Re: this morning

[Guest guest]

At 11:16 PM 7/6/05, SulaBlue wrote:

>Maybe by not realizing it's sweetened with *SUGAR* instead of splenda,

>aspartame, etc.

>

>Come on, sky. Don't be so hard on the girl. How many of us " old timers "

>have accidentally

>grabed the wrong soda? I seem to remember a discussion of that very thing

>not long ago -

>where some people had even had more than ONE of something before realizing

>it wasn't

>the diet version!

Okay, I apologize. Just a short fuse lately and a bit frustrated by all of

the accidental ingestion of things that happen. I admit I drank a regular

coke once when I thought I had the diet sort. Sighhh. Twenty whacks with a

wet noodle for me. No, wait...too many carbs in the noodle....

sky

[Guest guest]

Kathleen, what about a two hour bg test?

Helen

[Guest guest]

Bummer, they don't have the MM Light Lemonade

Maybe it wasn't 's that I saw it at. Wish I could remember where it was. I

don't eat

enough fast food to know.

SulaBlue

> I forgot to take my BG before dinner but with the Chicken BLT salad and the

> fruit salad it was only 122 an hour after dinner. Including the tea. I

> normally drink diet soda but I dislike diet coke and even the lemonade has

> sugar, 30 grams to 12 oz. I think I did pretty good.

>

> Kathleen

[Guest guest]

Kathleen, I hate the taste of most diet sodas also. But I tried the new " Pepsi

One " and it not bad for a diet pop. Although my favorite is the Strawberry

" Fruit 20 " . All the nutrition facts are 0, so it's become my favorite.

Mike

RE: Re: this morning

I forgot to take my BG before dinner but with the Chicken BLT salad and the

fruit salad it was only 122 an hour after dinner. Including the tea. I

normally drink diet soda but I dislike diet coke and even the lemonade has

sugar, 30 grams to 12 oz. I think I did pretty good.

Kathleen

[Guest guest]

If you were at 122 an hour after dinner, you did very well.

> I forgot to take my BG before dinner but with the Chicken BLT salad

and the

> fruit salad it was only 122 an hour after dinner. Including the

tea. I

> normally drink diet soda but I dislike diet coke and even the

lemonade has

> sugar, 30 grams to 12 oz. I think I did pretty good.

>

> Kathleen

[Guest guest]

Yeah, but that's what diabetes control is all about: Paying attention to

what you eat.

If you're diabetic and DON'T pay attention to what you eat, you're going

to end up possibly blind, possibly with kidney failure, possibly with

gastroparesis, possibly with premature heart disease, possibly with poor

wound healing and possibly even with amputations.

So doesn't this make it worth paying attention to what you eat?

It sure does for me.

Vicki

Re: this morning

> Kathleen posted

>> >Tonight we went to 's and I go a BLT salad and a raspberry

> tea, and

>> >then realized after I drank it that I remember it was sweetened and

> just one

>> >bottle has 30 grams of sugar.

>

> Sky replied:

>> How can you NOT realize something is sweetened after just one sip?

>

> replies:

> Not everyone pays attention to what they eat all the time. Eating can

> be very mechanical, especially if you are in a hurry or have other

> things on your mind.

>

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Yep. I never thought I'd like brussels sprouts. But I do now. And

steamed cabbage. And spinach.

Vicki

RE: this morning

> At 09:32 PM 7/6/05, Dances With Eagles wrote:

>

>>I wasn't sure about the food in the book as I didn't eat and don't eat

>>most

>>of it.

>

> Just what DO you eat that is also in the book? And are you willing to

> start trying new things? It's like we encourage our children to try at

> least one bite of something. Then we ask them to do it again on

> another

> day. You can learn to like things. Sometimes it's just cooking them a

> different way that will help.

>

>>Tonight we went to 's and I go a BLT salad and a raspberry tea,

>>and

>>then realized after I drank it that I remember it was sweetened and

>>just one

>>bottle has 30 grams of sugar.

>

> How can you NOT realize something is sweetened after just one sip?

> They

> have diet drinks there, don't they?

>

> The salad sounds like a good idea, though. Maybe you could have had

> two

> salads or a salad and a meat, fish, or chicken patty (throw out the

> bun if

> they don't offer it without one).

>

> sky

>

> PS: just read further on and see you've listed some things you

> like....

>

[Guest guest]

How long after that meal did you test?

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, ALC, Vit C, Calc/mag,

low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 40 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

> I forgot to take my BG before dinner but with the Chicken BLT

> salad and the fruit salad it was only 122 an hour after dinner.

> Including the tea. I normally drink diet soda but I dislike

> diet coke and even the lemonade has sugar, 30 grams to 12 oz.

>

> I think I did pretty good.

>

> Kathleen

>

So do I:-)

Cheers, Alan

[Guest guest]

At 12:13 AM 7/7/05, whimsy2 wrote:

>Yeah, but that's what diabetes control is all about: Paying attention to

>what you eat.

>

>If you're diabetic and DON'T pay attention to what you eat, you're going

>to end up possibly blind, possibly with kidney failure, possibly with

>gastroparesis, possibly with premature heart disease, possibly with poor

>wound healing and possibly even with amputations.

>

>So doesn't this make it worth paying attention to what you eat?

>

>It sure does for me.

It does for me, too, and believe me, after that mistake with the Coke I am

VERY careful now to double-check the packages of soda that I buy at the

store. I don't eat out often, but if I do and if I order a Coke I specify

" diet " . I often wonder if they are careful to do that or sometimes just

fill the glass with what is handy.

sky

[Guest guest]

At 12:14 AM 7/7/05, whimsy2 wrote:

>Yep. I never thought I'd like brussels sprouts. But I do now. And

>steamed cabbage. And spinach.

This is probably only because my parents did it that way, but I always put

a touch of vinegar on sprouts. Sometimes on Spinach, too, though I prefer

young spinach raw in a salad rather than cooked.

sky

[Guest guest]

Sky,

I can honestly tell you that restaurants (ESPECIALLY fast-food restaurants) have

very little

pride, or care, in service these days.

Three times I went to one restaurant - I specified NO ONIONS on my burger. Twice

I got

onions. The last time I got *EXTRA* onions. I took it back, explained and said

'Make it easy

- NO VEGETABLES.' Three separate people behind the counter asked 'So, ya want

jalapenos

on that.' NO? Did I not say 'no veggies?' Finally, the guy behind me pipes up

(very loudly)

" She said no (*#)(!)# veggies! "

Thankfully, I can taste the difference between diet coke and regular coke.

Leaving my

glucose meter sitting beside me at the table also seems to serve as a 'warning'

that they'd

best get it right. Odd, but I also very rarely get asked if I want dessert when

I leave it

sitting there

SulaBlue

>

> It does for me, too, and believe me, after that mistake with the Coke I am

> VERY careful now to double-check the packages of soda that I buy at the

> store. I don't eat out often, but if I do and if I order a Coke I specify

> " diet " . I often wonder if they are careful to do that or sometimes just

> fill the glass with what is handy.

>

> sky

[Guest guest]

> Not everyone pays attention to what they eat all the time. Eating can

> be very mechanical, especially if you are in a hurry or have other

> things on your mind.

I think this is why we are overweight. It's important to ENJOY your food.

Then you can be satisfied with less of it.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

I believe Bernstein reccommends taking some glucose strips along when

eating out to test any unknown food or drinks.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, ALC, Vit C, Calc/mag,

low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 40 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Hi Sky, Kathleen, and all,

> I don't eat out often, but if I do and if I order a Coke I specify

> " diet " . I often wonder if they are careful to do that or sometimes just

> fill the glass with what is handy.

Early in my own diabetes journal, I drank an iced tea that I thought

was artificially sweetened. Turns out, I was wrong. I thought it had

tasted better than a typical diet beverage <g>.

So, I took to carrying glucose test strips and testing my beverages.

On one occasion, I ordered diet and got regular. Soon thereafter, I

ceased consuming artificially sweetened beverages. They didn't seem to

taste good enough to be worth the bother.

I suspect that one such mistake now and then isn't likely to do

significant harm, except perhaps to morale. And, I myself certainly

don't see such a mistake as a moral failure. It's merely one event in

a learning process.

We all have preferred modes of learning. And, our rates of learning

may vary due to practice, upbringing, or heredity. But, so long as

learning continues, life is long enough that most of us willl get

where we need to be with respect to diabetes. Some one said that

knowledge is the sum of mistakes made and recognized. And, wisdom is

the application of knowledge.

I applaud anyone who makes a mistake, recognizes the mistake, and

modifies their behavior to reduce the future likelihood of the

mistake. In my view, that's a prize-winning recipe for success.

Cheers,

[Guest guest]

At 10:36 AM 7/7/05, Bill McCarty wrote:

>So, I took to carrying glucose test strips and testing my beverages.

I thought that was a good idea when I read about it in Bernstein's book but

I consistantly forget to get some. Not that I eat out all that much.

They're supposed to work for solid foods, too, aren't they? Or semi-solid....

sky (whose books are already packed)

[Guest guest]

I have been drinking diet for so long any way as regular drinks are way too

sweet and I know it in a soft drink if it is diet or not.

Kathleen

>Early in my own diabetes journal, I drank an iced tea that I thought

was artificially sweetened. Turns out, I was wrong. I thought it had

tasted better than a typical diet beverage <g>.

[Guest guest]

Mike I like diet soda, I don't like coke at all, even the diet is too sweet.

Kathleen

>Kathleen, I hate the taste of most diet sodas also. But I tried the new

" Pepsi One " and it not bad for a diet pop. Although my favorite is the

Strawberry " Fruit 20 " . All the nutrition facts are 0, so it's become my

favorite.

Mike>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sky,

I think the (somewhat gross) idea is to chew the food a bit, so that

some of it dissolves, and then test one's saliva. But, I've never done

that. And, having sworn off diet beverages, I no longer bother to

carry test strips.

Cheers,

> They're supposed to work for solid foods, too, aren't they? Or

> semi-solid....

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:27:26 -0000, " SulaBlue "

wrote:

>Sky,

>

>I can honestly tell you that restaurants (ESPECIALLY fast-food restaurants)

have very little

>pride, or care, in service these days.

On behalf of all restaurant operators, I have to say that we're doing

the best we can with what we have to work with. People who will work

in restaurants these days tend to be uneducated, loathsome, lazy,

careless, rude and a whole bunch of other adjectives.

I've tried everything I can think of to recruit from other than the

normal pool. Very good pay, very good benefits, flex hours. Nadda.

The stigma against " restaurant work " is so strong that anyone with two

clues to rub together will work elsewhere even if the pay and working

conditions are poorer.

I recently changed the format of my restaurant from table service to

counter service (where you come to the counter to order, pay and get

your food). I did that because I despaired of ever hiring decent

servers. I tried for 10 whole years. Now I take care of all the

counter service myself. If ya want it done right, do it yerself!!!

>

>Three times I went to one restaurant - I specified NO ONIONS on my burger.

Twice I got

>onions. The last time I got *EXTRA* onions. I took it back, explained and said

'Make it easy

>- NO VEGETABLES.' Three separate people behind the counter asked 'So, ya want

jalapenos

>on that.' NO? Did I not say 'no veggies?' Finally, the guy behind me pipes up

(very loudly)

> " She said no (*#)(!)# veggies! "

You mean the guy actually knew what a veggie was? Wow, that's

progress.

>

>Thankfully, I can taste the difference between diet coke and regular coke.

Leaving my

>glucose meter sitting beside me at the table also seems to serve as a 'warning'

that they'd

>best get it right. Odd, but I also very rarely get asked if I want dessert when

I leave it

>sitting there

Servers around here just sorta drool and stare. No connection between

what that meter does and what that pitcher of sweet tea might do.

For those of you who can't tell the difference between regular and

diet cola, you might use one of Bernstein's tricks. Carry around some

glucostix to test with. Put a sip in your mouth, swish it around some

so your saliva can break down the corn sugar to glucose and then dip a

stick into your mouth. It'll turn colors if there is any sugar or

starch in the substance.

I carry around some in my diabetic's survival kit (butt bag). I snip

off the ends so that they'll fit in a One Touch test strip bottle.

These bottles contain integral desiccants so they keep the glucostix

dry and pristine. I use 'em to check for hidden sugar in veggies and

stuff.

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