Re: dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

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that is too erry my oldest son who is now 18 was diganosed when he was 13 with

dylsexia. I am the only one what has Graves diagnosed two years ago, although

they think I lived with it much longer.....

dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I am

the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

" difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

DAWN ROSE

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that is too erry my oldest son who is now 18 was diganosed when he was 13 with

dylsexia. I am the only one what has Graves diagnosed two years ago, although

they think I lived with it much longer.....

dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I am

the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

" difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

DAWN ROSE

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[Guest guest]

that is too erry my oldest son who is now 18 was diganosed when he was 13 with

dylsexia. I am the only one what has Graves diagnosed two years ago, although

they think I lived with it much longer.....

dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I am

the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

" difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

DAWN ROSE

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Wow -

I didn't know there was such a connection! How interesting, this really

makes me wonder now about my own son. Laurel - thanks for your post, that

info was very timely for me!

Now , Dawn, Laurel, - I'm getting the impression you all might

have some personal experience with this, so maybe you can give me some

specific advice. My oldest son is 7.5 and in first grade. He was a late

talker (not until 3 years old). He was tested at that time, and never found

and physical reasons why he was speech delayed. Dr. chalked it up to " just

one of those things " . However, we were warned this could also manifest again

in difficulties with learning to read. Sure enough, he is having a tough

time of it. Only in the last 2 months has he really seemed to begin to " get

it " when it comes to reading. I've talked with his doc and he agrees there

is some cause for concern and he may have a learning disability (likely a

form of dyslexia). His teacher has told me that he is one of the most

behind in reading and it wouldn't talk much for him to fall behind the first

grade levels. Funny thing is that he's really good with math and numbers as

well as spelling. I keep trying to figure out how you can spell a word, but

not read it! I want to have him tested, but the school system is dragging

its feet. First they told me that they can't accurately test for dyslexia

when a child is under 7. Fine, I can accept that, but now he's almost 8 and

I'd rather find out if there's a problem sooner rather than later. They just

keep telling me that he's at least making progress, so there's no need to

worry. Ha!

Can any of you tell me if there are any specific symptoms or problems that

you noticed that made you think there might be a problem? How is the

dyslexia diagnosed? How did anyone go about getting diagnosed? Any advice

would be greatly appreciated. I don't know anyone else locally who has gone

through a similar situation, so I feel like I'm trying to figure it out all

on my own!

Thanks so much everyone!

dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

>This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I

am

>the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

>with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

> " difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

>

>DAWN ROSE

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Wow -

I didn't know there was such a connection! How interesting, this really

makes me wonder now about my own son. Laurel - thanks for your post, that

info was very timely for me!

Now , Dawn, Laurel, - I'm getting the impression you all might

have some personal experience with this, so maybe you can give me some

specific advice. My oldest son is 7.5 and in first grade. He was a late

talker (not until 3 years old). He was tested at that time, and never found

and physical reasons why he was speech delayed. Dr. chalked it up to " just

one of those things " . However, we were warned this could also manifest again

in difficulties with learning to read. Sure enough, he is having a tough

time of it. Only in the last 2 months has he really seemed to begin to " get

it " when it comes to reading. I've talked with his doc and he agrees there

is some cause for concern and he may have a learning disability (likely a

form of dyslexia). His teacher has told me that he is one of the most

behind in reading and it wouldn't talk much for him to fall behind the first

grade levels. Funny thing is that he's really good with math and numbers as

well as spelling. I keep trying to figure out how you can spell a word, but

not read it! I want to have him tested, but the school system is dragging

its feet. First they told me that they can't accurately test for dyslexia

when a child is under 7. Fine, I can accept that, but now he's almost 8 and

I'd rather find out if there's a problem sooner rather than later. They just

keep telling me that he's at least making progress, so there's no need to

worry. Ha!

Can any of you tell me if there are any specific symptoms or problems that

you noticed that made you think there might be a problem? How is the

dyslexia diagnosed? How did anyone go about getting diagnosed? Any advice

would be greatly appreciated. I don't know anyone else locally who has gone

through a similar situation, so I feel like I'm trying to figure it out all

on my own!

Thanks so much everyone!

dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

>This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I

am

>the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

>with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

> " difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

>

>DAWN ROSE

>

>

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Wow -

I didn't know there was such a connection! How interesting, this really

makes me wonder now about my own son. Laurel - thanks for your post, that

info was very timely for me!

Now , Dawn, Laurel, - I'm getting the impression you all might

have some personal experience with this, so maybe you can give me some

specific advice. My oldest son is 7.5 and in first grade. He was a late

talker (not until 3 years old). He was tested at that time, and never found

and physical reasons why he was speech delayed. Dr. chalked it up to " just

one of those things " . However, we were warned this could also manifest again

in difficulties with learning to read. Sure enough, he is having a tough

time of it. Only in the last 2 months has he really seemed to begin to " get

it " when it comes to reading. I've talked with his doc and he agrees there

is some cause for concern and he may have a learning disability (likely a

form of dyslexia). His teacher has told me that he is one of the most

behind in reading and it wouldn't talk much for him to fall behind the first

grade levels. Funny thing is that he's really good with math and numbers as

well as spelling. I keep trying to figure out how you can spell a word, but

not read it! I want to have him tested, but the school system is dragging

its feet. First they told me that they can't accurately test for dyslexia

when a child is under 7. Fine, I can accept that, but now he's almost 8 and

I'd rather find out if there's a problem sooner rather than later. They just

keep telling me that he's at least making progress, so there's no need to

worry. Ha!

Can any of you tell me if there are any specific symptoms or problems that

you noticed that made you think there might be a problem? How is the

dyslexia diagnosed? How did anyone go about getting diagnosed? Any advice

would be greatly appreciated. I don't know anyone else locally who has gone

through a similar situation, so I feel like I'm trying to figure it out all

on my own!

Thanks so much everyone!

dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

>This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I

am

>the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

>with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

> " difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

>

>DAWN ROSE

>

>

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Hi ,

The testing the schools do is called Battery Tests, and by Federal Law you

have a right to have them done. I can't remember the law number, but maybe

a search will yeild it to you...then you call the school, or better yet, go

in, meet with the principal and the guidence counselor and tell them you

want battery tests done on your son immediately, they have either 1 or 2

weeks to comply and they MUST do them. Tell them if they do not do them in

a very timely manner, you will turn them in.

Your local federal representatives office should be able to give you the law

number and send you a copy of it. I had to go through this with my daughter

and a friend from D.C. sent me the law...I walked into the school with this

pamphlet in my hand...the tests were done in 48 hours. Sometimes we have to

show the school who is in charge.

Good luck, and better to get these tests done now while he is young than at

an older age...he will fall through many cracks in the system in the next

few years if they dont' do them now. Been there, done that, and regret not

becoming informed much earlier on this issue. BTW, they have tests geared

at every age level from age 5 and up.

Jody

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Hi , your pediatrician should be able to arrange testing or at least

point you in the right direction - that's how it is in this state anyway...

Don't leave it up to the school if they aren't on top of it. My

brother-in-law wasn't diagnosed until senior year of high school and they

always thought he was just slow... turns out he is brilliant and has several

high tech patents now and articles, etc. Unfortunately he will probably

always have a self-esteem problem - he's constantly trying to prove himself

now to make up for all the time people thought he was dumb. I don't know

how they figured it out, but he says that once they did, they were able to

teach him how to study and learn differently and it made all the difference,

and he did great in college, though he almost didn't make it through high

school.

Or, it could just be that your son is just better at math/logic and not so

great at language skills. My husband is that way

Good luck figuring it all out!

Pam B.

dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

>This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I

am

>the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

>with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

> " difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

>

>DAWN ROSE

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi , your pediatrician should be able to arrange testing or at least

point you in the right direction - that's how it is in this state anyway...

Don't leave it up to the school if they aren't on top of it. My

brother-in-law wasn't diagnosed until senior year of high school and they

always thought he was just slow... turns out he is brilliant and has several

high tech patents now and articles, etc. Unfortunately he will probably

always have a self-esteem problem - he's constantly trying to prove himself

now to make up for all the time people thought he was dumb. I don't know

how they figured it out, but he says that once they did, they were able to

teach him how to study and learn differently and it made all the difference,

and he did great in college, though he almost didn't make it through high

school.

Or, it could just be that your son is just better at math/logic and not so

great at language skills. My husband is that way

Good luck figuring it all out!

Pam B.

dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

>This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I

am

>the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

>with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

> " difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

>

>DAWN ROSE

>

>

>_________________________________________________________________

>Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi , your pediatrician should be able to arrange testing or at least

point you in the right direction - that's how it is in this state anyway...

Don't leave it up to the school if they aren't on top of it. My

brother-in-law wasn't diagnosed until senior year of high school and they

always thought he was just slow... turns out he is brilliant and has several

high tech patents now and articles, etc. Unfortunately he will probably

always have a self-esteem problem - he's constantly trying to prove himself

now to make up for all the time people thought he was dumb. I don't know

how they figured it out, but he says that once they did, they were able to

teach him how to study and learn differently and it made all the difference,

and he did great in college, though he almost didn't make it through high

school.

Or, it could just be that your son is just better at math/logic and not so

great at language skills. My husband is that way

Good luck figuring it all out!

Pam B.

dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

>This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I

am

>the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

>with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

> " difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

>

>DAWN ROSE

>

>

>_________________________________________________________________

>Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

>

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>

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,

I can't answer all your questions but I can give you a couple pieces of

advice:

1) Einstein didn't talk till he was 3. 2) School systems drag their feet on

testing for a very good reason--the law says if there is a problem that is

identified, they have to provide whatever special teachers and programs are

necessary to help solve it. School systems will refuse to test as long as

the parent is meek enough to allow them to do that, rather than incur the

expense involved with educating a special-needs child. 3) They'd rather

blame you or your child or claim him to be ADD. When my youngest son had

reading problems, they suggested he see his pediatrician and get a

prescription for Ritalin. I refused. But, I was one of the meek ones, who

allowed them to skirt the testing--but he did work with the reading

specialist at his school. He's a good reader at this point, but has always

struggled with school, even though he's very bright. He is graduating from

high school this June, if he passes everything.

Finally, I think philosophically that there is something to be said for

allowing a child to struggle through with appropriate help, and resisting,

at all costs, medicating him. All of life is a learning process, and I hate

the idea of teaching a child that there's always a solution in a bottle of

pills. I know you haven't mentioned this but take my word for it, one of

these days, they'll hit you with this idea. Be prepared!

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:33:16 -0500

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: Re: dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

> Wow -

>

> I didn't know there was such a connection! How interesting, this really

> makes me wonder now about my own son. Laurel - thanks for your post, that

> info was very timely for me!

>

> Now , Dawn, Laurel, - I'm getting the impression you all might

> have some personal experience with this, so maybe you can give me some

> specific advice. My oldest son is 7.5 and in first grade. He was a late

> talker (not until 3 years old). He was tested at that time, and never found

> and physical reasons why he was speech delayed. Dr. chalked it up to " just

> one of those things " . However, we were warned this could also manifest again

> in difficulties with learning to read. Sure enough, he is having a tough

> time of it. Only in the last 2 months has he really seemed to begin to " get

> it " when it comes to reading. I've talked with his doc and he agrees there

> is some cause for concern and he may have a learning disability (likely a

> form of dyslexia). His teacher has told me that he is one of the most

> behind in reading and it wouldn't talk much for him to fall behind the first

> grade levels. Funny thing is that he's really good with math and numbers as

> well as spelling. I keep trying to figure out how you can spell a word, but

> not read it! I want to have him tested, but the school system is dragging

> its feet. First they told me that they can't accurately test for dyslexia

> when a child is under 7. Fine, I can accept that, but now he's almost 8 and

> I'd rather find out if there's a problem sooner rather than later. They just

> keep telling me that he's at least making progress, so there's no need to

> worry. Ha!

>

> Can any of you tell me if there are any specific symptoms or problems that

> you noticed that made you think there might be a problem? How is the

> dyslexia diagnosed? How did anyone go about getting diagnosed? Any advice

> would be greatly appreciated. I don't know anyone else locally who has gone

> through a similar situation, so I feel like I'm trying to figure it out all

> on my own!

>

> Thanks so much everyone!

>

>

>

> dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

>

>>

>> This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I

> am

>> the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

>> with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

>> " difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

>>

>> DAWN ROSE

>>

>>

>> _________________________________________________________________

>> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

>>

>>

>>

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> intended to replace expert medical care.

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>> DISCLAIMER

>>

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> endorsement of

>> the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

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>>

[Guest guest]

,

I can't answer all your questions but I can give you a couple pieces of

advice:

1) Einstein didn't talk till he was 3. 2) School systems drag their feet on

testing for a very good reason--the law says if there is a problem that is

identified, they have to provide whatever special teachers and programs are

necessary to help solve it. School systems will refuse to test as long as

the parent is meek enough to allow them to do that, rather than incur the

expense involved with educating a special-needs child. 3) They'd rather

blame you or your child or claim him to be ADD. When my youngest son had

reading problems, they suggested he see his pediatrician and get a

prescription for Ritalin. I refused. But, I was one of the meek ones, who

allowed them to skirt the testing--but he did work with the reading

specialist at his school. He's a good reader at this point, but has always

struggled with school, even though he's very bright. He is graduating from

high school this June, if he passes everything.

Finally, I think philosophically that there is something to be said for

allowing a child to struggle through with appropriate help, and resisting,

at all costs, medicating him. All of life is a learning process, and I hate

the idea of teaching a child that there's always a solution in a bottle of

pills. I know you haven't mentioned this but take my word for it, one of

these days, they'll hit you with this idea. Be prepared!

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:33:16 -0500

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: Re: dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

> Wow -

>

> I didn't know there was such a connection! How interesting, this really

> makes me wonder now about my own son. Laurel - thanks for your post, that

> info was very timely for me!

>

> Now , Dawn, Laurel, - I'm getting the impression you all might

> have some personal experience with this, so maybe you can give me some

> specific advice. My oldest son is 7.5 and in first grade. He was a late

> talker (not until 3 years old). He was tested at that time, and never found

> and physical reasons why he was speech delayed. Dr. chalked it up to " just

> one of those things " . However, we were warned this could also manifest again

> in difficulties with learning to read. Sure enough, he is having a tough

> time of it. Only in the last 2 months has he really seemed to begin to " get

> it " when it comes to reading. I've talked with his doc and he agrees there

> is some cause for concern and he may have a learning disability (likely a

> form of dyslexia). His teacher has told me that he is one of the most

> behind in reading and it wouldn't talk much for him to fall behind the first

> grade levels. Funny thing is that he's really good with math and numbers as

> well as spelling. I keep trying to figure out how you can spell a word, but

> not read it! I want to have him tested, but the school system is dragging

> its feet. First they told me that they can't accurately test for dyslexia

> when a child is under 7. Fine, I can accept that, but now he's almost 8 and

> I'd rather find out if there's a problem sooner rather than later. They just

> keep telling me that he's at least making progress, so there's no need to

> worry. Ha!

>

> Can any of you tell me if there are any specific symptoms or problems that

> you noticed that made you think there might be a problem? How is the

> dyslexia diagnosed? How did anyone go about getting diagnosed? Any advice

> would be greatly appreciated. I don't know anyone else locally who has gone

> through a similar situation, so I feel like I'm trying to figure it out all

> on my own!

>

> Thanks so much everyone!

>

>

>

> dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

>

>>

>> This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I

> am

>> the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

>> with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

>> " difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

>>

>> DAWN ROSE

>>

>>

>> _________________________________________________________________

>> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

>>

>>

>>

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> intended to replace expert medical care.

>> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

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>> DISCLAIMER

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> endorsement of

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I'm doing some of this from memory (which usually sucks) so bear with me if you

can. Dyslexic children are usually what the brain people describe as " normal

with pockets of brilliance. " Dyslexia is a wiring problem in the brain. It

occurs most often, if I remember this correctly, in the posterior parietal lobe

on the right side, some sources will also note something called Wernike's area

which is left side and near the left ear and has to do with making sense of

spoken words. So, dyslexics often compensate and/or are brilliant in other

areas of brain function. He may have great visual spatial stuff which is common

in lefties (lots of lefties are architects for example). And, remember, all of

this is not fixed. We are constantly re-wiring our brains based on experience.

Most of the population has wiring " more or less " in the same general areas,

unless, of course, you are a stroke victim, a head trauma patient, have autism,

are left handed, or dyslexic or any number of other things. In fact most there

is a cultural bias in some brain wiring. All this makes for diversity and

diversity is what makes life interesting.

In fact it seems that no two people are wired exactly the same way. But

language is very strongly left sided. This is why people with strokes who are

left handed may have a slightly greater chance of recovery following a stroke.

Your son may learn best by seeing and hearing. For anybody to be able to read

they have to learn that each squigly thing (a letter) has not only one sound but

several variations of that sound (vowels are killers). They then have to be

able to see those letters, get them from the eyes to the occipital lobe,

translate them to some understandable electrical impulse, send them to the

correct place to decode meaning (after stringing all the letters/ sounds

together) and then be able to hear them internally, which means that they have

heard them before. Then they have to make sense in context. Of course the

visual part has to be in high gear as well so that all those squiggly lines are

in order. Once all that has taken place it has to be associated with something

with which the individual has experience. In other words if you say, " The cat

is on the piano. " you have to understand " cat " , " piano " , the preposition " on " ,

and the act of being or being in existence. Not an easy task. This process is

out of whack with dyslexics so that the information is not co-ordinated.

Dyslexics tend to hear whole words better than phonetically broken down ones.

So the more words a kid has stored as whole words (not as phonetic sounds) the

better they can read.

Its been said that human beings are the only species that is symbolic. Some of

the great apes seem to have this ability but in a very limited sense. There is

some question about African Gray Parrots as well. But all that is off topic.

What it means to read is that squiggly lines form sounds and sounds form words

and words have meaning and the brain has to be able to decode all of it in a

verbal/auditory fashion to be able to understand it. Symbols and they are all

arbitrary. Why is a B a B? Because we say so. Why does it make a particular

sound (which the linguists call a voiced bilabial)? Because we say so.

Its an amazing thing that anybody reads.

A year or so ago I did a fairly long research paper on handedness and it is very

strongly related to autoimmune disease and dyslexia. In fact there are a number

of famous people who are both. I would have to look them up I just remember

reading about it. At the time I was not very interested in dyslexia as a topic.

I do have results of a 1998 study using fMRI and dyslexic people which studied

their brain performance on five parameters of this stuff. If you are really

interested I can send it to you personally. The bottom line is that its only

been in the past century or so that being literate has become important. Before

that there were probably lots of dyslexic people who got along just fine. Now

this problem becomes something that makes the kids feel lazy or stupid or just

bad. A potentially brilliant person is shot down by second grade.

BTW some sources will tell you that the problem is a defect on chromosomes 6 and

15. That's based on a study at Yale in the '90's. Maybe sometimes but, for the

most part, I doubt it. Its most likely an environmental factor, albeit one that

happens before birth. Or those with the genetic predisposition are exposed to

the correct precipitating factor (here we go again right?) and then get the

problem. But for now, in spite of a lot of research, nobody knows for sure.

Hope I didn't bore you too much. Read. With him. Whole word reading. Every

chance you get. Take turns reading it. Tell him that he is VERY smart and has

a problem not unlike kids who need glasses. His is just harder to deal with.

He will be brave and know that he is smart. Try to find out where his pockets

of brilliance are and have him do that so that he feels good about himself.

Best of luck,

Laurel

dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

>This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I

am

>the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

>with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

> " difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

>

>DAWN ROSE

>

>

>_________________________________________________________________

>Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

I'm doing some of this from memory (which usually sucks) so bear with me if you

can. Dyslexic children are usually what the brain people describe as " normal

with pockets of brilliance. " Dyslexia is a wiring problem in the brain. It

occurs most often, if I remember this correctly, in the posterior parietal lobe

on the right side, some sources will also note something called Wernike's area

which is left side and near the left ear and has to do with making sense of

spoken words. So, dyslexics often compensate and/or are brilliant in other

areas of brain function. He may have great visual spatial stuff which is common

in lefties (lots of lefties are architects for example). And, remember, all of

this is not fixed. We are constantly re-wiring our brains based on experience.

Most of the population has wiring " more or less " in the same general areas,

unless, of course, you are a stroke victim, a head trauma patient, have autism,

are left handed, or dyslexic or any number of other things. In fact most there

is a cultural bias in some brain wiring. All this makes for diversity and

diversity is what makes life interesting.

In fact it seems that no two people are wired exactly the same way. But

language is very strongly left sided. This is why people with strokes who are

left handed may have a slightly greater chance of recovery following a stroke.

Your son may learn best by seeing and hearing. For anybody to be able to read

they have to learn that each squigly thing (a letter) has not only one sound but

several variations of that sound (vowels are killers). They then have to be

able to see those letters, get them from the eyes to the occipital lobe,

translate them to some understandable electrical impulse, send them to the

correct place to decode meaning (after stringing all the letters/ sounds

together) and then be able to hear them internally, which means that they have

heard them before. Then they have to make sense in context. Of course the

visual part has to be in high gear as well so that all those squiggly lines are

in order. Once all that has taken place it has to be associated with something

with which the individual has experience. In other words if you say, " The cat

is on the piano. " you have to understand " cat " , " piano " , the preposition " on " ,

and the act of being or being in existence. Not an easy task. This process is

out of whack with dyslexics so that the information is not co-ordinated.

Dyslexics tend to hear whole words better than phonetically broken down ones.

So the more words a kid has stored as whole words (not as phonetic sounds) the

better they can read.

Its been said that human beings are the only species that is symbolic. Some of

the great apes seem to have this ability but in a very limited sense. There is

some question about African Gray Parrots as well. But all that is off topic.

What it means to read is that squiggly lines form sounds and sounds form words

and words have meaning and the brain has to be able to decode all of it in a

verbal/auditory fashion to be able to understand it. Symbols and they are all

arbitrary. Why is a B a B? Because we say so. Why does it make a particular

sound (which the linguists call a voiced bilabial)? Because we say so.

Its an amazing thing that anybody reads.

A year or so ago I did a fairly long research paper on handedness and it is very

strongly related to autoimmune disease and dyslexia. In fact there are a number

of famous people who are both. I would have to look them up I just remember

reading about it. At the time I was not very interested in dyslexia as a topic.

I do have results of a 1998 study using fMRI and dyslexic people which studied

their brain performance on five parameters of this stuff. If you are really

interested I can send it to you personally. The bottom line is that its only

been in the past century or so that being literate has become important. Before

that there were probably lots of dyslexic people who got along just fine. Now

this problem becomes something that makes the kids feel lazy or stupid or just

bad. A potentially brilliant person is shot down by second grade.

BTW some sources will tell you that the problem is a defect on chromosomes 6 and

15. That's based on a study at Yale in the '90's. Maybe sometimes but, for the

most part, I doubt it. Its most likely an environmental factor, albeit one that

happens before birth. Or those with the genetic predisposition are exposed to

the correct precipitating factor (here we go again right?) and then get the

problem. But for now, in spite of a lot of research, nobody knows for sure.

Hope I didn't bore you too much. Read. With him. Whole word reading. Every

chance you get. Take turns reading it. Tell him that he is VERY smart and has

a problem not unlike kids who need glasses. His is just harder to deal with.

He will be brave and know that he is smart. Try to find out where his pockets

of brilliance are and have him do that so that he feels good about himself.

Best of luck,

Laurel

dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

>This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I

am

>the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

>with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

> " difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

>

>DAWN ROSE

>

>

>_________________________________________________________________

>Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

>

>

>

>-------------------------------------

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intended to replace expert medical care.

>Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

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>

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[Guest guest]

,

I'm doing some of this from memory (which usually sucks) so bear with me if you

can. Dyslexic children are usually what the brain people describe as " normal

with pockets of brilliance. " Dyslexia is a wiring problem in the brain. It

occurs most often, if I remember this correctly, in the posterior parietal lobe

on the right side, some sources will also note something called Wernike's area

which is left side and near the left ear and has to do with making sense of

spoken words. So, dyslexics often compensate and/or are brilliant in other

areas of brain function. He may have great visual spatial stuff which is common

in lefties (lots of lefties are architects for example). And, remember, all of

this is not fixed. We are constantly re-wiring our brains based on experience.

Most of the population has wiring " more or less " in the same general areas,

unless, of course, you are a stroke victim, a head trauma patient, have autism,

are left handed, or dyslexic or any number of other things. In fact most there

is a cultural bias in some brain wiring. All this makes for diversity and

diversity is what makes life interesting.

In fact it seems that no two people are wired exactly the same way. But

language is very strongly left sided. This is why people with strokes who are

left handed may have a slightly greater chance of recovery following a stroke.

Your son may learn best by seeing and hearing. For anybody to be able to read

they have to learn that each squigly thing (a letter) has not only one sound but

several variations of that sound (vowels are killers). They then have to be

able to see those letters, get them from the eyes to the occipital lobe,

translate them to some understandable electrical impulse, send them to the

correct place to decode meaning (after stringing all the letters/ sounds

together) and then be able to hear them internally, which means that they have

heard them before. Then they have to make sense in context. Of course the

visual part has to be in high gear as well so that all those squiggly lines are

in order. Once all that has taken place it has to be associated with something

with which the individual has experience. In other words if you say, " The cat

is on the piano. " you have to understand " cat " , " piano " , the preposition " on " ,

and the act of being or being in existence. Not an easy task. This process is

out of whack with dyslexics so that the information is not co-ordinated.

Dyslexics tend to hear whole words better than phonetically broken down ones.

So the more words a kid has stored as whole words (not as phonetic sounds) the

better they can read.

Its been said that human beings are the only species that is symbolic. Some of

the great apes seem to have this ability but in a very limited sense. There is

some question about African Gray Parrots as well. But all that is off topic.

What it means to read is that squiggly lines form sounds and sounds form words

and words have meaning and the brain has to be able to decode all of it in a

verbal/auditory fashion to be able to understand it. Symbols and they are all

arbitrary. Why is a B a B? Because we say so. Why does it make a particular

sound (which the linguists call a voiced bilabial)? Because we say so.

Its an amazing thing that anybody reads.

A year or so ago I did a fairly long research paper on handedness and it is very

strongly related to autoimmune disease and dyslexia. In fact there are a number

of famous people who are both. I would have to look them up I just remember

reading about it. At the time I was not very interested in dyslexia as a topic.

I do have results of a 1998 study using fMRI and dyslexic people which studied

their brain performance on five parameters of this stuff. If you are really

interested I can send it to you personally. The bottom line is that its only

been in the past century or so that being literate has become important. Before

that there were probably lots of dyslexic people who got along just fine. Now

this problem becomes something that makes the kids feel lazy or stupid or just

bad. A potentially brilliant person is shot down by second grade.

BTW some sources will tell you that the problem is a defect on chromosomes 6 and

15. That's based on a study at Yale in the '90's. Maybe sometimes but, for the

most part, I doubt it. Its most likely an environmental factor, albeit one that

happens before birth. Or those with the genetic predisposition are exposed to

the correct precipitating factor (here we go again right?) and then get the

problem. But for now, in spite of a lot of research, nobody knows for sure.

Hope I didn't bore you too much. Read. With him. Whole word reading. Every

chance you get. Take turns reading it. Tell him that he is VERY smart and has

a problem not unlike kids who need glasses. His is just harder to deal with.

He will be brave and know that he is smart. Try to find out where his pockets

of brilliance are and have him do that so that he feels good about himself.

Best of luck,

Laurel

dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

>This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I

am

>the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

>with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

> " difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

>

>DAWN ROSE

>

>

>_________________________________________________________________

>Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

>

>

>

>-------------------------------------

>The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

intended to replace expert medical care.

>Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

>----------------------------------------

> DISCLAIMER

>

>Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the

endorsement of

>the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

>---------------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

The lefty paper is a bunch of pages. And, since I lost my whole hard drive last

December I only have it on hard copy. If your email will handle something that

large I'd be delighted to send it to you. Or, if you want to send me your

address privately I'll copy the thing and snail mail it.

The study is Shaywitz et.al. 1998. Using fMRI to obtain images of the brains of

dyslexic subjects as they performed various tasks associated with reading. (I'm

plagerizing like crazy here from a text entitled The Cognitive Sciences by

Carolyn P. Sorbel pp140-2)

.....the indefinitely numerous words in any language are constructed of a small

number of phonological segments or phonemes (the individual sound that makes a

difference to meaning). Reading requires the association of a set of symbols,

an alphabet, with these phonemes. It is the awareness of speakers that all

words can be broken down into these segments that allows most of us to make

these associations and thus to read. Contributing to the rationale of the study

in question are earlier studies that indicate that this awarness is missing in

dyslexic individuals. An effective means of testing for dyslexia has been the

task of reading nonsense words that are phonologically possible words in the

language of the speaker. (A phonologically possible word makes the use of

combinations of sounds permitted in the language, such as st or pl which occur

in the meaningful words in store and plank. The meaningless words strank and

plore, which also uses these combinations, are thus phonologically legal)

Because such words are possible--though not actual-- words they are read with

ease by most people. But someone who has difficulty decomposing words into

phonological segments will have difficulty reading them. Such an individual may

well be dyslexic.

At any rate.................

The study was aiming to develop a set of hierarchically structured tasks that

control the kind of language-relevant coding required, including especially the

demand on phonologic analysis, and then to compare the performance of brain

activation (as measured by functional MRI of dyslexic and non-impaired readers.

There was a series of judgment tasks that made demands on a set of functions in

reading.

1. line orientation " Do [\\\/] and [\\\/] match? " (visual spatial but no

spelling)

2. Letter case " Do [bbBb] and [bBbb] match in both letter and upper and lower

case?

(spelling processing demand but not phonological because the string consists

only of consonants)

3. Judgments about rhyme " do the letters T and V rhyme? (phonological

processing because it requires that subjects encode the letters, which are the

elements of spelling, into phonological structures that code the letters, which

are the elements of spelling into phonological structures that must then be

analyzed to determine whether or not they rhyme)

4. Present subjects with non-words and require that they decide whether these

rhyme " Do leat and jete rhyme? " (These are more complex structures to analyze

than single letters or phonemes.

5. Requires the subjects to make judgments about the semantic category of

words. " Are corn and rice in the same category? " This sort of judgment

requires moving from the printed word to the word as a phonological and semantic

entity. It thus requires activation of the representations of the reader's

mental store of words and their meanings.

The analysis of the five tasks showed that the reading performance of the

dyslexic subjects was significantly impaired, most strikingly in the nonword

rjyming task. This task is considered by the researchers to provide the

clearest indication of decoding ability (or inability), because no one would be

familiar with the letter patterns. Thus they could not influence anyone's

response.

As the participants (29 dyslexic readers and 32 non-impaired controls) performed

these tasks, fMRI images were obtained, focusing on seveal brain regions that

earlier studies had indicated were involved in reading and language. A

posterior cortical system adapted for reading including, among other regions,

Wernicke's area (left posterior lobe area near the ear) had been hypothesized:

the fMRI images obtained in this study supported the hypothesis. At the sites

involved, the non-impaired subjects showed demands on the spelling and

phonological components of reading. The dyslexic subject, however, showed no

such systemic changes in activation as the task demands increased.

....for non-impaired readers, the data provide functional evidence of a widely

distributed computational system for reading. Within the system, activation

varies from region to region depending on the task. for dyslexic readers, the

data indication 'a functional disruption in an extensive system in posterior

cortex encompassing both traditional language regions and a portion of

association cortex.' This last (the association cortex) is considered essential

to the more complex integrations required by reading. for example, converting

what is perceived as print into the phonologic structures of the language.

Whew! Got that? (This stuff is what I majored in and I love it but other

people may find it confusing. I know most of the people on this list are used

to this kind of jargon so I'm not going to mess with it much.)

Hope it helps.

Laurel

Re: dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

Laurel,

This is very interesting what you wrote. And yes, you are right with the

pockets of brilliance. When my daughter was having trouble in school with

reading and spelling, she was a straight A student in health, science,

social studies, music (she listens to a song once and can sing it). In

school she had two teachers, one was an SLD teacher. They read her tests to

her and she could get the grades she did by listening so well. What she

reads or hears she doesn't forget it.

Some famous people that had dyslexia and were homeschooled:

Graham Bell

Edison

Albert Einstein

Patton

Washington

Winston Churchill

Websites: http://www.dyslexia.com/qufame.htm

http://www.christianhomeschoolers.com/hs/famous.shtm/

I was very surprised in what I found and read about when I first started

homeschooling.

The year they tested my daughter they were checking 125 students in her

school district that year. The same school district that has all the

chemical plants. My husband and I thought this was a high rate of children

to be testing and the school did also. As we all know chemical plants do

have releases.

Laurel, is it possible for me to get a copy of the paper you did on the

handedness and the copy of the 1998 studied you have. I am very much

interested in these. If not that is alright.

Debbie R.

-------------------------------------

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to replace expert medical care.

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----------------------------------------

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Debbie,

The lefty paper is a bunch of pages. And, since I lost my whole hard drive last

December I only have it on hard copy. If your email will handle something that

large I'd be delighted to send it to you. Or, if you want to send me your

address privately I'll copy the thing and snail mail it.

The study is Shaywitz et.al. 1998. Using fMRI to obtain images of the brains of

dyslexic subjects as they performed various tasks associated with reading. (I'm

plagerizing like crazy here from a text entitled The Cognitive Sciences by

Carolyn P. Sorbel pp140-2)

.....the indefinitely numerous words in any language are constructed of a small

number of phonological segments or phonemes (the individual sound that makes a

difference to meaning). Reading requires the association of a set of symbols,

an alphabet, with these phonemes. It is the awareness of speakers that all

words can be broken down into these segments that allows most of us to make

these associations and thus to read. Contributing to the rationale of the study

in question are earlier studies that indicate that this awarness is missing in

dyslexic individuals. An effective means of testing for dyslexia has been the

task of reading nonsense words that are phonologically possible words in the

language of the speaker. (A phonologically possible word makes the use of

combinations of sounds permitted in the language, such as st or pl which occur

in the meaningful words in store and plank. The meaningless words strank and

plore, which also uses these combinations, are thus phonologically legal)

Because such words are possible--though not actual-- words they are read with

ease by most people. But someone who has difficulty decomposing words into

phonological segments will have difficulty reading them. Such an individual may

well be dyslexic.

At any rate.................

The study was aiming to develop a set of hierarchically structured tasks that

control the kind of language-relevant coding required, including especially the

demand on phonologic analysis, and then to compare the performance of brain

activation (as measured by functional MRI of dyslexic and non-impaired readers.

There was a series of judgment tasks that made demands on a set of functions in

reading.

1. line orientation " Do [\\\/] and [\\\/] match? " (visual spatial but no

spelling)

2. Letter case " Do [bbBb] and [bBbb] match in both letter and upper and lower

case?

(spelling processing demand but not phonological because the string consists

only of consonants)

3. Judgments about rhyme " do the letters T and V rhyme? (phonological

processing because it requires that subjects encode the letters, which are the

elements of spelling, into phonological structures that code the letters, which

are the elements of spelling into phonological structures that must then be

analyzed to determine whether or not they rhyme)

4. Present subjects with non-words and require that they decide whether these

rhyme " Do leat and jete rhyme? " (These are more complex structures to analyze

than single letters or phonemes.

5. Requires the subjects to make judgments about the semantic category of

words. " Are corn and rice in the same category? " This sort of judgment

requires moving from the printed word to the word as a phonological and semantic

entity. It thus requires activation of the representations of the reader's

mental store of words and their meanings.

The analysis of the five tasks showed that the reading performance of the

dyslexic subjects was significantly impaired, most strikingly in the nonword

rjyming task. This task is considered by the researchers to provide the

clearest indication of decoding ability (or inability), because no one would be

familiar with the letter patterns. Thus they could not influence anyone's

response.

As the participants (29 dyslexic readers and 32 non-impaired controls) performed

these tasks, fMRI images were obtained, focusing on seveal brain regions that

earlier studies had indicated were involved in reading and language. A

posterior cortical system adapted for reading including, among other regions,

Wernicke's area (left posterior lobe area near the ear) had been hypothesized:

the fMRI images obtained in this study supported the hypothesis. At the sites

involved, the non-impaired subjects showed demands on the spelling and

phonological components of reading. The dyslexic subject, however, showed no

such systemic changes in activation as the task demands increased.

....for non-impaired readers, the data provide functional evidence of a widely

distributed computational system for reading. Within the system, activation

varies from region to region depending on the task. for dyslexic readers, the

data indication 'a functional disruption in an extensive system in posterior

cortex encompassing both traditional language regions and a portion of

association cortex.' This last (the association cortex) is considered essential

to the more complex integrations required by reading. for example, converting

what is perceived as print into the phonologic structures of the language.

Whew! Got that? (This stuff is what I majored in and I love it but other

people may find it confusing. I know most of the people on this list are used

to this kind of jargon so I'm not going to mess with it much.)

Hope it helps.

Laurel

Re: dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

Laurel,

This is very interesting what you wrote. And yes, you are right with the

pockets of brilliance. When my daughter was having trouble in school with

reading and spelling, she was a straight A student in health, science,

social studies, music (she listens to a song once and can sing it). In

school she had two teachers, one was an SLD teacher. They read her tests to

her and she could get the grades she did by listening so well. What she

reads or hears she doesn't forget it.

Some famous people that had dyslexia and were homeschooled:

Graham Bell

Edison

Albert Einstein

Patton

Washington

Winston Churchill

Websites: http://www.dyslexia.com/qufame.htm

http://www.christianhomeschoolers.com/hs/famous.shtm/

I was very surprised in what I found and read about when I first started

homeschooling.

The year they tested my daughter they were checking 125 students in her

school district that year. The same school district that has all the

chemical plants. My husband and I thought this was a high rate of children

to be testing and the school did also. As we all know chemical plants do

have releases.

Laurel, is it possible for me to get a copy of the paper you did on the

handedness and the copy of the 1998 studied you have. I am very much

interested in these. If not that is alright.

Debbie R.

-------------------------------------

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to replace expert medical care.

Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

----------------------------------------

DISCLAIMER

Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the endorsement of

the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

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[Guest guest]

Way to go Terry!

They tried to medicate my daughter as well. They also suggested that I put her

in preschool to " give myself a break. " I'm so glad I didn't do either. She is

a warm, funny, eccentric, 24 year old with no recognizable problems that I'm

aware of except maybe a bit of a bipolar personality. We easily forget that the

doctors don't really know (where have we heard this before?) what is really

happening with these kids. They also seem to want to make the kids uniform.

The cognitive people keep repeating, like a mantra, " There are ALWAYS individual

differences. " She was in " speech therapy " because she refused to make the " th "

sound. Didn't have either one of them. (th as in thistle and th as in this)

BTW it is rumored that Albert Einstein had larger than normal parietal lobes in

his brain and was just AWFUL with interpersonal relationships. Different is

good. Different makes us who we are. If we wipe out differences the human race

might as well be cloned and it will be a whole lot less likely that creativity

will happen. No new insights from little automatons.

Laurel

dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

>

>>

>> This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I

> am

>> the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

>> with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

>> " difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

>>

>> DAWN ROSE

>>

>>

>> _________________________________________________________________

>> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

>>

>>

>>

>> -------------------------------------

>> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

>> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

>> ----------------------------------------

>> DISCLAIMER

>>

>> Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the

> endorsement of

>> the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

> -----------

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Way to go Terry!

They tried to medicate my daughter as well. They also suggested that I put her

in preschool to " give myself a break. " I'm so glad I didn't do either. She is

a warm, funny, eccentric, 24 year old with no recognizable problems that I'm

aware of except maybe a bit of a bipolar personality. We easily forget that the

doctors don't really know (where have we heard this before?) what is really

happening with these kids. They also seem to want to make the kids uniform.

The cognitive people keep repeating, like a mantra, " There are ALWAYS individual

differences. " She was in " speech therapy " because she refused to make the " th "

sound. Didn't have either one of them. (th as in thistle and th as in this)

BTW it is rumored that Albert Einstein had larger than normal parietal lobes in

his brain and was just AWFUL with interpersonal relationships. Different is

good. Different makes us who we are. If we wipe out differences the human race

might as well be cloned and it will be a whole lot less likely that creativity

will happen. No new insights from little automatons.

Laurel

dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

>

>>

>> This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I

> am

>> the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

>> with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

>> " difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

>>

>> DAWN ROSE

>>

>>

>> _________________________________________________________________

>> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

>>

>>

>>

>> -------------------------------------

>> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

>> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

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AMEN!

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:28:32 -0400

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: Re: dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

> Way to go Terry!

>

> They tried to medicate my daughter as well. They also suggested that I put

> her in preschool to " give myself a break. " I'm so glad I didn't do either.

> She is a warm, funny, eccentric, 24 year old with no recognizable problems

> that I'm aware of except maybe a bit of a bipolar personality. We easily

> forget that the doctors don't really know (where have we heard this before?)

> what is really happening with these kids. They also seem to want to make the

> kids uniform. The cognitive people keep repeating, like a mantra, " There are

> ALWAYS individual differences. " She was in " speech therapy " because she

> refused to make the " th " sound. Didn't have either one of them. (th as in

> thistle and th as in this)

>

> BTW it is rumored that Albert Einstein had larger than normal parietal lobes

> in his brain and was just AWFUL with interpersonal relationships. Different

> is good. Different makes us who we are. If we wipe out differences the human

> race might as well be cloned and it will be a whole lot less likely that

> creativity will happen. No new insights from little automatons.

> Laurel

>

> dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>>

>>

>>>

>>> This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I

>> am

>>> the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

>>> with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

>>> " difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

>>>

>>> DAWN ROSE

>>>

>>>

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AMEN!

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:28:32 -0400

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: Re: dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>

> Way to go Terry!

>

> They tried to medicate my daughter as well. They also suggested that I put

> her in preschool to " give myself a break. " I'm so glad I didn't do either.

> She is a warm, funny, eccentric, 24 year old with no recognizable problems

> that I'm aware of except maybe a bit of a bipolar personality. We easily

> forget that the doctors don't really know (where have we heard this before?)

> what is really happening with these kids. They also seem to want to make the

> kids uniform. The cognitive people keep repeating, like a mantra, " There are

> ALWAYS individual differences. " She was in " speech therapy " because she

> refused to make the " th " sound. Didn't have either one of them. (th as in

> thistle and th as in this)

>

> BTW it is rumored that Albert Einstein had larger than normal parietal lobes

> in his brain and was just AWFUL with interpersonal relationships. Different

> is good. Different makes us who we are. If we wipe out differences the human

> race might as well be cloned and it will be a whole lot less likely that

> creativity will happen. No new insights from little automatons.

> Laurel

>

> dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>>

>>

>>>

>>> This is true of our family - my Dad and my brother are dyslexic, so far I

>> am

>>> the only gal diagnosed with Graves' disease, though there are some Aunts

>>> with suspicious symptoms who were written off as

>>> " difficult/depressed/'orrible, back in the family tree.

>>>

>>> DAWN ROSE

>>>

>>>

>>> _________________________________________________________________

>>> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

>>>

>>>

>>>

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>> intended to replace expert medical care.

>>> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

>>> ----------------------------------------

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>>>

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Dear ,

That was a great link to the dyslexia page.

Adding to what has been said here already - my brother was not diagnosed

dyslexic until he was fifteen, it was such a relief for him when he finally

had an explaination for why he struggled so much with reading. He is very

bright, always was great at maths, but a slow reader. He was up in the

mensa category when they tested his IQ, but had been thought of as thick and

had thought of himself as not very bright in academic terms I think. The

emotional aspect of getting a diagnosis for the person themselves, is

important I think.

This is the thing that stuck with me most when he got his diagnosis - the

great big smile across his face!

The bits and pieces I know about dyslexia and dyslexic people are:

There is more than one kind of dyslexia;

My dad, brother (and now my niece too) all have it so there does seem to be

a genetic link.

The classic look for dyslexia , that my brother was always doing is writing

mirror images of certain letters for instance: getting your ps and your bs

mixed up with ds and qs. Writing was hard for him in his early years.

By the way - he is a very successful man now and reads voraciously for

entertainment. He loves computers, and I believe that kids with dyslexia

benefit from working with computers a great deal.

Good luck finding out about this stuff.

If your son is dyslexic, I bet that even at 7 years old is aware that he is

" different " . I am three years younger than my brother and when I was

learning to read at home at 4, he was struggling with his reading and I

would (naturally enough) be very pleased with myself that I could do what my

big brother could do ... but of course it must have been humiliating for

him!

Take care

DAWN ROSE

>

>Reply-To: graves_support

>To: <graves_support >

>Subject: Re: dyslexic boys and autoimmune girls?

>Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 17:16:16 -0700

>

>Laurel,

>

>This is very interesting what you wrote. And yes, you are right with the

>pockets of brilliance. When my daughter was having trouble in school with

>reading and spelling, she was a straight A student in health, science,

>social studies, music (she listens to a song once and can sing it). In

>school she had two teachers, one was an SLD teacher. They read her tests

>to

>her and she could get the grades she did by listening so well. What she

>reads or hears she doesn't forget it.

>

>

>Some famous people that had dyslexia and were homeschooled:

>

> Graham Bell

> Edison

>Albert Einstein

> Patton

> Washington

>Winston Churchill

>

>Websites: http://www.dyslexia.com/qufame.htm

> http://www.christianhomeschoolers.com/hs/famous.shtm/

>

>I was very surprised in what I found and read about when I first started

>homeschooling.

>

>The year they tested my daughter they were checking 125 students in her

>school district that year. The same school district that has all the

>chemical plants. My husband and I thought this was a high rate of children

>to be testing and the school did also. As we all know chemical plants do

>have releases.

>

>Laurel, is it possible for me to get a copy of the paper you did on the

>handedness and the copy of the 1998 studied you have. I am very much

>interested in these. If not that is alright.

>

>Debbie R.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Laurel,

This is very interesting what you wrote. And yes, you are right with the

pockets of brilliance. When my daughter was having trouble in school with

reading and spelling, she was a straight A student in health, science,

social studies, music (she listens to a song once and can sing it). In

school she had two teachers, one was an SLD teacher. They read her tests to

her and she could get the grades she did by listening so well. What she

reads or hears she doesn't forget it.

Some famous people that had dyslexia and were homeschooled:

Graham Bell

Edison

Albert Einstein

Patton

Washington

Winston Churchill

Websites: http://www.dyslexia.com/qufame.htm

http://www.christianhomeschoolers.com/hs/famous.shtm/

I was very surprised in what I found and read about when I first started

homeschooling.

The year they tested my daughter they were checking 125 students in her

school district that year. The same school district that has all the

chemical plants. My husband and I thought this was a high rate of children

to be testing and the school did also. As we all know chemical plants do

have releases.

Laurel, is it possible for me to get a copy of the paper you did on the

handedness and the copy of the 1998 studied you have. I am very much

interested in these. If not that is alright.

Debbie R.

[Guest guest]

Laurel,

This is very interesting what you wrote. And yes, you are right with the

pockets of brilliance. When my daughter was having trouble in school with

reading and spelling, she was a straight A student in health, science,

social studies, music (she listens to a song once and can sing it). In

school she had two teachers, one was an SLD teacher. They read her tests to

her and she could get the grades she did by listening so well. What she

reads or hears she doesn't forget it.

Some famous people that had dyslexia and were homeschooled:

Graham Bell

Edison

Albert Einstein

Patton

Washington

Winston Churchill

Websites: http://www.dyslexia.com/qufame.htm

http://www.christianhomeschoolers.com/hs/famous.shtm/

I was very surprised in what I found and read about when I first started

homeschooling.

The year they tested my daughter they were checking 125 students in her

school district that year. The same school district that has all the

chemical plants. My husband and I thought this was a high rate of children

to be testing and the school did also. As we all know chemical plants do

have releases.

Laurel, is it possible for me to get a copy of the paper you did on the

handedness and the copy of the 1998 studied you have. I am very much

interested in these. If not that is alright.

Debbie R.

[Guest guest]

Laurel,

This is very interesting what you wrote. And yes, you are right with the

pockets of brilliance. When my daughter was having trouble in school with

reading and spelling, she was a straight A student in health, science,

social studies, music (she listens to a song once and can sing it). In

school she had two teachers, one was an SLD teacher. They read her tests to

her and she could get the grades she did by listening so well. What she

reads or hears she doesn't forget it.

Some famous people that had dyslexia and were homeschooled:

Graham Bell

Edison

Albert Einstein

Patton

Washington

Winston Churchill

Websites: http://www.dyslexia.com/qufame.htm

http://www.christianhomeschoolers.com/hs/famous.shtm/

I was very surprised in what I found and read about when I first started

homeschooling.

The year they tested my daughter they were checking 125 students in her

school district that year. The same school district that has all the

chemical plants. My husband and I thought this was a high rate of children

to be testing and the school did also. As we all know chemical plants do

have releases.

Laurel, is it possible for me to get a copy of the paper you did on the

handedness and the copy of the 1998 studied you have. I am very much

interested in these. If not that is alright.

Debbie R.