Re: Dillon

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>

> I thought Aspies were notoriously honest?

Lou?

Salli

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>

> I thought Aspies were notoriously honest?

Lou?

Salli

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> > I thought Aspies were notoriously honest?

>

> Lou?

Oh yeah.

OH NO!

Sissi

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> > I thought Aspies were notoriously honest?

>

> Lou?

Oh yeah.

OH NO!

Sissi

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> > > I thought Aspies were notoriously honest?

> >

> > Lou?

>

> Oh yeah.

>

> OH NO!

>

Actually the problem with Aspies is that they are WEIRDLY honest. In some

this means simply always telling the truth. But however they are honest, it

is seldom the way we NTs would be (I am sure Sissi is NT...) Lou seldom is

conscious, in my opinion, of telling a lie. He believes what he says. He

still seems fairly unconscious of stealing money.

But, you know? I think that if the previous editors of the journal he

embezzled money had sat him down and said, " Now, Lou, you must never touch

this money except for _____ " and given him a nice list of things he could

use the money for, well, I think he would have done exactly that. But they

gave him no rules at all (except the supremely unhelpful comment, " No one

knows this money even exists! You could take it all and go to Acapulco, "

what a thing to say to an Aspie!) and so he made up his own.

Most of us would have known the rules without being told. But he didn't.

One thing I learned as I was trying to decide if Enrique was on the spectrum

is that it is a very strange and complicated place where the outside of each

ASD person is as vastly different as their insides may be similar. You have

to figure them out inside out kind of, or it might be more accurate to say

you need to take the outside quality and follow it inside to see if it comes

from any of the ASD areas.

Having rambled on in a probably totally confusing way, I have to add that I

have no idea if Dillon is an Aspie or not.

Useless Salli

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> > > I thought Aspies were notoriously honest?

> >

> > Lou?

>

> Oh yeah.

>

> OH NO!

>

Actually the problem with Aspies is that they are WEIRDLY honest. In some

this means simply always telling the truth. But however they are honest, it

is seldom the way we NTs would be (I am sure Sissi is NT...) Lou seldom is

conscious, in my opinion, of telling a lie. He believes what he says. He

still seems fairly unconscious of stealing money.

But, you know? I think that if the previous editors of the journal he

embezzled money had sat him down and said, " Now, Lou, you must never touch

this money except for _____ " and given him a nice list of things he could

use the money for, well, I think he would have done exactly that. But they

gave him no rules at all (except the supremely unhelpful comment, " No one

knows this money even exists! You could take it all and go to Acapulco, "

what a thing to say to an Aspie!) and so he made up his own.

Most of us would have known the rules without being told. But he didn't.

One thing I learned as I was trying to decide if Enrique was on the spectrum

is that it is a very strange and complicated place where the outside of each

ASD person is as vastly different as their insides may be similar. You have

to figure them out inside out kind of, or it might be more accurate to say

you need to take the outside quality and follow it inside to see if it comes

from any of the ASD areas.

Having rambled on in a probably totally confusing way, I have to add that I

have no idea if Dillon is an Aspie or not.

Useless Salli

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> If he just comes home and does not TELL you what the problem is, that's

> pretty different than actually telling a different story all together.

> Which one does he do?

He tells WHOPPERS! Remember the bus story?

Turns in old homework with the date changed.

Sometimes he just makes up crazy stories for no apparent reason.

And of course, NOTHING is ever HIS fault.

Sissi

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> If he just comes home and does not TELL you what the problem is, that's

> pretty different than actually telling a different story all together.

> Which one does he do?

He tells WHOPPERS! Remember the bus story?

Turns in old homework with the date changed.

Sometimes he just makes up crazy stories for no apparent reason.

And of course, NOTHING is ever HIS fault.

Sissi

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> If he just comes home and does not TELL you what the problem is, that's

> pretty different than actually telling a different story all together.

> Which one does he do?

He tells WHOPPERS! Remember the bus story?

Turns in old homework with the date changed.

Sometimes he just makes up crazy stories for no apparent reason.

And of course, NOTHING is ever HIS fault.

Sissi

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> And of course, NOTHING is ever HIS fault. >

Well, this one is just because he is a guy, right? ;-)

Raena (who lives by Grandma's motto: There never was a man born who

was to blame for anything.)

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>

> And of course, NOTHING is ever HIS fault. >

Well, this one is just because he is a guy, right? ;-)

Raena (who lives by Grandma's motto: There never was a man born who

was to blame for anything.)

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>

> And of course, NOTHING is ever HIS fault. >

Well, this one is just because he is a guy, right? ;-)

Raena (who lives by Grandma's motto: There never was a man born who

was to blame for anything.)

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> >

> > I thought Aspies were notoriously honest?

>

> Lou?

can tell you stories that you really have to question to decide if

they are true or not........

Sue

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> >

> > I thought Aspies were notoriously honest?

>

> Lou?

can tell you stories that you really have to question to decide if

they are true or not........

Sue

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Sissi,

Do you supppose it's possible that he could be aspergers and that maybe the

depression, or even the age (nearing puberty) and hormones could be causing

things to show up more? I highly suspect that my brother is an aspie and

just slid through school without supports or being noticed. Haven't you

mentioned other things in Dillon's past that could be looked at as aspergers

type behaviors, the few friends, the high IQ, the giftedness, the music? It

could just be that more issues are finally manifesting themselves right now,

or that the areas he's been weaker in all along are becoming more apparent

because of his age and the social demands he now faces. At least if this

is what it is, you would be familiar with what he might need to help him

smooth back out. I thought you had said that the other syndrome PDAS didn't

really sound like him after all?

Do the problems he's having on the bus and in the lunchroom sound like

things that could have been misinterpretations of the sort a spectrum person

might make?

Keep us posted after you see the Dr. . I hope the Zoloft helps him, too.

Big hugs,

Sue

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Sissi,

Do you supppose it's possible that he could be aspergers and that maybe the

depression, or even the age (nearing puberty) and hormones could be causing

things to show up more? I highly suspect that my brother is an aspie and

just slid through school without supports or being noticed. Haven't you

mentioned other things in Dillon's past that could be looked at as aspergers

type behaviors, the few friends, the high IQ, the giftedness, the music? It

could just be that more issues are finally manifesting themselves right now,

or that the areas he's been weaker in all along are becoming more apparent

because of his age and the social demands he now faces. At least if this

is what it is, you would be familiar with what he might need to help him

smooth back out. I thought you had said that the other syndrome PDAS didn't

really sound like him after all?

Do the problems he's having on the bus and in the lunchroom sound like

things that could have been misinterpretations of the sort a spectrum person

might make?

Keep us posted after you see the Dr. . I hope the Zoloft helps him, too.

Big hugs,

Sue

[Guest guest]

Sissi,

Do you supppose it's possible that he could be aspergers and that maybe the

depression, or even the age (nearing puberty) and hormones could be causing

things to show up more? I highly suspect that my brother is an aspie and

just slid through school without supports or being noticed. Haven't you

mentioned other things in Dillon's past that could be looked at as aspergers

type behaviors, the few friends, the high IQ, the giftedness, the music? It

could just be that more issues are finally manifesting themselves right now,

or that the areas he's been weaker in all along are becoming more apparent

because of his age and the social demands he now faces. At least if this

is what it is, you would be familiar with what he might need to help him

smooth back out. I thought you had said that the other syndrome PDAS didn't

really sound like him after all?

Do the problems he's having on the bus and in the lunchroom sound like

things that could have been misinterpretations of the sort a spectrum person

might make?

Keep us posted after you see the Dr. . I hope the Zoloft helps him, too.

Big hugs,

Sue

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> > Also, his renal labs have remained normal for a full year (normal for

> Dillon anyway +1 proteinuria/+3 hematuria). NS (nephrotic syndrome) is

> officially in remission.

I'm so happy for you all!!!

Sue

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> > Also, his renal labs have remained normal for a full year (normal for

> Dillon anyway +1 proteinuria/+3 hematuria). NS (nephrotic syndrome) is

> officially in remission.

I'm so happy for you all!!!

Sue

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> > Also, his renal labs have remained normal for a full year (normal for

> Dillon anyway +1 proteinuria/+3 hematuria). NS (nephrotic syndrome) is

> officially in remission.

I'm so happy for you all!!!

Sue

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>

> does that, now, too. Like if some kid (Ben) went to Disney

> world, will say he'd been there too, AND met Walt Disney and

> had free whatever the whole time. And I think that at that moment

> he truly believes it's true, simply because he's thought of it. >

You know what that sounds like, Jacquie? Like little kids (say,

three or four) who start talking about something real, and then it

grows and grows...and they seem to believe it--mainly because they

can't separate reality from fantasy?

So maybe the problem is that it is an immature thinking pattern?

Raena (who is just making this up, too...)

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>

> does that, now, too. Like if some kid (Ben) went to Disney

> world, will say he'd been there too, AND met Walt Disney and

> had free whatever the whole time. And I think that at that moment

> he truly believes it's true, simply because he's thought of it. >

You know what that sounds like, Jacquie? Like little kids (say,

three or four) who start talking about something real, and then it

grows and grows...and they seem to believe it--mainly because they

can't separate reality from fantasy?

So maybe the problem is that it is an immature thinking pattern?

Raena (who is just making this up, too...)

[Guest guest]

>

> does that, now, too. Like if some kid (Ben) went to Disney

> world, will say he'd been there too, AND met Walt Disney and

> had free whatever the whole time. And I think that at that moment

> he truly believes it's true, simply because he's thought of it. >

You know what that sounds like, Jacquie? Like little kids (say,

three or four) who start talking about something real, and then it

grows and grows...and they seem to believe it--mainly because they

can't separate reality from fantasy?

So maybe the problem is that it is an immature thinking pattern?

Raena (who is just making this up, too...)

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Re: Dillon

> I thought you had said that the other syndrome PDAS didn't

> really sound like him after all?

No. I've always said this sounded EXACTLY like him. It's on the ASD spectrum

but is quite a bit different. In fact, Shattock on the SJU list said

PDAS would fit Dillon -- but it's a UK diagnosis and not used in the US. Ped

said schizoid personality disorder -- that doesn't sound like Dillon at all.

Here's what Shattock said about Dillon and PDAS:

" The diagnosis is used in the UK but not that extensively. It is applicable

to a subgroup of people within the PDD spectrum but it is not autism. I was

heavily involved (in a voluntary way) in running a school a few years back.

There was one particular girl who was " Autistic " but just did not fit the

mould. She was very bright and very funny but gave us more problems than all

the others put together. She could tell lies as easily as blink. It was not

until I attended a lecture on PDA that I realised that she was virtually

describing Miss X.

Of course, it is impossible to diagnose over the internet and I am not

competent to diagnose in any case but, well, it could fit. "

> Do the problems he's having on the bus and in the lunchroom sound like

> things that could have been misinterpretations of the sort a spectrum

person

> might make?

I don't know. Hell, I don't even know if he's telling the truth most of the

time.

Thanks, Sue.

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Re: Dillon

> I thought you had said that the other syndrome PDAS didn't

> really sound like him after all?

No. I've always said this sounded EXACTLY like him. It's on the ASD spectrum

but is quite a bit different. In fact, Shattock on the SJU list said

PDAS would fit Dillon -- but it's a UK diagnosis and not used in the US. Ped

said schizoid personality disorder -- that doesn't sound like Dillon at all.

Here's what Shattock said about Dillon and PDAS:

" The diagnosis is used in the UK but not that extensively. It is applicable

to a subgroup of people within the PDD spectrum but it is not autism. I was

heavily involved (in a voluntary way) in running a school a few years back.

There was one particular girl who was " Autistic " but just did not fit the

mould. She was very bright and very funny but gave us more problems than all

the others put together. She could tell lies as easily as blink. It was not

until I attended a lecture on PDA that I realised that she was virtually

describing Miss X.

Of course, it is impossible to diagnose over the internet and I am not

competent to diagnose in any case but, well, it could fit. "

> Do the problems he's having on the bus and in the lunchroom sound like

> things that could have been misinterpretations of the sort a spectrum

person

> might make?

I don't know. Hell, I don't even know if he's telling the truth most of the

time.

Thanks, Sue.