Re: Sad Day in Ems

[Guest guest]

Point taken.And you are right on target.

--- " Bledsoe, DO "

wrote:

> Tarrant County has more municipalities than any

> other community in Texas.

> Getting the 37-40 entities together (especially Fort

> Worth and Arlington)

> will never happen (I was once involved in such an

> endeavor). Why should

> Richland Hills, North Richland Hills, Bedford,

> Saginaw, Eagle Mountain,

> Benbrook, and similar cities give up their autonomy

> to the AMAA when it

> covers the poor performance, staffing shortages,

> morale issues at MedStar? A

> county-wide service here would be great--but the PUM

> must be first

> dismantled. Most likely, Rural Metro will be kept

> through the current

> contract and ETEMS (Paramedics Plus) will get the

> contract. At least they

> have a better track record at EMSA, Waco and

> Pinellas County. EMS will never

> be a priority in Fort Worth. And for the FWFD, there

> was a recent call for a

> vote of non-confidence in the new Fire Chief.

>

> BEB

>

> Re: Re: Sad Day in Ems

>

>

> F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well

> known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and

> the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it

> was

> designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it

> with a lot of safeguards and more hands on

> management.

> But that point[management] would be like pulling

> teeth

> from a

> rabid dog. You will get bitten.

> --- Mike wrote:

>

> > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the

> types

> > of managers that

> > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS

> > generally uses people

> > as managers who have little, if any, true

> > supervisory or business

> > training, we get what we ask for.

> >

> > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to

> > think that EMS

> > should make money for any governmental entity is

> > absurd. Our streets

> > departments don't make money - our school systems

> > don't make money -

> > our police departments don't make money... but

> > without them, a city

> > would be unable to attract the businesses and

> > residents necessary to

> > generate revenues and make money as a whole.

> >

> > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run

> > in-the-red so that

> > other parts of the fiscal system of government can

> > attract the

> > resources they need to generate true revenue.

> >

> > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be

> > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS.

> >

> > Just my $.02.

> >

> > Mike

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Point taken.And you are right on target.

--- " Bledsoe, DO "

wrote:

> Tarrant County has more municipalities than any

> other community in Texas.

> Getting the 37-40 entities together (especially Fort

> Worth and Arlington)

> will never happen (I was once involved in such an

> endeavor). Why should

> Richland Hills, North Richland Hills, Bedford,

> Saginaw, Eagle Mountain,

> Benbrook, and similar cities give up their autonomy

> to the AMAA when it

> covers the poor performance, staffing shortages,

> morale issues at MedStar? A

> county-wide service here would be great--but the PUM

> must be first

> dismantled. Most likely, Rural Metro will be kept

> through the current

> contract and ETEMS (Paramedics Plus) will get the

> contract. At least they

> have a better track record at EMSA, Waco and

> Pinellas County. EMS will never

> be a priority in Fort Worth. And for the FWFD, there

> was a recent call for a

> vote of non-confidence in the new Fire Chief.

>

> BEB

>

> Re: Re: Sad Day in Ems

>

>

> F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well

> known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and

> the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it

> was

> designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it

> with a lot of safeguards and more hands on

> management.

> But that point[management] would be like pulling

> teeth

> from a

> rabid dog. You will get bitten.

> --- Mike wrote:

>

> > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the

> types

> > of managers that

> > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS

> > generally uses people

> > as managers who have little, if any, true

> > supervisory or business

> > training, we get what we ask for.

> >

> > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to

> > think that EMS

> > should make money for any governmental entity is

> > absurd. Our streets

> > departments don't make money - our school systems

> > don't make money -

> > our police departments don't make money... but

> > without them, a city

> > would be unable to attract the businesses and

> > residents necessary to

> > generate revenues and make money as a whole.

> >

> > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run

> > in-the-red so that

> > other parts of the fiscal system of government can

> > attract the

> > resources they need to generate true revenue.

> >

> > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be

> > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS.

> >

> > Just my $.02.

> >

> > Mike

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Remember s ?

--- " Bledsoe, DO "

wrote:

> Tarrant County has more municipalities than any

> other community in Texas.

> Getting the 37-40 entities together (especially Fort

> Worth and Arlington)

> will never happen (I was once involved in such an

> endeavor). Why should

> Richland Hills, North Richland Hills, Bedford,

> Saginaw, Eagle Mountain,

> Benbrook, and similar cities give up their autonomy

> to the AMAA when it

> covers the poor performance, staffing shortages,

> morale issues at MedStar? A

> county-wide service here would be great--but the PUM

> must be first

> dismantled. Most likely, Rural Metro will be kept

> through the current

> contract and ETEMS (Paramedics Plus) will get the

> contract. At least they

> have a better track record at EMSA, Waco and

> Pinellas County. EMS will never

> be a priority in Fort Worth. And for the FWFD, there

> was a recent call for a

> vote of non-confidence in the new Fire Chief.

>

> BEB

>

> Re: Re: Sad Day in Ems

>

>

> F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well

> known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and

> the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it

> was

> designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it

> with a lot of safeguards and more hands on

> management.

> But that point[management] would be like pulling

> teeth

> from a

> rabid dog. You will get bitten.

> --- Mike wrote:

>

> > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the

> types

> > of managers that

> > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS

> > generally uses people

> > as managers who have little, if any, true

> > supervisory or business

> > training, we get what we ask for.

> >

> > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to

> > think that EMS

> > should make money for any governmental entity is

> > absurd. Our streets

> > departments don't make money - our school systems

> > don't make money -

> > our police departments don't make money... but

> > without them, a city

> > would be unable to attract the businesses and

> > residents necessary to

> > generate revenues and make money as a whole.

> >

> > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run

> > in-the-red so that

> > other parts of the fiscal system of government can

> > attract the

> > resources they need to generate true revenue.

> >

> > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be

> > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS.

> >

> > Just my $.02.

> >

> > Mike

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Remember s ?

--- " Bledsoe, DO "

wrote:

> Tarrant County has more municipalities than any

> other community in Texas.

> Getting the 37-40 entities together (especially Fort

> Worth and Arlington)

> will never happen (I was once involved in such an

> endeavor). Why should

> Richland Hills, North Richland Hills, Bedford,

> Saginaw, Eagle Mountain,

> Benbrook, and similar cities give up their autonomy

> to the AMAA when it

> covers the poor performance, staffing shortages,

> morale issues at MedStar? A

> county-wide service here would be great--but the PUM

> must be first

> dismantled. Most likely, Rural Metro will be kept

> through the current

> contract and ETEMS (Paramedics Plus) will get the

> contract. At least they

> have a better track record at EMSA, Waco and

> Pinellas County. EMS will never

> be a priority in Fort Worth. And for the FWFD, there

> was a recent call for a

> vote of non-confidence in the new Fire Chief.

>

> BEB

>

> Re: Re: Sad Day in Ems

>

>

> F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well

> known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and

> the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it

> was

> designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it

> with a lot of safeguards and more hands on

> management.

> But that point[management] would be like pulling

> teeth

> from a

> rabid dog. You will get bitten.

> --- Mike wrote:

>

> > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the

> types

> > of managers that

> > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS

> > generally uses people

> > as managers who have little, if any, true

> > supervisory or business

> > training, we get what we ask for.

> >

> > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to

> > think that EMS

> > should make money for any governmental entity is

> > absurd. Our streets

> > departments don't make money - our school systems

> > don't make money -

> > our police departments don't make money... but

> > without them, a city

> > would be unable to attract the businesses and

> > residents necessary to

> > generate revenues and make money as a whole.

> >

> > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run

> > in-the-red so that

> > other parts of the fiscal system of government can

> > attract the

> > resources they need to generate true revenue.

> >

> > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be

> > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS.

> >

> > Just my $.02.

> >

> > Mike

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Remember s ?

--- " Bledsoe, DO "

wrote:

> Tarrant County has more municipalities than any

> other community in Texas.

> Getting the 37-40 entities together (especially Fort

> Worth and Arlington)

> will never happen (I was once involved in such an

> endeavor). Why should

> Richland Hills, North Richland Hills, Bedford,

> Saginaw, Eagle Mountain,

> Benbrook, and similar cities give up their autonomy

> to the AMAA when it

> covers the poor performance, staffing shortages,

> morale issues at MedStar? A

> county-wide service here would be great--but the PUM

> must be first

> dismantled. Most likely, Rural Metro will be kept

> through the current

> contract and ETEMS (Paramedics Plus) will get the

> contract. At least they

> have a better track record at EMSA, Waco and

> Pinellas County. EMS will never

> be a priority in Fort Worth. And for the FWFD, there

> was a recent call for a

> vote of non-confidence in the new Fire Chief.

>

> BEB

>

> Re: Re: Sad Day in Ems

>

>

> F.D. does not want that albatross. That is a well

> known fact.I think that Tarrant County ESD 1 and

> the AMAA need to merge and use Med Star the way it

> was

> designed,as a County-wide EMS System.But do it

> with a lot of safeguards and more hands on

> management.

> But that point[management] would be like pulling

> teeth

> from a

> rabid dog. You will get bitten.

> --- Mike wrote:

>

> > Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the

> types

> > of managers that

> > proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS

> > generally uses people

> > as managers who have little, if any, true

> > supervisory or business

> > training, we get what we ask for.

> >

> > No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to

> > think that EMS

> > should make money for any governmental entity is

> > absurd. Our streets

> > departments don't make money - our school systems

> > don't make money -

> > our police departments don't make money... but

> > without them, a city

> > would be unable to attract the businesses and

> > residents necessary to

> > generate revenues and make money as a whole.

> >

> > EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run

> > in-the-red so that

> > other parts of the fiscal system of government can

> > attract the

> > resources they need to generate true revenue.

> >

> > Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be

> > best-served by FWFD taking over EMS.

> >

> > Just my $.02.

> >

> > Mike

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

A different set of the exact same problems eventually. You are 100% correct.

Public service for fun and profit is a bad idea....every time. Seving the

stockholders is not what public service is about.

magnetass sends

Re: Re: Sad Day in Ems

>

> if medstar did pull out of tarrant county and someone else moved in, then

> like every other turnover, wouldn't the same employees still work there?

> if that were to happen,what would be the use of the turnover?

>

>

[Guest guest]

A different set of the exact same problems eventually. You are 100% correct.

Public service for fun and profit is a bad idea....every time. Seving the

stockholders is not what public service is about.

magnetass sends

Re: Re: Sad Day in Ems

>

> if medstar did pull out of tarrant county and someone else moved in, then

> like every other turnover, wouldn't the same employees still work there?

> if that were to happen,what would be the use of the turnover?

>

>

[Guest guest]

A different set of the exact same problems eventually. You are 100% correct.

Public service for fun and profit is a bad idea....every time. Seving the

stockholders is not what public service is about.

magnetass sends

Re: Re: Sad Day in Ems

>

> if medstar did pull out of tarrant county and someone else moved in, then

> like every other turnover, wouldn't the same employees still work there?

> if that were to happen,what would be the use of the turnover?

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the types of managers that

proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS generally uses people

as managers who have little, if any, true supervisory or business

training, we get what we ask for. "

Truer words were never spoken.

High turnover and chronic manpower shortage is perhaps the BEST indication

of a inadequate mangement situation.

I have been roasted many a time for saying this, but it continues to be

true. Private ambulance companies have NO BUSINESS in 911. I don't think

their medics are inferior, I think their entire approach is off base. It

breeds idiocy like SSM and UHU rates. Any time you keep track of how many

hours an ambulance is in use, you are already have misplaced your

priorities. I have heard from multiple " managers " in private based systems

who swear that I am being unfair, and that they are dedicated to NOTHING

except quality patient care. My response is always the same. If you are in

charge of a " for profit " enterprise, and your first priority isn't

generating profits....you need to be replaced. That's the entire crux of the

issue. If you aren't concerned with generating profits, then you can focus

on things like employee retention and patient care. If you are there to

manage a money generating outfit, then making money HAS to be your first

concern. It just has to.

magnetass sends

Re: Re: Sad Day in Ems

>

> Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the types of managers that

> proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS generally uses people

> as managers who have little, if any, true supervisory or business

> training, we get what we ask for.

>

> No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to think that EMS

> should make money for any governmental entity is absurd. Our streets

> departments don't make money - our school systems don't make money -

> our police departments don't make money... but without them, a city

> would be unable to attract the businesses and residents necessary to

> generate revenues and make money as a whole.

>

> EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run in-the-red so that

> other parts of the fiscal system of government can attract the

> resources they need to generate true revenue.

>

> Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be best-served by FWFD taking over

> EMS.

>

> Just my $.02.

>

> Mike

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the types of managers that

proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS generally uses people

as managers who have little, if any, true supervisory or business

training, we get what we ask for. "

Truer words were never spoken.

High turnover and chronic manpower shortage is perhaps the BEST indication

of a inadequate mangement situation.

I have been roasted many a time for saying this, but it continues to be

true. Private ambulance companies have NO BUSINESS in 911. I don't think

their medics are inferior, I think their entire approach is off base. It

breeds idiocy like SSM and UHU rates. Any time you keep track of how many

hours an ambulance is in use, you are already have misplaced your

priorities. I have heard from multiple " managers " in private based systems

who swear that I am being unfair, and that they are dedicated to NOTHING

except quality patient care. My response is always the same. If you are in

charge of a " for profit " enterprise, and your first priority isn't

generating profits....you need to be replaced. That's the entire crux of the

issue. If you aren't concerned with generating profits, then you can focus

on things like employee retention and patient care. If you are there to

manage a money generating outfit, then making money HAS to be your first

concern. It just has to.

magnetass sends

Re: Re: Sad Day in Ems

>

> Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the types of managers that

> proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS generally uses people

> as managers who have little, if any, true supervisory or business

> training, we get what we ask for.

>

> No, EMS cannot be a " red-ink " hemorrage. But, to think that EMS

> should make money for any governmental entity is absurd. Our streets

> departments don't make money - our school systems don't make money -

> our police departments don't make money... but without them, a city

> would be unable to attract the businesses and residents necessary to

> generate revenues and make money as a whole.

>

> EMS is a part, and it's a part designed to be run in-the-red so that

> other parts of the fiscal system of government can attract the

> resources they need to generate true revenue.

>

> Fort Worth would likely, at this point, be best-served by FWFD taking over

> EMS.

>

> Just my $.02.

>

> Mike

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the types of managers that

proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS generally uses people

as managers who have little, if any, true supervisory or business

training, we get what we ask for. "

that was a mouthfull and a half. even history tells us that it is true. i think

the verse goes " the love of money is the root of evil. "

of course it would be impossible that the managers would think it is all about

the money. everybody knows that they care about the patients and employees.

[Guest guest]

" Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the types of managers that

proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS generally uses people

as managers who have little, if any, true supervisory or business

training, we get what we ask for. "

that was a mouthfull and a half. even history tells us that it is true. i think

the verse goes " the love of money is the root of evil. "

of course it would be impossible that the managers would think it is all about

the money. everybody knows that they care about the patients and employees.

[Guest guest]

" Any time EMS is focused on PROFIT, you get the types of managers that

proiritize PROFIT over people. Being that EMS generally uses people

as managers who have little, if any, true supervisory or business

training, we get what we ask for. "

that was a mouthfull and a half. even history tells us that it is true. i think

the verse goes " the love of money is the root of evil. "

of course it would be impossible that the managers would think it is all about

the money. everybody knows that they care about the patients and employees.

[Guest guest]

> Precisely my point. The FD shouldn't bid for it, they sohuld just

do

> it. That, or the Authority should clean up their mess and actually

> devote time and energy to running a good EMS service.

What happens when you have a Fire Department that doesn't give two

hoots about EMS, and want to fight fires, do HAZMAT, and the other

good things they do, and foist EMS on them also?

You get a recalcitrant, balky fire bureaucracy, tension and anger in

the stations, and generally, a mediocre EMS.

Houston grew out of that, but it took years. There are plenty of

current examples: NYC, San Francisco, Stockton CA, Lincoln NE... and

I think I am missing a few.

Better to clean the Stygean stables of AMAA / RM and improve the

morale and service, then put it in the Fire Department that doesn't

want it, and see service and morale hit rock bottom, and start

digging.

[Guest guest]

> Precisely my point. The FD shouldn't bid for it, they sohuld just

do

> it. That, or the Authority should clean up their mess and actually

> devote time and energy to running a good EMS service.

What happens when you have a Fire Department that doesn't give two

hoots about EMS, and want to fight fires, do HAZMAT, and the other

good things they do, and foist EMS on them also?

You get a recalcitrant, balky fire bureaucracy, tension and anger in

the stations, and generally, a mediocre EMS.

Houston grew out of that, but it took years. There are plenty of

current examples: NYC, San Francisco, Stockton CA, Lincoln NE... and

I think I am missing a few.

Better to clean the Stygean stables of AMAA / RM and improve the

morale and service, then put it in the Fire Department that doesn't

want it, and see service and morale hit rock bottom, and start

digging.

[Guest guest]

> Precisely my point. The FD shouldn't bid for it, they sohuld just

do

> it. That, or the Authority should clean up their mess and actually

> devote time and energy to running a good EMS service.

What happens when you have a Fire Department that doesn't give two

hoots about EMS, and want to fight fires, do HAZMAT, and the other

good things they do, and foist EMS on them also?

You get a recalcitrant, balky fire bureaucracy, tension and anger in

the stations, and generally, a mediocre EMS.

Houston grew out of that, but it took years. There are plenty of

current examples: NYC, San Francisco, Stockton CA, Lincoln NE... and

I think I am missing a few.

Better to clean the Stygean stables of AMAA / RM and improve the

morale and service, then put it in the Fire Department that doesn't

want it, and see service and morale hit rock bottom, and start

digging.

[Guest guest]

There are an astounding number of fire departments that realize that EMS is

the main focus of what people who pick up the phone to dial 911 is, and do a

fantastic job of providing that service. The few examples nationwide who

have not embraced this simple concept will eventually when their dinosaurs

die off.

At the very least EMS needs to be an equal service to fire and PD. I'm not a

staunch advocate of fire based EMS, but I am a strong opponent of private

911.

magnetass sends

Re: Sad Day in Ems

>

>

>

>> Precisely my point. The FD shouldn't bid for it, they sohuld just

> do

>> it. That, or the Authority should clean up their mess and actually

>> devote time and energy to running a good EMS service.

>

>

>

> What happens when you have a Fire Department that doesn't give two

> hoots about EMS, and want to fight fires, do HAZMAT, and the other

> good things they do, and foist EMS on them also?

>

> You get a recalcitrant, balky fire bureaucracy, tension and anger in

> the stations, and generally, a mediocre EMS.

>

> Houston grew out of that, but it took years. There are plenty of

> current examples: NYC, San Francisco, Stockton CA, Lincoln NE... and

> I think I am missing a few.

>

> Better to clean the Stygean stables of AMAA / RM and improve the

> morale and service, then put it in the Fire Department that doesn't

> want it, and see service and morale hit rock bottom, and start

> digging.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There are an astounding number of fire departments that realize that EMS is

the main focus of what people who pick up the phone to dial 911 is, and do a

fantastic job of providing that service. The few examples nationwide who

have not embraced this simple concept will eventually when their dinosaurs

die off.

At the very least EMS needs to be an equal service to fire and PD. I'm not a

staunch advocate of fire based EMS, but I am a strong opponent of private

911.

magnetass sends

Re: Sad Day in Ems

>

>

>

>> Precisely my point. The FD shouldn't bid for it, they sohuld just

> do

>> it. That, or the Authority should clean up their mess and actually

>> devote time and energy to running a good EMS service.

>

>

>

> What happens when you have a Fire Department that doesn't give two

> hoots about EMS, and want to fight fires, do HAZMAT, and the other

> good things they do, and foist EMS on them also?

>

> You get a recalcitrant, balky fire bureaucracy, tension and anger in

> the stations, and generally, a mediocre EMS.

>

> Houston grew out of that, but it took years. There are plenty of

> current examples: NYC, San Francisco, Stockton CA, Lincoln NE... and

> I think I am missing a few.

>

> Better to clean the Stygean stables of AMAA / RM and improve the

> morale and service, then put it in the Fire Department that doesn't

> want it, and see service and morale hit rock bottom, and start

> digging.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There are an astounding number of fire departments that realize that EMS is

the main focus of what people who pick up the phone to dial 911 is, and do a

fantastic job of providing that service. The few examples nationwide who

have not embraced this simple concept will eventually when their dinosaurs

die off.

At the very least EMS needs to be an equal service to fire and PD. I'm not a

staunch advocate of fire based EMS, but I am a strong opponent of private

911.

magnetass sends

Re: Sad Day in Ems

>

>

>

>> Precisely my point. The FD shouldn't bid for it, they sohuld just

> do

>> it. That, or the Authority should clean up their mess and actually

>> devote time and energy to running a good EMS service.

>

>

>

> What happens when you have a Fire Department that doesn't give two

> hoots about EMS, and want to fight fires, do HAZMAT, and the other

> good things they do, and foist EMS on them also?

>

> You get a recalcitrant, balky fire bureaucracy, tension and anger in

> the stations, and generally, a mediocre EMS.

>

> Houston grew out of that, but it took years. There are plenty of

> current examples: NYC, San Francisco, Stockton CA, Lincoln NE... and

> I think I am missing a few.

>

> Better to clean the Stygean stables of AMAA / RM and improve the

> morale and service, then put it in the Fire Department that doesn't

> want it, and see service and morale hit rock bottom, and start

> digging.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Jeff,

That is the way it happened,I was on the

Supervisors

Interview Commitee. But if you noticed,How many people

left The Star ? I remember 2, Waddington and

Ellen Latham. Do you remember the meetings we had

on Tulsa Way at the T.C.M.S. Building. How many out

and out lies were told? How many times were Boo and

Mike Lee and and Mike called on

the carpet? And the standard reply; IF YOU DONT LIKE

IT,YOU DONT HAVE TO WORK HERE.Rural Metro is the most

morally bankrupt company on Planet Earth. Please If

you have any dealings with them ,Grease up,because it

is going to bite you in the end. I left Med Star in

1999. My wife got into nursing school. When I left,I

was assured by that I was able to come

back at any time. So now we are moving back to Fort

Worth, and I call to see about going back to work and

I was told that

to move to California.

--- Jeff Ellison wrote:

> I think you mean, if Rural Metro were to pull out,

> but yes, the medics would still be there. The new

> company would bring in it's own management, and

> interview to select Supervisors. This brings with it

> massive change, as it did when AMR left and R/M came

> in.

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> Jonathon's Mail

> wrote:

> if medstar did pull out of tarrant county and

> someone else moved in, then like every other

> turnover, wouldn't the same employees still work

> there? if that were to happen,what would be the use

> of the turnover?

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[Guest guest]

Jeff,

That is the way it happened,I was on the

Supervisors

Interview Commitee. But if you noticed,How many people

left The Star ? I remember 2, Waddington and

Ellen Latham. Do you remember the meetings we had

on Tulsa Way at the T.C.M.S. Building. How many out

and out lies were told? How many times were Boo and

Mike Lee and and Mike called on

the carpet? And the standard reply; IF YOU DONT LIKE

IT,YOU DONT HAVE TO WORK HERE.Rural Metro is the most

morally bankrupt company on Planet Earth. Please If

you have any dealings with them ,Grease up,because it

is going to bite you in the end. I left Med Star in

1999. My wife got into nursing school. When I left,I

was assured by that I was able to come

back at any time. So now we are moving back to Fort

Worth, and I call to see about going back to work and

I was told that

to move to California.

--- Jeff Ellison wrote:

> I think you mean, if Rural Metro were to pull out,

> but yes, the medics would still be there. The new

> company would bring in it's own management, and

> interview to select Supervisors. This brings with it

> massive change, as it did when AMR left and R/M came

> in.

>

>

>

> Jonathon's Mail

> wrote:

> if medstar did pull out of tarrant county and

> someone else moved in, then like every other

> turnover, wouldn't the same employees still work

> there? if that were to happen,what would be the use

> of the turnover?

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Jeff,

That is the way it happened,I was on the

Supervisors

Interview Commitee. But if you noticed,How many people

left The Star ? I remember 2, Waddington and

Ellen Latham. Do you remember the meetings we had

on Tulsa Way at the T.C.M.S. Building. How many out

and out lies were told? How many times were Boo and

Mike Lee and and Mike called on

the carpet? And the standard reply; IF YOU DONT LIKE

IT,YOU DONT HAVE TO WORK HERE.Rural Metro is the most

morally bankrupt company on Planet Earth. Please If

you have any dealings with them ,Grease up,because it

is going to bite you in the end. I left Med Star in

1999. My wife got into nursing school. When I left,I

was assured by that I was able to come

back at any time. So now we are moving back to Fort

Worth, and I call to see about going back to work and

I was told that

to move to California.

--- Jeff Ellison wrote:

> I think you mean, if Rural Metro were to pull out,

> but yes, the medics would still be there. The new

> company would bring in it's own management, and

> interview to select Supervisors. This brings with it

> massive change, as it did when AMR left and R/M came

> in.

>

>

>

> Jonathon's Mail

> wrote:

> if medstar did pull out of tarrant county and

> someone else moved in, then like every other

> turnover, wouldn't the same employees still work

> there? if that were to happen,what would be the use

> of the turnover?

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

-- " Brown " wrote:

" There are an astounding number of fire departments that realize that EMS is the

main focus of what people who pick up the phone to dial 911 is, and do a

fantastic job of providing that service. "

No disagreement there; I was pointing out that forcing EMS where it isn't wanted

is a road fraught with peril, and perhaps the more efficient approach would be

to correct that which is broken.

" At the very least EMS needs to be an equal service to fire and PD. "

Parity would make EMS more attractive to potential recruits and give us an

equalplace at the table with LEOs and Fire.

[Guest guest]

-- " Brown " wrote:

" There are an astounding number of fire departments that realize that EMS is the

main focus of what people who pick up the phone to dial 911 is, and do a

fantastic job of providing that service. "

No disagreement there; I was pointing out that forcing EMS where it isn't wanted

is a road fraught with peril, and perhaps the more efficient approach would be

to correct that which is broken.

" At the very least EMS needs to be an equal service to fire and PD. "

Parity would make EMS more attractive to potential recruits and give us an

equalplace at the table with LEOs and Fire.

[Guest guest]

-- " Brown " wrote:

" There are an astounding number of fire departments that realize that EMS is the

main focus of what people who pick up the phone to dial 911 is, and do a

fantastic job of providing that service. "

No disagreement there; I was pointing out that forcing EMS where it isn't wanted

is a road fraught with peril, and perhaps the more efficient approach would be

to correct that which is broken.

" At the very least EMS needs to be an equal service to fire and PD. "

Parity would make EMS more attractive to potential recruits and give us an

equalplace at the table with LEOs and Fire.