Re: Pain in arms and legs

[Guest guest]

>>again, i'm curious what this permanent damage you mentioned earlier

amounts to. can you elaborate?<<

I can tell you some of the damage I personally have experienced. For over a

year my legs swelled so badly I went up 3 full shoe sizes. While that was a

hypo symptom caused by the thyroid crash I was in, it was diagnosed as

vericose veins. I do NOT have vericose veins. What I have left is tissues in

my legs that were literally ripped apart by the fluid retention that is

common with hypothyroidism. If you have never had the water weight gain with

this disease, you have gotten off LIGHT! My legs are still very painful, I

am SURE from this tissue damage that has not fully healed in the four years

since I started self medicating. I still have hopes for a full recovery, but

I feel it will be a while yet. Another leftover is the years of habitual

doing nothing habits I have formed. Yes, I am in the habit of sitting as

soon as I come hoe & that is as far as I get.. even though I am no longer

exhausted when I come home, I am in the habit of not doing anything from

years of not being able to. I just this past week (FOUR years into HIGH

Amour dosages with Cytomel) got some of my wind back. I have felt very short

winded for about 10 years, to the point if I even took my trash out, I would

have to stop half way to catch my breath then continue. I couldn;t even wash

my hair straight through as that entailed holding my arms over my head, and

it would cause me to not be able to breathe. This just resolved almost

entirely THIS WEEK! So yes, many things about this disease take years to

undo. I still have pain and a catch in my right knee, and back pain. But I

lift 100 pound dogs in the course of my work day too, so I think some of

that is just from body abuse from grooming. but 36 years into this

profession I have no signs of Carpal Tunnel and my Tendonitis that I had 3

years ago is GONE. SO thyroid has saved my work too.

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Another thing I forgot.. See I still forget ALOT too! LOL I firmly believe

all the years I had an " athlete's Pulse " of 60 BPM my heart muscle was

wasting due to non use. Like any muscle that you don;t use, they slowly

waste away till they are not as strong as they would be if you used them

daily. I think this is one of the LONG term damages that takes forever to

heal in this disease. Hopefully the heart can recover and normalize even

after 25 years of not working properly. My pulse is now around 80 BPM which

is much more normal for my age & weight. However I now have a heart murmur.

This murmur has come & gone over the years many times. Probably coincided

with hypo to hyper swings I had while my thyroid sputtered itself out.

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i have found my feet no longer fit well into my shoes, which have

become awfully tight for me. i do not know if that is the fluid

retention or the other kind of weight gain. while i do not consider

habits or lifestyle to be permanent damage, i know what you mean. i

spend most of my days at home, on the couch or in bed, wracked in

constant, severe chronic pain. i think that probably exempts me from

being someone who is getting off light.

b

>

>>> again, i'm curious what this permanent damage you mentioned earlier

> amounts to. can you elaborate?<<

>

> I can tell you some of the damage I personally have experienced. For

> over a

> year my legs swelled so badly I went up 3 full shoe sizes. While that

> was a

> hypo symptom caused by the thyroid crash I was in, it was diagnosed as

> vericose veins. I do NOT have vericose veins. What I have left is

> tissues in

> my legs that were literally ripped apart by the fluid retention that is

> common with hypothyroidism. If you have never had the water weight

> gain with

> this disease, you have gotten off LIGHT! My legs are still very

> painful, I

> am SURE from this tissue damage that has not fully healed in the four

> years

> since I started self medicating. I still have hopes for a full

> recovery, but

> I feel it will be a while yet. Another leftover is the years of

> habitual

> doing nothing habits I have formed. Yes, I am in the habit of sitting

> as

> soon as I come hoe & that is as far as I get.. even though I am no

> longer

> exhausted when I come home, I am in the habit of not doing anything

> from

> years of not being able to. I just this past week (FOUR years into HIGH

> Amour dosages with Cytomel) got some of my wind back. I have felt very

> short

> winded for about 10 years, to the point if I even took my trash out, I

> would

> have to stop half way to catch my breath then continue. I couldn;t

> even wash

> my hair straight through as that entailed holding my arms over my

> head, and

> it would cause me to not be able to breathe. This just resolved almost

> entirely THIS WEEK! So yes, many things about this disease take years

> to

> undo. I still have pain and a catch in my right knee, and back pain.

> But I

> lift 100 pound dogs in the course of my work day too, so I think some

> of

> that is just from body abuse from grooming. but 36 years into this

> profession I have no signs of Carpal Tunnel and my Tendonitis that I

> had 3

> years ago is GONE. SO thyroid has saved my work too.

>

>

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

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[Guest guest]

i have to say that 25 years is a lifetime, and then you have to take

into account the aging process anyway, as it is now not just a heart

that hasn't been working right for 25 years, but also a heart that is

25 years older. i don't know how much of that in the end can be

ascribed to permanent damage caused by a thyroid condition.

while obviously exercise and athleticism strengthen the heart, it is a

muscle that works constantly and doesn't atrophy.

b

>

> Another thing I forgot.. See I still forget ALOT too! LOL I firmly

> believe

> all the years I had an " athlete's Pulse " of 60 BPM my heart muscle was

> wasting due to non use. Like any muscle that you don;t use, they slowly

> waste away till they are not as strong as they would be if you used

> them

> daily. I think this is one of the LONG term damages that takes forever

> to

> heal in this disease. Hopefully the heart can recover and normalize

> even

> after 25 years of not working properly. My pulse is now around 80 BPM

> which

> is much more normal for my age & weight. However I now have a heart

> murmur.

> This murmur has come & gone over the years many times. Probably

> coincided

> with hypo to hyper swings I had while my thyroid sputtered itself out.

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

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I can. Severe osteo arthritis that made meal out of bone is now gone, but

the bone is now shot. Teeth damage, gum damage, skin damage, muscle tone

that is not going back, stretched skin, loss of hair and damaged follicules.

Liver issues, digestive tract damage, vein weakness

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>Subject: Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:46:25 -0700again, i'm curious what this permanent

>damage you mentioned earlier

amounts to. can you elaborate?

>

[Guest guest]

Soon after I started Armour I was in a fender bender with a little

whiplash and lower back troubles. I've been going to the

chiropractor.

The Armour has desensitized me in which I don't have the deep muscle

aches and my other aches nearly as bad. But I also think getting

into proper adjustment and going for several weeks in a row REALLY

has helped as well.

Perhaps some of you should think of chiropractor adjustments.

[Guest guest]

Well without taking into the account that I am 30 years older than I was

when I was first diagnosed with thyroid disease, I feel better physically

and mentally now than I did in my 30's 20 years ago. So I would say I have

had a miraculous recovery from this disease. Though I still get little done

as far as living a life aside from my work and bare necessities of keeping

my home habitable, I am amazingly content now. I still see women my age in

such active lifestyles, I know that is due to my years of hypo that I can;t

live life to the fullest, but I HAVE lived well, and hard the years I have

been here, and probably that is part of the reason my recovery is not full

as compared to someone that has never had an illness like this to deal with.

BTW I did not mean to discredit anyone's very real pains by saying they

had got light treatment from this disease,only that that ONE symptom was the

most debilitating one I have experienced thus far. It threatened to take my

legs away from me and put me in a wheel chair. And the other joint aches

and back pain was minor (to ME) by comparison. Even the brain fog which has

robbed my reading from me and made me live in a jumbled up desk with notes I

can't even find much less use was minor compared to the thought of life

without the use of my legs. Live a hot summer in rubber compression hose and

tell me anyone could smile through it! LOL

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Well without taking into the account that I am 30 years older than I was

when I was first diagnosed with thyroid disease, I feel better physically

and mentally now than I did in my 30's 20 years ago. So I would say I have

had a miraculous recovery from this disease. Though I still get little done

as far as living a life aside from my work and bare necessities of keeping

my home habitable, I am amazingly content now. I still see women my age in

such active lifestyles, I know that is due to my years of hypo that I can;t

live life to the fullest, but I HAVE lived well, and hard the years I have

been here, and probably that is part of the reason my recovery is not full

as compared to someone that has never had an illness like this to deal with.

BTW I did not mean to discredit anyone's very real pains by saying they

had got light treatment from this disease,only that that ONE symptom was the

most debilitating one I have experienced thus far. It threatened to take my

legs away from me and put me in a wheel chair. And the other joint aches

and back pain was minor (to ME) by comparison. Even the brain fog which has

robbed my reading from me and made me live in a jumbled up desk with notes I

can't even find much less use was minor compared to the thought of life

without the use of my legs. Live a hot summer in rubber compression hose and

tell me anyone could smile through it! LOL

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

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>>> Something in the T3 in Armour gave me an almost instant relief

from the depression. Running around trying to shop for a dr is

stressful and depressing.,,,>>>

Me, too!!! I was so weepy and depressed when I went to my doctor in

June that instead of finding what's wrong with me... he told me I

should see a counselor. But after I found another doctor- I was on

Levoxyl, T4 for 6 weeks- the only improvements were my nails were

stronger and hair was growing in my receding hair line. BUT even

after the FIRST dose of Armour- I noticed my depressed had started

to lift.

Now after only 2 months- its hard to imagine just how terribly

depressed I was. Depression is one of the first symptoms to get

relief.

Hope it works this well for you, Caroline. I'm like the others- you

really need to focus on getting that generic thyroid (Armour) from

myrxforless. It's only $6.95 (plus shipping of $11). Try to order

it right away- you'll still have to wait 3 weeks for it to arrive!!

You keep talking about looking for doctors and your other symptoms.

First things first... get on Armour!

There's hope in Armour!!!

S

[Guest guest]

>>> Something in the T3 in Armour gave me an almost instant relief

from the depression. Running around trying to shop for a dr is

stressful and depressing.,,,>>>

Me, too!!! I was so weepy and depressed when I went to my doctor in

June that instead of finding what's wrong with me... he told me I

should see a counselor. But after I found another doctor- I was on

Levoxyl, T4 for 6 weeks- the only improvements were my nails were

stronger and hair was growing in my receding hair line. BUT even

after the FIRST dose of Armour- I noticed my depressed had started

to lift.

Now after only 2 months- its hard to imagine just how terribly

depressed I was. Depression is one of the first symptoms to get

relief.

Hope it works this well for you, Caroline. I'm like the others- you

really need to focus on getting that generic thyroid (Armour) from

myrxforless. It's only $6.95 (plus shipping of $11). Try to order

it right away- you'll still have to wait 3 weeks for it to arrive!!

You keep talking about looking for doctors and your other symptoms.

First things first... get on Armour!

There's hope in Armour!!!

S

[Guest guest]

Oh geez...I have to BUY a list from them? If you find your own list, I'm in

northern California in Olivehurst about an hour's drive north of Sacramento & an

hour south of Chico. I do all my shopping & doctoring in Yuba City &

sville...mostly Yuba City tho where most things are.

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>> Caroline, while some people do have problems, I always have to remind

>> myself of a few things when I'm considering Armour over any other

>> treatment. It doesn't always take years. We all have to remember

>> that under a dr's care, even with Armour, without it being in a proper

>> dosage for us, can be like taking nothing.

>

> i wholeheartedly agree. i've been on 30mg of armour for the last 2

> years, since i was diagnosed with hashimoto's and a tsh of 39. it

> is a

> woefully inadequate dose, only useful as a starting dose, and my new

> doctor is horrified at how undertreated i have been. she immediately

> upped me to 60mg but we are going to wait till my blood results come

> in

> to see if i need adrenal treatment before this.

>

> hold on, caroline. really. i am not paying you lip service when i

> say

> i understand how it feels. let's just say that for a long time, i

> was

> saving pills. i do not believe it will take years for me to get

> better, i expect to get better by the end of this year, if all goes

> well. i think you can expect that wellness is in your future with

> the

> right doctor prescribing the right treatment. get on the

> brodabarnes.org site and send in for a list of physicians practicing

> the broda barnes guidelines in your area. find a top doc. i'm done

> screwing around with half-bright doctors and their concrete-set ways.

>

> best,

> baron

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh geez...I have to BUY a list from them? If you find your own list, I'm in

northern California in Olivehurst about an hour's drive north of Sacramento & an

hour south of Chico. I do all my shopping & doctoring in Yuba City &

sville...mostly Yuba City tho where most things are.

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>> Caroline, while some people do have problems, I always have to remind

>> myself of a few things when I'm considering Armour over any other

>> treatment. It doesn't always take years. We all have to remember

>> that under a dr's care, even with Armour, without it being in a proper

>> dosage for us, can be like taking nothing.

>

> i wholeheartedly agree. i've been on 30mg of armour for the last 2

> years, since i was diagnosed with hashimoto's and a tsh of 39. it

> is a

> woefully inadequate dose, only useful as a starting dose, and my new

> doctor is horrified at how undertreated i have been. she immediately

> upped me to 60mg but we are going to wait till my blood results come

> in

> to see if i need adrenal treatment before this.

>

> hold on, caroline. really. i am not paying you lip service when i

> say

> i understand how it feels. let's just say that for a long time, i

> was

> saving pills. i do not believe it will take years for me to get

> better, i expect to get better by the end of this year, if all goes

> well. i think you can expect that wellness is in your future with

> the

> right doctor prescribing the right treatment. get on the

> brodabarnes.org site and send in for a list of physicians practicing

> the broda barnes guidelines in your area. find a top doc. i'm done

> screwing around with half-bright doctors and their concrete-set ways.

>

> best,

> baron

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

it was great encouragementment for me too and relief. i let out a

big ahhhhhhhhhhh and felt like i could breath again and i had a

prupose for being on this planet. the meds are still super new to

my bod now and i know it will take time. i also KNOW! they WILL

kick in and i WILL feel good.

kathryn

> In a message dated 10/14/2004 3:35:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> MamaMaha@M... writes:

>

> > Oh geez, then even on the Armour it could take years before I

get to

> > feeling any better? Not much encouragement there.

> >

>

> it was to me. for someone who had spent 15 years feeling really

bad..it was a

> relief to know what was wrong...and that healing could begin.

> cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

it was great encouragementment for me too and relief. i let out a

big ahhhhhhhhhhh and felt like i could breath again and i had a

prupose for being on this planet. the meds are still super new to

my bod now and i know it will take time. i also KNOW! they WILL

kick in and i WILL feel good.

kathryn

> In a message dated 10/14/2004 3:35:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> MamaMaha@M... writes:

>

> > Oh geez, then even on the Armour it could take years before I

get to

> > feeling any better? Not much encouragement there.

> >

>

> it was to me. for someone who had spent 15 years feeling really

bad..it was a

> relief to know what was wrong...and that healing could begin.

> cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would not be up & walking at all today were it not for ongoing chiropractic &

osteopathic adjustments the past 40 years off & on. I'd still be crawling on the

floor as I once was or in bed using a traction unit or in a wheel chair. Take

your choice. I

'm eternally grateful for chiropractors. Especially Network chiropractors who do

only light tapping on the spine & no manipulations whatsoever. They're the

absolute best. But there's none of those around here, unfortunately.

I found a good chiropractor here in my new area who uses an Activator tho. Those

are good too with no other manipulations. The best chiropractor I've been to was

in the last city I lived in two years ago. He used an Activator also & had a

cold laser that eliminated the toxins & poisons from the body that causes

tremendous pain in & of themselves.

Detoxing the body also relieves bunches of pain & restores energy. One way to

detox quickly is doing an enema or getting a series of colonics from a good,

clean practitioner.

Caroline

Re: Pain in arms and legs

Soon after I started Armour I was in a fender bender with a little

whiplash and lower back troubles. I've been going to the

chiropractor.

Perhaps some of you should think of chiropractor adjustments.

[Guest guest]

Gosh, I'm wondering then, if the fall I had as a child when I cut my head near

my optic nerve at the base of the skull & screwed up my neck had anything to do

with messing up my thyroid back then? My neck curves the wrong way cutting off

the energy flow from the spinal cord to the glands & organs & there's no fixing

it after it's been that way for over 60 years. I've been depressed most of my

life since then. My mom used to tell me that after that fall & accident, I

changed, wasn't talking or thinking right anymore. She used to kid me that I

lost part of my brains in that accident.

I read online recently that upper cervical/atlas chiro adjustments will set the

entire spine alignment in place so it can heal properly but nothing short of

that will do it. I recently found an upper cervical chiro about 30 min. drive

south of me. I can't make an appointment tho until I get a car or get his broken

one fixed.

Other chiropractors have told me that when the spine is misaligned or the nerves

are pinched, etc., the organs don't get enough energy to them & can dysfunction

& cause serious or fatal illness...including the heart & brain. Not to mention

energy loss in the whole body & depression that attends that kind of pain as

well. The upper cervical adjustment sounds logical to me because it's in the

neck where the thyroid is located, after all.

Yeah, like you with the " normal " diagnosis by my new doctor, she didn't advise

taking aspirin but did write me a Rx for Motrin. Not much difference there

really. Also told me to get counseling & she'd put me on an anti-depressant &

start walking for exercise every day. Like that's going to cure everything

else.....yeah, right! Then after you take the anti-depressants for a while &

gain tons of weight they can tell you how lazy you are & you eat too much &

that's your only problem. Who needs this?

Actually tho psychiatrists are worse than all doctors & psychologists or other

counselors. I would never see any psychiatrist ever again unless they paid me to

counsel them. LOL!! And maybe not even then.

Caroline

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

Without proper care of our thyroids, the depression is going to be there.

It's on every list I've ever seen for hypoT.

Being told that your bloodwork is 'normal' when you feel awful is like saying;

it's in your head hon, take 2 aspirin's and call me in the morning while their

hoping you forget to call back! lol.

I find it an insult for a dr to even offer me a prescription for anti

depressants or a referral to a mental health professional, because he is

telling me he isn't interested in trying to find where the problem is. It's

easier to dose me up with an anti depressant that will pack on the lbs, and

doesn't address the real problem.

SandyE~Houston

[Guest guest]

Gosh, I'm wondering then, if the fall I had as a child when I cut my head near

my optic nerve at the base of the skull & screwed up my neck had anything to do

with messing up my thyroid back then? My neck curves the wrong way cutting off

the energy flow from the spinal cord to the glands & organs & there's no fixing

it after it's been that way for over 60 years. I've been depressed most of my

life since then. My mom used to tell me that after that fall & accident, I

changed, wasn't talking or thinking right anymore. She used to kid me that I

lost part of my brains in that accident.

I read online recently that upper cervical/atlas chiro adjustments will set the

entire spine alignment in place so it can heal properly but nothing short of

that will do it. I recently found an upper cervical chiro about 30 min. drive

south of me. I can't make an appointment tho until I get a car or get his broken

one fixed.

Other chiropractors have told me that when the spine is misaligned or the nerves

are pinched, etc., the organs don't get enough energy to them & can dysfunction

& cause serious or fatal illness...including the heart & brain. Not to mention

energy loss in the whole body & depression that attends that kind of pain as

well. The upper cervical adjustment sounds logical to me because it's in the

neck where the thyroid is located, after all.

Yeah, like you with the " normal " diagnosis by my new doctor, she didn't advise

taking aspirin but did write me a Rx for Motrin. Not much difference there

really. Also told me to get counseling & she'd put me on an anti-depressant &

start walking for exercise every day. Like that's going to cure everything

else.....yeah, right! Then after you take the anti-depressants for a while &

gain tons of weight they can tell you how lazy you are & you eat too much &

that's your only problem. Who needs this?

Actually tho psychiatrists are worse than all doctors & psychologists or other

counselors. I would never see any psychiatrist ever again unless they paid me to

counsel them. LOL!! And maybe not even then.

Caroline

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

Without proper care of our thyroids, the depression is going to be there.

It's on every list I've ever seen for hypoT.

Being told that your bloodwork is 'normal' when you feel awful is like saying;

it's in your head hon, take 2 aspirin's and call me in the morning while their

hoping you forget to call back! lol.

I find it an insult for a dr to even offer me a prescription for anti

depressants or a referral to a mental health professional, because he is

telling me he isn't interested in trying to find where the problem is. It's

easier to dose me up with an anti depressant that will pack on the lbs, and

doesn't address the real problem.

SandyE~Houston

[Guest guest]

Gosh, I'm wondering then, if the fall I had as a child when I cut my head near

my optic nerve at the base of the skull & screwed up my neck had anything to do

with messing up my thyroid back then? My neck curves the wrong way cutting off

the energy flow from the spinal cord to the glands & organs & there's no fixing

it after it's been that way for over 60 years. I've been depressed most of my

life since then. My mom used to tell me that after that fall & accident, I

changed, wasn't talking or thinking right anymore. She used to kid me that I

lost part of my brains in that accident.

I read online recently that upper cervical/atlas chiro adjustments will set the

entire spine alignment in place so it can heal properly but nothing short of

that will do it. I recently found an upper cervical chiro about 30 min. drive

south of me. I can't make an appointment tho until I get a car or get his broken

one fixed.

Other chiropractors have told me that when the spine is misaligned or the nerves

are pinched, etc., the organs don't get enough energy to them & can dysfunction

& cause serious or fatal illness...including the heart & brain. Not to mention

energy loss in the whole body & depression that attends that kind of pain as

well. The upper cervical adjustment sounds logical to me because it's in the

neck where the thyroid is located, after all.

Yeah, like you with the " normal " diagnosis by my new doctor, she didn't advise

taking aspirin but did write me a Rx for Motrin. Not much difference there

really. Also told me to get counseling & she'd put me on an anti-depressant &

start walking for exercise every day. Like that's going to cure everything

else.....yeah, right! Then after you take the anti-depressants for a while &

gain tons of weight they can tell you how lazy you are & you eat too much &

that's your only problem. Who needs this?

Actually tho psychiatrists are worse than all doctors & psychologists or other

counselors. I would never see any psychiatrist ever again unless they paid me to

counsel them. LOL!! And maybe not even then.

Caroline

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

Without proper care of our thyroids, the depression is going to be there.

It's on every list I've ever seen for hypoT.

Being told that your bloodwork is 'normal' when you feel awful is like saying;

it's in your head hon, take 2 aspirin's and call me in the morning while their

hoping you forget to call back! lol.

I find it an insult for a dr to even offer me a prescription for anti

depressants or a referral to a mental health professional, because he is

telling me he isn't interested in trying to find where the problem is. It's

easier to dose me up with an anti depressant that will pack on the lbs, and

doesn't address the real problem.

SandyE~Houston

[Guest guest]

That's a great feeling indeed.

Re: Pain in arms and legs

it was great encouragementment for me too and relief. i let out a

big ahhhhhhhhhhh and felt like i could breath again and i had a

prupose for being on this planet. the meds are still super new to

my bod now and i know it will take time. i also KNOW! they WILL

kick in and i WILL feel good.

kathryn

[Guest guest]

My knees were so bad and my wrists and thumbs that the x-rays, yes, x-rays

showed sever osteo. I was unable to walk up stairs. Now I am back to

exercising. I could not use scissors and open even the already opened face

cream jar. Now my hands have no pain at all and the knees are pretty good

for supporting an old fat broad!

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: <NaturalThyroidHormones >

>Subject: Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:57:24 -0700These symptoms sound just like mine. I

>thought it was just aging & my 40 years of spinal degeneration/scoliosis.

>Or that's what the doctors have been telling me anyway.

>

[Guest guest]

No, varicose veins aren't just THERE, they do hurt, as in an ache in the

leg, if they are severe enough, or a stinging sensation sometimes. Aging

isn't a sign of them, I've had them since I was around 20 yrs old. One of

my daughters has had them since she was 14 yrs old, believe it or not, and

the other two don't have them at all. Varicose veins are caused by faulty

valves in the legs that are supposed to shuttle all the blood back up out of

the leg, but don't. They are inherited, the valve problems, that is. I've

seen many very overweight women or men who will never have them, and then

I've seen very thin women who got them early on, even though they never

smoked a cigarette in their lives and aerobicized their bodies constantly.

I don't have pain in mine any more, except maybe now and then, if I stand in

one place for two long, without walking or sitting down. Mine started first

behind the knees, then progressed to the calf of each leg. Now they are

also in the thighs. They did improve when I was a 5 mile a day runner just

a few short yrs ago. Running or fast walking helps pump the blood up out of

the leg to make up for the weak valves.

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

>

> varicose veins don't hurt, they're just *there*. some say unsightly.

> but they are common symptoms of aging and pregnancy and i don't know

> that they hurt.

>

> has your thyroid level remained consistent for the last 15 years or

> have you had trouble with it recently?

>

> b

[Guest guest]

Yes, and the scary part about folic acid or b12 deficiency is that you can

have this deficiency for 20 yrs or so, and it may not manifest on the red

blood cell counts until it is at a grave point, which means that it has to

be acted on FAST. The elderly are even MUCH more likely to have these

anemias than younger people.

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

>

> Caroline,

> no that's not exactly what I meant. Certain things do improve

dramatically quite fast, depression being one of those things. And when

you're not feeling depressed any more, everything looks brighter.

> I had to give up work about 18 months ago as I just couldn't manage it

anymore. Since I have been on armour several things have improved, but you

know when you don't experience something anymore how hard it is to think of

what exactly has improved. I should have kept a diary so that I could look

back and see exactly what the improvements were, do you know what I mean?

> I do know that I used to feel desperately sad and cried for days on end.

I don't do that anymore. I used to lie awake night after night and I don't

do that anymore. My muscle pain has improved tremendously. There are

other things but I just can't think of what they are right now.

> Don't give up hope because some of us are taking a long time to heal. As

well as being hypo there are other things to consider too, anemia being one

of them. I found out that I had a folic acid deficiency and since I added

folic acid to my regimen I feel so much better. Just a pity that the doc

didn't act on the lab report that indicated the deficiency years and years

ago.

> Lynda (in the UK)

[Guest guest]

Yes, and the scary part about folic acid or b12 deficiency is that you can

have this deficiency for 20 yrs or so, and it may not manifest on the red

blood cell counts until it is at a grave point, which means that it has to

be acted on FAST. The elderly are even MUCH more likely to have these

anemias than younger people.

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

>

> Caroline,

> no that's not exactly what I meant. Certain things do improve

dramatically quite fast, depression being one of those things. And when

you're not feeling depressed any more, everything looks brighter.

> I had to give up work about 18 months ago as I just couldn't manage it

anymore. Since I have been on armour several things have improved, but you

know when you don't experience something anymore how hard it is to think of

what exactly has improved. I should have kept a diary so that I could look

back and see exactly what the improvements were, do you know what I mean?

> I do know that I used to feel desperately sad and cried for days on end.

I don't do that anymore. I used to lie awake night after night and I don't

do that anymore. My muscle pain has improved tremendously. There are

other things but I just can't think of what they are right now.

> Don't give up hope because some of us are taking a long time to heal. As

well as being hypo there are other things to consider too, anemia being one

of them. I found out that I had a folic acid deficiency and since I added

folic acid to my regimen I feel so much better. Just a pity that the doc

didn't act on the lab report that indicated the deficiency years and years

ago.

> Lynda (in the UK)

[Guest guest]

Exactly. And, from person to person, the damages may be different. Some

people are already stronger in some areas of their bodies, and may not have

developed particular damages for a much longer time than other persons.

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

>

> In a message dated 10/14/2004 4:01:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> 420@... writes:

>

> >

> > i don't believe it takes years. the recovery window for people who

> > have gotten on the right dosage and right meds that i've read about has

> > been fairly small. days to weeks

>

> I think that folks may feel a difference in weeks. But if one has been

> untreated or undertreated...the answer to total healing is often years.

One

> doesn't undo 25 years damage to the body in 3 weeks. Also, it is quite

possible one

> may have permanent damage in some areas.

> Cindi

[Guest guest]

Exactly. And, from person to person, the damages may be different. Some

people are already stronger in some areas of their bodies, and may not have

developed particular damages for a much longer time than other persons.

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

>

> In a message dated 10/14/2004 4:01:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> 420@... writes:

>

> >

> > i don't believe it takes years. the recovery window for people who

> > have gotten on the right dosage and right meds that i've read about has

> > been fairly small. days to weeks

>

> I think that folks may feel a difference in weeks. But if one has been

> untreated or undertreated...the answer to total healing is often years.

One

> doesn't undo 25 years damage to the body in 3 weeks. Also, it is quite

possible one

> may have permanent damage in some areas.

> Cindi