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In a message dated 10/14/2004 1:03:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

angel_lts@... writes:

> When I push on them it hurts.

> My husband is always clowning around poking, hitting... and it really

> hurts my arms that it is hard for him to remember.

> I have ask doctors about it, and they can not give me and answer

I have been this way all my life. I just thought I was really sensitive.

But any little friendly swat really HURT me. I've been on Armour about 8 months

and I would say I'm not like I used to be. So maybe it is something to do

with thyroid.

Cindi

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In a message dated 10/14/2004 1:03:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

angel_lts@... writes:

> When I push on them it hurts.

> My husband is always clowning around poking, hitting... and it really

> hurts my arms that it is hard for him to remember.

> I have ask doctors about it, and they can not give me and answer

I have been this way all my life. I just thought I was really sensitive.

But any little friendly swat really HURT me. I've been on Armour about 8 months

and I would say I'm not like I used to be. So maybe it is something to do

with thyroid.

Cindi

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In a message dated 10/14/2004 3:35:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

MamaMaha@... writes:

> Oh geez, then even on the Armour it could take years before I get to

> feeling any better? Not much encouragement there.

>

it was to me. for someone who had spent 15 years feeling really bad..it was a

relief to know what was wrong...and that healing could begin.

cindi

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In a message dated 10/14/2004 3:35:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

MamaMaha@... writes:

> Oh geez, then even on the Armour it could take years before I get to

> feeling any better? Not much encouragement there.

>

it was to me. for someone who had spent 15 years feeling really bad..it was a

relief to know what was wrong...and that healing could begin.

cindi

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In a message dated 10/14/2004 4:01:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

>

> i don't believe it takes years. the recovery window for people who

> have gotten on the right dosage and right meds that i've read about has

> been fairly small. days to weeks

I think that folks may feel a difference in weeks. But if one has been

untreated or undertreated...the answer to total healing is often years. One

doesn't undo 25 years damage to the body in 3 weeks. Also, it is quite possible

one

may have permanent damage in some areas.

Cindi

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In a message dated 10/14/2004 4:01:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

>

> i don't believe it takes years. the recovery window for people who

> have gotten on the right dosage and right meds that i've read about has

> been fairly small. days to weeks

I think that folks may feel a difference in weeks. But if one has been

untreated or undertreated...the answer to total healing is often years. One

doesn't undo 25 years damage to the body in 3 weeks. Also, it is quite possible

one

may have permanent damage in some areas.

Cindi

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I have this type of pain all over and it sounds like it could be the same

fibromyalgia type pain you are getting. Some people (myself included) believe

that fibromyalgia is just undiagnosed hypo and will improve once you are on the

correct dose of thyroid meds.

Lynda (in the UK)

Pain in arms and legs

When my children push on my arms or I just wrap my legs around a chair

it hurts. It seems like it is the veins. When I push on them it hurts.

My husband is always clowning around poking, hitting... and it really

hurts my arms that it is hard for him to remember.

I have ask doctors about it, and they can not give me and answer. I

thought it was my anti-convulsant meds, but my doctor said no. Is it

something else. Does it have to do with the thyroid? I am not on

Armour I am still on synthroid.

thanks

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I have this type of pain all over and it sounds like it could be the same

fibromyalgia type pain you are getting. Some people (myself included) believe

that fibromyalgia is just undiagnosed hypo and will improve once you are on the

correct dose of thyroid meds.

Lynda (in the UK)

Pain in arms and legs

When my children push on my arms or I just wrap my legs around a chair

it hurts. It seems like it is the veins. When I push on them it hurts.

My husband is always clowning around poking, hitting... and it really

hurts my arms that it is hard for him to remember.

I have ask doctors about it, and they can not give me and answer. I

thought it was my anti-convulsant meds, but my doctor said no. Is it

something else. Does it have to do with the thyroid? I am not on

Armour I am still on synthroid.

thanks

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I have this type of pain all over and it sounds like it could be the same

fibromyalgia type pain you are getting. Some people (myself included) believe

that fibromyalgia is just undiagnosed hypo and will improve once you are on the

correct dose of thyroid meds.

Lynda (in the UK)

Pain in arms and legs

When my children push on my arms or I just wrap my legs around a chair

it hurts. It seems like it is the veins. When I push on them it hurts.

My husband is always clowning around poking, hitting... and it really

hurts my arms that it is hard for him to remember.

I have ask doctors about it, and they can not give me and answer. I

thought it was my anti-convulsant meds, but my doctor said no. Is it

something else. Does it have to do with the thyroid? I am not on

Armour I am still on synthroid.

thanks

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HMMMMM

I also thought maybe it was vericous?? veins( which I dont think I

have. It does run in the family my sister and mother have it bad.

I will have to ask the doctor about that. the only thing is, it has

been this way for just about a 1-1/2 and I have had thyroid problems

for 15 years.

Thanks for the info I will bring it up to my doctor,

> In a message dated 10/14/2004 1:03:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> angel_lts@y... writes:

>

> > When I push on them it hurts.

> > My husband is always clowning around poking, hitting... and it really

> > hurts my arms that it is hard for him to remember.

> > I have ask doctors about it, and they can not give me and answer

>

> I have been this way all my life. I just thought I was really

sensitive.

> But any little friendly swat really HURT me. I've been on Armour

about 8 months

> and I would say I'm not like I used to be. So maybe it is something

to do

> with thyroid.

> Cindi

>

>

>

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HMMMMM

I also thought maybe it was vericous?? veins( which I dont think I

have. It does run in the family my sister and mother have it bad.

I will have to ask the doctor about that. the only thing is, it has

been this way for just about a 1-1/2 and I have had thyroid problems

for 15 years.

Thanks for the info I will bring it up to my doctor,

> In a message dated 10/14/2004 1:03:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> angel_lts@y... writes:

>

> > When I push on them it hurts.

> > My husband is always clowning around poking, hitting... and it really

> > hurts my arms that it is hard for him to remember.

> > I have ask doctors about it, and they can not give me and answer

>

> I have been this way all my life. I just thought I was really

sensitive.

> But any little friendly swat really HURT me. I've been on Armour

about 8 months

> and I would say I'm not like I used to be. So maybe it is something

to do

> with thyroid.

> Cindi

>

>

>

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In a message dated 10/14/2004 5:29:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,

starz@... writes:

> To me, finding a dr that I have to beg for

> enuff medicine to help me to feel human is beneath me. I'm not

> begging. I can order it, and I can read and only focus on one

> thing......learning how to dose myself.

>

amen to that. i went thru two doctors before doing it on my own. I would

have NEVER gotten well with those doctors. the first one thought a Free T4 of

..77 was just fine. The second one got all upset when I started feeling much

better because my TSH was too low for her. Screw doctors. forgive the

language. I'm normally pretty nice...but doctors kept me sick all my life...and

enough is enough.

cindi

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In a message dated 10/14/2004 5:29:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,

starz@... writes:

> To me, finding a dr that I have to beg for

> enuff medicine to help me to feel human is beneath me. I'm not

> begging. I can order it, and I can read and only focus on one

> thing......learning how to dose myself.

>

amen to that. i went thru two doctors before doing it on my own. I would

have NEVER gotten well with those doctors. the first one thought a Free T4 of

..77 was just fine. The second one got all upset when I started feeling much

better because my TSH was too low for her. Screw doctors. forgive the

language. I'm normally pretty nice...but doctors kept me sick all my life...and

enough is enough.

cindi

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In a message dated 10/14/2004 5:29:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,

starz@... writes:

> To me, finding a dr that I have to beg for

> enuff medicine to help me to feel human is beneath me. I'm not

> begging. I can order it, and I can read and only focus on one

> thing......learning how to dose myself.

>

amen to that. i went thru two doctors before doing it on my own. I would

have NEVER gotten well with those doctors. the first one thought a Free T4 of

..77 was just fine. The second one got all upset when I started feeling much

better because my TSH was too low for her. Screw doctors. forgive the

language. I'm normally pretty nice...but doctors kept me sick all my life...and

enough is enough.

cindi

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In a message dated 10/14/2004 5:46:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

MamaMaha@... writes:

> Are there days we feel better & others we just wish we were dead because

> everything looks so bleak & we're in such pain, emotionally as well as

> physically?

>

>

YES. I had a bad day yesterday. but for two days prior to that I had worked

out in the yard for over 4 hours each day. i just crashed. it's hard to

remember that you felt good when you feel bad. I thought about circling the

" good " days on the calendar so that I can really see I have much more good than

bad days. Today, I was all recovered...felt great.

I was skimming thru Dr. Durrant-Peatfield's book today...and saw where he

says this...good days and bad days. it's the nature of the disease.

Cindi

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In a message dated 10/14/2004 5:46:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

MamaMaha@... writes:

> Are there days we feel better & others we just wish we were dead because

> everything looks so bleak & we're in such pain, emotionally as well as

> physically?

>

>

YES. I had a bad day yesterday. but for two days prior to that I had worked

out in the yard for over 4 hours each day. i just crashed. it's hard to

remember that you felt good when you feel bad. I thought about circling the

" good " days on the calendar so that I can really see I have much more good than

bad days. Today, I was all recovered...felt great.

I was skimming thru Dr. Durrant-Peatfield's book today...and saw where he

says this...good days and bad days. it's the nature of the disease.

Cindi

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In a message dated 10/14/2004 5:46:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

MamaMaha@... writes:

> Are there days we feel better & others we just wish we were dead because

> everything looks so bleak & we're in such pain, emotionally as well as

> physically?

>

>

YES. I had a bad day yesterday. but for two days prior to that I had worked

out in the yard for over 4 hours each day. i just crashed. it's hard to

remember that you felt good when you feel bad. I thought about circling the

" good " days on the calendar so that I can really see I have much more good than

bad days. Today, I was all recovered...felt great.

I was skimming thru Dr. Durrant-Peatfield's book today...and saw where he

says this...good days and bad days. it's the nature of the disease.

Cindi

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Oh now that is interesting. I looked it up and I have alot of those

symptoms. Do you still have pain after you have had your meds

adjusted? I will have to get blood work done soon.

thanks

> I have this type of pain all over and it sounds like it could be the

same fibromyalgia type pain you are getting. Some people (myself

included) believe that fibromyalgia is just undiagnosed hypo and will

improve once you are on the correct dose of thyroid meds.

> Lynda (in the UK)

> Pain in arms and legs

>

>

>

> When my children push on my arms or I just wrap my legs around a chair

> it hurts. It seems like it is the veins. When I push on them it hurts.

> My husband is always clowning around poking, hitting... and it really

> hurts my arms that it is hard for him to remember.

> I have ask doctors about it, and they can not give me and answer.

> thought it was my anti-convulsant meds, but my doctor said no. Is it

> something else. Does it have to do with the thyroid? I am not on

> Armour I am still on synthroid.

> thanks

>

>

>

>

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since i have had this, i have over and above my joint pains and muscle

aches, developed a much lower tolerance for pain than i normally did.

sometimes brushing against a door sill as i walk into a room leaves me

in burning agony. ditto bumps and pokes and fooling around. it could

be symptoms of fibromyalgia which i may have developed because of this.

best,

baron

>

>

> When my children push on my arms or I just wrap my legs around a chair

> it hurts. It seems like it is the veins. When I push on them it hurts.

> My husband is always clowning around poking, hitting... and it really

> hurts my arms that it is hard for him to remember.

> I have ask doctors about it, and they can not give me and answer. I

> thought it was my anti-convulsant meds, but my doctor said no. Is it

> something else. Does it have to do with the thyroid? I am not on

> Armour I am still on synthroid.

> thanks

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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varicose veins don't hurt, they're just *there*. some say unsightly.

but they are common symptoms of aging and pregnancy and i don't know

that they hurt.

has your thyroid level remained consistent for the last 15 years or

have you had trouble with it recently?

b

>

>

> HMMMMM

> I also thought maybe it was vericous?? veins( which I dont think I

> have. It does run in the family my sister and mother have it bad.

>

> I will have to ask the doctor about that. the only thing is, it has

> been this way for just about a 1-1/2 and I have had thyroid problems

> for 15 years.

> Thanks for the info I will bring it up to my doctor,

>

>

>

>

>> In a message dated 10/14/2004 1:03:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>> angel_lts@y... writes:

>>

>>> When I push on them it hurts.

>>> My husband is always clowning around poking, hitting... and it really

>>> hurts my arms that it is hard for him to remember.

>>> I have ask doctors about it, and they can not give me and answer

>>

>> I have been this way all my life. I just thought I was really

> sensitive.

>> But any little friendly swat really HURT me. I've been on Armour

> about 8 months

>> and I would say I'm not like I used to be. So maybe it is something

> to do

>> with thyroid.

>> Cindi

>>

>>

>>

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varicose veins don't hurt, they're just *there*. some say unsightly.

but they are common symptoms of aging and pregnancy and i don't know

that they hurt.

has your thyroid level remained consistent for the last 15 years or

have you had trouble with it recently?

b

>

>

> HMMMMM

> I also thought maybe it was vericous?? veins( which I dont think I

> have. It does run in the family my sister and mother have it bad.

>

> I will have to ask the doctor about that. the only thing is, it has

> been this way for just about a 1-1/2 and I have had thyroid problems

> for 15 years.

> Thanks for the info I will bring it up to my doctor,

>

>

>

>

>> In a message dated 10/14/2004 1:03:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>> angel_lts@y... writes:

>>

>>> When I push on them it hurts.

>>> My husband is always clowning around poking, hitting... and it really

>>> hurts my arms that it is hard for him to remember.

>>> I have ask doctors about it, and they can not give me and answer

>>

>> I have been this way all my life. I just thought I was really

> sensitive.

>> But any little friendly swat really HURT me. I've been on Armour

> about 8 months

>> and I would say I'm not like I used to be. So maybe it is something

> to do

>> with thyroid.

>> Cindi

>>

>>

>>

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varicose veins don't hurt, they're just *there*. some say unsightly.

but they are common symptoms of aging and pregnancy and i don't know

that they hurt.

has your thyroid level remained consistent for the last 15 years or

have you had trouble with it recently?

b

>

>

> HMMMMM

> I also thought maybe it was vericous?? veins( which I dont think I

> have. It does run in the family my sister and mother have it bad.

>

> I will have to ask the doctor about that. the only thing is, it has

> been this way for just about a 1-1/2 and I have had thyroid problems

> for 15 years.

> Thanks for the info I will bring it up to my doctor,

>

>

>

>

>> In a message dated 10/14/2004 1:03:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>> angel_lts@y... writes:

>>

>>> When I push on them it hurts.

>>> My husband is always clowning around poking, hitting... and it really

>>> hurts my arms that it is hard for him to remember.

>>> I have ask doctors about it, and they can not give me and answer

>>

>> I have been this way all my life. I just thought I was really

> sensitive.

>> But any little friendly swat really HURT me. I've been on Armour

> about 8 months

>> and I would say I'm not like I used to be. So maybe it is something

> to do

>> with thyroid.

>> Cindi

>>

>>

>>

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oh, I beg to differ on that one <g>

My mother had varicose veins in both legs and suffered terrible pain with them.

Maybe it depends on how bad they are (hers stood out from the skin like purple

grapes)

However, I've never heard of anyone getting them in their arms, only legs, so I

don't think the pain would be from varicose veins in this instance

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

varicose veins don't hurt, they're just *there*. some say unsightly.

but they are common symptoms of aging and pregnancy and i don't know

that they hurt.

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oh, I beg to differ on that one <g>

My mother had varicose veins in both legs and suffered terrible pain with them.

Maybe it depends on how bad they are (hers stood out from the skin like purple

grapes)

However, I've never heard of anyone getting them in their arms, only legs, so I

don't think the pain would be from varicose veins in this instance

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

varicose veins don't hurt, they're just *there*. some say unsightly.

but they are common symptoms of aging and pregnancy and i don't know

that they hurt.

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I also have that type of pain. It even hurts me to hug people at times, let

alone allow them to touch me except extremely gently.

Re: Pain in arms and legs

I have this type of pain all over and it sounds like it could be the same

fibromyalgia type pain you are getting. Some people (myself included) believe

that fibromyalgia is just undiagnosed hypo and will improve once you are on the

correct dose of thyroid meds.

Lynda (in the UK)

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