Re: this morning

[Guest guest]

Wow! Helen, I have not had a problem with too low yet. I am not sure but I think

I would

rather deal with lows than highs. However, if I kept jelly beans (except

licorice) I

would eat the whole bag. So maybe I had better get some gucose tabs for a

possible low.

ML

Helen Mueller wrote:

>

> Stacey, in my experience of two non DMers and their bgs, Joe and my son,

> I found their fasting bgs always at 65. No variance in them, no meter

> variance. Of course, these were occasional tests. At 65 my son was a

> bit cranky, but that could be attributed to being up earlier than he

> wanted and being hungry.

>

> At 65 Joe was neither cranky nor hungry.

>

> And while I am here, I want to say I do not use glucose tabs. Might as

> well be eating a giant Tums. I carry jelly beans with me whenever I

> leave the house, they work as well and quickly as glucose tabs and I know

> how many I need. At home, it depends on what is in the house. I have

> used dried figs, TJ's cinnamon bread straight out of the freezer (and

> believe me that is fast!), Joe's cokes, and, of course, ice cream. I do

> not roller coaster.

>

> Helen

[Guest guest]

I would hate to see you do that Kathleen - we all have the same problems - some

are very outspoken - others are not. I do not believe that messages are meant to

be hurtful - but frustration can sound that way. I do hope you will reconsider

and stay since the message that the list has could help save your life.

Hopefully you will reconsider.

Barb in NH

Diabetes caused by Surgery

7.5 mg Glipizide daily

Low carb diet/not enough exercise

----- Original Message -----

I am not trying to say that what I ate was right, but I do know that it

worked for me. I have others in the house and can't just take everything

out. I am not alone and have to please my husband. I can't force things on

him that he doesn't want to do so I won't bring him up any more and won't

bring up what I ate or what my numbers are. I will fade into the background

now.

Kathleen

[Guest guest]

Jusr my 2 cents - I have always been a candy-o-holic. I keep a little bag of

jelly beans in my purse and only use them for lows. If someone had said I had to

do that and never eat them I would have said " no way " - but I don't even think

of them - very strange.

Barb in NH

----- Original Message -----

Wow! Helen, I have not had a problem with too low yet. I am not sure but I

think I would

rather deal with lows than highs. However, if I kept jelly beans (except

licorice) I

would eat the whole bag. So maybe I had better get some gucose tabs for a

possible low.

ML

[Guest guest]

Gretchen, never higher than 75. Until Joe was diagnosed with diabetes

out of the clear blue sky after being disabled and extremely inactive.

Now, he is moving around more and has somewhat modified his diet, last

A1c was 5.1. He no longer considers himself diabetic and does not test.

My son no longer lives locally and he was just spot checking.

Helen

[Guest guest]

At 11:04 PM 7/5/05, Dances With Eagles wrote:

>I am going to stick around and comment for others but probably keep my

>problems to myself .

But that's not the way to get the information you need. You bought that

Bernstein book. What do you think of it?

Are you having any luck finding some non-starchy foods or at least not

eating the potatoes and rice your other family members expect to eat?

sky

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:04:59 -0600, " Dances With Eagles "

wrote:

>I am going to stick around and comment for others but probably keep my

>problems to myself .

Yep, you can go off in the corner to sit and pout. That's your right.

Of course, neither your diabetes nor your rather screwed up personal

situation will care. Or you can get your feelings off your shoulders,

continue to participate in this group and maybe listen once in awhile.

Maybe you are listening. If so, I can't tell, as all I have to go on

is what you write here. ly, all I've seen here is denials and

justifications for your lack of discipline.

Sorry that I'm not one of those touchy, feely, squishy types but

that's the way it is. I've always called things like I see them.

Neither an intent to hurt nor to coddle.

Here's my take on your situation:

You're in a very screwed up situation and you're feeling sorry for

yourself. Your health is bad, your relationship with your husband is

bad (he's passive-aggressive rebelling against you by not taking care

of HIS problems for reasons that I don't know nor care to know.) Your

kids aren't helping. You have a large workload taking care of that

homestead and the family. You're probably one who yields to the

pressure rather than taking constructive stands, particularly with

regard to your kids. I think you're probably suffering from

depression.

Here are my thoughts on the situation.

The first thing you're going to have to do to make things better is to

recognize that YOUR wellbeing is first and foremost and that you have

to take care of that first. This isn't a selfish position, it's a

necessity for survival. You're going to have to unload some of the

pressure, address your depression and address your health issues,

including getting your diabetes under control. I can't tell you how

to do this - you have to dig down and figure that out yourself. All I

can do as a distant observer is state my observations.

I try to put myself in your situation. If I was, here are some things

I'd do:

I'd quit trying to manage my spouse and let him go his own way. If he

wants to eat junky and not take his meds then so be it. Don't say a

word. Odds are, when this behavior stops getting him the attention he

wants, he'll change.

I'd cook and buy food for my own health. The rest of the family could

either eat what I fix or fix their own. If you don't have the

discipline to avoid bad foods then don't have them in the house. (I

think that you're eventually going to have to learn the discipline if

you are to survive long term but that can come later.)

I'd re-establish my role as the parent and not allow my kids to push

me around or dictate my actions. Rules and discipline. I get the

impression that you've let them do pretty much what they want for a

long time so this will probably be difficult. But not impossible.

I'd find myself a doc who still views medicine as a calling instead of

a get-rich-quick scheme and frankly talk to him about my problems. In

particular the depression. I know money is tight but there are ways

to work around that, especially with a compassionate doc. Docs are

plied with more sample drugs than most know what to do with (there's a

sign in my doc's sample closet telling drug reps NOT to leave excess

samples laying on the floor.)so he can get you the necessary drugs if

you can't pay for them.

I went through this last process several years ago when I lost my

wife. She left our company near bankruptcy so I suddenly found myself

in deep depression and nearly broke. After feeling sorry for myself

for awhile I woke up one morning and decided to fix things. I

acknowledged that for the first time in my life, I couldn't fix things

by myself.

I started interviewing doctors. I went through probably a dozen

before I found one where our personalities clicked and who still

viewed medicine as his calling. Even though I had insurance I could

not afford the copays so he supplied me with antidepressants, blood

pressure meds, acid blockers and a couple other drugs from his sample

closet for over a year. Since I could not afford a shrink, we spent

hours talking in his office after his normal business hours and

sometimes over dinner.

The only problem you'll have is letting pride get in the way. It's a

LOT harder to admit your problems face-to-face than to an anonymous

list like this. I know, BTDT. But you gotta.

Next step, I'd unload some of my responsibilities. It sounds like you

can't take care of your husband, your kids, a farm and the critters

plus your medical problems so something has to go. You're stuck with

the kids and the hubby so let some of the other stuff go. You'll have

to decide what. I'd get rid of most of the critters and just let the

farm go. Whatever grows up in a year or two a bush hog can take care

of in a day. Or maybe let the kids learn the new joys of weed pickin'

and animal husbandry :-) For sure give up the volunteer stuff. You

might think you enjoy it but it's putting pressure on you now that you

can't handle.

BTDT too. I unloaded everything not associated with my restaurant and

my personal health and focused all my energy on those two things. It

worked. It is still working. I still have to be careful not to allow

outside pressures to creep in. I save me first and then the world.

There are probably a lot of other pressures that I don't know about.

Perhaps you could sit down and make a list and then write out a

proposed solution to each.

Now one more observation. I think that the reason you ended up

getting scolded by several folks here is because you present yourself

as just not listening. You've had an excuse for everything. Maybe

you didn't mean it that way but that's the way it came across to me.

I know that it is particularly frustrating when I take big chunks of

my time to propose a solution to someone's problem, only to have it

brushed aside out of hand. It makes me think that I've wasted my time,

knowledge and experience.

I would have already washed my hands of you if I didn't understand the

effects of both depression and high blood sugar on the mental

processes. That understanding only goes so far, however. At some

point YOU have to actually take actions to change because nobody else

can do that for you.

---

De Armond

See my website for my current email address

http://www.johngsbbq.com

Cleveland, Occupied TN

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:10:35 -0600, " Dances With Eagles "

wrote:

>I felt a little strange and was very shaky. I first ate a Popsicle, because

>I was starving and had one hotdog and bun for dinner the night before and

>had packed up camp angry after that and drove home 2 ½ hours. Then ate some

>non buttered fresh popped (not microwave) popcorn, and before any one says

>anything the dietician said it was ok. My husband and I split a pan full so

>we each get about 3 cups, then and ice cream sandwich. I didn?t test before

>bed. But when I was awakened I ate the one Popsicle and then took the

>readings at 63. I panicked, it scared me because once I get up and moving

>my BG drops fast. SO I took the bag of chips to my room sat on the bed and

>ate, not as much as I first thought. But I also ate three more Popsicles and

>then waited and took my bg about 30 minutes later and it was only 163. Not

>as high as I thought it should have been. Then I went back to sleep until

>10 and took it again it was back down to 125.

BOINK BOINK BOINK (the sound of me beating my head against the

wall..)

Kathleen, you're the hard-headedest person I've ever seen!! Do you

have a death wish????

After all the talk here and all the references to proper diets and low

carbs and the like, you packed yourself full of carbs AGAIN and then

are surprised that you see-sawed.

Hello?!?!?! Anyone in there??? Is there a light on in the attic????

Repeat after me. No, print this and tape it to the 'fridge:

THE ADA DIET IS BAD

DIETICIANS WHO RECOMMEND THE ADA METHOD ARE WRONG

CARBS ARE BAD FOR A DIABETIC.

BLOOD GLUCOSE LEVELS >140 ARE REALLY >>>>BAD<<<<<

SEE-SAWING IS AWFUL BECAUSE YOU ARE OUT OF CONTROL.

YOU CANNOT STARVE YOURSELF AND EVER HOPE TO GAIN CONTROL.

First, the meal at the campsite. I'd have eaten 5-6 wieners with a

touch of ketchup instead of one hotdog. Maybe 2-3 carbs from the

ketchup. I'd have been full and I'd have avoided the approximately 25

grams of very fast carbs in that one bun.

If you walk around hungry, you're going to slip. The key to eating

management is to satisfy your hunger at each meal with low/no carb

items. Eat a whole pound of meat if that's what it takes. Or a whole

head of lettuce or whatever else you like that doesn't contain

significant carbs.

At least at first, POPCORN IS OUT!!!! It is pure starch. It is worse

than eating sugar. Your three cups of popped corn is worth at least

18 carbs. Fast, almost instantaneous carbs. Like a sledgehammer to

your system. A little butter would have at least slowed them down a

little. Then on top of that you packed in an ice cream sandwich which

is another 20 grams of carbs, plus or minus depending on the brand.

Maybe after you gain control, you can work a little popcorn into your

diet like I have rice pudding into mine. But you can't just pig out

on it without regard to the effect.

I'm seeing 63 carbs there in a 2.5 hour span. Really bad carbs, all

of 'em. Daaaaaaammmmmm. That's more than I allow in a day. No

wonder your system see-sawed. Your system struggled with this hammer

blow for a bit, then blorfed out a huge gob of insulin which sent you

deep into a hypo. You're just really lucky that the

middle-of-the-night feeding we've discussed before happened to hit the

nail on the head. If not, you'd have see-sawed again, most likely.

At this point I just have to ask flat out,

Are you willing to do your part to gain control?

We're all wasting our time if you're not.

If I sent you URLs of stuff to read, would you read it and take it to

heart?

If I helped you lay out a testing and meal plan, would you pay

attention?

Are you willing to track your carbs and control your (NOT your

husband's or your kid's) eating?

If I did my good deed of the week and bought you a copy of the

Bernstein book, would you read it and take it seriously?

If you can't truthfully answer YES to all those questions then I'm

sorry but I'm finished with trying to help you. Like they say, you

can lead a horse to water and even hold his head under but you can't

make him drink.

And yes, I'm serious about buying you a copy of Bernstein if you'll

use it.

, sore head.

---

De Armond

See my website for my current email address

http://www.johngsbbq.com

Cleveland, Occupied TN

[Guest guest]

Kathleen, it sounds to me like you handled that low very well.

Especially considering that the second time you woke up your sugar was

a very respectable 125. Way to go.

> I felt a little strange and was very shaky. I first ate a Popsicle,

because

> I was starving and had one hotdog and bun for dinner the night

before and

> had packed up camp angry after that and drove home 2 ½ hours. Then

ate some

> non buttered fresh popped (not microwave) popcorn, and before any

one says

> anything the dietician said it was ok. My husband and I split a pan

full so

> we each get about 3 cups, then and ice cream sandwich. I didn't

test before

> bed. But when I was awakened I ate the one Popsicle and then took

the

> readings at 63. I panicked, it scared me because once I get up and

moving

> my BG drops fast. SO I took the bag of chips to my room sat on the

bed and

> ate, not as much as I first thought. But I also ate three more

Popsicles and

> then waited and took my bg about 30 minutes later and it was only

163. Not

> as high as I thought it should have been. Then I went back to sleep

until

> 10 and took it again it was back down to 125.

>

> SO I panicked. I have had a fear of not waking up at all because I

would go

> too low. I wasn't even really awake when I ate the first one and

the

> numbers scared me so I did what I could to bring it up fast.

>

>

>

> I have talked to my mother since and she told me that OJ was good,

which I

> knew but it was frozen, so she said open it up and take a spoonful

it will

> do the same thing. So next time if I don't panic I will do that.

>

>

>

> Is there any problems with this now?

>

>

>

> Kathleen

[Guest guest]

> Gretchen, never higher than 75. Until Joe was diagnosed with diabetes

> out of the clear blue sky after being disabled and extremely inactive.

This is very interesting. For one thing, it illustrates that the numbers you

see in books, that " nondiabetics never go over 140 " gives one the impression

that people without diabetes usually go up to 140 after meals. Many don't.

Also, illustration of the fact that it may be inactivity rather than the

American diet that is causing our diabetic epidemic. I think people who are

bedridden tend to test diabetic.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

At 01:45 AM 7/6/05, Neon wrote:

>BOINK BOINK BOINK (the sound of me beating my head against the

>wall..)

I disagree with you on some matters, , but I'll join you in the head

boinking. I just decided not to even try to explain again. I'm too

short-tempered and peckish already what with high humidity and packing for

a move.

sky

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:47:05 -0700 Helen Mueller

writes:

> Stacey, in my experience of two non DMers and their bgs, Joe and my

> son, I found their fasting bgs always at 65. No variance in them, no

> meter variance.

I have two friends that are not diabetic who always ask to be tested,

which is the only time I change lancets. :-(

Both are always 65-68 regardless if it is pre meal 2 hours PP, late

evening, with or without alcohol. It makes no difference. This is normal

for them and they are husband and wife so it isn't a familial thing.

Neither is cranky, sometimes hungry, must be tired sometimes and I

thought everyone is sleep deprived, aren't they?

They drove cars, went to work, interacted with others (and played well

with others), never combative to my knowledge and never went hypo that I

know of.

>

> And while I am here, I want to say I do not use glucose tabs.

Me neither, never have, never would.

> Might as well be eating a giant Tums. I carry jelly beans with me

whenever I

> leave the house, they work as well and quickly as glucose tabs and I

> know how many I need.

Canada makes Smarties that are just sugar. You can find them in the US

around halloween. They are little pastel colored circles that come in a

roll of 14. I am told that as a kid my friend's husband and his friends

all had a favorite color that they traded to get a whole role of one

color. All the colors taste the same and 5 of them work the same each

time I have used them which is strictly when I am away from home. In the

US they make sweet tarts, each pack has two larger circles that work the

same way as smarties. And recently we discovered that Nestles in Canada

makes Smarties too but they are nothing like the Smarties I am talking

about. The Nestles Smarties come in tiny boxes and are filled tiny dots

of chocolate witha sugared coating like M and Ms but much smaller. If you

find Smarties and the bag is full of tiny boxes, they are not the right

Smarties. Come to think of it, they might work but I have never taken the

time to figure it out.

Smarties work just as quickly as glucose tabs but are not icky sweet and

a heck of a lot cheaper than glucose tabs.

> At home, it depends on what is in the house. I

> have used dried figs, TJ's cinnamon bread straight out of the freezer

> (and believe me that is fast!), Joe's cokes, and, of course, ice cream.

> I do not roller coaster.

>

At home I always keep a hypo treat in the freezer. My son's ice cream, NY

cheesecake from TJ's, desserts my husband brings home from his travels.

Treating hypos doesn't have to taste like a medical procedure. I count it

as a good excuse to have a treat I normally would not have without a hypo

showing up. The trick is not over compensating so that you don't end up

spending more time bring the bg numbers down from outer space than it

took to take you out of the hypo.

Before I knew better I put the little OJ juice cans in the glove

compartment for hypos. It was difficult to judge how much the OJ would

raise bgs and in the middle of summer hot OJ from the can is IMHO

disgusting.

[Guest guest]

> I have two friends that are not diabetic who always ask to be tested,

> which is the only time I change lancets. :-(

> Both are always 65-68 regardless if it is pre meal 2 hours PP, late

> evening, with or without alcohol.

Have you ever tested them at 45 or 60 minutes? Sometimes nondiabetics go up

and then come down again with an hour or two. In this case, they probably

wouldn't go above 90 even after a carby meal.

> They drove cars, went to work, interacted with others (and played well

> with others), never combative to my knowledge and never went hypo that I

> know of.

I think it's the speed of BG dropping that causes the adrenaline release

that we feel as a low. And that's what's dangerous. If an insulin or a sulf

user is at 63, it's possible he/she is dropping toward 40 or even 30. That's

whay we're told to correct BGs that wouldn't cause problems in nondiabetics.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

Gretchen, it is interesting when you also consider there is no type2

diabetes in his family and that, Joe himself, is a slim muscular man.

After about three months of being in bed, this diagnosis pulled him out

of the bed and he began to move again. His job had been very physical.

We discovered he could go on the exercycle for five minutes, at a very

fast speed, and drop up to 100 points.

He is also taking a number of supplements.

On the few post prandial tests he has done in recent months, he has never

gone above 120, been mostly in the low 100s. Not like it was before, but

then nothing is.

On August 4th he will have knee replacement surgery on his right knee.

Before the end of the year, a partial or total replacement will be done

on his left knee. We will have to follow his bgs more carefully as he

will be fairly inactive during the recovery time.

Helen

[Guest guest]

This last morning post was saying what I actually did that same morning, not

that I did it again. My numbers have been 100-122 the last two mornings

(actually it is closer to noon) and after I eat they jump to 179 both

mornings. Bed time was 183 on Monday and Tuesday was 146. I don't think

these are too bad, but maybe I am wrong on that point. I just know that I

can not function when it gets below 85 and haven't had any side affects from

highs so I don't know when they go high.

I am trying to do too much at the same time I am getting frustrated. SO I am

back to one step at a time again. As my last post says.

Kathleen

[Guest guest]

You DO have side effects from the highs--you just are not aware of the

microscopic damage being done to your organs every single time your bg's

are at or over 140. Eventually all those damages end up destroying the

organ which is why diabetics go blind, lose their kidneys, lose their

feet & legs, destroy their brain & heart.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 5/05 A1c: 5.3 = 111 mean glu

50-100 carb diet, walking, Metformin

ALA/EPO, ALC, Vit C, Calc/mag,

low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 40 mg/coQ10 100mg, Enalapril 10 mg

5/05:140 lbs (highest weight 309)

5' tall /age 67,

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Kathleen, are you taking any insulin with your meals? As a matter of

fact, my brain has just turned to mush, and I don't remember if you are

taking insulin at all.

Don't worry about schedule. Yes, I know all newbies are told to be

consistent, eat at the same time, etc. I have found that not necessary.

This morning I got up at 10, yesterday it was 11:30. My day starts

when it starts and I act as if it is all the same beginning time.

As a type 2, we have more leeway, particularly if we still have

pancreatic function.

As to food - when we first came to CA, we found all kinds of things in

the produce department we had never seen in NJ and decided to try one new

thing a week. While there were a lot of things we never ate twice, there

were also a number that became welcome additions to our menu.

If you eat nothing but the same thing day in and day out, your tongue and

your head are not going to be happy. Look at this as a new adventure for

you and your husband, discovery in the culinary jungle!

Helen

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

Sounds like, along with most of us, you're more insulin

resistant/sensitive to carbs when you first wake up. I've found

that unless I'm willing to shoot what I consider a rather obscene

amount of insulin for such a low-carb meal, I have to avoid

almost *ALL* carbohydrates - including milk, yogurt, etc. and

stick with eggs and meat for breakfast.

1g of carbs in the morning will raise me 5 points (So, a bowl of

your typical 20g of carbs cereal would raise me 100 points)

without using insulin to cover.

That same gram of carb at lunch, however, will raise me 1-2

points at most, usually.

SulaBlue

> This last morning post was saying what I actually did that

same morning, not

> that I did it again. My numbers have been 100-122 the last two

mornings

> (actually it is closer to noon) and after I eat they jump to 179

both

> mornings. Bed time was 183 on Monday and Tuesday was

146. I don't think

> these are too bad, but maybe I am wrong on that point. I just

know that I

> can not function when it gets below 85 and haven't had any

side affects from

> highs so I don't know when they go high.

>

> I am trying to do too much at the same time I am getting

frustrated. SO I am

> back to one step at a time again. As my last post says.

>

>

>

> Kathleen

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wasn't sure about the food in the book as I didn't eat and don't eat most

of it.

Tonight we went to 's and I go a BLT salad and a raspberry tea, and

then realized after I drank it that I remember it was sweetened and just one

bottle has 30 grams of sugar. Not sure on the carbs as that was before

watching carbs. I am proud of myself, although I am still hungry.

Kathleen

But that's not the way to get the information you need. You bought that

Bernstein book. What do you think of it?

Are you having any luck finding some non-starchy foods or at least not

eating the potatoes and rice your other family members expect to eat?

sky

[Guest guest]

'yes Helen I take insulin, but not as yet with my meals. That will be

determined next Wednesday. I take type N when I get up and when I go to bed.

I currently am taking 50 units in the morning and 35 at night, with

glipazide 10mg morning and night.

Kathleen

>Kathleen, are you taking any insulin with your meals? As a matter of

fact, my brain has just turned to mush, and I don't remember if you are

taking insulin at all.

[Guest guest]

Yeeeeeah. I really miss that raspberry tea

I think 's DOES have the Minute Maid Light (5g carb) lemonade on tap,

however!

SulaBlue

> I wasn't sure about the food in the book as I didn't eat and don't eat most

> of it.

>

> Tonight we went to 's and I go a BLT salad and a raspberry tea, and

> then realized after I drank it that I remember it was sweetened and just one

> bottle has 30 grams of sugar. Not sure on the carbs as that was before

> watching carbs. I am proud of myself, although I am still hungry.

>

> Kathleen

[Guest guest]

At 09:32 PM 7/6/05, Dances With Eagles wrote:

>I wasn't sure about the food in the book as I didn't eat and don't eat most

>of it.

Just what DO you eat that is also in the book? And are you willing to

start trying new things? It's like we encourage our children to try at

least one bite of something. Then we ask them to do it again on another

day. You can learn to like things. Sometimes it's just cooking them a

different way that will help.

>Tonight we went to 's and I go a BLT salad and a raspberry tea, and

>then realized after I drank it that I remember it was sweetened and just one

>bottle has 30 grams of sugar.

How can you NOT realize something is sweetened after just one sip? They

have diet drinks there, don't they?

The salad sounds like a good idea, though. Maybe you could have had two

salads or a salad and a meat, fish, or chicken patty (throw out the bun if

they don't offer it without one).

sky

PS: just read further on and see you've listed some things you like....

[Guest guest]

Kathleen posted

> >Tonight we went to 's and I go a BLT salad and a raspberry

tea, and

> >then realized after I drank it that I remember it was sweetened and

just one

> >bottle has 30 grams of sugar.

Sky replied:

> How can you NOT realize something is sweetened after just one sip?

replies:

Not everyone pays attention to what they eat all the time. Eating can

be very mechanical, especially if you are in a hurry or have other

things on your mind.

[Guest guest]

Maybe by not realizing it's sweetened with *SUGAR* instead of splenda,

aspartame, etc.

Come on, sky. Don't be so hard on the girl. How many of us " old timers " have

accidentally

grabed the wrong soda? I seem to remember a discussion of that very thing not

long ago -

where some people had even had more than ONE of something before realizing it

wasn't

the diet version!

SulaBlue

> How can you NOT realize something is sweetened after just one sip? They

> have diet drinks there, don't they?

>

> The salad sounds like a good idea, though. Maybe you could have had two

> salads or a salad and a meat, fish, or chicken patty (throw out the bun if

> they don't offer it without one).

>

> sky

>

> PS: just read further on and see you've listed some things you like....

[Guest guest]

> replies:

> Not everyone pays attention to what they eat all the time. Eating can

> be very mechanical, especially if you are in a hurry or have other

> things on your mind.

>

I haven't eaten " mechanically " since the first time I read

" test,test,test " .

Cheers, Alan

[Guest guest]

I forgot to take my BG before dinner but with the Chicken BLT salad and the

fruit salad it was only 122 an hour after dinner. Including the tea. I

normally drink diet soda but I dislike diet coke and even the lemonade has

sugar, 30 grams to 12 oz. I think I did pretty good.

Kathleen