Chelation

[Guest guest]

> How quickly after starting hcelating wiht another agent (we use tD-

dmps) can you begin ALA? I read somewhere that you should wait about 6

months. Is this correct?

no, it is not correct, but lots of practitioners use

exceedingly long guidelines.

What is more important is how long since any major exposure

to mercury (e.g. amalgam replacement, injection w/ thimerosal).

You need to wait AT LEAST 3 months after mercury exposure before

using ALA at all.

good wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

> hi

>

> just joined and curious

>

> in the process of chelation - im considering using pca-rx -

Which isn't a chelator.

Adequate amounts of DMSA, DMPS or ALA are chelators. If you want your

kid to get better you have to use a real chelator.

> do the

> minerals chelate in any order?

No.

> ie does the worst go first - im only

> asking because on a previous post someone mentioned that mercury was

> considered the last to go and that others would go first - could

> someone please clarify

>

> ty

>

> emma

[Guest guest]

Why the age limit? Was he talking about an IV?

Hartge <allysmom777@...> wrote:A recent doc visit suggests EDTA for

chelation but not until after age 12. Does that sound right?

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Hi ,

Why EDTA? That's the older stuff. You can get oral DMSA or ALA yourself

without a prescription as many on this list do. Is he talking about heavy metal

chelation or clogged arteries chelation? Could be the doc doesn't know proper

dosing or got scared by the recent IV chelation situation with a young child.

You do know not to chelate with anything if the child has ANY mercury amalgam

dental fillings no matter what the doc or dentist says, right?

S S

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>

> Thoughts on Buttar TD DMPS, I have had my son on MB12 shots/TMG

with

> folic Acid/Spectrum 2 with vit. and min./cod lievr oi/GF/CF diet

and

> this is the next step, he has improved rapidly and want to

research

> this chelation throughly before I attempt

>

here are a few places with some general info on chelation:

/files/Mercury-Autism%

20FAQ

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

http://www.healing-arts.org/children/holmes.htm

Generally, chelation helps many kids.

Buttar's recommendation of using DMPS every other day is a

problem, however. I would recommend using DMPS every 8 hours

for at least 3 days (this is true if it is oral or TD, either one.)

good wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

If you have amalgams, do not apply without gloves.

Anne

>

> Hi all,

>

> We are finally starting chelation this weekend and have a couple

> questions. We are using DMSA cream, applying 0.3 ml 3 times a day

> for 3 days on, 11 days off.

>

> I was just wondering if during the application of body parts like

> feet ankles, forearms and such, should the cream be applied to both

> feet, both forearms, etc........depending on which body part we

start

> with. It is a small amount of cream so just wasnt sure if it

should

> be divided or if it even mattered.

>

> Also, and not to be silly, but should gloves be worn for the

> application? The reason I ask is because most gloves have that

> powder film on them and don't want it to mix with the cream. Will

it

> be safe for us to just wash our hands immediately after applying,

> since it is absorbed into the skin.

>

> Thanks You,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

According to the Cutler protocol, DMSA is supposed to be used

every 4 hours, including at night. DMPS is the one you can do every 8

hours, 3 days on.

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Andy_dose_sched.html

Use gloves if you have amalgams or are not actively chelating yourself

with the same stuff also. I just use a small piece of saran wrap and

rub it on with that. You can just go from one soft body part to the

next, I believe.

Ramona

wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> We are finally starting chelation this weekend and have a couple

> questions. We are using DMSA cream, applying 0.3 ml 3 times a day

> for 3 days on, 11 days off.

>

> I was just wondering if during the application of body parts like

> feet ankles, forearms and such, should the cream be applied to both

> feet, both forearms, etc........depending on which body part we start

> with. It is a small amount of cream so just wasnt sure if it should

> be divided or if it even mattered.

>

> Also, and not to be silly, but should gloves be worn for the

> application? The reason I ask is because most gloves have that

> powder film on them and don't want it to mix with the cream. Will it

> be safe for us to just wash our hands immediately after applying,

> since it is absorbed into the skin.

>

> Thanks You,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay Jim, I now have a little more time to answer

you line-for-line.

--- Mr Butterbur <not.athome@...> wrote:

> Dear Ms. Debi H.

>

> If you post views in a public forum then you

> should eventually expect a response from

> persons unknown to you, asking for

> clarification. As such, your priniciples,

> positions, and beliefs may, in fact, even be

> challenged.

>

From the air of your first email, you have no

desire in learning more or clarifying, only

asserting your opinion.

> Your response indicates that you grasped some

> on the principles of obtaining empirical

> (experimental) evidence, that any such evidence

> must be peer-reviewed to criticize the data

> collection methods, data analysis, and

> conclusions; and optimally, replicated for

> reliability. So many people, sadly enough, do

> not have such understanding, and spend years

> chasing down empty promises. For example, the

> promises of the Tomatis Method or the Berard

> auditory integration methods for treating

> autism, and subsequently, the glowing anecdotal

> reports of benefit. Coffee enemas in Mexico for

> brain cancer are another extreme example.

I do not recall ever asserting understanding or

knowledge of Tomatis Method, though many parents

have reported success. I know nothing of the

Berard auditory or coffee enemas.

>

> As for chelation, it has proven benefit for

> removing heavy metals (also for depleting other

> useful minerals). But, many parents are freely

> willing to assume that chelation will somehow

> dramatically improve symptoms of autism, and

> it's safe to presume that a fair number of

> parents are looking for an outright cure.

I cannot speak for anyone but myself, your email

asserted that I have stated chelation cures

autism. To assert anyone else's thoughts or

seekings are the same as mine is grossly

generalizing and potentially wrong. As well, you

have yet to reference a posting that you stated

you saw regarding chelatio and my comments. For

the third time, is it, please reference the

specific posting you referenced.

>

> Such desires are so strong that

> well-intentioned parents are willing to

> restrain their children for 40+ treatments from

> misguided health providers who have " scientific

> evidence " . If I was such a child, I would

> immediatly learn to associate chelation

> " treatments " with a lot of physical pain

> (needles). As for " safety " , yes, I agree with

> your statement that a treatement done " safely "

> is " safe " . My issue is with the discomfort

> (pain).

Again, I do not recall ever discussing needles.

Again, please reference the posting in which I

reference chelation using needles. Clearly you

have no concept of my understanding of chelation

or methodology, further asserting you behave

suspiciously as the obsessive Rev. Jim. That

said, I'm sure type 1 diabetics associate pain

with their insulin, so based on your argument, we

should stop giving insulin to type 1 diabetics

because it's discomforting.

>

> So, dear lady, I don't endeavour to change

> your mind about any treatment that has

> convinced you of " scientific " benefit. I'm sure

> you love your child as deeply as any parent

> can, and expend enormous resources in the

> effort to help him/her.

My child is none of your business.

>

> But I do wonder, if one observes improvment

> in achild over 2-3 years of chelation, can you

> attribute it to a reduction of a miniscule

> amount of mecury (if in fact mercury is present

> at a toxic level) or would perceptions of

> improvement result in the child incidentally,

> from maturity plus all the love and treatments

> and social interactions you provide over the

> same period?

Here again, you make the assertion that

scienfitic study has yet to prove mercury

toxicity. There are hundreds of studies out

there. Again, I forwarded your email to many

people who hopefully will provide you with those

references. As well, you fail to reference the

flaws of the studies quackwatch uses, which again

asserts your desire to shy away from legitimate

scientific study and a desire to seek what

outcome you wish.

For when a child is their as their

> own " control " then it becomes almost impossible

> to state that any observed behavioral change

> occurred solely as the result of the treatment,

> when in fact, said child also benefits from the

> other interventions previously mentioned. And

> if there is no proven benefit, why do it?

Again, there is documented scientific evidence.

As well, there is antedotal evidence. Because

there legitimate evidence, antedotal evidence,

and epidemiological evidence, that is why there

is a proven benefit and yet another reason to do

it. Another reason would be a cost/benefit

analysis. If a treatment is reasonably safe,

reasonable outcomes, and those outcomes are

measureable, you then compare it to the cost of

minute risk of danger to health against long-term

risk of an individual who cannot have a quality

of life. Wasn't it those for the death of Terri

Shiavo who used this very argument, quality of

life? How much more so then is this argument for

a treatment relatively safe with good outcomes.

I would suggest if you truly have a desire to

learn more, you seek Great Plains Laboratory. The

have the largest database in the nation of lab

tests of people with autism. I believe it's the

NIH who uses GPL data for studying those with

autism.

>

> One way to " prove it " (rather draconian)

> would be to take a large group of autistic

> children with proven heavy-metal toxicity and

> randomly assign each to a control or

> experimental group, one treated with chelation

> and the other with plain plasma or saline, and

> the outcome determined after several years of

> such treatments. Or, include a third group of

> autistic children and provide no therapy at

> all, but stick them with the needle anyway,

> while the other two groups recieve their usual

> behavioral + social interventions. Is such a

> situation, one would have empirical, scientific

> evidence. But would it be done? Of course not,

> as the potential harm is indeed very tangible

> for the two unwitting control groups.

Again, I ask you to reference the posting I made

regarding the use of needles. you seem to have

little knowledge regarding chelation methods.

Again, the study you reference has been done, but

the chelation method was not using IV type

chelators. Therefore, there is evidence you state

there needs to be, but again, you lack knowledge

of understanding chelation or the scientific

studies used.

The

> downside is that then, there is no way to

> collect the " scientific evidence " that is so

> desperately required. So, here is one reason

> why so many glowing reports about perceived

> benefit from a questionable treatment are

> anecdotal,and why parents have to be so very

> watchful and

> careful for their children, especially when

> the treatments are expensive or

> exotic-sounding. A " treatment du jour " .

Again, there has been the scientific evidence you

propose, but not using the IV method you seem to

prefer.

>

> In closing, please don't presume that since I

> am a stranger to you (and who may seem

> irksome by addressing issues if my point of

> view does not coincide with yours) that I am

> entirely ignorant or devoid of training or

> credentials on the topic. I have no desire to

> be confrontational or ask you to defend a

> position. People learn from one another in a

> dialogue, but I have gone on longer than

> intended. I did not intend to launch on a

> discussion of empirical methodology.

I do not presume that you are a supposed stranger

and ignorant of this topic, I assume you have

little knowledge because you do reference a

posting that I supposedly made without providing

reference to that posting and discuss a topic I

do not recall ever posting about, and you in your

postings show you do not know much about it. I'm

all for conversing and exchanging ideas. Your

initial email as well as this email is not one

seeking information, it's one telling me what I

said that I never said and telling my why that's

wrong. So far your emails make little sense. One

who's trying to learn asks questions, not issuing

decrees.

>

> My concern was with the pain associated with

> the procedure. Since there is undoubtably pain

> from sticking a needle into a vein, repeatedly,

> over years, my position is that I don't think

> that chelation treatment is entirely benign.

> Given the lack of empirical evidence of

> benefit, it may very well be unneccessary.

>

Again, I ask you, what posting did I make

regarding the use of needles. Again, I state

since needles are painful, based on your own

arguments, we should stop injecting insulin into

type 1 diabetic children. Again, there is not a

lack of evidence, there is a lack of those

wanting to seek the evidence and a lack of those

seeking the truth, not their version of what they

hope the truth is.

> It would be nice to be able to ask the

> children their point of view.

Yes, there are about 3 million parents in this

nation alone who would love to ask their children

their point of view. Unfortunately, the vast

majority are unable to express their thoughts

because they have something called " AUTISM " .

Clearly you enjoy twisting the knife in the

wounds of those parents to make such an assine

statement.

>

> Peace to you, too.

>

> Mr. Butterbur

>

>

> " Debi H. " <fightingautism@...> wrote:

> May I ask to which posting you are referring?

>

>

> As well, I do not recall ever stating I am

> seeking a cure for my child. As well, I do not

> recall ever stating chelation cures autism. As

> well, quackwatch is a waste of internet space.

> They don't have a fat clue what true science

> is.

> True scientific method seeks an unbiased

> result,

> with outcomes that can be replicated. As well,

> scientific method seeks to control groups, not

> change data 3 different times, as in a danish

> study regarding mmr. As well, chelation, when

> done safely, is relatively safe, especially

> compared to the safety of mercury sitting in

> one's brain.

>

> As well, I don't know you from adam, I'm sure

> to

> listen to trained medical professionals with

> years of experience and leading scientific

> researchers than one stranger.

>

> peace back at cha

>

> --- Mr Butterbur wrote:

>

> >

>

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chelation.html

> >

> > I saw your sad posting.

> >

> > Chelation will not cure autism. And I'm sure

> > it hurts.

> >

> > Peace

> >

> > Mr. Butterbur

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Diane,

I think most people start with just one chelator to make sure there

are no problems tolerating it. If you start with two and have

problems, it's hard to figure out which one is doing what. We didn't

have any new exposures, so we did one round of DMSA on the AC

protocol, and then added ALA the next round.

take care

René

>

> Has anyone started chelation with both DMSA and ALA?

> TIA,

> Diane

>

[Guest guest]

I have been using Bio-Chelat for two months. I will have a post-treatment

test done next week, and advise you shortly.

My doctor highly recommended it. I hope it will work for me.

[Guest guest]

ALA and DMSA make more sense. I presume he has NO mercury amalgam dental

fillings...if he has ANY don't use anything claiming to be a chelator, it will

redistribute the toxic metals and make things worse.

They go by blood lead levels and that only shows up if it was recent exposure.

DMSA chelates both mercury (from the body, not brain) and lead, but please read

the FAQs of this list for appropriate dose and dosing schedule (which is NOT

commonly used by mainstream docs or even DAN! docs. For a chance at getting

anything chelation-related covered they would need to use the diagnosis code for

metal toxicity, not for autism (and even then it's rather unusual).

Yes, viral issues are more common. Check the files for recent discussion on

warts.

S S

<p>*Has anyone tried PCA-Rx, or Zeolite? If so, what were the

results (good or bad)?<br>

*Has anyone used Glyco-nutrients? If so, what brand, what dose, and what

results?<br>

*Does anyone know of any funding sources for Hyperbaric Oxygen? Any studies

that are open for volunteer subjects, etc?<br>

Chelation and HBOT are the two main things that I would like to try with my

son. Also, does anyone know what level of lead will qualify a child for

chelation to be covered by Access card, and what type of chelation would they

use? How safe is it, and will it also remove mercury? Thanks for any info.<br>

Also- are our kids more prone to problems with planter's warts or other viral

infections? If so, what remedies are beneficial? He's had some improvement

with a product called Wart Wonder (which has thuja, etc, it), and the Duct tape

method. when the doctor scraped it, his wart spread out about 1 or 2 dozen

little " babies " ! I know that the MMR may be a problem with some kids (in

addition to the mercury), and his titer rates were high, so he didn't get the

booster, but I'm wondering if there is any data on an overall inability to fight

off all types of viral infections, perhaps because of a chronic battle with

MMR?? Any concrete info (or any anecdotal stuff)?<br>

He takes flaxseed oil for EFAs. I thought about Evening Primrose or borage-

and about fish oils, but since he tests with a seafood allergy, I'm told that he

may be sensitive to fish/iodine,<wbr>etc., so I don't know that I want to add

fish oils for him (although I like Nordic Natural,Carlson'<wbr>s, myself, in

addition to the Barleans flax capsules). I also thought that Evening Primrose

might be more beneficial to women, than to a teenage boy. Any input about

EFAs?<br>

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[Guest guest]

There was just a mom on her who's daughter was put on PCA-Rx and regressed

terribly. If you want to talk with her I could email and ask her if she would be

willing to speak with you.

[ ] chelation

*Has anyone tried PCA-Rx, or Zeolite? If so, what were the results (good or

bad)?

*Has anyone used Glyco-nutrients? If so, what brand, what dose, and what

results?

*Does anyone know of any funding sources for Hyperbaric Oxygen? Any studies

that are open for volunteer subjects, etc?

Chelation and HBOT are the two main things that I would like to try with my

son. Also, does anyone know what level of lead will qualify a child for

chelation to be covered by Access card, and what type of chelation would they

use? How safe is it, and will it also remove mercury? Thanks for any info.

Also- are our kids more prone to problems with planter's warts or other viral

infections? If so, what remedies are beneficial? He's had some improvement with

a product called Wart Wonder (which has thuja, etc, it), and the Duct tape

method. when the doctor scraped it, his wart spread out about 1 or 2 dozen

little " babies " ! I know that the MMR may be a problem with some kids (in

addition to the mercury), and his titer rates were high, so he didn't get the

booster, but I'm wondering if there is any data on an overall inability to fight

off all types of viral infections, perhaps because of a chronic battle with

MMR?? Any concrete info (or any anecdotal stuff)?

He takes flaxseed oil for EFAs. I thought about Evening Primrose or borage-

and about fish oils, but since he tests with a seafood allergy, I'm told that he

may be sensitive to fish/iodine,etc., so I don't know that I want to add fish

oils for him (although I like Nordic Natural,Carlson's, myself, in addition to

the Barleans flax capsules). I also thought that Evening Primrose might be more

beneficial to women, than to a teenage boy. Any input about EFAs?

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[Guest guest]

I know several people who are using or have used PCA-rx. They have had

incredible results with 1 mom recovering her 5 year old in 6 months.

Another couple of moms saw changes within a couple of weeks.

We tried glyco-nutrients and didn't see a change, but I know of others

that have seen great changes in 3 months. We are chelating right now

and use DMSA to remove body metals and will start ALA when the body

metals are chelated out and then chelate the brain.

Warts will come off if you use Olive leaf extract. My daughter has lost

several this way and only has 1 or 2 left.

[ ] chelation

*Has anyone tried PCA-Rx, or Zeolite? If so, what were the results (good

or bad)?

*Has anyone used Glyco-nutrients? If so, what brand, what dose, and what

results?

*Does anyone know of any funding sources for Hyperbaric Oxygen? Any

studies that are open for volunteer subjects, etc?

Chelation and HBOT are the two main things that I would like to try with

my son. Also, does anyone know what level of lead will qualify a child

for chelation to be covered by Access card, and what type of chelation

would they use? How safe is it, and will it also remove mercury? Thanks

for any info.

Also- are our kids more prone to problems with planter's warts or other

viral infections? If so, what remedies are beneficial? He's had some

improvement with a product called Wart Wonder (which has thuja, etc,

it), and the Duct tape method. when the doctor scraped it, his wart

spread out about 1 or 2 dozen little " babies " ! I know that the MMR may

be a problem with some kids (in addition to the mercury), and his titer

rates were high, so he didn't get the booster, but I'm wondering if

there is any data on an overall inability to fight off all types of

viral infections, perhaps because of a chronic battle with MMR?? Any

concrete info (or any anecdotal stuff)?

He takes flaxseed oil for EFAs. I thought about Evening Primrose or

borage- and about fish oils, but since he tests with a seafood allergy,

I'm told that he may be sensitive to fish/iodine,etc., so I don't know

that I want to add fish oils for him (although I like Nordic

Natural,Carlson's, myself, in addition to the Barleans flax capsules). I

also thought that Evening Primrose might be more beneficial to women,

than to a teenage boy. Any input about EFAs?

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[Guest guest]

How did you know when your son had enough Omega 6 and so on before you

switched him to the next thing? Also, my son has two little bumps on his elbow

that just surfaced within the last couple of months. If they are warts, does

that mean he probably has viral issues as well where he would benefit from the

antivirals?

Carla

[Guest guest]

We have used PCA-rx for 6 (well actually 7) months.. and I can't say

we have seen any changes in our daughter.

It seems expensive. $100 a bottle.

We have had a few urine tests during that 6 month period, and have

seen no significant drop in our heavy metals. I guess it takes a long

time.

[Guest guest]

> Also- are our kids more prone to problems with planter's warts or

other viral infections? If so, what remedies are beneficial?

Vitamin C and A, and OLE/Virastop. When I started taking Virastop, I

developed a nasty plantar's wart on the bottom of one food, but as I

continued with the Virastop, it reduced. Today it no longer hurts,

and is on its way out. I also have a strange looking rash on the back

of one hand. Anyway, this process took about a month, which was the

duration of my son's longest viral " die off " rash.

>>but I'm wondering if there is any data on an overall inability to

fight off all types of viral infections, perhaps because of a chronic

battle with MMR?? Any concrete info (or any anecdotal stuff)?

My son required high dose vitamin A protocol for measles virus, and

over a year of vitamin C plus OLE and Virastop. Many autistic kids

have immune system problems and virus issues.

> He takes flaxseed oil for EFAs. I thought about Evening Primrose

or borage- and about fish oils, but since he tests with a seafood

allergy, I'm told that he may be sensitive to fish/iodine,etc., so I

don't know that I want to add fish oils for him (although I like

Nordic Natural,Carlson's, myself, in addition to the Barleans flax

capsules). I also thought that Evening Primrose might be more

beneficial to women, than to a teenage boy. Any input about EFAs?

My son needed preloading with EPO for Omega 6. Then when he had enough

Omega 6, I switched to flax, which is 3,6,9. Then when he was fully

loaded with that, I switched to fish oil for more Omega 3. This was

after I corrected his mito issues so he could tolerate EFAs in the

first place. My son needed all these types of EFAs, not just one.

And he needed them in this order.

Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> We have used PCA-rx for 6 (well actually 7) months.. and I can't say

> we have seen any changes in our daughter.

>

PCA-Rx contains ALA. The company doesn't say how much ALA is in their

product. ALA must be administered every 3 h around the clock in order

to get a net removal of metals from the body. Using it infrequently,

as people do with PCA-RX, carries a huge risk of making the person worse.

I'm glad that you say you have not seen changes. Many people report

regression.

> It seems expensive. $100 a bottle.

>

It is expensive.

> We have had a few urine tests during that 6 month period, and have

> seen no significant drop in our heavy metals.

There is so much error and problems involved with urine tests that

they are not a reliable test to use to make treatment decisions.

And, I wouldn't expect PCA-Rx to take much metal out of the body anyway.

A hair test from Doctor's Data Inc will give the most information

about toxicity. Applying Andy Cutler's counting rules to the test

helps to determine the probability of mercury poisoning. Deranged

mineral transport indicates mercury problems. Other metals show up on

the hair tests. People in this group can help you to get a test and

to interpret it.

J

I guess it takes a long

> time.

>

[Guest guest]

According to our DAN! doc, PCA-RX contains only " trace amounts " of ALA.

Still, the company won't tell us how much exactly is in and that's a

problem. We have pulled tons of toxic metals on PCA-RX. We have red lined

metals again and again on Doctor Data fecal metals tests while using PCA-RX.

Pamela

" Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless

you're scared. "

Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

[Guest guest]

>

> How did you know when your son had enough Omega 6 and so on before you

> switched him to the next thing?

Giving the Omega 6 started causing problems.

Also, my son has two little bumps on his elbow

> that just surfaced within the last couple of months. If they are

warts, does

> that mean he probably has viral issues as well where he would

benefit from the

> antivirals?

If they are warts, anti-virals should be effective.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I have noticed two marks bumps, warts, whatever on my son's face. Could

they be due to using the largeer 16 oz. bottle of nordic naturals CLO

that includes the Omega 6 in it as I started buying this size the last 2

times and these marks showed up on his face. The 8 oz. size CLO didn't

mention having the Omega 6 in it.

>>> " danasview " <danasview@...> 9/8/2006 10:54:20 AM >>>

>

> How did you know when your son had enough Omega 6 and so on before

you

> switched him to the next thing?

Giving the Omega 6 started causing problems.

Also, my son has two little bumps on his elbow

> that just surfaced within the last couple of months. If they are

warts, does

> that mean he probably has viral issues as well where he would

benefit from the

> antivirals?

If they are warts, anti-virals should be effective.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> >

> > How did you know when your son had enough Omega 6 and so on before

> you

> > switched him to the next thing?

>

>

> Giving the Omega 6 started causing problems.

>

>

> Also, my son has two little bumps on his elbow

> > that just surfaced within the last couple of months. If they are

> warts, does

> > that mean he probably has viral issues as well where he would

> benefit from the

> > antivirals?

>

>

> If they are warts, anti-virals should be effective.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

We are currenlty chelating all three of us..two kids and one adult

without any doc. We are using Andy Cutler's protocol as it makes sense

scientifically, and has not been shown to be dangerous. None of us

have gotten worse in anyway but gained improvments with each round.

The people I have talked with on other boards that got worse were

using haphazard ways of chelating. Using substances that no one has

tested such as chlorella or cilantro, and in crazy doses. Others were

using dmsa, dmps, but in really scarey doses. All lot of this is

common sense..go slow, read Andy's information so you know how to do

it correctly. It is normal to experience some side effects with

chelation but these can be mild if you follow the protocol. Usually

yeast, fatigue...all things that can be reversed or fixed with proper

vitamin/minerals and yeast treatment. Most people with metals have had

chronic candida of the gut/body for years and did not even know it

until they begin to treat it. I did and had no idea what was causing

all those symptoms..until I treated it with GSE.

>

> Has anybody on this list undergone chelation themselves? What

protocol

> did you use? How did you feel during it? Did you get worse at all? If

> you got worse, what did you do about it?

>

[Guest guest]

I have heard that there are class actions but not sure who/where. I

know they are having a heck of a time getting anywhere with it. As

you have to prove that vaccines directly caused the damage, and they

have way more money than most of us. But if you search the web for

vaccine damage/lawsuits...likely you will find something.

>

>

> Hi

>

> Has anyone used PCA or Bio-chelat for ASD kids 4-6?

>

> Did you wait until gut issues fixed or not?

>

> Is there are move in the USA to take up class actions against

vaccine

> companies?

>

> Mark Brannigan

>

[Guest guest]

I am doing Calcium Disodium EDTA and it is a powder form that I open the

capsules up for and place under my tongue as sublingual.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

-Joe: What is this suppose to do for you? What type of positive things

are you seeing? Frann

- In , " JCastron " <jcastron1@...> wrote:

>

> I am doing Calcium Disodium EDTA and it is a powder form that I open

the capsules up for and place under my tongue as sublingual.

>

> Joe C.

>

>