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I can tell your one of the proud Texans that we rank 48th or 49th for Child

Care. Why don't we put a sign up at the state line saying this and we can be

real proud, but the state line isn't between Tyler and Abilene. You couldn't see

it could you? So I'll take the sarcasm in stride while children are in homes and

on the street homeless and sick, but I'm also pretty sure you didn't stop at a

homeless shelter to volunteer to even take a blood pressure for one of them or

look at the ribs sticking out from illness and hunger. You can make fun about,

or join those of us who LOVE children and WON " T stand by can settle to be 48 or

49th that your seem to be so proud of. I guess you just assume the child

predators can protect them also. I can really see you care about children " NOT " .

Ron

8 ways

>

> 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without

> coverage

>

> 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> companies

> will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical

> history.

> 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> they can charge

> for out-of-pocket expenses.

> 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> fully

> cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> prevent

> illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies

> will

> be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> those

> who become seriously ill.

> 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited

> from charging you more because of your gender.

> 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> will be

> prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> receive.

> 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be

> eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> required to

> renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> full.

> Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> someone became

> sick.

>

> 8 common myths about health insurance reform

>

> 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth that

> reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> " rationing. "

> To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are

> currently being used by insurance companies.

> 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> It's a

> myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> President has

> identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> by cutting

> waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> ending

> big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with

> such

> steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> term,

> reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> fiscal crisis.

> 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> malicious

> myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> seniors. For

> seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> end-of

> life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> difficult family

> decisions.

> 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> insurance

> reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the

> contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> under the VA,

> extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> excluded. The VA

> Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> veterans.

> 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> that

> health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary,

> reform

> will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> help them

> pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> firms

> who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> Health

> Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> the

> contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

> Medicare,

> ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> subsidies to

> insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> to make

> prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> force you

> out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> To the

> contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is

> an

> absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts.

> Health

> insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> more

> convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> like paying

> a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or

> by a

> direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> will be

> easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> of privacy

> will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> make.

>

>

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I can tell your one of the proud Texans that we rank 48th or 49th for Child

Care. Why don't we put a sign up at the state line saying this and we can be

real proud, but the state line isn't between Tyler and Abilene. You couldn't see

it could you? So I'll take the sarcasm in stride while children are in homes and

on the street homeless and sick, but I'm also pretty sure you didn't stop at a

homeless shelter to volunteer to even take a blood pressure for one of them or

look at the ribs sticking out from illness and hunger. You can make fun about,

or join those of us who LOVE children and WON " T stand by can settle to be 48 or

49th that your seem to be so proud of. I guess you just assume the child

predators can protect them also. I can really see you care about children " NOT " .

Ron

8 ways

>

> 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without

> coverage

>

> 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> companies

> will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical

> history.

> 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> they can charge

> for out-of-pocket expenses.

> 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> fully

> cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> prevent

> illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies

> will

> be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> those

> who become seriously ill.

> 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited

> from charging you more because of your gender.

> 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> will be

> prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> receive.

> 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be

> eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> required to

> renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> full.

> Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> someone became

> sick.

>

> 8 common myths about health insurance reform

>

> 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth that

> reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> " rationing. "

> To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are

> currently being used by insurance companies.

> 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> It's a

> myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> President has

> identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> by cutting

> waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> ending

> big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with

> such

> steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> term,

> reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> fiscal crisis.

> 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> malicious

> myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> seniors. For

> seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> end-of

> life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> difficult family

> decisions.

> 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> insurance

> reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the

> contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> under the VA,

> extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> excluded. The VA

> Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> veterans.

> 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> that

> health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary,

> reform

> will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> help them

> pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> firms

> who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> Health

> Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> the

> contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

> Medicare,

> ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> subsidies to

> insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> to make

> prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> force you

> out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> To the

> contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is

> an

> absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts.

> Health

> insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> more

> convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> like paying

> a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or

> by a

> direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> will be

> easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> of privacy

> will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> make.

>

>

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Do you think Medicare, Medicaid, are not Socialized Medicine. This Country has

Socialized Medicine in bits and piece, but no one has the guts to admit it. They

borrow money every year from Medicare, and Social Security for anything they

want to pay for, and that is why it will be broke in a few years, but that will

be fixed. Count on it.

Ron

8 ways

> > >

> > > 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without

> > > coverage

> > >

> > > 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> > > companies

> > > will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical

> > > history.

> > > 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> > > Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> > > they can charge

> > > for out-of-pocket expenses.

> > > 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> > > fully

> > > cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> > > prevent

> > > illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> > > 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies

> > > will

> > > be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> > > those

> > > who become seriously ill.

> > > 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited

> > > from charging you more because of your gender.

> > > 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> > > will be

> > > prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> > > receive.

> > > 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be

> > > eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> > > 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> > > required to

> > > renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> > > full.

> > > Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> > > someone became

> > > sick.

> > >

> > > 8 common myths about health insurance reform

> > >

> > > 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth that

> > > reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> > > " rationing. "

> > > To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are

> > > currently being used by insurance companies.

> > > 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> > > It's a

> > > myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> > > President has

> > > identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> > > by cutting

> > > waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> > > ending

> > > big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with

> > > such

> > > steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> > > term,

> > > reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> > > fiscal crisis.

> > > 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> > > malicious

> > > myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> > > seniors. For

> > > seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> > > end-of

> > > life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> > > consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> > > difficult family

> > > decisions.

> > > 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> > > insurance

> > > reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the

> > > contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> > > under the VA,

> > > extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> > > excluded. The VA

> > > Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> > > veterans.

> > > 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> > > that

> > > health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary,

> > > reform

> > > will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> > > help them

> > > pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> > > firms

> > > who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> > > 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> > > Health

> > > Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> > > the

> > > contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

> > > Medicare,

> > > ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> > > subsidies to

> > > insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> > > to make

> > > prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> > > 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> > > force you

> > > out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> > > To the

> > > contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> > > 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is

> > > an

> > > absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts.

> > > Health

> > > insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> > > more

> > > convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> > > like paying

> > > a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or

> > > by a

> > > direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> > > will be

> > > easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> > > of privacy

> > > will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> > > make.

> > >

> > >

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Do you think Medicare, Medicaid, are not Socialized Medicine. This Country has

Socialized Medicine in bits and piece, but no one has the guts to admit it. They

borrow money every year from Medicare, and Social Security for anything they

want to pay for, and that is why it will be broke in a few years, but that will

be fixed. Count on it.

Ron

8 ways

> > >

> > > 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without

> > > coverage

> > >

> > > 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> > > companies

> > > will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical

> > > history.

> > > 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> > > Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> > > they can charge

> > > for out-of-pocket expenses.

> > > 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> > > fully

> > > cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> > > prevent

> > > illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> > > 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies

> > > will

> > > be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> > > those

> > > who become seriously ill.

> > > 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited

> > > from charging you more because of your gender.

> > > 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> > > will be

> > > prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> > > receive.

> > > 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be

> > > eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> > > 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> > > required to

> > > renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> > > full.

> > > Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> > > someone became

> > > sick.

> > >

> > > 8 common myths about health insurance reform

> > >

> > > 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth that

> > > reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> > > " rationing. "

> > > To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are

> > > currently being used by insurance companies.

> > > 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> > > It's a

> > > myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> > > President has

> > > identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> > > by cutting

> > > waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> > > ending

> > > big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with

> > > such

> > > steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> > > term,

> > > reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> > > fiscal crisis.

> > > 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> > > malicious

> > > myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> > > seniors. For

> > > seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> > > end-of

> > > life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> > > consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> > > difficult family

> > > decisions.

> > > 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> > > insurance

> > > reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the

> > > contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> > > under the VA,

> > > extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> > > excluded. The VA

> > > Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> > > veterans.

> > > 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> > > that

> > > health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary,

> > > reform

> > > will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> > > help them

> > > pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> > > firms

> > > who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> > > 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> > > Health

> > > Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> > > the

> > > contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

> > > Medicare,

> > > ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> > > subsidies to

> > > insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> > > to make

> > > prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> > > 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> > > force you

> > > out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> > > To the

> > > contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> > > 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is

> > > an

> > > absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts.

> > > Health

> > > insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> > > more

> > > convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> > > like paying

> > > a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or

> > > by a

> > > direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> > > will be

> > > easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> > > of privacy

> > > will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> > > make.

> > >

> > >

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Do you think Medicare, Medicaid, are not Socialized Medicine. This Country has

Socialized Medicine in bits and piece, but no one has the guts to admit it. They

borrow money every year from Medicare, and Social Security for anything they

want to pay for, and that is why it will be broke in a few years, but that will

be fixed. Count on it.

Ron

8 ways

> > >

> > > 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without

> > > coverage

> > >

> > > 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> > > companies

> > > will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical

> > > history.

> > > 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> > > Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> > > they can charge

> > > for out-of-pocket expenses.

> > > 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> > > fully

> > > cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> > > prevent

> > > illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> > > 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies

> > > will

> > > be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> > > those

> > > who become seriously ill.

> > > 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited

> > > from charging you more because of your gender.

> > > 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> > > will be

> > > prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> > > receive.

> > > 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be

> > > eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> > > 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> > > required to

> > > renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> > > full.

> > > Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> > > someone became

> > > sick.

> > >

> > > 8 common myths about health insurance reform

> > >

> > > 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth that

> > > reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> > > " rationing. "

> > > To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are

> > > currently being used by insurance companies.

> > > 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> > > It's a

> > > myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> > > President has

> > > identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> > > by cutting

> > > waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> > > ending

> > > big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with

> > > such

> > > steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> > > term,

> > > reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> > > fiscal crisis.

> > > 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> > > malicious

> > > myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> > > seniors. For

> > > seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> > > end-of

> > > life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> > > consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> > > difficult family

> > > decisions.

> > > 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> > > insurance

> > > reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the

> > > contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> > > under the VA,

> > > extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> > > excluded. The VA

> > > Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> > > veterans.

> > > 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> > > that

> > > health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary,

> > > reform

> > > will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> > > help them

> > > pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> > > firms

> > > who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> > > 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> > > Health

> > > Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> > > the

> > > contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

> > > Medicare,

> > > ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> > > subsidies to

> > > insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> > > to make

> > > prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> > > 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> > > force you

> > > out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> > > To the

> > > contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> > > 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is

> > > an

> > > absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts.

> > > Health

> > > insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> > > more

> > > convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> > > like paying

> > > a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or

> > > by a

> > > direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> > > will be

> > > easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> > > of privacy

> > > will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> > > make.

> > >

> > >

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Ken -

Your attempt at humor is why socialism fails. As long as everyone pulls

their share of the load, socialism works but eventually you run into someone

who is of the opinion that their share of the load should be less. It may

be the " I didn't put it there why should I pick it up " rationale or

" they're getting more than me, why should I work harder? "

In an ideal society, there wouldn't be a need for arguing one way or

another but the ideal society exists only in the minds of idealists. Total

socialism does not work much beyond a small community. The sad fact of life is

there will always be a need for someone to sweep the floors and clean the

toilets as well as someone to lead the pack. Orwell's " Animal Farm "

is a great, albeit fictional, example. Everyone started off equal but

some felt that they deserved more than others. Disharmony soon follows.

Kirk

EMT-B

In a message dated 8/14/2009 17:50:44 Central Daylight Time,

kenneth.navarro@... writes:

wrote: >>> I try and look at socialized medicine as helping

my fellow man rather than the big bad " Socialism " with crossed sickle and

hammer flag!! <<<

I am willing to give socialized medicine a try. What is in it for me?

Kenny Navarro

Dallas

PS. It is a joke, although I conceed that it may be funny only to me.

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What we have heah, is a failyah tew comm-yew-ni-cate.

Yes, Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine. And they suck great

big rocks off the ground when it comes to reimbursing the providers who

accept those forms of payment, and in the efficiency of the programs.

But by all means, let's make them BIGGER. Yeah, that oughta work.

Ron Haussecker wrote:

>

> Do you think Medicare, Medicaid, are not Socialized Medicine. This

> Country has Socialized Medicine in bits and piece, but no one has the

> guts to admit it. They borrow money every year from Medicare, and

> Social Security for anything they want to pay for, and that is why it

> will be broke in a few years, but that will be fixed. Count on it.

> Ron

> 8 ways

> > > >

> > > > 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or

> without

> > > > coverage

> > > >

> > > > 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> > > > companies

> > > > will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your

> medical

> > > > history.

> > > > 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> > > > Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> > > > they can charge

> > > > for out-of-pocket expenses.

> > > > 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> > > > fully

> > > > cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> > > > prevent

> > > > illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> > > > 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies

> > > > will

> > > > be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> > > > those

> > > > who become seriously ill.

> > > > 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be

> prohibited

> > > > from charging you more because of your gender.

> > > > 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> > > > will be

> > > > prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> > > > receive.

> > > > 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be

> > > > eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> > > > 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> > > > required to

> > > > renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> > > > full.

> > > > Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> > > > someone became

> > > > sick.

> > > >

> > > > 8 common myths about health insurance reform

> > > >

> > > > 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth that

> > > > reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> > > > " rationing. "

> > > > To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are

> > > > currently being used by insurance companies.

> > > > 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> > > > It's a

> > > > myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> > > > President has

> > > > identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> > > > by cutting

> > > > waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> > > > ending

> > > > big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with

> > > > such

> > > > steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> > > > term,

> > > > reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> > > > fiscal crisis.

> > > > 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> > > > malicious

> > > > myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> > > > seniors. For

> > > > seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> > > > end-of

> > > > life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> > > > consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> > > > difficult family

> > > > decisions.

> > > > 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> > > > insurance

> > > > reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the

> > > > contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> > > > under the VA,

> > > > extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> > > > excluded. The VA

> > > > Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> > > > veterans.

> > > > 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> > > > that

> > > > health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary,

> > > > reform

> > > > will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> > > > help them

> > > > pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> > > > firms

> > > > who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> > > > 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> > > > Health

> > > > Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> > > > the

> > > > contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

>

> > > > Medicare,

> > > > ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> > > > subsidies to

> > > > insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> > > > to make

> > > > prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> > > > 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> > > > force you

> > > > out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> > > > To the

> > > > contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> > > > 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is

> > > > an

> > > > absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts.

> > > > Health

> > > > insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> > > > more

> > > > convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> > > > like paying

> > > > a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or

> > > > by a

> > > > direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> > > > will be

> > > > easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> > > > of privacy

> > > > will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> > > > make.

> > > >

> > > >

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What we have heah, is a failyah tew comm-yew-ni-cate.

Yes, Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine. And they suck great

big rocks off the ground when it comes to reimbursing the providers who

accept those forms of payment, and in the efficiency of the programs.

But by all means, let's make them BIGGER. Yeah, that oughta work.

Ron Haussecker wrote:

>

> Do you think Medicare, Medicaid, are not Socialized Medicine. This

> Country has Socialized Medicine in bits and piece, but no one has the

> guts to admit it. They borrow money every year from Medicare, and

> Social Security for anything they want to pay for, and that is why it

> will be broke in a few years, but that will be fixed. Count on it.

> Ron

> 8 ways

> > > >

> > > > 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or

> without

> > > > coverage

> > > >

> > > > 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> > > > companies

> > > > will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your

> medical

> > > > history.

> > > > 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> > > > Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> > > > they can charge

> > > > for out-of-pocket expenses.

> > > > 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> > > > fully

> > > > cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> > > > prevent

> > > > illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> > > > 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies

> > > > will

> > > > be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> > > > those

> > > > who become seriously ill.

> > > > 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be

> prohibited

> > > > from charging you more because of your gender.

> > > > 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> > > > will be

> > > > prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> > > > receive.

> > > > 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be

> > > > eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> > > > 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> > > > required to

> > > > renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> > > > full.

> > > > Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> > > > someone became

> > > > sick.

> > > >

> > > > 8 common myths about health insurance reform

> > > >

> > > > 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth that

> > > > reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> > > > " rationing. "

> > > > To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are

> > > > currently being used by insurance companies.

> > > > 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> > > > It's a

> > > > myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> > > > President has

> > > > identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> > > > by cutting

> > > > waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> > > > ending

> > > > big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with

> > > > such

> > > > steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> > > > term,

> > > > reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> > > > fiscal crisis.

> > > > 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> > > > malicious

> > > > myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> > > > seniors. For

> > > > seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> > > > end-of

> > > > life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> > > > consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> > > > difficult family

> > > > decisions.

> > > > 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> > > > insurance

> > > > reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the

> > > > contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> > > > under the VA,

> > > > extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> > > > excluded. The VA

> > > > Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> > > > veterans.

> > > > 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> > > > that

> > > > health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary,

> > > > reform

> > > > will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> > > > help them

> > > > pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> > > > firms

> > > > who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> > > > 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> > > > Health

> > > > Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> > > > the

> > > > contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

>

> > > > Medicare,

> > > > ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> > > > subsidies to

> > > > insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> > > > to make

> > > > prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> > > > 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> > > > force you

> > > > out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> > > > To the

> > > > contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> > > > 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is

> > > > an

> > > > absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts.

> > > > Health

> > > > insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> > > > more

> > > > convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> > > > like paying

> > > > a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or

> > > > by a

> > > > direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> > > > will be

> > > > easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> > > > of privacy

> > > > will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> > > > make.

> > > >

> > > >

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What we have heah, is a failyah tew comm-yew-ni-cate.

Yes, Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine. And they suck great

big rocks off the ground when it comes to reimbursing the providers who

accept those forms of payment, and in the efficiency of the programs.

But by all means, let's make them BIGGER. Yeah, that oughta work.

Ron Haussecker wrote:

>

> Do you think Medicare, Medicaid, are not Socialized Medicine. This

> Country has Socialized Medicine in bits and piece, but no one has the

> guts to admit it. They borrow money every year from Medicare, and

> Social Security for anything they want to pay for, and that is why it

> will be broke in a few years, but that will be fixed. Count on it.

> Ron

> 8 ways

> > > >

> > > > 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or

> without

> > > > coverage

> > > >

> > > > 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> > > > companies

> > > > will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your

> medical

> > > > history.

> > > > 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> > > > Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> > > > they can charge

> > > > for out-of-pocket expenses.

> > > > 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> > > > fully

> > > > cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> > > > prevent

> > > > illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> > > > 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies

> > > > will

> > > > be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> > > > those

> > > > who become seriously ill.

> > > > 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be

> prohibited

> > > > from charging you more because of your gender.

> > > > 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> > > > will be

> > > > prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> > > > receive.

> > > > 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be

> > > > eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> > > > 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> > > > required to

> > > > renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> > > > full.

> > > > Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> > > > someone became

> > > > sick.

> > > >

> > > > 8 common myths about health insurance reform

> > > >

> > > > 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth that

> > > > reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> > > > " rationing. "

> > > > To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are

> > > > currently being used by insurance companies.

> > > > 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> > > > It's a

> > > > myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> > > > President has

> > > > identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> > > > by cutting

> > > > waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> > > > ending

> > > > big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with

> > > > such

> > > > steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> > > > term,

> > > > reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> > > > fiscal crisis.

> > > > 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> > > > malicious

> > > > myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> > > > seniors. For

> > > > seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> > > > end-of

> > > > life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> > > > consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> > > > difficult family

> > > > decisions.

> > > > 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> > > > insurance

> > > > reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the

> > > > contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> > > > under the VA,

> > > > extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> > > > excluded. The VA

> > > > Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> > > > veterans.

> > > > 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> > > > that

> > > > health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary,

> > > > reform

> > > > will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> > > > help them

> > > > pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> > > > firms

> > > > who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> > > > 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> > > > Health

> > > > Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> > > > the

> > > > contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

>

> > > > Medicare,

> > > > ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> > > > subsidies to

> > > > insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> > > > to make

> > > > prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> > > > 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> > > > force you

> > > > out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> > > > To the

> > > > contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> > > > 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is

> > > > an

> > > > absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts.

> > > > Health

> > > > insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> > > > more

> > > > convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> > > > like paying

> > > > a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or

> > > > by a

> > > > direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> > > > will be

> > > > easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> > > > of privacy

> > > > will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> > > > make.

> > > >

> > > >

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I would be happy to get the money I paid in back, but that won't happen.

Ron

8 ways

> > > >

> > > > 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or

> without

> > > > coverage

> > > >

> > > > 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> > > > companies

> > > > will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your

> medical

> > > > history.

> > > > 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> > > > Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> > > > they can charge

> > > > for out-of-pocket expenses.

> > > > 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> > > > fully

> > > > cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> > > > prevent

> > > > illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> > > > 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies

> > > > will

> > > > be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> > > > those

> > > > who become seriously ill.

> > > > 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be

> prohibited

> > > > from charging you more because of your gender.

> > > > 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> > > > will be

> > > > prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> > > > receive.

> > > > 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be

> > > > eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> > > > 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> > > > required to

> > > > renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> > > > full.

> > > > Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> > > > someone became

> > > > sick.

> > > >

> > > > 8 common myths about health insurance reform

> > > >

> > > > 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth that

> > > > reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> > > > " rationing. "

> > > > To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are

> > > > currently being used by insurance companies.

> > > > 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> > > > It's a

> > > > myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> > > > President has

> > > > identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> > > > by cutting

> > > > waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> > > > ending

> > > > big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with

> > > > such

> > > > steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> > > > term,

> > > > reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> > > > fiscal crisis.

> > > > 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> > > > malicious

> > > > myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> > > > seniors. For

> > > > seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> > > > end-of

> > > > life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> > > > consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> > > > difficult family

> > > > decisions.

> > > > 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> > > > insurance

> > > > reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the

> > > > contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> > > > under the VA,

> > > > extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> > > > excluded. The VA

> > > > Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> > > > veterans.

> > > > 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> > > > that

> > > > health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary,

> > > > reform

> > > > will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> > > > help them

> > > > pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> > > > firms

> > > > who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> > > > 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> > > > Health

> > > > Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> > > > the

> > > > contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

>

> > > > Medicare,

> > > > ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> > > > subsidies to

> > > > insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> > > > to make

> > > > prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> > > > 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> > > > force you

> > > > out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> > > > To the

> > > > contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> > > > 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is

> > > > an

> > > > absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts.

> > > > Health

> > > > insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> > > > more

> > > > convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> > > > like paying

> > > > a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or

> > > > by a

> > > > direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> > > > will be

> > > > easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> > > > of privacy

> > > > will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> > > > make.

> > > >

> > > >

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I would be happy to get the money I paid in back, but that won't happen.

Ron

8 ways

> > > >

> > > > 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or

> without

> > > > coverage

> > > >

> > > > 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> > > > companies

> > > > will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your

> medical

> > > > history.

> > > > 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> > > > Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> > > > they can charge

> > > > for out-of-pocket expenses.

> > > > 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> > > > fully

> > > > cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> > > > prevent

> > > > illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> > > > 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies

> > > > will

> > > > be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> > > > those

> > > > who become seriously ill.

> > > > 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be

> prohibited

> > > > from charging you more because of your gender.

> > > > 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> > > > will be

> > > > prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> > > > receive.

> > > > 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be

> > > > eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> > > > 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> > > > required to

> > > > renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> > > > full.

> > > > Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> > > > someone became

> > > > sick.

> > > >

> > > > 8 common myths about health insurance reform

> > > >

> > > > 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth that

> > > > reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> > > > " rationing. "

> > > > To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are

> > > > currently being used by insurance companies.

> > > > 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> > > > It's a

> > > > myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> > > > President has

> > > > identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> > > > by cutting

> > > > waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> > > > ending

> > > > big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with

> > > > such

> > > > steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> > > > term,

> > > > reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> > > > fiscal crisis.

> > > > 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> > > > malicious

> > > > myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> > > > seniors. For

> > > > seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> > > > end-of

> > > > life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> > > > consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> > > > difficult family

> > > > decisions.

> > > > 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> > > > insurance

> > > > reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the

> > > > contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> > > > under the VA,

> > > > extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> > > > excluded. The VA

> > > > Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> > > > veterans.

> > > > 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> > > > that

> > > > health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary,

> > > > reform

> > > > will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> > > > help them

> > > > pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> > > > firms

> > > > who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> > > > 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> > > > Health

> > > > Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> > > > the

> > > > contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

>

> > > > Medicare,

> > > > ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> > > > subsidies to

> > > > insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> > > > to make

> > > > prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> > > > 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> > > > force you

> > > > out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> > > > To the

> > > > contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> > > > 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is

> > > > an

> > > > absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts.

> > > > Health

> > > > insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> > > > more

> > > > convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> > > > like paying

> > > > a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or

> > > > by a

> > > > direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> > > > will be

> > > > easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> > > > of privacy

> > > > will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> > > > make.

> > > >

> > > >

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I would be happy to get the money I paid in back, but that won't happen.

Ron

8 ways

> > > >

> > > > 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or

> without

> > > > coverage

> > > >

> > > > 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> > > > companies

> > > > will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your

> medical

> > > > history.

> > > > 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> > > > Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> > > > they can charge

> > > > for out-of-pocket expenses.

> > > > 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> > > > fully

> > > > cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> > > > prevent

> > > > illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> > > > 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies

> > > > will

> > > > be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> > > > those

> > > > who become seriously ill.

> > > > 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be

> prohibited

> > > > from charging you more because of your gender.

> > > > 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> > > > will be

> > > > prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> > > > receive.

> > > > 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be

> > > > eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> > > > 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> > > > required to

> > > > renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> > > > full.

> > > > Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> > > > someone became

> > > > sick.

> > > >

> > > > 8 common myths about health insurance reform

> > > >

> > > > 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth that

> > > > reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> > > > " rationing. "

> > > > To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are

> > > > currently being used by insurance companies.

> > > > 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> > > > It's a

> > > > myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> > > > President has

> > > > identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> > > > by cutting

> > > > waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> > > > ending

> > > > big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with

> > > > such

> > > > steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> > > > term,

> > > > reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> > > > fiscal crisis.

> > > > 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> > > > malicious

> > > > myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> > > > seniors. For

> > > > seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> > > > end-of

> > > > life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> > > > consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> > > > difficult family

> > > > decisions.

> > > > 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> > > > insurance

> > > > reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the

> > > > contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> > > > under the VA,

> > > > extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> > > > excluded. The VA

> > > > Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> > > > veterans.

> > > > 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> > > > that

> > > > health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary,

> > > > reform

> > > > will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> > > > help them

> > > > pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> > > > firms

> > > > who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> > > > 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> > > > Health

> > > > Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> > > > the

> > > > contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

>

> > > > Medicare,

> > > > ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> > > > subsidies to

> > > > insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> > > > to make

> > > > prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> > > > 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> > > > force you

> > > > out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> > > > To the

> > > > contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> > > > 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is

> > > > an

> > > > absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts.

> > > > Health

> > > > insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> > > > more

> > > > convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> > > > like paying

> > > > a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or

> > > > by a

> > > > direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> > > > will be

> > > > easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> > > > of privacy

> > > > will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> > > > make.

> > > >

> > > >

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Yes, exactly. That is what people are doing. They are standing up

and telling the congress critters that they don't want their

socialized medicine.

I can't help but wonder what the insurance industry did to the

Democrats. Or maybe the Democrats just find them a target of opportunity.

Dick

At 12:55 AM 8/15/2009, you wrote:

>

>

>Ron I think you have hit the nail on the head people here the term

> " socialized medicine " and they have fears of the old communist days

>where everyone answers to the supreme leader that controls everything

>by force but we are lucky here we can stand up and tell our leaders no

>if we don't like what they are doing the constitution assures that.

>

>-Chris

>

>Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone!

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Yes, exactly. That is what people are doing. They are standing up

and telling the congress critters that they don't want their

socialized medicine.

I can't help but wonder what the insurance industry did to the

Democrats. Or maybe the Democrats just find them a target of opportunity.

Dick

At 12:55 AM 8/15/2009, you wrote:

>

>

>Ron I think you have hit the nail on the head people here the term

> " socialized medicine " and they have fears of the old communist days

>where everyone answers to the supreme leader that controls everything

>by force but we are lucky here we can stand up and tell our leaders no

>if we don't like what they are doing the constitution assures that.

>

>-Chris

>

>Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone!

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Yes, exactly. That is what people are doing. They are standing up

and telling the congress critters that they don't want their

socialized medicine.

I can't help but wonder what the insurance industry did to the

Democrats. Or maybe the Democrats just find them a target of opportunity.

Dick

At 12:55 AM 8/15/2009, you wrote:

>

>

>Ron I think you have hit the nail on the head people here the term

> " socialized medicine " and they have fears of the old communist days

>where everyone answers to the supreme leader that controls everything

>by force but we are lucky here we can stand up and tell our leaders no

>if we don't like what they are doing the constitution assures that.

>

>-Chris

>

>Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was sent from my iPhone!

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I find it so interesting, in all the conversations over this I've read and

all the " town hall " crap I've seen,

that no one brings up the fiasco of HMOs in the 80s...I know some of them

worked for people,

but the majority I saw, THEY got to pick the doctor, not you and second

opinions? not possible

so you were stuck with some unknown, picking an unknown doc to take care of

you....I'm not seeing

how so much of this plan isn't the same as that was.

>

>

> What we have heah, is a failyah tew comm-yew-ni-cate.

>

> Yes, Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine. And they suck great

> big rocks off the ground when it comes to reimbursing the providers who

> accept those forms of payment, and in the efficiency of the programs.

>

> But by all means, let's make them BIGGER. Yeah, that oughta work.

>

> Ron Haussecker wrote:

> >

> > Do you think Medicare, Medicaid, are not Socialized Medicine. This

> > Country has Socialized Medicine in bits and piece, but no one has the

> > guts to admit it. They borrow money every year from Medicare, and

> > Social Security for anything they want to pay for, and that is why it

> > will be broke in a few years, but that will be fixed. Count on it.

> > Ron

> > 8 ways

> > > > >

> > > > > 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or

> > without

> > > > > coverage

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> > > > > companies

> > > > > will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your

> > medical

> > > > > history.

> > > > > 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> > > > > Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> > > > > they can charge

> > > > > for out-of-pocket expenses.

> > > > > 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> > > > > fully

> > > > > cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> > > > > prevent

> > > > > illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> > > > > 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance

> companies

> > > > > will

> > > > > be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> > > > > those

> > > > > who become seriously ill.

> > > > > 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be

> > prohibited

> > > > > from charging you more because of your gender.

> > > > > 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> > > > > will be

> > > > > prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> > > > > receive.

> > > > > 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to

> be

> > > > > eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> > > > > 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> > > > > required to

> > > > > renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> > > > > full.

> > > > > Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> > > > > someone became

> > > > > sick.

> > > > >

> > > > > 8 common myths about health insurance reform

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth

> that

> > > > > reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> > > > > " rationing. "

> > > > > To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that

> are

> > > > > currently being used by insurance companies.

> > > > > 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> > > > > It's a

> > > > > myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> > > > > President has

> > > > > identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> > > > > by cutting

> > > > > waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> > > > > ending

> > > > > big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency

> with

> > > > > such

> > > > > steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> > > > > term,

> > > > > reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> > > > > fiscal crisis.

> > > > > 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> > > > > malicious

> > > > > myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> > > > > seniors. For

> > > > > seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> > > > > end-of

> > > > > life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> > > > > consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> > > > > difficult family

> > > > > decisions.

> > > > > 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> > > > > insurance

> > > > > reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To

> the

> > > > > contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> > > > > under the VA,

> > > > > extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> > > > > excluded. The VA

> > > > > Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> > > > > veterans.

> > > > > 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> > > > > that

> > > > > health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the

> contrary,

> > > > > reform

> > > > > will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> > > > > help them

> > > > > pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> > > > > firms

> > > > > who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> > > > > 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> > > > > Health

> > > > > Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> > > > > the

> > > > > contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

> >

> > > > > Medicare,

> > > > > ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> > > > > subsidies to

> > > > > insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> > > > > to make

> > > > > prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> > > > > 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> > > > > force you

> > > > > out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> > > > > To the

> > > > > contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> > > > > 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It

> is

> > > > > an

> > > > > absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank

> accounts.

> > > > > Health

> > > > > insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> > > > > more

> > > > > convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> > > > > like paying

> > > > > a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check,

> or

> > > > > by a

> > > > > direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> > > > > will be

> > > > > easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> > > > > of privacy

> > > > > will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> > > > > make.

> > > > >

> > > > >

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I find it so interesting, in all the conversations over this I've read and

all the " town hall " crap I've seen,

that no one brings up the fiasco of HMOs in the 80s...I know some of them

worked for people,

but the majority I saw, THEY got to pick the doctor, not you and second

opinions? not possible

so you were stuck with some unknown, picking an unknown doc to take care of

you....I'm not seeing

how so much of this plan isn't the same as that was.

>

>

> What we have heah, is a failyah tew comm-yew-ni-cate.

>

> Yes, Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine. And they suck great

> big rocks off the ground when it comes to reimbursing the providers who

> accept those forms of payment, and in the efficiency of the programs.

>

> But by all means, let's make them BIGGER. Yeah, that oughta work.

>

> Ron Haussecker wrote:

> >

> > Do you think Medicare, Medicaid, are not Socialized Medicine. This

> > Country has Socialized Medicine in bits and piece, but no one has the

> > guts to admit it. They borrow money every year from Medicare, and

> > Social Security for anything they want to pay for, and that is why it

> > will be broke in a few years, but that will be fixed. Count on it.

> > Ron

> > 8 ways

> > > > >

> > > > > 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or

> > without

> > > > > coverage

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> > > > > companies

> > > > > will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your

> > medical

> > > > > history.

> > > > > 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> > > > > Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> > > > > they can charge

> > > > > for out-of-pocket expenses.

> > > > > 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> > > > > fully

> > > > > cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> > > > > prevent

> > > > > illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> > > > > 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance

> companies

> > > > > will

> > > > > be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> > > > > those

> > > > > who become seriously ill.

> > > > > 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be

> > prohibited

> > > > > from charging you more because of your gender.

> > > > > 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> > > > > will be

> > > > > prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> > > > > receive.

> > > > > 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to

> be

> > > > > eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> > > > > 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> > > > > required to

> > > > > renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> > > > > full.

> > > > > Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> > > > > someone became

> > > > > sick.

> > > > >

> > > > > 8 common myths about health insurance reform

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth

> that

> > > > > reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> > > > > " rationing. "

> > > > > To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that

> are

> > > > > currently being used by insurance companies.

> > > > > 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> > > > > It's a

> > > > > myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> > > > > President has

> > > > > identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> > > > > by cutting

> > > > > waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> > > > > ending

> > > > > big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency

> with

> > > > > such

> > > > > steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> > > > > term,

> > > > > reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> > > > > fiscal crisis.

> > > > > 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> > > > > malicious

> > > > > myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> > > > > seniors. For

> > > > > seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> > > > > end-of

> > > > > life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> > > > > consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> > > > > difficult family

> > > > > decisions.

> > > > > 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> > > > > insurance

> > > > > reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To

> the

> > > > > contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> > > > > under the VA,

> > > > > extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> > > > > excluded. The VA

> > > > > Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> > > > > veterans.

> > > > > 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> > > > > that

> > > > > health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the

> contrary,

> > > > > reform

> > > > > will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> > > > > help them

> > > > > pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> > > > > firms

> > > > > who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> > > > > 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> > > > > Health

> > > > > Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> > > > > the

> > > > > contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

> >

> > > > > Medicare,

> > > > > ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> > > > > subsidies to

> > > > > insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> > > > > to make

> > > > > prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> > > > > 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> > > > > force you

> > > > > out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> > > > > To the

> > > > > contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> > > > > 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It

> is

> > > > > an

> > > > > absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank

> accounts.

> > > > > Health

> > > > > insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> > > > > more

> > > > > convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> > > > > like paying

> > > > > a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check,

> or

> > > > > by a

> > > > > direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> > > > > will be

> > > > > easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> > > > > of privacy

> > > > > will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> > > > > make.

> > > > >

> > > > >

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I find it so interesting, in all the conversations over this I've read and

all the " town hall " crap I've seen,

that no one brings up the fiasco of HMOs in the 80s...I know some of them

worked for people,

but the majority I saw, THEY got to pick the doctor, not you and second

opinions? not possible

so you were stuck with some unknown, picking an unknown doc to take care of

you....I'm not seeing

how so much of this plan isn't the same as that was.

>

>

> What we have heah, is a failyah tew comm-yew-ni-cate.

>

> Yes, Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine. And they suck great

> big rocks off the ground when it comes to reimbursing the providers who

> accept those forms of payment, and in the efficiency of the programs.

>

> But by all means, let's make them BIGGER. Yeah, that oughta work.

>

> Ron Haussecker wrote:

> >

> > Do you think Medicare, Medicaid, are not Socialized Medicine. This

> > Country has Socialized Medicine in bits and piece, but no one has the

> > guts to admit it. They borrow money every year from Medicare, and

> > Social Security for anything they want to pay for, and that is why it

> > will be broke in a few years, but that will be fixed. Count on it.

> > Ron

> > 8 ways

> > > > >

> > > > > 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or

> > without

> > > > > coverage

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> > > > > companies

> > > > > will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your

> > medical

> > > > > history.

> > > > > 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> > > > > Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> > > > > they can charge

> > > > > for out-of-pocket expenses.

> > > > > 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> > > > > fully

> > > > > cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> > > > > prevent

> > > > > illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> > > > > 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance

> companies

> > > > > will

> > > > > be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> > > > > those

> > > > > who become seriously ill.

> > > > > 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be

> > prohibited

> > > > > from charging you more because of your gender.

> > > > > 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> > > > > will be

> > > > > prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> > > > > receive.

> > > > > 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to

> be

> > > > > eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> > > > > 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> > > > > required to

> > > > > renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> > > > > full.

> > > > > Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> > > > > someone became

> > > > > sick.

> > > > >

> > > > > 8 common myths about health insurance reform

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth

> that

> > > > > reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> > > > > " rationing. "

> > > > > To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that

> are

> > > > > currently being used by insurance companies.

> > > > > 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> > > > > It's a

> > > > > myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> > > > > President has

> > > > > identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> > > > > by cutting

> > > > > waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> > > > > ending

> > > > > big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency

> with

> > > > > such

> > > > > steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> > > > > term,

> > > > > reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> > > > > fiscal crisis.

> > > > > 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> > > > > malicious

> > > > > myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> > > > > seniors. For

> > > > > seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> > > > > end-of

> > > > > life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> > > > > consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> > > > > difficult family

> > > > > decisions.

> > > > > 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> > > > > insurance

> > > > > reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To

> the

> > > > > contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> > > > > under the VA,

> > > > > extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> > > > > excluded. The VA

> > > > > Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> > > > > veterans.

> > > > > 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> > > > > that

> > > > > health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the

> contrary,

> > > > > reform

> > > > > will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> > > > > help them

> > > > > pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> > > > > firms

> > > > > who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> > > > > 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> > > > > Health

> > > > > Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> > > > > the

> > > > > contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

> >

> > > > > Medicare,

> > > > > ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> > > > > subsidies to

> > > > > insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> > > > > to make

> > > > > prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> > > > > 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> > > > > force you

> > > > > out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> > > > > To the

> > > > > contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> > > > > 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It

> is

> > > > > an

> > > > > absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank

> accounts.

> > > > > Health

> > > > > insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> > > > > more

> > > > > convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> > > > > like paying

> > > > > a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check,

> or

> > > > > by a

> > > > > direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> > > > > will be

> > > > > easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> > > > > of privacy

> > > > > will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> > > > > make.

> > > > >

> > > > >

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" And when they start rationing care "

They already do ration care based on what you can pay my insurance

company gives me an allowance of how many times I can refill

medications or go see my Dr. for out patient care per month, isn't

that rationing care?

" Health care is a *commodity.* "

This is the sole reason for this discussion! There is no regulation

on what can be charged for procedures, insurance companies,

pharmaceutical companies etc. charge what they want without regard

for the customer they serve. Are medications really worth $750 a pill

because they are in demand? To me that is absolutely false care

should not be based on consumer demand. Now I am all for people

making money and I am more than willing to pay for healthcare, but

insurance companies are being allowed to quite frankly do whatever

they want. We are paying into these companies " incase " something

happens then when it does insurance companies are refusing to cover

that very 'incase. " They actually employee researchers to deny to

coverage for things like cancer, calling it a preventable illness.

Its funny I have never had trouble with my car insurance, I hit a deer

a few years ago and never once heard the term pre-existing, or

preventable, in fact, when they asked if I was hurt and I told them no

they still sent me a check to get care " incase " I decided to have a

checkup at my Dr. I even got a call from them a few months later

inquiring whether I had any lasting injury or if I needed any

reimbursement for medical care from the accident.

If you have ever heard the stand-up of Rock he does a bit about

curing illness he says " they ain`t gonna ever cure AIDS money Ain`t

in the cure it`s in the treatment, they gonna find a way for you to

live with AIDS so they can keep getting your money. " thats a sad

prospect but I think is right, and in that scenario then NO they

do not deserve to be paid huge amounts for the job they are doing,

because it`s half ass! (now of course that is not absolute fact, as

it would be hard to prove but its something to think about)

In short i just don`t believe that supply and demand has a place in

healthcare, everyone deserves to have good affordable healthcare

regardless of their income.

-Chris

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" And when they start rationing care "

They already do ration care based on what you can pay my insurance

company gives me an allowance of how many times I can refill

medications or go see my Dr. for out patient care per month, isn't

that rationing care?

" Health care is a *commodity.* "

This is the sole reason for this discussion! There is no regulation

on what can be charged for procedures, insurance companies,

pharmaceutical companies etc. charge what they want without regard

for the customer they serve. Are medications really worth $750 a pill

because they are in demand? To me that is absolutely false care

should not be based on consumer demand. Now I am all for people

making money and I am more than willing to pay for healthcare, but

insurance companies are being allowed to quite frankly do whatever

they want. We are paying into these companies " incase " something

happens then when it does insurance companies are refusing to cover

that very 'incase. " They actually employee researchers to deny to

coverage for things like cancer, calling it a preventable illness.

Its funny I have never had trouble with my car insurance, I hit a deer

a few years ago and never once heard the term pre-existing, or

preventable, in fact, when they asked if I was hurt and I told them no

they still sent me a check to get care " incase " I decided to have a

checkup at my Dr. I even got a call from them a few months later

inquiring whether I had any lasting injury or if I needed any

reimbursement for medical care from the accident.

If you have ever heard the stand-up of Rock he does a bit about

curing illness he says " they ain`t gonna ever cure AIDS money Ain`t

in the cure it`s in the treatment, they gonna find a way for you to

live with AIDS so they can keep getting your money. " thats a sad

prospect but I think is right, and in that scenario then NO they

do not deserve to be paid huge amounts for the job they are doing,

because it`s half ass! (now of course that is not absolute fact, as

it would be hard to prove but its something to think about)

In short i just don`t believe that supply and demand has a place in

healthcare, everyone deserves to have good affordable healthcare

regardless of their income.

-Chris

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" And when they start rationing care "

They already do ration care based on what you can pay my insurance

company gives me an allowance of how many times I can refill

medications or go see my Dr. for out patient care per month, isn't

that rationing care?

" Health care is a *commodity.* "

This is the sole reason for this discussion! There is no regulation

on what can be charged for procedures, insurance companies,

pharmaceutical companies etc. charge what they want without regard

for the customer they serve. Are medications really worth $750 a pill

because they are in demand? To me that is absolutely false care

should not be based on consumer demand. Now I am all for people

making money and I am more than willing to pay for healthcare, but

insurance companies are being allowed to quite frankly do whatever

they want. We are paying into these companies " incase " something

happens then when it does insurance companies are refusing to cover

that very 'incase. " They actually employee researchers to deny to

coverage for things like cancer, calling it a preventable illness.

Its funny I have never had trouble with my car insurance, I hit a deer

a few years ago and never once heard the term pre-existing, or

preventable, in fact, when they asked if I was hurt and I told them no

they still sent me a check to get care " incase " I decided to have a

checkup at my Dr. I even got a call from them a few months later

inquiring whether I had any lasting injury or if I needed any

reimbursement for medical care from the accident.

If you have ever heard the stand-up of Rock he does a bit about

curing illness he says " they ain`t gonna ever cure AIDS money Ain`t

in the cure it`s in the treatment, they gonna find a way for you to

live with AIDS so they can keep getting your money. " thats a sad

prospect but I think is right, and in that scenario then NO they

do not deserve to be paid huge amounts for the job they are doing,

because it`s half ass! (now of course that is not absolute fact, as

it would be hard to prove but its something to think about)

In short i just don`t believe that supply and demand has a place in

healthcare, everyone deserves to have good affordable healthcare

regardless of their income.

-Chris

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What I see is hyperbole. Just like " We must pass this NOW, don't bother with the

particulars, or the world will end. " . Wasn't true with global warming, wasn't

true with the stimulus, and isn't true with health care reform. Keep running,

Chicken Little.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Health Care Reform Facts for the Educate Person

I can tell your one of the proud Texans that we rank 48th or 49th for Child

Care. Why don't we put a sign up at the state line saying this and we can be

real proud, but the state line isn't between Tyler and Abilene. You couldn't see

it could you? So I'll take the sarcasm in stride while children are in homes and

on the street homeless and sick, but I'm also pretty sure you didn't stop at a

homeless shelter to volunteer to even take a blood pressure for one of them or

look at the ribs sticking out from illness and hunger. You can make fun about,

or join those of us who LOVE children and WON " T stand by can settle to be 48 or

49th that your seem to be so proud of. I guess you just assume the child

predators can protect them also. I can really see you care about children " NOT " .

Ron

8 ways

>

> 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without

> coverage

>

> 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> companies

> will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical

> history.

> 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> they can charge

> for out-of-pocket expenses.

> 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> fully

> cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> prevent

> illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies

> will

> be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> those

> who become seriously ill.

> 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited

> from charging you more because of your gender.

> 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> will be

> prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> receive.

> 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be

> eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> required to

> renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> full.

> Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> someone became

> sick.

>

> 8 common myths about health insurance reform

>

> 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth that

> reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> " rationing. "

> To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are

> currently being used by insurance companies.

> 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> It's a

> myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> President has

> identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> by cutting

> waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> ending

> big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with

> such

> steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> term,

> reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> fiscal crisis.

> 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> malicious

> myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> seniors. For

> seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> end-of

> life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> difficult family

> decisions.

> 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> insurance

> reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the

> contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> under the VA,

> extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> excluded. The VA

> Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> veterans.

> 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> that

> health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary,

> reform

> will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> help them

> pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> firms

> who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> Health

> Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> the

> contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

> Medicare,

> ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> subsidies to

> insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> to make

> prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> force you

> out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> To the

> contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is

> an

> absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts.

> Health

> insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> more

> convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> like paying

> a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or

> by a

> direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> will be

> easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> of privacy

> will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> make.

>

>

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What I see is hyperbole. Just like " We must pass this NOW, don't bother with the

particulars, or the world will end. " . Wasn't true with global warming, wasn't

true with the stimulus, and isn't true with health care reform. Keep running,

Chicken Little.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Health Care Reform Facts for the Educate Person

I can tell your one of the proud Texans that we rank 48th or 49th for Child

Care. Why don't we put a sign up at the state line saying this and we can be

real proud, but the state line isn't between Tyler and Abilene. You couldn't see

it could you? So I'll take the sarcasm in stride while children are in homes and

on the street homeless and sick, but I'm also pretty sure you didn't stop at a

homeless shelter to volunteer to even take a blood pressure for one of them or

look at the ribs sticking out from illness and hunger. You can make fun about,

or join those of us who LOVE children and WON " T stand by can settle to be 48 or

49th that your seem to be so proud of. I guess you just assume the child

predators can protect them also. I can really see you care about children " NOT " .

Ron

8 ways

>

> 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without

> coverage

>

> 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> companies

> will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical

> history.

> 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> they can charge

> for out-of-pocket expenses.

> 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> fully

> cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> prevent

> illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies

> will

> be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> those

> who become seriously ill.

> 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited

> from charging you more because of your gender.

> 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> will be

> prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> receive.

> 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be

> eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> required to

> renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> full.

> Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> someone became

> sick.

>

> 8 common myths about health insurance reform

>

> 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth that

> reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> " rationing. "

> To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are

> currently being used by insurance companies.

> 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> It's a

> myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> President has

> identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> by cutting

> waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> ending

> big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with

> such

> steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> term,

> reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> fiscal crisis.

> 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> malicious

> myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> seniors. For

> seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> end-of

> life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> difficult family

> decisions.

> 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> insurance

> reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the

> contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> under the VA,

> extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> excluded. The VA

> Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> veterans.

> 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> that

> health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary,

> reform

> will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> help them

> pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> firms

> who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> Health

> Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> the

> contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

> Medicare,

> ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> subsidies to

> insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> to make

> prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> force you

> out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> To the

> contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is

> an

> absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts.

> Health

> insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> more

> convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> like paying

> a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or

> by a

> direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> will be

> easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> of privacy

> will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> make.

>

>

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What I see is hyperbole. Just like " We must pass this NOW, don't bother with the

particulars, or the world will end. " . Wasn't true with global warming, wasn't

true with the stimulus, and isn't true with health care reform. Keep running,

Chicken Little.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Health Care Reform Facts for the Educate Person

I can tell your one of the proud Texans that we rank 48th or 49th for Child

Care. Why don't we put a sign up at the state line saying this and we can be

real proud, but the state line isn't between Tyler and Abilene. You couldn't see

it could you? So I'll take the sarcasm in stride while children are in homes and

on the street homeless and sick, but I'm also pretty sure you didn't stop at a

homeless shelter to volunteer to even take a blood pressure for one of them or

look at the ribs sticking out from illness and hunger. You can make fun about,

or join those of us who LOVE children and WON " T stand by can settle to be 48 or

49th that your seem to be so proud of. I guess you just assume the child

predators can protect them also. I can really see you care about children " NOT " .

Ron

8 ways

>

> 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without

> coverage

>

> 1.. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance

> companies

> will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical

> history.

> 2.. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays:

> Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much

> they can charge

> for out-of-pocket expenses.

> 3.. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must

> fully

> cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you

> prevent

> illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

> 4.. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies

> will

> be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for

> those

> who become seriously ill.

> 5.. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited

> from charging you more because of your gender.

> 6.. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies

> will be

> prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you

> receive.

> 7.. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be

> eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

> 8.. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be

> required to

> renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in

> full.

> Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because

> someone became

> sick.

>

> 8 common myths about health insurance reform

>

> 1.. Reform will stop " rationing " - not increase it: It's a myth that

> reform will mean a " government takeover " of health care or lead to

> " rationing. "

> To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are

> currently being used by insurance companies.

> 2.. We can't afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford.

> It's a

> myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the

> President has

> identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs

> by cutting

> waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs;

> ending

> big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with

> such

> steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long

> term,

> reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a

> fiscal crisis.

> 3.. Reform would encourage " euthanasia " : It does not. It's a

> malicious

> myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for

> seniors. For

> seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about

> end-of

> life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private

> consultations for those who want help with these personal and

> difficult family

> decisions.

> 4.. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It's a myth that health

> insurance

> reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the

> contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage

> under the VA,

> extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously

> excluded. The VA

> Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible

> veterans.

> 5.. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It's a myth

> that

> health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary,

> reform

> will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to

> help them

> pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big

> firms

> who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

> 6.. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It's myth that

> Health

> Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To

> the

> contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of

> Medicare,

> ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary

> subsidies to

> insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare " doughnut " hole

> to make

> prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

> 7.. You can keep your own insurance: It's myth that reform will

> force you

> out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.

> To the

> contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

> 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is

> an

> absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts.

> Health

> insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and

> more

> convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just

> like paying

> a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or

> by a

> direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they

> will be

> easier to understand. The choice is up to you - and the same rules

> of privacy

> will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people

> make.

>

>

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An excellent analysis. Medicare and Medicaid are a mess. That camel

is all the way in the tent. You would have to shoot it to get it

out. That would be a bloody mess!

I find it very interesting that there is no real effort to determine

what all the cost elements are in the health care system. Sure, it's

easy to say that hospital costs are too high or too much is being

spent on the elderly in the last year of their lives. But what is

the real cost in terms of doctors, nursing, hospitals, medications,

etc. And in each case, what part is labor, raw materials, research,

development, manufacturing, insurance, profit, etc? Which parts are

increasing and by how much? It is difficult to control something

about which you have absolutely no knowledge!

Dick

At 09:50 AM 8/15/2009, you wrote:

>

>

> From a purely libertarian standpoint, yes they are broken down. If it

>requires taxpayer subsidy to operate, it's broken. Bottom line is, if

>people feel something is valuable enough, they'll be willing to pay for

>it. Now, if they continually vote for the tax renewal, I suppose you

>could say that the populace is indeed willing to pay for it. Well, 51%

>of them, at least.

>

>And I don't know where YOU live, but veterans where I live already get

>free health care through the VA system. Of course in this case, " free "

>is worth exactly what you pay for it. Then again, the VA is the only

>model we have for how government-run socialized medicine will work,

>which is reason enough for me to run screaming in the other direction.

>We already have government-mandated health care in this country, our own

>little model of socialized medicine we can look to for clues. It's

>called EMTALA.

>

>Raise your hands if you think that even 50% of ER patients actually need

>to be in an emergency room.

>

>Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

>

>And I know of VERY few elderly people who are uninsured. Most either

>have Medicare or Medicaid. In the case of Medicaid, the user has no

>co-pay, no deductible, no financial skin in the game, and usually not

>even tax dollars. In fact, they may even get a cash payout of OUR tax

>dollars in the form of Earned Income Credit. Having no skin in the game,

>there is ZERO incentive to use it wisely - which leads to rampant abuse.

>Most of the uninsured in this country are the working poor, or the young

>and healthy who think they don't need insurance - and for the most part,

>these young and healthy aren't that much of a burden to the system.

>

>Raise your hands here if you've never picked up a Medicaid recipient

>wanting a free pregnancy test, or someone who games the system to get a

>ride across town, or who uses the ER as their 24 hour free clinic.

>

>Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

>

>Medicaid will NEVER be utilized appropriately by the vast numbers of

>recipients until they have to make the same decisions that privately

>insured citizens have to make: " Is this ER visit or doctor's appointment

>worth my grocery bill/cable bill/phone bill/disposable income it will

>cost in terms of my co-pay? "

>

>And yes, I talk tough. Bottom line is, you think health care is a right.

>

>I don't.

>

>Health care is a *commodity.* If it were a right, that means EVERYONE

>should have it provided for them, without regard for compensation. That

>means someone has to provide that health care, and that's where the

>argument that health care is a human right breaks down. Because frankly,

>your rights end where mine begin, and *I* have a right to be paid for my

>work, and to let the market determine the worth of the service I provide.

>

>What NONE of the politicians in this issue have told us - because they

>can't - is how expanding coverage to millions more people is going to

>make costs and use of the benefits go DOWN. It won't. One of two things

>will happen - either expenses WILL soar and reimbursement to individual

>medical providers (like EMS, doctors, hospitals, etc.) will be cut, or

>they WILL ration care. This is economic fact, not Republican or

>Democratic rhetoric. And when they start rationing care, the most

>obvious place to start is for those elderly patients you're so concerned

>about. 25% of Medicare dollars are spent on patients in their last year

>of life. The Democrats say that the elderly won't have their benefits

>cut, and right now I believe they are sincere when they say so.

>

>I also believe that once the camel's nose is under the tent in regards

>to the government determining the level of care someone will be

>provided, that promise will go right out the window. It always does when

>politicians promising the moon and the stars for votes get smacked right

>in the face with cold, hard reality.

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