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Jen,

Here you go. This is from my website.

http://www.lactivist.com/dangform.htm

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RE: [Fwd: [bTLdiapering] OT: Motherhood Stores]

> The problem is that in

> our society, the detrimental effects of formula feeding are covered up and

> are certainly never presented to an expectant mother unless she knows

> where to look.

Do you have any URL's or sources that I could read about this? I'd love to

know more.

-Jen

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Jen,

Here you go. This is from my website.

http://www.lactivist.com/dangform.htm

Wendi

http://www.lactivist.com

breastfeeding resources and info

RE: [Fwd: [bTLdiapering] OT: Motherhood Stores]

> The problem is that in

> our society, the detrimental effects of formula feeding are covered up and

> are certainly never presented to an expectant mother unless she knows

> where to look.

Do you have any URL's or sources that I could read about this? I'd love to

know more.

-Jen

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CUR #153 ICQ#875060

I was born Creative, not Patient.

Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

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> The problem is that in

> our society, the detrimental effects of formula feeding are covered up and

> are certainly never presented to an expectant mother unless she knows

> where to look.

Do you have any URL's or sources that I could read about this? I'd love to

know more.

-Jen

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> The problem is that in

> our society, the detrimental effects of formula feeding are covered up and

> are certainly never presented to an expectant mother unless she knows

> where to look.

Do you have any URL's or sources that I could read about this? I'd love to

know more.

-Jen

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> The problem is that in

> our society, the detrimental effects of formula feeding are covered up and

> are certainly never presented to an expectant mother unless she knows

> where to look.

Do you have any URL's or sources that I could read about this? I'd love to

know more.

-Jen

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Let's start with the AAP's 1997 recommendation. Breastfeeding and the Use of

Human Milk (RE9729) http://www.aap.org/policy/re9729.html << Epidemiologic

research shows that human milk and breastfeeding of infants provide

advantages with regard to general health, growth, and development, while

significantly decreasing risk for a large number of acute and chronic

diseases. Research in the United States, Canada, Europe, and other developed

countries, among predominantly middle-class populations, provides strong

evidence that human milk feeding decreases the incidence and/or severity of

diarrhea,1-5 lower respiratory infection,6-9 otitis media,3,10-14

bacteremia,15,16 bacterial meningitis,15,17 botulism,18 urinary tract

infection,19 and necrotizing enterocolitis.20,21 There are a number of

studies that show a possible protective effect of human milk feeding against

sudden infant death syndrome,22-24 insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus,25-27

Crohn's disease,28,29 ulcerative colitis,29 lymphoma,30,31 allergic

diseases,32-34 and other chronic digestive diseases.35-37 Breastfeeding has

also been related to possible enhancement of cognitive development.38,39>>

All of the little numbers are refernces which are available at the website.

And this is not intended to be rude, but even with knowing all that you do

about *breastfeeding* there is a lot that you were not aware of regarding

formula feeding. We need to stop saying 'breast is best' and start saying

formula is worst. BF needs to be the norm and formula feeding *inferior.*

Jenn

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From: M. Elliott

> The problem is that in

> our society, the detrimental effects of formula feeding are covered up and

> are certainly never presented to an expectant mother unless she knows

> where to look.

Do you have any URL's or sources that I could read about this? I'd love to

know more.

-Jen

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Let's start with the AAP's 1997 recommendation. Breastfeeding and the Use of

Human Milk (RE9729) http://www.aap.org/policy/re9729.html << Epidemiologic

research shows that human milk and breastfeeding of infants provide

advantages with regard to general health, growth, and development, while

significantly decreasing risk for a large number of acute and chronic

diseases. Research in the United States, Canada, Europe, and other developed

countries, among predominantly middle-class populations, provides strong

evidence that human milk feeding decreases the incidence and/or severity of

diarrhea,1-5 lower respiratory infection,6-9 otitis media,3,10-14

bacteremia,15,16 bacterial meningitis,15,17 botulism,18 urinary tract

infection,19 and necrotizing enterocolitis.20,21 There are a number of

studies that show a possible protective effect of human milk feeding against

sudden infant death syndrome,22-24 insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus,25-27

Crohn's disease,28,29 ulcerative colitis,29 lymphoma,30,31 allergic

diseases,32-34 and other chronic digestive diseases.35-37 Breastfeeding has

also been related to possible enhancement of cognitive development.38,39>>

All of the little numbers are refernces which are available at the website.

And this is not intended to be rude, but even with knowing all that you do

about *breastfeeding* there is a lot that you were not aware of regarding

formula feeding. We need to stop saying 'breast is best' and start saying

formula is worst. BF needs to be the norm and formula feeding *inferior.*

Jenn

-----Original Message-----

From: M. Elliott

> The problem is that in

> our society, the detrimental effects of formula feeding are covered up and

> are certainly never presented to an expectant mother unless she knows

> where to look.

Do you have any URL's or sources that I could read about this? I'd love to

know more.

-Jen

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Let's start with the AAP's 1997 recommendation. Breastfeeding and the Use of

Human Milk (RE9729) http://www.aap.org/policy/re9729.html << Epidemiologic

research shows that human milk and breastfeeding of infants provide

advantages with regard to general health, growth, and development, while

significantly decreasing risk for a large number of acute and chronic

diseases. Research in the United States, Canada, Europe, and other developed

countries, among predominantly middle-class populations, provides strong

evidence that human milk feeding decreases the incidence and/or severity of

diarrhea,1-5 lower respiratory infection,6-9 otitis media,3,10-14

bacteremia,15,16 bacterial meningitis,15,17 botulism,18 urinary tract

infection,19 and necrotizing enterocolitis.20,21 There are a number of

studies that show a possible protective effect of human milk feeding against

sudden infant death syndrome,22-24 insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus,25-27

Crohn's disease,28,29 ulcerative colitis,29 lymphoma,30,31 allergic

diseases,32-34 and other chronic digestive diseases.35-37 Breastfeeding has

also been related to possible enhancement of cognitive development.38,39>>

All of the little numbers are refernces which are available at the website.

And this is not intended to be rude, but even with knowing all that you do

about *breastfeeding* there is a lot that you were not aware of regarding

formula feeding. We need to stop saying 'breast is best' and start saying

formula is worst. BF needs to be the norm and formula feeding *inferior.*

Jenn

-----Original Message-----

From: M. Elliott

> The problem is that in

> our society, the detrimental effects of formula feeding are covered up and

> are certainly never presented to an expectant mother unless she knows

> where to look.

Do you have any URL's or sources that I could read about this? I'd love to

know more.

-Jen

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Who would be coming up with these gifts for BF moms? LLL Is a non-profit

organization. And the companies that you mentioned have no where near the

multi-million dollar marketing budget that the pharmaceutical/formula

companies do.

Every dollar that formula companies spend trying to get BF moms to use their

product comes back to them ten-fold. Even the information that comes hose

" BF Friendly " packs is not always accurate. Read it all again with a

critical eye. Are those diagrams showing proper positioning? Are the photos

of the FF moms all poised and composed while the BF moms are in their

nighties or bra? What about he messages for *when* you need to

supplement...not *if.*

Simply by carrying the cute little cooler bags with those handy dandy gel

packs and breastmilk storage bottles in it, you are advertising for Ross. I

did it too until I 'got it'.

Jenn

-----Original Message-----

From: M. Elliott

Its someone else's fault for not comming up with a " gift " to give

breastfeeding mothers. (snip) Maybe the key is to write to Avent or Medela

or Ameda and have them put together a free breastfeeding mother's kit. I

think the formula companies are already doing a great job since they include

information on breastfeeding in their packs. The pack I got from my

hospital had bf'ing information in it as well as a cold pack for keeping bm

cool.

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Who would be coming up with these gifts for BF moms? LLL Is a non-profit

organization. And the companies that you mentioned have no where near the

multi-million dollar marketing budget that the pharmaceutical/formula

companies do.

Every dollar that formula companies spend trying to get BF moms to use their

product comes back to them ten-fold. Even the information that comes hose

" BF Friendly " packs is not always accurate. Read it all again with a

critical eye. Are those diagrams showing proper positioning? Are the photos

of the FF moms all poised and composed while the BF moms are in their

nighties or bra? What about he messages for *when* you need to

supplement...not *if.*

Simply by carrying the cute little cooler bags with those handy dandy gel

packs and breastmilk storage bottles in it, you are advertising for Ross. I

did it too until I 'got it'.

Jenn

-----Original Message-----

From: M. Elliott

Its someone else's fault for not comming up with a " gift " to give

breastfeeding mothers. (snip) Maybe the key is to write to Avent or Medela

or Ameda and have them put together a free breastfeeding mother's kit. I

think the formula companies are already doing a great job since they include

information on breastfeeding in their packs. The pack I got from my

hospital had bf'ing information in it as well as a cold pack for keeping bm

cool.

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Who would be coming up with these gifts for BF moms? LLL Is a non-profit

organization. And the companies that you mentioned have no where near the

multi-million dollar marketing budget that the pharmaceutical/formula

companies do.

Every dollar that formula companies spend trying to get BF moms to use their

product comes back to them ten-fold. Even the information that comes hose

" BF Friendly " packs is not always accurate. Read it all again with a

critical eye. Are those diagrams showing proper positioning? Are the photos

of the FF moms all poised and composed while the BF moms are in their

nighties or bra? What about he messages for *when* you need to

supplement...not *if.*

Simply by carrying the cute little cooler bags with those handy dandy gel

packs and breastmilk storage bottles in it, you are advertising for Ross. I

did it too until I 'got it'.

Jenn

-----Original Message-----

From: M. Elliott

Its someone else's fault for not comming up with a " gift " to give

breastfeeding mothers. (snip) Maybe the key is to write to Avent or Medela

or Ameda and have them put together a free breastfeeding mother's kit. I

think the formula companies are already doing a great job since they include

information on breastfeeding in their packs. The pack I got from my

hospital had bf'ing information in it as well as a cold pack for keeping bm

cool.

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apmom wrote:

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>

[eGroups] My Groups | breastfeeding Main Page | Start a

new group!

>

> I, also, received formula when I delivered my youngest. I donated

> them to a place called Birthright, which is a crisis pregnancy

> center. They offer diapers, formula, and counseling to pregnant

> mothers in crisis and their babies through our church as an

> alternative to abortion, enabling them to keep their little ones.

> This would be another option, if there's one in your area (check with

> a Catholic church in your area!)

That's exactly the type of situation I would want to avoid. Donating it

to a homeless shelter is one thing (something formula co's should do but

don't since it doesn't generate future paying customers) but giving it

to pregnant woman is not for me. I think it implies to them that it's

something they will need. Plus, the motivation behind it is against my

beliefs.

I considered Wendi's suggestion of sending it back, but i'm afraid my

letter would only get tossed and the formula would be sent out again to

someone else - I would have spent a few bucks to do them a favor. I'll

probably just take a picture of it going out in the trash and send that

to them.

S

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against the power of others.

- J. Ehrlich

The reason doctors are so dangerous is that they believe

in what they're doing.

- S. Mendelsohn

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apmom wrote:

>

>

[eGroups] My Groups | breastfeeding Main Page | Start a

new group!

>

> I, also, received formula when I delivered my youngest. I donated

> them to a place called Birthright, which is a crisis pregnancy

> center. They offer diapers, formula, and counseling to pregnant

> mothers in crisis and their babies through our church as an

> alternative to abortion, enabling them to keep their little ones.

> This would be another option, if there's one in your area (check with

> a Catholic church in your area!)

That's exactly the type of situation I would want to avoid. Donating it

to a homeless shelter is one thing (something formula co's should do but

don't since it doesn't generate future paying customers) but giving it

to pregnant woman is not for me. I think it implies to them that it's

something they will need. Plus, the motivation behind it is against my

beliefs.

I considered Wendi's suggestion of sending it back, but i'm afraid my

letter would only get tossed and the formula would be sent out again to

someone else - I would have spent a few bucks to do them a favor. I'll

probably just take a picture of it going out in the trash and send that

to them.

S

--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Having power over yourself is an inoculation

against the power of others.

- J. Ehrlich

The reason doctors are so dangerous is that they believe

in what they're doing.

- S. Mendelsohn

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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apmom wrote:

>

>

[eGroups] My Groups | breastfeeding Main Page | Start a

new group!

>

> I, also, received formula when I delivered my youngest. I donated

> them to a place called Birthright, which is a crisis pregnancy

> center. They offer diapers, formula, and counseling to pregnant

> mothers in crisis and their babies through our church as an

> alternative to abortion, enabling them to keep their little ones.

> This would be another option, if there's one in your area (check with

> a Catholic church in your area!)

That's exactly the type of situation I would want to avoid. Donating it

to a homeless shelter is one thing (something formula co's should do but

don't since it doesn't generate future paying customers) but giving it

to pregnant woman is not for me. I think it implies to them that it's

something they will need. Plus, the motivation behind it is against my

beliefs.

I considered Wendi's suggestion of sending it back, but i'm afraid my

letter would only get tossed and the formula would be sent out again to

someone else - I would have spent a few bucks to do them a favor. I'll

probably just take a picture of it going out in the trash and send that

to them.

S

--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Having power over yourself is an inoculation

against the power of others.

- J. Ehrlich

The reason doctors are so dangerous is that they believe

in what they're doing.

- S. Mendelsohn

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> I considered Wendi's suggestion of sending it back, but i'm afraid my

> letter would only get tossed and the formula would be sent out again to

> someone else - I would have spent a few bucks to do them a favor. I'll

> probably just take a picture of it going out in the trash and send that

> to them.

> S

Wendi also suggested pouring it all out and sending them back only the

empty cans with a letter. Postage would be cheaper and tehy couldn't

redistribute it.

Blithe

>

> --

>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~

>

> Having power over yourself is an inoculation

> against the power of others.

> - J. Ehrlich

>

> The reason doctors are so dangerous is that they believe

> in what they're doing.

> - S. Mendelsohn

>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~

>

>

>

>

> Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

> http://www.lactivist.com

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> I considered Wendi's suggestion of sending it back, but i'm afraid my

> letter would only get tossed and the formula would be sent out again to

> someone else - I would have spent a few bucks to do them a favor. I'll

> probably just take a picture of it going out in the trash and send that

> to them.

> S

Wendi also suggested pouring it all out and sending them back only the

empty cans with a letter. Postage would be cheaper and tehy couldn't

redistribute it.

Blithe

>

> --

>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~

>

> Having power over yourself is an inoculation

> against the power of others.

> - J. Ehrlich

>

> The reason doctors are so dangerous is that they believe

> in what they're doing.

> - S. Mendelsohn

>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~

>

>

>

>

> Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

> http://www.lactivist.com

>

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> I considered Wendi's suggestion of sending it back, but i'm afraid my

> letter would only get tossed and the formula would be sent out again to

> someone else - I would have spent a few bucks to do them a favor. I'll

> probably just take a picture of it going out in the trash and send that

> to them.

> S

Wendi also suggested pouring it all out and sending them back only the

empty cans with a letter. Postage would be cheaper and tehy couldn't

redistribute it.

Blithe

>

> --

>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~

>

> Having power over yourself is an inoculation

> against the power of others.

> - J. Ehrlich

>

> The reason doctors are so dangerous is that they believe

> in what they're doing.

> - S. Mendelsohn

>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~

>

>

>

>

> Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

> http://www.lactivist.com

>

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Hi, my name is Wanda and I have kinda been lurking for awhile, just getting my

fill. My dd was born on 4-19-00 and i have to tell you that at the hospital that

i delivered at there was a cooler with the ice packs and breast pads and all

info about breast feeding. I couldnt even get the free small diaper bag that

comes with the free formula unless i had one of the coupons from the formula

manufacturers. I thought that was a great idea bc you werent tempted to just

give a bottle right away if bf wasnt working out.

Wanda mom to Don 2-15-84, 3-27-85, 4-13-95 and Holly 4-19-00

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Hi, my name is Wanda and I have kinda been lurking for awhile, just getting my

fill. My dd was born on 4-19-00 and i have to tell you that at the hospital that

i delivered at there was a cooler with the ice packs and breast pads and all

info about breast feeding. I couldnt even get the free small diaper bag that

comes with the free formula unless i had one of the coupons from the formula

manufacturers. I thought that was a great idea bc you werent tempted to just

give a bottle right away if bf wasnt working out.

Wanda mom to Don 2-15-84, 3-27-85, 4-13-95 and Holly 4-19-00

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Hi, my name is Wanda and I have kinda been lurking for awhile, just getting my

fill. My dd was born on 4-19-00 and i have to tell you that at the hospital that

i delivered at there was a cooler with the ice packs and breast pads and all

info about breast feeding. I couldnt even get the free small diaper bag that

comes with the free formula unless i had one of the coupons from the formula

manufacturers. I thought that was a great idea bc you werent tempted to just

give a bottle right away if bf wasnt working out.

Wanda mom to Don 2-15-84, 3-27-85, 4-13-95 and Holly 4-19-00

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Wanda,

Welcome to the list. It's great that some hospitals have started giving

breastfeeding packs. There certainly are plenty of incentives for formula

feeding.

Wendi

http://www.lactivist.com

breastfeeding resources and info

RE: [Fwd: [bTLdiapering] OT: Motherhood Stores]

Hi, my name is Wanda and I have kinda been lurking for awhile, just getting

my fill. My dd was born on 4-19-00 and i have to tell you that at the

hospital that i delivered at there was a cooler with the ice packs and

breast pads and all info about breast feeding. I couldnt even get the free

small diaper bag that comes with the free formula unless i had one of the

coupons from the formula manufacturers. I thought that was a great idea bc

you werent tempted to just give a bottle right away if bf wasnt working out.

Wanda mom to Don 2-15-84, 3-27-85, 4-13-95 and Holly 4-19-00

Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

http://www.lactivist.com

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Wanda,

Welcome to the list. It's great that some hospitals have started giving

breastfeeding packs. There certainly are plenty of incentives for formula

feeding.

Wendi

http://www.lactivist.com

breastfeeding resources and info

RE: [Fwd: [bTLdiapering] OT: Motherhood Stores]

Hi, my name is Wanda and I have kinda been lurking for awhile, just getting

my fill. My dd was born on 4-19-00 and i have to tell you that at the

hospital that i delivered at there was a cooler with the ice packs and

breast pads and all info about breast feeding. I couldnt even get the free

small diaper bag that comes with the free formula unless i had one of the

coupons from the formula manufacturers. I thought that was a great idea bc

you werent tempted to just give a bottle right away if bf wasnt working out.

Wanda mom to Don 2-15-84, 3-27-85, 4-13-95 and Holly 4-19-00

Give the Gift of Life Breastfeed!

http://www.lactivist.com

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>Hi, my name is Wanda and I have kinda been lurking for awhile, just

>getting my fill. My dd was born on 4-19-00 and i have to tell you that at

>the hospital that i delivered at there was a cooler with the ice packs and

>breast pads and all info about breast feeding. I couldnt even get the free

>small diaper bag that comes with the free formula unless i had one of the

>coupons from the formula manufacturers. I thought that was a great idea bc

>you werent tempted to just give a bottle right away if bf wasnt working out.

Wanda,

I got something like this with my first child too, but never connected that

the breastfeeding literature was written by a formula company. Needless to

say that my breastfeeding efforts ended in a nursing strike at 3 months

with him.

Check for information about who published your literature. Ross Labs,

Mead-Abbott and Wyeth are all formula manufacturers and have a vested

interest in your breastfeeding not being successful. I'd take any info

from them with a grain of salt and look for info endorsed by breastfeeding

organizations instead!

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>Hi, my name is Wanda and I have kinda been lurking for awhile, just

>getting my fill. My dd was born on 4-19-00 and i have to tell you that at

>the hospital that i delivered at there was a cooler with the ice packs and

>breast pads and all info about breast feeding. I couldnt even get the free

>small diaper bag that comes with the free formula unless i had one of the

>coupons from the formula manufacturers. I thought that was a great idea bc

>you werent tempted to just give a bottle right away if bf wasnt working out.

Wanda,

I got something like this with my first child too, but never connected that

the breastfeeding literature was written by a formula company. Needless to

say that my breastfeeding efforts ended in a nursing strike at 3 months

with him.

Check for information about who published your literature. Ross Labs,

Mead-Abbott and Wyeth are all formula manufacturers and have a vested

interest in your breastfeeding not being successful. I'd take any info

from them with a grain of salt and look for info endorsed by breastfeeding

organizations instead!

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>Hi, my name is Wanda and I have kinda been lurking for awhile, just

>getting my fill. My dd was born on 4-19-00 and i have to tell you that at

>the hospital that i delivered at there was a cooler with the ice packs and

>breast pads and all info about breast feeding. I couldnt even get the free

>small diaper bag that comes with the free formula unless i had one of the

>coupons from the formula manufacturers. I thought that was a great idea bc

>you werent tempted to just give a bottle right away if bf wasnt working out.

Wanda,

I got something like this with my first child too, but never connected that

the breastfeeding literature was written by a formula company. Needless to

say that my breastfeeding efforts ended in a nursing strike at 3 months

with him.

Check for information about who published your literature. Ross Labs,

Mead-Abbott and Wyeth are all formula manufacturers and have a vested

interest in your breastfeeding not being successful. I'd take any info

from them with a grain of salt and look for info endorsed by breastfeeding

organizations instead!

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