Sad Day for EMS and a 16-year old

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:34:46 -0800 (PST), Randy

wrote:

>

> Now hang on Ken, according to mike, Meredeth and others she's the complete

innocent victim here. it doesn't matter her status because after all, her mom

knows that she hasn't had sex before nor has she been on a date, but out of that

she is allowed to subject her self to see and expose her self to other victims

of assault, sicknesses, diseases, car wrecks, stabbings, shootings, etc., etc.,

(you get the point) all at night, where she should safely be at home. It's OK

for her to be out late to see mangled bodies but it's not OK for her to go to

the movies with a boy from school. And again for all of you who " think " I'm

defending the criminal you are totally wrong, as in way wrong.

*************

I started riding with my dad and his crews at the age of 12,

occasionally. By 15/16, I was riding pretty often, and while I was

with my dad's crews, I wasn't under his direct supervision, and not

always at his station depending on students, etc.

It's probably the single biggest impact I've had in my life - and kept

me straight more than anything else could have. I saw early on what

drugs, alcohol and violence can do, and I saw the impact someone could

have when someone else is in crisis. It was very surely the defining

time of my childhood, because I saw the world as it is, not as a

teenager could imagine it might be.

That's completely and totally different from my being able to make a

rational decision in the face of my horomones, and pressure from those

in authority over me. I was never raped, for sure, but I was exposed

to conversations that in any other situation would be completley

inappropriate, and likely were in my presence anyway.

That said - even if the 15 year old girl in question stripped naked,

laid down on the stretcher and said " take me now, I'm yours, " THESE

two medics were old enough to to override any physical impluse they

might have had, realize on how many levels this was wrong, and stop

her ride-along RIGHT THEN AND THERE. Rather, these two appear to have

actively participated in activities with her that were not only

illegal, but absolutely, positively unethical - especially for the

situation they were in.

There is no justification for this, PERIOD.

Mike :/

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:34:46 -0800 (PST), Randy

wrote:

>

> Now hang on Ken, according to mike, Meredeth and others she's the complete

innocent victim here. it doesn't matter her status because after all, her mom

knows that she hasn't had sex before nor has she been on a date, but out of that

she is allowed to subject her self to see and expose her self to other victims

of assault, sicknesses, diseases, car wrecks, stabbings, shootings, etc., etc.,

(you get the point) all at night, where she should safely be at home. It's OK

for her to be out late to see mangled bodies but it's not OK for her to go to

the movies with a boy from school. And again for all of you who " think " I'm

defending the criminal you are totally wrong, as in way wrong.

*************

I started riding with my dad and his crews at the age of 12,

occasionally. By 15/16, I was riding pretty often, and while I was

with my dad's crews, I wasn't under his direct supervision, and not

always at his station depending on students, etc.

It's probably the single biggest impact I've had in my life - and kept

me straight more than anything else could have. I saw early on what

drugs, alcohol and violence can do, and I saw the impact someone could

have when someone else is in crisis. It was very surely the defining

time of my childhood, because I saw the world as it is, not as a

teenager could imagine it might be.

That's completely and totally different from my being able to make a

rational decision in the face of my horomones, and pressure from those

in authority over me. I was never raped, for sure, but I was exposed

to conversations that in any other situation would be completley

inappropriate, and likely were in my presence anyway.

That said - even if the 15 year old girl in question stripped naked,

laid down on the stretcher and said " take me now, I'm yours, " THESE

two medics were old enough to to override any physical impluse they

might have had, realize on how many levels this was wrong, and stop

her ride-along RIGHT THEN AND THERE. Rather, these two appear to have

actively participated in activities with her that were not only

illegal, but absolutely, positively unethical - especially for the

situation they were in.

There is no justification for this, PERIOD.

Mike :/

[Guest guest]

<snip>

Does ANYONE here have moral character, other than Gene (even though he IS a

lawyer?)?

<snip>

Mike,

They were wrong. No buts about it. NOTHING could possibly excuse their

actions.The young lady and her parent(s) may not have made a good choice with an

overnight rideout; however, NOTHING could possibly excuse the actions of Russel

and Barash. NOTHING.

As far as the comment " there are two sides to every story " also made by Randy,

that is why we have trials by juries, and not vigalanties. Nevertheless if

someone did this to my child, I might be the one on trial.

I suspect most of the list agrees with you, Gene and I , but are just too sick

to write about it.

The next thing we need to do is address ways to solve this problem in society

and therefore in EMS. Education in medic schools, training to practicing medics,

polices and procedures by our educators and adminstrators can all be a part of

the solution. I am sure I have many things out, but we need to embrace ethics

and morality, rather than just cover it in class once " for the exam, " which

happens all to often because we have so much technical content. We all need to

model moral behavior. Especially in front of EMS students and new medics. Ernie

Rodriquez used to do a talk called " Fried Green Rookies " He talked about how

rookies and students emulate the behavior modeled by the preceptors (and

non-preceptors) on the street. If I remember correctly, he talked a great deal

about behaviors that do not lead to professionalism, we need to revisit this

topic as profession.

The medical terminolgy when my three-year old repeats my speech is echolalia,

when he repeats my actions, it is echopraxia. If he says F***-Y** and hits me,

is it my fault or his? mine

When a 29 year-old and a 37- year old rape a child, the fault lies with them,

not the child.

I am a strong believer that self-responsiblity is a good thing, but we have to

teach it, we have to emulate it, we have to live it. I don't know how these two

were reared by their parents or what they saw on television or the movies or at

school and it really doesn't matter now, BUT it is important to the next group

of professionals that the professionals they see model good behavior and

acknowledgment of mistakes by the professionals they are going to emulate.

Okay, end of rant.

Nile

PS. " Sad Day for EMS and a 16-year old " is also wrong, this is a sad day for

EMS since the rest of us are now tainted with this, but sad could not come close

to describing what happened to this young lady.

J. Nile , LP

PharmD Candidate

(May 2005) The University of Texas at Austin &

The University of Texas Health Science Center at San

Home:

131 Barton Meadow Dr

Dripping Springs, TX

78620-3881

jnbarnes@... mobile:

pager:

Add me to your address book... Want a signature like this?

[Guest guest]

> You still don't get it.....it is not about age. If she had been 18, or 21 or

40, it still would have

> been rape.

> Though it's possible these cowards wouldn't have tried it with an older

female. On the other

> hand.....if you are capable of rape, you are capable of rape.

*********************

Actually, at 18, 21, or 40, it would have been arguable, at least,

that it's not rape. And 18 year old, 21 year old, or 40 year old

would have been progressively more capable of recognizing the

psychodynamics of the situation and getting out of it... and

physically more capable of fighting, should the need have arisen.

Regardless of how their lawyers could have argued the case, the

ethical dilemna remains - even if it's consentual, is it ethical,

especially with what's effectively a student whom you're in

supervision of?

For what it's worth, everyone among us is CAPABLE of rape. If you can

imagine it, no matter how it horrifies you to do so, you're at the

very least CAPABLE of performing the act.

If you'd like more insight into this, I'd suggest two books:

The Gift of Fear, by Gavin DeBecker

and

On Killing, by Lt. Col. Grossman (ret.)

Both explain a lot about how the mind works in fearful scenarios, and

the mental coping tools we use to justify our actions in a variety of

circumstances.

Mike

[Guest guest]

> You still don't get it.....it is not about age. If she had been 18, or 21 or

40, it still would have

> been rape.

> Though it's possible these cowards wouldn't have tried it with an older

female. On the other

> hand.....if you are capable of rape, you are capable of rape.

*********************

Actually, at 18, 21, or 40, it would have been arguable, at least,

that it's not rape. And 18 year old, 21 year old, or 40 year old

would have been progressively more capable of recognizing the

psychodynamics of the situation and getting out of it... and

physically more capable of fighting, should the need have arisen.

Regardless of how their lawyers could have argued the case, the

ethical dilemna remains - even if it's consentual, is it ethical,

especially with what's effectively a student whom you're in

supervision of?

For what it's worth, everyone among us is CAPABLE of rape. If you can

imagine it, no matter how it horrifies you to do so, you're at the

very least CAPABLE of performing the act.

If you'd like more insight into this, I'd suggest two books:

The Gift of Fear, by Gavin DeBecker

and

On Killing, by Lt. Col. Grossman (ret.)

Both explain a lot about how the mind works in fearful scenarios, and

the mental coping tools we use to justify our actions in a variety of

circumstances.

Mike

[Guest guest]

> You still don't get it.....it is not about age. If she had been 18, or 21 or

40, it still would have

> been rape.

> Though it's possible these cowards wouldn't have tried it with an older

female. On the other

> hand.....if you are capable of rape, you are capable of rape.

*********************

Actually, at 18, 21, or 40, it would have been arguable, at least,

that it's not rape. And 18 year old, 21 year old, or 40 year old

would have been progressively more capable of recognizing the

psychodynamics of the situation and getting out of it... and

physically more capable of fighting, should the need have arisen.

Regardless of how their lawyers could have argued the case, the

ethical dilemna remains - even if it's consentual, is it ethical,

especially with what's effectively a student whom you're in

supervision of?

For what it's worth, everyone among us is CAPABLE of rape. If you can

imagine it, no matter how it horrifies you to do so, you're at the

very least CAPABLE of performing the act.

If you'd like more insight into this, I'd suggest two books:

The Gift of Fear, by Gavin DeBecker

and

On Killing, by Lt. Col. Grossman (ret.)

Both explain a lot about how the mind works in fearful scenarios, and

the mental coping tools we use to justify our actions in a variety of

circumstances.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Who's Andy?

magnetass sends

Re: Sad Day for EMS and a 16-year old

> >

> >

> > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:58:53 -0800 (PST), Randy

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes, What he did was wrong. BUT, I have a problem with her testimony

> > that said " I knew it was going to happen so I just nodded my head. " Are

> > you going to tell me that a 15 year old who is apparently in the " Boy "

> > Scouts and understands a little bit about EMS can't get out and run for

> > help or call 911 from her cell phone which I'm sure she probably had

> > one.

> > Nothing that I've read has indicated that she was forced to stay in the

> > back of the ambulance or that she was held down. Sometimes I believe

> > that

> > age is the only victim not the people.

> >

> > ************

> >

> > Yeah, cause we all know that when a woman says no, she's just

> > protecting her honor, right? And when she digs her nails in your

> > back, it's erotic passion, right? And when she bites you, it's just

> > her nibbling too hard? And when she kicks and hits, it's because

> > you're driving her so wild?

> >

> > Jeez... you don't know much about the psychology of rape, especially

> > in a setting where the victim is subservient to the actor, do you? Or

> > are you just clueless about things like this in general?

> >

> > Blame the victim... on a public list. And we wonder why we're not

> > considered professionals...

> >

> > Nice, Randy, nice. You're a positive voice for our profession. I'll

> > pray for laryngitis.

> >

> > Mike :/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Who's Andy?

magnetass sends

Re: Sad Day for EMS and a 16-year old

> >

> >

> > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:58:53 -0800 (PST), Randy

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes, What he did was wrong. BUT, I have a problem with her testimony

> > that said " I knew it was going to happen so I just nodded my head. " Are

> > you going to tell me that a 15 year old who is apparently in the " Boy "

> > Scouts and understands a little bit about EMS can't get out and run for

> > help or call 911 from her cell phone which I'm sure she probably had

> > one.

> > Nothing that I've read has indicated that she was forced to stay in the

> > back of the ambulance or that she was held down. Sometimes I believe

> > that

> > age is the only victim not the people.

> >

> > ************

> >

> > Yeah, cause we all know that when a woman says no, she's just

> > protecting her honor, right? And when she digs her nails in your

> > back, it's erotic passion, right? And when she bites you, it's just

> > her nibbling too hard? And when she kicks and hits, it's because

> > you're driving her so wild?

> >

> > Jeez... you don't know much about the psychology of rape, especially

> > in a setting where the victim is subservient to the actor, do you? Or

> > are you just clueless about things like this in general?

> >

> > Blame the victim... on a public list. And we wonder why we're not

> > considered professionals...

> >

> > Nice, Randy, nice. You're a positive voice for our profession. I'll

> > pray for laryngitis.

> >

> > Mike :/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Who's Andy?

magnetass sends

Re: Sad Day for EMS and a 16-year old

> >

> >

> > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:58:53 -0800 (PST), Randy

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes, What he did was wrong. BUT, I have a problem with her testimony

> > that said " I knew it was going to happen so I just nodded my head. " Are

> > you going to tell me that a 15 year old who is apparently in the " Boy "

> > Scouts and understands a little bit about EMS can't get out and run for

> > help or call 911 from her cell phone which I'm sure she probably had

> > one.

> > Nothing that I've read has indicated that she was forced to stay in the

> > back of the ambulance or that she was held down. Sometimes I believe

> > that

> > age is the only victim not the people.

> >

> > ************

> >

> > Yeah, cause we all know that when a woman says no, she's just

> > protecting her honor, right? And when she digs her nails in your

> > back, it's erotic passion, right? And when she bites you, it's just

> > her nibbling too hard? And when she kicks and hits, it's because

> > you're driving her so wild?

> >

> > Jeez... you don't know much about the psychology of rape, especially

> > in a setting where the victim is subservient to the actor, do you? Or

> > are you just clueless about things like this in general?

> >

> > Blame the victim... on a public list. And we wonder why we're not

> > considered professionals...

> >

> > Nice, Randy, nice. You're a positive voice for our profession. I'll

> > pray for laryngitis.

> >

> > Mike :/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:49:28 -0800 (PST), Randy

wrote:

>

> There you go, here ar your words that support my theory :

>

> In this case, the law is clear that a 15 year old girl is not able to

> consent to sexual activity with anyone over the age of 17, primarily

> due to the improper influence an older person can exert against a 15

> year old

>

> Which is no matter the circumstance, because she is 15 it doesn't matter " what

really happend " she can't decide.

Right, but the adult did, and now they're paying the consequences.

It's not that they don't get to have a side in the story, it's that

there is no story. Since she can't consent, there's no arguement as

to whether or not she did - it's automatic that she couldn't, and

didn't. So, the adults in question KNOWINGLY engaged in sexual

activities with someone they KNEW WAS NOT CONSENTING...

Question for you: You arrive to find a 15 year old patient with a

non-life-threatening complaint, and not pregnant. She wants to be

transported, and you can't reach mom, dad, or anyone else to consent

for her. The police are all busy and can't come. She's complaining

that she stubbed her toe, and that it hurts a little, but there's no

blood, deformity, loss of sensation, motion, etc. - NO visible

injury, and no reason to think that she's in danger of injury if left

untreated.

She says she wants to go to the hospital, and she's willing to sign

your form to take her.

Do you? She's attempting to consent... and by your logic, if you

took her it wouldn't be non-consentual because regardless of whether

she CAN consent, she IS consenting... right?

Mike

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:49:28 -0800 (PST), Randy

wrote:

>

> There you go, here ar your words that support my theory :

>

> In this case, the law is clear that a 15 year old girl is not able to

> consent to sexual activity with anyone over the age of 17, primarily

> due to the improper influence an older person can exert against a 15

> year old

>

> Which is no matter the circumstance, because she is 15 it doesn't matter " what

really happend " she can't decide.

Right, but the adult did, and now they're paying the consequences.

It's not that they don't get to have a side in the story, it's that

there is no story. Since she can't consent, there's no arguement as

to whether or not she did - it's automatic that she couldn't, and

didn't. So, the adults in question KNOWINGLY engaged in sexual

activities with someone they KNEW WAS NOT CONSENTING...

Question for you: You arrive to find a 15 year old patient with a

non-life-threatening complaint, and not pregnant. She wants to be

transported, and you can't reach mom, dad, or anyone else to consent

for her. The police are all busy and can't come. She's complaining

that she stubbed her toe, and that it hurts a little, but there's no

blood, deformity, loss of sensation, motion, etc. - NO visible

injury, and no reason to think that she's in danger of injury if left

untreated.

She says she wants to go to the hospital, and she's willing to sign

your form to take her.

Do you? She's attempting to consent... and by your logic, if you

took her it wouldn't be non-consentual because regardless of whether

she CAN consent, she IS consenting... right?

Mike

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:49:28 -0800 (PST), Randy

wrote:

>

> There you go, here ar your words that support my theory :

>

> In this case, the law is clear that a 15 year old girl is not able to

> consent to sexual activity with anyone over the age of 17, primarily

> due to the improper influence an older person can exert against a 15

> year old

>

> Which is no matter the circumstance, because she is 15 it doesn't matter " what

really happend " she can't decide.

Right, but the adult did, and now they're paying the consequences.

It's not that they don't get to have a side in the story, it's that

there is no story. Since she can't consent, there's no arguement as

to whether or not she did - it's automatic that she couldn't, and

didn't. So, the adults in question KNOWINGLY engaged in sexual

activities with someone they KNEW WAS NOT CONSENTING...

Question for you: You arrive to find a 15 year old patient with a

non-life-threatening complaint, and not pregnant. She wants to be

transported, and you can't reach mom, dad, or anyone else to consent

for her. The police are all busy and can't come. She's complaining

that she stubbed her toe, and that it hurts a little, but there's no

blood, deformity, loss of sensation, motion, etc. - NO visible

injury, and no reason to think that she's in danger of injury if left

untreated.

She says she wants to go to the hospital, and she's willing to sign

your form to take her.

Do you? She's attempting to consent... and by your logic, if you

took her it wouldn't be non-consentual because regardless of whether

she CAN consent, she IS consenting... right?

Mike

[Guest guest]

PS - If you don't take her, who consents to the refusal?

Mike

> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:49:28 -0800 (PST), Randy

> wrote:

> >

> > There you go, here ar your words that support my theory :

> >

> > In this case, the law is clear that a 15 year old girl is not able to

> > consent to sexual activity with anyone over the age of 17, primarily

> > due to the improper influence an older person can exert against a 15

> > year old

> >

> > Which is no matter the circumstance, because she is 15 it doesn't matter

" what really happend " she can't decide.

>

> Right, but the adult did, and now they're paying the consequences.

> It's not that they don't get to have a side in the story, it's that

> there is no story. Since she can't consent, there's no arguement as

> to whether or not she did - it's automatic that she couldn't, and

> didn't. So, the adults in question KNOWINGLY engaged in sexual

> activities with someone they KNEW WAS NOT CONSENTING...

>

> Question for you: You arrive to find a 15 year old patient with a

> non-life-threatening complaint, and not pregnant. She wants to be

> transported, and you can't reach mom, dad, or anyone else to consent

> for her. The police are all busy and can't come. She's complaining

> that she stubbed her toe, and that it hurts a little, but there's no

> blood, deformity, loss of sensation, motion, etc. - NO visible

> injury, and no reason to think that she's in danger of injury if left

> untreated.

>

> She says she wants to go to the hospital, and she's willing to sign

> your form to take her.

>

> Do you? She's attempting to consent... and by your logic, if you

> took her it wouldn't be non-consentual because regardless of whether

> she CAN consent, she IS consenting... right?

>

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

PS - If you don't take her, who consents to the refusal?

Mike

> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:49:28 -0800 (PST), Randy

> wrote:

> >

> > There you go, here ar your words that support my theory :

> >

> > In this case, the law is clear that a 15 year old girl is not able to

> > consent to sexual activity with anyone over the age of 17, primarily

> > due to the improper influence an older person can exert against a 15

> > year old

> >

> > Which is no matter the circumstance, because she is 15 it doesn't matter

" what really happend " she can't decide.

>

> Right, but the adult did, and now they're paying the consequences.

> It's not that they don't get to have a side in the story, it's that

> there is no story. Since she can't consent, there's no arguement as

> to whether or not she did - it's automatic that she couldn't, and

> didn't. So, the adults in question KNOWINGLY engaged in sexual

> activities with someone they KNEW WAS NOT CONSENTING...

>

> Question for you: You arrive to find a 15 year old patient with a

> non-life-threatening complaint, and not pregnant. She wants to be

> transported, and you can't reach mom, dad, or anyone else to consent

> for her. The police are all busy and can't come. She's complaining

> that she stubbed her toe, and that it hurts a little, but there's no

> blood, deformity, loss of sensation, motion, etc. - NO visible

> injury, and no reason to think that she's in danger of injury if left

> untreated.

>

> She says she wants to go to the hospital, and she's willing to sign

> your form to take her.

>

> Do you? She's attempting to consent... and by your logic, if you

> took her it wouldn't be non-consentual because regardless of whether

> she CAN consent, she IS consenting... right?

>

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

PS - If you don't take her, who consents to the refusal?

Mike

> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:49:28 -0800 (PST), Randy

> wrote:

> >

> > There you go, here ar your words that support my theory :

> >

> > In this case, the law is clear that a 15 year old girl is not able to

> > consent to sexual activity with anyone over the age of 17, primarily

> > due to the improper influence an older person can exert against a 15

> > year old

> >

> > Which is no matter the circumstance, because she is 15 it doesn't matter

" what really happend " she can't decide.

>

> Right, but the adult did, and now they're paying the consequences.

> It's not that they don't get to have a side in the story, it's that

> there is no story. Since she can't consent, there's no arguement as

> to whether or not she did - it's automatic that she couldn't, and

> didn't. So, the adults in question KNOWINGLY engaged in sexual

> activities with someone they KNEW WAS NOT CONSENTING...

>

> Question for you: You arrive to find a 15 year old patient with a

> non-life-threatening complaint, and not pregnant. She wants to be

> transported, and you can't reach mom, dad, or anyone else to consent

> for her. The police are all busy and can't come. She's complaining

> that she stubbed her toe, and that it hurts a little, but there's no

> blood, deformity, loss of sensation, motion, etc. - NO visible

> injury, and no reason to think that she's in danger of injury if left

> untreated.

>

> She says she wants to go to the hospital, and she's willing to sign

> your form to take her.

>

> Do you? She's attempting to consent... and by your logic, if you

> took her it wouldn't be non-consentual because regardless of whether

> she CAN consent, she IS consenting... right?

>

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

this kind of behavior in ems upsets me. this kind of behavior is what gives

this kind of business a bad rap.

>

>Reply-To:

>To: < >

>Subject: Sad Day for EMS and a 16-year old

>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:10:00 -0600

>

>Posted on Fri, Jan. 14, 2005

>

>

>

>

>

><BLOCKED::http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/dfw.news/local;kw=center6;c2=local;

>c3=local_homepage;pos=center6;group=rectangle;ord=1105744082746?>

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>

>

>Ex-Medstar EMT gets 6 years in rape

>

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>By Melody Mc

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>Star-Telegram Staff Writer

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>

>FORT WORTH - After almost 10 hours of deliberations, jurors Friday

>sentenced

>a former MedStar emergency medical technician to six years in prison for

>sexually assaulting a 15-year-old girl in the back of an ambulance.

>

>

>After the verdict was read, the victim's mother took the witness stand and

>addressed 29-year-old , who had worked for MedStar

>14 months.

>

>

>

> " This city trusted you, we trusted you, to be there to care for victims --

>not to create them, " she said, sobbing. The woman told about the

>devastation he had caused her daughter, who had dreams of becoming a

>paramedic and was a participant in MedStar's Explorer program.

>

>

>

> " When she was 3 or 4, her favorite show was Rescue 911, " the woman said. " I

>don't know how she will ever be able to look at a medical career without

>these painful memories.

>

>

>

> " Another of her goals was to save herself for marriage. But you took that

>choice away from her before she could make that for herself. " During the

>three-day trial, the girl, now 16, told jurors that she was riding with

> and Neal Barash, 37, a paramedic, when the assaults

>occurred

>in the early morning hours of Dec. 29, 2003.

>

>

>

>While the ambulance was parked behind a shopping center near Ridgmar Mall

>awaiting emergency calls, the men pressured her into having sex with them,

>the girl testified. The girl later told her mother, who reported it to

>police.

>

>

>

>, who earlier this week pleaded guilty to three counts of sexual

>assault of a child under 17, faced anywhere from probation to 20 years in

>prison. Prosecutor Dixie Bersano, a Tarrant County assistant district

>attorney, asked jurros to sentence him to nothing less than eight years,

>saying he violated the community's trust and manipulated a young girl.

>

>

>

>Defense attorneys Roxanne and Jack Duffy argued for probation,

>calling the sex " consensual " and saying was a good man who had

>never

>been in trouble before.

>

>

>

>After deliberating Thursday and Friday, the jury sentenced him to six years

>on one count and two years on the other two counts. The sentences will run

>concurrently. must serve a minimum of three years before he is

>eligible for parole.

>

>

>

>During her victim impact statement, the girl's mother told that her

>daughter had never been on her first date or alone with a boy her age.

>

>

>

> " She didn't have the knowledge or experience to fend you off, " she said.

> " Maybe one day, you will look into your daughter's eyes and be able to

>teach

>her from experience how to protect herself from a predator like you. "

>

>

>

>Afterward, asked -- and the judge agreed -- to allow him to make a

>statment. He stood in the center of the courtoom and turned and faced the

>victim and her family, who were being comforted by his estranged wife.

>

>

>

>He apologized to all of them -- as well as his family and the city of Fort

>Worth, for the pain and embarrasment he has caused and for violating their

>trust.

>

>

>

> " I broke that trust in one single act of selfishness and I apologize, " he

>said. And while jurors have decided 's fate, the implications of

>what

>happened that day in the back of the ambulance are far-reaching and far

>from

>over.

>

>

>

>Barash, the other defendant, remains free on bail, awaiting his trial.

>

>

>

>A civil lawsuit is pending against the ambulance company and the Boy Scouts

>of America, which operated the Explorer Program.

>

>

>

> , the defendant's wife, has filed for divorce.

>

>

>

>During the trial, sat with the victim and her family to show

>her support for them.

>

>

>

> " Nobody should have to go through what they have been through, "

> said. " My heart, thoughts and prayers are with her and her family. "

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

this kind of behavior in ems upsets me. this kind of behavior is what gives

this kind of business a bad rap.

>

>Reply-To:

>To: < >

>Subject: Sad Day for EMS and a 16-year old

>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:10:00 -0600

>

>Posted on Fri, Jan. 14, 2005

>

>

>

>

>

><BLOCKED::http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/dfw.news/local;kw=center6;c2=local;

>c3=local_homepage;pos=center6;group=rectangle;ord=1105744082746?>

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>

>

>Ex-Medstar EMT gets 6 years in rape

>

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>By Melody Mc

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>Star-Telegram Staff Writer

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>

>FORT WORTH - After almost 10 hours of deliberations, jurors Friday

>sentenced

>a former MedStar emergency medical technician to six years in prison for

>sexually assaulting a 15-year-old girl in the back of an ambulance.

>

>

>After the verdict was read, the victim's mother took the witness stand and

>addressed 29-year-old , who had worked for MedStar

>14 months.

>

>

>

> " This city trusted you, we trusted you, to be there to care for victims --

>not to create them, " she said, sobbing. The woman told about the

>devastation he had caused her daughter, who had dreams of becoming a

>paramedic and was a participant in MedStar's Explorer program.

>

>

>

> " When she was 3 or 4, her favorite show was Rescue 911, " the woman said. " I

>don't know how she will ever be able to look at a medical career without

>these painful memories.

>

>

>

> " Another of her goals was to save herself for marriage. But you took that

>choice away from her before she could make that for herself. " During the

>three-day trial, the girl, now 16, told jurors that she was riding with

> and Neal Barash, 37, a paramedic, when the assaults

>occurred

>in the early morning hours of Dec. 29, 2003.

>

>

>

>While the ambulance was parked behind a shopping center near Ridgmar Mall

>awaiting emergency calls, the men pressured her into having sex with them,

>the girl testified. The girl later told her mother, who reported it to

>police.

>

>

>

>, who earlier this week pleaded guilty to three counts of sexual

>assault of a child under 17, faced anywhere from probation to 20 years in

>prison. Prosecutor Dixie Bersano, a Tarrant County assistant district

>attorney, asked jurros to sentence him to nothing less than eight years,

>saying he violated the community's trust and manipulated a young girl.

>

>

>

>Defense attorneys Roxanne and Jack Duffy argued for probation,

>calling the sex " consensual " and saying was a good man who had

>never

>been in trouble before.

>

>

>

>After deliberating Thursday and Friday, the jury sentenced him to six years

>on one count and two years on the other two counts. The sentences will run

>concurrently. must serve a minimum of three years before he is

>eligible for parole.

>

>

>

>During her victim impact statement, the girl's mother told that her

>daughter had never been on her first date or alone with a boy her age.

>

>

>

> " She didn't have the knowledge or experience to fend you off, " she said.

> " Maybe one day, you will look into your daughter's eyes and be able to

>teach

>her from experience how to protect herself from a predator like you. "

>

>

>

>Afterward, asked -- and the judge agreed -- to allow him to make a

>statment. He stood in the center of the courtoom and turned and faced the

>victim and her family, who were being comforted by his estranged wife.

>

>

>

>He apologized to all of them -- as well as his family and the city of Fort

>Worth, for the pain and embarrasment he has caused and for violating their

>trust.

>

>

>

> " I broke that trust in one single act of selfishness and I apologize, " he

>said. And while jurors have decided 's fate, the implications of

>what

>happened that day in the back of the ambulance are far-reaching and far

>from

>over.

>

>

>

>Barash, the other defendant, remains free on bail, awaiting his trial.

>

>

>

>A civil lawsuit is pending against the ambulance company and the Boy Scouts

>of America, which operated the Explorer Program.

>

>

>

> , the defendant's wife, has filed for divorce.

>

>

>

>During the trial, sat with the victim and her family to show

>her support for them.

>

>

>

> " Nobody should have to go through what they have been through, "

> said. " My heart, thoughts and prayers are with her and her family. "

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

this kind of behavior in ems upsets me. this kind of behavior is what gives

this kind of business a bad rap.

>

>Reply-To:

>To: < >

>Subject: Sad Day for EMS and a 16-year old

>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:10:00 -0600

>

>Posted on Fri, Jan. 14, 2005

>

>

>

>

>

><BLOCKED::http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/dfw.news/local;kw=center6;c2=local;

>c3=local_homepage;pos=center6;group=rectangle;ord=1105744082746?>

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>

>

>Ex-Medstar EMT gets 6 years in rape

>

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>By Melody Mc

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>Star-Telegram Staff Writer

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>

>FORT WORTH - After almost 10 hours of deliberations, jurors Friday

>sentenced

>a former MedStar emergency medical technician to six years in prison for

>sexually assaulting a 15-year-old girl in the back of an ambulance.

>

>

>After the verdict was read, the victim's mother took the witness stand and

>addressed 29-year-old , who had worked for MedStar

>14 months.

>

>

>

> " This city trusted you, we trusted you, to be there to care for victims --

>not to create them, " she said, sobbing. The woman told about the

>devastation he had caused her daughter, who had dreams of becoming a

>paramedic and was a participant in MedStar's Explorer program.

>

>

>

> " When she was 3 or 4, her favorite show was Rescue 911, " the woman said. " I

>don't know how she will ever be able to look at a medical career without

>these painful memories.

>

>

>

> " Another of her goals was to save herself for marriage. But you took that

>choice away from her before she could make that for herself. " During the

>three-day trial, the girl, now 16, told jurors that she was riding with

> and Neal Barash, 37, a paramedic, when the assaults

>occurred

>in the early morning hours of Dec. 29, 2003.

>

>

>

>While the ambulance was parked behind a shopping center near Ridgmar Mall

>awaiting emergency calls, the men pressured her into having sex with them,

>the girl testified. The girl later told her mother, who reported it to

>police.

>

>

>

>, who earlier this week pleaded guilty to three counts of sexual

>assault of a child under 17, faced anywhere from probation to 20 years in

>prison. Prosecutor Dixie Bersano, a Tarrant County assistant district

>attorney, asked jurros to sentence him to nothing less than eight years,

>saying he violated the community's trust and manipulated a young girl.

>

>

>

>Defense attorneys Roxanne and Jack Duffy argued for probation,

>calling the sex " consensual " and saying was a good man who had

>never

>been in trouble before.

>

>

>

>After deliberating Thursday and Friday, the jury sentenced him to six years

>on one count and two years on the other two counts. The sentences will run

>concurrently. must serve a minimum of three years before he is

>eligible for parole.

>

>

>

>During her victim impact statement, the girl's mother told that her

>daughter had never been on her first date or alone with a boy her age.

>

>

>

> " She didn't have the knowledge or experience to fend you off, " she said.

> " Maybe one day, you will look into your daughter's eyes and be able to

>teach

>her from experience how to protect herself from a predator like you. "

>

>

>

>Afterward, asked -- and the judge agreed -- to allow him to make a

>statment. He stood in the center of the courtoom and turned and faced the

>victim and her family, who were being comforted by his estranged wife.

>

>

>

>He apologized to all of them -- as well as his family and the city of Fort

>Worth, for the pain and embarrasment he has caused and for violating their

>trust.

>

>

>

> " I broke that trust in one single act of selfishness and I apologize, " he

>said. And while jurors have decided 's fate, the implications of

>what

>happened that day in the back of the ambulance are far-reaching and far

>from

>over.

>

>

>

>Barash, the other defendant, remains free on bail, awaiting his trial.

>

>

>

>A civil lawsuit is pending against the ambulance company and the Boy Scouts

>of America, which operated the Explorer Program.

>

>

>

> , the defendant's wife, has filed for divorce.

>

>

>

>During the trial, sat with the victim and her family to show

>her support for them.

>

>

>

> " Nobody should have to go through what they have been through, "

> said. " My heart, thoughts and prayers are with her and her family. "

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:45:44 -0800 (PST), Randy

wrote:

>

> Oh spare me with the innocent, defenseless out cry. she's 15 not 5. A 5 year

old wouldn't he able to defend themselves but a 15 year old can. at least enough

to make marks or cause injury to back her story up!

There you have it folks - women without injuries haven't been raped.

Straight from Randy's mouth.

Mike

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:45:44 -0800 (PST), Randy

wrote:

>

> Oh spare me with the innocent, defenseless out cry. she's 15 not 5. A 5 year

old wouldn't he able to defend themselves but a 15 year old can. at least enough

to make marks or cause injury to back her story up!

There you have it folks - women without injuries haven't been raped.

Straight from Randy's mouth.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Randy,

Are you a friend of the accused? I ask because your Yahoo profile

http://profiles.yahoo.com/texacutioner1 shows you are an EMT from Fort

Worth. I am just wondering if a friendship for one of these folks is

clouding your judgment. I may be off base, but if you are defending a

friend, your opinions are understandable, misguided, but understandable. One

very important part of friendship is telling your friend he/she is wrong.

Nile

Re: Sad Day for EMS and a 16-year old

>

> Oh spare me with the innocent, defenseless out cry. she's 15 not 5. A 5

year old wouldn't he able to defend themselves but a 15 year old can. at

least enough to make marks or cause injury to back her story up!

>

> Walks Alone wrote:Are you serious!?! I sure

hope not... This CHILD was probably scared out of her mind. The way I read

it, she couldn't even speak to say yes or no. Fear is a very very powerful

weapon. And I can tell you that girls are brought up to be " nice " and to be

respectful, and cooperative. Also, girls aren't natural fighters like boys

are. She wouldn't have known how to defend herself, even if she had wanted

to. You weren't there, you don't know how they likely intimidated her, and

probably made her believe, through actions or words, that there was no

escape, there was no help, and that she'd get hurt if she resisted. Heck

they probably had both the doors blocked in the unit, she couldn't have

gotten away if she tried. It has nothing to do with her being in the

Explorers. And yes, the Explorers are technically run by the " Boy Scouts "

but it's a separate entity that has accepted girls into it's programs for

years. Look at their " Mission &

> Vision " page here:

> http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s=mc & c=mv The whole focus of their

mission is to turn out " good " kids. They don't teach confrontation. Also

notice that one of the " Scout Laws " is that a scout is " Obedient " . She's a

KID... naive to the ways of adults, and especially street-hardened adults

like ourselves. Put yourself in her position for a moment, not with the

knowledge you have, as an adult man, but with the knowledge and experience

of a 15 year old girl. She was afraid, she was raped, and she was still

trying to be " good " like she was supposed to be. It took a lot of courage

for her to come forward with it at all. Check out the actual data below.

It's attitudes like yours that promote the image that girls " want it " and

that rape isn't a big deal. Could you look your wife, or sister, or mom, or

daughter in the eye and say that? I sure hope not.

> -WalksAlone

>

> The FBI estimates that only 37% of all rapes are reported to the police.

U.S. Justice Department statistics are even lower, with only 26% of all

rapes or attempted rapes being reported to law enforcement officials.

>

> Data from the National Women's Study, a longitudinal telephone survey of a

national household probability sample of women at least 18 years of age,

show 683,000 women forcibly raped each year and that 84% of rape victims did

not report the offense to the police.

>

> Using Uniform Crime Report data for 1994 and 1995, the Bureau of Justice

Statistics found that of rape victims who reported the offense to law

enforcement, about 40% were under the age of 18, and 15% were younger than

12.4

> Randy wrote:

> Yes, What he did was wrong. BUT, I have a problem with her testimony that

said " I knew it was going to happen so I just nodded my head. " Are you going

to tell me that a 15 year old who is apparently in the " Boy " Scouts and

understands a little bit about EMS can't get out and run for help or call

911 from her cell phone which I'm sure she probably had one. Nothing that

I've read has indicated that she was forced to stay in the back of the

ambulance or that she was held down. Sometimes I believe that age is the

only victim not the people.

>

> Bledsoe wrote:Posted on Fri, Jan. 14, 2005

>

>

>

>

>

>

<BLOCKED::http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/dfw.news/local;kw=center6;c2=local;

> c3=local_homepage;pos=center6;group=rectangle;ord=1105744082746?>

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>

>

> Ex-Medstar EMT gets 6 years in rape

>

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

> By Melody Mc

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

> Star-Telegram Staff Writer

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>

> FORT WORTH - After almost 10 hours of deliberations, jurors Friday

sentenced

> a former MedStar emergency medical technician to six years in prison for

> sexually assaulting a 15-year-old girl in the back of an ambulance.

>

>

> After the verdict was read, the victim's mother took the witness stand and

> addressed 29-year-old , who had worked for

MedStar

> 14 months.

>

>

>

> " This city trusted you, we trusted you, to be there to care for victims --

> not to create them, " she said, sobbing. The woman told about the

> devastation he had caused her daughter, who had dreams of becoming a

> paramedic and was a participant in MedStar's Explorer program.

>

>

>

> " When she was 3 or 4, her favorite show was Rescue 911, " the woman said.

" I

> don't know how she will ever be able to look at a medical career without

> these painful memories.

>

>

>

> " Another of her goals was to save herself for marriage. But you took that

> choice away from her before she could make that for herself. " During the

> three-day trial, the girl, now 16, told jurors that she was riding with

> and Neal Barash, 37, a paramedic, when the assaults

occurred

> in the early morning hours of Dec. 29, 2003.

>

>

>

> While the ambulance was parked behind a shopping center near Ridgmar Mall

> awaiting emergency calls, the men pressured her into having sex with them,

> the girl testified. The girl later told her mother, who reported it to

> police.

>

>

>

> , who earlier this week pleaded guilty to three counts of sexual

> assault of a child under 17, faced anywhere from probation to 20 years in

> prison. Prosecutor Dixie Bersano, a Tarrant County assistant district

> attorney, asked jurros to sentence him to nothing less than eight years,

> saying he violated the community's trust and manipulated a young girl.

>

>

>

> Defense attorneys Roxanne and Jack Duffy argued for probation,

> calling the sex " consensual " and saying was a good man who had

never

> been in trouble before.

>

>

>

> After deliberating Thursday and Friday, the jury sentenced him to six

years

> on one count and two years on the other two counts. The sentences will run

> concurrently. must serve a minimum of three years before he is

> eligible for parole.

>

>

>

> During her victim impact statement, the girl's mother told that

her

> daughter had never been on her first date or alone with a boy her age.

>

>

>

> " She didn't have the knowledge or experience to fend you off, " she said.

> " Maybe one day, you will look into your daughter's eyes and be able to

teach

> her from experience how to protect herself from a predator like you. "

>

>

>

> Afterward, asked -- and the judge agreed -- to allow him to make a

> statment. He stood in the center of the courtoom and turned and faced the

> victim and her family, who were being comforted by his estranged wife.

>

>

>

> He apologized to all of them -- as well as his family and the city of Fort

> Worth, for the pain and embarrasment he has caused and for violating their

> trust.

>

>

>

> " I broke that trust in one single act of selfishness and I apologize, " he

> said. And while jurors have decided 's fate, the implications of

what

> happened that day in the back of the ambulance are far-reaching and far

from

> over.

>

>

>

> Barash, the other defendant, remains free on bail, awaiting his trial.

>

>

>

> A civil lawsuit is pending against the ambulance company and the Boy

Scouts

> of America, which operated the Explorer Program.

>

>

>

> , the defendant's wife, has filed for divorce.

>

>

>

> During the trial, sat with the victim and her family to show

> her support for them.

>

>

>

> " Nobody should have to go through what they have been through, "

> said. " My heart, thoughts and prayers are with her and her

family. "

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Randy,

Are you a friend of the accused? I ask because your Yahoo profile

http://profiles.yahoo.com/texacutioner1 shows you are an EMT from Fort

Worth. I am just wondering if a friendship for one of these folks is

clouding your judgment. I may be off base, but if you are defending a

friend, your opinions are understandable, misguided, but understandable. One

very important part of friendship is telling your friend he/she is wrong.

Nile

Re: Sad Day for EMS and a 16-year old

>

> Oh spare me with the innocent, defenseless out cry. she's 15 not 5. A 5

year old wouldn't he able to defend themselves but a 15 year old can. at

least enough to make marks or cause injury to back her story up!

>

> Walks Alone wrote:Are you serious!?! I sure

hope not... This CHILD was probably scared out of her mind. The way I read

it, she couldn't even speak to say yes or no. Fear is a very very powerful

weapon. And I can tell you that girls are brought up to be " nice " and to be

respectful, and cooperative. Also, girls aren't natural fighters like boys

are. She wouldn't have known how to defend herself, even if she had wanted

to. You weren't there, you don't know how they likely intimidated her, and

probably made her believe, through actions or words, that there was no

escape, there was no help, and that she'd get hurt if she resisted. Heck

they probably had both the doors blocked in the unit, she couldn't have

gotten away if she tried. It has nothing to do with her being in the

Explorers. And yes, the Explorers are technically run by the " Boy Scouts "

but it's a separate entity that has accepted girls into it's programs for

years. Look at their " Mission &

> Vision " page here:

> http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s=mc & c=mv The whole focus of their

mission is to turn out " good " kids. They don't teach confrontation. Also

notice that one of the " Scout Laws " is that a scout is " Obedient " . She's a

KID... naive to the ways of adults, and especially street-hardened adults

like ourselves. Put yourself in her position for a moment, not with the

knowledge you have, as an adult man, but with the knowledge and experience

of a 15 year old girl. She was afraid, she was raped, and she was still

trying to be " good " like she was supposed to be. It took a lot of courage

for her to come forward with it at all. Check out the actual data below.

It's attitudes like yours that promote the image that girls " want it " and

that rape isn't a big deal. Could you look your wife, or sister, or mom, or

daughter in the eye and say that? I sure hope not.

> -WalksAlone

>

> The FBI estimates that only 37% of all rapes are reported to the police.

U.S. Justice Department statistics are even lower, with only 26% of all

rapes or attempted rapes being reported to law enforcement officials.

>

> Data from the National Women's Study, a longitudinal telephone survey of a

national household probability sample of women at least 18 years of age,

show 683,000 women forcibly raped each year and that 84% of rape victims did

not report the offense to the police.

>

> Using Uniform Crime Report data for 1994 and 1995, the Bureau of Justice

Statistics found that of rape victims who reported the offense to law

enforcement, about 40% were under the age of 18, and 15% were younger than

12.4

> Randy wrote:

> Yes, What he did was wrong. BUT, I have a problem with her testimony that

said " I knew it was going to happen so I just nodded my head. " Are you going

to tell me that a 15 year old who is apparently in the " Boy " Scouts and

understands a little bit about EMS can't get out and run for help or call

911 from her cell phone which I'm sure she probably had one. Nothing that

I've read has indicated that she was forced to stay in the back of the

ambulance or that she was held down. Sometimes I believe that age is the

only victim not the people.

>

> Bledsoe wrote:Posted on Fri, Jan. 14, 2005

>

>

>

>

>

>

<BLOCKED::http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/dfw.news/local;kw=center6;c2=local;

> c3=local_homepage;pos=center6;group=rectangle;ord=1105744082746?>

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>

>

> Ex-Medstar EMT gets 6 years in rape

>

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

> By Melody Mc

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

> Star-Telegram Staff Writer

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>

> FORT WORTH - After almost 10 hours of deliberations, jurors Friday

sentenced

> a former MedStar emergency medical technician to six years in prison for

> sexually assaulting a 15-year-old girl in the back of an ambulance.

>

>

> After the verdict was read, the victim's mother took the witness stand and

> addressed 29-year-old , who had worked for

MedStar

> 14 months.

>

>

>

> " This city trusted you, we trusted you, to be there to care for victims --

> not to create them, " she said, sobbing. The woman told about the

> devastation he had caused her daughter, who had dreams of becoming a

> paramedic and was a participant in MedStar's Explorer program.

>

>

>

> " When she was 3 or 4, her favorite show was Rescue 911, " the woman said.

" I

> don't know how she will ever be able to look at a medical career without

> these painful memories.

>

>

>

> " Another of her goals was to save herself for marriage. But you took that

> choice away from her before she could make that for herself. " During the

> three-day trial, the girl, now 16, told jurors that she was riding with

> and Neal Barash, 37, a paramedic, when the assaults

occurred

> in the early morning hours of Dec. 29, 2003.

>

>

>

> While the ambulance was parked behind a shopping center near Ridgmar Mall

> awaiting emergency calls, the men pressured her into having sex with them,

> the girl testified. The girl later told her mother, who reported it to

> police.

>

>

>

> , who earlier this week pleaded guilty to three counts of sexual

> assault of a child under 17, faced anywhere from probation to 20 years in

> prison. Prosecutor Dixie Bersano, a Tarrant County assistant district

> attorney, asked jurros to sentence him to nothing less than eight years,

> saying he violated the community's trust and manipulated a young girl.

>

>

>

> Defense attorneys Roxanne and Jack Duffy argued for probation,

> calling the sex " consensual " and saying was a good man who had

never

> been in trouble before.

>

>

>

> After deliberating Thursday and Friday, the jury sentenced him to six

years

> on one count and two years on the other two counts. The sentences will run

> concurrently. must serve a minimum of three years before he is

> eligible for parole.

>

>

>

> During her victim impact statement, the girl's mother told that

her

> daughter had never been on her first date or alone with a boy her age.

>

>

>

> " She didn't have the knowledge or experience to fend you off, " she said.

> " Maybe one day, you will look into your daughter's eyes and be able to

teach

> her from experience how to protect herself from a predator like you. "

>

>

>

> Afterward, asked -- and the judge agreed -- to allow him to make a

> statment. He stood in the center of the courtoom and turned and faced the

> victim and her family, who were being comforted by his estranged wife.

>

>

>

> He apologized to all of them -- as well as his family and the city of Fort

> Worth, for the pain and embarrasment he has caused and for violating their

> trust.

>

>

>

> " I broke that trust in one single act of selfishness and I apologize, " he

> said. And while jurors have decided 's fate, the implications of

what

> happened that day in the back of the ambulance are far-reaching and far

from

> over.

>

>

>

> Barash, the other defendant, remains free on bail, awaiting his trial.

>

>

>

> A civil lawsuit is pending against the ambulance company and the Boy

Scouts

> of America, which operated the Explorer Program.

>

>

>

> , the defendant's wife, has filed for divorce.

>

>

>

> During the trial, sat with the victim and her family to show

> her support for them.

>

>

>

> " Nobody should have to go through what they have been through, "

> said. " My heart, thoughts and prayers are with her and her

family. "

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Randy,

Are you a friend of the accused? I ask because your Yahoo profile

http://profiles.yahoo.com/texacutioner1 shows you are an EMT from Fort

Worth. I am just wondering if a friendship for one of these folks is

clouding your judgment. I may be off base, but if you are defending a

friend, your opinions are understandable, misguided, but understandable. One

very important part of friendship is telling your friend he/she is wrong.

Nile

Re: Sad Day for EMS and a 16-year old

>

> Oh spare me with the innocent, defenseless out cry. she's 15 not 5. A 5

year old wouldn't he able to defend themselves but a 15 year old can. at

least enough to make marks or cause injury to back her story up!

>

> Walks Alone wrote:Are you serious!?! I sure

hope not... This CHILD was probably scared out of her mind. The way I read

it, she couldn't even speak to say yes or no. Fear is a very very powerful

weapon. And I can tell you that girls are brought up to be " nice " and to be

respectful, and cooperative. Also, girls aren't natural fighters like boys

are. She wouldn't have known how to defend herself, even if she had wanted

to. You weren't there, you don't know how they likely intimidated her, and

probably made her believe, through actions or words, that there was no

escape, there was no help, and that she'd get hurt if she resisted. Heck

they probably had both the doors blocked in the unit, she couldn't have

gotten away if she tried. It has nothing to do with her being in the

Explorers. And yes, the Explorers are technically run by the " Boy Scouts "

but it's a separate entity that has accepted girls into it's programs for

years. Look at their " Mission &

> Vision " page here:

> http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s=mc & c=mv The whole focus of their

mission is to turn out " good " kids. They don't teach confrontation. Also

notice that one of the " Scout Laws " is that a scout is " Obedient " . She's a

KID... naive to the ways of adults, and especially street-hardened adults

like ourselves. Put yourself in her position for a moment, not with the

knowledge you have, as an adult man, but with the knowledge and experience

of a 15 year old girl. She was afraid, she was raped, and she was still

trying to be " good " like she was supposed to be. It took a lot of courage

for her to come forward with it at all. Check out the actual data below.

It's attitudes like yours that promote the image that girls " want it " and

that rape isn't a big deal. Could you look your wife, or sister, or mom, or

daughter in the eye and say that? I sure hope not.

> -WalksAlone

>

> The FBI estimates that only 37% of all rapes are reported to the police.

U.S. Justice Department statistics are even lower, with only 26% of all

rapes or attempted rapes being reported to law enforcement officials.

>

> Data from the National Women's Study, a longitudinal telephone survey of a

national household probability sample of women at least 18 years of age,

show 683,000 women forcibly raped each year and that 84% of rape victims did

not report the offense to the police.

>

> Using Uniform Crime Report data for 1994 and 1995, the Bureau of Justice

Statistics found that of rape victims who reported the offense to law

enforcement, about 40% were under the age of 18, and 15% were younger than

12.4

> Randy wrote:

> Yes, What he did was wrong. BUT, I have a problem with her testimony that

said " I knew it was going to happen so I just nodded my head. " Are you going

to tell me that a 15 year old who is apparently in the " Boy " Scouts and

understands a little bit about EMS can't get out and run for help or call

911 from her cell phone which I'm sure she probably had one. Nothing that

I've read has indicated that she was forced to stay in the back of the

ambulance or that she was held down. Sometimes I believe that age is the

only victim not the people.

>

> Bledsoe wrote:Posted on Fri, Jan. 14, 2005

>

>

>

>

>

>

<BLOCKED::http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/dfw.news/local;kw=center6;c2=local;

> c3=local_homepage;pos=center6;group=rectangle;ord=1105744082746?>

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>

>

> Ex-Medstar EMT gets 6 years in rape

>

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

> By Melody Mc

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

> Star-Telegram Staff Writer

> <BLOCKED::http://www.dfw.com/images/common/spacer.gif>

>

> FORT WORTH - After almost 10 hours of deliberations, jurors Friday

sentenced

> a former MedStar emergency medical technician to six years in prison for

> sexually assaulting a 15-year-old girl in the back of an ambulance.

>

>

> After the verdict was read, the victim's mother took the witness stand and

> addressed 29-year-old , who had worked for

MedStar

> 14 months.

>

>

>

> " This city trusted you, we trusted you, to be there to care for victims --

> not to create them, " she said, sobbing. The woman told about the

> devastation he had caused her daughter, who had dreams of becoming a

> paramedic and was a participant in MedStar's Explorer program.

>

>

>

> " When she was 3 or 4, her favorite show was Rescue 911, " the woman said.

" I

> don't know how she will ever be able to look at a medical career without

> these painful memories.

>

>

>

> " Another of her goals was to save herself for marriage. But you took that

> choice away from her before she could make that for herself. " During the

> three-day trial, the girl, now 16, told jurors that she was riding with

> and Neal Barash, 37, a paramedic, when the assaults

occurred

> in the early morning hours of Dec. 29, 2003.

>

>

>

> While the ambulance was parked behind a shopping center near Ridgmar Mall

> awaiting emergency calls, the men pressured her into having sex with them,

> the girl testified. The girl later told her mother, who reported it to

> police.

>

>

>

> , who earlier this week pleaded guilty to three counts of sexual

> assault of a child under 17, faced anywhere from probation to 20 years in

> prison. Prosecutor Dixie Bersano, a Tarrant County assistant district

> attorney, asked jurros to sentence him to nothing less than eight years,

> saying he violated the community's trust and manipulated a young girl.

>

>

>

> Defense attorneys Roxanne and Jack Duffy argued for probation,

> calling the sex " consensual " and saying was a good man who had

never

> been in trouble before.

>

>

>

> After deliberating Thursday and Friday, the jury sentenced him to six

years

> on one count and two years on the other two counts. The sentences will run

> concurrently. must serve a minimum of three years before he is

> eligible for parole.

>

>

>

> During her victim impact statement, the girl's mother told that

her

> daughter had never been on her first date or alone with a boy her age.

>

>

>

> " She didn't have the knowledge or experience to fend you off, " she said.

> " Maybe one day, you will look into your daughter's eyes and be able to

teach

> her from experience how to protect herself from a predator like you. "

>

>

>

> Afterward, asked -- and the judge agreed -- to allow him to make a

> statment. He stood in the center of the courtoom and turned and faced the

> victim and her family, who were being comforted by his estranged wife.

>

>

>

> He apologized to all of them -- as well as his family and the city of Fort

> Worth, for the pain and embarrasment he has caused and for violating their

> trust.

>

>

>

> " I broke that trust in one single act of selfishness and I apologize, " he

> said. And while jurors have decided 's fate, the implications of

what

> happened that day in the back of the ambulance are far-reaching and far

from

> over.

>

>

>

> Barash, the other defendant, remains free on bail, awaiting his trial.

>

>

>

> A civil lawsuit is pending against the ambulance company and the Boy

Scouts

> of America, which operated the Explorer Program.

>

>

>

> , the defendant's wife, has filed for divorce.

>

>

>

> During the trial, sat with the victim and her family to show

> her support for them.

>

>

>

> " Nobody should have to go through what they have been through, "

> said. " My heart, thoughts and prayers are with her and her

family. "

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I may have sounded disagreeable. I agree, Meredith. We're

agreeing in different terms...

Mike

>

> Thanks for the book recommendations, Mike. I do read lot's of different

stuff, so I'm sure I'll find one or

> both of them interesting. But the point I was trying to make, even an adult

can be intimidated into being

> compliant. And there were two men. Most woman wouldn't stand much of a chance

against 2 men in the back of an ambulance. And many won't fight back for fear

of being further injured, and that is a legitimate concern.

> Meredith

> Re: Sad Day for EMS and a 16-year old

>

> > You still don't get it.....it is not about age. If she had been 18, or 21

or 40, it still would have

> > been rape.

> > Though it's possible these cowards wouldn't have tried it with an older

female. On the other

> > hand.....if you are capable of rape, you are capable of rape.

>

> *********************

> Actually, at 18, 21, or 40, it would have been arguable, at least,

> that it's not rape. And 18 year old, 21 year old, or 40 year old

> would have been progressively more capable of recognizing the

> psychodynamics of the situation and getting out of it... and

> physically more capable of fighting, should the need have arisen.

> Regardless of how their lawyers could have argued the case, the

> ethical dilemna remains - even if it's consentual, is it ethical,

> especially with what's effectively a student whom you're in

> supervision of?

>

> For what it's worth, everyone among us is CAPABLE of rape. If you can

> imagine it, no matter how it horrifies you to do so, you're at the

> very least CAPABLE of performing the act.

>

> If you'd like more insight into this, I'd suggest two books:

>

> The Gift of Fear, by Gavin DeBecker

>

> and

>

> On Killing, by Lt. Col. Grossman (ret.)

>

> Both explain a lot about how the mind works in fearful scenarios, and

> the mental coping tools we use to justify our actions in a variety of

> circumstances.

>

> Mike

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I may have sounded disagreeable. I agree, Meredith. We're

agreeing in different terms...

Mike

>

> Thanks for the book recommendations, Mike. I do read lot's of different

stuff, so I'm sure I'll find one or

> both of them interesting. But the point I was trying to make, even an adult

can be intimidated into being

> compliant. And there were two men. Most woman wouldn't stand much of a chance

against 2 men in the back of an ambulance. And many won't fight back for fear

of being further injured, and that is a legitimate concern.

> Meredith

> Re: Sad Day for EMS and a 16-year old

>

> > You still don't get it.....it is not about age. If she had been 18, or 21

or 40, it still would have

> > been rape.

> > Though it's possible these cowards wouldn't have tried it with an older

female. On the other

> > hand.....if you are capable of rape, you are capable of rape.

>

> *********************

> Actually, at 18, 21, or 40, it would have been arguable, at least,

> that it's not rape. And 18 year old, 21 year old, or 40 year old

> would have been progressively more capable of recognizing the

> psychodynamics of the situation and getting out of it... and

> physically more capable of fighting, should the need have arisen.

> Regardless of how their lawyers could have argued the case, the

> ethical dilemna remains - even if it's consentual, is it ethical,

> especially with what's effectively a student whom you're in

> supervision of?

>

> For what it's worth, everyone among us is CAPABLE of rape. If you can

> imagine it, no matter how it horrifies you to do so, you're at the

> very least CAPABLE of performing the act.

>

> If you'd like more insight into this, I'd suggest two books:

>

> The Gift of Fear, by Gavin DeBecker

>

> and

>

> On Killing, by Lt. Col. Grossman (ret.)

>

> Both explain a lot about how the mind works in fearful scenarios, and

> the mental coping tools we use to justify our actions in a variety of

> circumstances.

>

> Mike

>

>