AED

September 17, 2004

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/09/16/home.defibrillator.ap/index.html

SOunds like a good idea..........I just wonder how long it will be before

someone fails to call 911 because they think they can save someone.....

AED

> Well I saw in the paper that the AED's are availble to anyone without

> a prescription. Hope ya'll are ready!!!

>

September 17, 2004

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/09/16/home.defibrillator.ap/index.html

SOunds like a good idea..........I just wonder how long it will be before

someone fails to call 911 because they think they can save someone.....

AED

> Well I saw in the paper that the AED's are availble to anyone without

> a prescription. Hope ya'll are ready!!!

>

September 17, 2004

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/09/16/home.defibrillator.ap/index.html

SOunds like a good idea..........I just wonder how long it will be before

someone fails to call 911 because they think they can save someone.....

AED

> Well I saw in the paper that the AED's are availble to anyone without

> a prescription. Hope ya'll are ready!!!

>

September 17, 2004

> Just because you

> have a smoke detector doesn't mean you won't call the FD when you

> have a fire.

Wrong analogy.

Just because you have a fire extinguisher, you might try to put it out

with the extinguisher without calling the FD, or you might call the FD

and use the extinguisher as a stopgap. Same with AED's, though I'd

hope nobody ever " saved " someone then didn't think to call EMS...

Mike

September 17, 2004

> Just because you

> have a smoke detector doesn't mean you won't call the FD when you

> have a fire.

Wrong analogy.

Just because you have a fire extinguisher, you might try to put it out

with the extinguisher without calling the FD, or you might call the FD

and use the extinguisher as a stopgap. Same with AED's, though I'd

hope nobody ever " saved " someone then didn't think to call EMS...

Mike

September 17, 2004

Oh my god that is shocking hope they don't have a paramedic override button on

it.

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AED

Well I saw in the paper that the AED's are availble to anyone without

a prescription. Hope ya'll are ready!!!

September 17, 2004

Oh my god that is shocking hope they don't have a paramedic override button on

it.

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AED

Well I saw in the paper that the AED's are availble to anyone without

a prescription. Hope ya'll are ready!!!

September 17, 2004

Oh my god that is shocking hope they don't have a paramedic override button on

it.

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AED

Well I saw in the paper that the AED's are availble to anyone without

a prescription. Hope ya'll are ready!!!

September 17, 2004

That is shocking to me. I am retired and still own a very nice almost new AED I

was thinking about giving away maybe I should keep it and just use it on people

I like (snicker ).

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Re: AED

In a message dated 9/17/2004 9:55:11 AM Central Daylight Time,

kaozenbe@... writes:

More people surviving cardiac arrest, our numbers may finally be going up!!!!

True and I doubt we will find a way to make even that work in our favor

across the board.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

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September 17, 2004

That is shocking to me. I am retired and still own a very nice almost new AED I

was thinking about giving away maybe I should keep it and just use it on people

I like (snicker ).

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Re: AED

In a message dated 9/17/2004 9:55:11 AM Central Daylight Time,

kaozenbe@... writes:

More people surviving cardiac arrest, our numbers may finally be going up!!!!

True and I doubt we will find a way to make even that work in our favor

across the board.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Home Office)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

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September 17, 2004

That is shocking to me. I am retired and still own a very nice almost new AED I

was thinking about giving away maybe I should keep it and just use it on people

I like (snicker ).

===========================================

Re: AED

In a message dated 9/17/2004 9:55:11 AM Central Daylight Time,

kaozenbe@... writes:

More people surviving cardiac arrest, our numbers may finally be going up!!!!

True and I doubt we will find a way to make even that work in our favor

across the board.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Home Office)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

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author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization

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September 17, 2004

There are many documented cases where fires have started and occupants or

employees of the structure delayed notifying the FD because they tried, for

up to 20mins, to extinguish the fire themselves, with fire extinguishers

This is not a question of " IF " , but " WHEN " .

When people have these new fancy tools(occupant use stand pipes, fire

extinguishers, AEDs etc.), they gain a false sense of security, that they

can control the situation.

I can just imagine the thoughts going through one's head. " Don't call the

ambulance, we have the same thing they use, and it's already paid for. I

ain't gonna pay for some ambulance to come out and do what I'm going to do

here. "

So yes, I agree with you on that there NEEDS to be training that accompanies

AEDs, I don't think they should be OTC. It should be a requirement to have

CPR/AED certification to purchase them.

Red

AED

> Don't get me wrong i'm all for the AED's availble for anyone, as long

> as we can tighten the reigns on the training NEEDED for them. There

> are a few scenarios people throw out that to me are foolish. Overall

> AED's save more people than before we had them. Just because you

> have a smoke detector doesn't mean you won't call the FD when you

> have a fire.

>

> Lee

>

September 17, 2004

There are many documented cases where fires have started and occupants or

employees of the structure delayed notifying the FD because they tried, for

up to 20mins, to extinguish the fire themselves, with fire extinguishers

This is not a question of " IF " , but " WHEN " .

When people have these new fancy tools(occupant use stand pipes, fire

extinguishers, AEDs etc.), they gain a false sense of security, that they

can control the situation.

I can just imagine the thoughts going through one's head. " Don't call the

ambulance, we have the same thing they use, and it's already paid for. I

ain't gonna pay for some ambulance to come out and do what I'm going to do

here. "

So yes, I agree with you on that there NEEDS to be training that accompanies

AEDs, I don't think they should be OTC. It should be a requirement to have

CPR/AED certification to purchase them.

Red

AED

> Don't get me wrong i'm all for the AED's availble for anyone, as long

> as we can tighten the reigns on the training NEEDED for them. There

> are a few scenarios people throw out that to me are foolish. Overall

> AED's save more people than before we had them. Just because you

> have a smoke detector doesn't mean you won't call the FD when you

> have a fire.

>

> Lee

>

September 17, 2004

There are many documented cases where fires have started and occupants or

employees of the structure delayed notifying the FD because they tried, for

up to 20mins, to extinguish the fire themselves, with fire extinguishers

This is not a question of " IF " , but " WHEN " .

When people have these new fancy tools(occupant use stand pipes, fire

extinguishers, AEDs etc.), they gain a false sense of security, that they

can control the situation.

I can just imagine the thoughts going through one's head. " Don't call the

ambulance, we have the same thing they use, and it's already paid for. I

ain't gonna pay for some ambulance to come out and do what I'm going to do

here. "

So yes, I agree with you on that there NEEDS to be training that accompanies

AEDs, I don't think they should be OTC. It should be a requirement to have

CPR/AED certification to purchase them.

Red

AED

> Don't get me wrong i'm all for the AED's availble for anyone, as long

> as we can tighten the reigns on the training NEEDED for them. There

> are a few scenarios people throw out that to me are foolish. Overall

> AED's save more people than before we had them. Just because you

> have a smoke detector doesn't mean you won't call the FD when you

> have a fire.

>

> Lee

>

September 17, 2004

So far, it's only one model from one manufacturer that has this approval

for home use. They have to apply for each model separately. so it's

Home model that is approved at this time.

But, this really isn't a big deal probably. That prescription wasn't

doing much in this case anyway. It's not less controlled now really.

=Steve=

bfd296 wrote:

>Well I saw in the paper that the AED's are availble to anyone without

>a prescription. Hope ya'll are ready!!!

>

September 17, 2004

So far, it's only one model from one manufacturer that has this approval

for home use. They have to apply for each model separately. so it's

Home model that is approved at this time.

But, this really isn't a big deal probably. That prescription wasn't

doing much in this case anyway. It's not less controlled now really.

=Steve=

bfd296 wrote:

>Well I saw in the paper that the AED's are availble to anyone without

>a prescription. Hope ya'll are ready!!!

>

September 17, 2004

So far, it's only one model from one manufacturer that has this approval

for home use. They have to apply for each model separately. so it's

Home model that is approved at this time.

But, this really isn't a big deal probably. That prescription wasn't

doing much in this case anyway. It's not less controlled now really.

=Steve=

bfd296 wrote:

>Well I saw in the paper that the AED's are availble to anyone without

>a prescription. Hope ya'll are ready!!!

>

September 17, 2004

" Red " <fire@f...> wrote:

>

> I can just imagine the thoughts going through one's head. " Don't

call the

> ambulance, we have the same thing they use, and it's already paid

for. I

> ain't gonna pay for some ambulance to come out and do what I'm going

to do

> here. "

Hold it... you're suggesting that some citizens might worry about

having to pay their ambulance bill? Can't say I have ever encountered

that in 30 years.

Rob

September 17, 2004

" Red " <fire@f...> wrote:

>

> I can just imagine the thoughts going through one's head. " Don't

call the

> ambulance, we have the same thing they use, and it's already paid

for. I

> ain't gonna pay for some ambulance to come out and do what I'm going

to do

> here. "

Hold it... you're suggesting that some citizens might worry about

having to pay their ambulance bill? Can't say I have ever encountered

that in 30 years.

Rob

September 17, 2004

I've had it happen, people refused transport because they didn't want the

bill.....but then again there's always the ones who WANT transport because

" they will get to see a DR faster "

was just a thought. my biggest concern is the fact that it will delay

notification of EMS....a situation where they call 911 after 5 or 6 shocks.

Re: AED

>

> " Red " <fire@f...> wrote:

>>

>> I can just imagine the thoughts going through one's head. " Don't

> call the

>> ambulance, we have the same thing they use, and it's already paid

> for. I

>> ain't gonna pay for some ambulance to come out and do what I'm going

> to do

>> here. "

>

> Hold it... you're suggesting that some citizens might worry about

> having to pay their ambulance bill? Can't say I have ever encountered

> that in 30 years.

>

> Rob

>

September 17, 2004

I've had it happen, people refused transport because they didn't want the

bill.....but then again there's always the ones who WANT transport because

" they will get to see a DR faster "

was just a thought. my biggest concern is the fact that it will delay

notification of EMS....a situation where they call 911 after 5 or 6 shocks.

Re: AED

>

> " Red " <fire@f...> wrote:

>>

>> I can just imagine the thoughts going through one's head. " Don't

> call the

>> ambulance, we have the same thing they use, and it's already paid

> for. I

>> ain't gonna pay for some ambulance to come out and do what I'm going

> to do

>> here. "

>

> Hold it... you're suggesting that some citizens might worry about

> having to pay their ambulance bill? Can't say I have ever encountered

> that in 30 years.

>

> Rob

>

September 17, 2004

I've had it happen, people refused transport because they didn't want the

bill.....but then again there's always the ones who WANT transport because

" they will get to see a DR faster "

was just a thought. my biggest concern is the fact that it will delay

notification of EMS....a situation where they call 911 after 5 or 6 shocks.

Re: AED

>

> " Red " <fire@f...> wrote:

>>

>> I can just imagine the thoughts going through one's head. " Don't

> call the

>> ambulance, we have the same thing they use, and it's already paid

> for. I

>> ain't gonna pay for some ambulance to come out and do what I'm going

> to do

>> here. "

>

> Hold it... you're suggesting that some citizens might worry about

> having to pay their ambulance bill? Can't say I have ever encountered

> that in 30 years.

>

> Rob

>

September 17, 2004

Just about anyone without insurance worries about paying an ambulance

bill. Not all ambulance services are through fire departments, no matter

how much most fire departments would like to have it that way, and no

ambulance trip is cheap if it's through a private company that isn't

subsidized by a city or county. I am all for private ambulance services and

feel that all EMS should be in the hands of private companies, however, I

also realize that, until this country is covered by some kind of socialized

medical insurance, people are going to delay calling for ambulances and

are going to worry about how they are going to pay the bill.

Carol

EMT-B-Texas

EMT-1 MVEMSA, CA

> Hold it... you're suggesting that some citizens might worry about

> having to pay their ambulance bill? Can't say I have ever encountered

> that in 30 years.

>

> Rob

>

September 17, 2004