Hello

[Guest guest]

Betty, Don't go back to lurking. You started a really good

thread!!! None of us knows all the answers here. That's why we have

this forum...to talk things out, learn and get and give support. I

may have a different opinion from you and a different strategy but

hey, guess what? We both ended up in the same place needing wls!

Personally, I don't disbelieve you. I am merely in awe. Nevr, ever

in my entire life will I ever weigh 157, unless I'm old, crinkly and

very sick. I have lost 120 and am still really fat!! (246). I envy

you seeing the day when the scale dipped below 200. You must have

been ecstatic. Part of me, a very big part, believes I will never

have that experience now matter how hard I work.

Before wls I worked out 4 days a week, ate 1400 calories a

day..journaled and KNEW I was clean..went from 320 to 265 and just

plain stopped. My Dr. said long distance runners only eat 1500 cal a

day and run extensively (hard to believe...but they are really

skinny). When he said that I went into a big depression thinking no

matter how hard I tried i would always be fat...frankly I knew I was

putting out the max effort I could on a lifelong basis, and it was

hard.

That's why I have to let go of the scale. It will drive me insane.

I'm sick of chasing a goal which may or may not be attainable and

basing my emotional well being and self estem on whether or not I

attain that goal.

I'm already 44..not that much time left. The best I can do is live

well and be happy with where I am (that doesn't mean being happy at

246 and staying there...it means happy at 246 and happy that I have

goals and aspirations that I am actually working towards as opposed

to just dreaming about them).

Any way, there I go blah blah blah again..Don't go away..stay with us.

Smiles,

Vicki A.making In Graduate-OSSG@y..., " Betty " wrote:

> Might be fine for you. I WAS a size 8... and that's where I would

like to be... but I'm back up to size 14!!!!!!!.... now is that where

I want to be??????

>

> Weight-wise... I was 28 years old when I became pregnant with my

youngest child... I weighed 122# and gained up to 135# until my 5th

month and gained the rest of the weight that I just had reduced with

this surgery .... the doctor and surgeon both agreed with me when I

stated to them I wished to get back down to 125 - 135 #.... with my

frame and arthritis this was not out of sight of reality and health

benefits. As a young adult (teen years to early 20's... I weighed

around 115 - 119# at the height of 5'7 1/2 " ... I lost height as well

as gained weight over the years) I was even thinner.... healthy but

thinner.

>

> Sorry if my problem is not something everyone else thinks is a

problem.... I will shut up on this now....

>

> I feel like I am defending myself as I did before I had my

surgery.... so I'm sorry I brought it up... I'll go back to lurking.

>

> My apologies,

> Betty

> Re: Hello

> >

> >

> > Wait a minute...let me get this straight. You were over 300

pounds

> > and now are 157 (10 pounds from a low) and you think you're

getting

> > fat again?

> >

> > Maybe that's just where your body is comfortable. Now if you

gain 30

> > pounds and are still gaining, that's another thing.

> >

> > If you are eating in a healthy fashion, exercising moderately

and

> > know in your heart of hearts you are living well, then to hell

with

> > the scale! It's about being healthy, and obsessing over

numbers is

> > not healthy.

> >

> > Having said that, I will commismerate because my last plateau

started

> > giving me the heavie geevies a day or two before it FINALLY

ended.

> >

> > You can always keep a food diary for a week. Only 300

calories a

> > day, a couple of Costco samples, two cookies or a specialty

coffee,

> > will add a pound a week.

> >

> > Progress, not perfection. Just keep on the path, and get back

on it

> > as quick as you can when you fall. It's the ones who say to

heck

> > with it and lose sight who fail. I should know...I did it.

But it's

> > not to late even for me.

> >

> > Vicki A.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > In a message dated 10/27/2002 5:36:02 AM Pacific Standard

Time,

> > > bhopple@t... writes:

> > >

> > >

> > > > go on a diet... loose weight.. change my behavior, etc....

then

> > all of a

> > > > sudden the body starts putting it back on... *sigh*...

depression

> > sets in

> > > > and weight goes back on with a vengeance. This was the

cycle

> > before the

> > > > WLS.... now it is looking as though I may end up going

through

> > this same

> > > > thing again???????.......

> > >

> > > Betty, I have no advice whatsoever for you, just a

frighteningly

> > sympathetic

> > > shoulder to cry on. I thought the answer was my thyroid,

but after

> > two

> > > series of abnormal resorts, my full thyroid panel came back

> > completely and

> > > absolutely normal. In my quest to lose the last 15 - 20 lbs

(which

> > now

> > > includes the 7 I regained), I initially lost 7 lbs., and now

am

> > watching in

> > > horror as the weight hurls itself back onto my body. I have

gained

> > 5 lbs. in

> > > a week - no, it's not my period it's not muscle gain, etc.

etc.

> > In one

> > > little corner of my mind I am absolutely fascinated that my

body

> > can gain

> > > weight on 1500 calories a day - which is exactly what it did

pre-

> > op. The

> > > rest of my mind is screaming frantically.

> > >

> > > Yesterday, I did what any other red-blooded American does

when

> > confronted

> > > with this phenomena. I ate 20 little snack-sized candy

bars.

> > There, that'll

> > > teach my body who's in charge!

> > >

> > > Going to the gym now to do penance.....I'll be thinking of

you

> > Betty! You

> > > can join my own private " going through heck " club which

includes me

> > and

> > > Helene, and now you!! Woo Hoo!!

> > >

> > > Kate

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Betty, Don't go back to lurking. You started a really good

thread!!! None of us knows all the answers here. That's why we have

this forum...to talk things out, learn and get and give support. I

may have a different opinion from you and a different strategy but

hey, guess what? We both ended up in the same place needing wls!

Personally, I don't disbelieve you. I am merely in awe. Nevr, ever

in my entire life will I ever weigh 157, unless I'm old, crinkly and

very sick. I have lost 120 and am still really fat!! (246). I envy

you seeing the day when the scale dipped below 200. You must have

been ecstatic. Part of me, a very big part, believes I will never

have that experience now matter how hard I work.

Before wls I worked out 4 days a week, ate 1400 calories a

day..journaled and KNEW I was clean..went from 320 to 265 and just

plain stopped. My Dr. said long distance runners only eat 1500 cal a

day and run extensively (hard to believe...but they are really

skinny). When he said that I went into a big depression thinking no

matter how hard I tried i would always be fat...frankly I knew I was

putting out the max effort I could on a lifelong basis, and it was

hard.

That's why I have to let go of the scale. It will drive me insane.

I'm sick of chasing a goal which may or may not be attainable and

basing my emotional well being and self estem on whether or not I

attain that goal.

I'm already 44..not that much time left. The best I can do is live

well and be happy with where I am (that doesn't mean being happy at

246 and staying there...it means happy at 246 and happy that I have

goals and aspirations that I am actually working towards as opposed

to just dreaming about them).

Any way, there I go blah blah blah again..Don't go away..stay with us.

Smiles,

Vicki A.making In Graduate-OSSG@y..., " Betty " wrote:

> Might be fine for you. I WAS a size 8... and that's where I would

like to be... but I'm back up to size 14!!!!!!!.... now is that where

I want to be??????

>

> Weight-wise... I was 28 years old when I became pregnant with my

youngest child... I weighed 122# and gained up to 135# until my 5th

month and gained the rest of the weight that I just had reduced with

this surgery .... the doctor and surgeon both agreed with me when I

stated to them I wished to get back down to 125 - 135 #.... with my

frame and arthritis this was not out of sight of reality and health

benefits. As a young adult (teen years to early 20's... I weighed

around 115 - 119# at the height of 5'7 1/2 " ... I lost height as well

as gained weight over the years) I was even thinner.... healthy but

thinner.

>

> Sorry if my problem is not something everyone else thinks is a

problem.... I will shut up on this now....

>

> I feel like I am defending myself as I did before I had my

surgery.... so I'm sorry I brought it up... I'll go back to lurking.

>

> My apologies,

> Betty

> Re: Hello

> >

> >

> > Wait a minute...let me get this straight. You were over 300

pounds

> > and now are 157 (10 pounds from a low) and you think you're

getting

> > fat again?

> >

> > Maybe that's just where your body is comfortable. Now if you

gain 30

> > pounds and are still gaining, that's another thing.

> >

> > If you are eating in a healthy fashion, exercising moderately

and

> > know in your heart of hearts you are living well, then to hell

with

> > the scale! It's about being healthy, and obsessing over

numbers is

> > not healthy.

> >

> > Having said that, I will commismerate because my last plateau

started

> > giving me the heavie geevies a day or two before it FINALLY

ended.

> >

> > You can always keep a food diary for a week. Only 300

calories a

> > day, a couple of Costco samples, two cookies or a specialty

coffee,

> > will add a pound a week.

> >

> > Progress, not perfection. Just keep on the path, and get back

on it

> > as quick as you can when you fall. It's the ones who say to

heck

> > with it and lose sight who fail. I should know...I did it.

But it's

> > not to late even for me.

> >

> > Vicki A.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > In a message dated 10/27/2002 5:36:02 AM Pacific Standard

Time,

> > > bhopple@t... writes:

> > >

> > >

> > > > go on a diet... loose weight.. change my behavior, etc....

then

> > all of a

> > > > sudden the body starts putting it back on... *sigh*...

depression

> > sets in

> > > > and weight goes back on with a vengeance. This was the

cycle

> > before the

> > > > WLS.... now it is looking as though I may end up going

through

> > this same

> > > > thing again???????.......

> > >

> > > Betty, I have no advice whatsoever for you, just a

frighteningly

> > sympathetic

> > > shoulder to cry on. I thought the answer was my thyroid,

but after

> > two

> > > series of abnormal resorts, my full thyroid panel came back

> > completely and

> > > absolutely normal. In my quest to lose the last 15 - 20 lbs

(which

> > now

> > > includes the 7 I regained), I initially lost 7 lbs., and now

am

> > watching in

> > > horror as the weight hurls itself back onto my body. I have

gained

> > 5 lbs. in

> > > a week - no, it's not my period it's not muscle gain, etc.

etc.

> > In one

> > > little corner of my mind I am absolutely fascinated that my

body

> > can gain

> > > weight on 1500 calories a day - which is exactly what it did

pre-

> > op. The

> > > rest of my mind is screaming frantically.

> > >

> > > Yesterday, I did what any other red-blooded American does

when

> > confronted

> > > with this phenomena. I ate 20 little snack-sized candy

bars.

> > There, that'll

> > > teach my body who's in charge!

> > >

> > > Going to the gym now to do penance.....I'll be thinking of

you

> > Betty! You

> > > can join my own private " going through heck " club which

includes me

> > and

> > > Helene, and now you!! Woo Hoo!!

> > >

> > > Kate

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Betty, Don't go back to lurking. You started a really good

thread!!! None of us knows all the answers here. That's why we have

this forum...to talk things out, learn and get and give support. I

may have a different opinion from you and a different strategy but

hey, guess what? We both ended up in the same place needing wls!

Personally, I don't disbelieve you. I am merely in awe. Nevr, ever

in my entire life will I ever weigh 157, unless I'm old, crinkly and

very sick. I have lost 120 and am still really fat!! (246). I envy

you seeing the day when the scale dipped below 200. You must have

been ecstatic. Part of me, a very big part, believes I will never

have that experience now matter how hard I work.

Before wls I worked out 4 days a week, ate 1400 calories a

day..journaled and KNEW I was clean..went from 320 to 265 and just

plain stopped. My Dr. said long distance runners only eat 1500 cal a

day and run extensively (hard to believe...but they are really

skinny). When he said that I went into a big depression thinking no

matter how hard I tried i would always be fat...frankly I knew I was

putting out the max effort I could on a lifelong basis, and it was

hard.

That's why I have to let go of the scale. It will drive me insane.

I'm sick of chasing a goal which may or may not be attainable and

basing my emotional well being and self estem on whether or not I

attain that goal.

I'm already 44..not that much time left. The best I can do is live

well and be happy with where I am (that doesn't mean being happy at

246 and staying there...it means happy at 246 and happy that I have

goals and aspirations that I am actually working towards as opposed

to just dreaming about them).

Any way, there I go blah blah blah again..Don't go away..stay with us.

Smiles,

Vicki A.making In Graduate-OSSG@y..., " Betty " wrote:

> Might be fine for you. I WAS a size 8... and that's where I would

like to be... but I'm back up to size 14!!!!!!!.... now is that where

I want to be??????

>

> Weight-wise... I was 28 years old when I became pregnant with my

youngest child... I weighed 122# and gained up to 135# until my 5th

month and gained the rest of the weight that I just had reduced with

this surgery .... the doctor and surgeon both agreed with me when I

stated to them I wished to get back down to 125 - 135 #.... with my

frame and arthritis this was not out of sight of reality and health

benefits. As a young adult (teen years to early 20's... I weighed

around 115 - 119# at the height of 5'7 1/2 " ... I lost height as well

as gained weight over the years) I was even thinner.... healthy but

thinner.

>

> Sorry if my problem is not something everyone else thinks is a

problem.... I will shut up on this now....

>

> I feel like I am defending myself as I did before I had my

surgery.... so I'm sorry I brought it up... I'll go back to lurking.

>

> My apologies,

> Betty

> Re: Hello

> >

> >

> > Wait a minute...let me get this straight. You were over 300

pounds

> > and now are 157 (10 pounds from a low) and you think you're

getting

> > fat again?

> >

> > Maybe that's just where your body is comfortable. Now if you

gain 30

> > pounds and are still gaining, that's another thing.

> >

> > If you are eating in a healthy fashion, exercising moderately

and

> > know in your heart of hearts you are living well, then to hell

with

> > the scale! It's about being healthy, and obsessing over

numbers is

> > not healthy.

> >

> > Having said that, I will commismerate because my last plateau

started

> > giving me the heavie geevies a day or two before it FINALLY

ended.

> >

> > You can always keep a food diary for a week. Only 300

calories a

> > day, a couple of Costco samples, two cookies or a specialty

coffee,

> > will add a pound a week.

> >

> > Progress, not perfection. Just keep on the path, and get back

on it

> > as quick as you can when you fall. It's the ones who say to

heck

> > with it and lose sight who fail. I should know...I did it.

But it's

> > not to late even for me.

> >

> > Vicki A.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > In a message dated 10/27/2002 5:36:02 AM Pacific Standard

Time,

> > > bhopple@t... writes:

> > >

> > >

> > > > go on a diet... loose weight.. change my behavior, etc....

then

> > all of a

> > > > sudden the body starts putting it back on... *sigh*...

depression

> > sets in

> > > > and weight goes back on with a vengeance. This was the

cycle

> > before the

> > > > WLS.... now it is looking as though I may end up going

through

> > this same

> > > > thing again???????.......

> > >

> > > Betty, I have no advice whatsoever for you, just a

frighteningly

> > sympathetic

> > > shoulder to cry on. I thought the answer was my thyroid,

but after

> > two

> > > series of abnormal resorts, my full thyroid panel came back

> > completely and

> > > absolutely normal. In my quest to lose the last 15 - 20 lbs

(which

> > now

> > > includes the 7 I regained), I initially lost 7 lbs., and now

am

> > watching in

> > > horror as the weight hurls itself back onto my body. I have

gained

> > 5 lbs. in

> > > a week - no, it's not my period it's not muscle gain, etc.

etc.

> > In one

> > > little corner of my mind I am absolutely fascinated that my

body

> > can gain

> > > weight on 1500 calories a day - which is exactly what it did

pre-

> > op. The

> > > rest of my mind is screaming frantically.

> > >

> > > Yesterday, I did what any other red-blooded American does

when

> > confronted

> > > with this phenomena. I ate 20 little snack-sized candy

bars.

> > There, that'll

> > > teach my body who's in charge!

> > >

> > > Going to the gym now to do penance.....I'll be thinking of

you

> > Betty! You

> > > can join my own private " going through heck " club which

includes me

> > and

> > > Helene, and now you!! Woo Hoo!!

> > >

> > > Kate

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Vicki, and all....

It's late, I'm in a rambling mood, here goes...

Your doctor must have been smoking crack that day. Any long distance runner

will tell you that they eat CONSTANTLY in order to keep up with the

energy/calorie expenditure of long distance running. Any distance runner

eating 1500 cals a day would be dead within a few short weeks.

*grumble-snort*

I hate people who perpetuate these kinds of myths, that doc needs to be

bonked upside the head!

And this whole thread on weight gain. It totally blows my mind how little

the medical community really knows about obesity. It's causes and all that.

It's amazing how what works for one person absolutely does not work for the

next. I wonder about hormones, and about the power of the mind over the

body. I am beginning to believe more and more in self-healing... If a

person believes the placebo will work as well as the medication, it most

likely will... medical fact. Please don't think that I believe we all don't

want it badly enough. If it were all about the mind, I'd have been a size 6

YEARS ago. I just wonder about how it all works together... If we put as

much effort into our mental state as we do the state of our bodies, what

could we accomplish?

*sigh*

I'm 5'4 " and I wear a size 6. I also weigh between 146 and 150 lbs on most

days. Muscle " weighs " more than fat, and we former fatties had to have a

lot of muscle in order to haul our fat around. I'd go more by the measuring

tape and the size rack than scale any day! Of course, this does not keep me

from hopping on the scale every morning and freaking out when I get over 150

*smirk*

Well... we are all human, and can only do so much. We all need to take it

easy on ourselves and try to change our " relationship " with food. After 18

months I'm barely learning to be comfortable with not being numbed up with

food all the time, and actually feeling my feelings. sheesh.

Halloween candy is evil...

'Nuff said,

http://www.eradain.com/apoplexy

Re: Hello

Before wls I worked out 4 days a week, ate 1400 calories a

day..journaled and KNEW I was clean..went from 320 to 265 and just

plain stopped. My Dr. said long distance runners only eat 1500 cal a

day and run extensively (hard to believe...but they are really

skinny). When he said that I went into a big depression thinking no

matter how hard I tried i would always be fat...frankly I knew I was

putting out the max effort I could on a lifelong basis, and it was

hard.

[Guest guest]

<

>

I asked one of my good friends what he ate in a typical day - he is a swimmer.

Used to be a runner but his knees gave out. When he ran, he ran 8 miles a day,

5 days a week. Now that he swims, he swims 10 miles a day, 4-5 days a week. He

is 6'1 " . He eats approximately 2000 calories a day. By all rights, he should

be eating something like 3500 safely, but he can't. Everyone's different.

Kate

[Guest guest]

Hi Christy,

Welcome! My name is Alyssa and I have a 4 year old named and he is anaphylactic to peanuts, brazil nuts, and cashews. He is allergic to all nuts, so we keep him away from every kind. He also has eczema and dairy, soy, and high acid foods irritate his eczema so we keep him away or limit his intake of those foods. I have a daughter who is 22 months and she has no allergies! Yay!

Anyway, I look forward to chatting with you! If you go to the website of this group, there is something called a database, there is a place where you can write down your name, your child's name and their allergies, so we can keep track of who is allergic to what. Also, there are tons on links as well that you can check out. If you have any that you would like to add please feel free to do so! I am really happy that you joined! There are some great people on this loop!

Alyssa

mom to (4) anaphylactic to peanuts, brazil nuts, and cashew nuts. Allergic to all nuts. Has Eczema which dairy, soy, and high acid foods irritates

Hello

Hi! I am new to the group and am looking to share recipes and other info on food allergies. I am the Mother of 3 kids, i have 2 sons 4.5 and Sam 2.5. They have no food allergies. I also have a daughter Abby 18 months who has eczema and is allergic to milk, eggs, peanuts and is avoiding all tree nuts, oranges and strawberries. We found out in May that Abby has FAs, her formula was causing eczema that the dermatologist told me not to worry about. She had a reaction to a pb cracker (hives) and then we were told to go to an allergist. Abby cleared up wonderfully for a little while, had her skin test and blood test and tested negative to milk and eggs but Dr said she is allergic so we are avoiding. Christy

[Guest guest]

welcome kath. have u been to obesityhelp to check out your doc's

reviews?

lori h.

> Hi

>

> I'm the new kid on the block...I have gone to Atlanta and have

visted

> with Dr. Duncans group. So now I'm waiting....

>

> I have heard lots of good things about Dr. Duncan. If there is

anyone

> out-there that has had this surgery. Let me know.. Kath

[Guest guest]

welcome kath. have u been to obesityhelp to check out your doc's

reviews?

lori h.

> Hi

>

> I'm the new kid on the block...I have gone to Atlanta and have

visted

> with Dr. Duncans group. So now I'm waiting....

>

> I have heard lots of good things about Dr. Duncan. If there is

anyone

> out-there that has had this surgery. Let me know.. Kath

[Guest guest]

welcome kath. have u been to obesityhelp to check out your doc's

reviews?

lori h.

> Hi

>

> I'm the new kid on the block...I have gone to Atlanta and have

visted

> with Dr. Duncans group. So now I'm waiting....

>

> I have heard lots of good things about Dr. Duncan. If there is

anyone

> out-there that has had this surgery. Let me know.. Kath

[Guest guest]

Taryn,

I did not have a carcelage during the other pregnancies, only with the last one. My doctor was not sure if I had an incompetent cervix or whether the last loss (the only other loss in the second trimester) was related to the IC. I had insisted on the carcelage and they had put it in. Apparently I have a very irritable uterus and the doctors don't know why that happens. There was no infection this time, yet I started to contract at around 18th week. Not sure if I will have the same problem with the abd. carcelage or not. Will have to find a doctor with a lot of experience before going for this last step. I applaud your courage to go through with another try for it must be quite scary to do. Do many women stay on bed rest after the transabd. carcelage? Where is your doctor located? What is the success rate for the doctor that you have decided to use?

Thanks again for responding.

Blessings,

Zhenia

[Guest guest]

Hi Ghislaine,

I understand perfectly the reasons to take a break from trying to get pregnant. Its an incredible emotional drain on you, your husband and on all those close to you. I am also not sure as to what to do next. Trying to find as much info as possible in the meantime. I think that I will need to see a reproductive endocrinologist first. then, move on to the next doctor and see what he has to offer.

Let me know how your search for the right answers/doctors is going.

Blessings,

Zhenia

[Guest guest]

Hi Ghislaine,

I understand perfectly the reasons to take a break from trying to get pregnant. Its an incredible emotional drain on you, your husband and on all those close to you. I am also not sure as to what to do next. Trying to find as much info as possible in the meantime. I think that I will need to see a reproductive endocrinologist first. then, move on to the next doctor and see what he has to offer.

Let me know how your search for the right answers/doctors is going.

Blessings,

Zhenia

[Guest guest]

Hi Ghislaine,

I understand perfectly the reasons to take a break from trying to get pregnant. Its an incredible emotional drain on you, your husband and on all those close to you. I am also not sure as to what to do next. Trying to find as much info as possible in the meantime. I think that I will need to see a reproductive endocrinologist first. then, move on to the next doctor and see what he has to offer.

Let me know how your search for the right answers/doctors is going.

Blessings,

Zhenia

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I am trying to slowly put myself back together, but it looks like I have a long road ahead of me. I have scheduled a consultation for January with one of the doctors that was recommended in NYC, Dr. Alan Berkley. I hope that I get a good feeling about him and that he makes me feel comfortable enough about this last option. Over the last 4-5 years I have began to trust doctors less and less, realizing how much they still don't know. you are right, sometimes, the more you know, the scarier things get. In situations like this it helps to keep faith in something that can give the spirit strength.

Did your doctor give you an option for surgery before or after you get pregnant? It seems that some only do surgeries after conception and others before?

Thanks a lot,

Zhenia

[Guest guest]

I had Class II, but there are lots of Class IIIs here. Also check out

Fiddlesticks' geocities cite, and the OSS2 site (I think both

are in the links, as is a lot of other info.)

Good wishes to you. What you gonna have, and when do you think you'll

have it?

Cammie

>

> I'm new to the group and I've been thinking about having this

surgery

> done. I have tons of questions, I have a class III bite and would

> love to correspond with someone thats had this surgery.

>

> Thanks

[Guest guest]

I had Class II, but there are lots of Class IIIs here. Also check out

Fiddlesticks' geocities cite, and the OSS2 site (I think both

are in the links, as is a lot of other info.)

Good wishes to you. What you gonna have, and when do you think you'll

have it?

Cammie

>

> I'm new to the group and I've been thinking about having this

surgery

> done. I have tons of questions, I have a class III bite and would

> love to correspond with someone thats had this surgery.

>

> Thanks

[Guest guest]

I must confess, I am not up on the proper lingo, so I don't know a Class II from

a Class III. What I do know is that I had upper/lower/genio surgery to correct

and open bite, cross bite, and facial assymetry and I'd be happy to correspond

with anybody about this.

Sharon

Re: Hello

I had Class II, but there are lots of Class IIIs here. Also check out

Fiddlesticks' geocities cite, and the OSS2 site (I think both

are in the links, as is a lot of other info.)

Good wishes to you. What you gonna have, and when do you think you'll

have it?

Cammie

>

> I'm new to the group and I've been thinking about having this

surgery

> done. I have tons of questions, I have a class III bite and would

> love to correspond with someone thats had this surgery.

>

> Thanks

[Guest guest]

I must confess, I am not up on the proper lingo, so I don't know a Class II from

a Class III. What I do know is that I had upper/lower/genio surgery to correct

and open bite, cross bite, and facial assymetry and I'd be happy to correspond

with anybody about this.

Sharon

Re: Hello

I had Class II, but there are lots of Class IIIs here. Also check out

Fiddlesticks' geocities cite, and the OSS2 site (I think both

are in the links, as is a lot of other info.)

Good wishes to you. What you gonna have, and when do you think you'll

have it?

Cammie

>

> I'm new to the group and I've been thinking about having this

surgery

> done. I have tons of questions, I have a class III bite and would

> love to correspond with someone thats had this surgery.

>

> Thanks

[Guest guest]

Go to Fiddlesticks' geocities site, (look in the links) where

there are a list of FAQs for surgery etc.

Cammie

> Hello: I have read your emails with interest the past two weeks.

I

> have received insurance approval for upper and lower jaw surgery.

> Mostly, I want to do this, but am sort of frightened about it.

What

> questions did you ask (or wish you had asked) before you had

surgery?

> Thanks

[Guest guest]

Hi, ... welcome to the group... I know what you mean about the high cost

of strips, especially if you don't have insurance, until recently I had to foot

the cost of the strips/meter/lancets and then bill my insurance, which kept

losing the paperwork when it came to refunding part of the cost..

My Doctor had prescribed the one touch ultra, which is a excellent brand, but

about the most expensive on the market..at 80.00 US and up for the testing

strips, I could not afford them even with the insurance, I came across

www.diabetesnet.com , doing some research on the net... they offer a meter

called quiktek, and it comes in a value pack, that costs around 45.00 including

meter/100 strips/carry case, etc... and this also includes the cost of

shipping.. I compared the meter against my onetouch and the readings are the

same..

another place you can check is Ebay, they auction diabetes stuff on there all

the time..but you have to be careful that the strips are not out-dated... hope

this helps...

Carmen

[alldiabeticinternational] Hello

Just wished to say thank you for inviting me and all. I am a 43 yr old woman

and have had diabetes 10 years now. Not always good with what I do and am

definitely lacking lately. I KNOW I need to do the BG test before I eat and

after to recheck what works and what doesn¹t. But I don¹t have insurance and

need to get another meter too. Right now the strips would be a buck a piece.

I am getting confused with the way everyone eats. Low carb high protein low

meat more veggies what. Haha.

What is Onormal¹ anymore.

Well ok longer than I wanted. Sorry.

Yours

--

The pleasure of love is in loving. We are happier in the passion we feel

than in that we arouse.

La Rochefoucauld

[Guest guest]

> I am type 2 and have been for

> about 7 years I have tried to

> do it on my own with diet and

> exercise but not doing too

> good.

You have done mighty well to keep

going for 7 years on diet and

exercise, e - I bet that

is well above average.

> I guess because doc wants me

> to start glucophage 500mg once a

> day. They did the test to see

> what my overall bg are running

> and it was 7 she doesn't want

> them higher than 6.5 doesn't

> seem like a big difference here

> so I'm wondering do I need the

> meds?

It isn't a big difference in the

number but there is a threshold.

The curve of risk of complications

makes a bend upwards between 6.5%

and 7% HbA1c and it is considered

important to stay below 6.5% or so.

> My bg are always below 250.

You should be able to do a lot

better than that with 500mg

Glucophage/day.

> I am so scared to take the

> medicine because I fear side

> effects.

I have been taking 500mg/day since

1999 and never had any side effects.

Some people get some stomach upset

at first but it soon passes off.

If you go for regular checkups

your physician will take you off

it before you get any significant

side effects.

> I mostly fear my sugar getting too

> low can anyone tell me what to

> expect.

Glucophage delays the liver releasing

glucose back into the blood, delays

the resorption of glucose in the gut,

and increases the take-up of glucose

by muscle and fatt cells and even in

large doses does NOT cause hypos.

It is used all over the world and,

with regular medical supervision,

is harmless.

> My tryglycerides are very high

> to normal is 150 mine are over 500.

You don't mention your weight,

e! The most important number

for a type 2 diabetic is your body

weight and your waist measurement.

If you are overweight, reducing it

is the best thing you can spend

your efforts on. It makes all the

difference between increasing your

Glucophage dose as the years go by

and going back off it altogether!

Regards

Thornton

Pforzheim, Germany

[Guest guest]

> I am type 2 and have been for

> about 7 years I have tried to

> do it on my own with diet and

> exercise but not doing too

> good.

You have done mighty well to keep

going for 7 years on diet and

exercise, e - I bet that

is well above average.

> I guess because doc wants me

> to start glucophage 500mg once a

> day. They did the test to see

> what my overall bg are running

> and it was 7 she doesn't want

> them higher than 6.5 doesn't

> seem like a big difference here

> so I'm wondering do I need the

> meds?

It isn't a big difference in the

number but there is a threshold.

The curve of risk of complications

makes a bend upwards between 6.5%

and 7% HbA1c and it is considered

important to stay below 6.5% or so.

> My bg are always below 250.

You should be able to do a lot

better than that with 500mg

Glucophage/day.

> I am so scared to take the

> medicine because I fear side

> effects.

I have been taking 500mg/day since

1999 and never had any side effects.

Some people get some stomach upset

at first but it soon passes off.

If you go for regular checkups

your physician will take you off

it before you get any significant

side effects.

> I mostly fear my sugar getting too

> low can anyone tell me what to

> expect.

Glucophage delays the liver releasing

glucose back into the blood, delays

the resorption of glucose in the gut,

and increases the take-up of glucose

by muscle and fatt cells and even in

large doses does NOT cause hypos.

It is used all over the world and,

with regular medical supervision,

is harmless.

> My tryglycerides are very high

> to normal is 150 mine are over 500.

You don't mention your weight,

e! The most important number

for a type 2 diabetic is your body

weight and your waist measurement.

If you are overweight, reducing it

is the best thing you can spend

your efforts on. It makes all the

difference between increasing your

Glucophage dose as the years go by

and going back off it altogether!

Regards

Thornton

Pforzheim, Germany

[Guest guest]

e,

Glucophage shouldn't bring your levels down too low. Some of the other meds

will do that but not glucophage.

Les

[alldiabeticinternational] Hello

It's me e from Atlanta Ga. I am 38 married an an ordained

minister. I am type 2 and have been for about 7 years I

have tried to do it on my own with diet and exercise but not doing to

good I guess becaue doc wants me to start glucophage 500mg once a

day. They did the test to see what my overall bg are running and it

was 7 she doesn't want them higher than 6.5 doesn't seem like a big

difference here so I'm wondering do I need the meds? My bg are always

below 250. I am so scared to take the medicine because I fear side

effects. I mostly fear my sugar getting to low can anyone tell me

what to expect. My tryglycerides are very high to normal is 150 mine

are over 500. I have began a group for diabetes and hope you might

want to join me there so we can share there as well as here. Thank

you. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Diabeticswithlove/

e

[Guest guest]

Hi e,

I'm in very much the same position. Persuaded them to let

me stay diet only provided I improved readings. However I have drifted up to

7 again & unless I lose weight/exercise more it's going to happen.

Negotiate - it's a good motivator. Best Wishes

from UK

[alldiabeticinternational] Hello

> It's me e from Atlanta Ga. I am 38 married an an ordained

> minister. I am type 2 and have been for about 7 years I

> have tried to do it on my own with diet and exercise but not doing to

> good I guess becaue doc wants me to start glucophage 500mg once a

> day. They did the test to see what my overall bg are running and it

> was 7 she doesn't want them higher than 6.5 doesn't seem like a big

> difference here so I'm wondering do I need the meds? My bg are always

> below 250. I am so scared to take the medicine because I fear side

> effects. I mostly fear my sugar getting to low can anyone tell me

> what to expect. My tryglycerides are very high to normal is 150 mine

> are over 500. I have began a group for diabetes and hope you might

> want to join me there so we can share there as well as here. Thank

> you. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Diabeticswithlove/

>

> e

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi from Southern California. Both my husband and I are diabetics.

He is insulin dependent. I was recently diagnosed. I am taking

medication. We have a 4 yr old daughter. I look forward to learning

more about this condition.