALA aggravate the yeast or is it the DMSA that does? Is it too

risky to use the 25 Mgs every 4 hours? Is it better to use 12.5 mgs every 3

hours during the day and 4 hours in the nighttime? Is every other weekend oK or

is it better every weekend? Do I need to make sure the yeast is gone before I do

anything... The only way I know of checking if the yeast is gone is the test

from Great Plains Lab...not the full OAT but the lesser version for $140.00...

is there a cheaper way of finding out? Thank you ... Beth[Non-text portions of

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We found we had to do extra magnesium while on an ALA round, but only

with one of the children.

P.

campbell wrote:

>

>

> I just have another question about ALA. I am going to start DMSA next

> week and then eventually add in DMSA. I know DMSA pulls zinc so that

> needs to be supplemented. Does ALA pull any good minerals?

>

> autism treatment@...

> <mailto:autism treatment%40From>:

> bethbroka@... <mailto:bethbroka%40verizon.netDate>: Sat,

> 11 Oct 2008 05:12:15 -0700Subject: [ ] Chelation

>

> I've been treating my son's yeast problem for the past few months with

> Nystatin... I want to resume chelating with ALA... My son is 11 years

> old about 70 pounds... I'd like to use 25 Mgs every 4 hours for 3 days

> every other weekend... Does ALA aggravate the yeast or is it the DMSA

> that does? Is it too risky to use the 25 Mgs every 4 hours? Is it

> better to use 12.5 mgs every 3 hours during the day and 4 hours in the

> nighttime? Is every other weekend oK or is it better every weekend? Do

> I need to make sure the yeast is gone before I do anything... The only

> way I know of checking if the yeast is gone is the test from Great

> Plains Lab...not the full OAT but the lesser version for $140.00... is

> there a cheaper way of finding out? Thank you ... Beth[Non-text

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Thanks

@...: the.great.zambini@...: Sat, 11

Oct 2008 11:12:29 -0500Subject: Re: [ ] Chelation

We found we had to do extra magnesium while on an ALA round, but only with one

of the children. P. campbell wrote:>>> I just have another question

about ALA. I am going to start DMSA next > week and then eventually add in DMSA.

I know DMSA pulls zinc so that > needs to be supplemented. Does ALA pull any

good minerals?>> autism treatment@... >

<mailto:autism treatment%40From>: > bethbroka@...

<mailto:bethbroka%40verizon.netDate>: Sat, > 11 Oct 2008 05:12:15 -0700Subject:

[ ] Chelation>> I've been treating my son's yeast problem for the

past few months with > Nystatin... I want to resume chelating with ALA... My son

is 11 years > old about 70 pounds... I'd like to use 25 Mgs every 4 hours for 3

days > every other weekend... Does ALA aggravate the yeast or is it the DMSA >

that does? Is it too risky to use the 25 Mgs every 4 hours? Is it > better to

use 12.5 mgs every 3 hours during the day and 4 hours in the > nighttime? Is

every other weekend oK or is it better every weekend? Do > I need to make sure

the yeast is gone before I do anything... The only > way I know of checking if

the yeast is gone is the test from Great > Plains Lab...not the full OAT but the

lesser version for $140.00... is > there a cheaper way of finding out? Thank you

.... Beth[Non-text > portions of this message have been removed]>>

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>

> I've been treating my son's yeast problem for the past few months

with Nystatin... I want to resume chelating with ALA... My son is 11

years old about 70 pounds... I'd like to use 25 Mgs every 4 hours for

3 days every other weekend...

>  

> Does ALA aggravate the yeast or is it the DMSA that does?

*I believe they both do...i KNOW the ALA does, at least for my son.

 

> Is it too risky to use the 25 Mgs every 4 hours?

>  

> Is it better to use 12.5 mgs every 3  hours during the day and 4

hours in the nighttime?

*ALA needs to be dosed every 3 hours and 4 when they're sleeping,

that's how i do it here.

>  

> Is every other weekend oK or is it better every weekend?

I started out with every other weekend (for appx. 8 rounds) and now i

do every weekend.

>  

> Do I need to make sure the yeast is gone before I do anything...

*Here we would never has gotten started if i waited!

>  

> The only way I know of checking if the yeast is gone is the test

from Great Plains Lab...not the full OAT but the lesser version for

$140.00... is there a cheaper way of finding out?

*I know my son's yeast is " under control " by his behavior. You might

not need to do any testing.

>  

> Thank you ... Beth

Sherry