Re: Formula

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/4/00 3:21:38 PM Central Daylight Time, decrail@...

writes:

<< " I wish that

women who formula feed their children would stop saying how they made an

informed choice, and that their children turned out " just fine, " because in

the end, they really aren't. " >>

That is just not true, it is an unfair genarlization, My mother bottlefed all

3 of us, in fact she had plans to BF my sister but she was born with birth

defects and the hospital never gave her the chance they had to know how much

she was getting to eat and back then BF was not a priority, When I was born

My sister still was ill a lot so my mother was gone a lot and did not have

time to pump. Same for my brother, My brother and I are both very healthy, I

have stayed in the Hospital only once, to have my daughter, My brotther has

been in th Hospital once as an outpaitent for eye surgery, We are both Very

healthy. My SIL daughters were both Breastfed well beyond 12 months, and they

BOTH have several Health problems, So they are not exclusive to formula fed

babies. Yuor implication is that anyone who choses to formula feed is wrong,

which is unfair, you expect people to respect your choice to breastfeed, you

should do the same.

-Llanda

Mommy to 4/4/2000

" I am in shape. Round is a shape. "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/4/00 3:21:38 PM Central Daylight Time, decrail@...

writes:

<< " I wish that

women who formula feed their children would stop saying how they made an

informed choice, and that their children turned out " just fine, " because in

the end, they really aren't. " >>

That is just not true, it is an unfair genarlization, My mother bottlefed all

3 of us, in fact she had plans to BF my sister but she was born with birth

defects and the hospital never gave her the chance they had to know how much

she was getting to eat and back then BF was not a priority, When I was born

My sister still was ill a lot so my mother was gone a lot and did not have

time to pump. Same for my brother, My brother and I are both very healthy, I

have stayed in the Hospital only once, to have my daughter, My brotther has

been in th Hospital once as an outpaitent for eye surgery, We are both Very

healthy. My SIL daughters were both Breastfed well beyond 12 months, and they

BOTH have several Health problems, So they are not exclusive to formula fed

babies. Yuor implication is that anyone who choses to formula feed is wrong,

which is unfair, you expect people to respect your choice to breastfeed, you

should do the same.

-Llanda

Mommy to 4/4/2000

" I am in shape. Round is a shape. "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/4/00 3:21:38 PM Central Daylight Time, decrail@...

writes:

<< " I wish that

women who formula feed their children would stop saying how they made an

informed choice, and that their children turned out " just fine, " because in

the end, they really aren't. " >>

That is just not true, it is an unfair genarlization, My mother bottlefed all

3 of us, in fact she had plans to BF my sister but she was born with birth

defects and the hospital never gave her the chance they had to know how much

she was getting to eat and back then BF was not a priority, When I was born

My sister still was ill a lot so my mother was gone a lot and did not have

time to pump. Same for my brother, My brother and I are both very healthy, I

have stayed in the Hospital only once, to have my daughter, My brotther has

been in th Hospital once as an outpaitent for eye surgery, We are both Very

healthy. My SIL daughters were both Breastfed well beyond 12 months, and they

BOTH have several Health problems, So they are not exclusive to formula fed

babies. Yuor implication is that anyone who choses to formula feed is wrong,

which is unfair, you expect people to respect your choice to breastfeed, you

should do the same.

-Llanda

Mommy to 4/4/2000

" I am in shape. Round is a shape. "

[Guest guest]

come on now, condemning someone for their choice is not why we have email

loops.. I gave my first child formula because he wasn't as constipated on it,

and my second had formula from 10 months on.. I would never condemn anyone

for a choice they made

Christi

[Guest guest]

come on now, condemning someone for their choice is not why we have email

loops.. I gave my first child formula because he wasn't as constipated on it,

and my second had formula from 10 months on.. I would never condemn anyone

for a choice they made

Christi

[Guest guest]

come on now, condemning someone for their choice is not why we have email

loops.. I gave my first child formula because he wasn't as constipated on it,

and my second had formula from 10 months on.. I would never condemn anyone

for a choice they made

Christi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/4/00 1:21:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, decrail@...

writes:

<<

" I wish that

women who formula feed their children would stop saying how they made an

informed choice, and that their children turned out " just fine, " because in

the end, they really aren't. "

, I disagree with your statement that says children who receive

formula aren't " just fine " In most cases they are fine. My mom bottlefed

>>

I would also like to give my opinion on this, it has really made me upset. I

have five children my first two I did not breastfeed (w/third I already gave

the story of trying/failing so she wasn't either) with the first two I didnt

even think of it as an option, I just didnt, when the nurses asked me how I

was going to feed them I said bottle. And they ARE fine.. they are never

sick( I don't concider a cold a year,or a stomach virus sick) no allergies,

asthma, they aren't over weight, they have no emotional problems,all my

children play in sports, they ARE healthy, happy and VERY BRILLIANT CHILDREN

and I don't want to ever hear from anyone here that they would have been/or

think of what they could have been, because I didnt breastfeed them. They are

to be quite frank smarter than most children, they get straight A's, have

scored in the top 1%-10% in the country in the CTBS, WASL tests, they go to

challenge classes at school because of their advancement. My oldest could

recognize her letters, numbers, colors, shapes when she was 19 months old and

could read by the time she was 2 1/2. My second oldest was really not that

far behind her sister by just a few months. And yes, there breastfed siblings

are just as smart, not sickly or obese or have any emotional problems, but I

feel it is from my parenting them, keeping them healthy and teaching them,

NOT because I BF or FF them. I really feel it is unfair for anyone to say

that if you DON'T BF your children that their world is over right there and

then, and that they are DOOMED because of that choice. They are not. so

please don't lump EVERY child into the 'well, there not BF so there's the

problem for everything or if you would have BF they would be smarter,

healthier, happier people' because that is not true for my children. I do

believe that breastfeeding is right if that is the mothers choice, but I

refuse to condemn anyone that doesn't BF or even try. So please DON'T TELL ME

MY NON BF children aren't wonderful, smart, healthy and they are doomed

forever because of it, because you are wrong. Yes, this is a BF list and FF

risks should be discussed but I am tired of hearing that it 'will' make

children inferior to the BF children. I don't believe that.

Rhonda

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/4/00 1:21:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, decrail@...

writes:

<<

" I wish that

women who formula feed their children would stop saying how they made an

informed choice, and that their children turned out " just fine, " because in

the end, they really aren't. "

, I disagree with your statement that says children who receive

formula aren't " just fine " In most cases they are fine. My mom bottlefed

>>

I would also like to give my opinion on this, it has really made me upset. I

have five children my first two I did not breastfeed (w/third I already gave

the story of trying/failing so she wasn't either) with the first two I didnt

even think of it as an option, I just didnt, when the nurses asked me how I

was going to feed them I said bottle. And they ARE fine.. they are never

sick( I don't concider a cold a year,or a stomach virus sick) no allergies,

asthma, they aren't over weight, they have no emotional problems,all my

children play in sports, they ARE healthy, happy and VERY BRILLIANT CHILDREN

and I don't want to ever hear from anyone here that they would have been/or

think of what they could have been, because I didnt breastfeed them. They are

to be quite frank smarter than most children, they get straight A's, have

scored in the top 1%-10% in the country in the CTBS, WASL tests, they go to

challenge classes at school because of their advancement. My oldest could

recognize her letters, numbers, colors, shapes when she was 19 months old and

could read by the time she was 2 1/2. My second oldest was really not that

far behind her sister by just a few months. And yes, there breastfed siblings

are just as smart, not sickly or obese or have any emotional problems, but I

feel it is from my parenting them, keeping them healthy and teaching them,

NOT because I BF or FF them. I really feel it is unfair for anyone to say

that if you DON'T BF your children that their world is over right there and

then, and that they are DOOMED because of that choice. They are not. so

please don't lump EVERY child into the 'well, there not BF so there's the

problem for everything or if you would have BF they would be smarter,

healthier, happier people' because that is not true for my children. I do

believe that breastfeeding is right if that is the mothers choice, but I

refuse to condemn anyone that doesn't BF or even try. So please DON'T TELL ME

MY NON BF children aren't wonderful, smart, healthy and they are doomed

forever because of it, because you are wrong. Yes, this is a BF list and FF

risks should be discussed but I am tired of hearing that it 'will' make

children inferior to the BF children. I don't believe that.

Rhonda

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/4/00 1:21:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, decrail@...

writes:

<<

" I wish that

women who formula feed their children would stop saying how they made an

informed choice, and that their children turned out " just fine, " because in

the end, they really aren't. "

, I disagree with your statement that says children who receive

formula aren't " just fine " In most cases they are fine. My mom bottlefed

>>

I would also like to give my opinion on this, it has really made me upset. I

have five children my first two I did not breastfeed (w/third I already gave

the story of trying/failing so she wasn't either) with the first two I didnt

even think of it as an option, I just didnt, when the nurses asked me how I

was going to feed them I said bottle. And they ARE fine.. they are never

sick( I don't concider a cold a year,or a stomach virus sick) no allergies,

asthma, they aren't over weight, they have no emotional problems,all my

children play in sports, they ARE healthy, happy and VERY BRILLIANT CHILDREN

and I don't want to ever hear from anyone here that they would have been/or

think of what they could have been, because I didnt breastfeed them. They are

to be quite frank smarter than most children, they get straight A's, have

scored in the top 1%-10% in the country in the CTBS, WASL tests, they go to

challenge classes at school because of their advancement. My oldest could

recognize her letters, numbers, colors, shapes when she was 19 months old and

could read by the time she was 2 1/2. My second oldest was really not that

far behind her sister by just a few months. And yes, there breastfed siblings

are just as smart, not sickly or obese or have any emotional problems, but I

feel it is from my parenting them, keeping them healthy and teaching them,

NOT because I BF or FF them. I really feel it is unfair for anyone to say

that if you DON'T BF your children that their world is over right there and

then, and that they are DOOMED because of that choice. They are not. so

please don't lump EVERY child into the 'well, there not BF so there's the

problem for everything or if you would have BF they would be smarter,

healthier, happier people' because that is not true for my children. I do

believe that breastfeeding is right if that is the mothers choice, but I

refuse to condemn anyone that doesn't BF or even try. So please DON'T TELL ME

MY NON BF children aren't wonderful, smart, healthy and they are doomed

forever because of it, because you are wrong. Yes, this is a BF list and FF

risks should be discussed but I am tired of hearing that it 'will' make

children inferior to the BF children. I don't believe that.

Rhonda

[Guest guest]

> " I wish that

> women who formula feed their children would stop saying how they made an

> informed choice, and that their children turned out " just fine, " because

in

> the end, they really aren't. "

Well, maybe they are " just fine " but that's not enough for me. By

breastfeeding I know I'm doing the absolute best thing for my children to

make them healthy in all ways. I find myself wondering if I would be

smarter if I had been breastfed instead of formula fed. Or maybe I wouldn't

have the weight problem I do if my mother had breastfed me. These are

things I will never have to wonder about for my own kids. I know I have

given them the best start possible for a healthy life. " Just fine " isn't

enough for me or my kids. I want them to be the best they can be and

breastmilk can do that. Formula can't. I really think we can't look at

what our mothers and grandmothers did in comparison to what mothers today

choose. Those were different times. Today there are all kinds of resources

to get support in breastfeeding and more information on why breast is best

and formula harmful. So yeah, you're " just fine " and I'm " just fine " but

our kids will be better than that.

Blithe

[Guest guest]

> " I wish that

> women who formula feed their children would stop saying how they made an

> informed choice, and that their children turned out " just fine, " because

in

> the end, they really aren't. "

Well, maybe they are " just fine " but that's not enough for me. By

breastfeeding I know I'm doing the absolute best thing for my children to

make them healthy in all ways. I find myself wondering if I would be

smarter if I had been breastfed instead of formula fed. Or maybe I wouldn't

have the weight problem I do if my mother had breastfed me. These are

things I will never have to wonder about for my own kids. I know I have

given them the best start possible for a healthy life. " Just fine " isn't

enough for me or my kids. I want them to be the best they can be and

breastmilk can do that. Formula can't. I really think we can't look at

what our mothers and grandmothers did in comparison to what mothers today

choose. Those were different times. Today there are all kinds of resources

to get support in breastfeeding and more information on why breast is best

and formula harmful. So yeah, you're " just fine " and I'm " just fine " but

our kids will be better than that.

Blithe

[Guest guest]

> " I wish that

> women who formula feed their children would stop saying how they made an

> informed choice, and that their children turned out " just fine, " because

in

> the end, they really aren't. "

Well, maybe they are " just fine " but that's not enough for me. By

breastfeeding I know I'm doing the absolute best thing for my children to

make them healthy in all ways. I find myself wondering if I would be

smarter if I had been breastfed instead of formula fed. Or maybe I wouldn't

have the weight problem I do if my mother had breastfed me. These are

things I will never have to wonder about for my own kids. I know I have

given them the best start possible for a healthy life. " Just fine " isn't

enough for me or my kids. I want them to be the best they can be and

breastmilk can do that. Formula can't. I really think we can't look at

what our mothers and grandmothers did in comparison to what mothers today

choose. Those were different times. Today there are all kinds of resources

to get support in breastfeeding and more information on why breast is best

and formula harmful. So yeah, you're " just fine " and I'm " just fine " but

our kids will be better than that.

Blithe

[Guest guest]

>

Very well said.

S

>

> > " I wish that

> > women who formula feed their children would stop saying how they made an

> > informed choice, and that their children turned out " just fine, " because

> in

> > the end, they really aren't. "

>

> Well, maybe they are " just fine " but that's not enough for me. By

> breastfeeding I know I'm doing the absolute best thing for my children to

> make them healthy in all ways. I find myself wondering if I would be

> smarter if I had been breastfed instead of formula fed. Or maybe I wouldn't

> have the weight problem I do if my mother had breastfed me. These are

> things I will never have to wonder about for my own kids. I know I have

> given them the best start possible for a healthy life. " Just fine " isn't

> enough for me or my kids. I want them to be the best they can be and

> breastmilk can do that. Formula can't. I really think we can't look at

> what our mothers and grandmothers did in comparison to what mothers today

> choose. Those were different times. Today there are all kinds of resources

> to get support in breastfeeding and more information on why breast is best

> and formula harmful. So yeah, you're " just fine " and I'm " just fine " but

> our kids will be better than that.

>

> Blithe

>

> Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

> http://www.lactivist.com

--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Having power over yourself is an inoculation

against the power of others.

- J. Ehrlich

The reason doctors are so dangerous is that they believe

in what they're doing.

- S. Mendelsohn

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Guest guest]

>

Very well said.

S

>

> > " I wish that

> > women who formula feed their children would stop saying how they made an

> > informed choice, and that their children turned out " just fine, " because

> in

> > the end, they really aren't. "

>

> Well, maybe they are " just fine " but that's not enough for me. By

> breastfeeding I know I'm doing the absolute best thing for my children to

> make them healthy in all ways. I find myself wondering if I would be

> smarter if I had been breastfed instead of formula fed. Or maybe I wouldn't

> have the weight problem I do if my mother had breastfed me. These are

> things I will never have to wonder about for my own kids. I know I have

> given them the best start possible for a healthy life. " Just fine " isn't

> enough for me or my kids. I want them to be the best they can be and

> breastmilk can do that. Formula can't. I really think we can't look at

> what our mothers and grandmothers did in comparison to what mothers today

> choose. Those were different times. Today there are all kinds of resources

> to get support in breastfeeding and more information on why breast is best

> and formula harmful. So yeah, you're " just fine " and I'm " just fine " but

> our kids will be better than that.

>

> Blithe

>

> Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

> http://www.lactivist.com

--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Having power over yourself is an inoculation

against the power of others.

- J. Ehrlich

The reason doctors are so dangerous is that they believe

in what they're doing.

- S. Mendelsohn

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Guest guest]

>

Very well said.

S

>

> > " I wish that

> > women who formula feed their children would stop saying how they made an

> > informed choice, and that their children turned out " just fine, " because

> in

> > the end, they really aren't. "

>

> Well, maybe they are " just fine " but that's not enough for me. By

> breastfeeding I know I'm doing the absolute best thing for my children to

> make them healthy in all ways. I find myself wondering if I would be

> smarter if I had been breastfed instead of formula fed. Or maybe I wouldn't

> have the weight problem I do if my mother had breastfed me. These are

> things I will never have to wonder about for my own kids. I know I have

> given them the best start possible for a healthy life. " Just fine " isn't

> enough for me or my kids. I want them to be the best they can be and

> breastmilk can do that. Formula can't. I really think we can't look at

> what our mothers and grandmothers did in comparison to what mothers today

> choose. Those were different times. Today there are all kinds of resources

> to get support in breastfeeding and more information on why breast is best

> and formula harmful. So yeah, you're " just fine " and I'm " just fine " but

> our kids will be better than that.

>

> Blithe

>

> Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

> http://www.lactivist.com

--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Having power over yourself is an inoculation

against the power of others.

- J. Ehrlich

The reason doctors are so dangerous is that they believe

in what they're doing.

- S. Mendelsohn

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Guest guest]

Just because you, or your relatives, or your friends use formula does not make

it

right or healthy. The plural of anecdote is not data. Pointing out the dangers

of

formula is not condemnation.

I believe one of the reasons we have *this* email loop is to discuss the

importance of exclusive breastfeeding - the dangers of formula being an

important

factor.

S.

[Guest guest]

Just because you, or your relatives, or your friends use formula does not make

it

right or healthy. The plural of anecdote is not data. Pointing out the dangers

of

formula is not condemnation.

I believe one of the reasons we have *this* email loop is to discuss the

importance of exclusive breastfeeding - the dangers of formula being an

important

factor.

S.

[Guest guest]

Just because you, or your relatives, or your friends use formula does not make

it

right or healthy. The plural of anecdote is not data. Pointing out the dangers

of

formula is not condemnation.

I believe one of the reasons we have *this* email loop is to discuss the

importance of exclusive breastfeeding - the dangers of formula being an

important

factor.

S.

[Guest guest]

I'm certainly not condemning anyone. I don't condemn my mother for formula

feeding me. But there is no arguing that breastmilk is far superior to

formula and that in many cases formula can be harmful.

Blithe

> come on now, condemning someone for their choice is not why we have email

> loops.. I gave my first child formula because he wasn't as constipated on

it,

> and my second had formula from 10 months on.. I would never condemn anyone

> for a choice they made

> Christi

[Guest guest]

I'm certainly not condemning anyone. I don't condemn my mother for formula

feeding me. But there is no arguing that breastmilk is far superior to

formula and that in many cases formula can be harmful.

Blithe

> come on now, condemning someone for their choice is not why we have email

> loops.. I gave my first child formula because he wasn't as constipated on

it,

> and my second had formula from 10 months on.. I would never condemn anyone

> for a choice they made

> Christi

[Guest guest]

I'm certainly not condemning anyone. I don't condemn my mother for formula

feeding me. But there is no arguing that breastmilk is far superior to

formula and that in many cases formula can be harmful.

Blithe

> come on now, condemning someone for their choice is not why we have email

> loops.. I gave my first child formula because he wasn't as constipated on

it,

> and my second had formula from 10 months on.. I would never condemn anyone

> for a choice they made

> Christi

[Guest guest]

>

> <<

> " I wish that

> women who formula feed their children would stop saying how they made an

> informed choice, and that their children turned out " just fine, " because

in

> the end, they really aren't. "

>

If a woman believes that her children turned fine, why on earth would you

want to argue with her?

Even if you are sure that a particular child would have been better if the

mother had made a different decision, what good can come of criticizing the

decisions that she has made in the past? .

If a woman is saying that she will choose in the future to formula feed, you

can and should tell her that statistically there are so many proven benefits

of breastfeeding, but to argue with her about decisions that she or someone

else has made in the past seems, as some else pointed out, very unkind. And

to imply that her children are not all they should be, look out!

I expect that you are talking about people who use this line as a

justification for the choice that they are about to make. However, telling

them that the children are not just fine, even though you believe that, will

just make them defensive. I would instead argue with the logic of that

rationalization. Just because one time you drove home without a seatbelt and

were just fine, doesn't mean that you *should* etc.

At any rate, you could never prove exactly what the outcome would have been

the other way for a particular child. As a *made up example*, if

statistically a formula fed group has twice as many eararches as a breastfed

group, that does not mean that a formula fed child who had 4 ear aches would

only have had 2 if he were breastfed.

My two cents,

Lynn

[Guest guest]

>

> <<

> " I wish that

> women who formula feed their children would stop saying how they made an

> informed choice, and that their children turned out " just fine, " because

in

> the end, they really aren't. "

>

If a woman believes that her children turned fine, why on earth would you

want to argue with her?

Even if you are sure that a particular child would have been better if the

mother had made a different decision, what good can come of criticizing the

decisions that she has made in the past? .

If a woman is saying that she will choose in the future to formula feed, you

can and should tell her that statistically there are so many proven benefits

of breastfeeding, but to argue with her about decisions that she or someone

else has made in the past seems, as some else pointed out, very unkind. And

to imply that her children are not all they should be, look out!

I expect that you are talking about people who use this line as a

justification for the choice that they are about to make. However, telling

them that the children are not just fine, even though you believe that, will

just make them defensive. I would instead argue with the logic of that

rationalization. Just because one time you drove home without a seatbelt and

were just fine, doesn't mean that you *should* etc.

At any rate, you could never prove exactly what the outcome would have been

the other way for a particular child. As a *made up example*, if

statistically a formula fed group has twice as many eararches as a breastfed

group, that does not mean that a formula fed child who had 4 ear aches would

only have had 2 if he were breastfed.

My two cents,

Lynn

[Guest guest]

> " I wish that

> women who formula feed their children would stop saying how they made

an

> informed choice, and that their children turned out " just fine, "

because

in

> the end, they really aren't. "

, I originally took this to mean that they *really aren't* making

an informed choice, not that they *really aren't* just fine. Can you

clarify?

Joan

[Guest guest]

> " I wish that

> women who formula feed their children would stop saying how they made

an

> informed choice, and that their children turned out " just fine, "

because

in

> the end, they really aren't. "

, I originally took this to mean that they *really aren't* making

an informed choice, not that they *really aren't* just fine. Can you

clarify?

Joan