Re: Pain in arms and legs

October 14, 2004

I also have that type of pain. It even hurts me to hug people at times, let

alone allow them to touch me except extremely gently.

I have this type of pain all over and it sounds like it could be the same

fibromyalgia type pain you are getting. Some people (myself included) believe

that fibromyalgia is just undiagnosed hypo and will improve once you are on the

correct dose of thyroid meds.

Lynda (in the UK)

October 14, 2004

Oh geez, then even on the Armour it could take years before I get to feeling any

better? Not much encouragement there.

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

,

Unfortunately I'm not at that stage yet, but a lot of others on this forum

have said they experienced a lessening of pain once they were on their optimum

dose of armour.

I think it also depends on how long you have been hypo and untreated. For

myself, it is a looooong time. When you have been untreated for such a long

time you have changes at cell level and that takes a long time to reverse.

Armour is not a quick fix, it takes a long time to get to the correct dosage

level for a start and then it needs to get into the cells to be able to reverse

the damage.

Lynda (in the UK)

October 14, 2004

Oh geez, then even on the Armour it could take years before I get to feeling any

better? Not much encouragement there.

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

,

Unfortunately I'm not at that stage yet, but a lot of others on this forum

have said they experienced a lessening of pain once they were on their optimum

dose of armour.

I think it also depends on how long you have been hypo and untreated. For

myself, it is a looooong time. When you have been untreated for such a long

time you have changes at cell level and that takes a long time to reverse.

Armour is not a quick fix, it takes a long time to get to the correct dosage

level for a start and then it needs to get into the cells to be able to reverse

the damage.

Lynda (in the UK)

October 14, 2004

Oh geez, then even on the Armour it could take years before I get to feeling any

better? Not much encouragement there.

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

,

Unfortunately I'm not at that stage yet, but a lot of others on this forum

have said they experienced a lessening of pain once they were on their optimum

dose of armour.

I think it also depends on how long you have been hypo and untreated. For

myself, it is a looooong time. When you have been untreated for such a long

time you have changes at cell level and that takes a long time to reverse.

Armour is not a quick fix, it takes a long time to get to the correct dosage

level for a start and then it needs to get into the cells to be able to reverse

the damage.

Lynda (in the UK)

October 14, 2004

In a message dated 10/14/2004 6:06:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> i do not believe it will take years for me to get

> better,

i think we may just be disagreeing about " feeling better " and being comletely

healed. I felt better the first week, better still after one month and doing

pretty darn good at 6 months. But is my body healed completely from years of

hypo? No...that will take some time.

Cindi

October 14, 2004

yes you right not in the arms. My mom has it very bad, just popping

out between her legs and so does my sister. so I guess it is not that.

> oh, I beg to differ on that one <g>

> My mother had varicose veins in both legs and suffered terrible pain

with them. Maybe it depends on how bad they are (hers stood out from

the skin like purple grapes)

> However, I've never heard of anyone getting them in their arms, only

legs, so I don't think the pain would be from varicose veins in this

instance

> Lynda (in the UK)

> Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

>

> varicose veins don't hurt, they're just *there*. some say

unsightly.

> but they are common symptoms of aging and pregnancy and i don't know

> that they hurt.

>

October 14, 2004

i don't believe it takes years. the recovery window for people who

have gotten on the right dosage and right meds that i've read about has

been fairly small. days to weeks. one gentlemen on the

alt.support.thyroid newgroup says his wife, after starting on t3, felt

better in 24 hours, after years of pain and suffering.

from what i've seen and read, it looks like dosing with the meds isn't

the hard part--it's finding the doctor who will do it. that seems to

be where most of us seem to be spending most of our energy. it's a

shame.

b

>

> Oh geez, then even on the Armour it could take years before I get to

> feeling any better? Not much encouragement there.

> Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

>

> ,

> Unfortunately I'm not at that stage yet, but a lot of others on this

> forum have said they experienced a lessening of pain once they were on

> their optimum dose of armour.

> I think it also depends on how long you have been hypo and

> untreated. For myself, it is a looooong time. When you have been

> untreated for such a long time you have changes at cell level and that

> takes a long time to reverse. Armour is not a quick fix, it takes a

> long time to get to the correct dosage level for a start and then it

> needs to get into the cells to be able to reverse the damage.

> Lynda (in the UK)

>

October 14, 2004

i don't believe it takes years. the recovery window for people who

have gotten on the right dosage and right meds that i've read about has

been fairly small. days to weeks. one gentlemen on the

alt.support.thyroid newgroup says his wife, after starting on t3, felt

better in 24 hours, after years of pain and suffering.

from what i've seen and read, it looks like dosing with the meds isn't

the hard part--it's finding the doctor who will do it. that seems to

be where most of us seem to be spending most of our energy. it's a

shame.

b

>

> Oh geez, then even on the Armour it could take years before I get to

> feeling any better? Not much encouragement there.

> Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

>

> ,

> Unfortunately I'm not at that stage yet, but a lot of others on this

> forum have said they experienced a lessening of pain once they were on

> their optimum dose of armour.

> I think it also depends on how long you have been hypo and

> untreated. For myself, it is a looooong time. When you have been

> untreated for such a long time you have changes at cell level and that

> takes a long time to reverse. Armour is not a quick fix, it takes a

> long time to get to the correct dosage level for a start and then it

> needs to get into the cells to be able to reverse the damage.

> Lynda (in the UK)

>

October 14, 2004

Caroline,

no that's not exactly what I meant. Certain things do improve dramatically

quite fast, depression being one of those things. And when you're not feeling

depressed any more, everything looks brighter.

I had to give up work about 18 months ago as I just couldn't manage it anymore.

Since I have been on armour several things have improved, but you know when you

don't experience something anymore how hard it is to think of what exactly has

improved. I should have kept a diary so that I could look back and see exactly

what the improvements were, do you know what I mean?

I do know that I used to feel desperately sad and cried for days on end. I

don't do that anymore. I used to lie awake night after night and I don't do

that anymore. My muscle pain has improved tremendously. There are other

things but I just can't think of what they are right now.

Don't give up hope because some of us are taking a long time to heal. As well

as being hypo there are other things to consider too, anemia being one of them.

I found out that I had a folic acid deficiency and since I added folic acid to

my regimen I feel so much better. Just a pity that the doc didn't act on the

lab report that indicated the deficiency years and years ago.

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

Oh geez, then even on the Armour it could take years before I get to feeling

any better? Not much encouragement there.

October 14, 2004

Caroline,

no that's not exactly what I meant. Certain things do improve dramatically

quite fast, depression being one of those things. And when you're not feeling

depressed any more, everything looks brighter.

I had to give up work about 18 months ago as I just couldn't manage it anymore.

Since I have been on armour several things have improved, but you know when you

don't experience something anymore how hard it is to think of what exactly has

improved. I should have kept a diary so that I could look back and see exactly

what the improvements were, do you know what I mean?

I do know that I used to feel desperately sad and cried for days on end. I

don't do that anymore. I used to lie awake night after night and I don't do

that anymore. My muscle pain has improved tremendously. There are other

things but I just can't think of what they are right now.

Don't give up hope because some of us are taking a long time to heal. As well

as being hypo there are other things to consider too, anemia being one of them.

I found out that I had a folic acid deficiency and since I added folic acid to

my regimen I feel so much better. Just a pity that the doc didn't act on the

lab report that indicated the deficiency years and years ago.

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

Oh geez, then even on the Armour it could take years before I get to feeling

any better? Not much encouragement there.

October 14, 2004

Caroline,

no that's not exactly what I meant. Certain things do improve dramatically

quite fast, depression being one of those things. And when you're not feeling

depressed any more, everything looks brighter.

I had to give up work about 18 months ago as I just couldn't manage it anymore.

Since I have been on armour several things have improved, but you know when you

don't experience something anymore how hard it is to think of what exactly has

improved. I should have kept a diary so that I could look back and see exactly

what the improvements were, do you know what I mean?

I do know that I used to feel desperately sad and cried for days on end. I

don't do that anymore. I used to lie awake night after night and I don't do

that anymore. My muscle pain has improved tremendously. There are other

things but I just can't think of what they are right now.

Don't give up hope because some of us are taking a long time to heal. As well

as being hypo there are other things to consider too, anemia being one of them.

I found out that I had a folic acid deficiency and since I added folic acid to

my regimen I feel so much better. Just a pity that the doc didn't act on the

lab report that indicated the deficiency years and years ago.

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

Oh geez, then even on the Armour it could take years before I get to feeling

any better? Not much encouragement there.

October 14, 2004

Thanks to everyone who has answered my posts. It is so helpful. I have

been wining for a 1-1/2 about the pain in my legs and arms to my

family and doctor and no one could figure it out.

I will get that checked out.

thanks a million

>

> When my children push on my arms or I just wrap my legs around a chair

> it hurts. It seems like it is the veins. When I push on them it hurts.

> My husband is always clowning around poking, hitting... and it really

> hurts my arms that it is hard for him to remember.

> I have ask doctors about it, and they can not give me and answer. I

> thought it was my anti-convulsant meds, but my doctor said no. Is it

> something else. Does it have to do with the thyroid? I am not on

> Armour I am still on synthroid.

> thanks

>

October 14, 2004

Well, let's hope if I change to Armour then I'll feel better in less time than a

few years.

Caroline

Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

i don't believe it takes years. the recovery window for people who

have gotten on the right dosage and right meds that i've read about has

been fairly small. days to weeks. one gentlemen on the

alt.support.thyroid newgroup says his wife, after starting on t3, felt

better in 24 hours, after years of pain and suffering.

October 14, 2004

Caroline, while some people do have problems, I always have to remind

myself of a few things when I'm considering Armour over any other

treatment. It doesn't always take years. We all have to remember

that under a dr's care, even with Armour, without it being in a proper

dosage for us, can be like taking nothing. Dr's are strange creatures

and one who doesn't suffer with this disease only knows what he reads.

We on the other hand come here, learn and find out we've been grossly

mismanaged, and then we have to make choices.

I self medicate. The dr doesn't tell me how much to take. I take

what I've learned from here, and I make sure I order at least two

bottles of it at a time. It's cheaper on me ordering 2-4 bottles at a

time, and I also can share it with my Mom, when she took it. She will

tell you that she'd been off of it (thyroid replacement) for years,

since I was very young, under age 5. I am now 50. She was without

those meds for at least 45 yrs and noticed a big difference in no feet

pain, no leg pain, no back pain and she works on her feet all day long

at age 70?

Will it work for you that way? We will never know until you get a

prescription for it, or you decide to try it be self medicating where

many of us are at now. To me, finding a dr that I have to beg for

enuff medicine to help me to feel human is beneath me. I'm not

begging. I can order it, and I can read and only focus on one

thing......learning how to dose myself.

SandyE~Houston

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:11:51 -0700

" Caroline Pollak " wrote:

> Oh geez, then even on the Armour it could take years before I

>get to feeling any better? Not much encouragement there.

> Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

>

> ,

> Unfortunately I'm not at that stage yet, but a lot of others on

>this forum have said they experienced a lessening of pain once they

>were on their optimum dose of armour.

> I think it also depends on how long you have been hypo and

>untreated. For myself, it is a looooong time. When you have been

>untreated for such a long time you have changes at cell level and

>that takes a long time to reverse. Armour is not a quick fix, it

>takes a long time to get to the correct dosage level for a start and

>then it needs to get into the cells to be able to reverse the damage.

> Lynda (in the UK)

>

October 14, 2004

In a message dated 10/14/2004 8:13:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

starz@... writes:

> Something about that card from my dr saying: you are normal and everything

> is fine, went over like a turd in a punchbowl after about 24 hours, for me.

sometimes you are just so eloquent...and gosh...you have the same attitude i

do...feels good to get feisty again, doesn't it?

cindi

October 14, 2004

In a message dated 10/14/2004 8:34:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

artisticgroom@... writes:

> I think this is one of the LONG term damages that takes forever to

> heal in this disease. Hopefully the heart can recover and normalize even

> after 25 years of not working properly

i'm hoping on this one too...

cindi

October 14, 2004

In a message dated 10/14/2004 9:22:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,

420@... writes:

> while obviously exercise and athleticism strengthen the heart, it is a

> muscle that works constantly and doesn't atrophy.

>

i think what it does in hypo is cause heart enlargement and the hypo also

causes hardening of the arteries.

cindi

October 14, 2004

That can very much so be a part of the problem Baron. A dr who isn't

going to let you have what your body needs isn't going to get you in

optimal health, regardless. They are still going to make money off the

insurance, but without considering our symptoms, and then dosing...we

aren't going to get better. I can't count the posts I've read who say:

my dr prescribed Armour and he's going to up in 30-60 days, whatever

and then they say, gosh, Armour isn't helping. I feel worse.

Undermedication which is as bad as overmedication never enters their

thought process is my guess.

If I thought the dr's were smart enuff, after seeing 3 Endo's, I'd

gladly give up self medicating and go the route of the dutiful

patient. I've found however if you're dealing with a dr, you're most

likely going to not get what 'our bodies' need to feel our best.

I had to quit reading some of the things I was reading online because

there were too many people who were just too willing to sit around and

accept that this was 'their lot in life', for it to take years to get

a dosage right, or to feel better? Heck, I've wasted enuff time on

this disease is my feelings. If I can feel better and not have to

deal with a dummie who's got MD behind his name, then they really

leave me no choice. I'm too much of a rogue to put up with their lies

and misinformation anymore. I have you guys to cheer me on and give me

info that I need. :-)

While I realize that many people don't have the heart to self

medicate, and it is a personal choice for any of us dealing with this

disease.....we just have to reach a point where things aren't going

well enuff for us to want to get out of the 'funk' and proceed with

something that might work. I figured I really had nothing to lose. I

was right. :-) The dr was WRONG.

Oink :-)

SandyE~Houston

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:56:31 -0700

baron chat wrote:

> i don't believe it takes years. the recovery window for people

>who

> have gotten on the right dosage and right meds that i've read about

>has

> been fairly small. days to weeks. one gentlemen on the

> alt.support.thyroid newgroup says his wife, after starting on t3,

>felt

> better in 24 hours, after years of pain and suffering.

>

> from what i've seen and read, it looks like dosing with the meds

>isn't

> the hard part--it's finding the doctor who will do it. that seems

>to

> be where most of us seem to be spending most of our energy. it's a

> shame.

>

> b

>

> >

> > Oh geez, then even on the Armour it could take years before I get

>to

> > feeling any better? Not much encouragement there.

> > Re: Re: Pain in arms and legs

> >

> > ,

> > Unfortunately I'm not at that stage yet, but a lot of others on

>this

> > forum have said they experienced a lessening of pain once they

>were on

> > their optimum dose of armour.

> > I think it also depends on how long you have been hypo and

> > untreated. For myself, it is a looooong time. When you have

>been

> > untreated for such a long time you have changes at cell level and

>that

> > takes a long time to reverse. Armour is not a quick fix, it

>takes a

> > long time to get to the correct dosage level for a start and then

>it

> > needs to get into the cells to be able to reverse the damage.

> > Lynda (in the UK)

> >

October 14, 2004